first for Kikiri Club
CMLL Family Sunday card:CUADRANGULAR CON ESTRELLAS DEL CMLL Y AEWNEÓN VS EL CLON VS ESFINGE VS DANIEL GARCÍALOS HERMANOS CHÁVEZ (ÁNGEL DE ORO Y NIEBLA ROJA)VSLOS INFERNALES (EUFORIA Y MEPHISTO)STAR JR., STAR BLACK Y DARK PANTHERVSLAS BESTIAS DEL DIABLO (AKUMA Y LOS GEMELOS DIABLO)MAGIA BLANCA Y EXPLOSIVOVSGUERRERO MAYA JR. Y EL COBARDESKADI Y AKARIVSDARK SILUETA Y METÁLICAEL PEQUEÑO SKY TEAM (ANGELITO, KALIGUA Y PEQUEÑO MAGIA)VSLOS METALES EXPLOSIVOS (FULL METAL, PEQUEÑO PÓLVORA Y ROSTRO DE ACERO)
>>19897230https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zTqQ0PYVHY
PAPI RICO
>>19897226is there any kind of software that will translate CMLL shows for me? I am not going to learn spanish now or ever.
Press F for mini putito
>>19897240youtube has an auto-translate feature
>>19897247true but it doesn't work very well at all, hence why I would like to find something else. I like CMLL and would be willing to support it, but I gotta be able to understand whats going on.
>>19897240>>19897276The CMLL commentators are genuinely hilarious. There's no point in using automatic subtitles or anything like that because you'll miss most of what they say and the expressions they use anyway. They need to hire english-speaking commentators, but since they're doing so well in Mexico, they're not really interested in expanding beyond that.Is this a serious mistake by CMLL that is costing them a lot of money? Yes, but that's fine by them. It couldn't be more BASED.I too would hope they internationalize and hire good english commentators, but for now, if you're looking to watch good lucha libre, simply watching what happens in the ring should be enough.
>>19897304the matches are good, often extremely good, but there is a limit to how much I can enjoy the matches without understanding any of the stories behind them.
First for tabita
Fun looking iwrg card tonight, free on youtube as always!
>>19897334Forgot pic
>>19897339these shows are pretty comfy
>>19897317Yes, I understand that, and you're not the first to ask for english commentators. That's a plea that's been in the CMLL video comments for years. The hard truth is this:The Lutteroth family, owners of CMLL and all its arenas, is an extremely wealthy family with many highly successful businesses.They're in box and baseball too, and they even have their own baseball stadium. They own a part of Carl's Jr. among many other things. And although Mr. Salvador Lutteroth III is a good person and is at Arena Mexico every friday making sure everything is running smoothly, for them CMLL is just another company.It's a company that's generating very good profits as it is, which is why it's so difficult for them to make changes because they're already making too much money this way.(will continue)
>>19897317>>19897388(continue)And since they also have to manage many other businesses, no one is really interested in giving CMLL any extra attention. That's why the Lutteroths rely so heavily on their team, which is made up of a small group of loyal employees (former wrestlers) who are very used to the old way of doing things and have no plans to change or expand because that could jeopardize their management positions by opening the Lutteroths' eyes to what's out there outside of Mexico and all the possibilities it offers. Let's just say their team is both too efficient and too mediocre at the same time. They work well doing what they do, but they have no plans to modernize or hire anyone who could tell them what they need to do to grow outside of Mexico. Let's just say they're people who take good care of the Lutteroth family's business, but who also abuse it and their trust to secure their own jobs. And since Mr. Salvador Lutteroth is a good guy, and sees that CMLL generates good profits, he doesn't see anything wrong with it nor suspect that he could expand his empire even further because, besides, he doesn't need to, since he's really a very simple man who's rolling in money.That's what makes CMLL's internationalization complicated and why they're not planning to hire english-speaking commentators (at least not soon). There're some outdated and abusive people, but they have the Lutteroth family's full confidence because of their good results, protecting their own jobs by hiring more efficient people than themselves.
Grimcha Grimbre
ESTO ES LUCHA ESTO ES LUCHA!!
>>19897455*****
luchabros tell me if this is correct for what airs weekly:CMLL (youtube.com/@VideosOficialesCMLL)>Martes de Arena México (Tuesday @ 7:30pm) ($8.99 tier)>CMLL Informa (Wednesday @ 4:00pm) (Free)*>Viernes Espectacular (Friday @ 8:30pm) ($24.99 tier)>Sábado de Arena Coliseo (Saturday @ 7:30pm) ($34.99 tier)AAA (youtube.com/@luchalibreaaatv)>Lucha Libre AAA (Saturday @ 9:00pm EST) (Free)IWRG (youtube.com/@iwrgtv)>Revolucionando (Monday @ 5:00pm) (Free)*>Thursday Night Wrestling (Thursday @ 8:15pm) (Free)>Súper Domingo IWRG (Sunday @ 4:45pm) (Free)*News/Interviews
>>19897577Looks rightCMLL Guadalajara shows air on a few day tape delay for free if I'm not mistaken
>>19897577perfect for watching after JCW
>>19897388>baseball tooI'll make ya a deal, Lutteroth: MLB sucks dick so bundle your lucha libre with some Mexican beisbol and I'll pay extra
I'd really want to see a Samoan family tree type of spreadsheet about who the fuck is related to who in the Lucha/Mask scene and their aliases too. Bet that shit looks like a schizo wall. Mistico alone involves several characters and people behind them
>>19897963Same here, I imagine there is a lot of gatekeeping to break into the bigger promotions. Even feel that way more after reading >>19897392
>>19897577CMLL (youtube.com/@VideosOficialesCMLL)>Martes de Arena México (Tuesday @ 7:30pm) ($8.99 tier)>CMLL Informa (Wednesday @ 4:00pm) (Free)*>Viernes Espectacular (Friday @ 8:30pm) ($24.99 tier)>Sábado de Arena Coliseo (Saturday @ 7:30pm) ($34.99 tier)What's the difference between the different shows? Saturday is the flagship?
>>19897986On Saturday the show is not at Arena Mexico, but at a smaller and perhaps somewhat more 'underground' arena, but also very traditional: The Arena ColiseoIt's known for being the arena with the most demanding and knowledgeable lucha crowd. It's an even more niche show for a more special audience that doesn't forgive a single mistake.Although friday is the biggest and most important show of the week, saturday's show is like 'La Crème de La Crème de La Crème'
>>19897334>>19897339livehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82l_dRKRm8c
>>19898058I started a new thread for that, so as not to derail this one, which is about lucha in general. Let's see if more pigs join in.>>19898080
>>19898195
>>19898195>>19898199now that's a Chilean baddie. Steph Vaq is the subhuman and does not represent Chilenas.
