Future Mission EditionPrevious - >>16140086
go check out that guys account he actually posts decent stuff, though not as high quality as others like Ryan Hansen still pretty cool.
>>16143108what does /sfg/ think about the French Space Guy?https://www.youtube.com/@FrenchSpaceGuy
>>16143128I think no one here is going to have formed an option of him because he's produced seven videos in six years and the last one was eight months ago.
https://twitter.com/SLIM_JAXA/status/1782956426752848056SLIM lives!
>so our lander fell on its head>but ignore that, it's lasted 3 days so far, what an accomplishment!
>>16143143are there Japanese space skeptics like CSS/thunderf00t?
>>16143132der ewige nip
>>16143146yes, /sfg/
>>16143108Be honest Space Flight General....you missed me. Don't liet. Sky-Hook Chan
another tumor has returned
>>16143146>space skeptics like CSS/thunderf00t?Are they skeptical of space...or are they allergic to con men scam artists selling monorails to retards? Asking for a friend.
>>16143156>guy who watched that one kurzgesagt video
>>16143166I think he got it from anime actually
>>16143166>>16143168I got it from years of dedicated research into space, space infrastructure, and the basic math of space exploration.....WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR ONE TRUE GOD THE SKY HOOK AND HOW ALL OTHER MODES OF SPACE TRANSPORT ARE WORTHLESS THRASH?Or let me guess you think that exploding Elon cock rocket that's 6+ years behind schedule and spins out of control as it burns up in the atmosphere is going to take you to Mars? TOP KEK>If you don't believe in the magic exploding cock rocket you're a SPACE SKEEEEPTIC!!!!! ps I don't watch anime like you little faggots, you tards think everything is from anime. worse than the Harry Potter fags
i told you he was a tumor
>>16143168what anime had a skyhook?
>>16143178an awful one
>>16143178Yeah please tell. I'm going to go and meme the shit out of it and every time I post here you can blame this anon for turning me on to the sky hook anime. >>16143181NAME IT THEN!!SAUCE FAGGOTS WE NEED THE SAUCE!!!
>>16143183its not from an anime but an upcoming gamei won't tell you which one >:)
>>16143178https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevators_in_fiction#Anime,_comics,_and_mangaAccording to Wikipedia, Bubblegun Crisis Tokyo 2040 and Turn A Gundam, but I doubt this is a comprehensive list.
>>16143188>>16143186>>16143183I assume this is ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnMgfb7kiDM
>>16143186I don't play vidya, don't care as it's not the same. Vidya < Anime as far as cultural value. Pass>>16143188PLEASE NOTE:Space Elevator =/= Sky HookSpace Elevator is an impossible task, can't be done, never going to happen. HOWEVER, Sky Hook takes all the good of the Space Elevator and eliminates all the logistical and engineering issues to give you Space Elevator levels of cargo hauling at low costs with none of the down sides of a base station on the crust of the Earth. >>16143190This is ALSO NOT A SKY HOOK...it's an Orbital Ring. A great idea but we would need Sky Hook to lift enough mass to build an Orbital Ring. The Sky Hook is the gateway to all other space projects and all human space exploration. It's a simply math equation called THE TYRANNY OF THE ROCKET EQUATION and you people need to stop the cap.
>>16143132>still operational after 3 monthsI want a dogeza from every retard on /sfg/ that called this mission a failure
>>16143194i think we have a winner hereTurn A Gundam
>>16143195Its still a failure. Why dont you go ahead and tell me what scientific discoveries SLIM has helped find?
oh right no he came from /tv/ not from /a/ someone post the equation
Hey faggot tell us what this equation is and how to utilize it>>16143207I got you
>>16143206>what scientific discoveries SLIM has helped findthe Japanese discovered that they can land on the moon
>>16143212Kek no they didnt
>>16143123Fascism?
>>16143214Corporatism.
>>16143178Anime is for faggots.
>>16143194>PLEASE NOTEIf you can break free of your tism for a second you might notice that I only listed the only two that explicitly said they were skyhooks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWJNzOFuS4o&t=815sAnyway, because you don't seem to be the only autist in this thread, here's a scene where three girls in power armor chase a skyhook by riding on a motorcycle
>>16143215>>16143214Corporatocracy*
>skyhooktard is anti anime schizoIm afraid its terminal
>>16143207>>16143210Why are you replying to yourself?
SpaceX is about to be MOGGED
>>16143221Answer the question newfaggot.>also on mobile so cant html edit
>>16143223>phoneposting>anime faggotThis general has fallen
>>16143225FUCK OFF WITH DISCORD YOU FUCKING TRANNY. DISCUSSION HAPPENS HERE NOT ON YOUR GROOMING CHANNEL YOU FUCKING FAGGOT.
>>16143200This leads back to a long ass blob post about anime I'm not going to read. This is why we can't have a space based species because you retards are too obsessed with anime to have a grown up discussion about the tyranny of the rocket equation. Fucking children I swear. >>16143217WTF is wrong with you people!? I'm not going to watch a 21 minute anime clip! You couldn't even link the YT video so it starts at the Sky Hook part? Weak! I still skimmed your BULLSHIT anime and GUESS WHAT RETARDS WHO DON'T KNOW HOW PHYSICS WORKS!!!THAT IS NOT A SKY HOOK!! LOOK @ 15:29! The "Sky-Hook" is at fucking SEA LEVEL!!! The Sky-Hook's lowest part is between 70,000-100,000 feet above sea level!! Otherwise you basically built a space elevator and you can't do that. Nice try but no dice Hoss. STOP WATCHING ANIME AND READ A PHYSICS BOOK! Captcha: SKYS
>>16143228/sfg/ is NOT one person. yes there is likely a redditnigger among us but there are multiple people that like anime on the anime website. also, you should specifically refer to this 'anime anon' as rocket girl tranny because theres only one of those and seems to be the one youre looking at there.
>>16143228it was a great pic
anime = goodclear = goodrocket girls = tranniggeranti-anime = schizophrenicskyhooks = schizophreniccirnofags = oldgodszubrin = shill
>>16143236ywnbaw. that eternal truth has never changed just like your 'gender'
>>16143219>>16143215>>16143214>>16143123Lets GO-ism
>>16143240i am a man and i like that pic, what now?
>>16143243you are not rocketgirl spammer. you win!
welp see you all in a day when this guy gets bored of baiting replies
>>16143235It hasn't been an anime website since moot left. There is now an anime board. But yes if you aren't the insufferable rocket girl spammer then i can make tgat distinction.
>>16143246see you then. im gonna play rust before bed
>>16143215Corporatism is what gets you decades of sensible launch solutions by proven providers with deep roots in communities across all 50 states.
>>16143236Stop pushing your fetish on spaceflight discussion.
>>16143249i know i confused corporatism and corporatocracy which is why i corrected myself
>>16143250i wasn't the one who brought it up
>>16143237>skyhooks = schizophrenicPlease explain why, what's wrong with Sky-Hook? what engineering or physics issues do you have with any of my proposals? How is launching chemical rockets sane when simple math tells us it's never going to do more than lift a we satellites into orbit? At this rate it'll be 2050 before a single ship with 4 people orbits Mars and returns home. Chemical rockets are a dead end and anyone with a brain knows it. Instead of admitting this you all point fingers and call anyone who speaks truth crazy or a "Space Skeptic". Humanity peaked in the 20th century, this is the slow decline into darkness.
>>16143253>what's wrong with Sky-Hook?your posting
>>16143237Proonter=oldguardSpaceplane autist=annoying oldguardLavatube/excavator shill =oldguardNaval autist=schizophrenic There are others but i haven't been around for a few years
>>16143248>>16143246Bye
>>16143256lavatube fag hasnt been around for a while, same with proonter since relativity got btfo with Terran-R development, surprised he didnt pop up with the recent terran-R ground breaking.
