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>>83624353
INFJ is pink and sooo cute!! ^_^
Bitterballen looks yummy :o

>Your type
INTJ!
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
I like playing video game or reading mangas
>what food makes you feel strong?
Hmmm, moidchow, like chili! ^_^
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
I mostly rest better alone, if people are too much I get soo tired >_<
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
I like medium-rare, when I was younger I liked well done, but as I get older more and more rare! :O

>>83624353
>>Your type
ESFP-T
>>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
Snuggled on my balcony with my ESFJ.
>>what food makes you feel strong?
Do Carvel 'flying saucers' count as 'food'?
>>do you rest better alone or with other people?
With other people.
>>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
Napalmed.

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>>83624524
>Carvel 'flying saucers' count as 'food'?
sounds like one of those UFOs that they find flying in Oregon @_@

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what did the ice cream company mean by this

may I have my orbs back please

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>>83624353
>Your type
ENTJ
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
I like to walk on the beach, maybe watch an anime or a movie.
>what food makes you feel strong?
Winning.
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
Doesn't matter, I guess I like using a guy like a pillow maybe.
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
Well done. But I don't eat meat very often (not vegetarian I just dont see the need to eat it all the time).

>>83624353
>Your type
I don't buy into the MBTI thing because I don't think personality is an immutable characteristic. I'm capable of being extroverted or introverted if I want to, and I have vacillated between the extremes of almost every single category of that test throughout my life. Pigeonholing yourself like that is self-limiting.
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
Video games or a good movie
>what food makes you feel strong?
Steak
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
Alone
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done
Rare

>>83625069
>I'm capable of being extroverted or introverted
What do you think extroverted and introverted mean?

>>83625036
>like a pillow maybe
How fluffy do you like your pillows?

>>83625091
Extroverted = social butterfly, someone who sees socializing as a net positive and something that provides him with energy, rather than draining him
Introvert = reserved, someone who sees socializing as a net negative and something that drains his energy

These concepts are not complex or difficult to understand. The problem is that people like (You) think that they are immutable, even inborn, characteristics. They are not. They are learned psychological habits that can be unlearned. In fact, I would go so far as to call introversion a pathology. It's the net result of negative social experiences subconsciously teaching you that socializing is dangerous and/or difficult. Extraversion is a high-level skillset that basically anyone can learn. Introversion is a low-energy state characterized by inaction and fear. Any extravert can turn himself into an introvert by just not going outside or interacting with people for months or weeks at a time.

It's extremely dangerous to take these online MBTI tests and internalize your results. Depending on the time of day, or how much sleep you've gotten, or a million other factors, you might be in a more "judging" or "perceiving" mood. Once you understand personality to simply be the aggregate of learned behaviors and social habits - over which you have complete control - you realize that most of these personality tests are bunk.

>>83625230
>that provides him with energy, rather than draining him
Are you saying that you can freely change between gaining energy and losing energy when socializing with others? If so why do you ever choose to lose energy?

>>83624353
>Your type
girl over 21 with ass
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
weed
>what food makes you feel strong?
stroganoff over potato
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
alone
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
rare

this was gay, but neat, i guess.

>>83625262
Did you even read my post? Most introverts did not wake up one day and decide they wanted to be shut-ins. It happened gradually over time. They succumbed to their social anxiety over and over again until they became complacent in their solitude.

If you go outside and talk to 5 strangers tomorrow, and then 10 the next day, and so on, you will build up your social callus. Eventually it will come effortless to chat up strangers. Then, you can gradually build up more and more complex social skills, such as being able to defuse conflict, or introducing yourself to a group of strangers, etc. Eventually, socialization becomes second nature to you and you achieve mastery, as with any other skill. At this point, it becomes a game that you know how to play well. And games that you are good at are intrinsically fun because they are an opportunity to express your skill, but they are also extrinsically fun because they provide external rewards (better job, new friends, girlfriends, etc.). Congratulations, you are now an extravert.

I'm not saying it happens overnight. I'm simply saying that you are not eternally locked into one "personality type" or the other.

>>83624353
>Your type
intp
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
a glass of wine and a fap
>what food makes you feel strong?
food is food, it doesnt really make me feel anything
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
alone
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
well done

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8f8mBSS/
I discovered the reason Lil Ex-Lax writes like that. Just compliment her on her expert wordplay next time she does it and she will never shcizo babble again.

>>83625319
>I'm simply saying that you are not eternally locked into one "personality type" or the other.
Why do you assume that it's eternally locked? The mistake that a lot of people also make is that the results are not binary. You are never 100% introverted, it's a spectrum. I agree with you, that you can alter your personality, but as you say yourself:
>becomes second nature to you
Skills can be learned and improved, but you can't go against what your first nature is. Only build on top of it.

>>83625443
>Why do you assume that it's eternally locked?
Have you ever heard an MBTIfag talk about shifting between extraversion and introversion? I haven't. They talk about it like it's their eye color.

>>83625477
>Have you ever heard an MBTIfag talk about shifting between extraversion and introversion
It's just not possible.

>>83625601
>It's just not possible
It literally is, as I have already explained. But thank you for proving my point about MBTIfags.

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"Full Retard Mode" must be deployed strategically or risk being locked in perma-cooldown
[Dev note]

>>83625611
I'm sorry but you can't switch from introverted to extroverted or vice versa.

>>83625638
Perhaps (You) can't. Skill issue.

>>83625772
Show me where Jung describes this phenomenon happening.

Does it? Does the power of Christ compel me, J?

It's not very compelling..

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Everyone who posts after this will isekai into another world and their first post determines what there reborn as:
>0: basically Neo who can bend the fabric of reality to their will like a God.
>1: lvl 100 hero will all stats maxed
>2: have 1 massively over powered ability (like being able to make lvl 100 potions, or re:zero time loops, etc)
>3: be a naturally gifted genius in magic/etc
but still have to train for years to get good
>4: get access to advanced info
Like being able to surf our internet in your mind to get advanced knowledge or build tech.
>5: get reborn as a prince/noble with average abilities
>6: Get reborn with a joke ability
Like being able to turn into a vending machine or into a wagon, etc.
>7: get reborn a commoner (but with skills like being able to do math/read/write, etc).
>8: get reborn as a rape goblin near an elf village.
>9: get reborn as who you are now no added skills.
>Doubles: get reborn as the demon lord the "heros of legend" are out to get (can chose not to be evil).
>Trips: secretly be lvl 100 (appear lvl 2 to everyone)
>Quads: escape cycle of rebirths

>>83625922
Testing

I assume each digit in my post number is a new power

>>83625922
Rerolling for new abilities

Roll

>0: basically Neo/God
Kamikatsu
>1: lvl 100 hero stats maxed
Overlord, Arifureta, Death March
>2: have 1 massively over powered ability
Re:zero, shield hero,
>3: be a naturally gifted genius in magic/etc
but still have to train for years to get good
Time I got reincarnated as a slime, Mushoku Tensei, tsukimatchi, konosuba, I'm a spider so what
>4: get access to advanced info
No game no life, Another World with My Smartphone, Gyaru Tensei
>5: get reborn as a prince/noble with average abilities
Realist Hero, Reincarnated Aristocrat
>6: Get reborn with a joke ability
Reborn as a Vending Machine, Reincarnated as a Sword,
>7: get reborn a commoner
Ascendance of a Bookworm, Trapped in a Dating Sim
>8: get reborn as a rape goblin near an elf village.
Re:Monster, glory to the goblin lord
>9: get reborn as who you are now no added skills.
Headhunted to Another World, grimgar
>Doubles: get reborn as the demon lord
Demon Lord, Retry, My Next Life as a Villainess, Villainess Level 99
>Trips: secretly be lvl 100 (appear lvl 2 to everyone)
Instant Death Ability Is So Overpowered, Mashle: Magic and Muscles, Blacksmith the weakest

>>83626024
Based anime list
>>83625922
Rawlin

>>83625783
>Jung
Why the fuck would I care what Jung has to say about any of this?

>>83625783
There was a little fun story about two friends, one introverted and the other extraverted, visiting an old castle and their attitude temporarily switching.
Though the main points were about showing how one type looks like when they get caught in their opposite attitude and highlighting how both would be considered (socially) inappropriate.

>>83625997
>>83626017
>Rolls commoner twice
LMAO it's over, you're like a main character in grimgar.
>>83626024
Ur like sora from no game no life.
>>83626041
Ur basically like Ainz Ooal Gown from overlord

>>83625922
Roll, anything but goblin is fine

>>83625922
Roll
Just let me roll stupid robot9000

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Guys GUYS. I get it. My real type. This is a real Gus Mary moment going on. I'm a SEETHEVERT- No wait, that's off the mark. Maybe a Dubai chocolate matcha crumble bit more of SNEEDING next time?

>>83624066
Bump btw.

>>83625319
>complex social skills, such as being able to defuse conflict, or introducing yourself to a group of strangers, etc
>able to defuse conflict, or introducing yourself to a group of strangers
>complex
Do introvertphobes really?

>they are also extrinsically fun
No, the only fun things in there are the ones that risk you imprisonment or death penalty. And even those would underdeliver.

