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I abandoned my wife today. I'm obviously an extremely shitty person for doing what I did, but I can't fucking help it.

So the thing is, we have a retard daughter. We found out when she was pregnant that this fucking thing would be a retard. I told my wife to abort it, but she didn't agree and gave birth to it, to my dismay.

I can't fucking deal with having a retard kid. She costs a lot of money, she shits everywhere. It's a nightmare dealing with her day in, day out. It's hell on earth.

My wife and our retard daughter are currently visiting the UK, my wife's family is from there. She thinks I couldn't come because of work.

But I have signed divorce papers and left them by the front door when she gets back home, which will be tomorrow. I've packed what shit of mine I can, and I've left the house we share.

I'm currently at a motel, and just got done fucking this hot escort, which was good. I'm from Australia, but I have booked a flight to Thailand which leaves tomorrow afternoon.

I lived there for a couple of years when I was younger. I have some money saved in a bank account I never told my wife I had, and I'm just going to live on the cheap there, and figure out how I can generate an income once I'm there.
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>>80086686
Damn thats about to be a shit ass life for her
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Exquisite, this one is
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>>80086686
It's sad you can't just euthanize the poor creature.
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based as fuck, her fault for not getting an abortion when she knew what was coming
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>>80086686
Sounds like a skill issue from her, she has the power to make more yet chooses to keep a retard. Play stupid games win stupid prizes, unless it was basically a miracle child it was coming.
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>>80086686
>I told my wife to abort it, but she didn't agree and gave birth to it, to my dismay.
I don't blame you. I think it's insane that laws worldwide don't give any rights to men in situations like these. Basically if the woman wants to carry on with the pregnancy, you're fucked. You're either forced to pay child support or forced to be a father for a child you never wanted.
Leave the bitch. Don't let her force you into living a miserable life just because she was ok with birthing a retarded child. I'd go extra and move to another country and attempt to escape paying child support, because as I said, it's incredibly unfair. Nobody should be forced to parent or pay for a child they never wanted.
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>>80086686
reddit spacing makes this so fucking hard to read what the fuck
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>>80086686
pics or it didnt happen ragebait idoit
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>>80086686
Only mistake you made is you should have left right when she refused to abort the retarded daughter. People that are against aborting the mentally retarded are crazy. That's not a life to wish on anyone just put the thing out of it's misery. We're just apes not some magical chosen animals it's really not deep or complicated. Other than that good on you. Fuck suffering just because women are stupid fucks with their lives.
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>>80086694 She had it coming. When she was pregnant and the doctor told us that she would give birth to a retard, I literally begged her to abort it.

I told all the reasons why. I told her it would put our marriage under immense strain, and that it would be expensive and difficult. I told her that our retard kid wouldn't have any kind of quality of life.

Everything I said was true times 100. She didn't listen, she gave birth to it anyway. I tried my best to stick it out and help her. But I've reached the end of my tether. I can't live like this.

I'm just going to dip out to Thailand and fuck some whores. I don't give a fuck anymore. I'm tired.
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>>80086746
>pics or it didnt happen ragebait idoit
hello? op can you read?
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As bad as your daughters life would be growing up retarded, you made it a lot worse by making her grow up fatherless too. Regardless of whether or not your wife should have aborted her, she's here now and parents are supposed to love their children. I think you're a bad man for leaving.
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>>80086731
>I think it's insane that laws worldwide don't give any rights to men in situations like these
There doesn't have to be laws for it. If you don't want a kid then don't have sex. If you do then accept that no matter what you do with contraceptives or vasectomies there is always a chance.
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>>80086979
>>80087038
its just fake ragebait, dont engage with it anons, shits not real
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>>80087061
how is it rage bait if all of us agree with him?
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>>80087038
>If you don't want a kid then don't have sex.
I agree, but that's easy for us incels to do. For most normies, this is not a realistic solution.
It would be better if both men and women had an equal say in wether a pregnancy goes forward or not.
Not like it is now where a crazy woman could steal your cum from a used condom and shove the sperm inside her to get pregnant.
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/11/woman-who-impregnated-self-with-stolen-semen-from-billionaire-wins-child-support-battle/
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>>80086686

im also the father of a low functioning development child. Level 3 autism diganosis form a freak chromosome deletion

no one else understands. changing diapers until they are older and taking huge shits everywhere. old enough to gather strength and speed but not coordinated enough to use, hurting themselves and everyone around them constantly. Always requiring 24/7 direct supervision or they will shove something into their eye, their asshole, their mouth, or slam their face against the wall.

Have to take a dump? too bad, if you leave them alone their will be bleeding when you come back, or smeared their shit they dug out of their ass into the walls and toys. or bring them with you and have them smack/hit/punch you nonstop and break things, or try to reach into the toilet bowl to grab your shit and smear it because they dont understand.

Want to sleep? Absolutely not. you will never sleep more than 4 hours consistently at a time ever again. Ever. EVER.

You either pay $90k CASH a year for a specialized caregiver or you/your wife will never both get time with the kids. School's wont take them for consistent amounts of time, and when they do, they are always requiring some stupid shit. odds are your kid gets sent home because of issues or he has to go to a school 1-2 hours away with the capabilities.

Want to move on with your life? Too bad, when he's 18 he ain't going anywhere unless you want to ship them off to the state.