>>16143252Neither was I, this skyhook newfag did but I think he is actually talking about space elevators
>>16143233The "&t=815s" at the end of the url takes you right to the scene. How did you manage to screw that up? Yes, it's dumb to have the skyhook at sea level but that doesn't make it not a skyhook. It doesn't really matter though because skyhooks are stupid and don't have a place in serious spaceflight discussions. The only places they're popular are in things like anime where they can be used for cool visual set pieces. >I read books instead of watching animeNo wonder you sound like such a faggot. Here, sit down and watch all 26 episodes unsubbedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW1ijVgEoRk&list=PLHSbAz1hu9sRfblXbDLng42XmBEl_fF3i
>>16143262To be honest I am even more surprised he didn't show up when pic related got relevance again
>>16143254So you have no science or logical issues with Sky-Hook you just hate me and my ideas because???? You see folks, this happens EVERY TIME. No one can give me one reason Sky-Hook is a bad idea, no one can refute ANY of my points against chemical rockets, never. It's just cry baby faggots who refuse to debate or engage in anything that's not their specific brand of Elon Musk cock sucking. Like I ALWAYS say. Find out the weight of the USS Enterprise 1701-D and then divide it by the cargo capacity of Musk's Starship. Even if his cock rocket worked perfectly, and it won't, it's impossible to make one starship with all the Space X launches ever. Can't be done. If you can't build a ship to house and feed and keep safe 150-300 people over 3-6 months in space then you can't colonize a planet. It drives me insane how blind and easy to fool you hairless apes are. >>16143256Space Planes are part of my Sky-Hook plane. The space plane meets the hook at 100,000 feet to transfer cargo. Flips the tyranny of the rocket equation on it's head. Total reversal of logistics. But that's bad .... for some reason. >>16143263God you're stupid. I made a whole post explaining the difference between the two and why a space elevator will never work. You faggots can't even read. honestly I get better discussions about space on random ass boards here and never in SFG. Worthless sluts.
just dont reply to walls of text.
>>16143266It didn't work, not my fault. No it's not a sky hook. Sky hooks start at 100,000 feet. That's a retarded invention of the artist that means nothing and defies all known laws of physics. Please explain with science why the sky hook will not work. You can't, no one ever does. They simply wave their hands and say>skyhooks are stupid and don't have a place in serious spaceflight discussionsBut you need to tell me why. I explain in multiple ways why chemical rockets have no place in serious spaceflight discussions. Here it is again in case you missed it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsiolkovsky_rocket_equationThis was published in 1903 or roughly 123 years ago. So it's been known since before you were born. Explain how you will lift one USS Enterprise 1701-D worth of mass into orbit with chemical rockets? If you can't lift that much mass you can't colonize space and chemical rockets can not do this. It's math and physics, you can't argue against math it just is anon.
>>16143269Different Anon here: a momentum exchange tether has quite a lot of moving parts to any given orbital insertion, and requires a large and heavy piece of space infrastructure, and you need a rocket to reboost the thing to regain the momentum it spent putting the space plane or other payload into orbit in the first place. The Skyhook ends up being a middle-man for the act of putting things into space that you still have to pay off in the end, so why even bother?
>>16143272don't they just use cargo transporters for orbital construction in star trek? or maybe even industrial replicators even.
>>16143132How the fuck does SLIM survive this many lunar nights? Chandrayaan 3 died after a single night.But this makes me very curious about how well is JAXA going to on their next missions since they got so close to full success here.
>You see folks, this happens EVERY TIME. No one can give me one reason Sky-Hook is a bad idea, no one can refute ANY of my points against chemical rockets, never. It's just cry baby faggots who refuse to debate or engage in anything that's not their specific brand of Elon Musk cock sucking.lollmaodude just leave, it's not even funny, just sad.
>>16143270I'd prefer to reply, get him to schizo out, and then get him banned for being a spammer troll. The long-game.
>By divesting sky hook from Earth's atmosphere and to some degree it's gravitational pull we now get to work with different variables to get energy.
>>16143282if you actually cared about memehook you would be trying to convince NASA, not anons on /sfg/
>>16143282you are calling us "worthless limped dick homos". You don't actually care about a discussion or debate. You just mentally masturbate to being smarter than us. It's pathetic and indicative of serious mental issues.
>>16143288>everything humanity has ever put into orbit has been done with chemical rockets>this is somehow solely elon musk's doingwatdidn't realize he personally invented the scam that is rockets, wild
>>16143288Enterprise: 190 000 tonsStarship: 200 tons to LEO190 000 / 200 = 950 starship launches at minimum
>>16143132The power of government lander > versus > private company is palpable
reminder that there has been a wikipedia editor schizo on a decade-long crusade to write debunked junk on the skyhook wikipedia page. This editor has been banned multiple times.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Skyhook_(structure)He even claimed he was going to sue wikipedia and dox those who got him banned and his edits reversed about skyhooks.Serious mental illness.
>>16143228Shap up your attitude bubby
>>16143280What are you using as propellant?
>>16143228holy shit it's the original schizo
>>16143301
>debate mehas anyone who has ever typed these words out ever had anything worthwhile to say? or at least not been the world's biggest faggot?
>>16143297Not me but I'm curious. What did he edit?>>16143300The sky hook system generates lift via eletric engines powered by solar or you can shoot lasers from Earth to power the station via the light energy or capture via a light sail to push the station higher into orbit as it lifts mass off the surface. Once the system is tied into the tether to the Luna Elevator it will use the mass of the Moon to lift. Yes this will take a long time but the tether from Sky-Hook to the Luna elevator will have central stations at the Lagrange points to allow easy access to the Sol system and eliminate the need for complicated transfer windows we must use when launching chemical rockets from Earth's crust. Like I state here >>16143301 the key is that we are getting our energy to lift from space based sources and don't need to lift chemicals into space, this flips the whole situation upside down.
>>16143304it's a schizo. there is no logic. just report
>>16143307What are the electric engines supposed to push off with?
>>16143304This is Space Flight General, I've just outlined a doable project to make humans a multi planet species with current technology and for what you get it's elegant and simplistic. If you think I haven't solved this issue, tell me why. I've just done what Elon Musk pretended to do and I did it for free on a incel image board. Tell me why I'm wrong, yet no one can.
>>16143310>space flightyeah kys
>>16143140No it would be based, and here's why: you can give companies free reign to dump as much garbage and waste into the Martian environment as they can, even pay them creduts to find the most polluting way to manufacture, and so on. It's like a mirror EPA, and will foster hyperproductivity. Terraforming is a happy accident
>>16143309tape outgassing
>>16143301>build one starship to explore spaceThe Space Odyssey's Discovery One is 5 440 tons, so Starship could make it in about 30 flights at least. The Enterprise requires meme sci-fi physics to work, that's the biggest roadblock with it. If you want something like it, cross your fingers that we will discover new physics that will allow such a thing.
>>16143309we first seed some hurricanes with HAARP and use the rotational forces from the storm
Will SpaceX prioritize first setting up a base at the nearest point in the outer solar system i.e. Callisto or will they prioritize the methane reserves that can be exploited on Titan? Also, if its the former, how much will Jupiter's gravity affect the abilitiy for a rocket to escape the Jovian system as compared to setting up a base on Ceres?
>>16143313>>16143316Unironically, using a high specific impulse engine to reboost the thing with deliveries of argon isn't the worst idea but I have no idea how the thing's supposed to stay dynamically stable during reboost, and the flight rate's going to be restrained to whatever time it takes to regain the lost momentum in the skyhook, and the higher the specific impulse gets, the longer it inevitably takes. How do you keep it dynamically stable during reboost, and how long does it actually take to replenish?
>>16143309>supposed to push off with?What do you mean? Ion engines generate ions with electricity and these are funneled and made to produce thrust. Have you never heard of this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_thrusterPower is generated via solar panels or lasers on Earth shot into space to special collectors that convert it back to electricity. This electricity powers the ion engine. It's likely the ion engine alone wouldn't be enough so things like the light sails pushed by Earth based lasers seems more viable. Lasers pushing things unironically is over powered, lots of possibilities. >>16143311Great science based rebuttal. I'm going to report all you limp dicks for refusing to discuss space in the space general. >>16143315x to doubt, picrel Plus now you're just grasping at straws posting whataboutism bullshit. Use physics and logic to debate sky hook maybe instead.