Anyhow this isn't even a dichotomy of any proper typology. Or are extrOverts just extremely shallow people unable to introspect? This can't be, I can do both. That'd be ambivert in your dichotomy? But what if I couldn't do either? That's an ambivert, too. Why are we having a mess of having 2 ambiversions now? JVNG prevented that.
Not a single certified behaviorist would do a skill hierarchy as a way to order up actual personalities.
Muddling skill with preference is an extra transgressions under both the Saint temples of Logos AND Eros no less.
Maybe you've heard of an obscure, niche term - "kusoge"? It's a Japanese word, and it's rough-yet-sublime translation qua non would be "YYYOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH, SHAME ON YOUR CLAN, PLAY STUPID GAMES, WIN STUPID PRIZES"

>Once you understand personality to simply be the aggregate of learned behaviors and social habits - over which you have complete control
How well can you shapeshift your prefrontal cortex and amygdala right now?

This is all in a neutral tone by the way.

>>83624353
>>Your type
INTJ IN(T) VLEF 5w6 583 sx/sp
>>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
Sleep, lol.
>>what food makes you feel strong?
Energy bars.
>>how do you like your steaks
Preferably not resisting.

>>83624567
My posts omit 99.9% of what's in the books btw.

>>83625922
Fuck it I'm gonna roll for Rxy

>>83625922
Next is turbies ROLL (this counts as hers unless she does it herself).

>>83626135
confirmed infprince backfired fake value boosting larp

>>83626115
>>83624066
>Would a primitive-like psyche [...] enjoy playing with all of the functions?
Supposedly that's what happens before you end up differentiating one, since all functions in a primitive psyche start on the same level as the inferior.
>It also COULD be possible that that person just T.F.'d a bit too hard to enjoy playing with any of the functions?
The way it tends to be exalted as something you don't just randomly "achieve", seems to imply you need a certain degree of intention and conscious effort. But I certainly wish Jung said a little more about it, it's a vague concept honestly.

>Or are extrOverts just extremely shallow people unable to introspect?
They will certainly come across as that from an introverted PoV, even if introspection isn't a privilege of introverted types.
Generally the actual cause is not "doing" much individuation though, and the default/non-differentiated attitude could be easily mistaken as extraversion purely because it draws from the environment/other people. Also known as participation mystique

>>83625922
rolling for rape goblin (nigger) near an elf village (white people suburb).

>>83626109
>Just let me roll stupid robot9000
congrats on rolling just that! ^_^

>>83625319
>>83625230
>I would go so far as to call introversion a pathology.
>They succumbed to their social anxiety over and over again
You have defined someone who is not an introvert. You have confused neuroticism with introversion. Which is extremely common these days. You have confused anxiety, fear, regret, etc. Emotional complexes and their happenings as who you are.

Being isolated is NOT introversion (generally speaking). An aversion to social interaction, and/or being drained by social interaction is a very bad definition of what it means to be introverted.

Your own definition of introversion is more akin to an extrovert who became neurotic through some bad interactions.
>>83625922
Isegays are gayfaggotry, and I hate them. But, if I'm obligated by the post-police to partake in this gayness, I will.

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> 83625922
0: you get bored and become some deviant freak. Bossed around by your boredom.
1: bossed around by the nobles. Go kill some devil rrats under my bed.
2: bossed around by the nobles. Go collect some artifacts for a slapstick joke reward.
3: bossed around by the nobles. Go do my paperwork.
4: bossed around by the nobles who kidnap you and rubber hose method info out of you.
5: This is actually unique and peak gameplay there. Sorry but becoming comatose from some manticora venomous backstabbing by your sister in an incest drama ploy around framing the uncle's eunuch for starting a caterpillar demon cult in your cousin's villa secretly inherited from his real father who's a baron and a secret service agent of the Uniterro Sovereignty which infiltrated every kingdom but also started infighting because some ex-banker quartermaster started a manticora cult for his political gain and most took it more seriously than a power play to gain new political power as they've been planting their scriptures and tools randomly (connecting the dots yet?) but actually your aunt predicted this with informants from her time as triple agent nun so you get resuscitated by an antidote dart from her clueless midget assassin who gets disposed of later because it IS inheritance game beats dying from a recolored asset LVL666 devil rrat because you didn't asspull your abilities down to your prostate.
6: bossed around by the nobles but maybe you'll get a special storage room.
7: bossed around by the nobles. Pay your taxes.
8: bossed around by wildlife and the nobles' mercs/troops/guildfodder.
9: bossed around by the nobles' cities' markets' merchants. Go scrub some stalls, outsider.
Doubles: bossed around by nobles or the other demon nobles.
Trips: bossed around by the nobles. Hey underdoggy, put on a show by disposing of this patsy whon I baited into picking a fight with you.
Quads: (You)'re bossed around by those who've finished their [REDACTED]ology course with any grade above F.

Oh wow I didn't pay attention to the entire reply chain yet.
That's dumb but somewhat interesting.

>>83626232
>Your own definition of introversion is more akin to an extrovert who became neurotic through some bad interactions.
Not to agree with the other anon, but I thought it's very fitting to point out here how most people effectively use the term nowadays as if that's exactly what it meant and what's implied. The entire thing has been filtered through extraverted bias, not many have accepted that the "introvert" is merely another type despite using this word, rather than a disturbed extravert.

In common speech, people talk about having to "overcome" introversion, as if it's something holding back your true self. Granted what they mean is being a shut-in rather than what Jung meant, but using the terms interchangeably is a very evident result of the bias in question. And conversely, not many acknowledge the idea of recognizing particularly one-sided extraverted behaviors as an issue, even if they do lead to neurosis specifically as a result of a very strong repression of the opposite introverted attitude.
Oh I could go on forever on this if I wanted to, but let me just conclude by saying that the infamous "type problem" is still plaguing very much every field that was plagued by it back when the man himself pointed it out, including just everyday interactions with people.

>>83626280
>Bossed around bossed around bossed around bossed around bossed around
Do your get bossed around a lot anon?

>>83625922
>Everyone rolling for isekai slop
This place really is nothing but hikki weebs.
Fine I'll roll too since everyone else is...
>>83626024
IDK what any of that crap is except re:zero (utter garbage) and konosuba (stupid brain rot).

>>83626313
>This place really is nothing but hikki weebs.
Where do you think you are?

>>83626115
>complex social skills, such as being able to defuse conflict, or introducing yourself to a group of strangers, etc
>able to defuse conflict, or introducing yourself to a group of strangers
>complex
>Do introvertphobes really
Again and again you mentally ill MBTIfags make me question whether it's even worth my time trying to reason with you. You are the definition of cattle. Let me spell it out for you since you are either brain damaged or pretending to be. This is the progression of social skill complexity:
>Saying hi to someone you already know intimately.
Ezpz, low effort, low skill. If y fuck it up, they won't care. They will give you the benefit of the doubt because they already know you and have a built up model of you in their heads. You can sperg out and it won't cost you much.
>Saying hi to an acquaintance.
Still easy but requires slightly more confidence and competence. There are certain things you cannot say and certain lines you cannot cross.
>Skip a few steps
>Saying hi to a complete stranger.
Requires you to read the room and their body language and to be able to project a non-confrontational and casual demeanor with your eyes, voice, body language, and word choice.
>Skip a few steps
>Interjecting at a board meeting to provide constructive criticism on your coworkers' latest project.
High risk situation, needs to be handled eith utmost precision and care to maintain your image in the eyes of all present while still effectively communicating problems. Much more difficult than anything stated previously. An unskilled sperg WILL fail this assignment and eventually end up ostracized at his job or even fired.

I could go on, but hopefully you get the point. Faggot.

>>83626319
The most popular post on /mbti/ is about isekai anime tropes. Let that sink in. /mbti/ isn't even reddit tier, example look at these midwit psueds like >>83626115 and >>83626289, on reddit they'd dominate the conversation and you'd see endless "what's your definition of...?" and "source?" posts, but here they can't get any traction. And that's not even mentioning how often the thread is derailed by bait, obvious samefagging, distraction text walling, blog posts, and worst of all: reggie gossip. But even when people here aren't trying to derail things they do anyways. TE, togatanon, Mel or turbie can say something retarded and get a chain of responses going for half a day.

>>83626473
Cool story dude
>>83625922
Rolling

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Some retarded shit

>>83626473
Welcome to our anime imageboard, I guess.
And nice of you to spontaneously admit you came from reddit without anyone asking.
For how much I can like MBTI(or actually Jung right now T B H), you shouldn't forget where you are.

>>83626115
>they are also extrinsically fun
>No, the only fun things in there are the ones that risk you imprisonment or death penalty. And even those would underdeliver.
It's clear that you're a self-proclaimed introvert, and you are ironically proving my point even though you think you're refuting it. You can't even conceive of an enjoyable social interaction outside of literal murder (wut). My mind is actually boggled right now. Flirting with a hot woman is enjoyable. Catching up with an old friend is enjoyable. Having chill small talk with your friendly neighbor is enjoyable. You cannot conceive of finding joy in these situations because you are a pathetic little troll who seauesters himself in his room and shitpostd on /r9k/ all day about how much he hates Chad and normies. If you followed my advice (which you won't) you would see it firsthand and realize you were just hitting yourself with a hammer for no reason.