>>19898202there is something about her
>>19898210
This lady is pretty fantastic now that she doesn't look like she lives in a crossfit gym. She got potential.
>>19898238Why, is she that poor?
>>19898250No, like she spend too much time there training. She was ripped af
>>19898259Not as much as mighty mommy Olympia.
good lucha things
I will be at this show in March
Hopefully the resident Hogwheels tier CMLL schizo doesn't ruin the generalHell he is probably wheels in disguise
>>19898655spot looked kinda gay but at least it was funny
>>19898655please don't start
There's +Lucha they host indies on youtube they hosts 3 times per week when the business is goodThey hosted the Carlito vs Andrade title match a week ago and they are live right nowLivehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCadJEsnoSoCarlito VS Andrade title eventhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-xl7rYDpx4
>>19898708meant for >>19897577
>>19897577The crash is a monthly indie showhttps://www.youtube.com/@TheCrashLuchaLibre/videos
>>19898763she's more than 10 years older right? Like he was 12 at the top and she has to be 23
>>19898805Both are the same age according to wikipedia
Everybody moved to this stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCadJEsnoSo
Lady Maravilla is at my local indie. I will be going
>>19898888Cool!She's super nice and friendly so make sure to get a photo with her
more like Sexx & Destroy
>>19898888lucky
Good Brothers defending The Crash tag tiles today in Appalachian Mountain Wrestling, will air on Tuesday https://x.com/AMWprowrestling/status/2021663592366375005https://www.youtube.com/@appalachianmountainwrestling/featured
>>19897226Illuminati is another hotdog handshake promotion that hosts weird stuff every sunday they even have kids wrestling, weird stuffhttps://www.youtube.com/@ILUMINATISPROMOTIONLUCHALIBREI/streamsNot my kemonito
>>19897577>>19898952
>>19898470Luv Sagittarius
>>19897577CMLL airs on the Televisa Puebla youtube channel at 9PM on Sundays and like 6PM on Tuesdays. It airs 3 matches from the Monday Puebla show.
I like how they just let people hang around the ring
>>19897963I believe this Parka is related to Psycho Clown in some way, and he’s also dating la Hiedra, who is the daughter of Sangre Chicana, so their child will be like joining two royal houses
>>19898645Kek same
>>19897226Love to see it. This is how it should be lucha bros, united. Leave that console war shit to the gringos
Sanely
WWE’s AAA show schedule:>02.21.26 - AAA on FOX ep. 6 (taped 02.07.26)El Hijo de Dr. Wagner Jr. vs. BelcegorAAA World Cruiserweight TitleLaredo Kid (c) vs. TJ PerkinsAbismo Negro Jr. vs. El Fiscal>02.28.26 - AAA on FOX ep. 7No matches announced but taping for episode 8 too>03.14.26 - AAA Rey De Reyes 2026AAA Mega TitleDominik Mysterio (c) vs. El Hijo del VikingoPlus more including taping three additional TV episodes>04.11.26 - AAA on FOX taping>05.02.26 - AAA on FOX taping
>>19897388>>19897392I agree with the overall sentiment but "CMLL can't be assed to be make its product more accesible via english commentary" is also outright tragic considering how desperate they seem to be to adopt AEW wrestling rules. Making the product shittier for a public they can't even reach.
>>19899480InSanely cute
I was at CMLL for the Feb 13 show and its was the loudest and most engaged crowd I’ve ever experienced.
>>19899805
>>19899805nice
for me is El Torneo de Escuelas
>>19898290ripped as af, in that gankly, "crushing my ovaries", way crossfit psychos do it
>Satanico will retire in Homenaje a 2 Leyendas>Capitan Suicida and Flip Gordon have been wrestling in India this weekend
>>19899259We just need to no-sell the CMLL schizo the one that writes essays and we will be fine
>>19899685InSanely-o' cute
>>19900223You guys are on the right track. I'll promise to do my best to ignore flaming for this general, let's have one good neutral thread on this site and press hide when needed instead of replying. Rule #1 We don't talk about the console war Rule #2 We don't talk about the console war
el hijo santo (innovator of modern lucha) retired the same time as cena & tanahashi. https://youtu.be/eg8aoz6K3tY
oh wait, we can't talk about CMLLenjoy your thread
>>19899117i miss when guadalajara streamed on tuesdays
>>19899242I guess it would have to be some sort of through line with Mask's lineages and off brands going vertical and personal family relations somehow being connected with lines
What are the weirdest/strangest lucha gimmicks?
2/17 Arena México poster
>>19897324Thread needs more of this and Hiedra ass
>>19900508Furia Roja is fine, but I really miss Zandokan.
>>19899588You can't call AAA "lucha" anymore if 85% of its roster is WWE crap. And the few mexican luchadores they have are trash. What WWE fans who claim to love AAA are currently watching is not AAA, but WWE (in a cheap version with some mexican shitters as guests). AAA's style is now WWE style, but a cheap version. The crowds that go to AAA shows are no longer AAA fans, but mexican WWE fans who think they're watching a cheap version of RAW.The real AAA was still great 10 years ago when it started to die, but what people know as AAA today has nothing to do with AAA.
>>19898655>>19900223No, you just want free rein to come and tell your lies and sow your tares like the good pork you are, without anyone correcting you or exposing you. You want to come here and talk shit about mexican lucha undercover when you're just a disgusting pork obsessed with WWE. You want to come here and spout nonsense to harm CMLL and enhance WWE through AAA without being answered or being ridiculed with arguments. I didn't see you in the IWRG thread yesterday. KYS, please.
>>19900508>Gisele ShawI thought Mexico only had the comedy trannies like Pimpernela?
>>19900508Is this the first time MLP and CMLL work together?
>>19899591CMLL isn't desperate; they've been allied with AEW for almost three years and are still using the two-out-of-three falls format. Just last week they only offered one-fall matches, and that was because the luchadores who were going to Japan had to leave early and without too much exertion.CMLL has been allied with AEW for almost three years, and absolutely nothing has changed except when AEW wrestlers come in as challengers and the matches are single-fall. This is because AEW wrestlers also go to CMLL to adapt to the CMLL style. That's what a cooperative partnership or alliance is all about. As long as Jose Luis Feliciano is in charge, nothing will change. Just look at him, does he seem like someone who wants to modernize or someone who intends to lose his job to please some fat foreign pig? CMLL has had long-standing alliances with NJPW, ROH, and other companies, and nothing ever changed. And if AEW hasn't changed anything in three years, then you're just talking nonsense and caricaturing CMLL as if it's desperately begging for help when the reality is it doesn't need it because, proportionally, it sells more tickets than WWE.