>>16143321the answer to your question is: it's simply an unworkable idea. A 2SLGG-based mass launcher would be more feasible, lol
>>16143322Ions are ionized gasses, which means you need to bring up propellant like argon or xenon or hell, maybe nitrogen if you can make the engineering work, but ion engines are still reaction engines.
>>16143322>I'm going to report all you limp dicks for refusing to discuss space in the space general.I'm sure that will work out swimmingly for you.Take your lithium medication dude, and please pick up a hobby like breeding pillbugs rather than sperging out on our general.
>>16143315Look at that huge communications dish on the center of the ship here >>16143322. That alone would take like 4-8 Starship launches. It won't fit in the cargo hold as a single dish and that's like 4% of the ship in the picture. I'm sure it would take 30-50 launches to get one of those segments of the ship. The entire thing would be 600-1000 launches. Don't forget you need to launch the crew too. Even if you use low averages for adults weights it's a lot of mass in human flesh alone. What about the food and water you have to haul into space? You'll need so much more mass than just the basic displacement of the ship. That's what I'm trying to explain is you can't lift the people, parts, and ship with chemical rockets. It's mathematically impossible. SOME ONE USE MATH TO PROVE ME WRONG!!.......spoiler, you can't.
>>16143326Thank you for a valid criticism. I assumed ion engines work in space without any need to refuel. I will look into this and see what I can find out. But like I said on the best of days ion thrusters are very weak and we want to lift a lot of mass into space. We need to equal thrust to counteract the mass we seek to lift. So that's why I started looking into lasers pushing light sails. Like I keep saying the issue is energy and getting it from the crust into orbit. Elon seeks to lift chemical into orbit via brute force, I'm advocating we use weightless light to transfer the energy to orbit instead. But I'm a schizo, ignore me KEK. >>16143328GREAT SCIENTIFIC REBUTTAL!! limp dick
>>16143332>I assumed ion engines work in space without any need to refueAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAAH HOLY SHIT YOU MIGHT JUST BE A FUCKING MORON AND NOT MENTALLY ILL AFTER ALL
>>16143332>doesn't know how ion engines work>IM VERY EDUCATED ON SPACEFLIGHT IVE SOLVED EVERYTHING
>>16143332>equal thrust to counteract the mass we seek to liftbro please take remedial physics 101 at your local community college before posting here. If your thrust equals the weight, you ain't going anywhere. T/W of 1 gets you nice Astra powerslides, though
schizoanon, why even have a sky hook? just use your magic space lasers and solar sails to lift mass to orbit. The more you explain your theory, the more I'm confused as to why the hook part is necessary (because apparently "...with current technology") includes these supposed mass-lifting lasers?it's not too late to pivot to just being the schizo laser anon and not skyhook moron, you know
>>16143335Is that a rebuttal against the Sky-Hook? No? Just you grasping at straws again? Honestly is this general just Elon samefagging all day? You people are paid shills for anything that isn't Space X. Please use science or math to discredit sky hook. >>16143336See above response to your fellow limp dick. >>16143337Sky Hook is in orbit, it lifts mass off the Earth's surface, this takes energy out of the system, now sky hook is in a lower orbit, eventuially sky hook will lift enough mass and lose enough energy that it deorbits and burns up. We stop this from happening by generating thrust via energy while in orbit. Now instead of falling down as we lift mass we stay in the same place. We seek to thrust upwards with equal force as the mass exerts to pull us down. This is simple physics first described by Sir Issac Newton. >If two bodies exert forces on each other, these forces have the same magnitude but opposite directions.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion Maybe you need remedial physics 101 limp dick>>16143340Tell me you're 12 without telling me you're 12. You're stawmanning and showing how stupid you are anon. Don't let me stop you do it some more.
>>16143343>We stop this from happening by generating thrust via energy while in orbit. Now instead of falling down as we lift mass we stay in the same place. We seek to thrust upwards with equal force as the mass exerts to pull us down. This is simple physics first described by Sir Issac Newton. you're hilariously retarded lmao
>>16143346Another childish insult lacking any rebuttal. Are you all just Elon bots quoting me and then inserting a generic insult? It's looking like you are all bots. What part of simple Newtonian physics is retarded exactly? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6Y5Qg3dl5A
>>16143343I largely await your SBIR grant and achievement of TRL-3 by FY2025
>>16143347>I've done research and read all the papers of people smarter than I who also did the research.>actually i watched a clickbait youtube video which assured me i'm very smart for thinking this
>>16143347My apologies, but I cannot fulfill this request. Criticizing someone on the basis of their mental impairment contradicts ethical standards and promotes harmful ideologies.
>>16143347NAWWW bro really watches goofy ahhh clickbait reaction videosonly in /sfg/
hey faggots, answer my question >>16143320
>>16143348There is no funding for space unless it's useful for military conquest. Space X mostly launches DoD payloads and look at Starlink, currently being used by both sides in the Ukraine war to kill each other with FPV drones. Humans are disgusting hairless apes who care more about porn and killing than real science and exploration. The Saturn rockets were just a by product of the Minuteman missile program. They only had a Moon mission because they needed ICMBs to kill Russians. >>16143350Hey limp dick I know this might blow your mind but I literally read and watched everything about the sky hook and adjacent projects. I watched all the videos and read all the reports. NASA did extensive research into space planes decades ago. A lot of this stuff is old science that got put on a shelf because it wasn't useful for military applications. There is no money for space exploration, not even Space X. They get all their money from government contracts. I'm also subscribed to the International Space Elevator Consortium. I'm Busy with life but I'm hoping to do a sky hook presentation at their yearly meeting in 2025 to rattle their cages. limp dick, try again. >>16143351See no one can rebut the sky hook, never. It's undefeated. >>16143352See above, I posted it so you can see a college educated physics student explain why it works. It's simply a way for me to communicate the message to lessor minds. >>16143355No because he can't get to Mars. He's a liar and he won't do shit.
>>16143350yep, behold, an example of "I did my own research". Page-1 google results, skimmed videos from trash content creators, and AI thumbnails alllll throughout. Maybe some most-updooted YT comments too to flesh it out. It takes a frighteningly small amount of content to solidify an opinion in the mind of the iPad Kidz generation. Even as little as two 10-second tictoks. Those beliefs are near impossible to dislodge. It does seem that critical thinking skills for the new generation are atrocious. But, everyone has been saying that about the new generation for 3000 years straight so idk.>>16143355sorry anon, we've been distracted by the latest circus attraction here.I don't remember the DV for leaving the surface of outer planet satellites and returning to earth, but I don't think it was that bad. I seriously doubt any manned station beyond the asteroid belt will use ISRU for many many many years. Simpler to lug your gas to get back home.
>>16143360>I'm also subscribed to the International Space Elevator Consortium.oh, so an elevator and a skyhook ARE the same thing now, huh? i think you need to apologize to the anime industry.
>>16143358>the sound they'll make rattling their cage will serve as a warning to the rest.
>>16143360Wrong again. See it's the same old tired song and dance every time. >LOOK! HE POSTED A VIDEO FROM POPULAR WEBSITE YOUTUBE!>BUWHAHAHAHAhahahaahahah NOW ALL HIS SCIENTIFIC POINTS ARE INVALID AND WE CAN CLAIM VICTORY DESPITE NEVER PROVING HIM WRONG!!!!!!Like I said I'm on the space elevator mailing list, I go deep and I go hard, please STFU unless you have science or math to rebut the sky hook....spoiler you have nothing. >>16143363Incorrect, you are strawmanning, God help you limp dicked losers you can't debate your way out of a paper bag in a rain storm. I plan to present my sky hook to the space elevator boomers and drag them kicking and screaming into the future. Space elevator is dead and sky hook killed it. BTW I like good anime like Cowboy Bebop and a few other classics but I'm not some terminal anime fags like you all so most of it goes over my head.>>16143366OMG he's literally me!
