Splashdown! editionPrevious >>16380173
Very nice, is the platform an entire ship or something else?
>>16382663https://space-offshore.com/spacex
>>16382658What's microgravity food prep like? They have microwave ovens up there, right?
>>16382677Tiangong has a microwave. ISS has some kind of water heater for reheating food because they're worried about the microwaves fucking up some science experiment. idk about dragon, I think they might just eat stuff room temperature there.
>>16382677They do on the Tiangong, not on the ISS because that fucker is old as shit
>>16382658Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually
>>16382685>Glass the Earthone day anon, one day...
>>16382679the ISS had an oven go up as an experiment once a few years ago, they made cookies
>>16382691https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuLAVxrtWy0
>>16382663Ship.
>>16382679I would've sworn i read somewhere that the chinese dropped their microwave for the same reason, but i can't find anything on affirming or denying either.
>>16382696>Glassed AfricaOk but there may also be a flood outbreak in India. It's just a hunch, but it's better to be safe than sorry
my new favorite animehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzYZzDJ41Ls
>>16382677Humans have been in space CONTINUOUSLY for 25 years, and yet we STILL do not know how to cook food and have sex. What the FUCK are they doing up there?
scott manley is a cuck
>>16382745Based
>>16382740>implying
>>16382713I wanna fuck the Moon (Luna)
>>16382745>somehow a cuck despite having a wife and children
>>16382792that is no way contradictory
>>16382792stupid frogposter
pretty interesting that raptor 3 vs 2 gives like 20 tonnes more payload just due to decreased gravity lossses
"I know! Uggh!"
>>16382815hmm what is Tesla doing?
>>16382817"Don't make me say Uggh! again but with an added frowny face emoji."
>>16382815>>16382819wtf I love Ars comments now??
> colonise Mars> obliquity shifts so it has a 60 degree axial tilt Does Elon have a plan for this?
>>16382658>can only land in one area of water>cant land on land eitherbro...
>>16382815>>16382819its always the same arguments over and over by these people. you can explain it a million times to them and they still come at you with the same arguments every article. at this point they need to append a FAQ to every article.
>>16382832they wouldn't read it, I wouldn't be surprised if these people didn't even read the articlejust see the headline, read the first paragraph and then commet
Does jeff foust have EDS?
>>16382836>I wouldn't be surprised if these people didn't even read the articleme for most of the articles...i just read the headline and subheadline then the first few comments unless its an article im really interested in
>>16382838you should at least skim them
>>16382837Tiny bit. Showed during his takeover of twitter. But usually doesnt let his article be influenced by it
>>16382842That’s the impression I get. Neutral article but every now and then he drops lib-coded tweets with a hint of seethe
>>16382855
>>16382839I just let others here skim it and then I skim their posts
>>16382832>its always the same arguments over and over by these people. you can explain it a million times to them and they still come at you with the same arguments every articleGradually, I came to hate them.
>>16382870I have done 'that'
This was a thing.
>>16382889stealth in space doesn't exist.
Roscosmos moved away from producing rockets. Trams are more profitable and more useful to society
>>16382891You could try to hide behind a star or planet, but it would be pretty easy to send a satellite into orbit to check.
Move over Hubble.https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1835590890116559257
>>16382899I wanted to find Roscosmos's website to try to prove a point but it doesn't even seem to exist anymore. What the hell is going on with them?
>>16382918>born too early to enjoy the fruits of starship-sized telescopesyjk its going to take nasa 40 years to launch something decent
>>16382918Will the government not freak out at SpaceX doing something like that?
Anyone else see someone in a spacesuit holding a baby? I love irl kino
>>16382929that looks like false colorpossibly shopped too
>>16382855Proto-Devo.
>>16382929Sucks that nebulas are too faint to look like that to the naked eye from even a nearby world
>>16382941>>16382855BE SPACE, B-ABIES BE SPACEBREATHE HARD IN METAL SUITSLIVE RIGHT, WALK ON THE MOON BE SPACE
spacex launches their competitors payloads and keeps their prices relatively close to the competition even though they could drive them down much more massively basically making it impossible for others to launch at allRocketlab is still launching plenty of rockets (just had their 50th launch), Amazon bought out the launches from Ariane, ULA and Blue Origin for yearsSpaceX is just cheaper and better and has higher cadencewould other providers have much more cadence if SpaceX just disappread? probably not much
>>16382740Making Alabama a lot of money
>>16382903yeah you might try and hide using larger celestial bodies but that would limit where people have to look and if you have any kind of heliocentric surveillance ring that becomes moot too.
>>16382959SpaceX created the commercial industry. Multiple dozen space companies rely upon SpaceX and particularly Starship. Then further hundreds prob relying upon Starship in the future
>>16382967ARE WE NOT MEN? WE ARE ASTRONAUTS.
>>16382979>SLS/oldspace/MICPeople here don't want to talk about this for some reason but MIC companies, while obviously they're slow to pivot, have the best position (scientists, manufacturing base, funding, government connections and lobbyists) to advance space. SpaceX definitely has early mover advantage but in the long run it's going to be Lockheed, BAE, Boeing etc dominating space with economies of scale
>>16382988(you)
>>16382988Dude, the MIC companies are abandoning the space industry cause they can't compete. Hilariously no one even wants their space assets cause they're so bad.
>>16382988Most intelligent people realise this, once they really get going and offer starlink competitors and services that provide the same services as Starship, spacex won't even be able to compete with the salaries. What SpaceX is doing is admirable (trailblazing) but in the long run when the tech gap evens out, it's going to come down to who can utilize economies of scale and efficiencies to make the best service.
