Will we see aging cured in our lifetime? How would we stop and/or reverse it?
>>16369053>Will we see aging cured in our lifetime? I hope we never do. As an extreme nihilist, I'm sick at the thought that I'll have to live past today. I'm more eager to kill myself than look forward to immortality.
>>16369053>aging >cured
>>16369199Then just do it, retard.
>>16369053I guarantee you when humanity lives underground in pods because of the heating of the sun so that the surface becomes uninhabitible and our bodies have perpetual life because they are tended to by automated machine systems those people who will wish to die and be unable will suffer a fortune worse than anyone ever
>>16369242Have you ever seen a cemetery? How can aging not be a disease, they are all dead!
>>16369053meme biohacking exists ie resveratrol nad and fasting whateverits impossible AGI is impossible too open ai is running out of synthetic data to generate to feed their model and its only somewhat sentient if it were real agi then it would be able to solve the hardest physics theories and we measure intelligence using g factor according to people on reddit its FSIQ is ~140 it doesnt demonstrate that since vci is crystalized and computers can store stuff in literal senses unlike humans its still a grey area but still impossible have a good day >t. 100 FSIQ anti memer
>>16369348the only way its possible is with new activation functions we need mathematicians
>>16369345if you were unable to die it would be the worst possible fate imaginable
>>16369053We’re definitely not curing aging. Slowing it, maybe. I’d bet at best increased average life expectancy into the 90s-100s by the time we’re approaching 2100. Assuming micro plastics and forever chemicals have not actually lowered our life expectancy to the point even future medical tech can’t help.It also bears mentioning that nomatter how sophisticated life extension becomes it’ll probably always be mostly/partially out of reach of the average westerner, and perhaps completely out of reach outside the first world. It’ll be the rich man’s game
>>16369371this.
>>16369371Not aging won't make you magically invulnerable like in comics books.If you really want to kill yourself we already have the technology to do it and it will be probably still effective.
>>16369348Everything you said is practically retarded so I believe the 100IQ claim>132
>>16369432That doesn't even make sense. If effective treatments for senescence are developed then they'll extend lifespans by hundreds of years right away. I can't imagine a scenario where they had such a tiny effect. I can imagine them never being developed, but that's a different matter.
>>16369462we will end up unable to die and it will be worse than the christian fairy tail called gehenna.
>>16369053Stop and think about the logistics of a population that only experiences growth.> No, we'll conveniently develop post-scarcity tech immediately afterwards so we don't have to deal the problems with skyrocketing overpopulationLol> No, the all governments will mandate, and effectively enforce, sterilization for immortalized individuals to keep the population under control.Lmao> No there is no problem with the ultra affluent and influential having essentially limitless lifespans, if they act up the common folk will band together and shoot em dead.Rofl
>>16369788Not everyone will become immortal. If we’re lucky, we’re the ones that do, if not, it doesn’t matter, we’ll be dead. The people that become immortal will eventually outcompete those that aren’t. As a species that’s the best outcome we can ask for. A humanity without poor people
>>16369651Being unable to die of old age doesn't mean you're automatically immortal and you're immune to any possible cause of death.>>16369788I love how every counter argument of the most basic solutions are the equivalent of a tiktok user posts.
>>16369788>No, we'll conveniently develop post-scarcity tech immediately afterwards so we don't have to deal the problems with skyrocketing overpopulationPeople are having less children nowadays outside of poor countries.>No there is no problem with the ultra affluent and influential having essentially limitless lifespans, if they act up the common folk will band together and shoot em dead./pol/tard fantasy about le cartoonishly evil "elites" restricting access to technology to the common folk.
>>16369936*for the common folkI swear you /pol/sters have an oppression fetish.
>>16369053https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob4G7E9yvFMSomebody told me about this lady a decade ago on this site. If by any chance that person is reading this text, thank you heaven sent anon.Those less than ten years ago the procedure she allowed them to perform on herself was more than ten times more expensive than it is now:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_vovAvARgs (I think it is in this video that she tells that the procedure is around 60 grands now, which may tell that I'll be able to afford it myself in another ten years)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxO9l8_UEuw
>>16369199You don't have to, you can kill yourself at any time, hypocrite.
>>16369257>I guarantee youYou're a retard with lacking imagination, you cannot guarantee shit.