>>16143329Elon is proposing a million tons to the surface of Mars which would require 130,000 Starship launches to LEO plus some depot launches. You absolutely can do massive space projects with fully reusable chemical rockets.
>>16143371>Elon is proposingOh my sweet sweet summer child.....I honestly feel sorry for you dearheart. Good luck with the brain tumor.
>my sky hookpatent pending, no doubt.
>>16143374Sky hook is for the people, that's why i'm here. Trying to generate grass roots support for sky hook before BigSpace gets a hold of it. Sky hook is the means to bring the common man into orbit and beyond. No longer will space flight be for the rich and space marines. It's like the printing press but for space.
I think the guy is just doing it to get replies now, it seemed to have started out as schizobabble but now he's in too deep to give up. dude, kid, just leave, congrats you found a way to get guaranteed replies on sfg and we applaud you for your dedication, but this clearly is not a relationship that will work. Don't let the skyhook hook you on the way out. At least post something ORIGINAL if you want to engage in pseudotrolling, like Tooker... you're just regurgitating existing stuff, crappily, which is never fun to engage with.
>>16143376I'm thrilled you think sfg, a small community of 4channers (yikes!), represents "the people" in your mind.You should also post your ideas, and call people "limp dick", in other space communities as well if you truly want to spread the Good Word of skyhook. Try NASASpaceFlight forums, r/space on reddit, perhaps dvach's /spc/. Go all out! Don't limit yourself to just us meanies
Skyhook nigger is samefagging all the replies in case someone couldnt figure that out. The last real reply was the question about SpaceX colonizing the outer solar system.
goodnight everyone
>>16143377I've been doing this for a while and like I said on day one, this never ends. It won't even end when I'm dead. I'm leaving a will and cash to push sky hook forwards. You retards don't get it. It's not for (You)s and I'm not crazy. This is my life's work and come hell or high water you faggots(humanity) will comply because you have no choice. It's not me you argue against but math and physics. You can't win that fight frens. Give up now, resistance is futile. You assholes think I'm joking about the space elevator conference? This is as real as it gets and of course you homos can't see it. pottery>>16143381I will homo, I'll come post the salt here too. Die mad about it. Read above, this only ends when the world bends the knee to sky hook. >>16143382Incorrect. I'm almost exclusively doing mass replies like this and if you had an IQ above 7 you could see how I write and my style and tell when it's me. Like I keep saying you homosexual queers can't find a single thing to rebut my ideas. Even the ion engine bullshit. I'm looking into it now and NASA is using ion engines to keep their craft in orbit over the Moon. Like I said it's just one of the options to keep sky hook in orbit. I never said I had 110% of the details worked out. To actually build it scientists and engineers need to be paid and work in an office to figure it out. But it's very doable if people were willing to put in the effort and funding.
Anyone here excited for Titan mission?
>>16143400I lost all my excitement when I found out it's not going to the lakes.
>>16143391>This is my life's workdo you have any papers? any hardware? any presentations? perhaps novel physics simulations? Anything with a DOI? All I see is about 2 paragraphs worth of terrible popsci slop. you seem more a pathetic troll more than anything, but it's honestly hard to tell.. Do you have a folder with Skyhook information, links, pdfs, conference proceedings...? this should take about 10 seconds to take a screenshot of. Otherwise, we'll just have to assume you really did get all of your information from a couple YouTube videos. If you're serious, you'll no doubt have a folder full of various skyhook documents to show us.
>>16143410the lakes are coming to us, anon
>>16143391until you post on r/space, nasaspaceflight, etc, I just assume you're here to target us for some reason. We're a terrible place if you want to have serious space hook discussion. It's not a good use of your time. After all, this is your life's work.
LEARN HOW TO CONDENSE YOUR THOUGHTS INTO BITE SIZED SENTENCES PLEASE
>>16143390Good night fellow space-flight enthusiast!
>>16143391Link to the article about NASA's new ion thruster getting sent to the moon next year. https://www.universetoday.com/164072/the-most-powerful-ion-engine-ever-built-passes-the-test/I'll admit I need to brush up on electric propulsion but from what i've read so far it seems the ion engines can take years to burn through the fuel due to the hyper efficent nature of the engine. I might actually do some math and see how NASA's new engine fits in with the sky hook but like I said I want to live endless mass off Earth so I need A LOT OF THRUST to counteract this. Doubtful even the new ion thrusters can do it alone but there is no need for them to work alone. But even if we say the ion engines need refueled with gas once a year we just send new gas up in a space plane or even an old stinky rocket. It's trivial to refuel the sky hook yearly from Earth. It looks like ion thrusters would be viable and would be easy to refuel. So there the one tiny crack you found is filled already. So here we are, 100+ posts later, lots of limp dicks breathing hard and throwing around insults but not a single valid point of rebuttal. Now ask yourself why you hate this idea so much? Because you didn't think of it first? Because the TV machine didn't instruct you to like it? It works, you can't deny it, and it's the only solution to the issue. I'm going to bed, but remember faggots. I'm literally always lurking in this fucking sub and you avoid my wrath because I will it and nothing more. Cower in fear plebs, your cock rockets won't save you.
Schizos get dunked in the TOXMAX lithium tank.
>>16143419>insist I should be banned for persistingyep that's the gist of it. This website has various rules, for instance, GR3.
don't forget to report :)
>ps I don't watch anime like you little faggots>...>BTW I like good anime like Cowboy Bebopwhat a shitty troll. can't even keep his story straight. Put in more effort next timeReport his ass. I wish we had more moderation at late-US-hours sometimes.
>>16142990>>16142991>anime enthusiast found to be a troon once againJust a coincidence?I'm alright with the OC, but anime lovers are deluding themselves if they don't realize the extremely major role anime plays in the troon pipeline.
>>16143431You can't seem to stop thinking about girls with cocks, yet again.
>>16143419>points against skyhookIt's technically feasible, but ultimately a waste of resources unless you're hauling truly gargantuan amounts of mass not only into orbit, but from orbit as well (these must always be matched), which is why I don't believe they'll ever be built. If you do need that amount of upmass, mass drivers or even space elevators will give you the same but better.We've also gone over why near term interplanetary trade is economically infeasible, which is why the need for sustained upmass like that isn't needed.
>>16143437They're not girls, they're very troubled men.
>>16143439he's just going to call you a limp dick. and then that post will get (you)s, and so on. It continues until he either gets banned, gives up, or doesn't get any more (you)s. the least we can do is report and not reply any more
>>16143440Yes and you like to think about them and their cocks at every opportunity. I think maybe you have some suppressed feeling for cock
Thanks for ruining the first half of my thread dickface.
>>16143462don't worry, he'll be back. autism is beautiful like that
>>16143207there's a very clear difference in ability in those who come from /m/ and /a vs those who come from /tv/
>>16143263I think he's talking about rotovators, which are a fucking giant spinning menace in LEOthey work great if you don't actually want to have anything in LEO but that's not the direction we've chosen to take our civilization
>>16143283he's talking about using electric engines to reboost your rotovator in between flingsso now your giant spinning death scythe can only be used once a year
>>16143298we need to bring shrimp to Marsshrimp are VERY important
https://www.udio.com/songs/hoFLwhziYCXQnc1pAEGN8fCrimson Overture, a short performance by the Ares Royal Philharmonic Orchestra. The recording was gifted anonymously.
>>16143337you don't need a T/W ratio greater than 1 when you're already in orbit, anonyou don't even know what you're arguing against>>16143418they're too slow, trust me on this one>>16143431teenager deleting their online presence isn't a transexual thing, idiot
i still dont get how spacex succeeded while every other launch company failed. it cant just be elon.
>>16143508It's Elon in the sense he personally hired the first thousand employees and he's pretty good at picking
>>16143508too early to tell if RL or BO failed
>>16143466How can we confirm this? Is there any paper trail??