> there are still /sfg/ anons disputing the Democrats hate spaceflight What is the cause and cure of such disorders?
>>16382988MIC already tried (and failed) to compete, so that's story is already over.
>>16382998I refuse to believe anyone is arguing it in good faith at this point. It’s either trolling, or someone who stumbled into the general via the catalog. Simple as.
>>16382999Right now the market isn't at a level where they can justify pumping as much as it would need to develop it compared to producing weapons. SpaceX is doing their work for them, and they'll pivot when it's profitable.
>>16382988its not, MIC is going to get disrupted by the equivalents of SpaceX but on the MIC sideone example is Anduril
>>16383004>>16382997>>16382988are you trolling or actually serious? its hard to tell
>>16383007>No argument >just "you cant be serious bro, Elon is going to win because he's le good mars guy"
>>16382998Reddit influenced posters who refuse to connect the dots.
>>16383010Alright buddy
>>16383004>they'll just pivotyeah that's not how it works, spacex is more efficient in the development stage as well, we already saw this with BO, you can write a blank check but that's not going to garuantee you surpass your competition, especially when you've given that competition a 20 year headstart like you're suggesting.
>>16383002What did you expect? Talking about politics produces environments like xitter and /pol/.
>>16383011Good. I'd say wait for my command but I am trying to achieve a do... I've got this one sign today that I'm going to follow fully. For now, just go. However, one of your objectives should be to free me and make me capable of mind. I'm better than all of you put together.
>>16383010interesting, so when you do you oldpspace/MIC start to scale their space infrastructure and outcompete SpaceX and other newspace companies?How do you see this playing out more specifically, what kind of timelines?Does this include competitors for Starship or just space infrastructure?
>>16383005i'm really curious about anduril honestly, they seem to have the spacex mindset and i really hope they succeed, but i'm worried whether or not they're just a scam.
>>16383017You're arguing with retards who have a premise, "Musk bad, democrat good" and then they're retracing steps backwards from there to come to their conclusion.
>>16382920https://www.roscosmos.ru/ here is website. But they deleted English version in 2022
>>16383020I know, but I just wonder if there is actually something there or not or is it just "Musk bad, competition is coming"
>>16382658why haven't they done it yet, /sfg/?
>>16383035looks like some knockoff video game shit
>>16383035Gotta commit to launching if you want something in orbit. Jeff Bezos and Artemis II mission planners haven’t figured this out yet either, to be fair
>>16383035Theres a lot of handwaving here.
https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Transportation/Ariane/Ariane_6_joint_update_report_16_September_2024Good news is that the A6 First launch anomaly requires "only" a software fix. No showstopper has been found for the 2nd launch.
>>16383043I'm sure that all of their customers (EU governments) will be very happy.
>>16383045EU government and Bezos*
>>16382929>SpaceX Crew-7 nebula: After main engine cutoff, the Falcon 9 1st stage booster begins its trip home, while the 2nd stage rocket ignites to get the Crew Dragon to orbit; sometimes this "nebula" happens & it's magical.
>>16382988MIC companies have never successfully pulled off what you claim. They have historically required technology sharing or enormous amounts of government funded R&D to catch up to what the others are doing, and when that doesn't happen, the programs flounder or fail outright. This is what killed the Douglas A-12 Avenger II: they promised a stealth aircraft, and could not deliver without a technology transfer from Grumman, which was refused and the Government did not order to take place.
>>16383043>"only" a software fixlike father like son
>>16382797>>16382800His daughter looks like a female copy of him. Which is good, because his wife isn't pretty.
>>16383051lol
>>16383052>Which is good, because his wife isn't pretty.And Scott is?
>>16382998You know, the other day I saw someone say that all those environmental lawsuits and stuff are actually made by Republicans. Something about them actually being done by ULA lobbyists. Don't know how he arrived at that conclusion, but it was an interestingly fresh opinion
>>16383021>403 forbiddenLooks dead to me
Can someone explain to me why people keep bringing up Biosphere 2 when talking about Mars colonization?
>>16383063how quickly they forget
>>16383066It's brought up by anti-space activists who use it to try to argue living on mars is impossible. Unaware it failed for mismanagement rather than technical reasons and that similar tests have been done much more successfully.
>>16383066Because it was a project led by passion and money from a dedicated person, to explore self-sustainability, and it was a huge failure. Obviously easy for uninformed normies to make an [incorrect] 1:1 comparison and point out how a Mars colony would similarly collapse.They don’t do research on the topic though. If they did, they would see that Biosphere 2 was lead by unqualified hippie pot-addicted freaks who just wanted an excuse to shag eachother and rot in a place where they didn’t have to pay rent or “be a part of the system, man”
>>16382680We had microwaves in the 90s, dumbass
>>16383066nobody has brought it up since 2002
>>16383066The lack of such experiments now tells us more than the failure of that particular one
>>16382792>never heard of Nick Rekieta
>>16383079>>16382745Fuck off
>>16383077Please elaborate
>>16383075It's not about the microwaves themselves, it's about being able to handle a sudden and sporadic 800W load
>>16382959troll or retard?either way, fuck off
>>16382959>SpaceX monopoly is badYou revolting commie scum, how dare you."uuoooohh we can't have a US company eating the entire launch market! my precious competition! kneecap the superior company at once!" No, the answer is to make everybody else like SpaceX, not drag them down to match oldspace fuckers. "Space X monopoly", go straight to hell with this retarded shit.
