Is it absolutely true that there are no "absolute truths"?
We breathe oxygen
>>78859473no, because there are no absolute truths, lol>>78859480we SOMETIMES do, sometines dont, people with nitrous oxide dont, folks with faulty carbon detectors dont
>>78859494>we SOMETIMES doSo we breathe oxygen
>>78859500sometimes, you can also say humans are gay because some of them are, or ants are red because some are
you have double digit iq if you think its a paradox
>>78859473subjectivity and perspective nigga
>>78859473I'd say that's the only singularly true statement. Except that it's self contradictory. Just add a caveat that it is exempt from itself like "There are no eternal facts except this one, as there are no absolute truths except this one."
>>78859473If you go to the hood, youll get mugged.
>>78859480Its not really oxygen.Thats just a name humans came up with
>>78859473I'm cool.
>>78859473omg that's his signature? >Friedrich "Nutz" Nietzsche
he was merely fighting god obviously
>>78859473nope. That's a post-modernist satanic screed. Just because all absolutes have an exception, doesn't mean the exception isn't contemplated by the absolute's very existence.
There are natural laws. That's the closest we have to absolute truths. Will they be the same forever? Are they unchangeable? We don't know. What we know is that they are the same since quite a long time, and that we can't change them. We learned, as humankind, how the rules work and what are the consequences if we break them. This knowledge became tradition as religion and science.
>>78860506>Will they be the same forever? Are they unchangeable?Yes, they need to be since that's the concept of principles.
>>78860511If there is a divine creator, he can change them.
>>78859473the absolute truth is the universe is doing something lol
>>78859473"OP is a faggit" is a truth that transcends spatiotemporality
>>78859473Why don't you read and find out you braindead cunt? I swear to god every fucking faggot these days doesn't even investigate past a wikipedia page or asking some other clueless cunts who don't know either. You know he wrote books right? WHOLE FUCKING BOOKS FOR YOU TO READ YOU FUCKING ADHD CUNT?? Not little poems or quotes to save on your phone but whole entire books you can GO READ FOR FREE NIGGER!
>>78860532the creator is not a material being, but rather a concept. And his concept is that of constance and absolutism, hence he can't change it as that would be autophagic, and the purpose of absolutism is to prevent autophagy.The universe is a logical and self-optmizing algorithm as described, although not in those terms, by Hegrl.
>>78860594Hegel*fuck this shit website that forbids edition
>>78859743Just because aliens may call it something different, doesn't mean it doesnt exist and that we don't breathe it.
>>78859473Nietzsche was a perspectivist. It's not that he believed there were no facts or truths that ground our shared reality, but that A. All facts and truths are always interpreted from the lens of subjective perception; and B. The universe is not made of static objects but dynamic, constantly changing forces. Therefore, there's no "absolute" truth or facts because no such truths or facts can be imagined from an absolute, objective, unchanging perspective. If you observe any object at any point in space and time, even through scientific instruments, you experience them through a subjective lens of space and time and through a subjective lens of sense perception. You cannot avoid this because you cannot escape your subjective perception. He was well aware of your gotcha argument.
>>78860577I wholeheartedly agree, and it took me ten minutes to tty it
>>78859473How can an intellectual say something so retarded? Of course there are things that are true, because truth is reality, Unless he means in a more literal sense that truth doesn't have a degree of being "absolute".
>>78860750>Of course there are things that are true, because truth is realityproof it
>>78859473>misquoting/out of context Nietzsche #7452Is there any other writer that is this badly handled by midwits?
>>78859473for all intents and purposes hes wrong. he's right on an autistic level not worth bothering
>>78860750What is reality? How would you know anything about reality? Reality seems more like a fantasy nowadays.
>>78860752We existThe human body is 70 percent water2 + 2 = 4Cats are carnivoresYou are retardedYou will never be a womanYou will never have sexThese are facts, and facts are reality, and reality is the truth. To deny such things makes you delusional by definition.
>>78860782Reality is existence, existence is reality. Just because you think cutting your dick off makes you a woman doesn't mean you're a woman. Human perspective has the potential to not align with reality.
>>7886075you're right that reality is truthsee what I wrote: >>78860594
>>78860783>2 + 2 = 4can't be proven
>>78860794Why must you say I can't be a woman if I cut off my penis? I have no penis thus I must not a be woman so? I can claim who I can be, I don't need your faggot reality shoved into mine!
>>78859473What the book that quote is from? Yes in it's context it's right >No one dies of fatal truths nowadays, there are too many antidotes>Most people are far too much occupied with themselves to be malicious.>The one necessary thing: A person must have one or the other. Either a cheerful disposition by nature, or a disposition made cheerful by art and knowledge.Fucker is telling you to stop being a fucking loser with obsessions over what data and shit tells you and go out to touch grass and live your life.
