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>>16172743
Whores love money. Simple as.

a little brain damage from meningitis didn't do me any harm
builds character I say. kids these days are soft

>>16172803
Your micro brain and micro penis can fuck off out of here.

>>16172743
Vaccines can only get government protection from lawsuits if they're on the pediatric immunization schedule. As a result, there's a lot of pressure by pharma companies to get their vaccines on that schedule in order for them to gain liability protection.

>>16172833
Why would the vaccine manufacturers be concerned about getting government protection from lawsuits if the vaccines they were selling weren't harmful?

>>16173143
They are not harmful 99.999% of the time
The problem is the 0.001% of patients who are harmed can shut it all down if they had to be liable, especially for something that is at it's core an elective procedure.

The cult of society deems a small amount of collateral damage as inevitable and preferable to the alternative which is not having these vaccines or having a very reduced uptake.

IMO no one should be harmed for doing the right thing but most of society does not see things that way. Being maimed by a vaccine is just seen as an unfortunate, unavoidable event on the same level as any other accidental death where no one can be considered at fault.

>>16172743
That's wrong.

It's "fewer"

>>16173574
both are cute and valid

>>16173182
They should be held liable for killing people retard.

>>16174686
>person eats peanuts
>dies from allergic reaction
>peanut grower should go to prison for killing them in anons world

>>16172743
Go back to your containment board, incel.

>>16174697
So who is mandating babies eat peanuts? How should any one product be mandated? I bet you don't have an answer smart ass.

>>16174715
Your parents can refuse the vaccines though

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>>16172743
>How does science justify this?
That's not true. I am 50 and have received tens vaccination shots in my life. Most were mandatory (public health service preventive medicine) but I did not oppose them, I welcomed them. The rest were paid out of my own pocket, either because I needed shots for traveling to some corner of the globe, or just to make my life more comfortable: I get the flu vaccine every year, paid out of my own pocket. I hate dealing with the fucking flu, and it's nice to cruise through wintertime without ever dealing with that shit.

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>>16175129
Vaccines are always introduced after deaths have already been experiencing a consistent and strong decline. The ongoing downward trend simply continues and then the vaccine is credited for "curing" a disease that was already on its way out thanks to improvements in hygiene and nutrition, removal of environmental toxins, and other factors that reduce incidence of illness. The vaccines aren't actually doing anything if you look at the data instead of the headlines.

https://dissolvingillusions.com/graphs-images/#Charts

>>16175851
This only really shows people were less likely to out right die, but doesn't necessarily disprove whether the number of measles cases didn't decrease with the vaccine. You for example might not necessarily die from polio but can still end up crippled by it, so this data doesn't tell the full story.

>>16174723
doesn't that exclude their children from pretty much all public (and most private) schooling down the road? not that that's necessarily a bad thing but the system is definitely stacked against you if you don't want to jab your kid 120 times their first year on earth

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>>16175851
Another point is many of the data he uses here are for bacterial infections, which of course had reduced deaths prior to the vaccine due to being treatable with anti-biotics (though you still run the risk of long term side effects). His data on the measles vaccine however shows a clear decline in measles rates after its introduction, thus obviously the vaccine was working in preventing the rate at which people caught it.

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>>16175873
The incidence rates do go down, but there's another problem: overlapping diagnoses. Lots of illnesses have similar or even identical symptoms and there's a lot left up to personal interpretation by the doctors. Measles and smallpox are two of the best examples of this because measles, mumps, smallpox, and chickenpox all have the SAME symptoms. So what happens when you think a patient has measles, mumps, or smallpox but you see in their medical history they've been vaccinated for those? Must be chickenpox! And if they're too old for chickenpox or they've already had chickenpox before? Oh, now it's shingles. Smallpox and measles didn't get eradicated by vaccination, they got eradicated by not being diagnosed. We made many other improvements that make those conditions no longer life-threatening and practically routine to manage, then we started lumping one disease in with another on the assumption that the vaccines must work so it must be a different disease causing these identical symptoms. It has nothing to do with the effectiveness of vaccines.

>>16175893
I don't think you can just put it down to that when the decline very clearly occurs just as the vaccine is introduced, not much will have changed in the year or so between its introduction and the clear dip.
Shingles is definitely not the same as chickenpox either, thats an absurd claim. The symptoms are vastly different beyond the fact that they cause blotching.