>>16382976>would other providers have much more cadence if SpaceX just disappread? probably not muchYou could offer those assholes thousands of times what SpaceX charges and they wouldn't meaningfully innovate or increase launch cadences. How do we know for sure? Because that is exactly what happened in the last 50 years.
>>16383082No one is planning for a serious off world colony right now. If your colony size scales linearly with imported consumables you're thinking about an outpost at most.
>>16383093why did britain just give up
>>16383094The fact is that there's simply not enough of a space premium on earth to make a permanent 'colony' (as opposed to an outpost/scientific base) something that anybody would care to do commercially. Space habitats and manufacturing on the other hand, certainly.
>>16382988You're a fucking retard. Having the best resources and still getting poor results is the most damning indictment of an organization. If an organization is sufficiently short on funds or human resources then failure might be inevitable, but to have everything necessary and still fail means the organization itself is the problem.Such organizations should be terminated and the resources freed up to go to other organizations with some possibility of success.This is sometimes called "creative destruction."
>>16383094Musk is, you need to build the outpost first before you start scaling superlinearly with ISRU
>>16383097Britain has been on a slow decline since the second world war. Mostly due to people no longer believing in human potential.
So when are we gonna make a space elevator(I want to see a polymerized one connect from here to mars like a giant slinky made of graphene.) Cuz all this stuff on this thread goes to waste without it. Seriously, we don't have the oil and NO one has the money for endless amounts of rockets.
>>16383094I agree with your sentiment about a colony vs an outpost, but you fail to consider that a) Musk is the king of supply chains and exponential growth (“order of magnitude” might as well be his bingo card free space), andb) he is autistically serious about Mars and to say landing there is out of scope for him would be foolish when he is now flying a super heavy lift rocket designed to go there
>>16383093looks like that thing is designed to board enemy spacecraft
>>16383105>I want to see a polymerized one connect from here to mars like a giant slinky made of graphene.I'm curious as to how you think this interacts with the sun.
>>16383103Seems to not be an uncommon theme across all of Western society right now, unfortunately. We are in a death spiral and it’s accelerating.
>>16383103>Britain has been on a slow decline since the second world warit begins earlier with the Fabians getting a foothold
>>16383108Well what I was thinking was maybe use the sun as kind of "joint" that the graphene string would orbit around in tandem with earth and other planets that might be connected to graphene string. The biggest problem I see is that would take A LOT of graphene but it might be possible to find ways to make more in the future. idk but I think something like this is possible.
https://x.com/ThierryBreton/status/1835565206639972734EU head targeting Musk got fired
>>16383111Nah, or least ww2 is why they could mess things up. Ww2 ruined britains finances and the suez crisis ruined britains confidence in itself. After that decolonization sealed the deal.
>>16383115don't take this as a signal that the EU is somehow getting less censorious, they fired him because he did this solo and whats worse, he embarrassed the EU
>colonies>habitats>rotating spacecraftWhy is everyone so excited about people boarding suicide missions? Grab some asteroids and start dismantling them. Bring down a kiloton of copper for starters.
>>16383094Someone is seriously planning for it. Making gay autistic plans for how to factorio on Mars is much less important than having an overall plan in broad strokes and making significant progress on the parts of the plan that are immediately realizable.Why? Because you can't design habitation modules to be carried and landed by spacecraft with currently unknown performance and specifications. You can't design an economy around processes that have never even been performed once.
>>16383113>idk but I think something like this is possible.I want you to look at something for me
>>16383121Copper is not terribly expensive. Getting it from asteroids and bringing it to earth is insane.
>>16383121That would only be $9 million dollars lol>asteroid mining fags
>>16383123well you could but those plans might have to be thrown into the trash, when the actual specs are known so its wasted effort
>>16383121Maybe we could get silicates, too!
>>16383121>Why is everyone so excited about people boarding suicide missionsI'd rather live in a well constructed orbital habitat with robust monitoring than half of earth where I might randomly get hit by a natural disaster or have the government devalue my neighbourhood by 50% with section 8 tenants, or have some retard cripple me for life driving drunk on a stroad
>>16383128Fair enough
>>16383123>design an economyThe great thing about an economy is you don't have to design one. SpaceX can just say they're building a city, and they're willing to buy the materials to do it locally for any amount less than the value of the item + launch costs. It would represent a good rush for mining and primary production companies. Copper as an example would be 90% launch cost, so mining and processing it on Mars means you could sell it for $150/kg. With those processes set up you could get into second order processes with the same system, and then third, and then sell to people that live there, and then you have a self sustaining economy
>>16383127>>16383126asteroid mining doesn't have to mean you toss the raw materials to earth, zero gravity manufacturing and processing would be absolutely huge and take down the cost basis quite a bit especially as reusable rocket tech keeps progriessing
>>16383137>zero gravity manufacturing and processing would be absolutely hugeWhy? Who is the customer? Also, a kiloton is four starship launches. You think you're setting all that up and running it for cheaper than an Earth commodity+launch?
>>16383130Why won't the last two happen on some spacecraft as well?
>>163831401) Self sufficient colony will govern itself, no rehousing poor people from earth to an immensely expensive hab unit in earth/mars/venus orbit2) Why would people be flying a spaceship inside an orbital habitat? Let alone while drunk.
>>16383115What was he trying to do against musk again?Sorry, theres too many people targeting him and I lose track.
