>>6402615
You waited until day came, dropping anchor and working to remain stationary while not too far from land until the sun came back. When it did, Asha ordered the ships to head out and pushed back to the kraken and fire Wyrm filled waters.

That was when the first obstacle came, the currents. The Iron Lion and the Expectant Lover found that the barrier of Krakens and ships had a current that was stronger than any wind moving out of the doom, something that had been easily missed with the focus on the krakens and avoiding the waters, with the current into the doom being weak enough that one could miss it. Now though, without any means of fighting past the current, it required a new path to be taken.

Recalling the great water way that flowed between Oros and Tyria, that one that had been declined as a possible entrance now seemed the best bet to escape the isles. So both ships turned and began to head north, while Asha and Sarella ordered that everyone secure anything loose and prepare life lines to keep people from falling off the ships. Gerion tried once more to argue for a stop on the main island, but was denied as now that exit was even harder, You, Asha, Sarella, and Even Humfrey did not wish to jeopardize your exodus.

When you began to close in, a few days of sailing later, that’s when the next obstacle was faced. While already the sailing was rough, dealing with aberrant currents, avoiding acidic bubbles floating in the water, and sailing around the ruins, it became worse as the draw of the great water way began to pull the ships forward. Here, the slow nature of the Iron Lion came as a benefit, allowing it to better navigate while the expectant lover was forced to fight the current and be sailed with less and less margin for error.

Eventually, it became too much, and the expectant lover was abandoned. After anchoring at a ruined tower, and transferring all the supplies, equipment, and crew over, the iron lion set sail as the Expectant lover was abandoned. You watched as it grew smaller, a sacrifice that was easy to make if it meant more people lived.

Then you saw movement, heart growing cold “Shit, we left someone behind!” You said, looking around and catching the attention of the entire expedition. People ran to the edge of the boat, everyone seeing a single figure walking on the deck of the Expectant Lover. Panic rose through the crew, and there were calls to go back.

“We’re all here.” Dara said, glaring at the figure that was growing smaller and smaller with the Expectant Lover. The Latterborn members looked to Dara, confused at first, then slowly looking back to the figure on the Expectant Lover, then everyone growing pale as more figures began to climb onto the deck of the ship, all of them watching the Iron Lion leave. “These lands… There is no glory in the curses here.” He said, everyone quickly got back to work, while you watched the figure stand and watch you back.
(Cont)

>>6402616
Those figures plagued your dreams that night, and so you got little sleep as you came closer and closer to the once great waterway that held the trade routes of the world in a choke hold. Once it came into view, Asha and the crew were constantly at work to control every aspect of the ship's movement in order to fight the current that got stronger and stronger. The sails were constantly shifting and being drawn and extended to make the wind as much of a resource as possible.

“I hate this,” Asha said with a strained voice, her shift at the wheel while Sarella took a break, the heat of the air and water making it feel like almost an oven and forcing the two to switch off often to ensure they stay hydrated and cool enough to sail. “We’re making good time, way too good. At this rate, the current will be moving so far, it’ll be up to the gods whether we survive or not.”

You nodded, watching as Sarella lead the crew in adjusting with Asha shouting the occasional order to guide them “I’m not a sailor and even I can see that…The fact we have to go this way, it’s a cruel twist of fate…But, if anyone can get us through it, It’s y-”

“Shut up,” Asha said gruffly, straining as she turned the wheel, shouting a series of orders before she could have another chance “Just…I know you have faith in me but…There is no one who can sail those waters. I don’t have any love for the gods, so when I say it's up to them…I mean it.” She said, the final distance to the main waterway closing.

“...We should drop anchor, and have everyone rest up. We’ll all need to be at our best. Even if the gods decide our fate, many reward those who take fate into their own hands and do so with diligence.” You said, remembering the Smith and what the Septons said of his virtues. You were not religious, not very, but in this moment before the harsh trial of leaving the doom, you wished you had taken a symbol of your patron god to pray to or to have in your hands for comfort. Instead you placed a hand on Asha’s shoulder “We’ll do all we can.”

That night, you lead the crew in sharing food and drink. It was not a merry affair, it was not festive either. Things were too tense for that, and instead they were close. The members of the Latterborn drank and ate together, and shared each other's company. Warriors and comrades broke bread, shared drinks, and listened to music and songs. You even took a chance to try playing the Valyrian instrument, and after a brave attempt you managed to bring a few smiles with your clumsy blunders. The instrument passed hands, as many tried to play it, with you all finding some tricks and rules for the instrument through trial and error. You promised that when you mastered it, you would write a song for the expedition, then hire a bard to write a no doubt better one.
(Cont)

>>6402617
With this final joke, earning some warm laughs and smiles, everyone turned in for the night. You and Asha took to her bed, both yours and her bed but called hers for both jest and to acknowledge her captainship. There you both held each other close, trying to sleep to prepare for the day ahead.

Sleep did not come, instead you found yourself in her dark eyes and she found herself in your green ones. The expeditions threat, and the uncertainty of your escape, made you bold. Asha welcomed it, and what occurred was not the passionate love of newly weds or youthful affection, but an attempt to know another as closely as possible, born from the fear that you would never have another chance. Eventually, you both found sleep, deep in each other’s embrace.

Then there was a thunderous crash as something broke against the copper hull of the Iron Lion. You fell from the bed, looking around in a panic before pulling on your pants while Asha was already pulling on her mask after dressing and running out the door.

There was sounds of panic, people dressing in confusion, and you followed Asha up to the deck of the ship as you pulled on your mask.

Asha tried to push the door open, and found it would not budge. She pushed, shoved, then threw her shoulder at it in rising panic. Then the ship shuddered again as something struck the side, and the ship shifted as if turning.

The iron Lion was moving.

Humfrey came and reduced the door to splinters with the Tearstone hammer, allowing everyone to flood onto the deck of the ship.

It was dark, the only lights being those brought up to the deck by Latterborn. The deck of the ships was painted red with blood, bodies left in heaps, the 10 Latterborn left on watch in order for everyone to have a shift of sleep now crumpled heaps of flesh, leaving the expedition down to a mere 16 people.

The sails were gone, torn and released to be carried off by the wind and tides. The ropes were all cut or missing, unable to help anyone stay aboard. The Iron Lion was thrashing and being pushed down the current, a violent current, one of the main water ways. The chain for the anchor was nowhere to be seen. And standing at the center of the deck, standing closer to 9 feet than 8, was a cloaked man whose face was shifting. First it was half a genderless person and the other half a bare skull, then it was that of a drowned corpse, then it was a raging fire, then it was a black furred goat, and then a dozen other shapes and visages. Eventually, it stopped, and showed itself as a feature blank face with one half colored black and the other half white. It carried a sword of writhing shadows, surrounding it was an atmosphere the same weight you felt the first time you stepped into the Starry Sept in Oldtown, when you were faced with the majesty of the divine.
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>>6402619
Only instead of awe, you felt terror, you felt the coldness of the grave, you felt the sinking maw of mortality weigh on you, and distantly you heard the screams of a mother unable to survive her children’s birth.

Humfrey stepped forward, shaking but holding his hammer up even as his other arm hung bandaged against his chest “S-stand back! You’ve board the w-wrong sh-”

“Humfrey Hightower. Do not speak.” Said the voice, though it did not come from the figure, instead it was whispered in your ears. Humfrey became silent, his eyes wide and the fear rising. “Humfrey Hightower, Sarella Sand, Sorralol Dara, Asha greyjoy, Gerion Lannister, “ it continued on through the names of the remaining ten summer islanders before it came to the final named “And Jason Lannister. A thing has come, just as men and women have come. While men and women came seeking a grave, a thing has come to place them inside of it.”

You stood there, and another crash of the ship almost sent everyone to the ground. One of the Summer Islanders ran to try and get to the wheel, then dropped dead as a shadowy blade pierced their heart. There was no sound of pain, only blood then death as the summer islander fell to the ground, the creature’s free hand lowering back to its side, Jason having not even seen it throw anything. Everyone raised their weapons at this “Many gods and one have determined the fate of this land, and those within it. Lives owed were stolen, now these Men and Women must provide lives in exchange.” The creature said, standing its ground, unaffected by crashing waves and the out of control Iron lion.

“We haven’t stolen any lives,” you said, shaking as you tried to steel yourself. “We slew those who threatened to slay us, and those who begged for mercy.” You said, ready to bare your blade to the beast.

“A thing knows this. A thing knows a man has done this, has given the gift of death to the Maznareon clan. This gift was done in kindness, and was paid for with their treasures. However, the debt they owe is great, and remains unpaid. The debt of all of those who lived here is great, and each has yet to pay. A thing shall balance the scales, and the god of this land will have their due.”

The ship was out of control, the deck was covered in blood, and a creature of divine death stood upon the deck of the Iron Lion. What do you do?

>Lead the charge, lead the charge to try and kill this creature before everything is lost.

>Try to negotiate with it, to make a deal or somehow find a means of settling whatever debt this creature thinks you owe.

>Other

Current Dispositions

Asha 15/20, Humfrey 15/20, Dara 5/20, Sarella 5/20, Oberyn martell 0/20, Robert Baratheon 5/20, Cersei Lannister -7/20, Tyrion 20/20, Jaime 18/20, Sandor Clegane 5/20, Malora 5/20, Marwyn 5/20. Tywin ??/20.

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>>6402622
Found a cool image I thing is close to what you're dealing with right now

>>6402622
>>Lead the charge, lead the charge to try and kill this creature before everything is lost.

>>6402622

Every option we have is Bad. If we try to attack this thing directly, someone very important in our party is going to die probably either Humfrey, Gerion, or Asha and we'll get crippled, while if we try to negotiate, it'll deffo ask for something we can't give up, like the souls of our future children (or something to that effect), and the only "other" thing I can think of would be to try and use our magical knowledge to try and exorcise this fucking thing, but I very much doubt that our meager wizardly abilities will be enough to get a Valyrian Doom Spirit to fuck off without getting cursed big time.

Legit good job, QM; I've never been given a problem this deeply troubling before in a Quest.

The only thing I can think of the "debt" they owe being (other than their continued lives) is suffering for their crimes.

And the only way I can think of to pay the debt in an amenable way to us would be to hunt slavers and pirates.

>>6402622
>>Try to negotiate with it, to make a deal or somehow find a means of settling whatever debt this creature thinks you owe.
If death is the price then surely our lives alone would not suffice, perhaps then it would be best if we were let to kill in recompense. We can find wars or ways to repay the cost whereas it cannot so long as it is here enforcing upon the ruins.

Gahdamn. Dealing with the faceless man (men?) who caused the fucking doom. Better to be cursed than lose all of our limbs and half of our skull though.

So yeah without that "get outta Valyria 'free' card" to ensure we'd survive there is no fucking shot I will ever want to come back here. Fuck that. This is bullshit, I did not hit her, I did not. Oh hi Faceless Mark. Maybe it would ask us to send expeditions here to fail and die. Or maybe it would whisper names in our ears of those who need to die to ensure the world suffers enough to repay the debt. Fuck. Ah man. Yeah. Truly horrible.

If he asks for anything to do with our kids though yeah nah fuck em, we throw hands. I'll lose a limb or bits to protect the kiddos of the future.


Oh by the way QM, you archive the last thread?

>>6402648
not qm but it's archived, yea

Please do not make a deal with the soul demons. If nobody has any idea I'll have to vote for attacking them even if people die.

>>6402649
Coolio, thanks.

>>6402650
I mean what options do we really have? Offer to build a church or two? Put down a new house for the Faceless Men to work from and get their ritual and non-ritual murders done? Give it back all the treasures which I doubt it really cares about? Pray? Honestly praying is probably our BEST option. And ain't that some shit.

>>6402651
I don't know ASOIAF lore enough to tell, but I don't wanna make a deal that'll end up turning our children into ash or some shit.

>>6402622
>Try to negotiate with it, to make a deal or somehow find a means of settling whatever debt this creature thinks you owe.
"Then A Thing will have what is owed. A Lannister ALWAYS pays his debts. How would you like to be compensated?"

>>6402654
Given how Faceless Men operate I doubt it would ask for that/cause that, but at the same time I wouldn't know because this is not a normal Faceless Man. Presumably this is the guy or a collective consciousness of all the guys who caused the Doom itself. So it either heard the call of the gods to facilitate this cursed land to punish the Valyrians or it is itself cursed by the Doom it caused but is spared the agony and is instead granted a duty for the role it played.

Alternatively, this IS just a regular Faceless Man. Or the one "at the top" of their organization. Maybe after enough time this thing is just what Faceless Men become. Just with the mask off. In which case it is possible to kill it or drive it back, but given its unbelievable speed and lethality it's gonna end up killing nearly all of us and mangling the rest before we can do so.

But considering where we are and there's no sign of how it got here, it's probably a spirit of some description instead of a man. Unless it snuck onto the ship the moment we stepped foot onto Volantis. Which Faceless Men are very good at doing.

Valar Morghulis, Valar Dohaeris. All men must die, all men must serve.

>>6402662
Well, I'm telling you right now that whatever price he takes will be far fucking worse than the deaths we'll have. He might decide to take some of the people here to suffer forever like the Maznareons. He might curse our house. I don't know. But it'll suck a lot more than being wounded ill tell you 'what

>>6402669
Not if he cuts our balls off and stabs Asha in the ovaries. That'd be pretty bad. And curses can eventually run their course or be lifted. We can't exactly grow a new arm.

>>6402670
I'd say the chance of that happening is about as equal as of him cursing us to a similar extent, or our children. Especially the children, this is a medieval setting and medieval monsters LOVE cursing unborn future children.

>>6402677
If you don't like it then I suggest you vote for something else, then. That's what this is all about after all. Do a write in to pray and swear an oath to the god(s) of your choice to build the most magnificent of churches if they'll make this thing leave us alone. My suggestion is the Seven, they tend to do little miracles like making people not die it seems. But if you have any other in mind then go with them.

Or just vote to fight it. No skin off my back.

>>6402680
I'm holding off because I don't know enough to make a call. If nobody has an idea, I'll vote to fight.

>Try to negotiate with it, to make a deal or somehow find a means of settling whatever debt this creature thinks you owe.

Well the shifting faces of the thing seems to indicate that it might be some sort of avatar of the Many-Faced God (Black Goat of Qohor, Drowned God, R'hllor, etc.) . If so I don't like our chances especially since some of our best fighters are injured. We should at least ask how we can even pay the debt still owed and only fight if it's unacceptable.

>>6402682
Well no one knows enough. Doomed Valyria is never explored in canon, everything about it is speculation minus two things, that there are parasitic worms that get into people ala Aerea, and that there is some big mean mother hubbard than can wound the baddest dragon left alive Balerion. That's it. Everything else we have come across is either speculative things taken to the extreme or completely novel. If you don't want to pray, don't want to talk to it, then you may as well just vote to fight now kek. We're all guessing.

>>6402622
Man I fucking KNEW a demon would show up. Also, really REALLY fucking hope we just didn't conceive our first child in fucking Valyria. Interesting confirmation that Valyria was collectively punished by all the Gods.

>Other

We are not of this land therefore the restrictions, obligations, and debts are not owed by us by the native denizens. Transference of debts requires permission of its debtors and indebted which given your attempts to intimidate and kill indicates you do not have permission to do this and it is actually outside your jurisdiction.

Proof?

Undead Dragonlord while protecting his family and not enslaved could not perform mercy killing or suicide. Ashwights while puppeted could not die or enter the water. Restrictions are in place that ONLY affect the natives. NOT outsiders who intrude upon Valyria.

As Jason Lannister and Adopted Son of Maznareon, your allegations are full of falsehoods. IF you wish to enforce your claim, a true emissary is required for negotiations and not a Demon who also cannot leave Valyria. Otherwise, it is YOU who has in fact made a breach in terms that as outsiders we are not guilty of or carrying the debts of the indebted natives. Gift of mercy or kindness does not mean admission of guilt or automatic transference of debts.