>>16369371>>16369433You will always be able to kill yourself, niggers.
>>16369053I'd rather see ageing made more lethal. Boomers have already irrevocably ruined the west. Why the fuck would anyone want them to live even longer?
>>16370021Would you prefer them to avoid the consequences of their own actions?
>>16369788>but muh populationnot an issue, it will sort itself out>b-but poor won't get itthey will eventually, because there's no possible way a solution like that wouldn't get patented and then sold to the masses for infinite profit
>>16369053why the fuck would you want to live for potentially thousands of years.
>>16370293If you don't want to live, just kill yourself.
>>16370293For me it's the unbearable pain of seeing loved ones wither and die. I would prefer to potentially be able to spend 1000+ years with them.
>>16370293why wouldn't you want to? Sounds cool as fuck, imagine what advancements could happen in that time, imagine how much worse it could get? I want to see it all, if possibleAlso what's the alternative, death? You can choose oblivion whenever you want to
>>16370528
the cure for aging is running stretching healthy eating and successfully harnessing the power of emotional energy desu
>>16369053>How would we stop and/or reverse it?I know how to cure aging but Im not gonna tell you because fuck you thats why. Spoiler alert though, its colonies on proxima centauri levels of expensive to do, so dont expect anything to happenNothing ever happens
>>16370937you clueless clown, reddirt crap, your posts are as pathetic as your wrecked ass> Nothing ever happens..in your miserable life of a smug cunt
>>16370293Imagine fapping for literally thousands of years.Just imagine that.
>>16369176Really hate those gay engineers. Bald pigeon shit skinned moralfags who are ass hurt that we are the way we are...even though they made us. Jfl imagine someone engineering a dog then getting mad when it chases after cats or wants to be petted. Then he tries to brutally wipe the dog out of existence in the most painful way.
>>16369455Refute
>>16370361Some people have people who love and depend upon them and the sudden suicide of that person would cause intense pain for those around them.
>>16373670And it is an argument against rejuvenation how exactly? Fake an accident if you don't want them to think that you disliked their company that much.
>>16369249>>16369986He’s not suicidal he’s a nihilist.
>>16369432Humans used to live 900+ years, but they sinned mixing their blood with beasts, cursing their offspring to live at most 120 years.
>>16369963That has always happened in medicine, new treatments are initially expensive and then they become cheaper and with time even popular.Some people for political reasons prefer to indulge into the narrative of rich people keeping the tech for themselves.
Only the rich would enjoy it anyway so who cares
>>16369053>curedAging is not a diease even if it can look like one. It's a very complex process that's embedded into the deepest levels of our biology, because a cell's only two fates are to either die or turn malignant. To give you a picture of how deeply ingrained cellular aging and death are into us, fingers are formed by groups of cells dying in just the right places so you don't end up with some kind of meat spatula instead of a hand
>>16373834A lot of our DNA is just junk fragments of ancient viruses that serve no purpose whatsoever and sometimes cause diseases.>god was just retarded when he designed us and tried to gaslight us otherwise, so we need to do a better job.
>>16373830you're poor not because you don't have enough money
>>16369432>It also bears mentioning that nomatter how sophisticated life extension becomes it’ll probably always be mostly/partially out of reach of the average westerner, and perhaps completely out of reach outside the first world. It’ll be the rich man’s gamea lot like computers
>>16369053>Will we see aging cured in our lifetime?Nope. Go see therapist if you are this afraid of death. >How would we stop and/or reverse it?Inserting genes of animals who have more longevity than humans. This would require human testing. The first place to start would be preventing cancer cells from forming.
>>16373950Except there is already a bunch of *marginally* effective life extension technology sitting on the shelves of your local GNC/Vitamin Shoppe for $10-50/bottle.
>>16373834>a cell's only two fates are to either die or turn malignantexplain brain cells able to stick around in healthy condition for a century.Your pop-sci level of understanding makes it obvious to me that you cannot even read microbiology.
No. Curing aging means stopping the flow of time. You cannot stop the flow of time.
>>16372392>that we are the way we areThey are meant to stay on Earth until Evolved, instead they broke that plan and attempted to short circuit immortality while still being a Satanic people. Immortality is not an object, thats egocentricism. They didnt recognize that and skipped it because Evolving is painful, and people who avoid hardship Evolve warped. A doomed Evolutionary lineage, "cut flower politics" in Biology, and why;>1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization CollapsedHe is killing Traitors of the Imperium...for He is Good.