>>16383139I'm not >>16383121 who you replied to initially to clarify:>Why?Microgravity is a great climate for a lot of different industries to perform manufacturing in a cheaper way than is possible on earth - check out this report from McKinsey for some examples: https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/aerospace-and-defense/our-insights/the-potential-of-microgravity-how-companies-across-sectors-can-venture-into-space>Who is the customer?Anybody who would normally be the customer, though naturally it makes most sense for companies to commission or self manufacture stuff that it meant to be in space - something like a space drydock where ships that wouldn't be feasible to launch from earth could be built in-situ.>You think you're setting all that up and running it for cheaper than an Earth commodity+launch?For general commodities? Not initially, no. The idea is that it would grow horizontally from being the manufacturing base for other spacecraft and satellites.
>>16383137>you know what would make this process better?>an extremely expensive facility that's extremely expensive to run and extremely expensive to get to
>>16383147Right before the Elon/45 twitter spaces this guy, without approval, issues a “formal” EU letter saying Musk should refrain from allowing the spaces to happen because of muh disinformation and threw in a bunch of implied threats as a form of intimidation. The EU got pissed because this letter didn’t go through any sort of formal approval and was just overall a terrible look. As the other anon said, they’re only throwing him out because he jeopardized the perceived power of the EU. Not because it was morally wrong (which it absolutely was)
>>16383156To be fair it's difficult for normal people to imagine the insane magnetic pull of the temptation for people afflicted with the TDS/EDS combo to randomly abuse their power in order to inconvenience them both at once
>>16383137lmfao at the hand waving here.>bro just bring down the cost and process it on-siteWhat a genius you are
>>16383159>management consultants, NASA, SpaceX: This is a huge opportunity>mcdonalds employee of the month on /sfg/: This sucks and it's impossible
>>16383152>Microgravity is a great climate for a lot of different industries to perform manufacturing in a cheaper way than is possible on earthI'll believe it when I see it.
>>16383152>>16383163I’m just curious: why do you think we are not currently processing materials for asteroids right now? Beyond “it just hasn’t been tried”Have you even considered WHY it isn’t done right now, from an economics standpoint? Everyone here is disagreeing with you because everyone else knows what they are talking about
>>16383124So looking at that, you'd want the "slinkly" to be as elastic as possible and the highest tensile strength possible which is a defining property of graphene. So that when the 2 planets get to places like opposite sides of the sun, it'll be able to maintain its form, the question is 1 how do you tether the graphene string around the sun while also let it orbit a certain path around the sun(without burning up) while still being connected to the surface of each planet,without breaking.Whichever way you go about this, it's FAR more effecient to drag cargo along a structure with some kind of electric motor than cramming a whole bunch of junk into thousands of rockets over a VERY long period of time so that we can "be multiplanetary." As human life takes a LOT of resources to sustain especially on other planets.However, I came up with a solution to reduce our footprint overall here on earth just as well as other planets: it's called living, eating,breathing, shitting *in a suit of armor* rather than a house or large structure. :)
>>16383165>>16383166There's research ongoing right now which hopefully we'll see the results of next yearhttps://www.nasa.gov/missions/station/nasa-selects-proposals-to-enable-manufacturing-in-space-for-earth/Genuinely exciting stuff.
>>16383166You sound like the people who said booster reuse would never work.
>>16383163NASA and SpaceX are most certainly not saying it’s a huge opportunity kek. Are unicorns also real in your perceived reality of the world?
>>16383171This is a completely different ball game. Even if your launch costs were FREE it would still be cheaper to mine for and process raw materials here on earth. For anything. Including rare earth metals, common ores, you name it.You would lose money by processing asteroids, period. This isn’t booster reuse speculation against the market of rocket reuse profits.
>>16383123And see that's where I disagree. You can reduce a human 'footprint' to use overall less resources by living in a suit of armor 24/7. also makes way for extra storage on a rocket if you reduce a human 'footprint' that much if we find a way to make a human living sustainably in that suit of armor.
>>16383165it's actually a way to make expensive things even more expensively that can't be done on earth. like specialized drugs and high quality fiber optics and uhh... ummm uhhh...
>>16383166>Have you even considered WHY it isn’t done right now, from an economics standpoint? Everyone here is disagreeing with you because everyone else knows what they are talking aboutit is being done right now retard, varda launched a test for pharma development last year via spacexhttps://x.com/VardaSpace/status/1668395454852390912
>>16383177Did you have to repeat a class or two in K-12? Lots of parent teacher conferences, I assume?
>>16383170There's a (small) business case for making pharmaceuticals otherwise impossible to make on earth etc., yes.Manufacturing anything in space that can be made on earth in space is a non-starter.
>>16383174>Even if your launch costs were FREE it would still be cheaper to mine for and process raw materials here on earthThis is what asteroid mining fags will never understand >bu bu but Issac Arthur said robots would do itFuck off
>>16383179>it's not possible>o-ok maybe it's possible but just for pharma which doesn't count>ok fine maybe semiconductors too which also don't count>[YOU ARE HERE]
>>16383182It's very apt that you haven't listed anything under [YOU ARE HERE]
>>16383184kek
>>16383176Grow marijuana on Haven-1, market as space weed and sell them to potheads. It's just that easy.
>>16383184There's a great business case for plenty of other stuff which have already been mentioned:>modular spacecraft>organ farms>stem cellsAnd presumably there's some halfway viable business case for whatever else NASA is testing which I haven't looked into
>>16383181Nta, but of course would the work be done by robots. Humans would add a whole world, a literal liveable space of added cost.