1/?

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>>83626298
I'd like to see a name of anyone who doesn't.

>>83626154
Can't even figure out if the discussed cases so far are a mundane thing once in a while or a complete nutcase territory at this point.

>>83626471
>>Interjecting at a board meeting to provide constructive criticism on your coworkers' latest project.
>High risk situation
Only if you're a pussy.
You just failed a "social skill" test by completely misreading the post and getting offended over nothing, by the way.
How does this makes you feel?

>>83626473
I got banned on reddit though.
Your response without sounding mad?

I love Infj girls

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>>83626525
>dude DUUUUUDE let's pathologize basic preferences!
Delouse yourself by reading Deleuze. Don't even bother to continue your "reply" chain.

>>83626115
>Anyhow this isn't even a dichotomy of any proper typology. Or are extrOverts just extremely shallow people unable to introspect? This can't be, I can do both. That'd be ambivert in your dichotomy? But what if I couldn't do either? That's an ambivert, too. Why are we having a mess of having 2 ambiversions now? JVNG prevented that.

Now you are just literally dropping meaningless buzzwords. None of that was coherent in any way. You seem to misunderstand my position. My position is that "extraverts" and "introverts" don't exist at all. They are delusional ideas invented by some faggot named Jung who thought he could decipher dreams. They aren't real categories. I was asked by some anon to define them and I recited the most commonly agreed upon definition for clarity, but those categories fundamentally DO NOT EXIST. This is the most critical part of this whole discussion. You are not an "introvert" at all. You have simply learned through repeated failure than socializing is bad and painful, and you have internalized an identity of "introvert" to excuse yourself from the responsibility of fixing your bad habits. You are not bound by ADHD or introversion or depression or whatever other psychiatric nonsense you believe describes your dysfunction.

2/?

>>83626503
You've never shot gun have you? You've never felt the recoil or smelt the metallic smoke afterwards. You're not a man, you're just a bitch boy here to please men with your body. Fag.

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>>83626544
This post is "I'm entitled to be liked and you're dysfunctional for not showing me that you like me".

>>83626115
>Not a single certified behaviorist would do a skill hierarchy as a way to order up actual personalities.
>Muddling skill with preference is an extra transgressions under both the Saint temples of Logos AND Eros no less.
Another stupid point you think is clever. Preferences and skills are fundamentally intertwined. We as humans are constantly seeking to develop new skills. We prefer to do things we're good at. That's why sports stars are the best in their particular sport. That's why Beethoven wrote symphonies and Nabokov wrote novels. Consider the last skill you learned. Maybe it was getting good at a video game. The game became more and more fun as your skill improved. And once you attained mastery, your enjoyment of it peaked.

It follows that someone who's highly adept at socializing is going to enjoy it much more than someone who sucks at socializing. If every time you try to talk to someone, they reject you, of course you aren't going to have fun. So yet again, you fundamentally misunderstand my argument, human nature, and even the inner workings of your own mind. Which is quite astonishing considering thst you're lecturing me about fucking Jung.
>Once you understand personality to simply be the aggregate of learned behaviors and social habits - over which you have complete control
>How well can you shapeshift your prefrontal cortex and amygdala right now?
Once again you are either feigning ignorance or genuinely incapable of understanding the (quite simple) point I'm making. Yes, you can, in fact, change your brain structure by changing your behavior, but the change will not be instantaneous nor did I once claim that it would be. Enormous change is gradual and incremental. It always has been. It would appear that you have never once attempted to improve yourself in the manner I've suggested, because if you had, you would know that you're talking out of your ass and you aren't even considering my points in good faith.

3/4

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>>83626115
Tl;dr: You spent hundreds of words to say almost nothing, strawman me repeatedly, and fundamentally misunderstand any part of this discussion. If your post didn't contain typos, I'd probably assume you were a bot.

>>83626471
Type this post, don't care about the method

My shit takes:
>Pure MBTI
ExTJ for sure, breaking even something as mundane as social interaction into logical steps like that is the unmistakable style of this type. If it were a little more detail-oriented I'd quickly say ESTJ.
>Pure Jung
Could be an overworked introverted thinking type trying to access his inferior function but without realizing what he's doing is more akin to try to turn the whole thing into a thinking problem, assigning it to the wrong domain. To note the amount of charged language that seem to imply he's speaking from experience or has strong feelings about ostracization, all of that might be unconscious to the subject, but visible to the public.
>stack-brained MBTI
... no I'm not doing this.
>Enneagram
Mmmm... a 8? Don't ask me for wings or anything else.

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>>83626551
Im eating a sandwich. It's a tuna sandwich. And I also have a blueberry muffin. And also im liatening to king crimson. THE WAAAAALLLLS ON WHICH THE PROPHETS WROTE IS CRACKING AT THE SEAMS UPOOOON THE INSTRUMENTS OF DEATH SUNLIGHT RIGHTLY GLEAMS WHEN EVERY MAN IS TORN APART WITH NIGHTMARES AND WITH DREAMS WILL ONE LAY THERE LAUUUREL WREATH WHEN SILENCE DROOOWNS THE SCREAAAMS CONFUSION WILL BE MY EPITAPTH AS I CRAWL A CRACKED AND BROKEN PATH WHEN WE MAKE IT WE CAN AAALL SIT BACK AND LAUGH BUT I FEAAAR TOMORROW I'LL BE CRYING YES I FEAAAR TOMORROW ILL BE CRYING

that's enough stupid bullshit ill go shit up some other threads xoxo

>>83626232
>You're wrong about your definition of introversion but I won't explain the correct one
It's impossible to talk to people like you because you don't even have a clear definition of terms. Define it, then. Stop waffling and posturing. I'm just using the definition I've heard. I don't spend hours and hours thinking about this shit because it's self-destructive and pointless.

>>83626289
>how most people effectively use the term nowadays as if that's exactly what it meant and what's implied
That's *THE* problem, honestly. It's why such an abundant amount of people are literally mistyped. The language has been skewed by modern reconceptualization (aka misuse).
The same thing happens to intuition. The terms are completely misused and lead to people believing they're a type that they're not. But, it also happens to basically every single term within typology. Even "function use" is completely mischaracterized to imply that an (inferior) function is absent from psyche. As if a thinking type is somehow bereft of feeling. Ludacris. Absurd.
Modernity is a plague upon the psyche, with their incessant insistence that terms just mean whatever, and that they aren't themselves objective.

The worst part about all this, these sorts of mischaracterizations aren't harmless. They do real, measurable damage to people's psyches by reinforcing the identification with archetypes rather than their own psyche.

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>>83626571
>Preferences and skills are fundamentally intertwined.
You're literally too naive and young for this conversation I'm afraid.

>Maybe it was getting good at a video game. The game became more and more fun as your skill improved
Also no.

>Once again you are either feigning ignorance or genuinely incapable of understanding the (quite simple) point I'm making
You're not getting I'm disagreeing with the point as I'm showing you another one.

>Enormous change is gradual and incremental
You claimed "complete" control as meanwhile even TMS and surgical lessons don't guarantee a positive change in the psychobiological state.
Not knowing your limits is very bad.

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Is "evolving from INTP to INTJ" even a real thing?

>>83626551
>>83626544
>>83626574
>>83626578
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>>83626597
LOOK AT YOU GO SAMEFAGGING YOURSELF LOL LMAO.

>>83626604
Not really no.
At best I can say it's possible to have a distorted type and a natural type, and whenever you return to the latter it might feel like an "evolution".

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>>83626526
>Again pretending he doesn't understand the progression of social skills and acting like this is somehow a strike against me
Typical tranimefag behavior. You know exactly what I meant. Shan't be engaging with you anymore since you have proven yourself to be a bad faith actor.

I wish everyone was forced to have a nametag each thread so that sameposts were discovered by proofs

>>83626593
>Define it, then.
It's an inward direction of psychic energy (libido).

In stupid people terms, it's preferring to spend time in your own mind. But, not in a neurotic/avoidant sense.

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>>83626534
>Read hundreds of pages of some Frankfurt school subversive to confirm my worldview even though I can't be bothered to read a couple of 4chan posts
No thanks. I value my sanity.

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>>83626574
You're hypersensitive and come to /r9k/ to peddle pseudo-advice while having your default position to look down on anyone who's not agreeing with you as if they're doomer NEET caricature (your default projection across your posts), as if you have a Dunning Kruger after becoming a corpo drone or something.
Many such cases.
Some other people at least try to enjoy the anonymous company as it is.

>>83626622
You don't even hold any faith in the first place.

>>83626564
>Projecting his weird insecurities out of nowhere
If you say so, bud

>>83626624
>In stupid people terms, it's preferring to spend time in your own mind. But, not in a neurotic/avoidant sense.
No anon, go all the way into introducing the concept of "subjective factor" to the tourist. If only to see how he will end up interpreting it in the dumbest way possible.

>>83626578
>Guy pretends not to understand what I'm saying
>Break it down in excruciating detail in case he is just too stupid to figure it out himself
>Hurr durr definitely the markings of an ExTJ type!
You literally cannot conceive of the possibility that your MBTI model is just wrong. Remarkable. You're like a feminazi who sees everything through the lens of patriarchy.