>>19900428Currently, Wisin the dog(some say it's Will O'Preay in disguise)
>>19900831>>19900845I don't recall CMLL and MLP ever working together before (I think not), but it seems like something is cooking...
>>19900864The AEW deal gets CMLL some extra talent to play with for shows and their talent taking those double contracts means Tony can pay them and CMLL won't be at risk of losing them to AAA who can tap into WWE money.
>>19900972>Rush>Dragon Lee>DMT Azul>Sanson, Cuatrero, Forastero>Vaquer>Sam Adonis>Dalys>Metalik>many moreThey all left CMLL, and CMLL continued operating and producing more and more and more stars, and nothing happened.It's obvious they're not going to give their talent away to WWE. Not just anyone gets into CMLL training, and in fact, their training is secret (I don't know if you know that). There's a reason it's the best wrestling/lucha school in the world.CMLL and AEW simply don't tolerate dirty tricks. If you think playing dirty is a virtue, it's not. Also, ask Jorge how happy he is at AAA...
>>19901003>DalysAddition by subtraction right there
>>19901007Absolutely, that locker room is much better without her.
>>19900864>Just last week they only offered one-fall matches, and that was because the luchadores who were going to Japan had to leave early and without too much exertion.The MxM TV matches were formatted entirely like AEW matches, what was the excuse there? Hell, we even had them actively interfere with the referee to avoid stop her from counting and that's supposed to be an instant DQ.And CMLL is perfectly able of spreading out the talent staying behind to avoid overworking the guys leaving: Both Chávez, Galeón Fantasma, Xelhua by this point, Neón, are all top carders - just give them extra days.
>>19900428Maybe not that strange but I was howling with laughter when I found out this was a thing
>>19901022>1 comedic match vs 965,165,196,516 serious matches in the traditional CMLL style.You're right, great argument, you've destroyed CMLL, you must be happy now...
>>19901023They're great and people love them. The problem is that when you do something well, others start copying the concept, and suddenly there are too many people doing the same thing.
>>19900781Oh yeah, my favorite WWE talents Abismo Negro and Fiscal. Shut the fuck up, faggot. You just want to console war
>>19901042>1 comedic matchYou do realize that booking guys like Galeón Fantasma and the Chávez against a comedy act and have them lose (Galeón) and talk them up like very difficult opponents (Chávez) only makes your local guys look godawful, right? And what's the point of letting foreign heels get away with things you don't let your own heels do? There's a point to these rules, you can't tell me we're supposed to believe MxM are particularly heat-worthy as opposed to all the other AEW people that have visited.
>>19901023>>19901049And the worst part is that they all keep making it worse and worse each time.
>>19900508>Neón, Blue Panther, & Esfinge vs El Galeón Fantasma (Difunto, Barboza, & Furia Roja)>Batalla campal de parejas del Torneo de Escuelas 2026 para definir los duelos de eliminación directa: Kimba & Tenochca; Dominio & Cerebro Negro Jr.; Estudiante Jr. & Feroz; Karma I & Camaleón Jr.; Magnético & Diamante Escarlata; Tornado & Rey Pegasus; Conquistador & Divino Dragón; Makarà & Black Warrior Jr.; Konjuro & Sombra Diàbolika Jr.; Pantera Jr. & Psycotic; Engendro & Jay Ortega; Prometeo & King Rex>Cuadrangular de parejas: Max Star & Hombre Bala Jr. vs Calavera Jr. I & Calavera Jr. II vs Virus & Cancerbero vs Pólvora & El Coyote>Por el Campeonato Femenil Maple Leaf Pro Wrestling (MLP): Gisele Shaw (c) vs Sanely>Match Relámpago: Fuego vs Robin
>>19901023>>19901049>>19901055And then more and more crap...
For me it's Homero Simpson
>>19901051SHUT UP, LARPER BITCH!You don't even know who the hell the great Abismo Negro was!
>>19901053>1 comedic match vs 965,165,196,516 serious matches in the traditional CMLL style.You're right, great argument, you've destroyed CMLL, you must be happy now...
>>19901073Only after them
>>19901107> 1 comedic matchSo... you don't watch or attend the product, or what? Because it wasn't just 1 match.
Fantasy gimmicks are a whole genre in MexicoTrio Fantasia were pretty popular
>>19901123I hate to sound like a console warrior but AEW fans do this every time someone complains about AEW wrestlers showing up to their promotion and making it like AEW. They did it to TNA and AAA fans too
>>19901385I don't think it's inherently bad: Claudio has been doing a very good job and going against him was an amazing showcase for Xelhua, last Saturday's El Clon vs Ángel de Oro was very good. Same with MJF, nobody will say he didn't kill it in his feud with Místico.The issue is that nothing about their participation requires CMLL to change the match structure for it to work, and CMLL has a million mid carders who would benefit from US exposure even if to job. Top CMLL talent should be facing top AEW talent, or the difference should be serving the home turf narratively.
>>19901049>>19901055>>19901067OK, the rhino/dog that's bit sad actually, it's too much of TEMU version. But Kiss-themed Ducks... that's got something even if it's dumb as hell, it's trying...Not vibin' with them ice cream cones and baseball guys though. It's d-tier villain in some superhero shonen vibes - One punch man joke of the week. If you gonna do that it tells me you ain't even trying to get over or be remembered, you just want to wear a costume. You don't even want to stand out in your own group.
Well.Daniel García is facing Black Star tomorrow.Lately the international matches have been more varied
Patos Locos = Vatos Locos parody
>>19900781>it's bad because it's different now and not true "lucha"Jokingly paraphrasing of course. I'm not gonna argue with you about your taste, I just don't get the attitude. As a rhetorical question: Why you want to gatekeep this on a board on the one thread everyone else don't want pointless console war bullshit on? We all autistic typing anything here but that's super autistic, there is no reward if it's "/lucha/" or a "/lucha* (*that isn't real lucha just lucha adjecent according to one guy)". You can, you should choose to not engage in that side if it's not for you and focus on what you like friendo. I could not give two shits about AEW in the current year - CMLL doing business with them however is inconsequential to me if CMLL talent can put on a good show and especially not for this thread. On the business side, it didn't make sense for AAA to be your narrow definition of Lucha either, they are aiming for global market, changes must happen because being a direct competitor for CMLL didn't work for Peñas, they were broke. When you stuck with a partner like TKO that wants to merge your product into theirs, you change up for better or worse depending on who you ask so you can be integrated for the other programming, and it's going pretty well for them so far - how this makes them less "real lucha" I don't get. Nearly every mofo under a mask at some point hoped to be in WWE because it's the big bucks and big fame stage - even your precious 'Sin Cara' adopted some the style while there before turning to the "true", does that make him less true lucha by your definition? I don't think so nor should it. Let's just cool the jets and enjoy the damn thing, stop splitting hairs for nothing.