>>16172743
better to be smart and insane than dumb and learning

>>16175902
>I don't think you can just put it down to that when the decline very clearly occurs just as the vaccine is introduced
All it takes is convincing the doctors that the vaccine is effective. If they "know" that a child is immune to measles due to vaccination they're going to rule out that diagnosis and attribute it to another illness with enough overlapping symptoms. It's a simple logical conclusion to not diagnose a patient with an illness you know they can't get. The vaccines don't have to actually work, there just have to be other available explanations for doctors to fall back on in the diagnosis process.

>>16172743
My daughter was six months old in 2023. I don't remember how many jabs she had had at six months but it couldn't have been more than four.

>>16176763
there's no mercury in vaccines. It's one thing to criticize vaccines. It's another to do so based on false and incredibly outdated information.

>>16176889
>It's another to do so based on false and incredibly outdated information.
Figures why all the mainstream antivaxxers would do so. Aren't they still blaming thimerosal despite that having been discontinued in the '90s?

>>16173182
You meant to say...
>99.99% of the time they cause no DISCERNIBLE OR DIAGNOSABLE harm

Every vaccine literally injures your body physically and into the future given tbey contain heavy metals and other contaminates.

The safest vaccine in the world is the yellow fever vaccine.
Usually made close to on the spot, never stored long periods, attenuated LIVE virus, NO ADJUVANTS AT ALL.

It's the most effective and has almost zero recorded side effects in all of it's history.
All other shots are purposely poisonous for whatever reason you can guess.

>>16175129
Lmao
Try eating good food. There is no one alive that still thinks the flu shot works.
Thanks paid poster.
You guys are too dumb to not show your hand if you write more than three sentences.
Just stick to insult posting.

>>16176891
They reintroduces it a few years ago to the flu vaccine and then put the flu vaccine on the children's schedule.
Try staying at least within 20 years of up to date with your facts please.

Also...
>Thimerosal removed
>RFK is a kook

For the discussion.
Heavy metals are bad, but ALL ADJUVANTS literally train the body to have immune reactions to a wide spread of things that are in your body at time of injection or enter shortly thereafter.

This is why autoimmune is thru the roof. There is literal DNA in some of these shots as well as genetic portions from animals.
Your body is being trained against those proteins.

>>16176889
>>16176891
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/thimerosal/index.html
>Thimerosal contains ethylmercury, which is cleared from the human body more quickly than methylmercury, and is therefore less likely to cause any harm.
>Thimerosal is added to vials of vaccine that contain more than one dose (multi-dose vials) to prevent growth of germs, like bacteria and fungi.

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>>16172743
It's more appropriate to say "fewer" when describing an amount of countable items.

>>16176983
Meh.
Not OP but big meh to this post.

>>16176961
>Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.
>Measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal. Varicella (chickenpox), inactivated polio (IPV), and pneumococcal conjugate vaccines have also never contained thimerosal.
>Influenza (flu) vaccines are currently available in both thimerosal-containing (for multi-dose vaccine vials) and thimerosal-free versions.

Learn how to read...

>>16177592
The official CDC narrative is: Thimerosal isn't in vaccines, except when it is, and you shouldn't worry about it anyway.
Besides, there's plenty of other nasty shit in vaccines to worry about like aluminum.

>>16172743
if I had it all to do over again I would have claimed to be jewish and my kids aren't getting any shots and nobody would have dared look at me sideways

>>16174697
peanuts are not synthesized in a lab from 1000s of ingredients

>>16176906
>There is no one alive that still thinks the flu shot works.
Theres a small group of people who believe it works wonders when it comes to generating massive windfall profits for Pharmaco Inc.
https://www.forbes.com/2010/03/10/swine-flu-world-health-organization-pandemic-opinions-contributors-henry-i-miller.html

>>16176983
Nice tip, thanks. We'll make fewer and fewer mistakes as we learn from these.

>>16172743
>tfw 34 and developed autism while my older siblings did not
>MMR vaccine dose was massively increased for my birth year

>>16179576
Happy to be of service.

>>16172743
when I were about to start my PhD in the US, the trannies there required me to take like 5 additional shots. the full list had like 30 vaccines tho most of them are optional.
it's retarded.

>>16180056
Could you not claim a religious exemption?