>>83626623
Can't you filter everyone without a name tag? But if you did the thread would be:
>TE: I like turbie
>Togatanon: I'm eating a pizza
>Mel: I love money
>Turbie: ugoo (^_^) OwO gwaa uwu
>Rxy: blah blah blah blah blah blah textwall
That would be the whole thread since all the other namers are gone.

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>>83626637
>No thanks. I value my sanity.
This has been debunked by yourself WILLFULLY choosing to SEETHE.

>>83626648
I wouldn't mind introducing a concept like that to him, if I had even a sneaking suspicion that he might engage with the idea in good faith.
But, the very fact that he said:
>I don't spend hours and hours thinking about this shit because it's self-destructive and pointless.
Made it completely pointless to try and explain more abstract concepts to him. It would be like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a dog. Actually, worse than that. The dog would at least try to understand what I'm saying, he just wouldn't be capable.

>>83626667
>You literally cannot conceive of the possibility that your MBTI model is just wrong.
Funniest reply I got all week. If only you knew what my posting history on this entire general looks like.
> You're like a feminazi who sees everything through the lens of patriarchy.
>>>/pol/ is that way.

>>83626683
Fair enough, I only suggested that because it had the potential to be entertaining.

>>83626624
>It's an inward direction of psychic energy (libido)
And is libido in this sense different from sexual libido? And what does it mean to have an "inward direction of psychic energy?" Because if your definition of introverts is people who introspect, then all extraverts are basically either retarded or narcissistic almost by definition.

>>83626692
Normally I'd go along with it because you're right. It would be funny.
But I don't have the brainpower cause I'm sick.
Maybe you should do it, and *I* can sit back and laugh.

>>83626592
If you're gonna be an attention whore then at least admit it your a twink who likes attention from a random men online.
>>83626623
And you're as gay as a MFer, ADMIT IT, you even said your relatives think you're a homo so it's too late for you.
>>83626682
You're so obviously a troon it's not even funny.

>>83626709
>then all extraverts are basically either retarded or narcissistic almost by definition.
nta but no, that's just you

>>83626716
>folks I'm such a schemer, I even bought myself new diapers

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>>83624813
>what did the ice cream company mean by this
It's not a big stretch

>>83626644
>projecting that he sees this as an insecurity
Like a mouse to the peanut butter bucket . . .

>>83626599
>You're naive
>Also no.
Not an argument
>You claimed "complete" control as meanwhile even TMS and surgical lessons don't guarantee a positive change in the psychobiological state.
Not even sure what point you're trying to make here. I never claimed that lobotomies or other weird brain-altering procedures were an effective or precise way to change your personality. You are the one who built a strawman about me magically instantly shapeshifting my amygdala. I guess maybe you suffer from the delusion of hard materialism? That everything that happens in your mind and personality is downstream od physical changes in the brain? Pretty odd metaphysical position for someone who constantly fellates Jung.

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>>83626612
Are the samefags in the room with us right now?

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I love my ISTJ friend she is so cute and perfect i just love to make her happy

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>>83626744
>Not an argument
Of course it's not an argument, because you lost the opportunity to discuss or argue like a civil individual, and now I'm lecturing you for my amusement.

>I never claimed that lobotomies or other weird brain-altering procedures were an effective or precise way to change your personality. You are the one who built a strawman about me magically instantly shapeshifting my amygdala
Breathe, inhale, exhale, inhale, exhale. Open a dictionary. Find the strawman entry. Ponder deeply.

>I guess maybe you suffer from the delusion of hard materialism? That everything that happens in your mind and personality is downstream od physical changes in the brain
'xcuse me blud but effects of any willed quantum spiritual Buddha vibe meditations from Yahweh prayers go only as far as we can observe them. Maybe you should try rebraining yourself to reactively toxic.

>>83626762
ISTJ women exist? Where?

>>83626772
>to reactively toxic
to be less reactively toxic*

No ISTJ women are NOT my weakness shut up.

>>83626643
>You're hypersensitive and come to /r9k/ to peddle pseudo-advice
I didn't come here to advise anyone, retard. I came here to answer the OP's prompt and then got quesioned about my understanding of introversion and extraversion, which I answered, and then you barged in and started whinging about "introvertphobes" (lel hilarious term as I don't care about these categories on any deep level) and asking stupid rhetorical questions about amygdalas while posturing as some thoughtful intellectual. If you say something stupid to me, my instinct is to explain why it's stupid. If your interpret that as unwanted advice, that is your problem. Ironically, only people who are stuck in their ways and unwilling to self-examine are the ones who get offended at "unsolicited advice." Which also ironically proves my point that you are so trapped in the MBTI prism that you are unwilling to consider that your model might be wrong. It's wild.

>>83626741
You lost this argument, tranny. Stop embarrassing yourself.

>>83626709
Yes, it's different from the Freudian sense of libido.
>And what does it mean to have an "inward direction of psychic energy?"
For that you have to draw a distinction between the objective (external) and subjective (internal) worlds. It means the psychic authority to yourself is your own internal subjective factor.
To make it a bit more concrete, it means that the subjective factor determines, everything (over generalization) is filtered through the subjective factor.

It's not that you "pay attention" to your internal world. It's that the internal world is what matters, it determines the value, meaning, etc. Of basically everything. It takes precedence over the external.
>Because if your definition of introverts is people who introspect,
No. Introspection is specifically an analysis of your own behaviors, thoughts, etc.

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>>83626784
>I didn't come here to advise anyone
I'm sorry genius-sama, please don't use your supreme social skills to shame me for partaking in the irrational function of processing dynamic subjective factors which I couple with objective fa- Wait a second, you're not just a cunt, you're also full of detritus!
> 83625230
>people like (You) think that they are immutable, even inborn, characteristics. They are not. They are learned psychological habits that can be unlearned. In fact, I would go so far as to call introversion a pathology. It's the net result of negative social experiences subconsciously teaching you that socializing is dangerous and/or difficult. Extraversion is a high-level skillset that basically anyone can learn. Introversion is a low-energy state characterized by inaction and fear. Any extravert can turn himself into an introvert by just not going outside or interacting with people for months or weeks at a time.
>It's extremely dangerous to take these online MBTI tests and internalize your results

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>>83626683
>Episode 3826 of Leftist Pretends to be Intellectually Superior to His Interlocutors
Sounds like "subjective factor" literally just means your subjective perspective. It's not a particularly complex concept, but let me guess, Jung thinks that it supercedes objective reality somehow.

>>83626710
Fuck it okay.

>>83625319
Ahem, introversion as per Jung is an attitude directed towards inner "objects" and the "subjective factor", while at the same time retreating from external "objects".
Objects will be loosely defined as both physical objects(i.e. people, things, whatever you perceive through your senses) and intangible objects(i.e. thoughts, feelings, and whatever you conceive not through the lens of sensory input regardless of whether it might be possible to give it a physical form at a later time).

Subjective factor can be easily understood if you imagine placing a transparent sheet of paper on top of a picture. The latter is the "actual", "real" form of an external object, while the former is the image your mind receives. So far the subjective factor is not a thing yet, I'm just pointing out the difference between the contents of your psyche and what actually exists out there.
Both extraverted types and introverted types have this, the difference begins when the former wants to make sure the contents of their psyche return to the object in a faithful representation of the underlying image as far as possible, so you could say they just try to trace on the transparent sheet of paper as well as they possibly could. oh man I hated doing this shit in school totally not venting with this example here
The latter allows archetypes/collective unconscious/personal unconscious/basically just inner psychic content to have free reign on the piece of paper, eventually drawing an image that might have fuck all to do with the underlying picture, and claiming that is what you should actually be paying attention to, possibly being very dismissive towards the "object" in question.

Also don't take the example too literally, because this applies to things that aren't as physical and easily seen as a literal picture. But ironically enough this is somewhat accurate if we use the introverted sensation type as example specifically.

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ngl psychosophy 1L 2E enneagram 3 so/sp people are not my positive vibe and they are honestly a bad compatibility with 2L-core.

>>83626814
Nah it's archetype stuff.
You're more of a leftist than Karl Marx himself btw (pizza be upon him). You'd seethe at Stirner more than Marx and Engels ever could lol lol lol and I'm not even a fan.

>>83626831
how u doin today bby?

>>83626772
I looked at the wikipedia article for strawman, and in the example section, it links directly to your /r9k/ posts.

>>83626814
>literally just means your subjective perspective
That's part of it, yes. But, also no. Personal experience can, itself, be objective.
It specifically refers to the ego and its creations. For example, the experience of the color red is objective. This experience was not created by the ego, it is given to the ego and therefore objective.
The ego doesn't decide to perceive red as the experience you know as red, in watered down terms.

>>83626793
So basically you are saying that by your (or Jung's?) definitions, an introvert defines what's important based on his own thoughts and an extravert outsources that definition to other people/society? Sounds like extraverts are just the NPC meme.

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>psychology is bad because I keep fearing it says an extravert like me is an NPC
>hard materialism with everything just being downstream of physical changes in the brain would be extremely uncomfy to consider

>>83626872
Your repressed existential crisis is boring bruh.