>>16383190You can't have robots in space even though 99% of modern manufacturing is done mechanically with engineer oversight>why?YOU JUST CAN'T OK
>>16383189Stop watching soi-fi slop on youtube and browsing through speculative futurism reddit comments, dummy. We all would like you to join us here in the real world.
>>16383182How many pills do you think a starship can carry? Quick math says 500,000,000. Using SpaceX's ideal starship numbers gets you a shipping cost of 0.004 dollars per pill. Even if all in manufacturing is ten times that, you're only talking a couple cents. This does not scale to commodities measured by the kilogram. >>16383191>robot breaks several AU from the nearest human being
>>16383192the real world... as in actively being developed by private industry and NASA?>>16383170
>>16383190This has NOTHING to do with labor costs. Where do you people come from??I’ll break it down for you: I want an apple. My nextdoor neighbor Jerry has an apple tree. My aunt Tilda, who lives 18 miles away, also has an apple tree. It would cost less for me to walk over to Jerry’s and grab and apple versus the cost of driving to and from my aunt’s house for the same apple.
>>16383191Reminds me of the union strike of german rail workers. Fuckers literally put less automation in their demands.
>>16383170This is just a scam they use to steal money from taxpayers. None of this will ever do anything.
>>16383197Are you drunk?
>>16383197The way I explain it is to think of space like mount everest. Imagine the expense of mining that peak or building a factory there. Even if transportation is free that's difficult and it isn't free. Starship cheapening launch costs still makes it 100x more expensive than next day air from the US to China
>>16383181The only scenario in which asteroid mining makes sense is if you were building something inside that asteroid, i.e. a base on Ceres or VestaLater thinkers pivoted to electromagnetic launches of material as "free" delta-v for getting the stuff somewhere useful
>>16383207How do you catch what you launch?
>>16383169Get off the drugs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fMA7Sq7K5I
>spaceflight thread>nooo, space ventures are useless. They'll never grow to anything!>Don't even bother trying or even imaginingThen what the fuck are you doing here?
>>16383211>why aren’t you guys seriously considering wormholes and black hole drives and constant 1g ships??Because this isn’t an isaac arthur comment section?
>>16383206People sold cans filled with air from mount everest. I'm sure luxury brands could think of a way to capitalize on made in space materials.
>>16383206it's actually easier to mine asteroids than mount everest.
>>16383211We talk about near term tech between actual launches in these threads. There is money to be made in space via coms and Earth observation, but that's pretty much it. We're all Mars freaks here but we don't pretend even that will ever make money. The opposite actually, the richest man on Earth is going to burn through his resources in their entirety just to set up a self sustainable city. No material payoff at all, just making something cool happen
>>16383176reliably superconducting LK-99?
>>16383213>basic colonies and space industry are the same as highly speculative theoriesFuck off.
>>16383217>self sustainable cityDon't delude yourself, this will never happen. Self sustainable based on what? Mining that you can't do due to environmental constraints, production that you can't support due to no raw materials, mind bogglingly high food/water production costs, a service economy to earth when sending signals will take hours?
>>16383211Tying a big rope between Earth and Mars is joke-tier, it doesn't require more thought than a dismissal.
>>16383223>he hasn't seen the ACME corporation's ambitious space expansion plans
>>16383226What is the ISP of SRB rocket-skates anyway?
>>16383223>space lifts are dumb because someone wants to stretch one between literal planetsKnow what, you got me. I'm leaving. Yes, i know you were just pretending and all that jazz. Have fun being miserable.
>>16382815>Earth will be uninhabitable in a few decades no matter what we do at this point, so we SHOULDN'T be trying to figure out how to sustain life inside sealed habitats indefinitely today, because we need those resources to fix Earth (which I believe is unfixable at this point, to reiterate)
>>16383221The problem is you’re conflating the two
>>16383227Under 200 probably since his rockets all appear to be fireworks / black powder.
despite claiming to be "heavy" an purporting to be able to lift 63 tons, Falcon Heavy has never lifted more than 9.2 tons
>>16383235Gateway PPE+HALO will get pretty close, even requiring a custom fairing.
>>16382826I don't think that'd significantly negatively impact a Mars colony on time scales fast enough that they could not react. The fact that the entire colony would be a controlled environment means that as long as there's sufficient power they're pretty much immune to all weather conditions.
>>16383214I'm sure there will be, but it will stay niche in any case if its just selling weird shit to a small population
>>16383215You're going to have to elaborate on that one lmao>>16383222Based on every participant's interest in surviving and improving their material conditions? You know, like Earth?>miningAlready done in more hostile conditions on Earth>waterYou'll need to mine absurd amounts of it for industry, siphoning some small percentage off for humans to use will not be that expensive >foodConfirmed for not knowing anything lmao, food is the easiest one
>>16383244>Already done in more hostile conditions on EarthI knew marsfags were deluded but this is something else
>>16382891It can if you're far enough away that all eyes are on one side of your spacecraft. That'd let you put an actively cooled panel between you and all observers, as cold as the CMB, and also make you so faint and have such small apparent size that you'd be practically undetectable. All stealth is is being practically undetectable. All stealth aircraft for example still have radar cross sections, they're just really hard to spot and the equipment that could spot them would be too big and expensive to field.
>>16383243Aluminum was also used to be niche and used to worth more than silver of equivalent weight.
