Why do right wingers always push for "civil debates", and complain about the lack of them "these days", even though they routinely like to argue subjects that inevitably lead to that very same "lack of civility"?We had something like this happen just the other day. People with right leaning views wanting to talk about how "impossible" it is to have any discussions with anybody without someone getting heated about it. But it didn't take long before they started debating about topics like abortions (with largely pro-life stances), LGBT rights, and even claiming that programs like affirmative action were "discriminatory" against white men, etc. And the results were pretty much how you expected them to play out, even though some of these arguments are inherently "uncivil", and encroach on civil rights, which is why they're difficult to approach in any fair and balanced way.It sometimes seems like "civil debates" or "peaceful discussions", as concepts, are more often used as bad faith attempts to engage in vitriolic rhetoric without risk at being held accountable for them, or even argued against, which is ironically against discourse as an overarching principle. Some subjects can't be broached "peacefully", and require more active means of arguing.
I think debating with leftists is pointless. I've always told right wingers this. These people are your enemies. They are not your countrymen. They are not your political opposition. You don't debate people like this. Go fuck yourself, OP
They want to feel human but is just copium, they know their "ideology" is basically selfish cowardice that can be effectively reduced to "I don't care what the fuck happens to all of you as long as I'm fine"That's impossible to debate, so they have to behave like that regardless of what they discuss.
>>79290422>bad faith attempts to engage in vitriolic rhetoric without risk at being held accountable for them,Ding.>"Hey let's engage in a civil debate and be cool.">"By the way here's why group X doesn't have the right to exist alongside me"Far right in-groups can't debate in a civil way because their entire belief system is uncivilized. They try to paint you as crazy for being upset with their primitive tribalism and hate.
>>79290422Right wingers don't want civil debates, it's just posturing. They're evil and rotten people, and the only way they can win is via demagoguery and fear mongering. They hate the truth like nothing else, and they lie constantly without a shred of shame.
>>79290422Hello you posted this on the wrong board please fuck the fuck off. >>>/pol/Gatekeep harder faggots
There's no point to it really. All left wingers should just be aborted. They were given many chances to be civil. They are just too stupid. Makes sense when you think about it. If they had a working brain they never would have become lefties in the first place.You're pro choice, yeah? So you have no right to complain about right wing death squads. You like affirmative action, don't you? Then you should have no problem with the system deciding who gets to live based solely on skin color, sexuality, and ethnicity. According to leftism this is a perfectly valid and fair system, yet they will cry and poop their pants if their own policies were in use against them. You would never hear a right winger complain about being allowed to live, or making fair wages, or being able to have money. They actually want their policies used against them. So I guess we are in agreement. There is absolutely no place for civility when in comes to discussing or enacting politics. I fully support more active means of arguing.
>>79290443You seem really dumb and like you have an extremely fuzzy idea of what you're talking about. You go fuck yourself. Or go to your middle school classes, should be open today. Leftists are not a monolith. Neither is the right. There's stupid conservatives and intelligent ones.
>>79290443America and Europe are the only country where treachery is applauded and traitors are worshipped as heroes. Leftism is anti-human and they make no attempt to hide this fact. The obsession with debate is boomer nonsense. Maybe back in ye olden days, like the 1920's when the biggest political issue was what color to paint the bikeshed, debate was a good path to an agreeable solution. Times are very different now and the stakes much higher. Debating issues is almost as stupid as seeking compromise for what we face before us.
>>79290422If you walk around random places wearing a KAMALOO 2024 t-shirt and a DRUMPF 2024 t-shirt, the chances of someone physically assaulting you or shouting slurs at you are going to be considerably higher with the DRUMPF t-shirt, even though support of the general public is roughly the same for both candidates, Drumpf probably winning even. >uhh actually that's not trueDrumpf had 2 assassination attempts at him by loony leftists>uhh that doesn't count!Many liberals responded with support for the assassins, even public figures said that it would've been better if Drumpf died. You don't see anyone talking about Kamaloo deserving to be assassinated, not even /pol/tards. Granted that's partly because she's a very blatant puppet, but still. I know this is a bait thread, but my post is also bait.
>>79290658>by loony leftistsThey were both Infowars listening nut-jobs.Literally no one on the left thinks Trump is some kind of brilliant dictator. He's a sad old man that sway-dances to November Rain when he can't remember what to say.You're the idiots that elevate him to god-hood and we can't figure out why.
>>79290516Everyone has some group they don't think has the right to exist. You are not superior just because you think trans people should have rights, you agree with the general principle that if someone's existence makes you uncomfortable, then they shouldn't exist. There's only a slight disagreement about which groups this applies to.Also, most right wingers don't even want to kill trans people, they just want them to remain closeted or to kill themselves.
>>79290932>Everyone has some group they don't think has the right to existDelusional "everyone must think like me, what how could they not?" simple-mindedness.I have groups I don't like. Yours for example. But I don't think you shouldn't have a right to exist, because as a human I rely on my rights to keep shit like the 20th century massacres from happening again. Brutality, savagery, and pointless hate are things I don't want to contend with in the twenty-first century.Yes, I want things to be better but forming in-groups to create legislation against entire groups of people is not the way to do it.>most right wingers don't even want to kill trans peopleOh yeah. Just a few of them. Crazy to even admit you support the ideals of murderous homophobes. Can't you see how insane that is or are you too drunk on Kool-Aid?
>>79290422It's just ad hominem. It's always ad hominem. It will never not be about ad hominem with those braindead fucks. Every one of their beliefs is foundationally flawed, so ad hominem is the most powerful tool they have for winning over the stupid people who support them. That's all it is, that's all it's ever been.
>>79290709Nice redditspacing, pepperino retard
>>79290443>think debating with leftists is pointlessThey all say the same stuff mostly anyway and their arguments always fall apart. Waste of time. There needs to be a civil war already. I bet most people living in America would vote for their areas to leave their current state and be absorbed into a different state. Usually the people who are liberal all live in the one to three large cities in each state with everyone else being against liberalism.
>>79290580>Leftists are not a monolithYes you are lol. There's any number of questions I could ask and pretty much every leftists will say yes to.
>>79290422it was always self evident to me that right wingers were people who actually love their country while leftist were just the violent mob not of peasants, but privileged upper middle class scrawny white kids.i am on the right side. though i hate both. humans always think principles are the way to guide society instead of what is necessary. abordtion is fine in such a populated country. in an underpopulated country abortion is not fine. immigrants are fine if they are from developed nations, immigrants are not fine if they are from brutal backwaters where they have been fighting eachother for 6000 years.the right are almost just as big of moralfaggots as the left when it comes to certain things.
>>79290709>You're the idiots that elevate him to god-hood and we can't figure out why.they elevate him to god-hood because he is a strong male figure in a world of limp wristed, cowardly, fake, dishonest politicians.
All leftists should be deported to Africa. Except for AOC. She can stay
>>79291411That was satire right?>cowardly, fake, dishonest politiciansI assume it has to be, but in this day and age you can't be sure.
>>79290422To be honest with you... I hope you destroy each other. I'll come down from the mountains when you morons are done failing at your wars. I mean hey, on the bright side, America gets to defeat itself a second time. That's exciting, but they will never learn their lessons. You retards want to be ruled over, but cannot decide which shithead to put in charge over you, so how do you decide which slavemaster gets to whip you? You kill each other. rofl