Your life ends when you have a retarded child. Your wife's life is also over. Your other children must now sacrifice their ears, their college funds, their toys, their personal space. They will never have both parents at their big events.
When your other kids are 18, they will move far away to be gone from their sibling who has taken everything from them.

My wife lied about being on birth control to squeeze another kid out. Ill never forgive her for it. Once our other children at 18, I'm gone and ill never speak to her again.
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>>80086686
your biggest mistake is not doing it sooner anon
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>>80087284
This is one of the most depressing posts I have ever read on this website
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Ignore that deleted post where I basically called you guys "weak-minded" and that this is a "skill-issue". It's not. It's really really not.

This shit just pisses me off. Good luck to you, especially >>80087284.
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>>80086686
Based.
I remember the time I left my wife....
She was taking too long shopping for cloths and I got bored and went home and had a beer. She had to walk 5 miles. She was PISSED.
She still brings that up in to our marriage counselor.
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>>80087414
>marriage counselor

I hope you've been saving up for the alimony
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>>80087358
Still think life is a gift lol
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Whether true or not this and

>>80087284
this

are some of the most horrifying things I've read in a long time and make me thankful that younger me was so talented at talking women I was attracted to out of having sex with me. It seems there truly is no way to play your cards right as a roll of the dice can just knock you the hell out anyway. Even if she got the abortion the emotional mindrape she would have undergone would have ended your marriage anyway.

incel life is rough in your early 20's but it ain't so bad once your hormones start calming down
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>>80087358
I worked my whole life, 80 hours a week in my 20s to give my kids the life i never had and always wanted. Instead it goes right into the shitter with the retard. They get the father-who-is-never-around, but also get none of the resources from it. I desperately just wanted to be a good father, which is why i havent left my wife (then i'd only see my kids half the time, at most). but it is devasting that they have to deal with this.

>>80087404
thanks. I only wish for stronger shoulders to handle this better. i don't want to feel bad for myself, i want to just handle it and move forward, but it's so grating. my house just constantly smells like shit. all the time. i mention it because they just smear it everywhere and into everything. the floors. the walls. the furniture. its everything and it's overwhelming. we still ahve to use diapers (imagine changing diapers 10 years after for a ten year old), and he's strong enough now that he just rips it off through his clothes whenever he wants, shits through his pant leg, and stomps it around. he doesnt realize he's shitting either, he just does it because it's reflexive.

>>80087513
we got tested afterwards. neither of us are carriers for what he has. the genome testing place said it was "one in a 9 billion chance" and said we are fine to have more kids with no elevated risk of it again. my wife wasn't even 30 when she had him, she was still in her 20s. we did everything right and god decided to ruin all our lives. the retard doesnt even understand anything. hes non-verbal. its not like a down-syndrome kid who is jolly, can talk and understand and have a personality, but is just slow. The kid has the mind of a 9 month old, but in the body of a ~10 year old kid. destructive.
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>>80087038
god forbid foods EVER take responsibility before getting a dick crammed in her cunt
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>>80087597

Do you love him? Do your other kids love him? (if you have others) Do you still love your wife?

Do you even believe in love anymore?
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>>80087074
>how is it rage bait if all of us agree with him?
pics or it didnt happen
i dont care
ragebait goodbye
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reading through this post, your wife is a bitch for not aborting her. I can't imagine the hell that life the child will have especially with that form of autism, it's fucking shit with my form of autism already where everything is fucking stressful. Can't imagine what the poor child will endure for the rest of her life.

Op I say this with sincerity your ex is selfish by forcing her and you to live through this. No one should deal or live with this mental issue and there is no reason for this to happen.

I've also seen that neither of you are carriers, i suggest getting a dna testing kit to make sure the child really is yours before she pulls out child support alimony on you.
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OP, how does it feel, knowing that a female version of you is retarded and will get abused and likely pimped out by her own mother to freaks cus she can't fight back and mommy will need the money? No need to answer if you are a nigger though, cause then it's just what you love.
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>>80088204
Can retards legally consent? Genuine question
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>>80088150
Honestly i wish I did. There's just nothing to really love. He has no affection or personality, he just screams and eats and shits. He's either quiet because he has all his needs met (he was just fed, he just took a shit, he has his music playing at max volume, and someone is playing his rote memory toys...he needs to have a single play box that the toys do a specific thing with over and over on repeat forever), or he's screaming.

I don't love my wife anymore. everything i hear the scream i think back to when she deceived me to have this child. she's never apologized or regretted it, she just says it was MY FAULT?? for not controlling her when she has "post partem craziness" (our other kid was born more than a year before it).

i love my other kids. its the only reason i do this. theyre the best thing to happen to me and i suffer through all of it for them. they don't deserve this burden. everytime i fantasize about killing myself to be free of this prison, i just know that my wife would gaslight and throw the burden on my other kids and their lives would also be ruined...which is worse than death.
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>>80088254

That is absolutely brutal. I'm glad you have a reason to keep going and I hope on the other side of this you can SEAmax and get lots of prime asian cunny
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>>80088234
Sometimes they can't. Because if they are so retarded that they can't understand it or can't function properly, they can't consent
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>>80088234
Even a potato can let you know if she likes it when you pet her kitty or not anon.
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>>80086686
giga based,you did right thing anon
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>>80088365
It's Thailand, dude will wind up sucking a ladyboy's dick within 6 months and his kids who aren't retards will have to explain their father is absentee because he couldn't just take the others and support them.
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>>80086746
If she throws the kid in the foster system and begs you to take her back would you?
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>>80086686
>he didn't kill his daughter in infancy.
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>>80086686
>and just got done fucking this hot escort, which was good.
LMAO. where did you get her? local brothel? internet? your wife is retarded
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I left my wife today, oh boy
She had a retard kid that costs a lot
and while I told her to abort
she did a woman thing
she thought illogically