TLDR its a demon pretending to be a divine emissary, call out its bullshit and demand proper restitution and right of emissary for negotiation/court justice if claims are serious.

PS
Don't fall for trial by combat or its bait to make a pact with it. Both options are TRAPS.

>>6402695
Anybody know whether this guy is making sense?

>>6402697
it's so autistic... that it might just work
>>6402695
>>6402622
Support trying to call it out on its BS before either following with an attack or with debate if it is so inclined.

>>6402697
>>6402695
I believe he’s stating that due to the obvious limitations and rules the inhabitants of this land are under, and the fact that no one in your group has any connection to the original crime, that the debt owed by those you gave mercy to cannot be transferred to you. He is also demanding a real representative of the accusers, likely someone from the actual house of the faceless men, to come and speak on this.

I think?

Not a bad play, given how ritualized and exact the faceless men operate.

>>6402695
*by us but

I really don't wanna get fucked by demon loopholes thanks to typos.

>>6402697
I played a LOT of intrigue and shadowrunning games with bullshit like fucking demons and Fey. Seriously fuck the Fey. Demons at least are predictable assholes in how they try to fuck you. Drag it into a debate because it is also under restrictions. The problem is we don't know what all those restrictions are exactly but it must be strong, otherwise it wouldn't be trying to bluff so hard.

Also some law studies and lover of intrigue books. If the fucker pulls out lawfare and legalese though i'm calling it quits because that means QM is lawyer and my understanding of differential terms and meanings of words in law hold differing definitions. Which my grasp of isn't all that great still. Fucking legalese redefining word meanings...

>>6402701
Right of judgement and actual representive of accusers.

We are accused of interrupting justice and debt transference however proof of this must be proven because the restrictions of the natives do not apply to outsiders like us. Drag it into a debate and demand the right to be judged and meeting with actual representives/ a proper court for justice.

In a ritualized context, for a Faceless Man who decrees they serve ALL Gods, this means Divine Emissary and Holy Judgement.

As we ourselves outsiders and not the ones whom they were contracted to kill. This is a loophole within their own code because they are restricted to ONLY killing whoever their Mark is and NOBODY else. If we want to play that angle, we would hit them over the head with the fact that there was no contract on us and they would still need proof of transference of debts.

So it depends on if in the debate do we want to play up the legal/holy or a more ritualized/magical argument? Given how we were also adopted by a Valryian House we actually have a LOT of breathing room in terms of what routes we can take in the debate. Even pushing for both depending on what works and what doesn't.

>>6402705
Personally I don't think it's a Faceless Man because they are hardcore sticklers for contractual limits and their rituals. A demon pretending to be one? Yeah, that makes a lot more sense. A Faceless Man wouldn't kill us for no reason without a contract and the right rituals. As none of us are Marked.

If it were a Faceless Man the closest they could nail us with was being adopted by house Maznareon but the issue with that is we performed the gift of mercy to the entirety of House Maznareon before the Undead Dragonlord adopted us. Under that particular claim they could neither argue we are born of the House of Maznareon and death at our hands would have ended it. They would have to argue that debts belong to the defunct entity of House Maznareon transferred to us...when there is nothing left of it but the gifts that were given to us for services rendered. Therefore there were no longer any assets remaining including Blood of House Maznareon on account of the Dragonlord being undead.

So they would have to argue an Adopted Outsider is a native and cursed Valyrian but if that were true the Curses of Valyria would also apply to Jason which didn't happen when the Undead Dragonlord struck the ritual and pact with Jason Lannister. Ergo the Gods accepted the sacred rights of House Adoption and refusal of debts transference. Otherwise, Jason would have immediately been smited and struck with the same curses that the native Valyrians suffer under.

So yes it is a Demon. Our adoption is proof that Outsiders that should they survive are not afflicted with the same punishments, curses, or debts of the natives. They even have the right to also perform the gift of mercy to any natives they come upon as well as communicate otherwise bad things would have happened with our interactions with the Undead Dragonlord.

>>6402695
+1
It's kind of deranged but 2700+ posts of autism is meaningless if we don't indulge the most autistic grognard approach when the other two choices are obviously bad. This cannot be worse than fighting it immediately and cannot be worse than offering it a debt. If we call it on its BS and it doesn't flinch, then we have a fight on our hands anyways, so it can't hurt to try.

>>6402704
The only issue I see with this is that it obviously can just kill us if it wants to. As it has been doing. Everyone who has made any move to "leave" has been killed. And given that Jason literally ate some of the ash he might rules lawyer us in that Jason IS of this land as he straight up has it in him. It's obviously already playing fast and loose with the rules it would have as a Faceless Man by indiscriminately killing us.

But I don't think this is one of the "demons". It's a demon, yes, but not one of the kind that stories are told of. So I don't think it's just a "ha ha GOTCHA!" kind of thing it's just a zealot that has been around far longer than it should have been. The very Braavosi affectation of "A thing" and "a man" makes me think that. A demon would probably speak in a more familiar manner as a psychological ploy to engender trust, basically, it has no reason to talk like a Braavosi when it clearly knows none of us are since it wouldn't particularly help its deception. Especially if we consider that Demons might be the fire counterpart to Others, they probably wouldn't speak with voices of men but a sound akin to crackling flames. Much like the Others speak with voices of cracking ice. Of course this thing is also not "speaking" so much as making us hear, neat distinction.

>>6402704
>Fucking legalese redefining word meanings

Funniest possible thing to happen if we do end up going the "debate this thing to death" route is if we have a digression where we just spend like three hours defining what the specific words it and we are using mean. I feel like Asha would just get exasperated enough to just smite this fucking thing by herself.

>>6402721
Hit him with the "WHAT IS A MAN!?".

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>>6402695
>support
Amazing write in.

Fuck tho... A penance of half a millenia in hell and still not paid. Whatever price the faceless thing wants we cannot pay, but I doubt we can afford to attack it either. Hope this works

Anyways, The Sigil of House Maznareon, Lord Paramount of the West and the Seas.

>>6402737
For a moment I thought there was artifacting on the kraken tentacles before I remembered squids got suckers or claws on them bad boys. Rad.

>>6402744
house words: Salt, Gold and Fire.

The skull is a lion's skull of course. I kinda wanted to do a blue flame (cuz sulphur burns blue) on the castle but I thought it might be too much of a copy of the hightowers with their green flame.

>>6402749
If you still want blue without riffing on the hightowers lighthouse, perhaps coloring the dragon's tongue blue would suffice for an evocative blue fire sort of thing? The asymmetry might be a little funky though. Then again, the imbalance might accentuate the idea that one of these things is not like the others. And being a dead and forgotten house now semi-revived would fit as a subtle impression. For whatever reason all the dragons have flames color coded to be similar to their scales though. Which I always found fun.

I do like it tho. Good stuff.

>>6402753
Thx I appreciate it.

Half of me is happy with it being a rip off of the hightowers, I tried to put all the great influences on Jason on the sigil, the Lady Kraken, The Old Lion and his expectations of legacy, his architectural passions and Valyria. The tower being a lantern would show that the hightowers also influenced him and also connect him to the sea.

On the other hand, depending how our encounter with the demon of the faceless god goes maybe it will be more appropiate for the fires to be burning from within the eye sockets of the skull, like the braavosi giant

>>6402701
>>6402695
I think that insulting this thing to it's face by calling it out is a very bad idea, even if it is just a demon.

Now, I think it is absolutely fair to ask for proof that this being is whom it claims to be. We can point out that any old demon could appear and claim to be "the real deal".
Furthermore, this being is murdering people when they try to stop the ship from hitting rocks. It is trying to force a negotiation whilst we are in danger. That is not fair. If it wanted to talk, it could have done so whilst everyone was anchored. If it didn't want us to leave without paying our debt, it had ample opportunity.
Another fair point is that we were not warned nor told about the customs of this land, thus it is unfair to place these obligations and expectations on outsiders.
ANOTHER fair point is that Jason is the only one who put the Maznareon family to rest. This being has no right to kill the rest of our crew whom were completely innocent.

This might be a dream.
This whole situation started right after Jason went to bed with Asha.
After having eaten some cursed ash and getting adopted by The Maznereon family, a demon might be trying to invade Jason's dreams. Why is it only waiting until now?
Jason should ask Asha a question that only she would know the answer to. If she says something wrong, then we know this is just a dream and that Jason is actually asleep.

>>6402622
>Other
I think we first need to find out whether this is just a dream; we ask Asha something that only she would know.
After that, go with whatever else all the other anons voted for. Simply combine my quick idea with theirs.

>>6402757
As an alternative to making the tower look like the lighthouse style of the hightowers with the flame on top, you could put a window with the flame set in it further down the structure. A fire that burns within. As much a guide as a lighthouse but for a different purpose.

Flaming eye sockets are also primo as hell. Definitely something to pontificate kek

>>6402760
If it is a dream, looking for logical inconsistencies is something to do. Though part of me suspects it isn't, it would be rather inconvenient to have to bring up the spare sail and ropes. And we might not have a spare anchor which will be annoying to park the ship once we get out of here. Well, unless the ship starts sinking and we only are able to sail to nearby "safe" land and disembark that way. Which does make me kind of hope it's just a dream or vision. Won't hold my breath, though.

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>>6402491
Oh shit, I forgot to post this last thread before we started the new one.

>>6402760
>If she says something wrong, then we know this is just a dream and that Jason is actually asleep.
I hate to burst your bubble, anon, but the creature identified every single remaining member by name - Jason himself probably does not know the names of all the islanders. Also, if he is capable of invading and altering a dream, he is capable of controlling how Asha answers the question, right? She could give you a wrong or right answer and it wouldn't verify whether you were being manipulated by an illusion or dream. We have to assume this mfer is for real.

>>6402769
kek maybe that 1% extra tism is what's needed to get the tomboy gf

>>6402771
>Jason himself probably does not know the names of all the islanders
That's exactly my point. If this is a dream, then the creature is not pluming Jason's mind/memory for information. It might be limited to what it has observed/heard whilst everyone was in Valyria. If it only knows things like names that it's overheard, then it can control what dream Asha says but that doesn't mean the creature would know what she would say.

That said, I'm not disagreeing with you.
There are too much lives at stake to risk on a hunch.
My point was to just try and keep an eye out for anything that could confirm my suspicions, and a quick/easy way of doing that would be by trying to ask Asha.

I don't believe at all that this creature is being honest. All the points I made in my previous post, along with all the reasons that other anons have commented on indicate that this demon is very fucking suspicious. Preventing us from steering the ship whilst also killing crew whom had nothing to do with Jason's adoption?

What it comes down to, is just whether or not it actually matters if the demon is lying or being honest.
It has us by the balls. So do we try to fight and risk a lot of us dying seeing as it can kill so easily? Or do we try to negotiate with something that obviously wants to hurt us?

>>6402616
oh great, zombi ship
>>6402619
oh great, dialectic demon
>>6402695
Jason is a Maznareon now lol, he inherited both assets and liabilities
>>6402715
>very Braavosi
yeah there's something fishy here. this is probably a demon trying to hide its true name
it wants something from us, bad, and cannot get it by killing, otherwise it would have just killed us all in our sleep
my mind is settled - this is magical/ritual combat
>>6402695
I am with you in principle, we try to lawyer this thing, but I propose a more conservative opening.
>>6402760
yes but it's probably not a dream
>>6402622
>Other
>I am Jason, scion of house Maznareon. The lives I took were mine to take, by right and custom. Who are you to challenge me?
if it's a demon it will balk at revealing its true name, we laugh at it and tell it to fuck off.
Art of the Deal, bby! Worst comes to worst, we pledge to kill Valyrians wherever we find them

>>6402777
it wants something, otherwise we'd be dead
so we find out what and either parlay that into us having power over it, or get enslaved ourselves in some way
such is the life of a warlock

>>6402785
as an aside, the etymological meaning of "warlock" is "oathbreaker"

>>6402622
Wait... I just noticed:
>Asha 15/20
Did we earn back +2 disposition with her by agreeing to forget about Brightroar and leave Valyria behind?

>>6402714
If it does come down to a fight, then we should hit it with Holy Water. Normal weapons won't work (maybe Humfrey's Goddess tears hammer?), but Holy Water while chanting a prayer to The Seven (specifically The Mother, since she wouldn't condemn Jason for putting the Maznareon children to rest)

>>6402785
I'm fine with asking what it wants. As long as we still get to then choose whether to accept or decline. Hearing out its demands might give us insight into this Creature.
Maybe we could try to also ask for proof that it is who it claims it is; how can we know that it is an actual emissary rather than a normal demon? On the flip side, asking for proof might just piss it off.

>>6402784
One thing to keep in mind is demons in ASoIaF aren't really like Abrahamic demons. They're likely much closer to various Pagan style demons. Which means naming them probably doesn't hold as much power over them as one might expect from the term demon. And if it actually is a demon born of a faceless man then it truly does have no name as they ritualistically abandon their names and identities.

But getting it to reveal itself is a very useful thing. Knowledge is power. And knowing for sure what it is will help a lot in knowing how to deal with it. Because you CAN legalese a faceless man. You can not legalese a creature born of fire. If it's a faceless demon it more than likely does want to just kill a ton of shit, but it will have rules. If it's a Demon demon it'll more than likely be trying to use us as a method of either escaping or influencing the world to facilitate spreading whatever magical malaise specifically that lets them exist in the ruins of Valyria. But more importantly it will not have anything that actually binds it to its word or a code of conduct.

Basically the question is, are we dealing with a psycho-Judge or a trapped monster.

>>6402790
Hit it with the fucking book. The magic one. Give it the bible-thumper treatment. kek

>>6402790
If it's dumb enough to give us a name we win, we have power over it.
Worth a try, I should think.
If it tells us what it wants what it really really wants, maybe we can find a way to con it.

>>6402792
my bet is trapped monster larping as psycho-Judge

>>6402790
>Holy Water.
>>6402793
>give us a name we win

Can I get a source for holy water hurting demons or their being compelled by their true names?

>>6402801
The demon (it is a demon, it calls itself "thing" not "man") itself is my source. It has not revealed its name, meaning it doesn't want to, meaning it has power.
holy water is worth a try
we also have magical weapons
maybe could try something with salt sulphur and a skull if we can find one

>>6402769
Kek, this is great. I love seeing the memes for this quest, and so does my buddy who also loves game of thrones.

Keep em coming. Also loved the petyr baelish and iron born one.

>>6402802
Faceless men don't have names unless they need them, and this thing at least styles himself in their religious dogma. I am not sure it has a name. Holy water is just irl demon myths seeping in. We don't know any solid weakness of this thing.

>>6402784
If we had inherited the curses (liabilities) of the Maznareon we'd be in excruciating fiery pain right now. Even this demon did not say that, as if it wanted to point out our magical adoption it would have called us Jason Maznareon.

The death we gave is the issue, as this thing obviously hates Valyrians and wants to see them continue suffering. Even tho we were "contracted" for it and it was paid for by the treasury of the dragonlords, it instead focuses on how we gave a mercy to those not deserving of it.

It is seeking balance and restitution, and that means it can be reasoned with. So we can rules lawyer it, however it does depend highly on how much Jason knows about the Faceless men.

We aren't Valyrian, we are far removed from the atrocities they committed and have not enslaved anyone. Same with the others in our group. If we had any Targs with us we'd probably be already dead, the same is true if we had any slaves from Volantis. Gerion in the books probably got 1 shotted by this thing the moment he passed into the smoking sea if a slave mutiny didn't kill him first.

>>6402622
I knew it the demons would hate our ass for giving the after life to the Maznareon family souls. Its why the Ashwights horde suddenly got near us after a few hours in the manse. Anyway it seems they are also enjoying killing us and have severely hampered our ability to go around, before we even got an idea we where under attack. Lost one ship and the Iron Lion is damaged too.

