Submissive men/boys are in the minority of course, but there's legions of them compared to dominant women. What causes this? Are those men just destined to suffer alone forever?
>>77267836since you're competition are mostly overweight manchildren, twinkmaxxing or himbomaxxing works wonders
>>77267860>you'reyour
>>77267836>What causes this?Microplastics, porn overdose, gay indoctrination, modern gay morality, gay life philosophy.
>>77267836testosterone is low for both men and women. Women stay true to their submissive nature while men gain it. The negative effects of high estrogen for everyone, it is chad only now more than ever.
>>77267860also to add, many girls are switches if you know where to look
>>77267836the cause is generally, someone wanting to give up control at least for a time, its relaxing not having to control every facet of your being.Oh and also being able to trust anyone that much would be nice
Because submissive males are common among species that live in hierarchal social groups. Females tend to only dominate other females and ignore low-ranking males whereas the high-ranking males dominate everyone.
>>77267860Honestly this is probably valid, seems a tiny bit of effort puts you head and shoulders above most competition.
>>77267972So basically, everyone likes to submit every once in a while?
>>77267969>if you know where to lookTell me anonIs it just like kink scenes?
>>77268012Yeah, high stress is bad for you.
>>77267860Domme here, men PLEASE himbo max. Twink/femboy subs are a dime a dozen. A big buff himbo giving you control even though he could easily over power you physically is so hot and also intimate, it shows trust. Gym bros are the best subs.
>>77267981I feel like there are lots of species that behave in the opposite way, though I can't be assed to look it up
>>77268012It is entirely possible to be 100% dominant. You must simply lose faith in the human condition. Go ahead ladies, try your best. I am earth to your humble beetle.
>>77268036Does being dominant not relieve stress? Are those people just fucked in the head?
>>77268044I could probably be a decent himbo if I actually started giving a shit about diet and the gym. Maybe the promise of a dom gf will motivate meDoes that type of body not naturally select for submissive women though?
>>77267998yes and to know what appeals to the female gaze >>77268026>Is it just like kink scenes?definitely not, chronically online girls thst grew up on the internet tend to be kinky
>>77267836Because society has convinced an entire generation of men that you're either a dominant abusechad or you're a submissive softboi, there's no in between.The Overton window for femdom has shifted so far these days that choking is considered vanilla and cowgirl position is considered femdom.
>>77268091If you care about your partner at all, having control implies having responsibility, and that should stress you out a little.
>>77267836>there's legions of them compared to dominant women>tfw no harem of submissive peggable straight twinks
Because the big secret is that being the dominant partner is labor. It's an imposition of labor on the partner who has to take charge and it's a demand to perform. You don't get to enjoy it the way you get to enjoy being the partner being dominated. Being on the receiving end of sexual aggression, passively, is a luxurious experience. Performing sexually is a demand.
>>77268044Unfortunately I can't find the motivation to go to the gym without a gf to go to the gym for.
>>77268119>Does that type of body not naturally select for submissive women though?I would say over all, all male bodies kind of do anyway. Most women do lean submissive, even "vanilla" ones. I think it for sure helps in spaces where people are outwardly saying they are dommes because as mentioned the contrast between a traditionally masculine male doing submissive things is appealing and most subs are either twinky or fat/normal. Or, if you have a normie girl, she would be more willing to try femdom stuff if you have a more masculine build as it might be more fun for her.
>>77268205not many are poly, you can only have this if you market yourself as a pro domme
>>77267836That's biologically how it is. Males are varied across the board, any sort of thing you are bound to find a guy who will fit in, and not just sexually either.Meanwhile females are the conformist gender. They find what average generally works, and the extreme majority vehemently stick to. This is true for most animals in general, not just humans. The females are the boring tow-the-line herd mentality, sort the males are the varied and unique ones who will try anything and everything to find (sexual) success. The risk takers by nature.
>>77268091being dominant doesn't relieve stress, for most people. The stress is being caused by having so much control so getting more control isnt going to help.
>>77268220Ah interesting, sounds almost like that kind of body type is going to have universal appeal, so it's best to stick with that. Though I do find it interesting you say dommes would prefer a masculine sub. Is that just for you personally, or is that pretty standard?
>>77268185>>77268286A lot of people seem to find being out of control extremely stressful outside of sex. Is it just the presence of another person that changes this?
>>77268206>dominant partnerif you don't keep the power dynamic in the bedroom you're stupid
>>77268313Thats the trust aspect, of someone taking control. If you dont trust them it is stressful, if you fully trust them theres nothing to worry about.
>>77268313Having control taken away from you is very different from relinquishing control to someone you trust in a safe environment.
>>77268350No, you are the one who doesn't get it. There's domination through submission and submission through domination.
>>77267836Is it normal to want to be pinned down and fucked? Makes me sopping wet for some reason.