Also adding to the above example, it only works with the assumption of perfectly extraverted or introverted people, however those don't really exist.

The extravert will let his subjective factor slip into things, and generally will consider this as undesirable, confusing, and sometimes strangely fascinating. They might appreciate this in other people whenever it takes a less "inferior" and "primitive" form, or basically when it comes from actual introverts, but they will struggle to naturally get it as long their extraverted ego gets in the way.

The introvert will let blatant tracing slip into his subjective factor, but might not necessarily perceive any relation between that and the external object it came from. They also might appreciate extraverted traits when coming from actual extraverted people, same as before. The reasoning being that it helps both types avoiding a too one-sided existence.

>>83626872
NPC meme is actually participation mystique, look it up, it's a funny term that can be almost 1:1 compared to it.
Extraverts don't simply let the external objects affect them, they also want to manipulate the external objects, live in symbiosis with them, it's a proactive attitude not a passive one. Ideally they give out as much as they take, the problem is that, if they are particularly one-sided, what they give out will lack any real "character" or anything that speaks of them possessing any inner reality. If not accidentally because they aren't consciously aware or very in touch with it, but might happen either way.

>>83626872
>based on his own thoughts
It's more complex than that. But, you're thinking in the right general direction.
>extravert outsources that definition to other people/society?
This is where things go off the rails. It's just that the value of things is not generally subjectively determined.
You could think of it as the "marketplace of ideas" determines what is valuable to an extrovert. The tricky part is trying to pin down the definition of what exactly is "the marketplace of ideas", because it's not specifically one thing. It's a conglomerate of different concepts and ideas interacting. Some from within the self, some from without.

You have to differentiate "the Self" from "the Ego" The Ego is subjective, the Self is objective in relation to the Ego.

>>83626831
It will probably not surprise you to learn that I'm just about as far right as you can get. It will, however, probably shock you to learn that I actually agree with Karl Marx on some of his analysis.
>>83626818
By this definition it sounds like introverts reify their own internal worlds to the point of delusion. You need external stimulus in order to keep your internal model updated. Otherwise you unironically end up believing in things like transgenderism because they can be internally consistent without reference to the real, material world. And the opposite extreme would be NPCism where you can never trust your own thoughts and feelings, and you always look to authority or to the clan to determine your internal model, if you even have one. I'm still not convinced that this dichotomy is useful, though. Can you give examples of extraverted and introverted behavior? And why would it be useful to categorize yourself as one or the other?

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I don't blame you guys for taking so many posts to explain subjective factor because it's actually just archetypal datums that are mostly irrelevant to 2 types of subjectivities and 4 types of selves.
Jung was social-centric since it looks "subjective" only from empirical hard research extravert perspective.

>>83626916
>It will probably not surprise you to learn that I'm just about as far right as you can get. It will, however, probably shock you to learn that I actually agree with Karl Marx on some of his analysis
Let me guess, bankers bad and guns and racism? How original. What have you read of Marx though?

>>83626916
>By this definition it sounds like introverts reify their own internal worlds to the point of delusion
It is one of the many dangers of an introverted attitude so you are right about noticing that, but thankfully most people aren't one-sided.
>And the opposite extreme would be NPCism where you can never trust your own thoughts and feelings, and you always look to authority or to the clan to determine your internal model, if you even have one.
That is also a danger of going too deep into extraversion noted by Jung himself, they can become very willing to shut down their inner thoughts and defer to anything external, coming across as very mentally dependant.

>>83626916
>Can you give examples of extraverted and introverted behavior?
The example about drawing above a picture is actually something that can 100% happen literally.
That said, one of the first things you need to learn about MBTI, or Jungian typology, is that all types can behave in a certain way: somebody shutting himself up cannot be instantly categorized as an introvert, though you could technically say they are engaging into something introverts are very likely to do because take a guess what's the easiest way to "retreat from external objects".
The question is about what leads to what, how does that reflect on the subject given his type, and mental/psychological habits. So in this case, could an extravert do that? Absolutely, and is it immediately a bad sign? Not really, maybe he wants to take some time to engage with something else, or maybe he ended up finding out something extremely fascinating in his introverted unconscious to the point you might mistake him as introvert, even if he isn't.

>And why would it be useful to categorize yourself as one or the other?
In my opinion it's interesting to learn about the existence of your type, as well as other people's types in order to better understand both your own psyche and how other people have that essentially flipped backwards compared to you. Not only that, but it leads you to understand a lot of various cultural/social differences as a whole.
Going by Jung himself, he wanted to figure out both his own conflict with Freud, and the differences between Freud and Adler contributions to the world of psychoanalsysis, because he thought they both made a lot of sense yet seemed to completely oppose each other, so what was happening there?
Turns out that it's because one had a perfectly valid introverted viewpoint, and the other had a perfectly valid extraverted viewpoint, but both thought only one system was valid for everyone.

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>>83626818
Meta-moment and not a critique, but if someone had read posts like this generally like this before rereading (really amplifying it with words right now):
>[start] [this makes comprehensible sense for a newcomer] [I get what it's getting at but these terms are loaded and convoluted, I'm not participating directly so I'm not going to pressure test if it holds water] [linguistic fluff, skip] [makes comprehensible sense for a newcomer again so I can presume the previous black box doesn't have to be tested] [repeat from start]
Then what's their type, in whatever typologies?
Totally not me so don't get any bias.

I could probably exploit this thought to write my pseud posts better though...

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>>83624353
INFP confirmed

>>83627042
>Then what's their type, in whatever typologies?
Pure Myers MBTI would probably say you aren't a S type because you skipped over and of course they would never do such a thing. In fact they will even re-read it 10 times. (But Myers, didn't Jung just tell you that your most differentiated function is the "fastest" and most "efficient" at imprinting things in your consciousness? A real sensation type would be able to repeat the text verbatim after a very quick read for the next 10 years to come. Whether they understand what's actually written there is another story.)
Other than that, nothing really.

>>83627056
yOU ARE EATING AN INFP!!!! :OOO

>>83624353
>No new posts
why is an isfp a piece of bread covered in worms? do dutch people really eat this?

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Your post almost made me insult t*Rbie a few tiers way too hard.
You should be ashamed of yourself.

Why would I be ashamed of your dark heart?

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Despite occasionally doing Jungian interpretations for fun, I don't actually trust any symbolic interpretations and abstractions beyond 1.5 layers. Some people may think just like Jung had projected, but that's not even 1/16th of people.

>>83626471
>High risk situation, needs to be handled eith utmost precision
I can do this and I disagree with you.

Infj is the best type. It is genuinely pathetic to watch the rest of you stumble through life while we are forced to navigate your incompetence. I am tired of playing nice and pretending that your "strengths" are anything more than coping mechanisms for your glaring psychological deficiencies. We sit at the top of the cognitive pyramid, burdened with the god-like ability to see through every lie you tell yourselves, yet we are expected to act humble for the sake of your fragile egos. The truth is that being an INFJ is not a "personality type," it is a higher state of being that the rest of you couldn't reach if you had a thousand lifetimes to try. INFJs are all Gods compared to you, and it is time someone had the courage to tell you that you are fundamentally obsolete.

>>83629288
>we are forced to navigate your incompetence
Clean it up janny "god"

>>83629345
Why everyone is inferior to INFJ:
>ENTJ: walking insecurity complex who thinks money and status makes up for having the emotional intelligence of a brick.
>INTJ: the budget version of INFJ who lacks the social hardware to interact with humans without looking like a malfunctioning bot
>INFP: bottomless pit of useless self-pity who needs to kys
>ENFJ: Desperate social parasite who would literally cease to exist if people stopped giving you the constant attention you crave.
>ENFP: A manic clown who ruins everything they touch because they have the attention span of a goldfish.
>ENTP: Assholes everyone dislikes who have no actual convictions.
>INTP: Basement dwelling pedants who hoard useless facts but can't have a simple conversation.
>ISTJ: Biological filing cabinet that is too boring to even be considered a person.
>ISFJ: Spineless fag who lets everyone walk all over them
>ESTJ: Basically hall monitor taddle tales who peaked in middle school and now makes everyone else miserable by exsisting.
>ESFJ: cowardly display of suburban mediocrity whose entire identity is built on beige wallpaper.
>ISTP: Socially stunted "person" who communicates in grunts because their brain cannot process anything more complex then being a retarded mechanic
>ESTP: Niggers whose only contribution to society is a dying from alcohol poisoning or at accidents at 52yo.
>ISFP: Fragile snowflakes who think wearing a weird hat makes them an artist.
>ESFP: The cum dumpsters of the types who need attention to exist.

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>>83629288
>we are forced to navigate your incompetence
JANNIE CONFIRMED

>>83629399
>INFJ: too histrionic and obnoxious to get their shit together

>kris being an unc again

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>>83629288
I think trying to claim you're superior based on an arbitrary "personality type" dreamed up by two foids (meyers/briggs) is a sign of retardation. It's like taking the online harry potter sorting hat test and claiming that makes you better then everyone.

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idk where I got this from this slaps lk deadass

Imagine coming to a thread about a topic you believe to be false.