I dont really trust this thing. We have not yet fought back against it, but the 10 death Latterborn where all killed by it. It can also call more demons to help it, while we have to manage to kill it and then move the ship again. Somehow. How the hell we do that if we lose crew, like a ship doesn't work better with less people.

I think we are forced to fight it. It and any other demon near. It wants souls, a lot of souls has payment. I am expecting it will start killing some of our crew even if we negotiate for how many souls it wants. And a demon would be unfair eitherway in a fight or negotiation. We don't hold any good cards for either and the demands will be likely insane and great (no way in hell its just our future kids souls. Thats too small a price. Thats the included first term in the 10 terms demonic contract). I'll trust in the gods to aid us. Like Asha said is up to them now (literally because our ship is in no condition to sail well now) if they want to throw some help our expedition way.

>Other
>Ask for the gods to aid the Latterborn against this confrontation with this unjust demands

>>6402815
>Even this demon did not say that
which is why I think we should call him out on it
>balance and restitution
my ass. he's trying to terrorize us into giving him something he can't get for himself but must be given.
>We aren't Valyrian
but we _are_ Maznareon, fully within our rights to grant merciful deaths to our own
>If we had any Targs with us we'd probably be already dead
we'd be already dead if we didn't have something he wants
we must find out what that is, the legalistic stuff and the name thing are important because this is a world where forms are important, but what I am really after is for this thing to say plainly what it wants
may not look like it, but it's trying to negotiate

>>6402622
I support autistic demand for rules.

>>6402695
>Support

The debts of the valaryians, we have prevented being fulfilled.
However your honour, The God's evidently could have made them truly deathless. They left this exception in place, and now after killing 11 of my Latterborn and ruining my ladies ship, you have the gall to say I owe for the natural function of the exception?
You protest too much.

>>6402820
>Oh, and pray that the Seven faced grants us aid.

It might be nothing but it's also as good a chance as one can hope.

>Lead the charge, lead the charge to try and kill this creature before everything is lost.

>>6402823
it could come to that anyway

Look all I'm saying is that it's 1 monster against competent fighters. WITH vs. It's a classic dinosaur vs human debate. It doesn't matter how big a Dinosaur is against more that 3 humans its fucked.

Now we know this fucker is lying. Because not only do the 7 who are one NOT do shit. They hate magic. So he'd kill us for that instead of the whole bloodline thing. Its obviously a bitch ass monster that's trying to play with our head.

>>6402821
>>6402818
I don't think praying to any god will help us. After all, we are speaking to something that seems to be the representation of many gods and one, the god of death. Anything we pray to it will probably take the face of, and falling back to the seven will amuse it at best. We gotta take charge of our own destiny like a good wizard does

>>6402821
>>6402824
I think asking the gods for help is the only chance. The demon and its nearby fellows (no fat chance in this hell hole that he is alone and no other demons can be called), want to enforce an extremely unfair contract. We need any help if anyone divine is looking at this shit. This are the same guys that probably put the word end to most expeditions to Valyria (even if clearly expeditions before the Latterborn one where done exceptionally badly since NONE of them survived, and none of them had someone organize, study or prepare equipment for it. But it also mean all of them if they also encountered demons that offered them a deal ALL said "No this terms are shit", because if they accepted those terms then the demons would want those deals to be done by the mortals. This includes our two mad ancestors Tommen and Tytos, that where after glory and riches and had 0 issues in having people dying for them. Which kinda says a lot).

>>6402819
We weren't Maznareon when we were handing out the death, only became one when we got around to killing the patriarch.

You might be right tho, it hasn't killed us all yet and obviously wants something, and getting it to reveal information will be useful in more ways than one.

I still feel like it is unwise to flatly say we are the heirs of a dragonlord. I don't want to give it an extra reason to hurt us.

>>6402825
Most dinosaurs didn't have swords made out of darkness though. Gotta be worth at least, I dunno, 8 humans. At least.

>>6402827
One thing to keep in mind is that the Faceless Men don't really represent many faiths. They just co-opt every deity into their own religion. This is partly so they can enter the theological zeitgeist of any place across the world to do their business and to create an air of welcoming and openness to their house of black and white. They are a murder cult with only one god, claiming to be many, wearing their faces just like the assassin zealots that practice the faith do. They are also on occasion hypocritical, since despite their claims that killing is a sacred act that they do at the behest of their god, they still do it for money and various secular and material resources.

Basically the claims that they represent many gods is just as much of a lie as the claims they only kill because their god points at their target.

This is however a unique scenario. Since we can assume that it is indeed acting on behalf of the gods given the sheer amount of horrific curses that struck Valyria. Or it is co-opting such optics for its own purposes since the gods have already blasted this land to their own satisfaction and have left. Kind of a coin toss, eh?

Though it is using a sword made of shadows it doesn't seem to be using any sorcerous abilities besides the shapeshifting. That also tracks with the skillsets Faceless Men are known to have. If this thing does want us dead, the fact it isn't straight up attacking us means it realizes there is a chance it might be bested by our combined efforts as it no longer has the element of surprise. So it wants the ship to sink since that would certainly spell our end. And it has all the time in the world to wait here while we die that way. Alternatively, it DOES want something from us, and it is giving us the chance to speak by not killing us so long as we remain still and do not attempt to leave, perhaps because it is tasked specifically with killing anyone who tries to escape Valyria, but it also is aware of some limitation in its task and sees a word as a way to get it.

Oh, right, or it's just a fuckass demon and it's just a sadist that wants to watch us simultaneously drown and boil to death.

>>6402827
I don't trust this demon to be a proper representative of the gods and more importantly the gods where clearly fine with what Jason did in the Maznareon Manse. We didn't suddenly get fully cursed or the manse didnt fall upon us when doing the honor killing, or when the Maznareon Patriarch magically gifted us some of his magic has thanks. Everything that happened afterwards was done by demons.

I think we should ask for help and see if some of the gods are willing to throw something our way. They cannot all agree that what its being done to the Latterborn here is fair. Already demons get away with killing all expeditions that come here, and i strongly doubt any of them mercy killed and freed valyrians souls.

>We gotta take charge of our own destiny like a good wizard does
We gotta try and survive with anything, we are not even a true wizard. We have studied some stuff but by all accounts we are an apprentice in the mysteries still. They also had in check a powerful mage.

>>6402836
bruh link your vote

Sorry forgor>>6402823
I'm changing my vote
>pray to the gods THEN charge. Sorry again

>>6402832
it probably knows that already?

anyway, I'm for trying to get it to spell out what it wants, the name challenge is just to try and gain extra information like possibly its true name if it has one

>>6402839
Alright that's better but we'll keep working on it in the future kek

>>6402828
>>6402839
we are still in Valyrian territorial waters, as it were, the Doom in other words
gods apparently hate everyone and everything in here, even the monsters seem to be in pain
so what I'm saying is we might amuse them briefly by praying, or annoy them
not worth the risk

Ny point is that is is literally the furthest point to the power of the seven who are one. Its like somebody showing up in westros saying there an avatar of the black goat of qoruthi. Or whatever the nepollese wale hunters worship. Its so far from where they should be Its highly improbable.

>>6402802
>It has not revealed its name, meaning it doesn't want to, meaning it has power.
IRL folklore and goetic demonology doesn't apply here. If this is a servant of or aspect of the God of death, or a demon, or a powerful ghost, which has styled itself after the Faceless Men, it would not identify itself with a name because they don't do so themselves - it may not even have a name at all. Assuming it has a name, and that knowing it would allow us to command or rebuke it, isn't really helpful unless there is some source in the ASOIAF lore that backs it up.
>holy water is worth a try
I have never seen the term 'holy water' appear in any context inside of ASOIAF that I can recall, and I don't know that the faith of the seven practices the blessing of water or that doing so imparts any real magical potency.

>>6402825
Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy, and Arthur Dayne have all canonically won fights of 5+ to 1 if I remember right. I think if we fight it, we may survive, but our best two fighters are both severely injured. I'd be surprised if they didn't both die. Asha, Gerion, and Sarella wouldn't all three survive either. Probably half the remaining islanders would die, a few might even jump ship if we lead a charge.

Look Jaime and the others only won because its a bunch of no skilled nobodies. Literally brigands. This is more like 5 jaimes vs 1 robbert

>>6402873
None of the fighters we have are as skilled as jamie except Dara (our brother is a generational talent) and we are facing a demon that made 10 of our crew into wood varnish and decoration. We aint winning in a fight

>>6402875
>We aint winning in a fight

I don't think QM is enough of a cunt to give us a deliberate trap option. I think we'll win the fight and get the demon to fuck off, but it'd be a deeply pyrrhic victory and cost us a lot more than we're willing to lose.

>>6402878
Or worse, the demon simply kills and maims enough of us to make Jason agree to whatever its terms are instead of being able to negotiate from a less dire position. Like the fact that the thing is taking the time to talk at all shows it has deeper intentions than just our deaths.

>>6402712
>>6402705
>>6402695
+1 to going with the leganese route, BUT I got another argument we could make

Hear me out: If Valyria and their natives were cursed and victims to the God's wrath, then that means Valyria would be some kind of a prison, right? But we're able to get in and out.

If us, as explorers, didn't died while trying to get into Valyria, doesn't that mean the Gods see us as fit to also leave? If the will of the gods is to punish, if not outright Kill everyone that's in this cursed lands, that means that the whole expedition would've died the first day, maybe just by entering.

Life's were lost and also claimed by the cursed Lands, we already paid our price by trespassing, because if not, everyone would've died earlier. The fact that he killed the guards and the Islanders as we were getting out, by this Faceless man hand, means he's indebted to us, if they were to day, maybe at the end of the canal or something this place would've claimed their lives, but it was this guy.

tl;dr If Valyria wanted us dead we could've died while entering, instead, the party died during the expedition. The Faceless Man coming here and getting our men and woman kill, instead of Valyria choosing our fate, means he charged lives that weren't his to take, which means he owes us

>>6402847
Hmmm, in that case...
Fuck it, just go even further and call upon aid from The Others
"In the name of the Cold Gods of Night and Winter, I banish you!"

>>6402873
Our two very best fighters would both lose a 2v1 against Jaime, he would kill Humfrey and Dara very quickly and possibly without taking a scratch. Right now they are both critically injured. We are barely better than brigands in this situation.
>>6402875
We would be able to kill it, I don't think QM would make that one of our limited options if it was an automatic loss. So idunno, we would win - but we would get hosed, too, multiple deaths guaranteed, and we need all hands to sail.

>>6402904
>squad wiped
>Jason becomes a cocksleeve for a demon lord
>reverse harem quest
>expectations successfully subverted

>>6402904
I don't think having only 2 options is in any way a guarantee of success. Like the options are there to move the story, and defeat is a learning experience that would develop Jason

>>6402904
I also reject the idea that Jamie would wipe dara and Humphrey in a 2 vs 1.

Humphrey he could probably come out on top.
But Dara is an archer, with an anti-armour bow, and a warhammer guy running interference.
With valaryian instruments.

>>6402695>>6402839
Fuck just reread thar write in and uts fire.
>>6402695 supporting this option instead

>>6402930
Well, Jaime is no archer, I think at range he would be mopped by Dara, as would most.
But in a melee, even if they do each have one piece of Valyrian gear (and we haven't decided which of them gets what, if anything), I do still think he is just faster and more skilled, would very likely just mop them. We don't have many feats for either of them yet, but I think we'd know by now if they had the kind of juice he packs.

>>6402945
In GOT, even the best fighter is subject to conditional events.
Arthur dayne got his cheeks clapped by a backstab, despite wiping 10 men on the go.

And armour/weapons make for a very big modifying factor on a fighter. Man with armour will ignore some swords, and just swat.

Give humphrey his hammer and a valaryian armour, he could probably do in Jamie.
My main contention is that it isn't a no diff

>>6402948
Well, if either of them are wearing Valyrian armor that certainly would change the calculus significantly, sure.

>>6402949
Barristan selmy saying he would cut through the kingsguard like butter is because they are all nepotism hires.

Not because they were peer fighters of unusual skill.
If they were, he'd have to work for it
At even gear and preferences, Jamie probably wins. But difficult.

>>6402622
>>6402695
+1

>>6402948
>cheeks clapped
God I hate you fucking nerds

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>>6402624
little thing

>>6402873
>10 Latterborn left on watch in order for everyone to have a shift of sleep now crumpled heaps of flesh, leaving the expedition down to a mere 16 people.
>One of the Summer Islanders ran to try and get to the wheel, then dropped dead as a shadowy blade pierced their heart.
15vs1 (for now)

The demon cut Latterborn to pieces and also ruined the ship. All in a quick manner, and without a single part of it looking wounded. Not sure he would have a human comparison.

>>6402989
That's rad. If only a volcano would erupt again and throw a chunk of rock directly, perfectly, into this things face and get it the fuck outta here without hitting the ship at all.

>>6402989
Extremely based art
Plus also, agreed. Appreciate the other anon's optimism, but I think the analogy is way off.
1 prime Jaime would beat 1 prime Robert, and I don't think anyone in our small inner circle is within spitting distance of Jaime in melee (though it seems Dara is as talented of an archer as Jaime is a swordsman, at least), let alone all five of us. Plus Humfrey only has one good arm, and is recovering from blood loss, while Dara only has one good leg, and is recovering from blood loss. Plus all of us are more exhausted than not, I'm sure. Asha is gonna be great, but at this point in her life she couldn't put up a real fight against Oberyn, who would also lose a 1v1 with Jaime.
Just not a very good hand...

I am fascinated by everyone identifying that the demon could have just sunk the ship outright or killed us all without a word (as a mortal Faceless Man generally does), but has seemingly deliberately put us on our back foot in order to extract something from us. I do think it's notable that this thing popped up on our way out, and am suspecting as others are that it wants to get free.
It makes sense that Jason's VS link would give him enough of a cursory familiarity to notice how this is kinda off.

>>6403005
I’m gonna be honest, I do not think Jaime Lannister could beat Prime Robert. Most due to poor match up. Cause Robert is recorded as having been like the warrior himself made flesh, the Demon of the trident, and he bested another accomplished swordsman in Rhaegar.

Jaime has never been described like this, so honestly think Prime Robert would win.

>>6402989
Holy hell that’s so cool! Thanks Anon! Going in my folder.

>>6403028
>Jaime has never been described like this, so honestly think Prime Robert would win.
That's fair enough, though I would contend that outside of the books GRRM has consistently put Jaime above Robert, but maybe that's because he is always talking about swordsmen and not 'fighters' in a more general sense.
All of this deliberation is just action figure smacking tho, the other anon is essentially correct that even Arthur Dayne can (and did) lose a fight to an inferior if he takes his eye off the ball, or they get lucky.

>>6403031
just like in real life, jumping a motherfucker wins most fights if you jump em right.

Also going to call the vote here, looking like the legal route is the route we wanna take.

Go ahead and post any further arguments you have for it, cause it may be slow for me to write the full update since this will likely be the last update within the doom.

Also post anything you guys might wanna see before the end of the expedition

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>>6402995
>That's rad. If only a volcano would erupt again and throw a chunk of rock directly, perfectly, into this things face and get it the fuck outta here without hitting the ship at all.
As you wish, my fellow anon..... heard it's flying chunk of rock season today!

>>6403005
>Just not a very good hand...
Yeah, though I do wonder if it could ever be fought in better conditions for us. If we could have a better hand, so to speak. Probably not, too smart for an inhuman creature.

>>6403028
Np, I like your quest. Though I am just doing quick stuff with the draw function of the site. I could do more, but I am already making other stuff in other quests. Maybe further on, when I have some time.

>>6403036
Absolutely fucking based.