>>16180061
Why tho? I'm not religious and I'm fine with taking those additional vaccines because they had been tested and in circulation for many decades. I just felt it's too extreme about the number.

life sciences building thru -

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>>16180065
>I'm fine with taking those additional vaccines
Oh... okay.

>>16175829
yea, they get meningitis instead lmao

>>16180056
>>16180065
if you dont have a problem with 5 vaccines i dont see why you would have a problem with 30. if your doctor recommended 30mg if penicillin would you be like “woah, 30? isnt that a bit high? cant we just do like 5mg?”

>>16180138
I had already taken a fuck ton of shots at that time. Also had to take safety precaution rabies vaccine cause some pitbull got me in the hand. what can 5 more shots do lol.
>30 shot
they're optional and will probably require multiple appointments to take them. why should I bother if they're not mandatory?

>>16180131
that vaccine miraculously does nothing to prevent meningitis.

>>16173574
/thread

>>16173182
you must be on your tenth covid booster. how many times have you had covid?
https://www.brighteon.com/f8e70675-672c-48c3-bdaa-9838deb9ad97

>>16185152
are they up to the 10th booster already?

>>16175921
How many other ailments look like the measles?

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>>16188451
https://www.verywellhealth.com/viral-rash-5271435
>Some common viral rashes linked to contagious viruses include:
>Measles
>Rubella (German measles)
>Chickenpox
>Hand, foot, and mouth disease
>Fifth disease
>Roseola
>Mononucleosis can cause a "mono rash"
>A Zika virus rash is maculopapular. It includes macules (tiny, raised blotches) and papules (reddish bumps). It usually starts on the trunk and spreads to other areas of the body, often causing itching.
>HIV rash occurs during acute HIV infection
>West Nile virus is an infection transmitted by mosquito bites. ... The rash appears two to 14 days after infection. It tends to resemble measles and be maculopapular
>A dengue fever rash can be macular (flat) or maculopapular (flat and raised). It usually covers most of the body two to five days after the fever starts. Later in the disease, a flat rash similar to measles appears.
>Molloscum contagiosum is a viral infection caused by poxvirus. The infection causes mild skin disease.
>Acrodermatitis produces a rash that may or may not itch.

Pic related is a rash said to be caused by COVID-19: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52493574
More about COVID rash: https://www.verywellhealth.com/covid-rash-in-kids-8608828

As you can see, doctors have plenty of illnesses to choose from when diagnosing conditions involving full-body rash and high fever. We supposedly eradicated smallpox and measles through vaccination, but their symptoms persist in the population so we define them as new diseases.

>>16187097
Can we leave the vaccine-autism boogeyman behind? It's old and stale. And the doctor in question has no expertise on vaccines anyway.

But the "conspiracy" never was organic in the first place. It was always pushed by plants.

>>16172743
I have 2 kids. Followed the vax schedule for the first one but not the second. Surprise surprise, the first one has food allergies and other strange ailments.

>>16188627
I agree, vaccines are dangerous enough to avoid without the specious link to autism.

>>16188644
Recommend paternity testing as well so we can better understand this data.

>>16188627
Sure, as soon as you post all RTC for every approved vaccine in the CDC list.

>>16174686
Just like gun companies are.

>>16188644
Food allergies are caused/worsened by not introducing your kid to foods as a kid. Be less of a shit parent.

>>16188824
If gun companies were lobbying to make the government pay them to shoot civilians under the guise of public service they should be.

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>>16188876
Okay, now show me the childhood bullet schedule required for participation in public school.

>>16188881
Never been to Florida, have you.

>>16189309
I have, it was nice and warm

>>16190262
>I have, it was nice
Kek. That wasn't Florida.
Glad you liked it and were not shot.

>>16172743
Do they give shots for allergies now cause zoomer parents are too stupid to take their kids outdoors?

>>16187097
Or the definition of autism changed. When I was a kid the autistic kid at school drooled everywhere and shit himself constantly. Now have any kind of neurosis you are autistic.