She's seeing family overseas
I've left her papers for our divorce
Now I'll be going to Thailand
where I'll be free to fuck and suck
and sneed and feed some pretty cute ladyboys
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>>80086686
Should've done something to induce a miscarriage
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>>80086686
>got a retard kid
>turns out it's just half brit half aussie
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>>80086686
This would be my biggest fear as a normie. I saw a post on social media of a family having to care for their disabled child. It seems they have to do this for most of their life now; the kid isn't capable of caring for themselves. Holy fuck. It's understandable to care for a child if they got into some kind of accident, but it's completely retarded to allow a being into existence that can't care for themselves. All for what? To spare your feelings? It's unethical. Fucked up. If my wife willingly let a being into existence that can't care for themselves, she is retarded and probably some control freak. I didn't consent to have a disabled born child.
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>>80088577
>I didn't consent to have a disabled born child.
And the child isn't even mentally capable. Both mentally disabled and physically. WTF? For what? they are crazy
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>>80086686
Normalfags have no moral fiber these days, we need a new war
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>>80088523
>>80086686

This one's for you, OP

https://www.udio.com/songs/1pJAGaB6hBUuLDFqptDhTJ
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>>80088577


im not op but other poster. my wife and i tested for everything beforehand. everything was fine until the kid was 4 months and just...stopped hitting milestones. forever. turns out he had a one in a billion unnamed, novel chromosome deletion that manifest as extreme autism and developmental disorder.

neither of us were carriers, just the freak of nature accident in whcih one of the genes doesn't replicate properly in the womb.

he looks normal, his brain is just broken and he's stuck permanantly in the mind of an infant while his body continues to develop, with both the size and strength of an male. it's going to be 10000x worse once he hits puberty and he starts to really get stronger and faster and can start to break bones and furniture in his extreme fits of stimming.
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>>80088660
Why don't you throw him in the foster care system?
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>>80088660
Fuck how did you feel when you found out
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>>80087284
this is very sad to read, and I know it's true because I know a lady with a kid just like that, he ruined her entire life and the lives of his 3 siblings and then he killed himself at 27

I think she breathed a sigh of relief after that happened and the mourning was over and done with, because even though she was now in her 50s she could live again for the first time in 3 decades
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>>80088818

Like killed himself by accident?
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>>80088818
Why didn't she abort him? He only brought her pain and contributed nothing for her. They haven't tested their kid while he was in the womb?
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>>80086686
Thats crazy nigga but understandable, I sure as hell wouldnt want to raise a retard.
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>>80086686
Lel. I don't blame you though
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>>80088660
introduce him to a loaded gun to play with, then go take a really long shit in a locked bathroom.
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>>80089127
That's how you go to prison for child neglect. Getting both parents to give up parental rights and letting the child go the the state is easily the best option
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>>80089158
okay fine, consider it a plan B when he turns 20 or something.
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>>80088940
I'm not sure what the details are, if it was by accident or on purpose
>>80089048
he was born in the 1980s Ireland, there was no such thing as abortion
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>>80087284
i assume this is muttamerica. You cannot hand over children to social services or does that only work if you are not a parent?
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>>80087284
Ill be honest. Reading this thread is depressing as fuck. I feel a lot for the poor kids as well - they cannot a normal life either through no fault of their own. I know God exists so why would he do this
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my sister's disabled. my mum's life has been hell. my dad pulled the same stunt on us as you. lmao. I hate this world.
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>>80088254
Can't you just shoot the retard and pretend he was playing with your gun
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>>80086686
damn what a shitty situation, im sorry your wife did this to you. i hope things will sort themselves out. godspeed anon
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>>80088674
wife would leave, she cant bear the shame to her hyper religious family. and id be back to losing my kids half the time

>>80088695
was already numb at that point. we knew something was wrong for a while. but it was crushing to know he'd never get better, there was no treatment, and no hope. its not like it was a disease or a disorder that could one day have a miracle cure. it was just...yep. youre fucked. sorry. the doctors delivering it told us like they were delivering a terminal cancer diagnosis.

>>80088818
yup

>>80089950
I used to wonder what he would have been like. how he would have played with his brothers and sisters. what his hobbies would have been. what his favorite team would be. where he'd go to college.
then it got into what should have been. if he had been normal, i would have had more kids. So now i also get to mourn the kids I should have (and planned on having). I wanted my kids to have lots of family so they would always have love. now, they only have each other, and they grow up knowing our entire extended family is 100% focused on the retard who sucks up all the money, time, and attention from us, their aunts/uncles, and grandparents, despite all our best efforts to make them feel special.