>>6403034
I'd argue that the suffering and pain we, outsiders, have felt from coming here should also be taken into its consideration for its calculus. Being that we were not meant to suffer from Valyria's curse in the first place that makes our suffering disproportionate. Like a bystander being trampled because some fool struck the elephant driving his palanquin in the eye. The injustice of it makes the woe far greater than it otherwise would have been. Even IF we accrued a debt via our actions in ignorance, the agonies inflicted upon us already should contribute to paying off the alleged debt. Especially because some of our people have died without accruing said debt. Which means we have been unfairly punished even BEFORE an alleged debt was incurred.

I would also like to see Godzilla emerge from the sea. Skreeonk.

Also I am randomly reminded of an anon saying last thread about Jason winding up being a sort of counterpart to Euron. And I imagine Jason having one of his eyes damaged or lost that makes him wear an eyepatch opposite of Euron's crow-eye. Which was a funny thought. And naturally the wizard rap battle they would get into as wizzas do.

>>6403034
The standards the gods can apply are thus;
Arbitrary, in which there's no reasoning with you and you would have just killed us already. or it's innocuous, or whatever, we can't actually plan or anticipate a price made up on a whim.

Countermeasure to the crime. If we stole the family of Maznareon from the gods of this place [the patriarch said 14 and 1, so I assume 15?] you have already extracted the death toll. death for death, even if the original living figure was required to live for eternity in pain to pay back their debts. Not our debt.
also raises an interesting point that the God of this land cannot touch the dead, only the living. or mostly living anyway.

He might buff those numbers with the dead ash spawn that we killed to escape. . which should carry a lower cost to repay. Because punishment for self defence is a modern concept refined in primary schools.

as a side note again, he said "this gift was done with kindness" and seems to really focus on the house stuff so. . .*shrug*

I have more ideas but I'm having trouble writing them out

>>6403034
Teaser for whatever kind of abomination could take down an abomination. Corrupted Firewyrm from the volcanoes. Moar abominations/chimera. We didn't get to see them much this trip. A big ass corrupted kraken that Asha neatly saved us from running into an entire pissed off nest of.

I also want to point out-
>>6402705
>>6402712
>>6402760
>>6402815
>>6402819
>>6402890
That all make valid points in terms of the debating with the demon.

The demon is clearly also binded by some restrictions hence why we are all alive and it didn't just outright sink the ship or kill us all in our sleep or some shit like that. It also clearly wants something from us which is why its trying to bluff and intimidate us to trick us into giving it what it is actually after.

Our problem is we don't really know what the specific restrictions it is under are, besides the obvious fact that, like every other demon in the world, it isn't allowed to leave its domain. This is common sense in this world. However we outright know that outsiders are not under the same restrictions that natives are under which is why we are not under the same curses. Even IF they outright get adopted by the natives into their own House to revive it no less(thank you Undead Dragonlord for proving this). Otherwise Jason would have gotten smited/cursed like the natives did/are. Hence we know the demon is obviously bluffing we just don't know the specifics of its restrictions and need to call it out on its bullshit while trying to pull out the legalese and ritualism via proper declaration of true emissary and divine judgement which we know we won't be effected by because otherwise we already would have been cursed already like the natives are.

So we need to drag it into a debate and try not to let it find any loopholes that enable it to bypass its usual restrictions. By hunting down intruders or killing those trying to escape an open confrontation with it. Obviously getting drawn into a Duel or Pact is a both a terrible idea but we know the Gods don't consider us guilty as the native Valyrians nor are we held liable for them. Hence debating.

>>6403040
I'll admit I am REALLY curious about the extremophile ecosystem of Valyria. It's clearly classified under Volcanic and Acidic based environment. Both of which exist IRL. Too bad we were too busy dodging curses and other horrors to get a look at how the actual living things in Valyria survived this whole time. Ignoring magical bullshit, of course. Like fuck man, that shit is cooler than the Ashlands.

>>6403051
*take down a dragon.

>>6403045
Given the Valyrian magical tomes/treasures gifted to him by the undead Dragonlord, the magical aftereffects of Valyria, and the undead Dragonlord's parting gifts(it transferred SOMETHING to Jason upon its death). Jason's magick is definitely gonna be something far worse and more twisted than what you would normally expect from a warlock and his fondness for BUILDING. Euron might be one twisted radical son of a bitch but Jason's magick is like entering the forbidden city of Stygai or the buried cities of the Deep Ones in the Jade Sea Islands and successfully escaping with your life with a bunch of loot and special blessing with gifts from a native. Your magick ain't gonna be normal after that. Especially his being so heavily tainted with such potent divine curses and 'blessed' by undeath.

Honestly it would make Euron jelly as fuck but Euron sure as fuck ain't suicidal or insane enough to visit any of the places that the Mad Lion went to, much less acquiring the 'blessings' from there, although he would certainly lie about visiting and looting its treasures. It is true that among the Ironborn he would be considered Euron's counterpart but among the few who know the magickal arts, they would consider the Mad Lion far more dangerous and insane than Euron. Euron might be a Warlock but Euron isn't on the same level as whatever the fuck the Mad Lion is. Who directly entreated with the worst that Valyria had to offer and accepted its Adoption. Even committing the right nightmarish rituals and accepting the blessings of its accursed natives. Really the only line that Jason hasn't outright crossed was the Blood Magick but instead arguably replaced with Undeath.

Undeath is very much a forbidden/lost art in the world but that is likely the special reward the Dragonlord gave Jason for upholding the House Maznareon given the blatant risks involved with such an accursed Valyrian House. Especially if he later transfers one of his offspring directly to it to revive it fully.

Ok have been brushing up.

Let's assume this is a demon that serves the Many-Faced-God, as we know Valyria is overrun with demons and that this is part of their punishment for their torment of the slaves. What this creature is saying confirms the Faceless Man belief, outlined in the books, that the slaves of Valyria all prayed for the mercy of death to the same God, just in different incarnations. Fascinating implication here being that the Drowned God is said to be one of those incarnations.

So we know he considers death to be a gift, and one that was purposefully denied to the dragonlords of Valyria - to suffer the worst agonies of life eternally.

But... *ALL MEN MUST DIE* And so our fulfilling of their mortality may have displeased the Many-Faced God, but it honors him also. Black and white.

I think calling the demon out on its attempt to appear as the Many-Faced God and as autist-anon pointed out, our complicated placement inside the parameters of the Doom and it's affiliated curses, is a good way to lead and perhaps get ourselves out of a pinch.

However! We could therefore argue that, if we dishonored the Many-Faced God by granting the mercy of death where it was denied, restitution in the form of deaths for our crew is inadequate. The demon is throwing a tantrum.

A proper repayment would be for us to grant the mercy of death to one that has unnaturally avoided it. Like a priestess of R'hllor who has prolonged her life, or someone returned to life by one of their priestesses, or some other misguided warlock. Maybe, if it comes down to it, we could argue that killing one such person would be an appropriate repayment?

>>6403062
>it would make Euron jelly as fuck
Yeah Euron is a poser and a biter. It's heavily implied he faked his trip to Valyria, he drinks those gay potions all the time to juice himself, and he just has no sauce. He approaches wizardry like a reaver, because that's what he is. An uneducated brute that steals the shit he wants instead of cultivating it.
Jason now has Valyrian magic in his system, which will surely open some of the doors that Danny is able to walk through during her journey. Maybe we will be impervious to drowning. We'll very probably be able to 'bond' with whatever is in that egg. We'll almost certainly be able to light glass candles or perform other basic magical feats that the sauceless Westerosi conjurers have to spend many years to attempt. Euron may even be able to detect the mystic properties of our blood. If we leave here with even half a dozen witnesses to our standing up to a demon, Euron may actually, begrudgingly submit to us.

>>6403034
- A pack of Chimeric Steel "Dogs"
- The remaining crew working together against the horryfying odds after having to deal with a demon/losing half of the men and getting the Iron Lion damaged
- More Corrupted/Ruined Valyrian Structures seen from distance or near us
- Fire and Lava !
- Other demons (from afar because this fucker is already enough)
- Some other monsters/horrors (probably mostly low tier ones since we have never got near anywhere near a city or in other islands. We only where in an external island and in the manse of the Maznareon family)
- Last Ancient Lannisters sight (a dread end for the damned few that managed to escape the Outpost [we get to learn how it ended there in the Outpost, and how the deserters that escaped from it ultimately failed to survive as well. Instead of a journal, we somehow find a few pages of written madness, fear and desperation. We will never know about Tytos or Tommen full faith. But this way we close the expedition and the chapter about Ancient Lannisters more properly])
- End with surviving a storm, krakens and other sea creatures
- Classic get up in the morning in the normal sea, with sunlight, placid waves and wind, croaks and squeaks of the winged most annoying beasts of the sea, with the Iron Lion severely damaged while a Volantene fisher goes "Whaaaat ?" from its little fishing ship

>>6403068
*full fate err

>>6403068
In alternative i would swap that end with something more somber (lot of people lost in the expedition so a silent moment of mourning/honoring could be done after having survived), or a last reminder of the dangers and evil of Doomed Valyria.

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>>6403068
>QM: What are some things you'd like to see on your voyage out of Valyria?
>Anon: 55 chimera 55 curses 55 ash wights 100 ruins 100 skeletons 100 boiling seas 50 krakens 55 demons 55 volcanoes 100 gho-

>>6403067
Euron will only pretend to submit grudgingly thinking he can steal whatever gave us such power and later backstab us. The issue is our power came directly from ripping it directly from Doomed Valryia itself and performing certain metal as fuck rituals and related pacts with intelligent and sane undead accursed natives there. We didn't get hit with the whole blood magick bit because there was literally no blood to take. Keep in mind our magick was trash tier before Valyria. We just performed the right rituals that roused the slumbering but still sane undead. That we struck a pact with in exchange for further rituals and gifts. If he actually believes what we say on how we got it he would shit himself in terror. As intelligent undead are completely unheard of. Much less in Valyria.
The undead Dragonlord is unlikely to be able to really juice up our blood much on account of being undead now compared to what it could do while alive but it certainly can do a whole lot more than that on account of being undead and no longer being weakened by having to protect its family. Plus, whatever it did exactly to ensure the revival of its House. There had to be some kind of insurance it left in play since it would know we wouldn't be that willing ignore our old identity. Us having any spare children we have...well whose to say we wouldn't pass on Maznereon House to them? In which case, it would need to leave some contingency for that and something to tempt us to go through with it to complete the revival.
Jason does have Valyrian magick in him but it would be twisted by Doomed Valyria and tainted with undeath from the undead Dragonlord however keep in mind its potency and it's BEFORE the Red Comet. The good news is we are not native, so we won't get hit by the full backlash downside is the unknown ramifications of such twisted magick and the 'gift' from the undead Dragonlord. We should avoid the magicks and actions that pissed off the Gods so much, though. Like Valyrian Blood Magick. Fuck that shit...might get stuck with necromancy though as a 'gift' from the undead Dragonlord. That will be the extremely good shit and not the trash that exists elsewhere. Nobody else knows how to make undead let alone intelligent/sane variants.

>>6403082
>Jason does have Valyrian magick in him but it would be twisted by Doomed Valyria and tainted with undeath from the undead Dragonlord however keep in mind its potency and it's BEFORE the Red Comet.
I am gonna wait for the QM to say something to indicate that whatever the dragonlord imparted upon us by his adoption is 'twisted' by the Doom or 'tainted' by undeath. Right now, we just know he was made a living Maznareon, and while we don't know anything about the house, we know Valyrian dragonlords had hereditary magic that manifests in a number of subtle ways - dragon dreams, resistance to fire, the ability to command loyalty from dragons, etc. We don't know anything about that being cursed in some way because of its provenance here, all of this is unprecedented. Interesting food for thought, though.

>>6403084
>dragon dreams

It'd be REALLY FUNNY if we ended up becoming a Dragon Dreamer; really put the "Mad" in Mad Lion.

>>6403087
To me it seems like one of the likelier and more mild possible byproducts of our adoption, but something cool about QM's choice here is that pre-Doom Valyria is so mysterious now, the field is wide open for what's possible. The Maznareon's might have been a much more prominent and powerful house than Targaryen, for example, with much more potent blood, or maybe smaller and less imposing, less gifted. Only time will tell!

>>6403084
Parts of Valryian magick survived outside of Valyria just not the stuff everyone wanted. The undead Dragonlord was definitely some kind of powerful necromancer in life before undeath. As he turned one of his family members who got infected with the chimeric worm blood magick plague into an undead, rather than suffer like that before forcing his family into slumber and kept them from being puppeted by the demons like the ashwights. So it's a safe bet at least one of those books is about necromancy and given that they were a coastal Dragonlord house with Salt and Sulphur indicates they didn't specialize as heavily in traditional Dragonlord pursuits. On account of the distinct lack of Blood and Fire.

Which does mean that there is a very good chance there is something very valuable for Asha within those tomes too. Given their mutual salt reference and likely specialty in sailing. Dragonlord hereditary magick is more Varlyrian related stuff if we inherit or especially if our children do will be most telling. The whole intelligent undead thing is entirely unprecedented, though. Like goddamn, that necromancer tome is gonna be fucking legendary. Having that kind of power and knowledge to it. Of course their last Dragonlord could of been a total oddball but I want that damned necromantic tome damn it. Something so incredible it could beat off two...no three of the greatest perils of Doomed Valyria despite being a native and under the harshest restrictions.

>>6403087
We went to Valyria, survived, and had a successful expedition. Anyone and everyone is gonna be calling us a crazy son of a bitch and a Mad Lion especially when the crew starts talking about the shit we pulled off. Of the entirety of the crew we were the craziest one of them all with the stunts we were pulling off. Gerion was the most suicidal but he wasn't the one waking up undead dragonlord with a ritual and ritualized mercy killings of their families before getting adopted or challenging a demon to a debate while their ship was crippled that just slaughtered half their remaining men.

>>6403090
When we read the books we'll know. The Targs weren't a very powerful House at all they just had a wise lord and a good daughter who warned what was coming so they left ahead of time. The Targs themselves were actually quite low on the Valyrian totem pole in terms of their Hierarchy. The only dragons they had were war dragons and they were lacking in Valyrian steel armaments.

>>6403063
Another point is that our crew had nothing to do with Jason granting the mercy of death to the Maznareon family. That was 100% Jason. If the demon tries to say that the crew killed ash wights while running to the boat, then point out that the ancient Lannister soldiers who killed wights in self defense were not punished by this demon. Justice is not supposed to arbitrarily pick and choose favorites.

>>6403034
Hmm, we never got to see the Stonemen, and I think someone last thread said that there might be "humans" who live in Oros or something?
So far, the only creatures we've seen are worms, ghost/zombies, and a very scary demon.
It'd be interesting to see how people (albeit mutated and cursed) managed to survive in Valyria or the surrounding region.

>>6403082
Since Asha is his niece, Euron might try to just make Jason a regular ally and claim that the two are equals rather than submit. It'd be easy to say that the two could accomplish far more by working together.
Jason has already married into the Greyjoy family. His children will be part Greyjoy, but also... part Maznareon? That's a tempting thing to keep around rather than alienate if Euron wants more power for himself.

>>6403067
>Maybe we will be impervious to drowning
Nah I don't think that would ever happen. Even if Jason got some magic sauce in em attuned to water. Keep in mind, Valyrians still burn to death. Not even with dragonfire or wildfire but with regular fire. They can withstand a shitload more head than normal humans, but they are noted as not being impervious to flame. Dany was a special case since it's heavily implied she turned the funeral pyre ritual into an actual dragon birthing ritual which protected her even more from fire in that specific instance.

I'd say you couldn't boil a Valyrian to death, which is sitting just over 200 degrees Fahrenheit. But fire as a chemical reaction, the "normal kind", burns at around a thousand, nearly five times as hot. Keeping in mind Aerea was literally cooked to death from the inside.

>>6403068
>>6403079
>"I'd like one order of turbotrauma. Oh and add existential dread, please."

>>6403090
The Targs were notably a minor house. There were likely even more minor houses besides them. Considering the placement of their manse on the outer regions of the peninsula and distance from a population center the Maznareon's were likely also minor, but how so in relation to the Targs I couldn't speculate. I can assume they served different functions, since the Targs seemed to be a warrior dynasty first and foremost. I'd imagine the Mazzes were explorers or messengers.