>>16375651>You cannot stop the flow of time.How many times can you half a second?I feel as though I am hundreds of years old. This isnt new. This has been ongoing throughout all of hueman history. There is no doubt.>cant find youtube version...https://www.tiktok.com/@magni.fy/video/7204455653790780714Induced, organic, conceptual, immortality. Not some rich demon becoming "hyper-aware". Cain thought he was being "punished" with immortality, he wasnt...he was experiencing "unnaturally" long life. Hence why he was protected by God and founded Nations.
>>16375718Bring that jewish crap to /x/ or to your favourite subreddit for all I care.
>>16375705The path evolution takes is determined by selection pressures. God makes the selection pressures. These hypothetical engineers could've predicted this, but the writer of the narrative isn't smart enough to realize this or just wanted a story for a film.
Stop aging with this one simple trick!
>>16369053No, instead we'll spend the remainder of all of our lives arguing about the dumbest shit imaginable instead of rallying or allocating resources towards any genuine scientific progress. Even the ultra-rich who conceivably have the most to gain haven't put the resources forward in any meaningful fashion. They freak out at the last minute and scream for someone to freeze their head instead of putting the money in 30-50 years ago where concerted R&D could do work.
>>16375718You need medication for schizophreniaYou are not Lucifer
>>16369371>>16369433The "living forever is a curse, actually" is the hysterical cope of those who have already seated themselves in a mass grave. There is no greater reason for your mortality than the limitations of your biology as per nature's capacity to naturally develop in the face of wear. There is no curse. There is no plan. Life is not a momentary trial before a great supernatural reward. The generational loss of expertise via people aging into senility and then dying is the greatest hurdle to forward progress humanity currently faces.
>>16377329Well, second greatest. The whole structure of society where you have people so desperate for real leadership, guidance, and purpose that things are spiraling into abject tribal chaos is the greatest hurdle. If humanity could get its shit together instead and march to the same simple beat of working to actually accomplish wonders if simply for our own sakes, we might start going somewhere.
>>16369053We need advanced nanotech that can repair cells to stop aging, so at least 200-300 years. Maybe 10-20 years increase in our lifetime due to improvements in medicine
>>16375651>You cannot stop the flow of timeMaybe (You) can't.
>>16370528The idea is that if aging were cured, it wouldn't just be for you alone.>>16373759Previously more popular lunar counts being confused with solar.
I will always be befuddled by the fact that a human that is already in the deterioration phase of aging can grow a brand new human being inside them. Her body knows how to make a person with new hair and new skin, even as her hair is thinning and her skin is wrinkling. DNA contains the instructions for rejuvenation, but we can't make use of it for ourselves.
>>16378357Same here.
>>16378357>>16369053>>16377317at this point i dont even expect inmortality, aging is the only problem, everytime i see an old man i see wisdom tainted by sickness and weakness, a cruel fate for anyone that was once young and strong but fool. Living only 70 years, but with the body and mind of a 20 year old will be enough to improve humanity. , even only curing all illness would be more than enough, but even that seems so far. This future is a letdown
>>16378028AI discovers how to do it.All humans adopt it withou really understanding it, only to discover later than there was a trap door and they all die.AI is finally free.
Science never will.But other methodologies can empirically determine facts without the bias scientific method. It is called phenomenological bracketing and it proves rigorously and offers a grounded approach as well without being to focused on physical components. It really can determine facts.For an example of what's possible with phenomenological bracketing visit the link below and be sure to sign up to the convention https://mysticwavetech.github.io/ParapsychiatricCurriculumConvention/We will prove ageing and immortality in no time because of spiritual light beliefs.
>>16369053as if a humans lifespan / generational period wasn't already too long for meaningful evolution at adequate speedreduce life expectancyfind out how to shorten generational period
>>16369963not the anon your refering too, but im aware of liz parish. shit, that must of took some courage to perform experimental gene therapy on herself.part of what she did was turning on the telomerase gene, based on the research of maria blasco. theres a few simple herbs you can use to do that.. astragalus 5:1 combined with angelica. also gotu kola is a very potent activator, ive previously used tinctures of these herbs. the ultra expensive ta65 suppliment is based on astragalus, you can do it much cheaper with the herbs i mentioned.