In better conversation about AAA, I did like the video package explaining the Abismo Negro Jr vs El Fiscal feud for new watchers. I hope they continue that to explain other longstanding feuds. Like Pagano acting shady probably doesn't mean a lot to the new viewers if they don't know that he used to hate Psycho Clown
>>19900781aaa was running the same style shows featuring aew talent for years, nobody complained. aaa was doing summer tours with nwa, nobody complained. aaa has been working with tna for a decade, nobody complained. wwe comes in and moves the hard cam so the video billboard isn't in every shot.
>>19901873Love Reyna's sexy body
>>19902029Bro they had Psycho Circus go over the WWE tag champs with the help of fucking Sagrada and Pimpi and act like WWE is just making that show NXT Mexico. It's retarded
too many of these luchadoras don't have active twitter accounts
>>19902071Most are very active on insta at least
>>19902061Psycho circus didn't say no when presented this idea. Nor did Pimpi. Nor did the Wyatts. Nor did Sagrada. Did you ever think about their feelings?
>>19902194No I meant it's a good thing. People cried that WWE was just going to turn AAA into another NXT but the luchadors have been presented as strong against WWE talent
>>19902405Pardon me, I read into that wrong. I shouldn't interjected myself into that convo.
>>19901941>>19902029You never knew AAA; you knew WWE trying to be AAA with what WWE thinks AAA fans like, but which only appeals to third-world WWE fans: memes. That's why AAA fans no longer go to AAA shows, which are now attended by mexican WWE fans who think they're watching a mexican version of RAW.If that's AAA, why don't AAA fans go to AAA shows anymore, while mexican WWE fans do? How can AAA be AAA whose roster is 85% WWE's leftovers and is being run by WWE people who never understood what AAA was and think AAA is just a cheap low-quality version of WWE?I'm still waiting for an answer to that.(And no, 'Dom-Dom' and you waiting for Liv to appear in AAA so you can jerk off imagining them having sex is NOT enjoying and 'loving AAA')
>>19901123>>19901385I myself can tell you and list a lot of crap about CMLL and the bad things they've done.For example:>They have hijacked the national championships>They control the lucha commission (which is also useless, not legally constituted, and has no federal powers; it only serves to add realism to this spectacle, but that's not very healthy either)>They boycotted 'Liga Elite,' a company associated with them to whom they rented Arena Mexico. Since Liga Elite began to outperform CMLL and do things a lot better, they decided to terminate the agreement and obstruct its operations to destroy it>When they gave creative power to Ultimo Guerrero, it was one of their worst periods, and even loyal CMLL fans hated that shitty era>Alexis Salazar is a real cancer and one of the main reasons why CMLL hasn't exploded internationally or won't have english commentators anytime soon>In their stupid arrogance they let Bandido go once>They supported Vaquer's lie against Cuatrero>During the pandemic, many luchadores were left to their fate without CMLL taking any responsibility or at least showing any compassionAnd so on, but if your problem is that they allowed MxM TV to do their funny stuff in the ring, then you never knew Mr. Niebla, or Shocker and Los Guapos, or Maximo Sexy, and it seems you haven't noticed what Kemonito and Kemalito do every week either.If that's your argument, it's because you don't know shit about CMLL; because you're just a WWE cultist and a nasty porky dronie trying to talk shit out of nowhere.
>>19902587But again, what AAA fans? The ones that didn't pay the bills anymore? Chickenshitnoodlesalad that's what the rose-tint is worth.
>>19902720I'm still waiting for an answer. Stop dodging the issue and going off on a tangent.If that's AAA, why don't AAA fans go to AAA shows anymore, while mexican WWE fans do?How can AAA be AAA whose roster is 85% WWE's leftovers and is being run by WWE people who never understood what AAA was and think AAA is just a cheap low-quality version of WWE?And NOPE, you DON'T pay the bills either. That's why AAA only does one show every three weeks to record delayed TV shows, because AAA isn't profitable and even WWE doesn't plan to invest in that crap. Imagine defending something that even WWE doesn't believe in.As long as that garbage is free to watch, you'll "love AAA" (because is WWE cheap mexican version of RAW); I can assure you that you wouldn't pay to watch AAA no matter how much you "love AAA.".
>>19902587My only memory of AAA was Latin Lover showing his ass cheeks lol. By the time WWE took over tho, it looked like AAA fans had already abandoned them, and rightfully so. That shit looked like hot ass. Fat wrestlers, cartoon ass gimmicks, dogshit production. It’s time to move on tio, that old era of AAA has been dead for decades. A new one is being built from scratch to try and salvage its legacy. Why does that upset you old heads
>>19902747I think that’s because AAA’s current roster is about 30 power rangers and 30 dimeless versions of Rey Mysterio, like Laredo Kid
>>19902807You forgot about the infinite amount of pesoless clowns.
>>19902648>Vaquer's lie against Cuatreroand wit that you've outed yourself as deranged
>CMLL essay schizo is hereWelp it was fun while it lasted
>>19902831Lmao I like the clowns. Psycho Clown and Pagano are dimes, but the rest could be workshopped. Limit the stable to just one fat nigga as a comedy act, and the rest should hit the gym for starters. Also the names are lazy. Mexican clowns usually have funnier names, like Cepillin, Platanito, Brozo
>>19902772Yep, yep, yep, whatever, but then don't say you 'love AAA' and that you 'love lucha' because it's not true. You like WWE and you only like WWE, and this is a space just for LUCHA.And, by the way, my questions still haven't been answered.I also wonder why "AAA fans who love AAA" boo AAA luchadores but applaud all the WWE wrestlers. What a way to "love AAA" and "be an AAA fan." and a "lucha fan" who "loves lucha".
