Tanakh - one God
Bible - three gods
Qu'ran - one God
why promote polytheism

>>12024490
the bible isnt three Gods its 1 God in 3 persons, Father, Son, and Holy spirit

>>12024513
actually there's an argument to be made that the only god is adonai or god the father. that's most likely how the authors of the synoptics and paul conceptualized it

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>>12024531
you are a glutton for punishment.
*sip*

but you got chutzpah kid.

Your fortune: ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!

>>12024554
i can't help it, it's such an interesting topic to me. i actually spend probably a few hours every day learning about early christianity and judaism. right now i'm reading through the book of the watchers so i can better comment on the effects of apocalyptic judaism on early christianity

>>12024531
the synoptic gospels potray Jesus Christ as God Matthew 14:33 Matthew 1:23 Matthew 9:2-6 Mark 2:5-7 Mark 1:1 Mark 14:61-62 Luke 1:35 Luke 5:20-21 Luke 22:70 and paul literally writes stuff like Philippians 2:5-8 sayig "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant,being made in human likeness. And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!"

>>12024565
do you know about metatron or 'the little adonai'?

>>12024578
do u wanna acknowledge my post completely destryoing your claim

>>12024563
kudos.

imagine if more people read books.

zomg.

like the wars might end and a new renaissance might happen.

*sip*

Your fortune: Good Luck

>>12024578
How do you always get roped into these arguments, holy fuck, learn when to step away.

>>12024579
one thing at a time, do you understand who metatron was in apocalyptic judaism?

>>12024586
but the topic is so interesting to me

>>12024586
they're in every Bible thread though

>>12024587
i made points using bible verses and it seems like your ignoring it because you cant say anything back so your trying to change the topic

>>12024584
I know you like to roleplay as an intellectual, but the way you constantly cherry pick what to believe is truly telling.

>>12024597
i'm explaining to you what those verses are actually referring to. i really wish you would engage with my answers to your arguments so we could have actual conversations about the bible and the intentions of the people who wrote it

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>>12024603
cherry pick deeze nuts bitch.

i'm contributing. (pic related)

first time i ever heard of metatron.
*sip*

books are good and not bad.

>>12024620
forgot fortune

Your fortune: Godly Luck

>>12024620
if you read the bible u would see that Jesus claimed to be God because even a ten year old can read the gospels and understand Jesus claimed to be God

>>12024651
a 10 year old today does have the context of the time and place where the gospels were written. they live in a world that's been shaped by the church for thousands of years. appealing to their reading is anti intellectualism

>>12024663
i agree, we should go back to correcting bratty kids.

Christianity is dying in the west and thriving in sub-Saharan African countries xcD

>>12024651
answer question:

herod was afraid people would think jesus was the risen (resurrected) john the baptist.

now ANSWER THIS QUESTION:
how could herod know anything about the resurrection when jesus had not yet revealed it?

i humbly await your answer your scholarship, keen insight and oh so unassailable integrity.

answer question or never replied to me again please.

We should all go back islam ^_^

Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

>>12024723
yeah, there is no god but God, makes sense to me

>>12024717
what does that have to do with Jesus claiming to be God

>>12024717
do you have a source for herod being afraid that people would think that jesus was the resurrected john the baptist?

>>12024725
*takes notes*
*anon answers question with question*

when i find you and i will find you– you're going to be very sorry that you did not comply with my reasonable request.

*sip*

Your fortune: Better not tell you now

uuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh


Hhhhhh
Hhh
Hhh


Hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......................

>>12024805
why do you change the topic instantly and refuse to answer anything involving Jesus claiming to be God

>>12024471
>is the truth
who are you trying to convince me or you?

>>12024813
u

>>12024802
Mark 6:14

14 And king Herod heard of him; (for his name was spread abroad:) and he said, That John the Baptist was risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.

Mark 6:20
For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly.

chop chop

herod feared many things.