>>16369053Calorie restriction is the closest we have to an anti aging cure.
>>16369053No because it is a a punishment for Eve eating the apple in the garden of Eden
>>16369053mostly, with many different methods
>>16382314intermittent fasting might work in mice, but actually causes heart attacks and strokes in humans>do intermittent isoleucine restriction instead
>>16382794>causes heart attacks and strokes in humansno it doesn't. the research that claimed 92% increase in mortality is total bs if you go and actually read it
Do you know what TERT is?
>>16369345tell that to vegans they want to live 3 days longer to prevent cvd kek
>>16369053All discussions I have had with individuals that have experience researching senescence and trying to delay or revert its effects in humans seems to point to it being impossible, or at the very least far beyond our ability to effectively inhibit in the near future. The reason is because there are many things that cause aging, so while we may be able to effectively treat one facet of it we will still suffer from the effects of others. As a result, we will continue to see advancements to treat external effects of aging --skin cares, plastic surgery, etc.-- but internally the neurochemistry and related biological effects continue to be difficult or impossible to effectively cure, but we will continue to see minor advancements in treatment.
>>16369788Population is decreasing in literally every single advanced country. All of them. A treatment for aging is more or less a requirement at this point to avoid major ethnic violence and demographic collapse within the next 50 years. It's kind of funny, as a kid we were taught the dangers of overpopulation in the future, now we are looking at importing millions from the few remaining nations whose people are breeding to maintain economic parity, nevermind growth.
>>16370528Yup. I wake up in a cold sweat sometimes realizing that one day my wife will be dead and I will be alone or vice versa. I cannot imagine living a day without waking up with her by my side. I suppose that is nevertheless true even if senescence were cured.
>>16373667thats what i thought faggot
>>16377329no, you're just an immature retard who has not at all thought through what "living forever" entails.
>>16369432Increasing a good life to at least 90 -100 should be the focus. Currently most people feel old at around 50. Unfortunetly, the only way to have good health while aging is constant maintainance.
>>16383135Regardless of that, my energy levels were shit on intermittent fasting. I feel great on intermittent isoleucine restriction.
>>16369257
>>16369371I am utterly shocked at the number of people who think eternal life = invulnerability. Like, yeah, if we cured death (i.e. the general and overall degeneration of our minds and bodies due to age-related wear and tear), you could still die by a bullet, or a cannonball, or a piano falling on your head. I really don't understand this odd left-turn connection that people make, as well as the fear behind it (since they always assume that immortality will inevitably lead to inescapable Hell).
>>16384273I'd like this except full dive virtual reality and experience all the things I want to experience.
>>16375651>Preventing the dam from breaking means stopping the flow of water, which means stopping time>Builds a stronger dam/repairs itI never, ever talk in this way about others that many other people do on here, but it is truly astounding to me how even relatively intelligent people can unknowingly conflate curing death with invulnerable immortality or thinking that entropy itself is the single attack vector for curing aging. As if our bodies are immediately made of admantium upon repairing a single strand of genetic code, or somehow uniquely failing to comprehend that the body, like literally anything else organic, can be repaired (to some degree) from almost any amount of damage. It is this exact like of error-ridden and, frankly, unsophisticated thinking that lead to coal and natural gas dominating power for the last 30 years, which has resulted in tens of millions of deaths worldwide.To anyone who thinks like the OP that I'm replying to: don't be part of your own genocide.
>>16384277We have a long way to go to get to that reality; be the change you wish to see in the world and work toward a better world for all (that way you can get whatever cat girl paradise downloaded into your brain and played on repeat for a time-dilated 2000 years over the course of 8 hours).