>>6403095
>ancient Lannister soldiers who killed wights in self defense were not punished by this demon
Well, to be fair, we don't know that for sure, some of them might have been.
>>6403095
>the two could accomplish far more by working together.
You may just be right, anon, though the more I think of it the more I believe he will continue to be a reav-tard about it and try to figure out a way to take the Mazzy sauce from us and infuse it into himself in some kind of sacrificial ritual. That's definitely the Euron play.

I am also now considering that, if what this demon is saying/demonstrating has some merit, it technically confirms that the Drowned God REALLY IS an aspect of the Many-Faced God. As such, Asha's heritage may potentially hold some sway? Hard to say.

>>6403095
Euron is extremely power hungry and Asha wants him dead too. He also raped his brother's wife and kills Balon. So he would be extremely deceitful like expecting Littlefinger to not stab you in the back. I don't really see it happening unless Asha changes her mind and Jason accidentally intimidates him into total scared shitless submission.

I too wish we could visit Oros but maybe that would be our next trip. We need more men and better gear for our next expedition anyway. I don't want to lose a ton of men due to a fucking razor storm because we didn't bring heavy enough armour to keep our guys from being flayed alive to death.

>>6403097
I agree the Targs were likely a warrior House and rather low ranking one at that. They lack any tomes of the better Valyrian magicks, key industries/secrets, or other vital assets. The only dragons they had were war dragons. They didn't even have any Valyrian Steel Armour despite being a warrior house.

I wouldn't underestimate Maznareon's. I doubt they are a high level House as the high ranking sailing Houses would be closer to the shipping channels if that were the case but sailing brings immense wealth and resources and is an unusual specialty to have in Valyria. They are definitely higher than Targs on account of superior magicks and gear(see Necromancy and Dragon Steel Armour). It is likely they also weren't limited to just war dragons as hinted with the egg.

Maznareon's Manse location likely had to do with their obscure specialties. Salt and Sulphur doesn't go along with traditional Valyrian pursuits, much less necromancy. Even with their sailing specialty, their obscure specialties meant they wouldn't be able to compete with the big boys who would no doubt dominate the main shipping passages. So they wouldn't be high ranking but I don't think they are that low ranking either. Especially with how strong a necromancer their Dragonlord was before the Doom.

>>6403105
>because we didn't bring heavy enough armour to keep our guys from being flayed alive to death.
And yet, if they wore plate or scaled armor thick enough to shatter dragonglass (which, frankly, it seems obsidian has magic properties in ASOIAF that it doesn't have IRL, so that might mean REALLY tough but I don't know, maybe it's still really brittle but sharper?) they wouldn't be able to hike more than a handful of miles even under good conditions, and they wouldn't be able to carry provisions, camping supplies, or any loot we pick up. Probably no way around razor wind unless we are just sightseeing.

>>6403107
Certain kinds of medium and all heavy armour should be good enough to keep them from getting flayed to death. Splint and lammelar would also work. Just needs enough metal to not get ripped shreds with the person wearing it. Without better armor deeper expeditions are gonna be a nightmare. Another thing is acid rain. Valyrian Islands aren't too deep and the masks that is required to stay alive are already stifling/required. But better than breathing in toxic gas or microglass. Not to mention the special tents needed to eat and store supplies.

Not to mention glass is fragile, we just need armour that is hard enough not to get shredded by the glass. Also keep in mind even Jason was using platemail just find and didn't have a problem. Obviously, we cannot afford to give everyone platemail but the armour Asha was using wasn't good enough to survive razor wind and thus Jason had to use himself as a shield to keep her alive. Lighter armour simply isn't viable.

Funny part about Valyria armour isn't meant to protect you against the enemy but rather the environment itself. Masks to protect you against toxic gas(I bet the maesters and alchemist/poison makers got some great designs) and microglass. Special layered tents to eat, resupply, and protect supplies in fortified containers. Armour to protect against the weather hazards actively trying to kill you.

>>6403112
>armour that is hard enough not to get shredded by the glass
Right, that means heavier, like I said
>Jason was using platemail just find and didn't have a problem
My reading of it wasn't that he did his hiking and camp set up in full plate kek

>>6403105
Well the fact they had a manse instead of a spire also speaks to lacking influence. Since height is used figuratively and literally to display your position amongst "lesser" people. Even moreso when you consider that dragons fly so having an elevated position benefits their usage. As for the talk of them having necromancy, that's just speculation. Possible but unknown. It could just be that the curse they got shackled with was to tie them to their homes which psychologically broke most of them into being completely unmoving. People react funny to trauma, and one of the ways people do that is stillness under pain, after a point you just accept it and give up and wait for it to stop. This behavior has also been observed in rats and mice under testing. After hundreds of years of not moving some of them might have completely forgotten how to move at all.

We don't know nothin. Gotta wait til we get home and read their books if we can. Those would likely illuminate us on what they got up to.

>>6403107
Honestly just carrying an iron shield would probably be enough. A wooden shield would be enough but it'd get chipped away at and fail eventually. And armor isn't all that heavy, really. At least in terms of how it fatigues you. Well tailored armor distributes the weight very well so it's easier to wear. Which is also part of the reason why chainmail can feel heavier than it is if you don't cinch it correctly since all the weight ends up lying on your shoulders which wears your back out faster. Keeping in mind that chainmail is still pretty heavy.

The heaviest thing you tend to feel are armored boots. Since you lift from your hips going down with your legs as a lever it means the furthest point feels more weight than the nearer points. So picking up your feet with five or ten pounds on your feet feels like way more than thirty or even fifty pounds on your hips. That's why a lot of medieval kit that you wear on foot has leather boots or wrapped shoes. It's a comfort thing. Whilst on horseback you just wear the heaviest shit you got.

>>6403121
The manse was located in a rural area because we avoided population density and for all we know it could have just been their rural retreat. Which I think is likely given the lack of dragon eggs. Even the Targs had quite a few stocked up. So a spire strictly speaking was more common in urban areas for Valyria as easy access for dragonriders. Like I mentioned they weren't high ranking otherwise they would be living in a much better location but they were definitely better off than the Targs were given their goodies.

The undead dragonlord knowing necromancy is fact given what he was able to do. Otherwise I don't know see how could have known that kind of magic and accomplished what he did. As for the other books...who knows. Probably some odd stuff as at first glance they don't fit within stereotypical Valyrian tastes. Hopefully some good stuff besides the necromancy.

The iron shield would need to be big enough to hide behind. Mail probably not the best against razor wind. Scale would be better. Doesn't need to be heavy just hard enough to get not get ripped to shreds by glass. Somehow, I have a feeling ashwights can survive those razor storms. Getting attacked during razor wind would be a real problem.

>>6403118
Properly fitted armour really doesn't weigh that much because the weight is nicely distributed around your body also doesn't slow you down much and you remain agile.

>>6403121
>>6403129
Thirty pounds is thirty pounds, guys. It might be evenly applied and allow for agile movement, and might feel more like twenty, but it's still there and still requiring more energy and exertion to move. In a battle that's not the end of the world. But we're talking about backpacking and hiking, where famously, ounces become pounds. Thirty pounds of carrying capacity on attire is thirty that can't be used on everything else without being too encumbered to maintain agility and endurance and a decent pace.

The Mad Lion, The Demon and his Bridge, Part One

In the Seven Kingdoms, there existed a full Pride of Lions. They were struck with disgrace and sorrow, as the mother of the cubs laid death after great struggle

Two cubs joined the pride, a short and stout one, hideous the people said, and a perfectly normal one, with a golden mane. The normal cub didn't stood out like their brothers and sister, he was rather dull, not even worth a whisper. Little did the Seven Kingdoms knew, he was going to stand out like sore thumb

He hit his Wife on the day of the wedding, a rowdy squid he loved. Then escaped his father, to dig his nose on tomes for years without troubles. And then, he embarked on a foolish errand, bringing his stout brother, her wife, and any allies he could drag.

He finally arrived at Volantis, catching the tail of the Laughing Lion, right before he made something radical. Soon, they went to Hell itself, navigating the acid waters, avoiding being an easy prey.

What was a small group came back only a handful, not even half of the crew was spared from a cruel destiny, the one they were told about. A foolish task it was, indeed, but a well paid at last, a legacy of recklessness was built, as from that day onwards, the cub was named The Mad Lion

The Mad Lion fed himself with ash, put undead to rest from their eternal trap, gaining access to treasures not ever seen by Men Then when fleeing the Doom, they were attacked, a malicious demon, ready to skin them alive. But the Mad Lion, instead of brandishing his claws of fangs, pointed an accusing finger, leaving everyone surprised.

"You fool! How dare you to proclaim you are collecting a tab?! In this forsaken soil, in these deadly waters, on this cursed land?!" Said the Mad Lion. Fury cursed through his veins, spewing the most foul of smokes, the rest of the crew was paralyzed, as if a set of wings and a tail he suddenly grew. "You must be drunk, oh Little Cub, for you entered foreign lands, without paying the toll. Now I'm here to collect, what's due for the Gods, I don't want no gold, only your precious skulls"

The Earth itself groaned, the volcanoes were set aflame, seeing such a deadly creature acting this way, made all the Gods feel shame. "Why should I pay anything, you loathsome thief?! Slitting throats on the night, interrupting my sleep! You're as disgusting as a corrupt ferryman, as foul as a beast, talking as if I owe you anything, as if I owe you my dreams!"

The demon snarled, enraged by the Mad Lions words, his plan being discovered, it's disguise as worthless as a ragged cloak. "I might not be a ferryman, or an emissary of the Gods! But next time you come here, I'll flay your soul! Sleep well Little Cub, might your Madness be the last death of tonight, because if you return to Valyria, you'd wished you paid the price!"

>>6403138
Anon I thought this was an update

>:^(

Don't do that to me

>>6403129
>The undead dragonlord knowing necromancy is fact given what he was able to do. Otherwise I don't know see how could have known that kind of magic and accomplished what he did.
Other than just through sheer force of will or dumb luck utilizing his sorcerous might to diverge part of the curse. If he were a supremely powerful necromancer he could have just left. What's the Faceless Demon gonna do to them? Kill them? Put them back? They could keep trying. They're obviously still just as cursed as the rest of the dead here, he was just using his presence to force his kin into stasis to reduce the pain they felt. That isn't necromancy, could just be mind magic. Or it could be a different kind of hex altogether. We don't know. It's entirely possible the manse itself was warded against magics and that alone is what allowed them to forestall the worst of the curse.

>Mail probably not the best against razor wind
I wasn't saying to wear mail. I was using it as a point of reference for weight distribution.

>>6403135
A hike with sixty pounds of gear is doable. A bit hefty but doable. For people who are much more physically active and robust as people tended to be in the equivalent time period I wouldn't see it being much of a problem. Especially when you divvy it out to several people since you don't need everyone to carry the most they can, just a fair portion divided. Especially since it's probably only a few days worth of actual hiking. Keep in mind, I am under no circumstances ever going to want to come back here or send anyone in here. Leave this place to the worms.

>>6403138
Hey that's kinda cute kek. Like a bedtime story vibe. Nice.

>>6403138
The Mad Lion, The Demon and his bridge Part two

"Not so fast you wretched being! Do you really think I wouldn't notice? This is not a matter of honor, but of debts and and what you owe us!". The Demon stopped, terror in it's eyes, he felt he was victorious, about to run for it's life.

The ship rocked back and forth, losing its temper, the Mad Lion crew kept their footing, while the Demon slammed to the floor, almost thrashing. The dark wood of the ship morphed and shifted like clay, holding the Demon in manacles, like a poor slave. "You wanted to rob me! You wanted to be unfair! Now the one that owes anything, is no one but yourself" snarled the Mad Lion, as the Demon was dragged through the ground, asking for forgiveness, asking to kneel down. "I'm sorry Mighty Lion! I shouldn't have boarded your ship! I'll take you to safety, but please let me live!"

The Mad Lion calmed himself, his demeanor changing, there was no enraged madman, but a stern noble. "You'll be forgiven, but only if you help me on my task. You'll help me build a single bridge, that's what I asked."

The demon almost snickered, but held it's tongue, he bowed it's head, and pledged a bow "For all the Gods that can hear me, by the rage of my blood, I'll serve to Lion in his task, I'll make sure it's done."

Then the Mad Lion smiled, he couldn't held his laugh, seeing the Demon being put at the front of his vessel, decorating the outside. "Well then, Demon, it is a deal! You'll pay what you owe me, in exchange for your life."

The Seven Kingdoms wouldn't believe it, they were astonished, the Normal Lion was alive and well, richer if that was possible. The stories spread like wildfire, they called him by his new Name, from the North to Essos, and to whatever land it's left. Some nobles said it was bullshit, that it was all a fluke, but there were eye witnesses from renowned families, even the snakes were in that bunch.

They didn't knew what to do with him nor what to say, but that didn't mattered, there was a bridge to be made. Years kept on passing, acres upon acres were torn apart, using heavy machinery, using even the Demon's claw. "Why are you making me dig this massive hole?! Are you out of your mind?! We were to make a bridge, not a damned canal!"

"But my good demon, this is for the bridge! I never said when or how I would build it, and you neither asked". As the revelation came down to the Demon, it's blood was warm again, looking up from the ditch, looking at the men. The Mad Lion had withered, now donning a pale gold mane, his skin had wrinkles but his smile didn't fade. "May the Gods strike me down" said the Mad Lion "If I'm breaking the law! A deal is a deal, the demon knew the cost"

The demon looked up, to a bright and clear sky, sorrow filled it's heart, he understood it's plight. "Get back to digging that ditch, ya git! Don't make me waste my time. I think I found the perfect place for the bridge, next to this apple tree"

Fin

>>6403144
I'm just having some fun anon :^) don't be mad

>>6403145
>Hey that's kinda cute kek. Like a bedtime story vibe. Nice.
Thank you! The idea just came up and I was making it on the spot, a little flash of creativity

I just had a thought that was mad funny guys.

What if we argued so fucking hard at this thing about our family dying in the past and us getting turbofucked for no good reason that we can demand A Thing to return Brightroar to us. Or that this thing leaves alone any Lannister led attempts to retrieve the heirloom denied to our family. I would go from disbelief that we survived this encounter to sheer cackling awe at the audacity of it all. I mean come on, our family has suffered over the ages from losing that damn sword and now we're punished just for trying to get it back? Too bad this thing is probably completely inured to emotional pleas, but it'd be unbelievably hilarious to guilt trip a specter.

It'll probably still try to weasel something out of us regardless of the outcome but I had to share my silly idea for how amusing it was to me.

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QM please, I love them. If Asha is horribly injured or dies I'm going to throw up

>>6403195
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You know this is a Lannister quest because it's full of fucking GOLD lmao

>>6403195
HOLY FUCKING KEK!!!!! @___@
ANON THIS KICKS SO MUCH ASS

>>6403195
Ah! Another gift. Good work anon!

>>6403195
Oh this is perfect.
The smile of the kraken being upside down and thus a frowny face is the cherry on top.

>>6403195
So cute ⸜(｡˃ ᵕ ˂ )⸝

>>6403079
>>6403097
XDD Valyria is full of surprises still!

>>6403105
I assume the Maznareon where a warrior/mage family of some kind, while also having naval traditions. They where probably at a middle-low level for a dragonlord family in the Freehold. AND THEY HAD VALYRIAN STEEL DOORS !! Jokes aside if their ruined manse had all of this imagine when the place was not ruined. They seem to have way more than Targs.

>>6403138
>>6403148
Nice little story

>>6403190
An interesting idea but the Demon would arrange trouble. Who knows maybe this demon killed both Tommen and Tytos in the far past.

>>6403195
Great work !