>>77268287>Is that just for you personally, or is that pretty standard?I mean I can't speak for everyone and I wouldn't say its a standard I just think there is an over saturation of feminine men so it might be more enticing if you are not like the hundreds of other subs that throw themselves at dommes.
>>77268044>men PLEASE himbo maxi'm smol, personally for me it's better trying to look like picrel than to look like a buff manlet. also it would be nice to know your age for a little datamine>>77268205can you also tell how old you are pls
>>77268390i'm not talking how the sub tell what the dom needs to do to them, but how it's not a good idea to build the whole relationship around kink
>>77268477>also it would be nice to know your age for a little datamine22
>>77268452I think I get what you're saying. I can't pull off the feminine look anyways so it's motivation to work out at least
>>77268507>22are you the one into himbos?
>>77268452How good/bad is a tall but otherwise normal guy in your opinion? I'm not a gymbro but I'm also not fat or a stick.
MOMMY uwu
>>77268516>are you the one into himbos?Yes>>77268527>How good/bad is a tall but otherwise normal guy in your opinion?This is good, being tall is also included in the whole domming bigger guys things, and tell men look cute on their knees.
The disgust in my veins seeps into the pleasure of your keeping
>>77268564>Yesthank you for being part of a bigger survey
>>77268564Well that's comforting to hear at least. On a related note, and this is simply a degenerate coombrained question, does dick size make any difference to you as far as femdom is concerned?
>>77267836dominant women are mostly lesbians sorry dude
>>77268363I wonder if I actually could manage himbomaxxing, I've got the height but putting on muscle is difficult >>77268477
>>77268206This is why the proper relationship is the man doing all the work and performing outside the bedroom, and the woman treating him as a sex object inside the bedroom.
>>77268625>does dick size make any difference to you as far as femdom is concerned?In regards to femdom specifically no, but in general I like average to large penis. Penis size humiliation is more of a male centered fetish.
>>77268765Thanks, that's more or less what I expected. For the record I wasn't really thinking of humiliation. I'd just heard from one girl that it was more fun to dom hung guys for whatever reason. I assume it's probably the same ballpark as domming tall/muscular guys, but either way I obviously don't know enough about the psychology of dominant girls.
>>77267836>What causes this?Genetics. In humanity's past being submissive must have been rewarded for some men, hence why the behavior is still present in a small part of the male population.>Are those men just destined to suffer alone forever?If we look at the dating market today submissive men are probably the least desirable of all. Especially if they're ugly, they're the bottom of the barrel "manchild" negative stereotype that everyone hates so much. Like that other anon said, the only solution is to either twinkmaxx or himbomaxx, but if you can't do either because you're both ugly AND short then you're absolutely fucked. I lift weights to make the pain go away.
>>77267836ive always wondered if im a dominant woman or just like some subconscious thing to want to be a mum. i just want a younger bf who will be my arms
>>77269097>if they're ugly>manchilddidn't meant that they are ugly but act like retards. They are the ones wanting a replacement for their mom and a full time kink relationship. Also most of them are coomers and anyone can be better than that
>>77269139>i just want a younger bf who will be my armshas it just a nurturing aspect or is there also some form of guidance (or even control)?
>>77269165Acting "like a retard" is ok if you're conventionally attractive, that's precisely what being a himbo means. Like I said, if you can't be a himbo or a twink then it's over.
>>77269191nuturing, control, all of the above. i want a bf who will do as i say with up most respect like a son would for his mum
>>77267876No shot this original comment has never been uttered on /r9k/ up until now. This is way more worth discussing than the 1000th useless fetish talk.Also, submission is easier.
>>77269165>full time kink relationshipI just want a nice gf/future wife who will every so often tie me up and peg me senseless. We aren't all freakers who want to be made bdsm slaves lol. I genuinely hate those people desu
>>77268044what if i became a buff twink?
>>77268876Hung subs are better because:>taking the whole thing is a challenge>feels good even if he just lies there>visually more appealingIt's just rarely talked about because subs tend to be on the smaller side and men care about penis size much more than women overall.
>>77269276>conventionally attractiveif you're a 9/10, you can do what you want, as a you can just get a 6/10 that does kinky shit for you that she is not even into>precisely what being a himbo meansmore like buff airheaded guy (obviously the more attractive the better)>>77269362that is sensible, if you can take a bit if control yourself get a switch gf. they are way more common than full on doms
This thread has given me the urge to lift a heavy object, but I am away from my heavy objects
>>77269335then it's you're definitely dominant, jusy that you don't see a dynamic that goes into that direction often
>>77267836What advantage does a woman get from being dominant? It seems like a women selecting for a man who is dominant gets her a more suitable mate. Whereas if a women is dom or not is irrelevant to most men, being opportunistic is better so they adapt to the situation, so men are just normal on average I guess>>77268044What does this mean, like being a roid guy or just having nice abs and defined muscles?