>>16382891explain why. we can barely spot the 100 yard wide NEOs. anything that size that is actively trying to hide its radar and infrared signature will be almost invisible
>>16383245Mars has lower atmospheric pressure and an amount of radiation a robot wouldn't even notice. You could swap out the hydraulics with motors and batteries, replace the AC with life support, and you're done. We have drones operating in flooded salt mines right now
>>16383211you are talking about bringing raw metal back to earth, that is not going to be economically usefulISRU on the other hand is and will be critical i.e. using the materials you mine locallythere might be a business case in the medium future of mining Ice on the moon and selling the H2 and O2 as propellants to LEO tankers or in cislunar space in general, but even then its based on comparative advantage and not the H2 and O2 being cheaper than earth launched H2 and O2meaning that the demand for launch is so great that activity will be launch limited and in that case it is more profitable to launch some complex equipment or humans or whatever into LEO instead of launching propellants and instead buying the propellants from the Moon which could theoretically send them relatively cheaply with mass drivers
>>16383250Precisely. PSA to the idiot trying to defend space mining and getting butt hurt that nobody wants to discuss it: this is where the serious conversation should be.
>>16383247This is a terrible example for several reasons. You might just be retarded
>>16383228Just tether an asteroid high enough to be geostationary, then the concept stops being retarded and becomes more reasonable>>16383234Who says you can't ride dynamite to space?
>>16382959A SpaceX monopoly would be a natural monopoly that only exists because SpaceX is just better than everyone else. The correct reaction to this would be for everyone else to copy SpaceX's work methods, not to hang SpaceX for the crime of being too efficient.
>>16383247yes but how is that relevant?did Mount Everest air become cheap and have high demand all of a sudden? nowhy would asteroid gold? its the same exact element as on earth
>>16383255Building a 36,000km cable does not constitute the basis for a realistic plan>inb4 that one fag insists you can buy such a cable on amazon.com again
>>16382988fucking kek, nah all the MIC companies are too fat and retarded from sucking govt tits for decades.
>>16383004>they'll pivotThey cannot pivot from being slow and incompetent to being agile and smart
>>16383052Now that she's an adult I want her nudes (we all know she has some)
What's the point of manned space flight? I've never seen it have a real scientific impact.
>>16383264It is scientific impact.
>>16383085Batteries can do that with no problem.
>>16383266How?
>>16383269>how is scientific impact scientific impact?
>>16383094Serious planning means focusing completely on the transportation problem before fantasizing about easy problems like recycling air and water and growing food.
>>16383259>Building a 36,000km cable does not constitute the basis for a realistic planSure but it's at least MORE realistic than tethering Earth and Mars.>>16383264What's the point of (you)? All you do is consume resources, what are you actually good for?
>>16383264two men and a long weekend can do what takes a robot years. I'd have to double check but I'm pretty sure apollo 11 (fewest samples of any mission) brought back more rocks than all robotic sample returns from all bodies combined.
>>16383175The point isn’t to minmax human life to a spreadsheet with the core of Mars being efficiency. The point is to make it a civilization. We’re not terraforming Mars in a lifetime but there’s no reason to send people out there just to live like bubbleboy.That’s why solar-only is so stupid. Lots of work and maintenance, with power always being limited (or at best, needing to be budgeted). Nuclear gives you a huge reserve and allows you to actually live a little
>>16383105Space elevators on Earth won't beat reusable rockets on cost/kg. The first place we'll build a space elevator is likely an asteroid, Ceres would be a good one. Maybe Phobos.
>>16383271Not an argument>>16383273>What's the point of (you)?At least I don't waste billions of dollars on something which as far as I can see has no real value>>16383274How important is bringing more rocks from the moon, scientifically? And do you have a source for "two men and a long weekend can do what takes a robot years"?
>>16383263what the hell man
>>16383113So basically you're fantasizing without any regard for physics or reality in general.
>>16383279>source for humans being more capable than robotsThat they haven't killed us yet.
>>16383279are you retarded? baiting? I posted the source. apollo astronauts booked it around the surface finding more interesting features in their 3 day missions than chinese and soviet rovers did in months or years.
>>16383283Well, that's not a convincing argument. Robots are clearly better than humans at many things
>>16383208I can only imagine solar sails put it in the desired orbit and the payloads are very, very low mass
>>16383121>colonies >habitats >rotating spacecraft All spacecraft capable of going to the Asteroid belt with people would qualify as each one of these things.>Why is everyone so excited about people boarding suicide missions? The only "suicide mission" ever proposed for space travel was a scam called Mars One.>Grab some asteroids and start dismantling them. Requires, and is best done to support the construction of, giant rotating colony spacecraft habitats.>Bring downNope, will never be economical vs mining Earth, mining asteroids will be done to build things in the Asteroid belt.>a kiloton of copper for starters.Copper is abundant and cheap on Earth.
>>16383286engagement baiting, it’s even more embarrassing that you idiots fail for it
>>16383279>At least I-consume resources and contribute nothing, the decision of the /sfg/ counsel is final, please enter the airlock.
>>16383289>Mars OneUgh the memories
>>16383286What significant new scientific results can you get by studying a few extra rocks? Have these resulted in a nobel prize?
>>16383238Isn't it a ton over its mass limit right now? Haven't been following the Gateway news.
>>16383163SpaceX thinks asteroid mining is such an obvious huge opportunity to target that they've literally never once mentioned it even a single time in over two decades of existing.
>>16383169What you're describing is impossible of course, but more importantly, it wouldn't even offer any advantages. Even if you could wish for this thing to exist, congrats, you now have a method of going to Mars that only takes 12 years of tether climbing at 1 km/s instead of 6 months via ballistic transfer.