>>6403294
>Who knows maybe this demon killed both Tommen and Tytos in the far past.
That makes the idea of forcing him to grab the sword even funnier to me. I'd probably go for that even if it did have a catch just because of how stupid funny that is.

>YOU KILLED MY ANCESTORS! You dick! It's your fault I'm here in the first place! Give me the fucking sharp stick!
>Alright man chill out.

Robert is top 5 fighters of all time. I'd even say fat Robert could beat Jaime or Arthur. Prime Robert beats anybody who doesn't have the strength not to get crushed. For instance anybody who relies on agility to dodge instead of block. Robert is like the mountain if he wasn't a jobber. Fat Robert beats reaghar. Fat Robert beats anybody in the kingsgaurd that isn't selmy and that's because underestimate him because he's old as hell

>>6403474
>fat Robert could beat Jaime or Arthur.
no. he's a diabetic stuffed ham, he'd keel over if he tried to go three rounds with Jaime and Arthur would slaughter him like a pig

>>6403474
Prime BOBBY was regarded as a peerless warrior, and despite his single-minded determination, absolute righteous fury and dedication to the life of a warrior was still getting injured by Rhaegar during the battle of the Trident. While yes Rhaegar was known to be excellent at everything he did, he never liked fighting and it wasn't his primary interest so he never went 200% into it like Robert did. And personally I take the bit about saying Robert was "the warrior reborn" wasn't that he was the greatest warrior to EVER live, but that in that moment there was no one on the planet who could stand against him in his battle-fury. They say similar things about Daemon Blackfyre.

Prime Robert could definitely give the greatest swordsmen a run for their money, and probably win more often than not, but Fat Robert really couldn't. He's still strong enough to easily kill but he's not as fast, not as enduring, and he's so big he winds up not even fitting into his armor any more. He also stopped keeping up with his training or entering tourneys for fun.


I'm also not going to let you slander big bro Jaime.

>>6403474
>Robert is top 5 fighters of all time.
No.
Modern times maybe. But we don't even have a modern world list of great warriors. We also know mostly 0 of the great warriors of the past (Westeros Age of Heroes, the Great Wars of Old Essos Civilizations etc....). Its better to say, Robert was in the list of top 5 fighters of Modern Westeros.

>I'd even say fat Robert could beat Jaime or Arthur.
Nope. He wouldn't be able.
Its not just being fat (and getting fatter and fatter every day), its not using muscles in any kind of exercise/activity, its the constant arguments with Cersei (free stress that accumulates hurts the human body), its neverending meals of constant eating and drinking of rich foods/meats accompanied by all kind of wine and ale, its the "WINE" has a 1 drink and then another and another, its sitting and sitting on the throne, the constant whoring (more stress with Cersei), its hating being a king (free stress), its barely using or not even touching is horses or his weapons ... and on and on.

I am sorry but Fat Robert is not winning on anything. The Boar is also coming.

>>6403315
We will need to see how much it cares of laws, and if Jason understand a fraction of how divine laws works.

>>6403502
>We will need to see how much it cares of laws, and if Jason understand a fraction of how divine laws works.
Oh yeah for sure, I'm not disputing that. We're still probably about to get slapped with the cursehammer but the idea of it all brings me great mirth. If we came out here to hunt Brightroar and wind up essentially bullying a demon into retrieving it for us after pretty much giving up on it. Absolute gold.

>>6403519
That's only if it's a psycho judge and not a trapped monster.
If this thing really is just a horrible demon in disguise, then citing legalese probably won't work because it doesn't actually care about that.
On the flip side, if it wants our souls/our children/to be free from Valyria/etc then it might actually be happy to try and give us Brightroar as the bait for a Faustian bargain.
"A... Sword? Yes little mortals. I'll give you the thing you want the most. Happily. The cost? Oh don't worry about it; just a small favor I'll ask down the road".

>>6403195
Lol reminds me of that meme pic in the last thread about Asha sinister but 'beautiful' smile according to Jason. In Jason's defense the power of the fear boner is strong in that one.

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>>6403148
I like it.

>>6403523
I for one think freeing a horrific shadow and fire demon is a great idea. I want it to get stuck fighting the Others if it is. I will take that deal!

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Anons I need help.
I'm in the middle of making a meme edit, but I got stumped.
I'm not sure whether my positioning of the characters is super accurate (I had to take a few liberties) and I'm also not sure who to use in order to fill the remaining blank spaces.

What do you guys think?
I can explain my reasoning for the positioning if that'd help.

>>6403702
I'd put Amory Lorch or The Mountain at the bottom rung open slot against Jason. They're just high Knight families and they'll do whatever Tywin wants. For the above neutral slot I'd put maybe Stannis/Renly or maybe Mace Tyrell. Maybe Jon Arryn? They were all present at that feast we made Bobby laugh.

>>6403474
Jaime has a counter skill when he's at full strength that is worthy of his house sigil.
That's why he is the Lion.
Bobby is strong and basically what 4chan considers the ultimate Chad, but he has very specific weaknesses.
They never said how long it takes to recover from his attack in full flight
Never said how quickly he covered ground in battle. Probably why he needed horses, yet never competed in tournaments
>>6403484
I like your paragraph,
please consider Pacquaio vs Marquez 4
thx

>>6403702
Made me fucking kek

>>6403702
Switch Bobby and Humfrey position.
Switch Tyrion and Uncle Gerion position.

Far more fair to this characters and accurate from disposition and quest story.

Tyrion is the biggest Jason supporter on the whole of Planetos and he will be forever, and Humfrey is becoming Jason best friend. We had one interaction with Robert and didn't truly know Uncle Gerion until now.

On spot above Jason, i would maybe put either the Lord Hightower which we talked with for ensure we got to Oldtown + Citadel, or Uncle Kevan. I would say Lord Hightower since it makes more sense. Alternatively a character that would make sense to put there is : Tysha. She also supports Jason !

I would take out Joffrey and put someone else in its spot, he is not relevant right now. Maybe put Mountain there.

Switch Pycelle with Amory Lorch.
Put under ex Pycelle, Melisandre.

Not sure about Ashwights. In the end they are just trapped Valyrians, and we even saved the souls of the Maznareon which where trapped in Ashwights. The demon is fine, though I would switch it with Ashwights in position.

>>6403764
I think the "ladder" scale is just a representation of open political power, not actual bond strength. Most of the positions make more sense if you look at them through that lens. But that could be me thinking that way to make it make more sense to be kek

>>6403766
If its about political power some of this dont make sense a lot. Like Ashwights and Demon shouldn't be even there they don't have political power. I feel that image is more confusing now if i need to see it that way lol.

>>6403768
Well none of those characters at the bottom have any actual political power in Westeros kek that's why A Thing could have some measure of power, because if it is a Faceless Man, the Faceless Men operate in Westeros with their plots and schemes as well. It's a seriously deep cut but it makes sense, you gotta trust me. It's not just my schizo coming out I promise.

>>6403771
Who knows maybe you are right with your esoteric knowledge uhhh.....

>>6403713
The Mountain is great call. Being in the same rung but on the mirrored opposite side is rather fitting. Stannis / Renly are also a good choice since they have authority but neither have actually met Jason and thus have no strong opinion on him. Although maybe I should bump Oberyn down one and have Stannis or Renly take that spot instead? Being the Prince of Dorne is powerful, but being brother to The King and also holding the Stormlands is even more powerful.

>>6403766
>>6403768
Yeah by "Top of the Ladder" I meant both political power, and direct influence over Jason's life.
I figured that Cersei is the Queen, so she can boss around people like Baelish. Jamie is only a King's Guard, but he can talk Cersei and Tywin out of ruining Jason's life.
I agree that the Ashwights and the Demon have no political power. I just didn't really have anyone else to put in that bottom corner, and felt that they fit as more of a place holder. Once we get a few threads further into the Quest, we'll probably have better characters to put there. Although if we strike a deal with the demon and it goes on to demand favors, then maybe it should stay?

Left and right is closer to the Disposition axis, with people who want to help Jason accomplish his goals versus people who would thwart his goals. Asha might love Jason more than anyone, but she has her own goals that don't 100% align with his; the Moontea is a good example. Someone like Pycelle might want to help Jason achieve great things, but his loyalty is to Tywin first and foremost, thus ends up on the right side of the compass.

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>>6403220
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>>6403292
Thank you Anons and QM! :D
I may be a little autistically obsessed with Jason and Asha

>>6403785
Now draw her biting him

>>6403773
Never listen to me, I never have a single clue what I am talking about lmao

>>6403774
I can see Stannis/Renly being above Oberyn. Just because the Dornish tend to be rather insular and less involved than other houses in the politics of Westeros. Barring the North, of course.

If using the creepies of Valyria as placeholders, then I imagine a Frey would wind up in A Thing's place and someone like Rorge&Biter to be the ash wights'. Or Ramsey Snow where A Thing is. If we ever come across them.

>>6403785
That is actually really cute kek. Rock on, dude.

>>6403785
Good work man
We're gonna return to KL like on some prince Ali ts. 40 elephants ts

>>6403785
Adorably cute.
How old are they supposed to be in this one and the previous one?
Is this them when they first met at 16? They look a little younger

>>6403702
I think it should be "A Thing That *Is* Owed"

Directly above Jason being his other nephew or niece would be funny, or moving Joff there. Sorta against Jason, bottom of the ladder being Ironborn Traditionalists could be neat.

It's a bit out of topic, but Jason must have a pretty wicked burn mark on his right hand due to that warriors handshake with the undead dragonlord. I wonder if the burns have High Valyrian writings on them due to the magical nature of the affair (Maybe the Maznareon sigil or words), or is it just a regular burn mark?

I kinda imagine it having a slight glow to it, like the embers of a dying fire. Pretty cool regardless, even as just a burn mark Jason "the Ashen Claw" Lannister sounds cool

man stfu this is like the 100th "cool badass nickname" you niggas thought up for him

enough already

That's a great idea anon. Jason "Many Named" Lannister. A storied man of mystery.

>>6403938
Jason is coming out of Valyria REALLY fucked up, at least for someone of his type

His arm got burned by the Maznareon Patriarch, his other arm and part of the chest got stabbed Dragonglass that Asha took out, and he might get another one depending on how the Faceless Demon encounter ends.

It's might have a normal wound if the demon attacks him, or if the boat crashes and people get hurt before Asha can take the wheel.

I'm still voting for "Red Claw", or "Ashen Lion", or maybe even "Scorched Lion". Idk, there's a lot of names people could make out from this adventure

>>6403939
Do you only whine and complain or what

>>6403946
It gets tiring after the 10th time in a row.

>>6403945

I don't think any nickname is ever gonna beat out "the Mad Lion", to be honest. It's short, simple, and perfectly describes how every Westerosi lord is going to see Jason for all the shit we've done (and will do).

>>6403952
I've still got a fondness for "The Sealion", especially if we later expand trade and alliances with the Ironborn.

>>6403952
I figure that's what they'd call Gerion more than Jason. Since coming out here was Gerion's plan, which he boldly announced. Jason was just chasing after his uncle and, to any outside observer at least, got caught up in Gerion's bullshit.

>>6403956

I feel like Gerion would probably end up with a title like "the foolish lion" or something along those lines; as the story of the expedition spreads, I get the feeling it'll end up being seen as us going after Gerion to pull his ass out of the fire he stupidly jumped into by himself.

>>6403939
Jason shall one day have as many names as the mighty Settra... Great King, the Imperishable, Khemrikhara, The Great King of Nehekhara, King of Kings, Opener of the Way, Wielder of the Divine Flame, Punisher of Nomads, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Legion, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, Father of Hawks, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Worlds, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Ptra, High Steward of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Vitae, Sentinel of the Two Realms, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Faithless, Carrion-feeder, First of the Charnel Valley, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Vermin, Champion of the Death Arena, Mighty Lion of the Infinite Desert, Emperor of the Shifting Sands, He Who Holds The Sceptre, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Sultan of Atalan, Waker of the Hierotitan, Monarch of the Sky, Majestic Emperor of the Shifting Sands, Champion of the Desert Gods, Breaker of the Ogre Clans, Builder of the Great Pyramid, Terror of the Living, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Necropolises, Taker of Souls, Tyrant to the Foolish, Bearer of Ptra's Holy Blade, Scion of Usirian, Scion of Nehek, The Great, Chaser of Nightmares, Keeper of the Royal Herat, Founder of the Mortuary Cult, Banisher of the Grand Hierophant, High Lord Admiral of the Deathfleets, Guardian of the Charnal Pass, Tamer of the Liche King, Unliving Jackal Lord, Dismisser of the Warrior Queen, Charioteer of the Gods, He Who Does Not Serve, Slayer off Reddittras, Scarab Purger, Favoured of Usirian, Player of the Great Game, Liberator of Life, Lord Sand, Wrangler of Scorpions, Emperor of the Dunes, Eternal Sovereign of Khemri's Legions, Seneschal of the Great Sandy Desert, Curserer of the Living, Regent of the Eastern Mountains, Warden of the Eternal Necropolis, Herald of all Heralds, Caller of the Bitter Wind, God-Tamer, Master of the Mortis River, Guardian of the Dead, Great Keeper of the Obelisks, Deacon of the Ash River, Belated of Wakers, General of the Mighty Frame, Summoner of Sandstorms, Master of all Necrotects, Prince of Dust, Tyrant of Araby, Purger of the Greenskin Breathers, Killer of the False God's Champions, Tyrant of the Gold Dunes, Golden Bone Lord, Avenger of the Dead, Carrion Master, Eternal Warden of Nehek's Lands, Breaker of Djaf's Bonds... and many, many more... inshallah

>>6403785
Cute
Jason would probably be thinking of the structure of the temple. The wedding with Asha wasn't really normal.

>>6403939
I am fine with whatever they call us in the story. "The Builder" is pretty good already, and it was given to Jason by Westernlanders. I reckon we will hear one name above the clamors of all the other names people might come up with after Valyria, or they will simply call us a hero/legend.

>>6403960
I think their prior reputations will come into play there. With Jason always being mild and seemingly dull compared to the rest of his family, and Gerion always spurning his brother, it's ,uch easier to call Gerion a madman and Jason a silly little guy.

>>6403969
Based and He Rules pilled.

To return from valyria with a treasure would be a miracle.

To return from valyria at all would be a feat.

To return from valyria with a worm colony in our ass would be a good luck.

To return from valyria with brightroar in hand now THAT would have been legendary

>>6403952
I think the problem with The Mad Lion is it's proximity to The Mad King, especially with our older brother having killed him. Some folks may call us that, definitely, but one would hope it doesn't become our main/official sobriquet for how it reflects on us. Even 'The Doom Lion' or 'Doomed Lion' feels less loaded, ironically. I still like 'The Stone Lion' or 'Warlock of Casterly Rock', and 'Sea Lion', too.

>>6403977
Returning from Valyria alive and with treasure is already a feat worthy to permanently engrave our name into the annals of history, our decisions, our adoption, and now our face off with what might be one of the faceless demons who caused the doom in the first place.

Jason's accomplishments are already legenndary, and we will only achieve more. Winter is coming

>>6403977
One could argue that merely returning at all is effectively 'legendary', I mean, Aerea came back as she was transforming into an ash wight, based on what we know, and while it isn't a triumphant one, a legend certainly still circulates about the return...