>>80089950
nope. 100% white for me, wife is like 99.95%. we did DNA tests for both of us. literally a one in a billion genetic chance.
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>>80090218
>shame to her hyper religious family
are you guys muslims?
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>>80090271
no dude. we're two white americas jfc stop trying to make us fucking. her family is just catholic
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>>80090301
If you ever get to your absolute wits end before the rest of the kids turn 18, push your wife for the foster care option. She might relent and choose it before divorce. I certainly would hope she'd choose the wellbeing of her other kids over her extended family.
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>>80086686
retards are some of the most wholsome, jolly, funny and pure beings this world has to offer. you are evil
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>>80088660
>>80087284
>>80087597
Jesus Christ. I'm sorry anon. I'm so so sorry. This is probably the scariest and most brutal thing I've ever read. I forget very often how blessed I am to be of sound mind and body, I am so sorry that you have to go through this, and frankly even though I'm a Christian it's shit like this that makes me question my faith. It ain't worth much but I am sorry man, that's a brutal existence and it's an agonizing turn of fate that probably would've broken me into suicide if I had to deal with it. I hope you at least take some solace in knowing you're one of the strongest men out there just for living through this shit.

I know yours was past birth but honestly severe retardation is one of the few cases where I think abortion is okay as someone who's usually almost always VERY against it morally. Abortion SHOULD exist for cases where the child is going to have a life of a complete invalid where they will do nothing but suffer and cause suffering for all around them, and I don't say any of that lightly.
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>>80087284

>Level 3

RIP. My son is a level 2, and with any luck the 30 hours of ABA therapy every week will get him down to a level 1. I'm fully aware that he will be living with us until we die.

>Your other children must now sacrifice their ears, their college funds, their toys, their personal space

This is why it's ethical to euthanize level 3's. Too many people must sacrifice their lives in order to maintain the life of one.
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>>80090580
>>80090422

our kid has been in 30 hours of ABA since he was 4 and still cant talk, cant use the bathroom, cant point. he has almost no manding skills after half a decade. He can only barely comprehend your words, and even then its only for a few words like "ipad" and "bottle" (he's still has to drink from a bottle or he throws it everywhere, and he has to be spoonfed very single bite of puree babyfood).

But hey, at least he doesn't need a feeding tube?

They have given up on ever potty training him or getting him to use words. We have SOME hope he can use the ipad to point towards basic wants like "Bed" or "food" though.

>>80090422
This kid has literally taken the life away from the 3-4+ more kids i wanted to have. My other children never got a chance to exist because we are being run ragged. My wife and I make 300k a year combined and it ALL goes to him and his ABA and his needs.

I would have thrown in the towel a long time ago and let the kid just chill at home every day and stare at his screens, I can only shovel so much money into the void, but the wife won't give up because it means admitting our lives are ruined forever. So intead we're shuffling him around 3-4x a day every day to nannies and therapies that go nowhere, while the other kids never see their parents happy and have to eat grilled cheese and hotdogs again, knowing they won't get a dime for financial aid because our incomes are so high.


I just want to coach baseball of my neurotypical kids teams. I wanted to make a moderate income and enjoy my kids and be the dad i personally never had. instead i have to grind my ass off in an insanely competitive high pressure industry so i can shovel money into this void that goes nowhere.

>>80090396
nope.


8 more years bros. Then I'm OUT.
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>>80090851
>This kid has literally taken the life away from the 3-4+ more kids i wanted to have. My other children never got a chance to exist because we are being run ragged.
I'm 21 and don't really have any money or any idea of my career, I've spent the past few years landscaping and training martial arts, but am unsure of what to do. I might just go to trade school, but I struggle because during the season all I do is grind to make as much money as I can. But despite how dogged things are now all I want is to have a family of my own and be able to pass something down to them. I couldn't imagine what it would feel like to have spent all of this time grinding and scraping through my shit job and trying to figure a career just for it to all be for nothing. I hope these 8 years go by quick for you Anon, you're in a hell I couldn't even comprehend.

I am so sorry that your wife is deluding herself into thinking things aren't ruined because they absolutely are. I hope one day she sees the light and just sedates him with shitty IPad videos so that your hell is a bit more comfortable. Have a good night anon, I'll drink to your health.
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This thread is hilarious. All you fuckers being punished by god for being normies. LMAO
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>>80090218
Bro if it's any consolation I feel you, my wife threw away our marriage of 10 years because I said I would like to own my grandfather's shotgun one day

The mere mention of a gun caused her to engage in such a prolonged woman moment that it destroyed our family. The self destructive nature of women is unstoppable I'm afraid, you've done alright to escape it
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>>80086686
gotta do whaty ou gotta do
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>>80090851

>My wife and I make 300k a year combined and it ALL goes to him and his ABA and his needs.

Your insurance doesn't cover ABA? Mine does, maybe look into that. It could be worthwhile for one of you to abandon your careers and pick up a contract that would cover ABA. School districts and other union-government positions tend to offer this kind of insurance. How much are you paying out of pocket?
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>>80090851
Sack up and make the ultimatum to your wife that the tard goes to the care of the state of you're out. Stop ruining your other kids' lives and your own because of an empty shell that won't know the difference anyway. Fuck her shame. Man up pussy. I guarantee she won't divorce you because she'd have to take the tard on full time. Now you have no excuse to not do the right thing because you've been warned. No more pity party from you.
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>>80091233
>my wife threw away our marriage of 10 years because I said I would like to own my grandfather's shotgun one day
dude what the fuck?? why?? what fucking state do you live in that a gun was that big of a deal?
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>>80091441
I'm Irish, apparently the mere mention of a gun caused her to chimp the fuck out because of the stories she reads on the news of Americans shooting up schools and shit

No amount of explaining appeased her retarded notions
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>>80091459
>apparently the mere mention of a gun caused her to chimp the fuck out because of the stories she reads on the news of Americans shooting up schools and shit
lmao and euros call americans propagandized.

it sucks that you lost your wife to a LITERAL 'woke mind virus', but that's a little funny. You're probably better off without someone like that though. fucked up that she'd leave you over something as stupid as wanting to have something that belonged to your grandpa because of propaganda.
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>>80091233
What the fuck. Story?