>>78860768You haven't even read the book or any of his literate, you don't even know what OPs quote is in context.
>>78860806If you have 1 set of 2 oranges, and another set of 2 oranges, then you add them together to make a set of 4 oranges. I just proved it, if you deny facts then you're a delusional nigger.
>>78860819and i don't plan to. if it needed more context then add it
>>78860823thats not math though, thats a personal representation of the situation
>>78860767Nietzsche deliberately contradicts himself in order to resist easy interpretation, but they're not mere "crude" contradictions - they always offer subtlety and nuance upom more careful examination. It's like poetry. Someone might say "the ice warms my soul": people like OP are sitting there saying "What? Ice is COLD, dummy." But the poem is about the joys of winter and the love of being out in the cold. Nietzsche does this intentionally to stave off the midwits. He never predicted that the internet would put his words in front of the eyes of every retard on Earth.
>>78860831No nigger, this is how logic works. Logic is 100% consistent with reality, it's purely black and white, it's the definition of objectivity, not a matter of opinion. Perspective doesn't automatically guarantee that you understand reality.
>>78860594>almighty creator>hence he can't change it So then not almighty. btfo, Epicurus.
>>78860849you just gave an example in reality to prove your logic and reality can be interpretend in different ways. using logic alone you can't prove 2+2 = 4
>>78860849>Logic is 100% consistent with realityMan ... there's so much in life that's totally irrational, but still real. When you get older you notice that. Logic is good for stem, but not for much more.
>>78860891>reality can be interpretend in different waysDoesn't mean the interpretation aligns with reality. If you tried to lift a 10 ton boulder with your bare hands and delude yourself that you lifted it, it doesn't mean you actually lifted it. Your nigger logic will not fool me.
>>78860916define align with reality in a logical way. you keep using reality to prove your logic
>>78860933Because logic is reality, because reality is consistent, reality is truth, truth is 100% consistent, and the truth is you're a nigger that can't understand reality no matter how many times the truth is shown.
>>78860933>>78860990And reality is also existence, and you will never be a woman because y chromosomes exist in your dna, fuck you nigger faggot.
>>78859473My cock is bigger than yours and i have fucked your mother
>>78860990>logic is realityyoure a giga midwit i think this conversation is beyond your reasoning abilitiesstill didnt provide a definition of aligning with reality
>>78861010>define what an orange is>it's a fruit>YOU STILL HAVEN'T DEFINED WHAT AN ORANGE ISThis is your logic nigger
>>78861004wrong guy
>>78861017you're proving my point but too retarded to realise
>>78861018No she liked it
>>78861017here's yourr featherless biped
>>78861023the definition of aligning with reality is to accept what exists, but you will of course continue being a stupid fucking nigger
>>78861031and who says that the thing you accept that exists is an accurate representation?
>>78859480maybe you do, fleshbag
>>78861038If it's not an accurate representation then it doesn't exist by definition, things either exist or they don't exist. What part of your nigger brain doesn't understand this?
>>78861075>If it's not an accurate representation then it doesn't exist by definitionwhat doesn't exist?
>>78861105the object you're trying to represent is still there, your representation is just wrong. are you saying theres no object that resembles your inaccurate representation? it might exist just not be the one in front of you
>>78859480Until there's nobody left to breath it
>>788611052 + 2 = 5A square circle Santa ClausThese don't exist, the first two are logically impossible for it to exist but Santa Claus can or cannot exist depending on where the domain of existence is. Santa Claus exists as a drawing but doesn't exist as a person.
>>78860593only faggot pseuds with room temperature IQ read b**ks, they will dilute the keen instincts you developed by browsing image boards
>>78861145you're retarded my man. its like arguing math with a chimp
>>78860825>and i don't plan to. enjoy a worthless life where you are fooled by anybody and have nothing to show for it.
>>78861196plenty of people went through life just fine without reading nietzsche. strong autistic cope
>>78860843>Nietzsche deliberately contradicts himself in order to resist easy interpretationAlso translators struggle to get what he is saying out right too. The amount of ministrations of his work is staggering
>>78861175There's no hope for you nigger, you're clearly incapable of reasoning with your watermelon fried chicken brain. Die and burn in hell monkey.
>>78861203>he thinks this is just about one author. You were a midwit that took one line and assumed truth with it, you are the type that won't read or better yourself. Again, stay stupid stay miserable and enjoy being our pet to amuse ourselves with like the OP has done.