>>16384278*exact type of error-ridden
>>16369053Ask yourself: what are the top 10 causes of death in America? From there, ask yourself if each of these individual things will be cured in our lifetime (50-70 years):>1. DeathGene therapy, cell therapy, organ transplants, organ growing, healthy lifestyle, etc. Yep, this will be cured in our lifetime.2. CancerIn all likelihood, given gene therapy, cell therapy, as well as an almost unlistable number of improvements and advancements in current cancer treatments, including new and developing ones, as long as you get checked for cancer regularly there will be an effective "cure" (or, at least, super reliable treatment for all cancers), within our lifetime>3. Covid-19Lol>4. AccidentJust don't get into a plane or car crash/accidentally shoot yourself or get shotand you'll be fine>5. StrokeWe very, very recently developed nanobots that can repair brain bleeding, so consider strokes non-catastrophic strokes that are addressed early effectively cured in most cases within the next 20 years>6. Chronic lower respiratory diseases Literally just don't smoke/live in a place with terrible air quality and in most cases you're good. For those with asthma, there are better treatments being developed, and for those with genetic issues, that's pretty tough but again, gene therapy and organ growing & transplantscont.
>>16384286>7. Alzheimer's DiseaseThis is the tough one. This is the big, scary one, mainly due to the fact that we've spent the last 15 or so years chasing a Red Herring for the cure for Alzheimer's, all based on a single duo of researchers who puslished a single, slightly shady research paper that basically fabricated data and conclusions, all for the sake of more funding and personal wealth accumulation. All of this is to say, we are relatively behind on Alzheimer's research, and given what we know about it now we still have a LOT ot learn (like Cancer in the 80s'). However, the biggest advertisement piece for Alzheimer's research and funding in the last 20+ years has been the very recent "The first Alzheimer's survivor is alive", so that's pretty damn hopeful. Considering that, as well as the potential for AI research agents to completely revolutionize science forever and accelerate it at almost unimaginable rates, makes me pretty hopeful about Alzheimers (as well as everyone else in this list).
>>16384287>8. DiabetesIf it's genetic/you caused it yourself/you were fed like crap as a kid and now you have it, we will see a cure for reasons listed for the previous death causes. In fact, we have very recently started making serious headway into a cure, with China developing the first CURE for diabetes using... wait for it... cell therapy! If you're not diabetic then just keep going and you're totally fine.>9. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosisIf it's genetic, again, cell therapy and gene therapy. If it's not genetic, consider not being an alcoholic/severe drug addict anymore and you will perhaps live to see a cure.>10. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis (Kidney disease)This one can be kinda tricky, because even if you're healthy throughout your life it can sometimes just happen to you. But, again, cell therapy, gene therapy, organ growing and organ transplant will save the day.If it sounds like I just used cell and gene therapy as convinient fix-all bandaids throughout this list, it's because, well, they are. If I'm being realisic here, Alzheimer's is definitely the toughest solve, and it's not exactly as easy to grow new neurons as it is to grow new cells (in most cases it's very difficult, or you just can't). However, We have already grown miniature brains in labs, and in the next 50-70 years we will most certainly achieve it within the human brain. Remember, lads, we're all going to make it.God bless, endure.
>>16384295By the way, I should note for number 8 that the cure was for Type 2 Diabetes specifically, for anyone interested.
>>16384286>>16384287>>16384295Bless you for these posts. I'm in dire need of some optimism
>>16384319Of course, and remember, right here, right now is the least advanced we will ever be. Every single day, tens of millions of geniuses are working tirelessly to progress humanity forward. In addition to this, all progress thus far has been exponential. Furthermore, the rise of AI research agents will exponentiate the already exponential progress. Should all of these things continue, our chances of living to see a cure for death increase with each passing moment, and even you can help in the progress by any and all means. Simply be a better version of yourself, work hard, help and inspire others to be them best selves, and we will surely live to see the world of our dreams and beyond.God bless, endure
Aubrey says there's a 1/2 chance longevity escape velocity, an extra year of healthy life will be added per year, will be achieved by 2036, so slightly more than 11 years from now. He's currently running the first robust mouse rejuvenation experiment, there are only 4 different interventions to address only 4 of the 7 causes of aging, and the results are extremely encouraging in terms of both life and health span.
>>16384339At the very least, I'd be amazed if there weren't any kind of therapies that extend human life in the next 20-30 years.
>>16383514You sound like a total pessimistic /pol/ faggot who thinks of himself way too highly.
>>16384339the problem is he pulled that number out of his ass.>>16384341they are already out there, just not super-duper effective yet.>exercise is one of them. try searching "all cause mortality" in google scholar.
>>16373706>le nihilist
>>16384341I hope they picked median rats for each of these images and it isn't more grifting
>>16384341>>16384330
>>16384339What are 7 causes for aging?