>>80090851

I don't understand this at all. Does she know that you're going to ditch him when he's 18? If so then why not just get it over with now? It would make a world of difference to your and your normal children's lives while making almost none to his. His life might even be better because he's getting taken care of by people who are at least being compensated for doing so. Why would you willingly subject your family to this when you don't have to? You need to show that bitch a nature documentary. When a cat has a cub that has no chance of survival it abandons it and makes a new one.

This is pure insanity and even more evidence, (as if we needed any) that women shouldn't have rights
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>>80091518
She has long been affected by the mind virus, I put my foot down about the covid vaxx and she got 2 shots behind my back anyway

Her self destructive nature always wins out, she just will never listen to me
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>>80086686
Wow you are an awful person
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>>80091535
I will literally never understand neoliberal cattle. Literal slave caste, sorry that shit had to happen to you man. I couldn't ever marry a woman like that, but it's 90% of chicks in the states too, so idk. Guess I"m just fucked.
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>>80090422
My parents were told I was going to be very deformed, recommended to abort but the doctor was wrong. They chose to keep me and have faith in God. Something OP clearly doesn't have and didnt have. Anon dont lose faith because these things happen as a consequence of sin. These things happen because people stray from God or dont care to listen, instead want to delve into their own selfish desires. Abortion still isnt okay. If they put their faith in the lord things wouldve gone much differently and you should know this too
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>>80091558
Put your faith I'm God and He will provide
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>>80091558
Passport bro it up in SEA, South America, or Central Asia. If you're crazy enough swing for the holy grail of North Korea
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>>80091566
God gives retarded children to his strongest soldiers
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>>80086686
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>>80091619
what the fuck i didn't mean to type that
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>>80091566
Why do religious people always sound like battered housewives
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>>80091608

kek you joke but this is cope some people will say unironically
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>>80091608
Its just a consequence of our sin. Its even worse when a marriage or relationship is found in christ. Leads stuff like this to happen. If anything that child could be put up for adoption or smt like that. This thread if real is one of the most depressing ive read by far
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>>80091628
What? That doesn't even make sense but ok
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>>80088606
This is the funniest fucking thing I've ever heard and I immediately sent it to like twenty people
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>>80087284
Fuck dude, I am so sorry. Worst part is you can't even disappear the fucker or let them off themselves because you're still held liable. God damn dude. I know this sounds like shit, but I hope your retard child passes in their sleep so you're freed from hell on earth.

>>80091566
>Your life turned into literal hell because you didn't believe in god.
I fucking hate christcucks so god damn much. Literal fucking cattle.
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>>80091640
You read like job
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>>80091566
>If they put their faith in the lord things wouldve gone much differently and you should know this too
Respectfully, what selfish desires and sin lead you to have a disabled child? Fucking none. In the book of Job explicitly there's the portion where his friends mock him and say he must've committed some great sin to be cursed with misfortune but the reality was that this is a disgusting, fallen world with no mercy other than God's, he made no mistake and still lost everything. Unlike Job though that anon probably won't really have any good resolution even after suffering horribly, which is why I expressed my sympathies and why it's hard to reconcile with stuff like that. Even as a Christian and even after I'm told to trust God with everything I know suffering is always going to exist and people's lives will still be horrific no matter how faithful they are, it's just how the world is, there's no mercy until we finally die and that's just the world we've inherited. We are born to love the good that God DOES grant and glorify it, but to also suffer and claw at the dust for food until we die in agony.

I know abortion isn't okay, but that boy is gonna suffer and make everyone else suffer for his entire life through no fault of his own but the cruel reality of a fallen world, and honestly, it's hard to look at a situation like that where he can't even respond to any form of stimuli properly and say "Oh yeah it's good he's alive" like it would be for a cripple or someone who's in a coma. Praise Christ and God have mercy on all of us.
>>80091576
it doesn't matter. I trust in God but it doesn't change me from being an ugly freak and broke. is what it is, can't expect God to do all the work.
>>80091584
thanks but i can't. I don't want to just have a relationship based on money. I just want to love and be loved within my own country. That's a pipe dream, though, but I'd rather be on my own than an ATM for some thai woman who doesn't care about me.
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>>80091714
Yeah I know that and its also what I mean, but OP clearly has no faith, and just left his wife, broke his vows and left her, and then slept with a prostitute. Who does that?!?! Life has its hardships but God helps us and gives us hope in the end and a way out.
>there's no mercy
Yes there is. Jesus had enough mercy for us to die for our sins. He had enough mercy to free me from same sex attraction and I'm forever grateful. Will he cure me from every problem that I have? No. We're imperfect, and maybe if I was different i wouldnt be as faithful. Everything the good and the bad for us believers in the end happens for good and shapes us into who we are.
>ugly freak and broke
I get that too. Life is very unfair, and like you said its cause of the state of this fallen world and sin. We need to put in the effort and work in what we can and God takes care of the rest. May Gods will be done above mine amen.
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>>80091364
so yeah the ABA is covered, but not the drive to/from, and also private therapies. Other kids have school dropoffs, so we have to have hired help do school dropoffs in the AM while one of us does the kid, and also a pickup, since the older kids have various sports (and im not going to not let them do their sports because their brother needs everything)

>>80091534
she thinks she can change my mind eventually, or that he'll make a "leap" with "more therapy" and somehow become functional

>>80091576
I feel like I am Job, an example to others of how shitty life can be so you can be thankful of your slightly-less-shitty life.