The boys have made it to japan
>>19900428For me personally is ELMOleroBut besides the ones anons listed also all the lucha children, Dulce Canela, Pentanilo, Michael Jackson, and every contender for the Fantasy championship in which the current champion is El Burro with his partner ShrekHell most of KAOZ promotion is weird as shitFor serious wrestlers, Wisin and Mini Vikingo mogs every strange gimmick, Wisin's head will skyrocket on mask VS mask matches
>there's a CMLL schizo and a AAA schizoJesus
>>19902923Wisin is a real dog, what the hell are you talking about man? He's a luchadog.In any case it would be mask vs fur.
>>19902913I mean I agree, that’s some malinche ass shit, and it sucks that the most over guy is EGA, a gimmick that was designed to mock us. But that’s also on the luchadores for being pesoless. It’s not the crowd’s job to get you over, it’s up to you, and the writers I guess. There’s deadass no difference between Octagon, Aerostar, Laredo Kid, or Wagner. They are in fact drawing dimes out of me tho. I’m going to this and there’s zero WWE wrestlers in it. I’m also going to splurge on merch
I never heard a word from these AAA defenders when the promotion has been absolute dogshit for the past decade but now they want to talk about how it's ruinedComical
>Massive chirpAverage weekday ahh looking card
>>19902950AAA defo was shit between 2020 to 2023 due to the COVID shit happening and them losing stars to the American crowd and indies, 2024 Origenes and pre 2019 was still good
>>19902949Good for you, man, I really hope you have fun. I just hope you notice how absurd it's (for a slop-eating busty nasty porky dronie) to say that you "love AAA" when there's hardly something of AAA left in "AAA" and how stupid it is to say that you "love LUCHA" when what you really love is WWE.
>>19902978It's been downhill since Triplemaina 23 and that's a shoot
>>19902942He lost one of his ears and his tail recently poor boi
>>19902981Barely. AAA is WWE’s best show. I only watch Raw for the latinas, and I try to watch Smackdown but I always fall asleep halfway. Idek how to watch CMLL. Should I just buy old AAA dvds then? Where should I start
>>19903000we should start a gofundme for his vet bills
>>19902953Those 2 singles matches should be great and I'm excited to see what kind of antics Ultimo and Sho get up to desu
>>19903000Anumaaa se pasaron de berga ;_;
Time for Raw
>>19902747aaa was selling out before wwe got involved. the money problems aaa have were because -1- https://www.luchatitlan.com/booking/ opened during covid and flopped-2-https://www.fightful.com/wrestling/lucha-libre-aaa-us-sues-lucha-libre-aaa-mexico/ they had to sue themselves
>>19903019AAA's best era was roughly from 2000 to 2014, when it really started to go downhill.But if you want to see something from when AAA was truly pure magic, I recommend the era of 'La Secta' and 'Los Hell Brothers'. Roughly the period from 2005 to 2008. There's a lot of material scattered around on YouTube, but back then AAA was truly funny insane and hot as hell! When AAA really had a lot of aura!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLUF6LyJBRMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV07YyUl-BQ
>>19903218Stop messing around and just answer my questions. I'm not interested in how stupid and inpet Dorian Roldan is; I already know that, and much better than you. Just answer my questions:If that's AAA, why don't AAA fans go to AAA shows anymore, while mexican WWE fans do?How can AAA be AAA when its roster is 85% WWE's leftovers and is being run by WWE people who never understood what AAA was and think AAA is just a cheap low-quality version of WWE?Why "AAA fans who love AAA" boo AAA luchadores but applaud all the WWE wrestlers. What a way to "love AAA" and "be an AAA fan." and a "lucha fan" who "loves lucha".
>>19903260mexican aaa fans are also wwe fans. it isn't complicated.
>>19903370That's not true, stop pretending you know what you don't know.Why is it so hard for you to accept the fucking truth and save us all the time?
>>19903225I appreciate the recommendations schizo bro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fuu9dEoh2M
I am attracted to Faby Apache.
>>19903611She was beautiful when she was young, my first crush...
>>19903753I still find her attractive. I love middle aged tias
post young Faby
>>19903904Best telenovela EVER!https://youtu.be/j76x6-O2ZJk?si=InyWPXbM6EpTsyg7&t=267
>>19904151cute
>>19904151>>19904267>>19904536SEXO APACHE CALIENTE
>>19904151in the jeans is that Mari holding baby Natsumi?
Why did Mari not age as gracefully
>>19904623Nope, too brown to be Natsumi. He's Marvin, Faby's son with Billy Boy. That's why she and her dad fought.>>19904638It's a big mystery, but Natsumi is pretty...
>>19904623Sorry, I just watched it again, yes it's Natsumi, she's too old (and japanese) to be Marvin
Why don’t we have more chinitas in AAA? I like this one
Anytime I see Kemonito, I imagine grabbing and smashing his little midget head against Mexican concrete and seeing his little kemonito brain matter spill out as he's crying for help in Spanish
>>19904873Because they prefer to be in the best company in the world, which is CMLL, not doing pathetic silly things in that company that not even WWE believes in.
>>19904890He has a beautiful waifu, and you have nothing, you should kill yourself instead.
>>19904909Lame. Everyone in that fed is ugly and dimeless
>>19904873Maika, Mei and Starlight Kid are gonna be on cmll's all women show next month if that interests you
>>19904954He wants them in AAA because he's a WWE cultist and a wanker. He's not interested in watching good wrestling, he just wants his crap that he worships to be good because it isn't, and he thinks that with some chinas it will be.
>>19905041WWE derangement syndrome
>>19903813>I love middle aged tiasmismo, bro
>>19905071MAMAR LECHE
Does anyone have that image explaining each La Parka?
>>19905097>there's a La Parka icebergbased
Really wish we had a chinita en la fed
Fucking hate Kemonito. Ugly freak midget
>>19905158What’s Kemonito’s lore
>>19900781Cry harder, joto.
>>19905175How Togepi-chan has grown and become sexually awakened
>>19905185Her tongue is so red. I bet it tastes like cherries
>>19905189Same, but with her thong instead, I bet it tastes like SEXO nectars...
>>19902981Get that Blue Demon toy out yo bussy, culero.
AAA is for fags
How do I get a torta to hold me like this
>>19905509Forgor pic
> nooo, anon, it's just one match, you're wrong if you're bothered by the way AEW talent is booked in CMLL.I'm so glad to be proved wrong so quickly, surely a cuadrangular is the best possible use of Neón and Ángel de Oro.
>>19905546My gosh...Everything is excellent except for that crap Daniel Garcia. Johnny Consejo is a gem, the 'Walking Weapon' is pure gold, and Catalina is finally back. Plus, Olympia's back as well after her very successful run in Stardom, and the new chilean waifu Akari with Kira.A good friday lucha feast with the best LUCHA of the whole world!
