What happened in 1994 that made the world suddenly better and can we do it again?
>>80079361It was something in their birth, not in the time of their death.
>>80079361how about you do some preliminary research before asking r9k, this thread is all bones no meat.
You already know the answerVidya saves lives
BritneySpice GirlsBackstreet BoysN'SyncThe Rock n' Roll people got mad back in those days.
>>80079361>What happened in 1994Everyone who thought things were bad commit suicide. If the rate of suicides is increasing, it will eventually hit a point where everyone who is going to commit suicide is dead. You know.. because they commit suicide. The question you SHOULD be asking is, "what changed from 2007 to 2010 to make new people want to commit suicide?"
>>80079361>What happened in 1994 that made the world suddenly better
>>80079361Depressing hiphop and grunge music were the most popular genres to youth at that time
>>80079411>2007 to 2010That isn't when most of the increase happened, and also that's the wrong question to ask.OP asked the right question since the rate dropped down by a lot starting in 1994 and then eventually started going back up to around the original baseline starting a decade and change later. It's not like it went from baseline to very high. It went from baseline to low back to baseline again, following a less extreme / more gradual upward trend. If you remove the creater you can see a linear trend going slightly upwards over time.
>>80079377Actually you might be on to something. The uptick is around the same time fagbook and other sites started running psychological experiments on users.
>>80079411>>80079452*remove the *crater*
there was a backlash against the first phase of political correctness and for a short time they actually catered to the interests of young boys instead of cringe ass white girlshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5xqhWWWV1k&ab_channel=LifeofSlice
>>80079430Unironically probably this. The digital consumer age was starting to take off. Vidya.
>>80079361Fuckin KIIIIINNNNOOOOOO happened.
>>80079361>What happened in 1994 that made the world suddenly better and can we do it again?And what caused it to rise again?
>>80079361good video games, it's the only thing men have in this world anymore
>>80079452What are you talking about, that's when the big ass dip is the suicide rate changed. 2007 is when it bottomed out and STOPPED decreasing. And in around 2010~ is when the trend continued upwards and broke the previous high in 2004~. Something happened between 2007 which made new people suicidal.>>80079488This. This RIGHT here. He is asking the right question.
>>80079361>we beat racism>everything was based>the internet was a wild west thing only nerds could get on
>>80079361>What happened in 1994 that made the world suddenly better and can we do it again?The Playstation was released December 3rd in Japan.
>>80079510The right question is why it stopped following the gradual upward trend and cratered.It going back to that trend later on just means whatever caused it to go down went away.
>>80079555That question is easily answerable. They died. This whole copium shit about it being video games is turbo stupid. Video games were great from like the 80s onward. Atari and Sega were so fucking fun.It's simply because the people who were going to commit suicide did, and then all that was left were the people that wanted to live. The ONLY question to be asked is, what made those new people want to commit suicide? It's not that something went away, it's that a new problem arose. And that new problem arose in 2007.You're reading the trend completely wrong.
late 90s and early 2000s was a back lash against the first wave of what now is called woke, but was called political correctness. everything was extreme, extreme sports, extreme x men, generation x.2007-2008 was the rise of obama, millennials were supposed to enter college, great recession, occupy wall street and the start of liberal moral policing which is now called wokeI feel like that era, 2007-2016 is over now, it tried extending itself with biden, but the woke era is truly over with a trump second term
>>80079620>the people who were going to commit suicide did, and then all that was left were the people that wanted to liveThat doesn't explain anything since people always commit suicide. The difference is in how many are doing it, not whether or not they do it.Before and after the crater match up as the same trend.The crater is what's interesting, not the return to baseline.
>>80079701>late 90s and early 2000s was a back lash against the first wave of what now is called woke, but was called political correctness. everything was extreme, extreme sports, extreme x men, generation x.There was definitely a fad to call everything extreme (as exemplified by Poochie on the Simpsons in 1997).I never thought of that as having any sort of anti-leftism connotations though.In fact I'd group in grunge and excessively progressive and anti-male people like Kurt Cobain as part of the same 90s "extreme" counterculture zeitgeist.Being against the system back then was being against capitalism and macho sports playing jerks. Extreme sports were an alternative to football / basketball jocks and focused on weirder shit like skateboards or even Magic the Gathering which was briefly on ESPN2 if I remember correctly.
>>80079361It stopped a bit in 2003 because st.anger was released, only to drop even lower cause everyone heard how bad it was
I'm in my mid 30s and kids, I can tell you exactly why the 90s and early 00s were fucking rad.>Disposable income was still very high>Rent was cheap and Housing was plentiful thanks to a construction boom bought on by strong western trade and cheap building materials>The same 6 companies didn't own fucking everything yet, the same 6 Investment banks, that also own each other, own >90% of the things you buy as they not only own the distributors and outlets but also the materials collectors and manufacturers. Look it up, It's fucking wild.>There was a technology boom thanks to breakthroughs in consumer technology>Europe and the USA had cities that weren't flooded with immigrants>It was OK to fuck up. Nobody had a camera just in their pocket and you could only hang out with your friends if you got off your ass and met them somewhere>Women weren't nearly as slutty and house moms were still a thing and fucking awesome because women could still cook>ESG, Inclusivity, DEI and all of that other faggy shit didn't exist and didn't until Occupy Wallstreet. We got too greedy and started noticing too hard.