>>80091694
yeah everytime the kid gets frustrated and slams his face into something, i know we'll get looks. or if he throws his ipad/bottle at his sibling and hits them in their face and leaves bruises on them, i know they will be getting questions at school.
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>>80091694
>literal fucking cattle

He gives us a way out is all. Life is not wasy for anyone. But what OP did os beyond messed up too.
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>>80091806
>I feel like I am Job, an example to others of how shitty life can be so you can be thankful of your slightly-less-shitty life.
Battered wife
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>>80091815
Not the same anon you originally said that too.
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>>80091813
No, you're speaking as someone with an insect brain acting like a drone telling someone else what they should think despite having never gone through tribulations of the same magnitude. Shut the fuck up christcuck, I've enough of your bullshit.
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>>80091714
>I know abortion isn't okay, but that boy is gonna suffer and make everyone else suffer
May God bless you with many down syndrome children
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>>80091823
You sound like a battered woman sure he beats you but he's a good man deep down
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>>80091836
This. Put that little religious dipshit through the same thing and see if he's singing the same tune come 9 years later.
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>>80091845
I doubt the cultist will care
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>>80091832
I didnt tell them its what they should think its your choice wether you want to have faith or not and I understand its very hard especially with going through something like this. He shouldnt have left her tho like that
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just have a 2nd and 3rd kid that arent retards
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>>80091803
>but OP clearly has no faith
you responded to my post which was responding to a different anon who catholic and begrudgingly accepting his horrible life despite it all.
>Yes there is. Jesus had enough mercy for us to die for our sins.
I know. And i'm thankful for it every day, as is anyone, but I'm saying that there's no mercy HERE. There won't BE mercy here, that's the point, that's why the kikes couldn't stand Jesus. There's no freedom on earth. I can't pretend like I've got a ton of hopeful optimism, I say my prayers and I know Christ is alive but I'm not delusional. I'm glad you're full of that kind of optimism but I can't abide it, personally.
>>80091836
read the very next sentence of my post, you fucking dipshit. I hate abortion and despise it because the VAST majority of cases are dipshits having sex with people they don't care about and then killing a baby because it's not convenient for them to be born, THAT'S why I fucking hate it. It's always some destitute retard killing a child because they were too stupid not to be deviants. But a situation where they're crippled from birth, not even just physically like cerebral palsy or something where they can still live semi-normal, but being made into a vegetable and forced to suffer and make everyone around you suffer, I don't think it's a fate that a child should have to live through.
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>>80091836
i have a nephew with downs syndrome and the kid is awesome. hes functional, and relatively independent. Sure he can never hold a job or live on his own, but he doesnt need direct supervision 24/7. He doesnt have to sleep in a specialized crib with walls to prevent him from jumping out. He cracks jokes, eats solid food (on his own).

Downs syndrome kids are awesome.

>>80091815
Im not religious and never really have been. My wife wasnt either until a couple years ago. please stop.
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>>80091845
>>80091875
Not a cult. And who knows. Im not even a man to begin with to understand what hes going through, its overall a very depressing thing thats happened to them. I just hope they are able to find some peace in the future. Ive gone through things were ive doubted my faith. But ultimately God is far more intelligent than us and knows better than me to doubt him,, and even then its normal. Life brings a lot of suffering but there is atleast peace in the end.
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>>80091806

>so yeah the ABA is covered

Good to hear. I try not to think about the literal million dollar burden my son is placing on the insurance pool. At least there's hope for a return on that investment in my case.

My wife is a stay at home and a real social butterfly. She's managed to make friends with other parents to negotiate ride sharing. Only way we've been able to give our others some semblance of a normal life.

>get looks

I'm guilty of silently judging the parents who had the backpack leashes for their children before I knew better. Lord knows they didn't choose to have a child whose brain randomly decided to turn off and run the child into oncoming traffic.
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>>80091893
>hes functional, and relatively independent.
>Well my child is healthy and normal so I don't know what you wouldn't want children or even think abortion is okay
Damn riveting
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>>80091892
I can understand, Ive seen a lot of really dark things, the truly horrible side of humanity. Best we can do is to help as many we can and save as many people. It really hurts seeing others have to suffer so much. I choose to be more optimistic to have a bit more peace in mind cause honestly, with the things Ive seen, if it weren't for God id be insane by now and be completely hateful.
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>>80091919
im not religious and would have 100% aborted. we did every test to check for things like this, all negative.
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>>80091904
>Not a cult
>God, who is approached by Satan, agrees to a simple bet that Job would retain his faith while God just fucks his shit up.

God, who could have told Satan to go fuck himself because he didn't Satan's approval or proof, decides to just push Job's shit in for no other reason than a bet.