Your fortune: Bad Luck

>>12024471
you're going to hell because you're a pedophile

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>>12024829
get peed on loser

>>12024828
oh. that isn't herod knowing about the resurrection, he's afraid that jesus could be john the baptist come back from the dead because he was from the same area and preached a similar message to john

>>12024808
i told you never reply again.
answer the question or suffer my surely approaching wrath.
replete with copious amounts of your very own nociception.

Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ

>>12024838
you just shit the bed

Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ

>>12024723
>>12024788
>>12024813
Idk what the true religion is but there is a God.

>>12024471
Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds. The Beneficent, the Merciful. Master of the Day of Judgement. Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_the_Innocents

Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

>>12024490
>>12024513
The Bible is one God, the exact same God as the other two books.

>>12024870
no because the quaran says over and over that Jesus isnt God but the eyewitnesses who wrote the new testament insisted that Jesus claimed to be God and the tanakh is just the old testament which propheiszies Jesus in Isiah and potrays him as God

>>12024886
Believe it or not, the Quran is just as truthful as the Bible.

>>12024862
What the hell is this shit

>>12024889
the quran and the bible cant be true at the same time

>>12024890
People get a little hyper here

>>12024891
Neither one is false, let's just say that. Men can go to heaven for believing in Islam as well as Christianity.

>>12024899
the bible and quran have conflicting truth claims like one of the biggest being the bible says Jesus Christ is God and the only way to heaven and the quran says Jesus Christ is not God and not the way to heaven so how can both be true at the same time

>>12024899
are you yoruba

and still no one has answered.

how could herod know anything about the resurrection of the dead when Jesus had not yet revealed it?

perhaps that's why Jesus called him "that fox".

mmm...

that's crazy.

'nother schizospazm....

mmm.....

now please turn my brain into ceviche with Thorazine®

Your fortune: Reply hazy, try again

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>>12024912

>>12024905
The Quran states that Jesus Christ was a prophet of God, don't forget that. It also says that those who keep up the good of the Injeel (The Bible) are granted spots in Jannah, so according to the Quran, you can go to heaven as a Christian.

>>12024911
I am not from Africa, no. Nor am I a Muslim, just a male believer in God.

>>12024917
a prophet of God and being God are to completely different things and you still havetn answered my question. its impossible for the quran and bible to be true at the same time because of the conflicting truth claims

>>12024915
the answer is simple, self evident and easily discernable from the text.
*sip*

i'll give you one more chance to answer before you burn up like ash in your own dirty looks.
*sip*

Your fortune: Average Luck

>>12024938
Both are true because neither is more functional than the other at making men across the world act goodly. The inherent truth in both of them is not whether or not Jesus is God, but the principles they teach.

Your fortune: Good Luck

>>12024965
they teach different principals too the quran and bible cant be both true at the same time one has to be wrong or they both have to be wrong i dont know why this is so hard for you to understand or maybe you do understand and are denying logic becaus of some intellectual reasons

>>12024971
>they both have to be wrong
They don't. God gave us his knowledge in different forms. Both books contain the wisdom of God. Neither has to one-up the other.

>>12024983
why then do they also contain contradictory statements among God's wisdom, why would He allow messengers to distort truth like that

>>12024989
Because those were specific commandments for the people who received the message, I guess? I don't know everything

>>12024915
TOO SLOW!

"There are nine individuals in the Bible presented as being raised from the dead. Of these miraculous resurrections, three occur in the Old Testament. At least three individuals were raised from the dead by Jesus. Both Peter and Paul raised a person from the dead and most importantly of all, Jesus himself was resurrected."

so you have precedent even in the old testament.

your cold shoulder won't be forgotten.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wKY_Bh53YDE&pp=ygUPdGhlIHdhbGwga2Fuc2Fz

Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail

Jesus is Lord

Your fortune: Good Luck

>>12024870
Don't know much about about those books, huh? Here is a small list of names... apologists say it is different names for the same god, but they are believers who don't know the facts or are lying.
https://www.bartehrman.com/names-of-god/

