Why do the large majority of people believe Mathematics to be strictly computations?If a young person insinuates this then I just believe they're trolling (because they usually are) but old people are such fucking disgusting creatures that if you claim to be a Physicist or Engineer and make a silly arithmetic error they label you as unworthy in their eyes-even though this person probably couldn't find out the area of a triangle if their life depended on it.Are these people just bitter because they couldn't get into STEM at a younger age? so they use whatever excuse they have to cast doubt on the entirety of abstract thought?
>>16380160Only computer engineer (gay babies) believe this I suggest you seek out better friends
>>16380160>Are these people just bitterthey literally just don't know what mathematics is lol
>>16380160Are you retarded? Obviously that's how they learned math in school. In school you never see proofs and homework is just a dozen "solve this linear equation" problems.
>>16380160Dunning-Kruger is apparent.You'll have the least informed people with the strongest opinions on just about everything.
>>16380160How would mathematics not be strictly computation? Isnt that like the very definition of mathematics? Its very core? Even algebra is still computation of unknowns
>>16382664I dunno. Topology is kinda wacky.
>>16382664>How would mathematics not be strictly computation?Because its full of incalculable irrational, imaginary, infinite, and indeterminate values.
>>16382689Irrational numbers are computable.
>>16382743Then compute the last digit of pi.
>>16382747There is no last digit, but you can compute any arbitrary digit.
>>16382782>but you can compute any arbitrary digit.>any arbitraryThem compute the number pi digit of it.
>>16382782>There is no last digit,Then you aren't actually computing it, you are giving up at whatever arbitrary point your memory space limits you.
>>16380160>Why do the large majority of people believe Mathematics to be strictly computations?I don't even know what you mean by that but I imagine it's just a bunch of pretentious horseshit, right? Math is math, we all know what math is, no need to try to make it into something it's not>probably couldn't find out the area of a triangle if their life depended on it.See picrel
>>16382786You can compute arbitrarily close to the value.
>>16382791No, even if you stopped at the first 3, your arbitrary last calculable digit is always infinitely far from any actual last digit, there is only a relatively small finite amount of calculable digits compared to the infinite incalculable number of digits that exist in the sequence, so you are always infinite digits away from computing the actual value.
>>16382796>actual last digitThis doesn’t exist.in a sense, you’re right in that you can always compute an infinite number of more digits, but those dogits are still computable.
>>16382807>doesn’t existWhich is why there are infinite incalculable digits in the sequence. > but those dogits are still computable.But pi itself, like all irrational numbers is not.
>>16382807>you can always compute an infinite number of more digitsNo, you can only compute a finite number of digits, yet there is still an infinite number that can not be which is why it is not actually calculable, the amount of incalculable digits will always vastly overwhelm the amount of calculable ones.
>>16382812>>16382814All “digits” are computable, only constrained by time and space.
>>16382859*Except of course for the last digit, L, and the last infinite, L-∞ , digits as has been explained.
>>16380160Any math that isn’t computable is irrelevant and fake. The law of the excluded middle and the axiom of choice are the worst things to happen to math.
>>16382862Is there an equal chance of the next digit of pi to be any number 1-9? If so, couldn't you just say that the last digit is a random number between 1-9? This is all stupid anyway, but still
>>16382873>If so, couldn't you just say that the last digit is a random number between 1-9?Sure, if you are just saying random numbers instead of making calculations, but if you admit that irrational numbers can't be calculated, then you don't have to cope with the fact that you will have to churn out infinite arbitrary strings of numbers instead of ever actually calculating the value of an irrational number.
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>>16382876Yes that is just as likely to be the last digits of pi as anything else since you can never actually calculate the value of pi.
I flicked my boner.
>>16382880How did it fall off and why did you flick it instead of reattaching it?
>>16382882There are new lives because I didn't. I ackhyqlly learned about the sky after.
>>16382875But it is calculated, isn't it? It's a random number between 1-9? That's calculated lol
>>16382887No, that is random arbitrary choice, not a calculation.
>>16382892Left leg, now
>>16382895No, I command you to stop being an illiterate retard instead.
>>16382892A computer wouldn't have any problem calculating it, just tell it to give you a random number between 1 and 9. Poof, calculated
>>16382900You still underestimate me.All mental allsEven some physicals with weight of poo.
>>16382900My trance moment is 'now-of-a-certain-grade'
>>16382900Computers can't generate random numbers, only pseudo-random and the calculation they use to make the pseudo-random output is inconsistent with the calculation for digits of pi.
>>16382909Blahblahblah so make up some letter that stands for "a random number between 1-9" and insert that into your faggy equation and be done with it then
>>16382919That is a variable not a calculation.They already did a much more accurate version of that when they used the sixteenth letter of the greek alphabet as a placeholder for the arbitrary partial calculations of 3.1.. to represent the ratio of a circle's circumference and diameter.
>>16382947>much more accurate version of thatIf there is an equal chance of the final digit of pi being any number between 1-9, then how is there anything more accurate than just saying that it's a random number between 1-9? I mean, over the course of fucking infinity this must be the case, right? That is, unless it's NOT equally likely to be 1-9I don't fucking know, I'm not a god damn mathematician, I'm just going off common sense and one or two sentences off of wikipedia here. To me this all seems pretty much pointless
>>16382980>If there is an equal chance of the final digit of pi being any number between 1-9There isn't an equal chance, just like there wasn't an equal chance that the first digit was random or anything other than 3, you are just doing some retarded coping to compensate for the fact you are wrong and irrational numbers can't actually be calculated, only estimated.