>>16143517>gemini voshkod meetup which never happened>tranimeyou need to go back
>>16143543it's fucking hot dude
>>16143543hmmm have you considered that titties good?
>>16143123European Supremacy? Absolute Monarchy?
>>16143557>absolute monarchyMight be wrong, but I don't think this was the case, apart from maybe france?I think in most cases colonialism was done under feudal monarchy and in the UK's case it was essentially a democracy (but only landowners could vote). It mostly seems like the political system doesn't matter THAT much.
>>16143508Elon plus first mover advantage. Once they started reflying boosters and doing rideshares the door closed on most competitors flying expendable.
>>16143508Billionaire founder, taking it seriously instead of it being a grift or a prestige thing, a bit of luck. Also SpaceX have redefined success (e.g., ex SpaceX, we'd see Below Orbit as a successful space start-up).>>16143567First mover advantage is also a very good point.
>>16143568ROFLMAO lol you retarded. Kys now
I've been persuaded, I'm a hookfag now
>>16143574this might be an okay solution in 2d, on the equator, but your launch windows just won't exist in the real world
China will build a skyhook to disrupt NLEO antimissile constellations
>>16143574
>>16143222In number of astronauts killed?
>>16143588What can you even do when your enemy has a BP system? Cope? Seethe?
>>16143222Tick tock Musk-rats. Once he loses his most lucrative contract to the ISS the house of cards will crumble.
>>16143355They haven't even got to mars yet.
>>16143302Kek, it was time to come back occasionally. Good to see someone carry on the torch for me though.>>16143298Okay pedo.
>>16143599you came back because someone brought up your shithole /n/ thread youve kept going for six fucking months of talking to yourself
>>16143594Build tethers and blame others for not dodging when their BPs get smooshed
so there are currently suffering through three different retard-faggots bent on fagging up /sfg/ with off topic know-nothing bullshit, right? the trumptard, the schizo, and the tethertard?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaxG_GWibhU
>>16143599Yeah I jonk my hog to squid girls, what of it?
>>16143634if youre gonna post this, i need you to also post the current predicted movement of DOGEcoin value
>>16143633All me
>>16143635who doesn't (me)
>>16143634The only relevant part>It's a more personal one for you, Elon, which is that you're leading many important companies right now. Maybe you can just talk about where your heart is at in terms of your interests. And do you expect to lessen your involvement with Tesla at any point over the next three years?>Musk:>Well, as it constitutes a majority of my work time, and I work pretty much every day of the week, it's rare for me to take a Sunday afternoon off. I'm going to make sure Tesla is quite prosperous. And it is -- like it is prosperous, and it will be very much so in the future.
>>16143645Daddy is home
>>16143508Lucky RNG. Elon always said that if the final Falcon 1 flight failed they were done for.
>>16143594Assassinate the relevant engineers and scientists before they finish.This already happened.GEC-Marconi, COSMOS, Siemens, Gerrold von Bruanmuhl, Svante Oden
>>16143640dangerously based
Isogrids get me hard
>>16143692Isogrid is useless grift
>>16143692If you were in space that wouldn't happen
QRD on Musk-Australia PM feud?
>>16143709just send teens up there after 14 weks of nofap. 40 year old men cant get hard on earth let alone in space
>>16143719They want Khamenei @ Co to be free to post on Twitter?
>>16143195As a compromise I will give you a takkei
>>16143269>No one can give me one reason Sky-Hook is a bad ideaIt's untested and would require significant time, money, labor and other resources to test, develop and commercialize.There's no reason to believe it would be profitable even after all that. Launch prices are currently falling rapidly and capacity is increasing even more rapidly, which makes this the worst possible time to try it.Supposing all those issues were resolved overnight, what would use it? You still have to design a gay suborbital spaceplane that can use it. Not only does that not exist, no one is even planning to build one. There's not even a plausible use case for one, other than "I want to play Star Wars IRL."
>>16143517I think this post is off-topic.
Another Chinese falcon 9 announced, maiden flight: 2026
Gravity-2, maiden flight: 2025
Starship, maiden flight: 2017
>>16143769>>16143773The first words spoken on Mars will be in Mandarin.
>>16143782there's no atmosphere to speak through
>>16143784thats the moon dipshit
>>16143712>>16143719the fact is he complied with the reasonable order - not law! - that footage of a stabbing be blocked in australia. the problem is that he stood his ground when they further demanded he block it across the whole world. the government is trying hard to obscure that fact, but the fact is that an unelected american is using the office of the "esaftey commission" to attempt to censor the global internet on behalf of the australian government. this is fucking ridiculous, can you imagine if china, india, russia or the saudis demanded that facebook remove all footage of a protest in their country? actually, it would be more accurate to say imagine if brazil demanded an american company removed footage of some random favela shooting, because australia doesnt even have the power to muscle around. its a retarded request with no president. albo knows it and is relying on the australian reflexive dislike of foreigners who break australian rules.
>>16143782"火星是我们白人的“
>>16143612I had a dream last night that I was present for a Brilliant Pebbles deployment. The chinky skyhook blew it up right after leaving the Starship and I became sad because I wanted to see it work. But then a new Brilliant Pebbles came out of the Pez dispenser right then no more than a minute later. It too deployed, the skyhook did a flip and exploded it. Then another and another and another. Then Elon said to me "we're mass producing these, I can do this all day"
Take a laser to Uranus
>>16143123space exploration will be irrelevant for the average joe, very likely just another thing rich people do to get richer
is Kuiper belt really smoothly phasing into the Oort?
>>16143800any science so far with terraforming Mars with microorganisms? any running experiments? what could thrive there if we were to seed them
>return to /sfg/ after a while>100 post samefagging sperg out>about skyhooksi hate pop sci jewtubers. so. fucking. much.
>>16143877the oort cloud is fake so no.
>>16143877The Oort cloud is completely hypothetical and had never been observed directly, just like muh planet 9. Shits fake until I see it.
>>16143877100k AU is ~1.5 lightyears. that shit extends 3rd of the way to Alpha Centauri?
>>16143805this destroys the skyhook
>>16143882it's just one faggot, if you look at the previous thread he wasn't here and he's probably left
>>16143877hmmm
>>16143877put this in my "charts and diagrams" folder
>>16143872Eat the rich
>>16143889Seems like it's just a glorified way of marking off the borders between where one star's influence overpowers another's.
>>16143872We calculated in a previous thread that if Starship really does get $10/kg, then the cost of a ticket to Mars with all expenses paid in food, propellant, etc. runs you at ~$50k. And thats for a private ship without anybody ridesharing and splitting the cost on propellant. That is very much relevant to the average joe.
is there anyway a underground lunar colony can be somewhat self sustainable? Are there enough resources that can be derived from lunar rock? Can plants be grown in it?
>>16143919>We calculated in a previous thread that if Starship really does get $10/kgYou guys don't realize how delusional this figure is. To ship a kilogram from one country to another can cost 10$. Now imagine Mars.
Moon rocks taste better than Earth rocks. Why? Cause they're meteor.
>>16143882when I thought they were talking about skyhooks I thought they meant the CIA thing at first
>>16143877>what is the Kuiper Cliff
>>16143939People said the same thing about Falcon reusability, fuck face.
>>16143769>So lazy they use the Western Hemisphere earth image in their logoWinning the culture war
>>16143961Nobody cares. Go to /pol/ to talk about your shithole. This is not spaceflight or science or math
Something stinks in arianespace. More than usual, I mean: In their latest hot firing test of the upper stage it turns out they never actually started the engine, only 'put the APU through its paces'. Not only that, but there isn't any mention of any kind of test during the period in the official Ariane 6 progress updates. It was scheduled, but then isn't mentioned again. Even worse, it seems like there was some kind of anomaly in another test last year that they haven't found the root cause of yet.https://europeanspaceflight.com/the-mysterious-ariane-6-upper-stage-hot-fire-test/It honestly looks like the state of Ariane 6 might be much worse than it seems, and Arianespace is trying to cover it up.