>>78861220relax pajeet its not that serious. accept your subhuman status
>>78861230books are for losers, winners do
>>78859473this is about truth as unconcealing (aletheia) vs truth as correctness (verum) from the roman traditionhttps://aphelis.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Martin-Heidegger-On-the-Essence-of-Truth.pdfheidegger makes it more clear in a sort of discrete digestable way. nietzsche requires reading much more of his actual workthe moral relativsm, absolute morality vs subjective morality, modern talk about absolute facts is all mid wit bullshit that has nothing to do with nietzsche and are all fake conversationsyou have to just read people, he has a positive view focus on that if you want to understand him
>>78859473>Is it absolutely true that there are no "absolute truths"?Not really. There are truths that can be proved and are not subject of opinion in a conventional way, like physics' laws which are arguable only as far as research goes. An example for a not absolute truth would be historical events from the past (pre-modern age at least), where we have no way anymore of being certain that what happened is accurate to what the evidence portrays. Social truths, however, are more easily subject of opinions, evidence doesn't seem to have enough value to counterpoint the one of perspective and subjectivity for some reason.
>>78859500what is breathing what is oxygen
>>78860876omnipotence is about potential and concept too. God can conceptualize autophagy, yet may never execute it.
Such a retarded question. It's absolute truth itself that's under question. It's like if someone said "there are no unicorns" and you say "hmm... but what do the unicorns think about that?"
>>78861320to be more specific, he can execute it, just because you can do something, doesn't mean you want it. What God as concept did was to make it impossible for reality itself to 'want' autophagy, although we can conceptualize it.
i personally dont really think anything can be proven completely, you can just question arbitrary weird shit about anything>2 and 2 is 4it would seem so but then you gotta ask shit like, well, do numbers and shit exist in nature or is it something more purely mental?
>>78861579Your access to philosophical language is poor, but your instincts are sharp. Even formal laws of logic require presupposed axioms to be treated as valid. Language itself does not lend itself to certain knowledge, nor does logic, nor any aspect of limited human psychology.
>>78859473God I wish we had more threads like this. It's like a breath of fresh air in a swamp made of shit.
An absolute "truth" is tautological, essentially.
>>78859473Truth, facts, etc. Are always bounded by human thoughts and understanding. It's a tricky subject because well how can you ever know anything? It might even be the case that the mad quest for knowledge is just a side effect of our higher intellect compared to animals and the constant desire to 'know' more and more about anything is nothing but a pathological side effect of our thinking. When you learn about things in the world you essentially just memorize relations and interactions between things. Physicist 'know' what particles do and how they interact with each other and nominally what they are made of. But even with our vast understanding of physics we still don't know what a 'particle' or 'energy' actually is. We know a whole hell of a lot about it's qualities but we don't actually know what they are.
>>78861912Which brings me to my own question on the subject. Can there ever be anything intelligent enough to 'know' everything about the world/universe? I would kind of assume not because that gets into godel's incompleteness theorem. where a subset of a system can never 'explain' for lack of a better word the whole system. but im kind of paraphrasing this and perhaps an anon with a strong mathematics background can better clarify.
>>78861912Not just that, but I think human beings evolved to think in narrative form as a means to preserve consciousness through memory. We have to have a linear conception of time for our memories to be preserved and that linear conception of time necessitates a narrative form of though - which is why knowledge is preserved in mythological form. Those groups who did not pass on practical knowledge to their descendants, like tool making/use, hunting, dangers to avoid, healthy foods, medicines, etc. would leave them at a disadvantage and they would die off more frequently relative to those who did pass it on; and without writing, oral teachings were necessary, which were preserved largely through myth. This means that humans are inextricably bound to a form of thinking that requires meaning and not just brute facts, and so we project meaning onto everything - and we can hardly live without it. But where is the meaning? Is it "out there"? No. We make it up. Yet we expect to "find" or "discover" it.
>>78859473There are eternal truths Only cucks deny them
>>78859473For yourself you exist undeniably. The format in which you truly exist may not be what it appears, or may be, but you existing is a fact by virtue of having experience. Doesnt apply externally though, just for yourself
>>78860767What was he trying to say with that then?
>>78859473there is only one truth
>>78859473yes unfortunately, it's always paradoxes in the end.
>>78862660It's been explained ITT
>>78862471What might those be?
>>78862595Descartes pls go
>>78860511There is some speculation that physical laws might be different elsewhere in the universe. These laws are observed, not proven. They could change.
>>78863074Descartes made the mistake of trying to discern what the nature of the experiencer/experiencing is while also staying in the realm of absolute knowledge