Updated check on Expedition

Current death count: 16 brutal deaths; 1 ship lost, forced to leave the Expectant Lover
Latterborn status: tired and wounded, facing a demon, only 15 Latterborn are left; the Iron Lion is extensively damaged
Total days passed from entry in Valyria: feels like 3-4 to me (might be wrong)

Current Loot list :
- Valyrian Steel Dagger
- Decent amount of Knowledge on Maznareon family
- Jewelry made of fine gold, Dragon bone, and polished stones
- a dress of silk finer than anything seen by Jason
- a skull, warped to be elongated in the back of the skull and possessing only sharp teeth that were not sharpened but natural, that had been covered in silver with High Valyrian etched into it.
- Valyrian Steel Tower Shield
- Fully made Valyrian Steel Sword-Spear
- Collection of coins, plates, and dishes made of precious metals, all decorated works of art.
- Having been magically granted the Maznareon name by the undead patriarch, after honor-killing all the undead family
- Decorated Valyrian Steel full scale armor+Helmet+Cloak
- Decorated twin set of Valyrian Steel Arakhs
- Long, unknown dark grey/green/black egg, almost oblong in shape.
- Collection of ancient tomes, history of the Maznareon family
- Magical Book with Valyrian Steel chains and a complex mechanical lock, self-heated
- Skull in Gilded Gold
- Complex Musical Instrument made of Dragonbone, Goldenheart wood, a crank made of Valyrian Steel, strings of dragon gut, strings of Valyrian Steel, and strings of an unknown third material
- 2 Valyrian Steel Spears thrown by Ashwights (Out of Humphry and Dara's limbs)
- Horryfying Ancient Lannister Outpost journal revealing other dangers and useful, interesting info alongside confirmations of Tommen and Tytos paths
- Impossibly valuable knowledge of more dangers of Valyria, and knowing what worked and what did not in the Latterborn expeditionary equipment


The Ancient Lannister Outpost lasted 9 days of constant losses in the Maznareon Manse before utterly breaking/collapsing, and no matter how Tytos led his men in Aquos Dhaen and how much Tommen pushed his men in Valyria Capital, neither of them probably lasted much longer. Staying the least amount of time was really the smart move for the Latterborn.

It's safe to say we aren't likely to find anything more on our way out.

Then again, we might be lucky and find the remains of the deserters from the Ancient Outpost and get more knowledge. Still need to pass the demon somehow.

>>6404024
Since we're in the channel that connects the seas it's a straight shot out. Assuming we have an extra sail to utilize. Which we should. So probably not stopping by anywhere on land again. If we are being forced to land after this because everything is fucked up beyond the point of sailing safely we'd be going north which probably won't have us coming across anything besides maybe ruined roadhouses. We'll have to see how this encounter plays out. Especially since this post is gonna be the last one in Valyria as per QM.

>>6403939
Not those anons, but it gives the thread something to talk about while we wait in between posts from the QM.
I'd rather that there be actual discussion instead of the thread being completely dead until an update happens.

If you don't like the nickname topic, then come up with something else for everyone to talk about, such as... idk, how will we interact with Varys? In the last thread, people were discussing that they only want stability and prosperity for The Westerlands under Jason's rule; not relentless power grabbing like Tywin. That type of mindset heavily aligns with Varys's philosophy of "for the good of the realm", doesn't it?

>>6404111
I think that the picosecond that Bobby kicks it, Jason should never step foot in Kings Landing ever again until Queen Bitch is dead.

>>6404111
Except the issue is that Varys "Dragons or dragdeeznutz" No-last-name is scheming to throw the realm into chaos for a Targaryen restoration. For him, the Targs ARE the realm, and so what if a few cities bet burned and a few houses are wiped from the slate? The Targs are going to come back and put it all to order, as is their right.

With that in mind, I can see Varys either really liking Jason as a "safe option" that he can manipulate, or going "oh this mf is crazy and could drag the Iron Islands into this, his ass gotta GO", especially if Jason's love of architecture leads to him encountering Varys' 'little birds'. Or even viewing him as TOO safe of an option. Can't use the chaos to restore the Targs if Jason "Peacemaker" Lannister is making enough alliances to stop the Targs in their tracks.

If we hatch that egg, he's definitely coming for our ass, to bully us into marrying our kids into the Targs. Or maybe after Asha, to then bully US into it now that we're 'free' to do it.

>>6404111
>how will we interact with Varys?

>"Do you keep your head bald because it helps keep you cool?"
>"No dear boy I keep myself bald so that I never have to worry about my hair falling into my food."
>"Oh that's pretty smart."

This also assumes that Varys wants stability. He really doesn't. At least not at first. He does need the realm to be destabilized to a degree but not in total collapse. A civil war is what he wants, but not a total dissolution of central rule. So he'll stoke the fires of ambition and snuff the life of those closest to securing power in equal measure to keep it just so.

He might find Jason to be a little frustrating in how unambitious he is since that means he needs to find different strings to pull in order to draw him into any given conflict. But even that is pretty simple, just put his family sans Cersei into danger and that'll probably spur Jason to act.

>>6404112
It'll be fiiiine. I'm sure she'll forgive us after we show up not dead, more famous than her, more liked than her, more sought after than her, and generally more free than her. Kiss and make up? Well, maybe don't kiss her, who knows where that mouth has been. You think she's started fucking Lancel, yet? Poor guy.

>>6404117
Well, of course. After all, if there's anything Cersei has in spades, it's sisterly love. Of course, if Tyrion stays behind in these here isles, that does mean there will be only one person left to fullfill Cersei's prophecy...

>>6404117
I didn't know that she does any other relatives besides Jamie, kek.

... Wonder if she'll try adding Jason to 'list of relatives she's banged' when he gets back.

>>6404118
What's funny is all of her prophecies are self-fulfilling and she's generally too midwitty to actually interpret them correctly. My money is Sandor is gonna cave her skull in and then fight the Mountain. Not in our canon. Our canon isn't far enough along yet for me to speculate on that one. Way too many pieces yet to move.

>>6404119
Well to be fair, she only fucks Lancel to manipulate him. I think? I forget off the top of my head. She really do be fucking anyone to get what she wants. She honestly only does love Jaime because she thinks of him as an extension or her, being that they are twins. She's THAT narcissistic. Otherwise she'll use whatever means necessary to get what she wants. Even her body.

If she tries to get into Jason's pants for any reason she's going to pull out all of her golden hair when Jason first doesn't understand what she's doing and then flat out calls her "disgusting" for suggesting such a thing.

Cersei would never try to sleep with Jason because men like him are the biggest ick a manipulative woman could ever have.

Also because his wife is an unwashed barbarian who would probably grug smash an axe through her skull if she tried regardless of how suicidal it was.

>>6404124
I put an axe through her skull, it rhymes with Grug.

>"So.. Jason, what do you think of this precious night gown? Do you think it looks good on me?"
>"Holy shit Cersei, you got FAAAAAAAT as FUCK, and you're married to Bobby, just imagine how much of a FUCKING COW you have to be, that I can tell you would look FAAAAT next to him. Also cover yourself, I don't wanna see my sister's low hanging tits"
>Jason is found death on the Red Keep's cells, it's said he commited suicide, after suffering from poison, five stabs on the back and 10 in the front, having all his fingernails rip off and without eyes.

>>6404140
>>"So.. Jason, what do you think of this precious night gown? Do you think it looks good on me?"
Jason would hit her with the "I think it'd look better draped over the headboard instead." and Cersei would be surprised by his boldness but smug that her charms worked, only for Jason to literally drape the gown over the headboard and note how the color accentuates the wood grain and makes the entire bed look warmer and more comfortable. Then he would leave and she'd be floored wondering what the hell just happened.

>>6404140
I think it'd be more

>"So.. Jason, what do you think of this precious night gown? Do you think it looks good on me?"
>"Oh? Oh, yes, certainly! No doubt that Robert's feeling REALLY lucky tonight. In fact, know where I could get one in grey for Asha?"
>Lord Jason "The Sealion" Lannister was later found strangled in his chambers.

>>6404111
OOC we know Varys has intentions to spy on the Latterborn expedition and any news of it. For understand if 1 Jason and Gerion die nothing comes back, or if 2 something comes out and Jason and Gerion are alive. Also for keep an eye on Tyrion activity in Volantis.

With option 2 being the only way quest continues, Varys will consider the trio of Lions, Asha and the Latterborn a potential threat and also the kind of people he wants to steal from.

IC Jason is not really ready intrigue wise. Not that he is an idiot or incompetent(he is not far from it), he is just not an intrigue guy. Even if he isn't completely clueless in intrigue either (for example architecture speciality gives Jason an in about secret passages construction/understanding for example, so thats an hunch of intrigue Jason knows). Thankfully Jason its not alone and can count on solid companions and a few allies, + on magic, his mind and experience. A retinue of trusted loyal warriors are the only thing needed for a bit more security against spies. Beyond that..... like other anons pointed out in the past Jason could have an use for an intrigue man or woman in his entourage. Though its no easy task to find someone like that. Its more easy to find someone well learned for Jason, a learned man or woman would be beneficial. Not for intrigue more for Jason projects (if someone doesn't sabotage them) or learning.

>>6404117
She can go in a ditch of mud. Should have not said those words about Asha years ago.

>>6404140
>"So.. Jason, what do you think of this precious night gown? Do you think it looks good on me?"
How it would go
>"Well sister, i have found a better dress than what you are wearing in Valyria. Indeed i know ! Its incredible ! Property of a dragonlord family, perfectly preserved and ancient. The value alone could buy enough stones for make 10 castles. I am not familiar with the customs of ancient valyrian ladies clothing or with most current styles of ladies clothing, but its really the most rich, complex and beautiful design i have ever seen for a noble woman dress in my opinion."
>"And its perfectly form fitting for my love Asha !"

And nothing else would happen. Beside Cersei seething.

>>6404152
Would Asha even accept wearing some creepy dress from hell? She'd probably be happier with an valyrian steel axe anyway.

>>6404156
Its not creepy though ? Its a beautiful dress that was made for a dragonlord family lady. Like genuine beautiful and Jason is not an expert of woman clothing or of ancient woman clothing, that was his first impression. All the loot is from the Maznareon manse. Its just valyrian loot that has been waiting for someone to loot it. Nothing is cursed of what we took.

Convincing Asha to try it behind close doors can create happy private memories for the young couple. Different kind of valyrians ladies existed too in the past, maybe some of those warrior dragonladies also used this kind of dresses time to time. Beside if Jason asked really nicely i am sure he could convince her. Who knows.

Weapon wise the Arakhs are right there so thats covered.

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Alright, slight improvements to the compass meme.
I might move Tyrion's picture to Gerion's spot, but then I wouldn't have a wojak/image for Tyrion. I think Oberyn would be above Stannis, right? Robert stripped Stannis of Storm's End and gave that to Renly.
Speaking of which, if anyone has any good pictures then feel free to post them; I'll be happy to add community contributions / feedback.

>>6404152
>>6404117
Hmm, I guess I'm just wondering whether it'd be possible for Jason to be on the same side as Varys. If he truly is a 100% Targ loyalist, then the question becomes whether or not Jason would support Danny's claim instead of someone like Stannis or Renly.
If Varys sees Jason as a threat, then what actions could assuage that?

>>6404140
>>6404148
Shit, imagine if Cersei tries to seduce Jason, and he's so unaware and naive that he goes "What??? But we're siblings! We'd be the first Lannisters to ever bed one another! What would Jamie say if he were here?"

>>6404183

Audibly kek'd at the image used for Gregor. Good shit, anon.

>>6404183
Holy fuck anon, that image of for gregor was a fucking gut punch, fucking A

I would suggest for Gregor to have something like "Haunting the narrative while commiting war crimes" or some shit like that.

>>6404183
Renly does get put in charge of the Stormlands, yeah. Stannis is quite unhappy about it but he does as he's told, good guy.

If Varys thought he could swing Jason to "his" side he'd probably just let Jason vibe so long as it doesn't make the Westerlands too strong. So basically he's gonna get the Riverlands to hate the absolute fuck out of the Lannisters even more than they already do and start problems that way. Stormlands too. He'd probably also try to get the Tyrells to hate our guts since he can't get the Hightowers to do it. How would we deal with any of this? We probably wouldn't kek. Tywin would handle it but once he's gone Jason will be out of his depth until he can bring Tyrion home.

We can't deal with Varys directly, but we can deal with the problems he will cook up for us behind the scenes. Dealing with the Riverlands is as easy as making them richer and more influential. Dealing with the Tyrells would mean securing marriage alliances. Dealing with the Stormlands will be a different beast altogether, but if we can keep the Reach on our side they'd probably be reluctant to act against us alone. And of course the Crownlands, which I think will be the biggest problem actually. Because Cersei would probably do things to try and get us deposed or killed so she can play petty kingmaker with the Westerlands. Which both Littlefinger and Varys would be down to do just because it aligns with their interests.

>...we'd be the first...
You know I think that might get an actual laugh out of her once she realizes Jason is being genuine. The sheer irony alone would get a chuckle out of her.

also
>gregor
zoz. He'd unironically wear one of those wal-mart-warriors kind of "badass" shirts. Probably one with a skeleton on it throwing gang signs.

We should probably keep the books and weird egg we found a secret, though. I don't trust Varys to not want those to "fall off a truck".

>>6404225
Is this even a question? We don't wanna be known as some sort of Witchman.

>>6404228
It's not that I am worried people will think we're a wizzerd it's that Varys will probably ignore the war gear because it won't change much in relation to his schemes but the idea of secret knowledge or MOAR EGGY is something he would be keen to secure. Besides, just having a "magic" book or a cool rock that once might have been a dragon egg doesn't really make you a sorcerer supreme. I'm just worried that those things draw wwwwwwaaayyyyyy more attention and interest than a particularly sharp stick, you know?

This is more to discourage any anons who are keen to stand atop a table and boast like a proper man should, to keep our hand closer to our chest and not reveal everything we came across.

>>6404231
It would be weird if we didn't boast. We just gotta boast about finding all that valyrian steel and those gems and dragonbone. Meanwhile, we just keep the books and the egg on the downlow somewhere nobody can find them.

>>6404225
We should keep as much of this whole entire episode a secret as possible.
The copper on the ships. The clothing/masks to protect our skin and filter the air. The underwater currents. Any loot that isn't a tool we keep on us.
We can mention demons, wights, krakens, and whatever else, but we worked hard to be the most prepared we could be, let's not have that be taken advantage of by enemies. Our success will already inspire at least a few more groups to try it. They might say the curse is breaking. They might think they can do better than us with a bigger crew, more ships, and more funding.
It's important they go in blind and they all fail.

>>6404232
That's what I'm saying kek. Obviously we flaunt we're HIM, we just don't show the entire deck of cards, just our winning hand.

>>6404233
Roight roight. We want the "How To Beat" to be in our pocket. Let everyone else waste money and time if they're so inclined. Though I am sure Tywin is going to sit us down and force it out of us, and I don't like that, but I also trust him to not completely fuck it up if he ever wants to send another expedition in. He can at least keep the details on the down low. I'd rather not tell him, either, though.

>>6404236
>Though I am sure Tywin is going to sit us down and force it out of us
Yeah, he will for sure, but I also guarantee he will never bother sending anyone else. He may want Brightroar but when he hears what we've seen, at most he will hire a maester to spend the rest of his life devising ways to make an expedition easier, to hand down to our children or grandchildren. Otherwise I imagine he'd consider it all a waste of money, and wouldn't want to think about magical bullshit anyways.

>>6404111
As was mentioned previously consensus was Jason would quickly realize quickly how untenable the position in King's Landing is and would want to GTFO. Attempting to diplomacy with Stannis would likely fail because its Stannis. Renly would work until he gets assassinated. As Jason is more interested in damage control and unlike his father is willing to accept a loss.

Varys for his part would consider aim to take advantage of the infighting this would cause among the Lannisters. As for his view on Jason specifically arguably Asha is a much bigger and more important wild card given her ambitions. Jason annoyingly won't fall for the trap and bait hiding in King's Landing that Tywin will fall for, assuming he's still alive. Which will kill him.

Rather the real question is can Varys make Jason consider switching loyalties to the Targs, with Stannis hating the Lannisters so much and with Renly dead is a very real possibility. Especially if Danny finds Tyrion within Essos. Thereby forcing the Lion into a corner. Basically Varys doesn't outright have a reason to kill Jason because Jason is potentially useful to the Targs in the long run.