>>12025007
>Don't know much about about those books, huh?
A daring presumption. I have both in my library
as for what you're trying to prove with the names of God, I assume you think that it means different Gods. Which is anyone knowing is untrue

>>12025016
i think el and adonai were obviously different gods that were conflated around the year 700bce, and you can see evidence of books like genesis being edited to replace el or elyon with adonai

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he really was just some jew

you need to learn autognosis

consider the implications of the historical Jesus Christ
being a jew that doesn't suck is worth of millenia of veneration

>>12024471
Slurp Christ cum ebery day ^-.^

windex is the blood of christ

>>12025443
why do you keep mocking me

on christmas i had to return one of the presents i was given, so today i got myself an sbl study bible as a make-up gift. it will be here next week and i'm excited for it

>>12025459
i hope u read it and realize Jesus Christ is claiming to be God in the gospels and the old testament proves the messiah is God

>>12025463
lole nah the sbl is a secular study bible so it doesn't make any theological claims

>>12025468
im saying just the scriptures itself claim those things

>>12025469
it doesn't, but i know you aren't interested in learning about how you're wrong

>>12025469
You need to go back to school

>>12025459
Do your parents support your identity?
Do you think they believe your obsession with the bible will lead you to change?

>>12025474
mhm !!! my parents are very supportive. they aren't as interested in the bible as i am lole

>>12025471
it does its clear as day Jesus Christ claims to be God in the gospels and clear as day in the old testament the messiah is prophetiszed as God too and anytime i bring scripture out to prove it you ignore it

>>12025477
you're a troll, no one is going to engage with you on this point because they know that you aren't going to listen

>>12025480
yeah convinetly ignore my entire post and dismiss me as a troll becuase u know if u engaged in a discussion with me where i bring up bible scripture you would be proven wrong

>>12025477
The Messiah isn't God, and anyone claiming to be God isn't the Messiah. So no, the Old Testament does not prove Jesus as God in any way. He isn't even descended from the line of King David

Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ

>>12025481
you should namefig so i can filter you

>>12025482
https://youtu.be/yk6Nx-MVLgo

>>12025488
Ask a Jew if the Messiah is God, they will tell you no

>>12025483
Jesus Christ is God i hope you understand that before its too late. you even admitted in John that Jesus claims to be God so idk why you keep freaking out when someone says Jesus Christ is God

>>12025476
Well, that's good to hear.

>>12025488
And before you say something antisemitic the Old Testament is written for Jews, not Christians

>>12025490
look at the bible honestly and see if the messiah is divine because the bible says the messiah is God

>>12025488
you don't understand apocalyptic judaism, why would i trust you on any matter relating to it?

>>12025497
you didnt even watch the video which just shows you dont wanna believe it in the slightest even when he explains the bible potraying the messiah as divine clear as day

>>12025491
i'm fine with you saying 'i think that jesus is god.' that's a theological claim and i'm not interested in changing your religious beliefs. what i have problems with, is your insistence that jesus called himself god because that is simply not a historical fact

>>12025501
you make me want to scream with how little you understand about the religion you claim to believe in

>>12025502
the gospels are historical knowledge and in the gospels Jesus Christ claims to be God. wanna see lots of scriptiure showing it?

>>12025496
We weren't talking about the New Testament.

>>12025511
yeah im talking about the old testament

>>12025511
you should reconsider engaging with this person. they're a troll who will never engage with your arguments in good faith

>>12025512
Then you have no idea what you are talking about because the Messiah is clearly stated to be a king appointed by God and not God Himself

>>12025515
the old testament says the messiah is God just watch the 4 minute video

>>12025519
I did and it does not provide any proof at all
>>12025514
Definitely reconsidering.

Your fortune: ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!