>>16172833
don't forget that this pressure only exists because of the government and that this is intentional

>>16190262
Florida is nice as long as you avoid the parts with blacks and jews

>>16172743
They justify it because they make money on it

>>16193329
Scientists are extremely greedy people

>>16193756
People who get obsessed with math are all greedy people, they get their obsession with math from their possessiveness and materialism, from counting their money or from developing schemes to get more money for themselves

>>16175882
how bout not being genetic waste with a dysfunctional immune system
OXYG

>>16175851
>>16175885
>>16175893
>morbidity

>>16176889
there is lots of mercury in vaccines
and other heavy metals too

>>16176920
adjuvants just trigger a inflammatory reaction which increase the efficency of the adaptative immune response + allows to generate immune memory. It is needed for an efficent vaccination. Yes, if you have autoreactive lymphocites they will maybe be triggered by the inflammation (maybe), but any next inflammation that you will have could have triggered it.
>Your body is being trained against those proteins
..isn't that the whole point?

>>16196681
>..isn't that the whole point?
The point is your body being trained against the virus, not against the proteins of adjuvants which come from food products.

vaccines are good actually (with the exception of mandated covid vaccines perhaps)
mandating anything isn't good if you can help it and in the case of covid you could have certainly "helped it"

I had Lyme disease that progressed to late stages. Imagine my shock when I found out, a preventative cure existed, and you fucking retards caused it to be made available for pets only.

My youngest sibling never had to get chicken pox. I never had rheumatic fever.

Imagine giving kids preventative cures for diseases.

>>16197660
>mandating anything isn't good
nearly all vaccines are mandated

>>16197660
>vaccines are good
False.

>>16198572
The covid vaccine is good, its killed millions of low IQ midwits.

>>16199459
thats not enough

>>16172743
>children NEED to die of whooping cough and measles, libtard!!!

>>16200171
Kids stopped dying from those things before vaccines were introduced. See: >>16175851

>>16200171
>>>/pol/

>>16175893
That graphs cuts off recent data. All of the unvaccinated illegal immigrants have started to make diseases like measles become far more common than they used to be.

>>16172743
If you're over 35, you have drank more leaded water than a baby in 2023.

>>16202092
only REAL men drink leaded water and unsanitary food, PUSSIES like the new generation could NEVER walk the tightrope between death and an iron lung

>>16202083
It has nothing to do with vaccination and everything to do with hygiene and diet. Though, the lack of vaccination does cause the reverse of what I talked about in >>16175921 and >>16188494. Someone who's not vaccinated for measles can be diagnosed with measles, and their lack of vaccination will be blamed for their illness. No one will be diagnosed with smallpox regardless of personal vaccination status, though, because that one was declared to be globally eradicated so it's fully off the table in the mind of any diagnosing physicians.

>>16198521
This, you're restricted from using the pubic services you pay for via taxation if you're not maxvax'd, so all of the list of 6 zogillion vaccines are effectively mandated. All of the college children on /sci/ had to get their vaxxxie injections before college would admit them.

>>16172743
Lots of children die every year from vaccine injections

>>16180138
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)

>>16172743
>this is what /sci/ actually believes
In a way it doesn't surprise me as none of you will procreate (thank God)

>>16206229
>I hate /sci/
why are you here?

>>16206229
The number of vaccinations kids are expected to receive now really is absurd, though: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html

reminder that clinical trials of vaccines do not have a true control group. the 'control' receives the same shot minus the so called active ingredient, the antigen, but it still contains the dozens of other ingredients such as aluminum salt adjuvants (that scientists have no idea what the method of action is).

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>>16172743
>How does science justify this?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Over 35 here. I had no idea kids don't get chickenpox anymore. It's gotta be like meeting someone paraplegic from polio for zoomies now, seeing someone with a tiny chickenpox scar on their cheek.

>>16208090
To be fair, when insurance companies pay for things like this it's out of a genuine belief that preventive vaccines will prevent more serious and costly illnesses from appearing. Insurance companies have to pay when you receive medical care and they'd much rather you get some cheap/free (for them) shots than have to kick in payment on a multi-day hospital stay. It's worth paying providers a few thousand extra dollars if you genuinely believe it will save the company hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars by keeping patients from getting seriously ill. Note also that this is specifically Medicaid coverage, which is a type of coverage that pays 100% on EVERYTHING because it's for poor people on government assistance. There won't even be a deductible or copays or coinsurance to put on the member, if they get sick the Medicaid plan pays it all up to the agreed Medicaid rates.