>>77269451>if you can take a bit if control yourself get a switch gfThat would be ideal since I wouldn't want to bottom every time we fuck but I'd probably be terrible at domming ngl since I'd be asking if she likes what I'm doing and if I'm doing it right every 5 seconds lol. I'm a shy 22yo virgin so no woman who wants someone good in bed would date me lol and I'm far to old to get away with the virgin excuse.
>>77267836I don't know how become a "dominant" person despite feeling very insecure about my submissive nature. I try to work out and whatever but I still feel submissively inclined. Wanting to be "dominant" just seems like psychopathy to me, it very much fucks me up mentally how it is the people with machiavellian traits who do tend to succeed
>>77269139There's a huge range of relationship dynamics that get labeled femdom. Worrying about the semantics is kinda irrelevant. That said, imo most men would probably love what you're describing. At the end of the day pretty much all men want to feel useful and appreciated.
do muscle mommies like twinks?
>>77269610>Muscle mommyNo woman likes terms like this lol
>>77269667okay, muscle ladybetter?now answer the question pls!!!!
>>77269610>muscle mommiesgirls that roid are generally into guys who also roid
>>77267860This really, as long as you're in decent shape and aren't a deranged coomer who also understands dommes aren't fetish dispensers, you stand a decent chance>>77268044Personally i don't like having large muscles, i used to lift a lot but found it just wasn't what i wanted to be
>>77269577It's an innate characteristic anon. You can't change it.
>>77267836patriarchy
>>77270091Glad you found what you were comfortable with! But I am a himbo lover for life, my ex was 6'3 and into lifting and he used to do this thing where I would lean back hear the edge of a chair and he would hold up my thighs and legs with his arms while he ate me out. He looked so pretty like that. And yes absolutely on the dommes are not kink dispensers. We are people and have the same needs. I have seen subs say that performing after care for their dommes ruins their mental image of them. It sucks.
>>77268206This is the manchild logic behind most male "subs"Women are aware of this so they don't bother engaging.
>>77267836because nobody wants to dominate the ugliest man in the world but anyone would want to get dominated by a girl/thread
>>77270967>I have seen subs say that performing after care for their dommes ruins their mental image of them.desu if a girl needs aftercare after doing any of the things I'm into then she's probably too weak for this world. And I also wouldn't want to ask a girl do anything to me that would be so tough on her as to require aftercare.
>>77271049You do realize after care isnt just treating wounds after some hard core bdsm right? It can be as simple as getting them water and cuddling after normal missionary sex.
>>77271106Yeah and I'm saying if the sex is emotionally damaging instead of emotionally fulfilling, I don't wanna do it.Also if you consider "cuddling after normal missionary sex" aftercare then you are way too far down the BDSM rabbit hole.
>>77271150>Also if you consider "cuddling after normal missionary sex" aftercare then you are way too far down the BDSM rabbit hole.Are you retarded? I am saying this should be normal and the default and for a lot of men into femdom it isnt. They treat their partner as an infinite kink dispenser.
>>77271194Cuddling after normal missionary sex is normal and the default for vanilla couples. It's not aftercare, it's just normal postcoital intimacy and if you disagree then I think you're too lost in the sauce. If you agree with me then you worded your post somewhat confusingly.
>>77271150>way too far down the BDSM rabbit hole.BDSM is so fucking evil honestly. I hate how femdom and pegging is now associated with cruelty and sadism and humiliation etc..
look at that image, it is disgusting.why not himbos? those are cute and submissive with the right pinch of masculinity.imagine a himbo who loves pleasing and loves eating pussy. he is so happy that i cuddle him, he is dumb and would ask "how do i fix that femanon? and i would help him to do soimagine him being so cute that i can't get mad at him messing up my lunch or breaking a platelike he is so dumb for existence and so hot that that annuls it any rage or hate towards him and you can't help but love your dumb puppy himbo bfall we get is that faggy shit that looks like yuri
>>77267836not sure but im at least glad ive got to convinced like 3 ex gfs to go along with my foot fetish and femdom bullshit lmao, one of the best orgasms i had was when i was being choked while she rode me
>>77271405Because size is usually the easiest way to visually indicate which character is more powerful, and because most submissive men long for a time when they were small and cute and unconditionally loved.
Women love all kinds of men actually>Tall and jacked>Tall and skinny>Tall and femboy>Tall and himbo>Tall and smart>Tall and fat>Tall and small dicked>Tall and big dicked>Tall with glasses>Tall with long hair>Tall with short hairAnd many more. Women have incredibly diverse taste
>>77271692scared she wont like me and im not redeemable.
>>77270967>Glad you found what you were comfortable with!Thanks, irl i am rarely told this>I have seen subs say that performing after care for their dommes ruins their mental image of themI honestly do not get how giving a domme after care on their domme could ruin their image of themSounds like an issue of them seeing dominant women as sexual objects, their fantasies rely on a caricature created by media and porn
>>77267836I wonder this myself. Why did I have to be born a emotionally aware who has to tryhard to become nonchalant masculine when everything is working against me for being beta I'm an evolutionary fuck up