>>12025519
that video is just them misunderstanding the apocalyptic understanding of the son of man and messiah as authorized bearers of the divine name like metatron and the angel of the lord

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You faggots all fucking suck ass oh my god I fucking hate you all

the doremi proselytizer needs to end from this board

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>>12025519
This is u

>>12025569
>this board
*this world

ftfy

>>12025569
i want to agree, because they're really annoying, but if these threads go away then i won't be able to connect with anones who actually want to have productive conversations about the academic study of the bible which is a big interest of mine

All doremifags must fucking hang
But especially this one

Your fortune: You will meet a dark handsome stranger

>>12025581
KILL MATTHEW KENNEDY

>>12025578
why dont you just make your own threads

>>12025598
it feels wrong making such a self-serving thread because i know most people on this board aren't interested in the bible from an academic perspective

>>12025606
As someone who is interested in religion, your threads would be a welcome addition to the catalogue, especially as an alternative to these threads

Your fortune: You will meet a dark handsome stranger

>>12025624
maybe i'll make one tomorrow. i'm currently reading through the book of the watchers, so i have a lot of say about enochic traditions like the son of man

>>12025581
no only this one. and especially this one.

>>12025587
No idea what this means but oki

>>12025007
so how to fact check your information to make sure it's the truth then?

>>12026525
God here, crudehumour is going to hell for his shitty threads

>>12026531
you're going to hell for your shitty unfunny cancerous redditor nigger threads? well duh of course xD keep malding while crudehumour annihilates you LOL

>>12026531
just raped ur nigger mother and your braindead nigger sister's anus LOL keep malding you cancerous redditor nigger with your shitty boring threads xd

>>12026553
>>12026551
If you keep talking to me like that you can just tell your mother and sister to delete my phone number

>>12026551
>redditor
>xD

>>12024833
holy water... must drimk

>>12025509
Yes please post the link and the funny numbers for him

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>>12025722
dubs

Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

>>12026560
I just raped ur nigger mother you redditor nigger? well obviously LOL xD
>>12026585
you fucking /pol/utant redditor nigger tourist u mad u newfag redditor? yikes xD

>>12025444
trips

>>12025007
so how to fact check your information to make sure it's the truth then?

Your fortune: Reply hazy, try again

my thoughts on le biblel https://youtu.be/sQRD9G1dSZY?si=ESFlOrvOIWNJpRlX

>>12026606
>LOL

>>12027689
You’re an obnoxious schizo loser.

debating religion or theology is such a waste of human intellect and time. it's sad some intelligent people get caught up in this silliness

literally better to debate left vs. right politics all day than this

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I got some Jesus memes.

reddit.com has arrived

>>12027980
ur an obnoxious schizo redditor nigger loser? well duh of course you are, that's why I raped ur nigger mother's anus until it bled xD keep malding nigger ur getting mogged by me :D

Your fortune: Outlook good

I ran out of thread slots

>>12027980
I'm taking a fat dump on your nigger mothers mug

>>12025007
so how to fact check your information to make sure it's the truth then?

Your fortune: Better not tell you now

>>12028782
I ran out of your mom slots

id love to know

Your fortune: Average Luck

>>12030002
Be quiet

>>12030034
be quiet

Your fortune: Good Luck

https://youtu.be/MKBsGfszwu8

>>12030055
No you be quiet
I’m telling mommy

HAVE YOU HEARD

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>>12024471
>Bible - three gods

>>12030916
be quiet

>>12031665
one God 3 persons

>>12025007
so how to fact check your information to make sure it's the truth then?

Your fortune: Better not tell you now

>>12025007
so how to fact check your information to make sure it's the truth then?

Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ

right now i am reading the apocalypse of abraham, and it makes me want to reread ezekiel. thank you for my blogpost

>>12033064
hav u watched this video yet https://youtu.be/DANy4pOjTpo

>>12033071
yes i did, the the first argument it makes completely misunderstands the first century jewish understanding of divinity. this person is clearly not educated on apocalyptic judaism which is the tradition that paul and the authors of the synoptic gospels were a part of

>>12033078
paul? the same guy who wrote phillipians 2:5-8?