>>16383175what the fuck are you even saying?
>>16383189brainrotted
>>16383103>Mostly due to people no longer believing in human potentialSomething always seemed off about modern Brits compared to those of the prior era but I could never put my finger on what it was. How do we fix this so Britain once again engages in empire building but this time in space?
>>16383194The private industry and NASA are guilty of developing plenty of tech that went nowhere and was abandoned.
>>16383292When that was announced I was only 12 and had the accompanying childish understanding of how the world worked, but I still knew that that was dead on arrival. Funding a Mars mission by making a tv show out of it? How was anyone fooled?
>>16383259>inb4 that one fag insists you can buy such a cable on amazon.com againstill seething about zyklon cables anon?
Entirely unrelated to current happenings, but I just tried some of this stuff the first time this weekend. If astronauts get this stuff for free I'm hijacking a Dragon.
>>16383211>space ventures are uselessdisingenuous piece of shit, we are pointing out that the economics make no sense for a business trying to mine asteroids to sell materials to Earth for a profit. Nobody is arguing it is impossible to mine asteroids, we are arguing it is impossible for EARTH to mine asteroids for profit. Asteroid mining will be done, and it will be done by people living in space in order to build more habitats.
>>16383264>What's the point of manned space flight?The human adventure is just beginning
I just looked up what the point of manned space flight was and the results was just science fiction, basically:>The recent Bush vision gives a representative mix of reasons for human spaceflight: to search for habitable worlds away from Earth, possibly leading to the discovery of present or past life on other planets; to develop new technologies; to inspire children to study and seek careers in science, technology, engineering, and math; and to symbolize American democracy to the world. Other objectives given for human beings in space include national security, scientific discovery, and establishing human colonies on other worlds, often for the purpose of saving the human race by seeding other planets.I mean, wow. Just... wow.
>>16383228don't let the door hit you on the way out.
>>16383217The material payoff is the Mars city, in the same way the material payoff of a $250,000 mortgage is the house.
>>16383277>That’s why solar-only is so stupid. Lots of work and maintenance, with power always being limited (or at best, needing to be budgeted). Nuclear gives you a huge reserve and allows you to actually live a littlebased
>>16383222Baseless FUD, opinion discarded
>>16383293miningEasier to build generation ships out of moon than earth
>>16383228bye retard! don't come back please!
>>16383235and?
>>16382918Elon missing the point again. Once HST dies, we won't have a UV telescope on orbit. It's not about visible wave lengths, as you can study those frequencies with larger ground based observatories. We need a dedicated UV space telescope.
>>16383245Earth has oxygen and water, both of which FUCK technology rapidly if not actively combatted by maintenance crews. Meanwhile rovers on Mars last decades without being touched by a grease gun or cheater bar.
>>16383287No, not very many judging by the general economy.
>>16383306Replace them with indians.
>>16383332>It's not about visible wave lengths, as you can study those frequencies with larger ground based observatoriesAren't integration times limited by Earth rotation?
>>16383316nobody's laughing at this bit, give it a rest
>>16383344I'm not joking, anon. If the motivations for manned space flight are this bad, it's really no different than a big money wasting scam.
>>16383295Not a problem for Falcon, a problem for their gay weaksauce ion engines.
>>16383247Yeah because we got better at chemistry & invented electricity, so the hyperabundant aluminum ores of Earth became accessible and economical to refine. Equivalent improvements for asteroid mining would include high power & cheap fusion propulsion plus highly advanced automated production, both both of these technologies would also apply to the economics of mining Earth (via an ultracheap power supply and ultracheap scalable labor pool that can survive harsher conditions), which fundamentally breaks the economic case for Earth-profiting asteroid mining anyway. Just like how every possible technology for making Earth SSTOs viable also applies to two stage to orbit systems, so SSTO can never win on economics here, so too does every possible technology for making asteroid mining profitable for Earth also reduce the cost of just mining Earth.
>>16383306Annex them into the US. Total imperial inversion. Simply giving the bongs freedom fixes a lot of their problems.
>>16383351Fuck off
>>16383351>i'm not joking>i'm not pretending to be retarded, i'm actually retardedbad either way, the only winning scenario is you giving it a rest.
>>16383359Will the funding agencies accept that response too?
>>16383351Consider it a hobby then. I don’t know why I’m engaging with you but here’s my pitch anyways: Musk can offer starlink internet to people across Earth and use the revenue from that to land little metal tubes on mars and pay to get willing humans to go there. Just a hobby. A waste of THEIR time, you could argue. So what? He could likewise use that money to buy himself cars and build ships in bottles and play vidya. Again, just a hobby.>but the government is paying for itThen that’s a problem of YOUR elected officials. Don’t get mad at musk. The officials YOU elected decided to build ISS, decided to do Artemis. And they decided to award SpaceX contracts for commercial cargo, commercial crew, HLS moon landers.
>>16383343As far as data integration goes, modern telescopes have the single advantage of more modern RF systems. Such systems could transmit more information per ground station pass. But in the grand scheme of things, the data processing isn't the deciding factor of whether or not to fix HST. It's whether or not we want to sink money into a telescope that can do what multiple ground based telescopes can already do and better. Scientifically, it'd be more worthwhile to only put telescopes into space that benefit by not being inside our atmosphere.
Has this thread been good or bad space discussion havent read anything since it first got baked
>>16383370Spinning in a small well is more practical than this
>>16383366Doesn't airglow impose a ceiling on how faint an object you can detect from the ground?