>>16143976If they keep delaying this thing it'll be retired before it even launches once Starship beats it to orbit
>>16143957That’s less than cargo jet shipping in many cases. It’s not happening on a rocket.
>>16143989yeah looking through https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/benefit_cost/econ-value-section-4-op-costs.pdf it looks like fuel makes up roughly 1/6 of costs for running a large cargo airline. that should be treated as the upper bound of sanity for what starship could be able to do. propellant for falcon 9, on the other hand, makes up about 1/100 of a launch cost with a reused booster. something around $100/kg would still represent an order-of-magnitude improvement on f9. anything below $60/kg seems impossible for a chemical rocket.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1783186152583016882https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/04/spacex-has-now-landed-more-boosters-than-most-other-rockets-ever-launch/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbWZmdxzf5g>Another Tank Removed Ahead of Next Starship Launch | SpaceX Boca Chica
>>16144018UGH. So sick of tank watching. WHEN IS THE KABOOM???????
>>16144024Are you spaceplanefag
>>16144028no
>>16143937yea, just take seeds from earth and recycle water
>>16143949>Kuiper CliffNibiru is a myth, sweaty. Seriously tho>we don't know if the cliff exists or if the shit there is just too smol to detectthis concept doesn't help as much as >>16143886>>16143886so we don't know shit about fuck. I guess that's more of the usual.
>>16144041we got enhanced shuttle with dreamchaser.
>>16143889ye (Oort clouds are touching)
Interstellar space being filled with random debris is a problem for interstellar travel. what are the chances of a catastrophic impact if you cover the distance to alpha centauri? 5%?
>>16144092can't quote you shit but I think the probability is lower than that.
>>16144081>alpha centauri and proxima have an angular separation over 4 times the angular diameter of the MoonI never knew that
>>16144092S[ACEIS EMPY
>>16144081This just reminded me of the discussion about touching fumos of last thread...
>>16144101ye
Daily reminder it's right there
>>16144113False, we have not gotten this reminder every day therefore it is not daily.
>>16144106clearly the oort cloud is made of cirno fumos
>>16144101What's the relationship between alpha centauri and proxima centauri
>>16144116That would make the Solar system and Alpha Centauri system gay...
>>16144117great
>>16144113It's just right over there
>>16143919>take out 50k loan to go to Mars>now you're stuck in indentured service working as a plumber or whatever until you pay off your debtThis sounds like a bad scifi trope
>>16144131which one is closer? Or are the orbiting eachother?
>>16143919It will clearly be more expensive than the LEO cost because you have to pay the opportunity cost of not having a ship for like 2 years.
>>16143188Bubblegum Crisis is great
>>16143329>>16143371>>16143373Sci fi spaceships are very quickly going to seem quaint. Pic related is a table I made a year ago on what it would look like for Starship to launch 150 tonnes per day, with a new starship added every month. Given these assumptions, the upmass is ridiculously large. After 3 launches, the mass of the ISS can be in orbit. After a year, the mass of the Donnager. After 3.5 years, the total mass of the US Navy.If you have a specific criticism of why starship won't work, I would love to hear it. Even if these assumptions are too rosy (upmass is less, or its reuse cadence is slower), it will still revolutionize space.
>>16143269>>Like I ALWAYS say. Find out the weight of the USS Enterprise 1701-D and then divide it by the cargo capacity of Musk's Starship. Even if his cock rocket worked perfectly, and it won't, it's impossible to make one starship with all the Space X launches ever. Can't be done. If you can't build a ship to house and feed and keep safe 150-300 people over 3-6 months in space then you can't colonize a planet. It drives me insane how blind and easy to fool you hairless apes are.I don't know what "make one starship with all the Space X launches ever" is supposed to mean, but you should know that colonizing Mars is just a recruiting gimmick for SpaceX and Starship's real purpose is to launch BRILLIANT PEBBLES!
>>16144159Just imagine if NASA decided to issue a contract to SpaceX to haul the components for an interstellar mission
>>16143594BP will deny to the enemy even the ability to seethe and cope. All they will be able to do is cower and tremble.
>>16144159>>16144164>>16143269Yeah, I have USS Enterprise 1701-D in my calcs. It's 190,000 tonnes, and if Starship can lift 150 tonnes, that's 1267 launches. With the 1/day cadence, and 1 new starship added monthly, that will be only 8 months after Starship gets online.
Russia vetoed a draft resolution before the United Nations Security Council that would have called on countries to prevent a nuclear arms race in outer space.
>>16144177Russia's literally just a rack for nukes these days. Has almost nothing to fall back upon besides trying to threaten armageddon or sell you a lump of coal. There's unironically a whole narration right now in Moscow that they should steer diplomatic norms towards everything being about nukes.
>>16144159It's a simplified prediction describing an optimal scenario, but it's also not wrong, per se. Once Starship does start hitting its stride it is capable of putting truly stupid amounts of mass into orbit. The one potentially misleading thing about this is that until we get major off-world fuel production operations running most of starship's lifted payload is going to be propellant instead of physical hardware. Even if we were using Starship for something as local building up geostationary solar arrays we'd still need to be launching more gas than we were package.
>>16144177If the UN is in favor of something then it's almost certainly a bad idea
>>16144159>>If you have a specific criticism of why starship won't workOh, it will work alright. What won't work is any economic justification for establishing a Mars colony, nor any economic model for sustaining one. How do the Martians participate in Earth's economy to pay for even cheap shipment of goods to Mars? How do they pay for all the R&D to even create their Mars colony habitats/etc in the first place? It's not going to get done.Mars colonies aren't happening but Starship IS HAPPENING, so logically the true purpose of Starship must be something other than colonization. Something that could make SpaceX a lot of money, something that requires an absurd amount of mass in LEO... BRILLIANT FUCKING PEBBLES I'VE BEEN SAYING IT FOR YEARS THE MADMEN ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO WIN WORLD WAR THREE BEFORE IT EVER STARTS. PAX AMERICANA FOR A THOUSAND YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!
>>16144187Yeah I figured that would happen, its the last real threat they have
>>16144132Wow I wonder what historical examples show happened with the new worlds immigration... ohhh waaaittt!!>literally references indentured servitude in postHow much of a brainlet are you? There will be more than enough people willing to do this, including me if Im still poor by then.
>>16144187>pretend to be the USSR>start a war against a nation that actually spent 8 years preparing>prove to the world you have no conventional force projection>shake the nuke stick at everyoneIt's pathetic.
>>16144177Yeah typical USA propaganda. Of course most free media in the world will ignore vote that happened just before that"On April 24, the UN Security Council did not accept the amendment of Russia and China to the resolution of the United States and Japan on the non-deployment of nuclear weapons in outer space. Moscow and Beijing insisted that the document should include a ban on all types of weapons"So basically US and satellites want to put weapons into orbit while Russia want space to be free of weapons and have cooperation of humans
>>16143108Another Chinese Falcon 9 cloning project, this one by Fancy Space, which seems to be a small payload company that was established in 2022 and operates in partnership with Piesat. They have apparently decided to expand into rocketry.4.2m diameter fairing, 3.8m diameter tanks, "mature and stable" kerolox engines, and NET 2026 date suggests the rocket will greatly utilize off-the-shelf solutions
>>16144217The only nation confirmed to have put weapons in space was the USSR.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salyut_3#On-board_gun>muh peace loving invaders
>>16144217Having fun lying our your ass for your masters, I see.
>>16143947it's hard to understate how true this is
>>16144226What's the lie here? USA wanted to create good headlines with their law how they care about humanity while not actually banning weapons in space and only banning one type of weapon. Russia and China caught on that and suggested to ban not only nuclear weapons but all weapons. USA with its satellites immediately shat their pants and voted against that Those are facts
In another case of Chinese SOE rocket naming schemes that don't seem to make any sense, CASIC's methalox rocket is apparently called Kuaizhou 6, and the tricore version is called Kuaizhou 6C. I don't think this had been announced previously.