>>12033084
being 'in the form of god' does not mean that jesus was god. it just means that he was a divine image of god

>>12033090
oh so Jesus is divine?

>>12033117
you don't understand what that word means

>>12033146
is Jesus divine or is he not

>>12033146
Lowercase do you just enjoy arguing with people or something? I feel like it's pointless to argue with anonymous 4channers, you get nothing out of it.

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>>12033156
I can't find a cool meme to represent this so I'm gonna have to post this cringe boomer one, sorry.

>>12033146
And you always say stuff like "you don't understand this", "you don't have the authority to speak on this", yada yada. Why do you have to be so insulting to people?

>>12033165
this person is a troll, why would i engage with them more than i need to? i didn't want to start an argument, so i left it with that statement

>>12033284
you didnt wanna lose another argument*

>>12033290
no one enjoys when i argue. no one changes their mind because of an argument on the internet, so i'm better off saying 'you don't understand what you're talking to, i'm not engaging with you anymore' and leaving

>>12033295
if you ever provided legitiment points and evidence that says Jesus never claimed to be God i would change my mind but whenever i give you legitiment points and evidence that Jesus claimed to be God you just ragequit and throw a fit so i think your the stubborn one who refuses to change their mind

>>12033298
you don't understand what you're talking about, i'm not engaging with you anymore, bye

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>>12033284
>this person is a troll, why would i engage with them more than i need to?
You say the same thing to everybody though. You say it to me, Catfish, etc. I'm not a "troll".

>>12033303
see? ragequitting and throwing a fit just like i said

>>12033305
those are about topics that you just don't understand. i could spend 2 hours defining terms and walking you through my logic, but that would be pointless and annoying for everyone involved. why is everyone on here so desperate for me to argue with them?

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>>12033313
>those are about topics that you just don't understand
I've dated trans girls, been friends with trans people in real life and online and spoken to them at length. Just because I didn't take a university course in gender studies doesn't mean I don't have the authority to speak on gender and trans issues. You said it when I brought up the Ainu too. I don't have to be an Hokkaido native to talk about them.

>>12033313
>why is everyone on here so desperate for me to argue with them?
I've been here forever and I've been in the position you've been in, as the board hatesink, and I can say with authority that the only reason you're arguing here constantly is that you seek it out.

>>12033324
mattress how many times have i told you that thing about the ainu was a joke. anyway i'm not saying that you can't talk about trans people or whatever, but when i'm talking about the subject we don't have the same shared understanding of the words we're using. when i refer to a concept in gender theory, i don't want to have to spend half an hour going through a 101 lecture on the topic before continuing the conversation. i'm sure there are subjects that you're knowledgeable about that you would feel similarly if we ever spoke about it

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All of you niggers suck I fucking hate you all

>>12033333
Quints!

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>>12033329
>mattress how many times have i told you that thing about the ainu was a joke
You keep saying that but I don't believe you. It fits in perfectly with the rest of your leftist rhetoric so I don't see how it was a "joke" at all, much less how I could somehow read it as a "joke"
>when i refer to a concept in gender theory, i don't want to have to spend half an hour going through a 101 lecture on the topic before continuing the conversation. i'm sure there are subjects that you're knowledgeable about that you would feel similarly if we ever spoke about it
You're poisoned by too much pointless navel-gazing academia and theory. Just be gay and shut up about it.

>>12033335
Thanks babe

>>12033339
i do shut up about it !!! i only talk about being trans when someone else attacks me for it

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>>12033340

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>>12033345
You mean like that time I "attacked" you by accidentally calling you "she" while I was stoned out of my gourd and awake for 2 days? You need to either toughen up a bit or stop picking fights.