>you're mbti type
>do it bounce

I wish turbie loved me enough to let me hold her while we sleep T_T

>>83629471
>You tricked Mel by pretending to be girl
>You ranted about being better then other reggies a few threads ago
>You get into arguments about vtubers
Quit pretending you have some moral or intellectual point to make, youre just butthurt he insulted your type.

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>>83629590
>>You ranted about being better then other reggies a few threads ago
He omitted saying anything actually bad about me so clearly that's a wrong statement (a most mundane INFJ ploy to recruit me for a moment like this)
I'm not a reggy though

>>83629547
You sound like you wear diapers to work

>>83629492
Socionics-tier dichotomies.

>>83629657
That's cause he couldn't use AI to scan your posts easily otherwise he would have gone after you.

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>>83629717
Actually I remembered he scanned fake slop posts that gave me MBTI ESTP type and that's as bad as blood libel. That's it BOTH of you are extremely gay and are made for each other

>>83629717
He makes bait threads every other day, usually a pic of mint with her tongue out and a title like:
>"Is it better to groom a HS girl or fuck a femboy"
Or
>"Whenever I cum I suddenly want to eat big hotdogs why is that?"
It's basic ENTP shit posting. He's being doing this for about a year, the only silver lining is that other vtuber fags go into his threads and argue with him about which vtuber is better.

>>83629783
Which reggy is he?

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>>83624353
>Your type
INFP
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
Every day always feels too short to me.
I guess my favorite would be just sleeping immediately because I have enough trouble sleeping already so it's a luxury if I'm tired enough to fall asleep easily. And all day I already do what most people would consider to be relaxing things.
>what food makes you feel strong?
Green tea with honey
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
Alone (obvious) but I don't have anyone else in my life so who knows
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
Controversial take: I think steak is one of the most overrated foods on the planet. And I also do prefer medium. Not medium rare but actual medium. I think everybody has pysoped themselves into thinking under cooked beef tastes good. Sashimi actually does taste good (not necessarily better than cooked fish) but under cooked beef simply doesn't. I won't apologize for having this opinion or change my ways.

>>83629811
I scanned his rant about the other reggies and had grok analyze it, it says it's either
:Togatanon or the patchouli poster
>Togatanon
They write the similar.
>Patchy poster
They write vaguely similarly but the big clue was patchouli was the only reggie he didn't outright insult (he said something like "the patchouli poster is foolish for wasting his time posting to losers).

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>I scanned his rant about the other reggies and had grok analyze it
21ST CENTURY... DETECTIVE MAN

I asked a LLM to rate some explanations of Jung concepts and he fucking roasted them.

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>>83629887
nigga i barely even look at this thread anymore. i don't even care enough to start psyoping you guys

>>83629887
You are TE

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>>83629887
>Togaboi patchy
No, he's an oldfag, he knows all the old reggie lore, he said he used to namefag, and seemed surprised /mbti/ survived the great reset. Which implies he left for a while. He seems to REALLY hate /mbti/ and in particular the other old fags (like TE, rxy, turbie and INFJ-A). Implying he has some beef with them or is bitter he is back to being here and seeing them again.

>samefaggin but but but it's special this time ok

>>83630147
Youre an attention whore who wants attention like a crackhead, so don't pretend to be anything more then fag, do you understand Europoor? Can you even speak english? Are you even white?

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>Thread is back to talking about reggies.
Just kill yourselves already.

Speaking of reggies, roll for which reggie you get to sleep with tonight:
>0: TE
>1: patchouli
>2: togatanon
>3: Rxy
>4: Alastor poster
>5: Trubie
>6: lilac
>7: Mel
>8: diarygirl
>9: no one you lose

>>83629547
>I wish turbie loved me enough to let me hold her while we sleep T_T
She doesn't even love you enough to contact you outside of /r9k/, so you probably shouldn't hold your breath.

Guy's I believe I am an incredibly gifted smart person with a high IQ

>>83629276
Good for you. It's clearly relatively high risk compared to talking to your brother.

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>>83630147
twizzy
>>83630421
rolling

https://youtube.com/shorts/1Pzx8C1-PhY?si=_YEBvccL6-dY5foS

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>chokehold my boss as a joke
>call out my manager conducting a meeting on not knowing the hell he's talking about (I did only one hour of reading on the topic)
>trashtalk another manager until he starts give me death threats and some more until he got over it
I dunno y'all "extraverts", I'd rate these as 5-6/10 complexity max, i.e. not complex.

>>83630607
>Too much of a pussy to respond directly to my post
>Post is overflowing with passive aggression
Yeah, I'm sure you are very assertive in your business meetings, anon.

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>>83630685
Ayo who the fuck are you?

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>>83630299
did you know the alphabet goes like this?
1.a
2.b
3.c
4.d
5.e
6.f
7.g
8.h
9.i
10.j
11.k
12.l
13.m
14.n
15.o
16.p
17.q
18.r
19.s
20.t
21.u
22.v
23.w
24.x
25.y
26.z
thanks for watching. like and subscribe please

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>>83630558
very true my toganigga!

>>83630421
I'm getting togatanon I can feel it

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>>83630421
>4: Alastor poster
I love that newfigs call me this. I find it amusing.

>>83631023
Don't worry everyone will get back to calling you a retard soon enough

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>>83631075
Oh god, I hope so. Being called retarded by retards is my kink.

>>83631104
gayest /mbti/ post award

>>83630860
U got TE. Enjoy being with an ethnic hairy manlet lol

>>83630421
Would 6 or 8 be more fun

>>83631211
It's not gay because all the posters here are women. Don't you know, mbti is for women.

> 83630421
67 because 689

>>83631370
Gay lesbians

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>>83631428
did anyone say lesbian?
IMMA RUN OVER A POLICE OFFICER WITH MY CAAARRR PLZ THINK OF MA KIIID

umm excuse me. ive been waiting patiently for my reading. if it's not too much trouble I would still like to read it. thank you for consideration please.

Everyone is ethnic.
Everyone has some race.
My ethnicity is Anglo-Saxon.
I am the Nordic viking who will save Brittainia.

>>83631784
Link every message you sent that you want read.

>>83630421
Why are calenders rich?
Because they have paper for days.

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>>83629492
I posted it here sometime around March 23, 2024! ^w^
Maybe it was then?
If the filename was the 4chan filename and not a randomized string such as 4chanX applies, that could be one way to tell! :O

>>83632003
This is the research Hoe Math uses in his research! :0

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>>83632003
Another!

>>83632001
Good one! >w<

>>83632020
(>^_^)><(^_^<)
Squuueze

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>>83632016
It sure is~!

>>83632032
D-don't squeeze me *too* hard this week!
The liturgical colors are still... white!! >_<

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>>83628559
By the way, Jung interpreted like he did practically only as a method to build rapport with the patient to bait them into awe transferences. It was the patients walking in into his thought territory.
Otherwise, it's practically pointless wankery to interpret something in a vacuum, just like writing in some school essay format. Except as training for when you'll be doing Jungtard style therapy, but if you're not feeling compatible then don't bother.
Moreover Jung, again, wasn't dogmatic on his interpretation style and called to discard it on incompatibility with patients or during dream interpretations (that have their own interpretation meta per dreamworld, usually).

Some very basic visceral interpretations are good and universal as tools though.
Funny that none of this is really good with practical inter-qualia phenomenology introspection. Nothing formalized is, AFAIK.

>>83632053
>The liturgical colors are still... white!! >_<
That's okay I'm bathed ^_^ let me wash your feet ^_^

hrrrffflmfffao

>>83624353
i resent the pofferties...

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>gelatin-based pancake starts whistling a tune
Alright that's enough of waking world for today.

>>83631976
no I dun wan u trying to gpt analysis me

>>83632294
How are we meant to read you if you're not identifiable?

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>your type
>what meaning does life have to you
>what value would you say someone else's life has
>would you say your life is as valuable
>if you could change one thing about human society or culture what would it be
>what are your thoughts on violence
>if you could instantly learn any new skill what would it be

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>>83624353
>Your type
INTP-T
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
Some bong hits on the couch snuggling with my puppy and/or kitty while watching a movie. I feel the stresses of the day evaporate as the thc courses through my veins and i stroke my furry friends.
>what food makes you feel strong?
Tuna fish over rice. Its simple but its one of the few foods i feel good after eating instead of sick.
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
Alone. I have big personal space.
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
Well done. I get a lot of shit for that but as far as im concerned its called well dine cuz its done well.

>>83632415
>if you could instantly learn any new skill what would it be
I'd probably learn something useful like welding, or carpentry

our best reggies should be waking up soon

>>83633112
which reggie is your favorite?

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>>83633553
This veggie is my favorite.

>>83632502
>Some bong hits on the couch snuggling with my puppy and/or kitty while watching a movie.
Who's that brit

>>83634163
I think he meant a different type of bong...

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Speaking in Jungfaggings again.

When you'd see expressive anger issues being a thing, you'd consider that this is a typical problem of differentiation of affect, so the person has feeling and sensation as the more inferior functions.
When you'd see repression of anger issues and subsequent neuroses from it, you wouldn't really think of a type. Even "xNTx" could be like this.
How come? Since even if it's sentiment work, sentiments aren't guaranteed to be resolved in feelers types just like not all thinkers can resolve all logic tasks all the time?