Get lost.
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>>80091937
Book of job is why I am 100% not religious
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>>80091930

>Best we can do is to help as many we can and save as many people

If they're missing genes then they aren't fully human. If they aren't fully human, they people. Downies get a pass because they're fully human + a little extra.
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>>80091973
the book of Job is pretty fucked yea but if you ask me the ultimate truth is the the gnostics were right. it really doesn't matter if we see God as immoral, it doesn't matter how fucked it is that he lost his family and a new one is seen as restitution. It's His world and we're living in it. That old question of "Is god moral just because he says he is?" has a p simple answer and it's "yes because he made moral law and it overwhelmingly leads to better outcomes than not having it".
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>>80092005
That's the most cucked type of behavior that's like saying because the father is the patriarch if he gets drunk and beats you all the time well that's acceptable because you exist because of him and you are sustained because him
A man like that would be rightfully killed and God deserves the same treatment
Not calling you a cuck unless you endorse this logic
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>>80091937
You are really going to summarize the whole book to that short ai sentence? God knew Job would remain faithful. But it was a lesson for Job to understand aswell as for us, that no matter WHAT in the end God is the one that has all the power. You can't expect as a Christian that just cause you do good life will be all sunshine and rainbows for you. Job understood that in the end.
>while God just fucks his shit up

It was Satan tho not God, he allowed it but it wasnt God who did it, like I said it ultimately shows us a great lesson. And has helped me too in times of great struggle. God knew Job wouldnt lose faith. And he earend salvation in the end so did his children that died. Life in this broken earth is unfair and suffering. But in the end the eternall union with Christ is worth it all and much more.
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>>80086686
Nice creative writing excercise
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>>80092005
Exactly this. Its what it comes down to.
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I guess the idea of pandeism being the reality of the universe is to high brow for the average r9k user.
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>>80092023
God created morality tho. And us human are much MUCH inferior than him. He is far more intelligent than you and I ever will be. God is just and his ways are righteous while ours is inheretly flawed.
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>>80092060
God didn't create shit I don't believe he exists just like I don't believe Santa exists
And I'm not an evil person if you need God to tell you not to be evil you're just an evil person
Golden rule is a simple rule to follow and so many of you find any reason not to adhere to it
Maybe because you don't want to be treated how you treat others
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>Have sex.
>Whine about the consequences.
Have unsex, noncel. Hope the nut was worth it lmao.
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>>80092023
Doesn't really matter what the behavior is, it doesn't make it less true. You don't believe in God but if God is real it frankly doesn't matter what anyone's moral prescription is because the law as laid out by its creator matters more than any individual's prescription, which is exactly why God had to compromise and begrudgingly allow slavery in mosaic so the Israelites wouldn't reject Him wholesale for freeing their slaves.
>>80092070
>Golden rule is a simple rule to follow and so many of you find any reason not to adhere to it
>Maybe because you don't want to be treated how you treat others
that anon is pretty blindly optimistic but he's genuinely been nothing but kind in his responses so frankly I think this is a moot point. You seem like you've got some pent up aggression from something else buddy.
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>>80092102
If God is real all things are possible which means I can kill him
If God isnt real all things are still possible
Either way god can lick my taint
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>>80092070
Where does your morality come from? If God isnt real and morality is relative it shouldnt matter to you wether someone murders or not.
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>>80092102
Of course I have pent up aggression who's posting on this board that isn't societies reject
Fucking normal fags trying to evangelize how heckin good life is
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>>80092114
Myself
I wouldn't want someone to shove hot pokers up my ass so I don't do it to others
And if someone does it unto me then I do unto him
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>>80092122
I haven't had a "normal" life either. But im still going to be faithful to God because ultimately whatever He does is far better than what I believe is right.
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>>80092113
>If God is real all things are possible which means I can kill him
good luck with that retard
>>80092114
oh oh i can answer that, he's gonna say something like "empathy" or "the golden rule" or "BEEING A DEESINT HUMAN BEEEEEEEIINNNG!!" but the answer is moral relativists just don't have an answer. They're either honest and accept consequential ethics and cuck to whatever makes "le society" better or are libertine degens. Virtue ethics is the only semi-decent middle ground in there but even that has to be based on something and frankly anyone who IS a virtue ethicist is usually basing it on Christian ethics.

>>80092125
yep this got uploaded as I was typing this I was right.
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I don't believe this. Fucked up if true.
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>>80092122
>Of course I have pent up aggression who's posting on this board that isn't societies reject
>Fucking normal fags trying to evangelize how heckin good life is
No life fucking sucks, I've admitted as much. I just think you in particular are a faggot. You probably can't even bench 1pl8.
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>>80092139
>See he said the thing he's been saying I got him
If you need your invisible sky daddy to tell you it's wrong to go around stabbing people that says more about you than me
I don't stab people because I wouldn't want to get stabbed
You don't stabbed people because you would get punished for it
We are not the same
And you're god would praise me more my beliefs
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>>80092153
>No life fucking sucks, I've admitted as much. I just think you in particular are a faggot
>You're right but unless I insult you it will look like I lost and my ego could never handle that
Riveting
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>>80087038
Amazing how telling the exact same thing to foids makes you a misogynist alt right Nazi
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>>80092161
>If you need your invisible sky daddy to tell you it's wrong to go around stabbing people that says more about you than me
I dont need God to tell me that because it is something I know and feel it is. But the thing is, that sense of morality comes from him. And it helps us be better people on other things too that you wouldn't deem as "bad" like lust for example.
If your only reason for not stabbing people is because you dont want it done to you then tell me, if you could get away with it without getting caught or have it happen to you, would you still do it? No one will punish you.. so why not?
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>>80092161
you missed the point of everything I said.
The point isn't that i NEED to be told things are immoral, the fact is that things ARE immoral if it's ordained to be so irrespective of what I think.
Stabbing people is wrong because it's wrong. It doesn't matter whether or not I'm punished, murdering someone is killing a being made in the image of God and it's an abomination, even if I want someone to kill me or don't care if someone does.