>>12033350
again, and for the last time. i was not upset about being misgendered, that happens all the time on this board. i was upset by the insistence that i shouldn't ask for the same basic respect as is afforded to everyone else on this board

>>12033354
i've explained this so many times i can only assume that you are purposefully misunderstanding to make me seem irrational

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>>12033354
I've given you the respect. I call you they/them now because I'm a polite and considerate man. If you're looking for "respect" though, 4chan is the wrong place and is not for you.

>>12033358
thank you for that. really i was most upset with the other anone who was in the thread (something i've also mentioned again and again.) i'm not looking for a ton of respect, i just want the same respect that is afforded to everyone else on the board, the absolute bare minimum necessary for human interaction

>>12033358
why do you bother trying to reason with smacktards
>>12033355
dubs

Your fortune: Average Luck

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>>12033362
>i just want the same respect that is afforded to everyone else on the board, the absolute bare minimum necessary for human interaction
Not everyone subscribes to your gender identity, or has to accept it. That's policing language and will never fly on an anonymous lion's den like 4chan. Your gender is your business, not everyone elses. If someone using the wrong word is enough to shatter it completely, then the identity can't be that strong in the first place either.

>>12033369
okay, i'm not talking to you anymore

>>12033368
>why do you bother trying to reason with smacktards
I actually like lowercase and think they're a decent person and want to get through their thick skull so they can stop being a bullying target here.

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>>12033372
The truth hurts, doesn't it? Sorry.

>>12033375
no i'm just not going to argue because no one likes it when people on here argue

>>12033376
because you lose every argument*

>>12033379
no one changes their mind based on arguments online https://academic.oup.com/aristotelian/article/123/2/173/7207975?login=false

>>12033383
ive changed plenty of peoples minds doe

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>>12033376
Stop doing it every single day then? I had to trash you for calling someone "wrong" about their Japanese romanisation the other day when they weren't wrong at all. You'll find anything at all to take issue and grievance with and talk down to people about, that's why you're getting into fights constantly. I said to you once "learn when to shut up", that's not being disrespectful, everybody needs to know when to shut up.

>>12033393
i was correcting them because i thought it would be silly. and then someone showed me that i was wrong, and then i say 'oh, i'm sorry,' and then we both went our separate ways. that wasn't an argument, it was just a conversation

>>12033354
>r the same basic respect as is afforded to everyone else on this board
nobody else on this board cry for getting their (plural you know) pronouns.

>>12033376
nopes..... nobody here like this imposed fake "niceness" to entitled people like you.... and neither the opposite side

>>12033398
It's one thing being amongst close friends and having them misgender you, that's probably disrespectful, but it's another thing to expect not to be misgendered on a public forum known as the "internet hate machine" of all places.

>>12033413
i think wanting to be called out by "they" its even a step forward.
at this point since we are here it gotta be trolling, IT MUST BE.

WTF HOW DO I END UP HERE LOL

>>12033455
two same numbers!

i understand why you all hate him now

i'll post the same analogy again. when he gets checkmated, he's just like a noob otb who's like can i move this, this, this? and after he's exhausted all possible moves then just stops posting

>>12033393
First of all, you were wrong, it depends on the system of romaji.

>>12033393
>>12033413
>>12033445
>>12033527
Second of all, and this applies to everyone, I think Catfish said it best, when he called them young and opinionated, unable to accept that their ideas might be flawed.

>>12033555
Full House!

>>12033555
The individual to whom you refer has a penis and testicles between his legs, therefore he is man

>>12033584
Why should I care what is between their legs, as long as they are not infringing on anyone's rights.

Two things you should never talk about, politics and religion

>>12033605
why you should care about the pronouns? they for a single person sounds odd whatever you acknowledge or not

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Jarvis, kill the thread.

>>12033634
What?
They is used when you talk about an anonymous individual or group.
This is standard in the English language.
This isn't even tranny related, just basic grammer.

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>>12033651
grammar*

>>12033656
Thanks