Not even speaking of archetypes being a factor here.

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>>83632415
>>your type
INTJ
>>what meaning does life have to you
Euhm...
>>what value would you say someone else's life has
Euhm...
>>would you say your life is as valuable
Euhm...
>>if you could change one thing about human society or culture what would it be
It's good as it is.
>>what are your thoughts on violence
Euhm...
>>if you could instantly learn any new skill what would it be
It'd be the skill of figuring out what's the next skill it'd be extremely helpful to learn.

>>83635671
repression of anger issues is the rational thing to do so any rational type would do it after some thought

>>83635910
i.e. T/F dom types?

>>83635978
>i.e. T/F dom types?
yes

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>>83626471
>>Interjecting at a board meeting to provide constructive criticism on your coworkers' latest project.
>High risk situation, needs to be handled eith utmost precision and care to maintain your image in the eyes of all present while still effectively communicating problems
You'll burnout within a few years like this because you do not know why you're in there. You're in corpo buzzword slave morality mode where you feel like you're put into a situation and you have to perform. Someone who's there to be cooperative or at least voracious or competitive wouldn't bother their amygdala with this sissy persecution complex.

>>83635993
>>83635910
Sensible enough and also made me realize I don't know whether Jung had tried to put the shadow repression process under the subjective/objective factor explanation. I'll have to look it up when I'll be able to stomach the scatterbrain woo.

I wonder how PT would have looked like if Jung himself was a completely different type, such as an extraverted sensation type instead, who would be more willing to throw in some crude details.

>>83624353
>Your type
INFP
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
Masturbation
>what food makes you feel strong?
I never feel strong
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
Alone
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
Rare

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>>83629399
>who needs to kys
Fine by me
*kills you*

>>83624353
>Your type
INTP
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
If it was a particularly eventful day I will treat myself to an edible or something and play video games or watch a movie.
>what food makes you feel strong?
Can't say any food makes me feel particularly strong. As long as I am well rested I always feel strong.
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
Alone, so much so that I cut almost everyone I knew out of my life years ago to have a more relaxing life. I recommend anyone who isn't much of a people person to do the same, it's quite nice.
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
For me it's medium rare.

>that image
Maybe it's because I'm not too big on sea food but that INTP one looks kind of gross.

>>83636628
What a scary photograph I really thought this frog would shoot me!!

What a silent slee0y day

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An /mbti/er could use to complete Xenogears and Xenosagas since they're pure Jungwank and philosophy/esoterics-nerding.
I'm putting off Xenosagas playthroughs for later.

>>83638085
I guess everyone's enjoying their weekends. Or they're just sick of these threads; time will tell.

>>83631362
I ship Lilac x diarygirl personally, its my /r9k/ OTP

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i used to pee into a cup until one day i saw a child peeing on his hands. and that's when i realized that if a child can pee into his hands, then i don't need a cup to pee in. i am only taking away from nature's glory. so i peed on the kid. from then on, i only peed on kids.

>>83638365
Watch Heartcatch Precure while you are at it
>begins with introvert/extravert pair
>both are particularly one-sided
>eventually joined by a 3rd member, while the 4th member will remain the outlier for a long time
>a bunch of episodes where they face their shadow self in order to obtain a huge powerup, and it's not even subtle in the slightest
Can you feel the Jung yet?

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>>83638480
What quadrant doth thou shippest them *in*, pray tell?

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>>83638522
I heard and seen Precures having good fight choreography sometimes so I just exactly might.

Since we're on this topic, MMBN gets quite henshin hero chuuni around Jung.
>MMBN has the cyberworld both as the internet and as de-facto almost a psychical layer as if it's Persona (the staple of Jungfaggin' after SMT)
>MMBN 1-3 are rather mild except that your buddy navigator can individuate on 2 layers, both for game mechanics and plot points
>MMBN 4 explicitly has you do the nigredo stage of BTFOing the shadow of your mana avatar (more intimidating than Dark Link in OoT since your whole OP folder is used against you)
>MMBN 4-6 get big on topic of integrating/introjecting and temporarily using others' personas like they're archetypes. This continues onto MMSF
>MMBN 4-5 introduces corruption by max HP loss and questionable evil state from exploiting dark abilities not unlike identifying with your shadow messes you up. Literally stop being able to enter the special flow/synchro stare or being able to use integrated personas or being able to benefit from your team in 5, etc
>MMBN 4-6 has archetypal shadow possession as a playable (auto berserk) game mechanic. 4-5 trigger it when you're about to die while being "evil." 6 has it as freaking Id that's more choosable. In 5, failing during work with a risky Chaos Unison mode (psychosis bros where we at?) summons your invulnerable shadow against you for a short time

>>83638933
>I heard and seen Precures having good fight choreography sometimes so I just exactly might.
Prepare to be disappointed, there are some good fights here and there but they are exceptions, not the norm. Still, way better than something like Sailor Moon purely in terms of fights, otherwise the latter is a better series overall.
But that specific season is very in your face with Jungian themes,

Also
>MMBN
Jungism surely does pop out in unexpected places.

>>83638743
they're same person. same hair, same stomach, same boobs.

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By the way, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon personality typing is my favourite, but maybe right after Mega Man Zero player nicknaming based on substats of how they've completed the level and first time MMBN 2-3 style unlock based on how you've played the game so far.
If your typology isn't around the executive function, the preferences, the playfulness, and a reality check, then is it even trying?

Naturally, the perfect chuuni typing would be like in Accel World. It's even enantiodromia-based and individuation
-compatible! What a treat.

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>>83638988
Oh btw FromSoftware went hardcore on Jungisms NOT in a fantasy game

>AC6
>a drug that's also fuel is also collective unconsciousness
>navigator characters are a Freud-like neurotic and basically your psychopomp anima he's not aware of
>the two mundane endings are Freudian (just do your reductionist-approved job and pretend like it gave you a reason to exist) and meta-Jungian (just work with your anima as you do an explicit Jung-Freud conflict reference) (also irrelevant to a character literally named Freud that has some Id obsession over having the most of fun out of piloting, so much that he rejects any Superego leadership position possibility)
>the protag energy character (who is NOT the playable character) is all full of hero archetype energy (with textbook references to flight) but never ever gets it developed into warrior archetype (Robert Moore bros we eating real good)
>third ending is a schizoid & collective unconsciousness VS a BPD narc & collective consciousness

>>83639860
Haven't played that yet, but sounds funny

>>83639860
>full of hero archetype energy
>BPD narc & collective consciousness
They're the same entity poser.

>>83640036
Dude Rusty is not Iguazu and Rusty's absorbed data is still not Rusty you reductionist freak.

>>83640120
But Ayre is the hero

Back on the true topic, how popular is MBTI nowadays?
I could tell you that I still often see social media profiles with a type in it, with actually a decent split between 16p typings and actual MBTI, but I hardly see any discussion outside of pdb or here. Haven't watched YouTube in a while so idk what ot looks like.

>>83640130
More like a manipulative backseat driver that doesn't make it easier for you whenever she steps in...

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>>83640170
Korean manhwa authors either secretly or openly use it often. It's definitely having its own communities in the Oriental net.
r*Ddit isn't very alive with anything interesting.
Most active YouTube circles are a content farm where MBTI is for pop psych memes even more than in other places. I can presume it's the same for tiktok. At this point the best newest MBTI content are fanarts of 16p avatars...
PersonalityCafe still goes strong and good enough for me to check specific archives once in a while.

>>83640236
The Korean fascination with MBTI has been going on for a while now. Wonder what's up with that.
Wish it caught on more in Japan, at least among idols

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>>83624353
>>Your type
INFJ
>>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
Sitting down and playing vidya
>>what food makes you feel strong?
Idk
>>do you rest better alone or with other people?
Alone
>>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
Well done

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>>83638481
>i used to pee into a cup until one day i saw a child peeing on his hands. and that's when i realized that if a child can pee into his hands, then i don't need a cup to pee in. i am only taking away from nature's glory. so i peed on the kid. from then on, i only peed on kids.
Thats some deep wisdom Togata-kun. Back when I was a mainline Christian, i remember a pastor saying something like "I used to hate having to walk until I met a man with no legs". I guess he was trying to put things into perspective, but it came off sounding like "I look at other peoples suffering to feel better about myself LOL".
>>83638365
>Xenogears
Played it when I was 15yo on an emulator. Was the best of the "Xeno" series (not graphically lol). You'd have to be dumb not to see the Jung & obvious Gnostic & Kabbalah stuff. I liked how the 3 villians were representations of the dark triad.
>Xenosaga
Played them when I was 16yo. Was decent, but IMO not quiet as good as Xenogears (but my favorite looking of the 3 series). The tone reminds me of a little bit of golden-age Star Trek (80s/90s) + Jung + Gnosticism.
>Xenoblade
(T_T). Games are way to tropey (the 2 I played). I was able to guess the plot as it went along, and philosophy stuff was hamfisted (like the obvious platos cave thing). Plus it had that Japanese tendency of making a very simple concept convoluted to make it seem myserious or deep.