As for how Jason would see Varys...Jason doesn't stand a chance against Varys or Littlefinger whatsoever. So he wouldn't be able to see through them. Even Asha doesn't despite getting her ass kicked for years by Tywin and being forced to put more points into Intrigue. She needs years more experience and more intrigue points to reach that point but she has the potential. Its worth noting even Tyrion didn't stand a chance against Varys and Littlefinger in terms of intrigue. He also got BTFO. While Tywin only died when he fell for their trap after being lured into King's Landing.

>>6404238
>and wouldn't want to think about magical bullshit anyways.
>"Just because you think you saw some demons and ghosts doesn't mean magic is real, boy."
>jason casually learning how to make water do a little jig in the bathtub
>"Now quit splashing and put your robes on. The King is asking for you to come back to the court to tell the story AGAIN now that Lord Stark is here."

Fair enough. That would be a fair amount of money for such a high risk. He very well could decide it isn't worth it. On the other hand, we know how he is. Ambition burns bright. I give it a solid chance either he will or he won't. I can see it.

>>6404239
I don't think Asha would ever be able to scheme at the level of Varys and Littlefinger. At the same time, neither of them inspire loyalty like she does, nor can they lead armies like she can. Her charisma is specced into leadership while theirs is specced into courtly games.

And to be fair to Tyrion, that was a Tyrion who was drunk more often than not, dour, pessimistic, flippant and generally uninterested in actually doing his best. I imagine just cutting out the excessive drinking will put Tyrion more on a level playing field. And him not having life lose its luster for him as well will give him more pep and focus. Still don't think he'll ever be as good as those two but certainly near-peer enough to not get outright duped by them like he normally does.

Asha might not be a schemer but she hardly needs it.

The moment Tywin bites it, she is pretty much set
>Husband with no ambition who owns a literal mountain of gold
>Direct access to the place she wants to take over
>The position necessary to order a fleet from the westerosi shipyards

All she has to do then is take the iron islands far more easily than she did in canon, and she's got two thrones in the bag.

>>6404245
I don't think Asha can reach tier 6 monster tier intrigue given that isn't her specialty but the key difference is she has the right mindset and heart for it. Tyrion might have the wits for it but not the heart. Yeah, Asha specialized heavy into Leadership 6. Her leadership skills are bona fide insane on top of being a high class fighter. She is EXTREMELY charismatic and a legendary tier leader.

Tyrion had too much of a heart still which is why he lost to them so often and easily. He only really got his shit together on the intrigue front after fleeing Westeros after he finally decided to embrace his 'imp' moniker and join Danny.

>>6404249
Asha's political aims and Jason's political aims do not necessarily align. She is already considering buddying it up with the Martells so long as they ignore Jason and Tyrion she'll help them murder Tywin. She also rather likes the Starks due to their peacemaking efforts with the Iron Islands and taking care of Theon. Two major political factions that despise the Lannisters.

Do you really think Asha will settle for just two thrones? She is also extremely ambitious and keen to play the game of thrones. In terms of scheming the learned the hard way from Tywin that it isn't something she can ignore. Ergo it stopped being her weakpoint after many many painful beatings. She would however, much rather solve her problems via axe through the skull. See the last thread meme about Littlefinger and the Ironborn.

Also the North is too fucking poor and she owns the Westerlands. While Jason made inroads with the Reach that will likely be expanded upon via marriage alliances. Narrowing her ambitions but that will get fixed thanks to Cersei cuckolding the Stags, giving her more targets.

Jason honestly is much more boring and predictable in terms of ambitions and his lack of plotting ability that the players to actively plan around. It's just in the world nobody is aware that Asha is the real lurking threat NOT Jason. Everyone is still wondering if Jason is gonna be a problem or another Laughing Lion. Nobody is noticing the danger that is the Kraken lurking underneath, stretching out its tentacles.

>>6404245
There is also the fact that Varys had dirt on him with Shae, since Varys was the one who protected shae and worked to gain Tyrion’s trust despite Tyrion resisting it and knowing he shouldn’t trust Varys.

Also, with how probably autistic Jason is, I could see him preparing his own food.

“I don’t like food that other people touched. No offense to you or your cooks, but after the doom, I’m super careful with my food.”

>Becomes impossible to poison cause Jason wakes up hoping he doesn’t have Glass lung.

>>6404265
I bet Jason would enjoy cooking.

>>6404269
Would him making calamari be insulting or romantic?

>>6404261
Asha would at least be paranoid enough having grown up in the culture she did to at least not fall into most of the pitfalls of a welcoming countenance. Hard to trust people when you're an Ironborn.

Even if his heart isn't in the "right place" for intrigue, not giving himself alcohol poisoning every other week has to have been good for his brain cells. Especially since he now isn't spending all of his teen years shitfaced and moping about the fate of Tysha. He can probably count to six instead of five this time around. Hell yes!

>>6404265
>Jason Lannister must have dozens of food tasters. I've not once seen him take ill from his meals. And certainly not suffer any sort of poison or imbalance of the humors!
>meanwhile, jason in the kitchen looking at every single strip of meat and veg individually for worms and throwing out everything that doesn't seem perfect

>>6404269
It's like building but for your mouth! lmao

>>6404225
>>6404231
I think the book can be safely stored with the Hightowers. Fucking no one is breaking into that place. The book should stay there, and Jason is allowed to come read it when he wants to. Giving the Hightowers the book + the Valyrian steel shield ought to cover them in terms of divvying the loot.
The egg will need to stay in Casterly Rock.

In fact, I am genuinely concerned about our idea of heading straight to the Iron Islands.
Asha's father and the Ironborn might not give her a warm welcome. There's nothing stopping them from just taking all our shit.
At least if we go to King's Landing, then Robert will be there to prevent anyone from fucking us over.
It'd be a safe place to publicly flaunt our victory, whilst also having the advantage that it'd take Tywin a few weeks to arrive, thus we'd get to make plans without him (i.e head to Oldtown and then make a stop at Pyke before returning to The Rock)

>>6404261
In the books Asha specifically rejects the military ambitions of the ironborn, she presents produce to people who's motto is "we do not sow" to make them see there is a chance to live a life without the need for constantly loosing sons.

Her ambitions lie not with the thrones but what she could do with them. I think she'll be more invested into transforming the ironborn into a culture that has the capacity to sustain itself rather than jingoistic imperialism or even a play for the iron throne.

>>6404287
The faceless men are certainly breaking in there Jaqen H'ghar is searching for the book called the Death of Dragons after all

>>6404287
I ain't giving up that book, hoss. None of em. But definitely not the hot one. Hightower might be secure, but THE ROCK is more secure. At least, once we carve out its own special little room. It's our magic book. It's our hole, it was made for us! kek

I'm not keen on going straight to the Iron Islands either. I'd rather get our loot nice and safe and sorted first. To the point that I would choose to go straight back home first if I didn't know Tywin would yoink all the loot himself and then try to decide who gets what. Which makes King's Landing win out over going home to lock shit up immediately. Just so we can formally give out stuff where it deserves to go. We can't be ungrateful after all. And sure, Tywin would be sure to reward everyone who went with us, he'd nickle and dime the fuck out of it at every opportunity. Just how he is.

>>6404296
How do we go about compensating the families of the dead summer islanders? Dara and his crew went through hell with us and It would be cool to retain a positive relationship with the island for future tear stone research.

>>6404293
Sure, they can break in. They won't find it.
There's no way that Malora and Leyton won't have hidden a book like this in the most secret spot imaginable. If Jason wants to come and read the book, he'll probably have a different password for each of the two.
We obviously won't do this, but imagine how hilarious it'd be if Jason instead decides to make the contents of the book become public knowledge and shares it with as many people as possible. Just like, starts making dozens of copies at King's Landing and handing them out to random people. Magic for everyone!

>>6404298
Shit tons of money, right? Lannisters have tons of gold and wealth. I think the Summer Islanders would rather have a fortune instead of some fancy swords that aren't of much use to them. Alternatively we could offer to let them stay in Westeros with us and be granted land + status. Not sure about Dara though. No idea what he'd want.

>>6404296
Oh, are we keeping the book? I assumed that everyone of the expedition leaders (except Dara?) would want a share of the treasure, which means that Jason + Asha + Gerion only get three out of the 5 loot options. If we only get three, then I figured that the Egg would be the highest priority since that could make or break her bid for the Salt Throne. A big sea monster would have her go down in legend. The next choice would be the Hurdy Gurdy since I assume that the instrument is how to actually "control" the sea creature similar to Euron's horn rather than just having a wild animal.
So that leaves the two swords, the book, the awesome af armor, and then the regular VSteel gear like the shield, dagger, spear, etc.
If we let the Hightowers have the book, then that means Humfrey's loot share is covered, but Jason would still be able to visit and read the book when he needs to.

Separate note, but if we go to King's Landing, then it would take Tywin some time before he can arrive in person. If Jason and Asha want to be sneaky little shits, then they could leave before Tywin gets there, and head for the Iron Islands before he can stop them or put Jason under house arrest.

>>6404300
>I figured that the Egg would be the highest priority since that could make or break her bid for the Salt Throne. A big sea monster would have her go down in legend.

This implies we'll even be able to hatch it within a reasonable timeframe, or even at all. While I doubt QM would give us "useless" loot, I don't think we'll be able to get this little guy to wake up before the War of Five Kings/Daenerys hatches her dragons, and there's no way in hell Asha is going to wait that long before trying to take power in the Iron Islands.

>>6404287
I would agree with a vote to go to KL before the Iron Islands, but only if we can grab some Summer Islanders at least.
I think the point you raise that Balon might just jack our swag is fair.
>We are still very young, not established yet
>We will only have a small force of mostly middling fighters
>Balon is DUMB, impulsive, and covetous as shit, his biggest flaws
Suggests it's totally possible. On the other hand...
>Stealing from us is also stealing from the Lannister house, and Tywin
>Sandor
>Dara
>Humfrey apparently I think it's cool he was dealing AoE damage on our way out kek
Our hitters could get overwhelmed to be sure, and they got some tough guys too, but it's mainly the first point that matters. What's good for Balon is good for us, with the marriage; he has a seat at the table he didn't have in the books. Euron and Victarion may not be at sea when we land, and if they aren't, THEY might wanna hassle us, but we'd still have Balon to keep them in check. Simultaneously, what's bad for us is bad for Balon. He just got smacked for his cheeky little uprising. The Lannister fleet may be in need of repair, but I bet the Iron Fleet is too, seeing as they lost the war. He knows the cost of misbehavior.
Wherever we go next, if Tywin is there, I feel strongly we should bring muscle with us. And seeing as Tywin controls our allowance, we can't just hire sellswords. Once we have our own mercenary company with its own financial structure, that'll go a long way, but until then anyone working for us needs to have REAL loyalty. Ironborn's with fealty to Asha would do. Summer Islander's sworn to Dara, or maybe Sarella, would be alright. Maybe we could pick up some Hightower infantry for a temporary honor guard?
Some warriors that wouldn't defer to Tywin for one reason or another, and whose deaths would create embarrassment or political conflict for Tywin and Robert both.

>>6404303
>I don't think we'll be able to get this little guy to wake up before the War of Five
How long does it take for Danny to hatch her eggs after receiving them? Open question.

>>6404300
About the books, we need to read all of them back to front and then commission a scribe to make copies of them for sure. if you want to be safe with it just hire a talented scribe that doesn't know high Valyrian so the contents stay secret but I am not sure of the benefits of keeping the Maznareon family knowledge secret or sharing it.

The magic tome however should be like a bible to Jason, I would like to teach others magic eventually but Westeros isn't Asshai. I will vote to teach it to Jason's sons and daughters for sure if they are not incredibly psychopathic.

There is a chance the magic inside that book may only work for Jason tho. The Maznareon vault only opened for another Maznareon, and the book might function similarly

>>6404300
>Oh, are we keeping the book?
>>6400969
>>6400975
Some previous ideas
I think we could keep the instrument, egg, and magic swag together. I think we should keep the spear, too, since we have started to know Oberyn and he could teach us. Dara fights with a spear and could teach us. Some anons have talked about Jason being a spear guy, and we were given some throwing spears too. After all that, I felt like the QM gave us the spear on purpose.
We should discuss this more.

>>6404298
Probably lots of money and sponsoring them in their endeavors at home. if they choose to return there. If any of them even survive the rest of the way. It's always possible they're about to die to the last here, or that some of them have worms without knowing it. Or some nasty disease. There's actually a lot of shit to worry about still. Huh. Fuck. But generally the Islanders came out here for adventure and to impress Dara. Obviously everyone is getting paid though. The real question is how we hand out the priceless stuff. Which I think we have a plan?????? for. People have been talking about it for a while at least.

I can't remember. I think people wanted to give Dara the knife or an arakh. But the knife seems to be a ritual item so we might need to hold onto it. Same with the skulls. And the magic book. Which kind of limits handing things out until we get them all figured out. Would have to give away the gilded skull and wind up needing it for some sort of magic.

>>6404300
>jason starts handing out magic books like a wuxia story
>maesters immediately blow him up with wildfire in the town square INSISTING magic isn't real

>book
I'd be willing to part with some of the not-magic books as long as we have access to them, but they're also technically ours because we're the Maz family's last guy now, and it seems those books have legacy values and histories in them. Which would make me feel bad for giving them away. But speaking ONLY for myself, I am completely unwilling to give up the magic book. Not unwilling to let certain people see it, but definitely unwilling to just hand it off.

I'm pretty sure Humfrey gets the shield, which is already a humongous reward. It's a tower shield made entirely out of Valyrian steel. That's insane. Now they just need to find Vigiliance. Who knows what shitter stole that sword from the battlefield way back when.

The Lion's share (get it? kek) is definitely going to Jason and the Lannisters though. Without us all this whole venture never would have happened. As selfish as it sounds. But the egg, while cool, would probably be regarded as a curiosity rather than a prize. After all, no dragons have hatched for hundreds of years. They stopped hatching even before the last of the dragons died. So no one would really think "DAMN I NEED SOME OF THAT!" you know? It's pretty much just a cool rock at this point.

>>6404306
Uh, til Drogo dies. She has them for about two years since she gets them at her wedding to Drogo. So a handful of years after we finally return. Since it's before the War of Five Kings and it pisses Robert off to hear Dany has gotten dragon eggs.

>>6404311
Keeping in mind we have the sword spear and a "regular" spear or two, now.

>>6404311
I agree with the spear because it is cool, but Jason in the end is not that fit to be a frontline fighter.

>>6404306
The dragons are born when she is 14-15 which is 298-299 AC right now it should be around 292 AC.

We might not be able to hatch a dragon egg without the red comet so that is the maximum amount we have to wait

>>6404311
Us keeping the egg, hurdy-gurdy, and magic books is non-negotiable. Personally, I'd like to keep the scale cloak and arakhs for Asha and give the armor to Humfrey. Gerion I think should be given the shield, with a specific point being made to have it melted down and reworked into something else. Maybe a breastplate or greatsword.

>Some anons have talked about Jason being a spear guy, and we were given some throwing spears too. After all that, I felt like the QM gave us the spear on purpose.
While spears ARE very cool, I'm too rapier/saber-pilled to want to make it our primary weapon. Giving the sword-spear to Sarella will hopefully be a big enough gift to the Martells to really start patching up our (Jason's) reputation with the family. I do think we should spec into javelins, though.

>>6404313
>She has them for about two years since she gets them at her wedding to Drogo.
Ok, and that's with her not actively attempting to hatch them, right? If I remember right she just thinks they are petrified, like artifacts basically. But when she is in the funeral pure, there is that moment of what felt to me like instinctive magical transference.
I bet when our first child is born would be the perfect time to hatch this egg.
If not, I imagine dedicated focus on attempting to hatch it would produce results. Maybe we should get pregnant and stop at Oldtown to see if Marwyn and Malora to help us with the egg? Can we trust them at just 5/20 disposition?
Let's assume two years is on the longer end of how much time it takes to get this thing hatched.