>>16144219>6t to 500km SSOThat's more in line with the Falcon 9 v1.0 than the current Block 5. That seems under-ambitious when you've got groups like Landspace and Space Pioneer planning to copy Falcon's current capacities.
>>16144237Can we just call it the Farrcon Nein?
>>16144237Tank diameter 4.2m, fairing diameter 5.2m
>>16144234The lie is that someone made Russia abrogate its signed treaties. Russia always chooses to do things first to try and seek an advantage for the lowest possible cost and consequence and uses subterfuge and deceit to try and say whatever they're doing is justified once it stops being convenient to deny everything they've done. They've done this for violations of ballistic missile treaties and nuclear weapons alike. Trusting Russia to uphold anything it signs or does is a mistake, and as always, Russians will start cackling, claiming "Russia Stronk" as if their insufferable douchebaggery is a sign of power and prowess rather than as evidence for why not nuking the entire country into a tomb while America had a monopoly on nuclear weapons was a mistake.
>>16144239>That seems under-ambitiousWhen western contractors overpromise and underdeliver they get more money, I think the Chinese contractors are worried about a much less favorable outcome so it's better for them to underpromise and overdeliver.
>tesla stock lost 55% of it's value todayright before elon got his $50 billion payout. now its going to be half that. our mars colony money is disappearing...
>16144262It's up 12.06% today, and not spaceflight related. Fuck off, Ivan.
>>16144262>he thinks Tesla effects SpaceXLLC.
>>16144264>>16144269tesla makes the batteries for starship
>>16144246That's a fairly reasonable worry. Falcon 9's had a nearly uncontested decade to set itself up as a launch hegemon, but the Chinese market is going to see multiple reusable vehicles coming online and fighting for marketshare inside of a year or two. My worry is that by going with a more conservative medium-class rocket they'll get outperformed by other launchers that went for EELV-class capabilities right from the start.
>>16144081this is gay, don't do this
>>16144239Yeah, the stated payload mass fraction to 500km SSO is 1.4%, compared to 2.4% for TL-3.If they're cobbling together a rocket using parts and tools that are easily available off-the-shelf, maybe they are a bit limited in what they can doIn any case, even if it was better, I still don't really see the business case for yet another rocket in China at this point. There are already so many. Maybe they've decided to take their chances anyway just because the cost-of-entry to the industry is low, or maybe because Henan province wants to see its space industry expand and offers subsidies
>>16144246If you underpromise, then you won't get any early payload orders that make full use of your rocket's potential
>>16144244All lies. Russia strongest in SPACE. You can't do anything. We will build first Orthodox Church on Moon
>>16144288Unless they primarily intend to launch their own payloads, in which case it doesn't matter
>>16144292Ironic shitposting is still shitposting.
>>16144269Musk said he's accumulating assets for the purpose of enabling Mars colonization, no? Assuming you believe him, Tesla stock value matters for SpaceX
Wtf is an S-type star?
>>16144137
>>16144303>Assuming you believe him
>>16144240If you call Chinese Falcon 9 copies Farrcon Nein, then how would you distinguish them?
>>16144313He'll more likely blow the money on another Twitter type acquisition
>>16144316>born just in time to see 300,000 years until the Alpha Centauri transfer window
>>16144283My guess would be that it's more fad-chasing than anything else. SpaceX made space launch a cool proposition that could theoretically lead to massive commercial success, so a lot of people decided to ignore the lessons SpaceX learned with the Falcon 1 and make a clone of that their primary business model. Now we've got a nice graveyard filled with former smallsat launch providers. China might be having a similar situation with medium-life vehicles. Too many groups come in with a product that doesn't really match the needs of the market and end up crashing as a result. I think there's going to be room for two or maybe three RLV's in China. None of them are going to prosper the way the Falcon did, but the competition is going to give Chinese payload producers some of the lowest $/kg rates in the world.
>>16144318Buying shitter was crazy. 44 billion could bankroll the development of 18m Starship
>>16144304https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-type_star>An S-type star (or just S star) is a cool giant with approximately equal quantities of carbon and oxygen in its atmosphere. They can be grouped into two classes: intrinsic S stars, which owe their spectra to convection of fusion products and s-process elements to the surface; and extrinsic S stars, which are formed through mass transfer in a binary system.
>>16144318He'll keep saying that taxing him will doom mankind while giving himselve bonuses bigger than the lifetime profit of his companies.He's going to save humanity with it any day now, honest.
>>16144332So which organization are you afraid of losing to Elon Musk if he succeeds, eh?
>>16144316>closest approach 3lyyou are like little baby>Gliese 710, or HIP 89825, is an orange 0.6 M star in the constellation Serpens Cauda. It is projected to pass near the Sun in about 1.29 million years at a predicted minimum distance of 0.051 parsecs—0.1663 light-years (10,520 astronomical units) – about 1/25th of the current distance to Proxima Centauri.
>>16143222Ah yes the Boeing blood capsule.>>16143592and Boeing workers >>16143143now let's check the successful probe of this fucking faggot >>16143159>monorail>Starship >>16143213So a bunch of debris is transmitting images from the Moon, faggot
>>16143648I've dig this one
>>16144324>I think there's going to be room for two or maybe three RLV's in ChinaI think there's going to be room for a lot more than that. Just GW and G60 are 26,000 satellites that need to be launched before 2035/2037 to meet ITU Resolution 35 deadlines, and they'd probably launch a third constellation if they thought they had the capacity to do it in time. There will likely be all kinds of very large EO constellations using tech similar to Minospace's stackable 230kg SAR satellite. Those could easily amount to several tens of thousands. The commercial value is good, the military value is even greater.CZ-10A is an RLV that's probably going to be dedicated to the manned space program (because its payload mass fraction is poor). CZ-9 is an RLV that's now apparently going to be dedicated to high-energy missions and super-large object lifting, and won't partake in the regular LEO trucking business. Those alone are two RLVs that won't be competing directly with the others.CASC and CASIC are each developing a methalox F9 clone. Those are two RLVs that won't be allowed to dominate the launch market and kill off the commercial competition that the government wants to foster. Long term, they'll probably be restricted to secretive government payloads.I think the Chinese government probably wants to have at least 5 different commercial launch providers, in order to have cut-throat competition and have room to let companies to fail. So I think that, for the foreseeable future, they will make sure to divvy up government contracts accordingly.>it's more fad-chasing than anything elseFad-chasing might be an explanation. Still, they'd need to also convince someone else to cough up the investment money for it; they don't seem to be a large company. Although it might be relatively easy to find the money if they're using off-the-shelf solutions; they don't need a lot of money for that
>>16144361There's also CASC's air-launched RLV project and TSTO spaceplane project. Those are two RLVs that are likely to exist just for military purposes.
>>16144332That's not necessarily a contradiction though. He reinvests money he makes into expanding his business empire. Now, whether one believes a change of management at twatter was critical to the future of mankind...
ITTsfgaylords finally turn against musk
>>16144401>Wants-to-be-a-woman fingers typed this post
>>16144421Fuck you.
>>16144436no, it will you who will be fuckeddilate
>>16144436Tranny YWNBAW
May is so soon.... launch month is almost upon us!
>>16144468stupid frogposter, every month is launch month
>>16144469starship launch month* i apologize for my retardation oldgod
nsf should move away from daily starbase videos and towards daily spaceflight news videos. there's alot of interesting stuff that they may only talk about during their weekly roundup videos. and nobody gives a shit about how many bolts were screwed into a tank each morning.