>>16208824
>I had no idea kids don't get chickenpox anymore.
They do, it's just not called chickenpox if they're vaccinated. See: >>16188494

>>16208923
>it's out of a genuine belief that preventive vaccines will prevent more serious and costly illnesses from appearing
wrong. stop believing everything you see on tv

>>16210053
I'm antivax but you've got a screw loose if you think anyone pushes vaccines to intentionally do harm to people, least of all the insurance companies who have to foot the bill when someone ends up in the hospital.

>>16210074
Not that guy but healthcare insurance is one of the most insured businesses out there. Healthcare insurance doesn't really lose out if the populous is sick except when you just look at cases on individual basis. So long as they can keep uninsured hospital bills high enough to discourage people going entirely uninsured then the sicker the populous is the greater the profits are because you can charge more from a customer base that's sicker and more afraid than a healthy and secure one. It's not exactly a secret that medical insurance is extremely profitable in american despite it being nominally one of the sickest countries (at least when measured by amount of health services required, not by like tuberculosis rate e.g. the kind of sick that counts for insurer when paying bills) and the country with by far the highest costs for health services. Operating under normal logic insuring should be bad there but it just isn't because medical insurance doesn't operate with the standard framework where people may opt out like with insuring your collectible artisan jimmy buffet statuets. You are going to insure yourself because without it you will be financially ruined from 15 minute ambulance ride for some reason and insurers can simply raise prices until profits are sufficiently high.
This is just looking at the underlying capitalist model without taking into account things like mandated insurance and government bailouts of course which just skew the entire thing in favor of the insurer.

Basically greed isn't a very strong argument why insurance company wouldn't try to harm you. That being said it's probably not that they are trying to harm you, instead they are likely being paid by the government per referral or something, keeping some of the cash while the people actually paying are trying to harm you and those guys operate on tax money.

>>16210145
His point is moot as insurance companies shouldn't have hidden agendas to push certain kinds of treatments. At least with preauthorized treatments they are open and forward.
Telling a doctor to give a certain thing to help their profit is unethical for them and the doctor and probably illegal when we think to big painkiller pushing - though this was done by manufacturers and their marketing groups.

>>16210173
>shouldn't have hidden agendas to push certain kinds of treatments
But I just demonstrated that they can have a financial incentive to do so. Which really is enough if those treatments aren't good for you.

>>16210145
>they are likely being paid by the government per referral or something
That letter is from Anthem Medicaid, so yes it's literally a government program being administered by Anthem.

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>>16210074
>insurance companies who have to foot the bill when someone ends up in the hospital.
They're government subsidized, they make money when someone goes to the hospital. its a zero risk business, they only make profits.

>>16211063
No, they SPEND money when someone goes to the hospital. Insurance companies have an incentive to keep people healthy. The more healthy every member is, the lower the overall risk. The lower the overall risk, the more competitive they can make their plan premiums and the more likely that they'll make more money than they spend. Insurance is all about making a bet that it will be used infrequently enough to cover the costs of the times when it is used.

>>16211426
they don't spend money, their profits are guaranteed by the government under Obamacare, whatever money they supposedly "spend" just means they get reimbursed that must plus a percentage by the government, so they try to be as wasteful as possible.

>>16213259
I work for an insurance company and you're retarded, you have no idea how anything actually works.

>>16213704
You work in a cubicle in a call center, you don't manage the finances

>>16218638
>You work in a cubicle in a call center
Incorrect.

>>16178343
Synthesized by nature from 1000s of ingredients and potentially harmful in many ways

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>>16208923
>i come to 4chan to simp for health insurance companies
post nose

>>16222781
If you think insurance companies are the ones causing problems you don't understand anything about how the healthcare industry works or how health insurance works.

>>16222809
post nose

>>16224069
You may as well say that car insurance companies love car accidents and don't want people to drive safely. You've got it all completely backward and if you can't understand that you need to learn how things work.

>>16224347
car insurance companies don't get direct government subsidies and they don't have guaranteed profits

>>16226015
Insurance companies only get subsidies for government programs (Medicare and Medicaid) and those subsidies are all per-enrollee, not per-hospitalization. For each Medicare or Medicaid enrollee the insurance company gets a set amount of money each month, just like they get a set monthly premium payment from each enrollee on a commercial plan. This is because Medicare and Medicaid are funded by taxes (and in the case of Medicare, enrollees pay monthly premiums for Part B already to Social Security). The insurance company is still paying insurance claims and they still have to balance the benefits and plan pricing based on risk and healthcare costs so they don't lose money in the long run. This fantasy of yours that insurance companies make money off of hospitalizations is just flat-out wrong, it's entirely in the interest of every insurance company to promote preventive care to keep their members healthy so that they don't need as much diagnostic medical care that the insurance company takes a much bigger hit paying for.