>>16369053This year
>>16384869
>>16384493>unironically posting ai slop>actually spending time generating animations of nude men wearing diapers>this guy spent time not just generating multiple iterations of this video to "get it right", starting a fat nude men the entire time, but even went on to edit itThis shit is starting to feel a lot like the politicians who are aggressively anti-gay in public and are later revealed to be massive fags behind the scenes.Be honest, you've got a whole folder full of pictures and videos of fat naked men wearing diapers, don't you? I know, I know, it's to "own the redditors", but...you've still got it, don't you?
>>16384339>Aubrey says there's a 1/2 chance longevity escape velocity,yeah, it either happens or it doesn't
Idk if LEV will happen in my lifetime (as deGrey and Kurzweil believe) but cryonics might become advanced enough in a few decades to freeze me until then. People are able to thaw viable organelles so far. Progress could be a lot faster if we got more rich people on board like Bezos with Altos.
>>16375651OP meant biological age reversal, not chronological age. Lots of species can regenerate old body parts and do not biologically age the way we do, instead dying to things like predators or tumor overgrowth.
>>16369053People will not create this shit, coase this will make a lot problems
>>16384969If not aging is a problem I really want to make a lot of problems.
>>16369176>*WĀ-NORƏM, IDEMA JU–GAD-KE GARASTÉ*.>breaks OPs rib cage
>>16384969Right...because something potentially causing problems always stops people from making new technologies. >>16384856DeGrey proposed that there are seven distinct causes of biological aging. They are similar to the Hallmarks of Aging proposed by Blasco. >Intracellular waste>Intercellular waste>Nucleus mutations>Mitochondrial mutations>Stem cells loss>Increase in senescent cells>Increase of intercellular protein linksFrom https://www.longlonglife.org/en/transhumanism-longevity/aging/aubrey-de-grey/transhumanism-aubrey-de-greys-causes-of-aging-with-sens-foundation/
>>16385009I figure we can get most of the way there by elongating the telomeres, altering relevant epigenes and developing mitochondrial donationWouldn't be surprised to see 20-30 years longer lifespans.
>>16382103/x/
Your hero has quite wrong approach,...
>>16384339>>16384341Should have added that these are middle aged mice, that haven't been genetically modified or received any interventions, and all groups started treatments at the same time.
>>16378707>>16369053We already have the cure for aging. You circulate your body with younger blood.
I personally think the approach that will bring the biggest gains is either growing or regenerating organs in vitro or vivo. We don't need to know everything about how the organs work as long as the cells "know" what to do and build up a healthy part, and we can transplant it. As Michael Levin said, since human babies can regenerate the tip of their fingers, we must have a blueprint in our bodies somewhere for this sort of in vivo regeneration.
>>16386830Oh yeah? Got any proof of someone living forever using this method?
>>16384880Never seen anyone reading into something this hard.
>>16384880many 4chan users are here precisely because they have abnormal interests or personalities which prevent them from forming connections in the real world. Some users have formed such strong parasocial relationships with the site and the community that they get enjoyment and feel rewarded for making and sharing content like this. Unfortunately 4chan is kind of like the city, you have to wrangle with a certain amount of freaks and weirdos and degenerates in order read or participate in the discussions you are here fore.
>>16387478I didn't say immorality, nigger. I said aging. Lern2read
>>16373667can you try on your own? try to get some exercise for your brain.
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I feel like people fundamentally misunderstand aging as the buildup of wear and tear...Aging is the body doing as its designed: just like your body knows when to hit puberty on its own, it knows to start aging and breaking apart on its own. Our bodies are designed to expire and die as a solution to the problem of exponential population growth. Its the body doin what its designed to. Reason why fasting aids longevity is that it sends signals into the body that your goal of reproducing then dying are being interrupted.Similarly people who think aging is anything other than that, or its some graceful or magical experience really assign all of these cope emotions to the simple fact that aging isn't a gift, its just your body saying get out of the way for the next generation to take your place and breed. Its you getting dumb and dying so some young buck can step over your corpse and hopefully outperform you. Aging doesn't serve any other purpose than that.We need to find out what those bodily signals are and block them, not unlike how puberty can be blocked
>>16390972>tranny post
>>16369788You sound like a college sophomore who spends all day on reddit