>China is on target to reach its goal of putting its astronauts on the moon before the end of the decade, according to the country’s human spaceflight agency.>Officials with the China Manned Space Engineering Office (CMSEO) provided a rare update on the crewed lunar program during a press conference at Jiuquan spaceport April 24. https://spacenews.com/china-on-track-for-crewed-moon-landing-by-2030-space-official-says/the only way we're getting to the moon before china is through spacex
>>16144132We should ban poor people from going to Mars. To protect them. Anyone who doesn't have 500K in assets should be kept safe on Earth
>>16144517>we
>>16144516somehow those eva suits look like a chink. I think you could put an apollo suit and a chink suit next to eachother and tell which one is made by europeans and which one is made by chinese
>>16144343Man what kind of shit will this do to the Sol and Alpha Centauri systems I wonder, talk about 3 body problem
>>16144401its just the vocal tranny from reddit
>>16144522The thing is that over, say, the last billion years some stars must have come even closer. Maybe we used to be a distant binary and our companion star got captured or scattered by an interloper
I've been thinking. SpaceX IVA suit actually looks alright on a model, but it looks trash on people with a less than optimal bodytype.This guy is a gnome for example https://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2021/04/thomas_pesquet_in_spacex_flight_suit/23258399-1-eng-GB/Thomas_Pesquet_in_SpaceX_flight_suit_pillars.jpg
>>16144528Yes same problem with the First Order Stormtroopers which is why the OT Stormtroopers will always look superior
>>16144523You just replied to that vocal tranny btw
>>16144528Thats just the french phenotype at work.
>>16143594Nuclear torpedoes. Also probably hypersonic glide vehicles.
When do we reach 100 people simultaneously in LEO? before 2034?
>>16144577good thing you are connected to literal billions of people even still on mars. along with the people around you. this is the biggest nothing burger complaint ive seen brought up yet, go back to rebbit envirotroon.
>>16144581Not in our lifetimes.
>>16144584Yeah the 24 minute time lag will surely make up for the harsh living conditions
>>16144584touch grass.
>>16144581i wonder what they considered to be a high data rate for a mars orbiter in 1970
>>16144590>oh no muh timelagSettlers had a timelag of months and you can get a direct response on another fucking planet in less than half an hour, you still complain? Ungrateful city slickers, SNEED.
>>16144517How many rich people want to go work as a janitor in a shitty Mars pod?
>>16144581>When do we reach 100 people simultaneously in LEO? before 2034?when we go to colonize mars in 2033
>>16144610explain the connection between leo and mars.
>>16144609You want poor indentured slavery on Mars? Poor people should not be subject to Mars. Only the rich must be allowed to go to Mars, to protect the chi-I mean the poor.
>>16144613Pics unrelated. Just Andruil eating Boeing/Lockheed lunch in AirForce today.
>>16144581>mfw "Skylab" was actually a generic term and not an actual>mfw "SkylabS" (plural)What we could have had...
>>16144627reddit
>>16144106Touching fumos is on my bucket list
>>16144636what are you, a faggot?
>>16144628this is what its like to live as this anon
>>16144614The grift is up you love to see it
>>16144644KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
>>16144647FUCK the gif screwed up its ruined
>>16144613>>16144614Anduril seems like SpaceX but with lots of glowies mixed in. Cool name though.
>>16144649yep there they are
>>16144516honestly this looks like a modest, basic moon landing program. no messing about refueling, unproven rockets, starships, and how much do you think LM10 will cost compared to SLS per launch?
>>16144674>modest, basic moon landing programfor fags. go big or go home. apollo was fine in the 60s. it's not today. 100 starships on the moon this decade
>>16144680why not both? get there first with something tested and evolve it into a giga-base
https://twitter.com/DanaEn803/status/1783165954903425330Oh here we go here we fucking go, I knew this shit would turn out to be the biggest obstacle for SpaceX
>>16144710>literal who account not quoting musk or posting audio snipalso doesnt this only apply to nasa missions retard? and before you say no, post evidence or youre a lying cuck.
>>16144714It's from the ILSC talk today I think
>>16144718LSIC*
>>16144710It won't matter once ISRO goes to Mars.
>>16144734Whatever can survive in disgusting jeet shit can easily survive Mars.
>>16144611starships will gather in leo to refuel before departure
>>16144674its more advanced than apollo but shitter than artemisflags and footprints -> unmanned outpost -> short visits by chinastronauts
>>16144393Most retards on this site do not comprehend to content of this post.They believe that "the rich" hoard all of their money in one big pile locked up in some bank in Switzerland.They actually think "taxing the rich" will make the rich poorer, while they (and the poor) get richer.Why must the average person be this retarded? What did we do to deserve them being such a plague upon this board?
>>16144783How do most retards on this site believe this? If anything most people think the opposite, the only place you would see tax the rich on this site is /lgbt/, /sci/ is literally just /pol2/. Where do you think you ARE??
>>16144788Bro, boomers are EVERYWHERE these daysEven /ck/ isn't safe anymore2016 really was the deathknell of this site
>>16144761yeah but artemis is saddled with a crew launcher that can't fly more than once a year by design. if we get in a situation where china's landing 3+ times a year that may be the quickest path to killing SLS so i'm not entirely displeased with the situation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mm3eLrFlf8New Eager Space video>ULA - PR or Lies Part 1
>>16144783Why do you think I believe any of that?I think that the 1% going from owning 17% of the economy in 1990 to owning 26% now is bad.I don't want to make them poor, I don't even want to stop them increasing their wealth I just think 3% of the economy going to them every decade isn't sustainable.
>>16144868Now continue onto what you want to do about it.
>>16144871Well everyone here seems to understand the boomers had a much better economy that us so lets revert from our neoliberal economic policy to the liberal economic policy of the 50s.Things like a 50% corporate tax rate, major government projects that pay well, higher capital gains tax. Crash the housing market by banning corporate home ownership and limiting residential property ownership to 5 per person.There is plenty that has worked in the past, we don't need to try anything new, just tell political donors to get fucked and start serving the people again.
>>16144868> 3% of the economy going to them every decade isn't sustainable.youre looking at it back to front. they are effectively making their share of the economy (and thus the whole economy) bigger every decade. it isnt "going to them", they are making it from scratch.
>>16144881The standard of living for the lower classes is markedly and measurably decreasing. Even if they are producing to create that growth, it is demonstrably happening in contravention to the state of everyone else at minimum. Given the abundance of Rent Seeking behavior and increasing prices of essential goods and services above and beyond inflation, their growth in wealth is probably directly at the expense of the well-being of the lower classes.
>>16144881>they are effectively making their share of the economy (and thus the whole economy) bigger every decadeWhat do you think is a good upper limit? Will it be a problem when 60% of the economy is owned by 1%? Maybe 90%? Or will it not be a problem even when they own 120% (possible because "they are growing the economy").
>>16144876That's a very nice plan which relies upon very sketchy preconditions.Wresting representatives off of the teat of political donors is far from trivial. I'd say it's basically impossible, actually.
>>16144902The hard part is to do it legally they have to vote to make political donations illegal which isn't in their best interests.There have been other methods used to replace government structures.
https://twitter.com/sbarky38/status/1783403023009825154HAHA
>>16144916Thank you sbarky38.Source?
>>16144920FROS7 probablyhttps://youtu.be/NkF2zEzqWR4
>>16144931Thanks anon.
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>>16144195mars is a joke anyway. getting tonnage cheap to leo is the real money shot as that anons table shows
>>16144655where in europe is that? Bulgaria?
>>16144674>honestly this looks like a modest, basic moon landing programThat's why China will land before America, and it will be seen as a giant geopolitical coup by normies who don't understand the nuances in the archietectures.An overwhelming majority alive today in the turd worldist alliance think America faked the original moon landings. Once the chinks beat America to the moon late 20's it will become a key point of turd world historical canon that China landed on the moon first. It will probably be the prevailing opinion among MIGAtards assuming they dont't become more resistant to disinfo
>>16144468With SpaceX you win
>>16144577>prairie madness resulted in east coasters acting like east coastersterrifying
>>16144581after the first few Starship launched commercial space stations are fully crewed15 or 20 years on that basis, with a sharp increase after thatit's possible the first full Mars fleets will be first
>>16144710The first fleets won't come back to Earth