>>83640120
>>83640130
I won't miss.

PURE KINO

>>83640344
>"I look at other peoples suffering to feel better about myself LOL"
I wonder if that's why my ESFJ loves arrest and court videos so much.

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>>83640344
>Xenoblade
I only bothered to complete XCX (for same reason why I bothered to play TotK but not BotW - weird vehicle exploration autism). Its remaster probably made better use of the natural emergent noosphere and forced integration noosphere concepts it introduced by the end of the story (the only noteworthy things aside from chuuni anime stuff), but I'm not replaying all of that fetching simulator until I forget enough of it.

I played xenogears but didn't like xenosaga. Id was scary.

>>83640691
>XCX fetching simulator
THATS ALL THE GAME IS. So what do you mean "forget enough of it"? There's nothing to forget.
>chuuni
in what way?
>>83640885
>Xenosaga scary
LULWUT? Do you hide under your bedsheets at night too anon?

>>83641246
Id was in xenogears. He was scary.

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>>83641246
>>chuuni
>in what way?
Ehhhh? Pathos in every story mission, overdrive mode even for the Skell, hueg swords and cannons for hueg robos, kewl top secrit prototype Ares Skell getting STOLEN, yamato damashii of some furries, debates like "actually we DIDN'T need the Skell anyway, we're here just to defend the city" to outchuuni a smug alien, Skell vs Skell battle theme being the best one in the entire game and maybe even Sawano's portfolio-

>THATS ALL THE GAME IS. So what do you mean "forget enough of it"? There's nothing to forget.
All of the above plus timing chained buffs and debuffs and crits plus using a discharged Skell like a dumb shield to pop in and out from plus all the Skell transformation types during standstill and movement obviously. The biped-to-quadruped car split is still in my head rent-free.

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>>83641256
>Id was scary
Id represents the "primary shadow" (repressed self) and is what (You) can become if "broken" by your enviorment (another example would be joker 2019).
Other villians:
>Miang
Represents the "devouring anima" in her case brough on by a belief in biological determinism. This makes her incapable of feeling love, and only seeing others are objects of utility.
>Grahf
Represents nihilism from being unable to find meaning in suffering, so is determined to destroy life (this is the path of communists, who are unable to cope with the fact the world inherently unequal, so try to force "equality" via extermination and cruelty).
>Krelian
Represents existentialism & the human inability to live in a world without objective meaning. When "God" (the church/Sophia) failed him, Krelian decided to create his own God. This is similar to tech-bros wanted to create AI gods.
>Ramsus
He represents the fragile ego that bases its entire self-worth on being "special" or "the best." (narcassism & BPD). He shows how a person can become a villain simply because they are seeking external validation for a void they feel inside. IRL this is hollywood actors.

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Lets all give thanks to patchouli poster!
By ENDLESSLY textwalling his autistic nonsense, he drove out the reggie gossip fags and the troll posts.
>No one claims to be hitler anymore, no one is harassing turbie, no more touhou posters forcing the image limit early, no more "wut reggie do you love most" posts.
He saved the thread

You may have known woodys catchphrase >>83641649
>>No one claims to be hitler anymore, no one is harassing turbie, no more touhou posters forcing the image limit early, no more "wut reggie do you love most" posts.
Patchy was behind all of those posts

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>>83641597
I think both Id as a concept and Id as a character here exactly fit a certain chaotic animalistic archetype as described by Freud, that works better than trying to re-Jung it.

Also some retrospection I made recently got me to realize Fei had been the real villain through and through all along ever since his first proto-incarnation where he coded Elly to be whatever his anima is, i.e. just a projection doll. The plot doesn't emphasize enough how self-absorbed he has been. This is like his inherent quality since Grahf didn't even care for Elly's reincarnations per se. I guess you could say he owns up to it in the transcendental ending though.


Second real villain is Citan who doesn't stop you from eating sloppa, just so that he could deliver cool exposition.

>>83641666
Well if Satan is complaining then it was worth it.

>>83641368
>Pathos in every story missio
If by "pathos" you mean anime tropes, sure I guess
>overdrive mode even for the Skell
It's called a "limit break", it's a common mechanic in JRPGs, EVER PLAYED AN RPG MY DUDE????????!!!!!!?????!!!!!!!???????!!!!!!??????!!!!!??????!!!!!
>hueg swords and cannons for hueg robos
Young men want objects that are psychologic extensions of their penis as symbol of thier virility. It's not hard to understand unless you're a tranny.
>yamato damashii of some furries
You talkin bout the nopon? yeah I agree.
>debates like 'actually we DIDN'T need the Skell anyway, we're here just to defend the city' to outchuuni a smug alien
The BLADE vs Ganglion bravado thing was so bad ass I cried.

>>83641731
WRONG. "Id" is explicitly Fei's Jungian Shadow the repressed, destructive underside of the psyche that must be confronted and integrated for individuation. Freud's Id is just the raw instinctual drive, but the game's whole arc for Fei is pure Jung: splitting off the Shadow (Id) due to trauma, repressing it, then merging it back with the Ego (constructed Fei persona) and original Self (the Coward) in Bethlehem for wholeness. Trying to Freud it exclusively ignores how Xenogears layers both but resolves via Jungian synthesis, Fei doesn't suppress Id forever; he owns the full self, trauma and all. That's why the transcendental ending works: it's not just "owning up," it's achieving the Self archetype

Fei as the "real villain" is a wild misread his "proto-incarnation" didn't "code" Elly as a projection doll. The reincarnation cycle started with the Eldridge crash and Zohar/Wave Existence experiment: Kadomony creates elly as the "Mother" protocol for human psyches, counterpart to Fei reincarnations. They reincarnate together across 10,000 years to reassemble Deus, bound by mutual love/hate fei seeks Elly, she him. It's systemic fate from Deus's design, not Fei's solo self absorption. Lacan (Fei) did obsess over Sophia (Elly's), painting her and spiraling into Grahf after her death not indifference. Fei breaks the cycle by rejecting Krelian's "perfect unity" for flawed human love with Elly, freeing souls and the Wave Existence.

Citan letting you chow down on goyslop was cause that's survival in a desperate situation, and he's the mentor who pulls strings as a Solaris defector to save your ass repeatedly (fake betrayal to awaken Id, intel dumps, Gear upgrades). Zero villain energy; he's the Wise Old Man archetype guiding integration.

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>>83641802
>>83641731
>>83641597
>Jap game about a group of friends killing God
>"ITS SO DEEP"
It's slop escapism that has no deeper meaning then MAKING MONEY. While you discuss how this goyslop made you 'feel', the director is feeling a 16yo idols mouth on his dick while sitting in penthouse laughing at you virgin losers. NOw how does that feel? Whats your jungian analysis of that?

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>>83641748
>You talkin bout the nopon? yeah I agree
I mean the wrothian weirdos. Nopons are just merchants made palatable as mascots.
>It's called a "limit break"
Usually RPG ones don't feel as good as a Devil Trigger so yeah, Overdrive was distinctive enough in immersion for me.
>>hueg swords and cannons for hueg robos
>Young men want objects that are psychologic extensions of their penis as symbol of thier virility
This is a slightly better explanation than "it's all about the womb" or "it's all overcompensation" I guess.

>>83641802
Now try again without having wiki-cherry-picking midwit LLM for brains (challenge difficulty level: impossible ultrahell)

>>83641860
Krissy you're just too projecting and not autistic enough to even bait well here, sit this one down. The director is so obsessed with Elly he's like keeping non-censored copies of the game anime vid cutscenes where her nipples weren't censored out. Don't ask me why I remember these kinds of stuffs.

>>83641802
Fe had 3 split personalities

>>83639085
Neither of them have posted nudes, how do you know what either of their boobs or tummies look like? Also, Diarygirl is brunette. Lilac is ginger.

>>83641870
>I guess
You don't wanna look at and hold huge penis? What are you homo?
>>83641860
>muh reductionism
Ever notice these materialists like to reduce everything to cumming, getting high, shitting & etc?
>"why did Rembrant paint the-"
>(You) "cause he wanted to get rich so he could screw bitches in the butt harharharharhar I'm so clever and edgy"
>>83641731
>Well if Satan is complaining then it was worth it.
Wait, youre actually the one do all the reggie drama posts? Why? The thread is crap enough it doesn't need more shit.
>>83640170
>how popular is MBTI nowadays?
Somewhat popular, pretty much every middle class normie is aware of it, about 1/3rd have taken the test, but only maybe about 1/100 know anything about it (such as what the functions are). It's no where near as popular as astrology. It's about as popular as Libertarianism.
>I hardly see any discussion
Dude people hardly discuss stuff like meditation (which actually produces postive effects), what makes you think they're gonna care about something that doesn't do anything for them other then categorizing/defining certain habitual behavior patterns.

>Your type
ENSK (Eu Nao Sei Kkk)
>whats your favorite way to relax after a long day
Lying with my doguinho and doomscrolling.
>what food makes you feel strong?
Oatmeal.
>do you rest better alone or with other people?
Alone.
>do you like your steaks rare, medium, or well done?
Medium rare

>>83641860
That isn't what the game is about fatty.