Insurance companies win when their members don't need to use the insurance (no claims to pay out, but still making money from the premiums or the per-enrollee subsidies), which is also why they're willing to pay out at 100% for preventive care and even spend a lot of money on marketing that encourages members to get said preventive care. That's because paying for an annual wellness visit, a few screenings, and a couple shots is a lot cheaper than paying for a hospitalization if someone ends up with a preventable illness due to lack of vaccination or lack of screening for early detection. Do you think an insurance company is better off paying for an outpatient surgery to remove a cancerous mass immediately after it forms or paying for months or years of cancer treatment if that cancer isn't caught soon enough? Seriously, just think about the financial math behind that.

1/2

>>16226015
>>16226049
2/2

Now, let's apply that logic with the cancer treatment to vaccines. I'll go ahead and say I don't personally think vaccines are good and I don't take them or advocate for them, just to be clear here. But the fact is that most people do believe vaccines are positive preventive care and that they're good for the health of the population. That's why insurance companies are willing to pay out some money to incentivize people to get those vaccines. I agree that in the long run all of this DOES enrich pharmaceutical companies and there IS a massive profit motive for them, but they're able to get away with it because they've genuinely convinced people at every level of society that vaccines are good for people. It's not some nefarious scheme to intentionally injure people by injecting them with poison, it's a misplaced sense of trust in vaccines preventing illness. The insurance companies want people to get vaccinated because they believe that will keep people healthy and save the company money on more expensive medical care.

After all, which is the better financial outcome: Paying a couple hundred bucks per person for them to get a covid shot, or paying tens of thousands of dollars for each of those people to end up in the hospital for a week and nearly die? I don't personally agree that's what will happen (in fact the only people I know who've had covid have been people who got the vax), but you can see why someone would choose the former option if they genuinely believed in covid vaccines (or vaccines in general) being an effective means to prevent serious illness.

>>16226015
>>16226049
>>16226050
tl;dr - Insurance companies aren't the boogieman you think they are. Their means of maximizing profit is by reducing the cost of healthcare, it's the hospitals and doctors that make money off of increasing the price of healthcare treatments and getting more patients to undergo various treatments.

The profit motivations of healthcare providers and health insurance companies are diametrically opposed and the insurance companies' interests are more in line with the patients' than the providers' interests are. Both patients and insurance companies benefit from low healthcare costs and fewer healthcare services while hospitals and doctors benefit from high healthcare costs and more frequent healthcare services.

So much for this being a tl;dr, but my autism compels me to summarize it all.

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>I come to 4chan to spew chatgpt software output about how great insurance companies are

>>16227794
100% of those posts were hand typed by me in my own words, niggerfaggot.

>>16172743
>I fear what I cannot understand
Many such cases

>>16172814
My greatest regret in life is having a small dick.

>>16172743
Fewer shots*

>>16172803
a lil mercury in the brain builds character too.

>>16228004
this is what vaxxxxxies actually believe

More vaccines that target child illnesses being developed?

It's the science board, but it's more obtuse than b

*fewer

>>16172743
It doesnt

>>16172743
It does it by holding the parents' taxes hostage, everyone has to pay property tax which funds local public educational institutions, but you don't get to receive the value of the taxes you pay unless you inject your child with the pharma lobbyist's profitable poisons

>>16231733
Meanwhile the kids of the people who run the Pharma corporations don't go to public school