I'm not selfish enough to think that morality should be based on whatever feels good for me or whatever I personally want, but at the end of the day, all morals that don't come from something outside the physical are nothing but feelings, and you will compromise on them, and you will not be repentant for it. Everyone does, in some way. Every single person alive falls into sin.
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>>80092254
>Well without god there's no morals
>BUT I DONT NEED GOD TO TELL ME BAD THING IS BAD
Glad we agree god is unnecessary
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>>80092139
>dont have the answer
Exactly. Ultimately, we already have the answer and its simple enough. It saddens me how many loops people will try and go through to argue against it and how angry they get at God. It doesnt matter. Truth is God is the way wether you like it or not. We have a choice and we have the ability to choose from right or wrong otherwise wed be robots.
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>>80092279
>Well I wanted to kill but since God is omnipresent omnipotent what I think or believe is irrelevant
He's making a list he's checking it twice he's gonna find out who's naughty or nice
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>>80092291
Not at all. My question to you is that where do YOU base your morals from? Just a "feeling"? Or is it cause youve been taught to believe murder is wrong? What makes that thing bad in your opinion? If we are all worthless, nothing that you do matters. Nothing good that you do matters. So by that logic I could go on and kill and do as I please, because who are YOU to judge whats "good" or "bad"?
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>>80092161
By the way its *your God
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>>80092297
>>Well I wanted to kill but since God is omnipresent omnipotent what I think or believe is irrelevant
Hey, if thats what it takes for someone not to kill, more power to them. But seriously I don't think you're understanding what I'm actually saying so I'll break it down:

Killing is immoral not because I feel that way but because it IS. If someone murders another person wantonly it doesn't matter if they thought it was just from their own perspective, it doesn't matter if it was in the heat of passion, the act itself is immoral regardless of any outside feelings. Even though Luigi Mangione is championed as a hero, even though he killed someone whose actions have likely led to the deaths of thousands via policy, the act of killing and taking justice into his own hands is immoral. The reason it's immoral isn't because of how we feel or because of its consequential value, it's because the creator of moral law and justice itself ordained it to be so.

Seeing my point yet or no
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>>80092415
>the act of killing and taking justice into his own hands is immoral.
Right next to the let them eat cake bitch in the guillotine
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>>80092449
>ERMMM KILLING IS WRONG BECAUSE I WOULDNT WANT IT TO HAPPEN TO ME!!
>Well, except if I think they deserve to be killed.
And there it is. You admitted to exactly what I fucking thought you would. Everyone compromises on their morals given the situation, you aren't different. Thanks for proving my point, you self righteous prick.
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>>80092481
Golden rule is not just a rule
It's a lifestyle
That ceo killed thousands denying them coverage
So Luigi gave him a preexisting condition
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>>80092497
But if harming indirectly is still murder and can be retaliated against by killing them, then where is that line drawn? Where does ANY moral authority from that "golden rule" come from?

The doctor who can't treat a patient because he isn't allowed to because they don't have coverage, is he not just as responsible for turning a blind eye to suffering for his own safety? Fuck it, kill him too, he deserved it as well. How about the grunt worker at an insurance company who prepares the software allowing them to exploit their customers? He gets a bullet too, no? What would be immoral about that if sticking to principle? And what about the everyman, seemingly uninvolved with any part of this, but whose very thought patterns and consumption contribute to an unjust society? Can he be killed? All of this sounds ludicrous but societies across the world have done similar things and found reasons to justify senseless killing for "a moral good".

I don't even disagree with what Luigi did, you're just too stupid to see the philosophical argument I'm making. You pretend to be just and incorruptible, that your standards are better than being given a law from any metaphysical presence, but the reality is that it's just as flawed and can be used to justify anything else.
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>>80092577
I'm gonna make it real simple you try to stab me even if you don't mean to kill me I'm still going to interpret that as intent to kill
No semantics no you were aiming below the chest
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>>80092605
You havent answered. If your "rules" aren't even rules and a lifestyle, what basis do they have and what was the point of the rule? What moral weight does the rule have when the rule itself can change depending on any circumstance in which its either more convenient or just to ignore it?
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the theologians in the thread need to understand that we live in an imperfect world. Many people if not all of them do not get what they deserve, whether that be praise or punishment.

because the world is not perfect, we can distinguish ourselves as good or evil as opposed to being ambiguously moral.

Some people are hit by lightning and others will, no fault of their own, bare disabled children. These are the unfortunate realities of life. I don't believe God will scoff at the abortion of what would be severally disabled children. These mistakes of the reproductive process, at the discretion of the parents, should be culled if the chance arises to preserve the sanity and well being of the living and those who would live in the future.

My condolences to the men in the thread who are living a hell on earth, a lot of anons have no frame of reference of what your burden is, they can't understand. I pray for your futures.

It is inherently immoral for morality to exist, thus is God's creation of existence.

I hear (the Christian and one true) heaven is perfect, for all those who can make it. Good luck!
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>>80087038
What if i want a kid but not a non functioning potato that lives in a chair and needs to be tubefed?



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