>>19905546I fucking hate this shit, but I guess it feeds incoming talent, a little bit more and they will end up like AEW forgetting who they have hired.I remember that CMLL hired the JR carrying the legacy of Enfermero and they just forgot they hired him and he just left unceremoniously.But have 20 more Mistico clones and more geezers. No wonder their Fantasticamania Japan card is looking grim >>19902953
>>19905577Calm down your tits, bitch. There are 7 shows a week. Not just 1 every 3 weeks.
>>19905546retador? is that like a retaded luchador?
>>19905598That's a big problem too, too much of the same thing.Oversaturation with no focus in clear rivalries makes people care even less about new talent.But then they come up with retarded sudden hair vs hair matches like the incoming three way female hair match or that retarded Bucanero match where it ended up on a draw and both guys got shaved.
>>19905598Catalina should go to triple A and be the Reina de Reinas. Their technica roster is weak as hell. Most are jobber tier, no offense to my sexy tias Faby & Shani
>>19905635flammer bros we didn't like this suggestion
>>19905621I totally agree, I already said it before, go complain to that imbecile Jose Luis Feliciano. As long as that cancer remains alive, CMLL will offer nothing different (especially because, one way or another, it works well Ss they're not going to change the formula).It really angered me that they wasted the rivalry between Volador Jr. and Rocky Romero, and then wasted their partnership as 'The Father and The Son' because it was really hot and everyone was waiting for more of it, But in the end, nothing happened...And yet, CMLL continues to offer some of the best and top notch wrestling in the world.
>>19905646Kek hasn’t she held it for like 5 years or some crazy shit
>>19904873They could technically bring Iyo back if her Marijuana PTSD is gone, also the Hamada sisters but they are borderline grannies
>>19905866iyo would definitely go down to AAA for a match if they wanted her
>>19902747>If that's AAA, why don't AAA fans go to AAA shows anymore, while mexican WWE fans do?Generational leap it happens in every promotioneven CMLL purist had a generational leap since they ignore all the carnie shit CMLL did.>How can AAA be AAA whose roster is 85% WWE's leftovers and is being run by WWE people who never understood what AAA was and think AAA is just a cheap low-quality version of WWE?But most of the talent weren't even in WWE you can see house shows with the same talent they ran just before they buyout>Because AAA isn't profitable That would be a point during 2020-2023 but WWE bought AAA after the Origenes season which filled arenas.>That formattingGo back to your dead CMLL threads schizo
>>19903404aaa fans have always popped for foreigners. didn't matter if it was satnam or teddy hart or rosemary. aaa fans cheered alberto, they cheer psycho circus, they embraced the new la parka, they want 'their guys' to be as cool as the other guys. can't do that if the other guys arent getting over.
>>19905169kemonito used to dress like a white ewok, alushe. that was back in the 80s. early 2000s he became the blue monkey. few years ago he was just old & broken. cmll made the new kemo, original kemo tried to sue but just changed the spelling. his son is microman.idk anything about the new kemo.
>>19902747My friend, I have returned. I did not dodge your question, I chose to ignore it, first part was already in my previous answer: There are no "AAA fans", there was none to buy the tickets and fill the seats. Arena looks pretty full now. You keep coming back to that separation that AAA fans now aren't AAA fans. Who voted you as their spoke person or where you got that number/categorization? There were no fans to pay the bill before TKO got involved - this gets repeated over and over again by other people too, it should be clear now. And if they weren't there, being nostalgic about people who like a certain distintiction of what "true AAA" is, is worthless. There ain't no ROH fans anymore either - if you need a comparison.>How can AAA be AAA whose roster is 85% WWE's leftoversThis shows a console war attitude and doesn't warrant any response, another cooked up number guesstimate. Blatant bias, and a notion that people don't want to see WWE "leftovers". Ticket sales suggest otherwise. It's not worth anybodies time to discuss this further. Nor will I. My advice stay the same: You are free to promote your favorite "real lucha", don't try to digging from under others because you, and what it looks like is you alone, prefer something.Live in peace my friendo.
>>19905071I want to fall asleep on those pillows
>>19905149>>19904873They could call Natsumi, the Gran Apache's granddaughter, she debuted against Iyo, and well she is the Grand Daughter of the best lucha teacher ever, Penta Iyo and Vaquer owe him a lot.Tough she is currently on Stardom.
>Vaquer promo is translated nowYou know it's kinda funny they did a telenovela like segment about Vaquer saying she went trough hell, and that Liv got everything handed to her for free, which got Liv crying, when in reality both girls are known for fucking guys to climb the ladder kek.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QluL1M97B4Q
>>19906351Dammit my webm converter is acting again
I'm excited La Catalina is back in the fold :)
>>19906689I'd like to get in her folds if you know what I mean ;)
>>19906774I don't, please describe exactly what you mean in great detail while I take my pants off
>>19904933Roger & Jessica Rabbit
Yesterday Penta acknowledged Gable EGA which is stupid since he already acknowledged Kaiser EGA as a good guy.More proof that Paul can't book shit.Why was Penta booked against Kaiser EGA in the first place?
>>19907460Before Pens got injured, the Lucha Bros were booked to wrestle the gringos locos (Kaiser & Dom) because they considered them fake Mexicans wearing the culture as costumes, which is based and true pilled, so I guess the enemy of his enemy is his friend
whatever happened to Texano Jr
>>19907460>>19907477This thread is about LUCHA, pendejos, not WWE. You have the whole fucking board to keep talking about 'Dom-Dom' and your chingada madre repeating the same fucking shitty questions for months. So, why don't you just tell me what happened on sunday at IWRG if you "love lucha" so much?Let's talk about how the friendship between Fresero Jr. and ANTOOONIOOO broke down, because that's the real drama of the year. Or do you know absolutely nothing about that because you don't like LUCHA, you don't love LUCHA, and you only like WWE Because you're just a bunch of filthy, cultist WWE imbeciles who only watch AAA because 'Dom-Dom' is in it, and 85% of the wrestlers there are WWE's leftovers, whose product is so bad that you have to force yourselves to believe you 'love' 'AAA' since even you are fed up with WWE??