>>80079746Oh damn, St. Anger was ridiculously bad. I didn't understand how that made it to market without anyone telling them no.
>>80079746St. Anger was criminally underrated though
>>80079620It was the financial crisis. Unemployment spiked to 10%. Those who didn't get shit canned often took demotions or pay cuts to keep their roles. Many of the cut roles were older people with lots of experience that had built up many years of raises. Any young person entering the workforce was competing against people who had decades of experience, even for jobs that paid just over minimum wage. >what made those new people want to commit suicide? Men kill themselves when they lose their purpose. It's not because of suffering or living crummy lives. Men will cheerfully delve into the coal mines and fight in gun battles with mercenary groups to protect their means to provide for themselves and their loved ones.Once you've lost your purpose, all you have left is hope. When you run out of hope, you kill yourself. The most suicidal I've ever felt was after Obama addressed the public during the financial crisis and called it the "New Normal". I was struggling, and the guy in charge told me that it wasn't going to get better, and that there were no plans to restore the future I was had been working toward my whole life.
>>80079704The crater is the thing that is uninteresting. The supply of people who wanted to commit suicide dropped. Because they died. You know... Because they commit suicide. It really is that simple. If 15 out of 100 people commit suicide, the 15 people commit suicide then you need another 100 new people before the 15 returns. You know... because they died.There's two interesting points, the increase before the dip, and the increase after the dip. If the rate increases, it HAS to drop. Because when people commit suicide they can't do it again. The only thing that's interesting is when it's increasing.Put 100 people in a room, 15 of them want to commit suicide. They commit suicide at one per day.There's 85 people in the room that don't want to commit suicide.Thus, the suicide rate drops to 0 per day.The only interesting thing is if some of the the remaining 85 people now have a desire to commit suicide. Or if a new population of people comes in, say the children of the 85 and they return to the old average of 15 out of 100.This is all that graph is showing. The dip is to be expected, it's like thinking the sun rising is particularly interesting. It's not.
>>80079361Dumb and dumber came out
>>80079772>>The same 6 companies didn't own fucking everything yetI was born in 1986 and I remember in grade school during the 90s one of my teachers showed me a chart that had every name brand and how they all were owned by the same small number of parent companies like GE or Johnson & Johnson (was a very long time ago so I don't know for sure if those were two of the parent companies on there).
>>80079772If you're in your 30s you would have been a kid in those years, no way you would have known anything about disposable incomes and housing market
>>80079793>The supply of people who wanted to commit suicide dropped. Because they died. You know... Because they commit suicide. It really is that simple.People have always committed suicide but that sort of crater in suicide rate hasn't happened since World War 2. You can't explain it by saying "everyone who wanted to die was already dead." That makes no sense since of it were the explanation then we'd always see cratering instead of only seeing it during that one specific block of time.
>>80079793>The supply of people who wanted to commit suicide dropped. Because they died. You know... Because they commit suicide. It really is that simple.That's a chart of people 15-24, idiot. There are always fresh people being added to the cohort that weren't there before. There was no giant spike of people killing themselves before hand.
>>80079741it was less about being right wing and more about being extreme and politically incorrect. being vulgar and in your face became cool as a backlash against late 80s early 90s pc moral policing.
>>80079777Nah more like criminal to even be created
>>80079741Oh god I remember when everything had x in the fucking title.
>>80079775Seriously. I love metallica so much but.. even the greatest fail sometimes ig
>>80079819No shit I was a kid, that's how I know it was awesome. How do I know disposable income was high? My mom was a teaching assistant and my dad was a janitor and they had a mortgage on a 4 bedroom house, had 3 kids, 2 dogs, 2 rabbits and a rat and could still afford to take us to the cinema or a theme park and buy us toys and games and go on holiday once a year. I'm a manager at a software company and my mortgage on a 3-bedroom house is over 1/3 of my paycheck, food is the most costly it's ever been, i'm spending in one day what my parents paid for in energy bills in 2 fucking weeks and I have to save for a couple months to buy things my parents would not have thought twice about.Things. Are. Worse. We must start constructing the fucking guillotines. Those who rule us have gotten too cheeky and fat off of our hard labour. They need to be reminded that we can't silently be replaced by third worlders who will work for slave wages because their alternative is their curry and shit staned rape pit countries.
>>80079361>1994America high off the collapse of the USSR in 1991, The Columbine Massacre in 1999 and the resulting hysteria, overreaction, and misuderstanding from it hadn't happened yet. Boomer/Gen X narcissists projected their hatred of men onto their sons without realizing it, and the sons absorbed that energy and took out their anger that they got from their parents back at the school(wrong people) instead of disciplining their parents/boomers/genX. It sucks that older emotionally immature people have to be disciplined by younger people but that's how it is because they never grew up. Malignant Narcissism Revisted by Professor Sam Vaknin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwALiv_0Nxg&ab_channel=LifeofSlice
>>80079793>The supply of people who wanted to commit suicide dropped. Because they died. You know... Because they commit suicide. It really is that simple. The reasoning prowess of r9k... I kneel...