>>16226073
>Insurance companies aren't the boogieman you think they are. Their means of maximizing profit is by reducing the cost of healthcare
I personally wouldn't subscribe to what you just wrote. The reasons why I wouldn't are the following ones: You assume insurance companies to operate independently from both the medical industrial complex and from the financial sector more generally, which I doubt. If we treat the medical industry as a complex of industrial enterprises intimately linked to the financial sector, the fusion of the two allows for easy capturing of insurance companies by pharmaceutical figures. This, in fact, happens. Banks and hedgefunds are weirdly present in medical settings, especially via the tons of NGOs and charities they set up. What it means for your entire insurance policy to be captured can be clearly seen, for example, in the case of the US-American health care system, where insurance companies routinely bill abhorrent prices for very basic treatment plans. According to you, this would be impossible because any insurance company would put an end to this. However, this has been going on for decades now.
It's clear that health insurance companies don't operate independently. They're simply an extension of the financial sector, and the executives sitting there themselves profit from funneling as much money as possible from the tax payer to the companies since these insurance companies don't actually pay "with their money".
Your argument, applied to the FDA (as an example), would cause me to arrive at the similarly wrong conclusion that the FDA cannot possibly be captured by pharmaceutical enterprises because of an obvious lack of financial incentives. Similarly, your argument, applied to academic settings, would not allow the latter to be captured by pharmaceutical enterprises, yet that's what's happening.

Again, from the perspective of those responsible for distributing, printing and regulating money, money is nothing but a social construction that they can manipulate as they see fit. It's, in fact, people's weird attachment to money that makes them blind to how the financial sector actually operates. Money is a fetishized commodity, a thing, that in itself has no value, but represents something of value. You can arbitrarily increase or decrease the worth of your money by changing whatever convention has been put in place. For example, the value of a dollar bill can depend on the value of gold or silver. Now, we know that hasn't been the case anymore for a long time so its value doesn't even rest on it being linked to any kind of physical substance whose quanitty cannot be arbitrarily increased or decreased.
Concordingly, whatever policy is now put in place in regards to money, can cause millions of people to go bankrupt etc.

I have never been shot

>>16232974
children of politicians don't either

>>16172743
Poor babies. Luckily all my kids are unvaccinated, except the older one that got the covid one once because of peer pressure.

>>16196681
No. Vaccines cause permanent allergies to milk, peanuts, pollen and more because the adjuvants are priming the body to react to something and it is often the wrong thing.

Vaccines would become safer if the corporations that profit massively from producing them didn't have blanket immunity from legal responsibility for the side effects.

>>16175893
Am I stupid or when vaccines were implemented didn't the data set grow, say by whatever-fold took the vaccine? Would this be a higher and thus more accurate number? Be interesting to know the sample size in the graph.

>>16176889
To be fair, there "could" be mercury in a vaccine, I think this one of the points of anti-vaxxers although this applies to food, water and pretty much everything in this wonderful little world. Like melamine in infant formula in China. Makes ya wonder

>>16226073
If the medical industry has healthy people the cost of medical treatment becomes a shovel and bouquet. Insurance seems to be dependent on long term treatments. I've seen it with my own eyes. Insurance companies do not "foot the bill" this is non sense. Even if you're a hospital employee janitor or doctor you foot the fucking bill. Almost put in the poor house along with family because they only paid something shy of 40 percent. We were low middle class. Den of snakes. This was health insurance plan from a hospital BTW. Thanks for nothing

>>16172743
If you were born before 1996 you've inhaled toxic amounts of lead everyday of your life.
The young are much much more capable than the old.
The old are pushing these shots because there is a major flaw in vaccinology that will eliminate the profit margin so the retards are grabbing their bags and running at the expense of the next generation.
Lead brain demons.

>>16236037
>Insurance companies do not "foot the bill" this is non sense.
You pay your coinsurance on each claim until you reach your maximum out of pocket (usually in the $8k to $10k range) and then you pay 0% for the rest of the year.
>This was health insurance plan from a hospital BTW.
Sounds like a scam and not actual health insurance.

>>16236037
Theres a lot of retarded college children on /sci/ who think they know everything about all sorts of topics and their knowledge all comes watching stupid lies on TV and from lies they learned in school. They have daddy to pay all their bills for them so they like to presume everything is free because that lessens the burden of gratitude they have to feel towards daddy. Once (if ever) they end up footing the bill for their own expenses reality eventually bites them in the ass.

Insurance is based on fear no matter the type. So is the heathcare industry. Instead of directly helping people with expensive problems they attempt to perpetuate fear in everyone to lower that cost for the individual.

>>16172743
greedily

>>16237469
college kids should be banned from /sci/
if you're still in school then you are uneducated by definition and nobody wants to hear from you

>>16239807
TSMT
College kids are all dumb as shit and equalliy narcissistic and full of themselves. Zero experience in anything, yet think they're experts at everything.
Its no wonder nobody wants to hire them lol

>>16172743
Financial reasoning

>>16238441
this
>>16243086
and this