>>19907460Not only that, it didn't make sense that LA Knight was partnering with Botch Uso after they were feuding for a long time>>19907678Sybau you type like the deranged CMLL asshole pozzing all the lucha threads there's luchadores everywhere deal with it
>>19905910>Generational leap it happens in every promotioneven CMLL purist had a generational leap since they ignore all the carnie shit CMLL did.Not overnight, unless you change the product they like and it stops being the product they like and becomes another one they don't like overnight.>But most of the talent weren't even in WWE you can see house shows with the same talent they ran just before they buyoutNo, the reason is that AAA didn't even have 10 signed luchadores and doesn't even have a 'roster', so what WWE has to do is fill that roster with its leftovers to avoid watching the same 3 matches from last year over and over again. So why should a show be called 'Lucha Libre AAA' when 85% of its cast are WWE wrestlers doing things the WWE way (or what WWE thinks mexican lucha is) and the rest are just mexican shitters as guests?>That would be a point during 2020-2023 but WWE bought AAA after the Origenes season which filled arenasAAA was bankrupt, what the hell are you talking about? They didn't even have 10 luchadores signed and they only put on one show a month. Why are you trying to talk about what you don't know as if you did? Why do you think AAA was sold to WWE? Why do you think WWE preferred to buy that bankrupt crap instead of partnering with AAA? Because AAA was actually doing well? AAA spent years giving away half of its tickets because its events simply weren't selling. Are you mentally retarded and ignorant or is this just lies and COPE?KYS
>>19907732So to be brief, you know NOTHING about LUCHA outside of WWE... sorry, outside of """AAA""", right?And that's because you're NOT really interested in LUCHA, and you've never been interested in """LUCHA""" if it's not WWE... sorry again, if ti's not """AAA""", right?That's all you have to accept and all you have to say. That you only like """AAA""" because you only like WWE, and that you're NOT interested in LUCHA and that you never have been interested in LUCHA. That's all...
>>19907876What’s the difference between WWE and “lucha”
>>19907892You tell me...Tell me why you only like WWE and nothing else. And why have you never been interested in anything outside of WWE?I'm asking you this seriously(because you'll end up answering the question yourself about what's the difference)
Is IWRG more like CMLL or pre-WWE AAA? I've watched CMLL and AAA before but never IWRG.
>>19907963A bit of both. They have their own arena and school where important international luchadores have emerged. In that sense, they're similar to CMLL: they produce talent and they do it well.At the same time, their 'final product' is very similar to AAA because it can also be exaggerated and 'vulgar' or 'shabby' at times, but fun.It's interesting because you find a lot of garbage but also some diamonds, and you can see step by step how a young dimeless shitter becomes an idol after a lot of effort.CMLL is the Cathedral of mexican wrestling in excellence, AAA was the scandalous and bombastic spectacle of the town, but IWRG is the heart of the mexican luchador...
>>19907929I guess it’s just the wrestlers themselves and their charisma/aura. To be honest I don’t give a shit about belts, and I’m alway lost with the stories. Aparently Liv needs to pick someone to fight for some reason, and Vaquer keeps harassing her and talking shit. Then there’s something about a tribal chief and his coconut niggas? Idk. That’s why I prefer AAA, they keep the story simple. The iguana has to choose which culona he likes more, Penta, Fenix and Vikingo hate gringos and want to kick them out of Mexico and take their belts, someone keeps sending the clowns to the hospital. That’s all the story I need kek
>>19908006Where can you watch this
>>19908096https://www.youtube.com/@iwrgtv
>>19908096Their YouTube Channel.Hellboy is literally they guy WWE should build AAA around.
>>19907929tism
>>19908126He could be the mexican CM Punk, but mentally healthyand with real talent, and a great locker room leader in about 10 years only because he's too young to be one now. He's a great guy, very mature, and better grounded and mentally balanced than many older and more experienced superstars. I'd bet all my pesos on Hellboy without hesitation.
>>19907963IWRG is the equivalent of JCW, no one really cares enough about it, but you will see tons of carnie shit in bothThe only thing that's cool about it's that most of the new talent comes from IWRG and that most of the JR legacy feuds are featured there
>>19907678Dom derangement syndrome
>>19907678No, Apparently you think it's about you. Have a extra (you) so you can stop begging for them
aaa has always been this way, only thing that changed is the camera angleshttps://youtu.be/SKDEjDyFqz4
"martes" is tuesday right? does that mean we get a stream tonight?
>>19908849Yes but it's paywalled.
>>19908934That is the bad part and the main obstacle to CMLL's explodes internationally: everything is pay to watch and they don't give their shows away for free (except for cutted and deferred parts of their live shows on mexican TV channels).I wonder how many of those who claim to love AAA would actually pay to watch AAA
>>19908993Isn't the main criticism of CMLL right now is them becoming gentrified because of how many american tourists are taking trips to Mexico City to watch it?
>>19908993I'd pay if the price was sane. 10 bucks with maybe a couple PPV big events a year. But $9 to watch just the Tuesday show is worthless and 25 a month for Friday is crazy, let alone 35 a month to get the Saturday show too.
>>19908993Poodle is a good avatar for you, you keep barking little doggy
>>19909031No, that's nonsense because CMLL has six shows a week, 4 of which are in Mexico City. The main show of the week is on friday in Arena Mexico with an attendance of 16,000 people. Saturday's show is smaller and more exclusive show at the Arena Coliseo (also in Mexico City) which is for 5000 people. The shows on sunday and tuesday are also in Mexico City at the Arena Mexico with an attendance of between 8,000 and 10,000 people (and there are a lot of seats available on those days).In other words, while many foreigners certainly go to Arena Mexico to experience it, mexicans aren't being displaced by them, as they don't even represent 20% of the crowd. Although in recent months even on sundays Arena Mexico has been completely full because the cards have been very and interesting. Imagine what it's like to sell 37,000 tickets every fucking weekend (and that's not counting the tickets for the other two arenas outside of Mexico City).
>>19909109>, mexicans aren't being displaced by themIt's fucking impossible to get tickets in the first 3 ringside rows at arena mexico because the only 2 kinds of people willing to pay 100 bucks to CMLL's scalpers are americans that see it as "cheap" compared to US shows and hardcore fans of certain luchadores.
>>19909035I'm not going to tell you no, you have a very good point. CMLL is making a big mistake in that regard and is denying more people from joining to the party. But as I explained before, the problem with that is named Alexis Salazar, who is a disgusting fat Shreky imbecile in charge of press and social media. The Lutteroths believe everything is fine because CMLL is doing so well in terms of numbers, so they don't suspect anything is wrong. But idiots like him, who are there because of nepotism, have hijacked the administration and management of the company, keeping it stagnant and closed off from the rest world because that way they can stay in positions of power. Well, it's quite a situation, but I understand your complaint, and it's valid. It's just that this is the only way Alexis Salazar, in his very mediocre mind, could think of for people like you to consume CMLL outside of the Arena.