>>80079819NTA, but I'm 37. My first apartment was $450/month in 2005, utilities included. I had a roommate, and made $15/hr after tips delivering pizza. On a good weekend I could cover my entire month's rent of one weekend of tips.Same year I got my ticket to the VANS warped tour for $25 and hooked up with a cute punk chick. You can't even cover the ticketmaster fees for $25 anymore. If you do go to a concert you're not gonna. find any teenagers. I still go to shows, and it's a bunch of old people like me, and I don't just go out to see boomer groups. Young people today can't afford the life I had back then.You didn't have to know the number to see that people could afford shit and were generally happier people.
>>80079361>What happened in 1994 that made the world suddenly betterWe bombed Yugoslavia>can we do it againYes
>>80079871In all fairness, the story you tell sounds like an unbelievable fantasy to a young person. It sounds like a boomer tall tale about walking up hill both ways in the snow to school, except in reverse. I can hardly believe it myself sometimes, but I lived it. It really was that good.
>>80079824>You can't say that the suicide rate was decreasing because they were committing suicidewat that is LITERALLY what was happening. As people commit suicide, less people commit suicide. That's how dying works. You only get to do it once. Just look, the suicide rate had been on the decline since the 50s.The suicide rates increased drastically around the time of the great depression. Then decreased as time went on, because the supply of suicidal people went down, again, due to dying. Then WW2 came around and gave people purpose.There was no "big crater". It was a tiny little blip. Suicide rates has been super low for like 70 years. >>80079831Hey dipshit, it takes a full generation for new 15-24 year olds to appear. Kind interesting that the peak was in 1993 and the end of the "crater" was 2015. Hmm, almost exactly 20 years. whoda thunk it?! It's exactly long enough for a new generation of angsty 15-24 year olds! Realy makes you dink! I wonder if the reason there was a big dip is because all the angsty teens DIED? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
>>80080009anon, every year 14 year olds turn 15
>>80079772>didn't until Occupy Wallstreet. We got too greedy and started noticing too hard.I was with you until you had a lapse in memory with this statement.This happened toward the very end of the 00's and were the result of those same 6 investment banks screwing with the housing market for over a decade. The average Joe was feeling the consequences of yuppies playing hot potato with sub-prime loans, the same yuppies who got bailed out while the average Joe was told to suck it up and deal with it.
>>80080021There is no generational difference, though. And, also, no. Not everyone 14 year old turns 15. Some of them die.The point is though, that when all the people of one generation commit suicide you need to wait until the next generation. In this case, you'd need to wait 15 years. Which is EXACTLY what happened. The graph is measuring the rate of suicide between 15-24 year olds.The big dip is 23 years long.Which means? All the 15-24 year old's who were going to commit suicide did, and died. Then the next generation came along and picked up the rate where it was left off.This shit is terribly simple. Like literally elementary level stuff.
>>80080175bro this is how many days in a week shit, it's hopeless for you
>>80080175You're missing a big part of the picture and I feel slightly embarrassed and a little pity for you, tourist.
>>80080033You don't have the whole story then. Occupy Wall Street was co-opted from the inside out. Leftists infiltrated the organization and implemented the "Progressive stack", where people higher on the "oppression" tier list could cut in front of others when it came to taking the stage for public speaking.The conspiracy theory is that these leftists were hired by the same Wall Street types in order to sow division and undermine the movement. I don't personally believe it. Commie progs are always looking to infiltrate any cultural movement and ruin it.Regardless of the cause, the Wall Street saw the destructive power of these concepts and started implementing them. Sow a little internal division, keep industry from unionizing, wheels keep turning, you stay rich. It's the entire reason why ESG funds were seen as sound, safe investments.
>>80079377Video games, yes.This era was comfy.After we got corpos fucking up with peoples freedoms and also brains and choices (matchmaking). BTW same corpos run matchmaking of dating apps...
>>80079361Things were just awesome back then
>>80079361>1994>crime bill passes>mass incarceration of niggers ensues>ushers in a golden age in the US>fast-forward 15 years>massive uptick in "social justice">people point out that niggers are disproportionately incarcerated>this is considered racist>nobody ever stops to think it might be because they're dangerous niggers>sudden spike in violent crime, depression, suicide, property crime, drug use, rap musicHMM
>>80079772this, but also social media and smartphones contributed to making this hell even hotter
>>80079772>>Europe and the USA had cities that weren't flooded with immigrantsThis part is pretty off. In one single state in the US alone Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million illegal Mexicans. This has been going on since the 60s over here and even earlier in Eruope with Turkish "guest workers" being imported afer WW2, though admittedly we pressured and promoted that concept for whatever reason to West Germany.
>>80079361Surprisingly the music of that time period gave them an outlet
>>80079361https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recession
>>80079361>2008>starts going back upKill all wallstreet fatcats
> YOU CANT KILL YOURSELF BECAUSE UR LIFE SUCKS YOU GOTTA KEEP ON LIVING, WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING :(