>>19909109Why don’t they expand if they’re making bank? They should build an arena in Monterrey
>>19909174I have no doubt that they are considering it because this year they included Monterrey in the 'Torneo de Escuelas' and CMLL has regained its presence there because of the mess that was AAA being absorbed by WWE. The problem, once again, is that their success also stems from their mediocrity and complacency, especially given what I mentioned recently about the Lutteroths placing too much trust in their administrative team, which keeps the company as it is without any intention of expanding.They even have their own baseball stadium to host bigger shows if they want, but they don't plan to move away from Arena Mexico (for respect for their longtime fans, they say).
>>19909137>dos mil pesosno mames
>>19909244No los traes ahorita en la bolsa we
>>19909219Yeah bro they should also have one in the south, like Quintana Roo or someplace, and take advantage of all the tourism. Then with all the money invest in a couple smaller venues in South America to scout for talent. Puerto Rico and Chile seem to be hotspots for new talent. It seems like the ogre guy is too complacent tho. Not ambitious enough. They’re going to let WWE swallow up Latin America at this rate
>>19909244Y ese es el precio "normal" de reventa wey, ahora que andan trae y trae gente de AEW te los quieren clavar a 2500 o más.
>>19909253Yes, it's a problem that they don't have more ambition, perhaps. At the same time, it's sooo based at the same time, but at the same time they're letting go too much money.The next situation is that, precisely because AAA has disappeared, the entire independent market that AAA luchadores occupied is now available to CMLL, which rents itsluchadores to local promoters. In other words, CMLL doesn't need to build arenas to take the whole pie. Almost all of their stars wrestle daily in different parts of the country or abroad. In other words, all that success that CMLL has translates into not needing to do anything more, unfortunately...
>Today kicks off the 2026 Schools Tournament! A massive battle royale will decide the direct elimination matchups we'll have next Friday right here in the same venue.>Arena México>7:30 p.m.>box office and>ticketmaster.com.mx/artist/1156538>#MartesDeArenaMéxicohttps://x.com/CMLL_OFICIAL/status/2023903106887463233
>>19909324Wait that’s today
>>19909289>The next situation is that, precisely because AAAmeds now.
>>19909402Oh, sorry! I forgot that, """AAA""", which is """so successful""", puts on 1 show for 5,000 people every 3 weeks, from which they make 3 recorded TV programs. I forgot they were still in the game...
>>19909289Right. But I was thinking they could do the daily shows model and bring it to the north and south. Having their own arena would allow them to keep the tickets prices low. That way more people are willing to give it a chance, and you could grow the lucha community more that way
>>19909324Will be posting webms from this show if that's cool with everyone
Mas Lucha and Lucha Plus on YouTube, do they
>>19909578>Mas Lucha and Lucha Plus on YouTube, do theyI didn't realize I still had that typed in there. I was asking if Mas Lucha and Lucha Plus had a schedule of what promotions they stream on YouTube and when.
>>19909533You have more initiative and desire to grow lucha libre than they do. Technically they can, just look at the dynamics of the week with the 'Torneo de Escuelas'. A large group of luchadores already prepared to debut giving exhibitions of what they can do to the crowd. The 'Gran Alternativa tournament was just some weeks ago. And there they also introduced the 'new talents' who were going to start having starring roles like Yutani, Xelhua, Gallero, and many others. CMLL is constantly producing luchadores, and there are also many that we can say they have in the bench.So, of course, they could take advantage of all that to have even more weekly shows in different parts of the country and even venture into other locations outside because they also have many main stars to support those shows.But if they wanted to do it, I suppose they would have done it already. Therein lies the problem again, kek...(Also, very BASED pic)
>>19909577If you want but wouldn't it be better for you to start a gamethread for the show since this is a general lucha thread?
>>19909697No one will post in a Tuesday show general the Friday shows on a good week gets like 20 posts
>>19909577cool
>>19909768Best Chilean right here. Vaq sold out
>>19909768I can read those lips(they say SEXO)
Is there any schizo lore about Catalina? Or is it just Stephanie that attracts them
>>19909797Even chileans don't like her anymore after what she said yesterday. She's hated in Chile, in Mexico, and a goodamount of american fans already hate her too.That pendulum is swinging back too hard and too fast. What easy comes, easy goes.
>>19909814Catalina is schizo herself
>Vaq schizowew
The poster for the other show looks good
>>19899480
>>19909992Blue Shark and Vigia they seem to have a bright future, people have welcomed them warmly.
>>19910013I love her elegance
>>19909324Arr rook same but in mexican
>>19910013what's so sane about her
>>19910151Everything!
>>19910126There's a fucking dinosaur there
>>19909847Kek
>>19909834KWAB
Timmy Tanga just doxxed Fenix and uploaded a video of him without his maskHow unluckier can the lucha bros go?
I'm surprised they didn't send Max Star to japan but I guess someone has to stay and make hombre bala Jr's ass watchable
>>19910151dat ass
>>19910396Is he good looking
>>19910396He tried to destroy AEW by spreading lies so he could be released and go to WWE. He's an ass-licker mentally enslaved by Konnan. There's a reason Tony stopped trusting him and Penta at a certain point. He's paying for his bad karma.
[GOOD NEWS] if you love Canada and/or trannies you're getting more of both in CMLL
>>19910492the shows would be a chance for canadians to watch luchadores in person
>>19910457>He tried to destroy AEWholy fuck you are just a aewtist lmao
>>19910492>Triple HAHAHA>Gira Alianzas>not a single oneKEKMeanwhile, the best company in the world continues to forge alliances around the globe. That's why CMLL is the World Wrestling Council.
>>19910492If the international trip the Chávez said they have coming up soon is to fucking MLP in Canada and not AEW or NJPW, I'm going to murder someone, man.
>>19910457hey schizo, what bad karma was Mistico paying for when he doxxed himself on IG live lol
>>19910548Same, they deserve more tbqh
>>19910492Is that the one where they dress up as tigers and shit
>>19910565Still a living leyend, the idol of Mexico, and the real GOAT OF GOATS!Oink louder and SEETHE HARDER, PORK!!
>>19910588This escalated quickly
>fake ass astroturfed thread is over 300 replies>fake ass astroturfed /lyra/ general is buried deep in the catlaogso incredibly shocking
>>19910565Might give Undercarder a run for his money as UAMFBN
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