>>16383365This isn't about musk. It's about the point of manned space flight. You seem to agree it has no real value too>The officials YOU elected decided to build ISS, decided to do Artemis.If manned space flight is really close to worthless, those projects will turn out to be massive wastes of money too and other governments should learn not to fund such things in the future
>>16383370stanford tori need to be denser than they are depicted. I don't care if you 70's hippie utopian future space commune looks like a picturesque village park. the real ones are going to be oil rigs stacked on top of office buildings.
>>16383332Near-UV telescopes in space can pretty much automatically cover the optical spectrum as well.Any space telescope that is UV-capable is optically capable as well, the mirror can be the same, and actually needs to be more precisely ground for the shorter wavelengths. Just swap instruments at the prime focus to image the bands you need to see.So yes, the target is a near-UV designed mirror and optics, with dual function instruments to capture optical as well, because we need both. I agree with Elon, servicing Hubble would only be a demo mission anyway, our sights should be set much higher, a modern UV/optical space instrument with 8m+ diameter. In fact not one, but a whole fucking team of the goddamn things.Hubble's future belongs in a museum, that's the real reason to boost it, not for the extended science, but to save a valuable and storied relic, for a future Earth return intact.
>>16383365>but the government is paying for itSo how much military gigs has SpaceX taken on yet. Never really thought about it desu, but surely they didn't pay him that generously to bring internet to shitholes.
>>16383375> bearings holding everything upseems less practical tbqh
>>16383384they launch military sats constantly and just recently started making a military version of starlink
So if the hubble reboost happens (most definitely won't) is there any parts they could bring to supe it up?
>>16383375I'm glad you like my concept so much>>16383385You can have several maglev rings with the rails at an angle holding it up and holding it in place. A realistic spin hab in space will also have something similar, unless you want to spin the shielding too (you don't)
>>16383137An economically feasible must allow producing something with fewer resources than the alternative.If the thing you're trying to produce is inexpensive and your suggested means of producing it is very expensive, your plan is a non-starter.The price of copper on earth is low. The cost of bringing copper to earth is very high.However, the price of copper in space is very high. It's expensive to put copper in outer space, so if there was demand for copper ingots in space, a plan to mine asteroids might be practical. Unfortunately, the demand for raw materials in space is basically zero.By the time there is demand for raw materials in space, the cost of raw materials in space will have dropped dramatically, so there's no reason to mine asteroids in the foreseeable future.
>>16383381>the real ones are going to be oil rigs stacked on top of office buildings.You can tuck a lot away out of sight and put dwellings on the rim. It needn't be ugly
>>16383393economically feasible plan*
>>16383372Dogshit with reddit tourists spamming their unironic true opinions
>>16383385Undergoes barely any stress due to extreme low G environment, not impractical at all. Work on any moon with ease of access to whatever you want without gay landing sequences to go down and ease of launch going up.
Tethered space ring launcher makes way more sense than a space elevator. Also strapping rockets to high metal % asteroids and landing them in the outback
>>16383163>>16383169same level of intelligence
>>16383400Yes and no
>>16383399>Undergoes barely any stress due to extreme low G environmentwell now hold on. each spoke is depicted as being the size of the empire state building. 8 are drawn but presumably there are 12 with the front 4 cut away for easier viewing. even at moon gravity and not counting the weight of every single other part of the structure your bearings are holding up the weight of two empire state buildings.
>>16383389I know Im probably posting it too often but it just makes so much sense in my mind in solving the problems with small moon colonization that I keep referencing it whenever that comes up.
>>16383381You can have both. Ten stories of dense housing with the eleventh floor as a park. Think a surface area allocation like central park with respect to the rest of Manhattan
>>16383211if you can't tell the difference between a good idea and a bad idea you should just shut the fuck up
>>16383407No way man, it's like the Mars mattress autist. If that's a solution to the same things we talk about every day then post it every day
>>16383372Shit bait questions and uninformed idiots, but lots of people answering and debating in good faith nonetheless, so I’d say “above-average” actually>>16383370O’neill cucktubes aside I know people tend to think of ‘futuristic space’ as sleek and shiny. Others suggest an art deco and grandeur design we should chase for the first city on Mars. And both are good!But no one ever brings up brutalism. I’m not suggesting orcish, commieblock utilitarianism. More like the bungie Halo forerunner vibes.
>>16383394Obviously you want as much of the sunlit open space of a torus or cylinder covered by plants for CO2 scrubbing, O2 production, food, and general crew health. The real problem of the 70s designs is too many surface buildings rather than too few.
I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant, but isn't it the case that the quality of mining even common metals like iron on the decline? So at the bare minimum, you would want to mine local (space) resources for whatever demand there was in space? I ASSUME this means you'd make any Earth satellites or rockets or goods using Earth materials, but any moon/mars/Eros/whatever goods and satellites would be made from local resources as much as possible. And because its expensive as fuck to bring goods/raw materials to those distant places, it is just as expensive to bring it back, unless you were able to somehow bring enough back for a low enough cost (probably impossible unless you have some magically efficient way to transport it) that you could actually make a profit in that far off market. Or am I too retarded to be helped?
>>16383400I don't want to bring the metal back down the gravity well, I want to turn spacemetal into spaceships, the metal is already up there so half the work is done.
>>16383255>Who says you can't ride dynamite to space?dynamite has dogshit energy densityyou start with something that's already low energy density and then add rocksI don't think it's possible
>>16383417wrap the tube in algae dense water for radiation shielding, UV protection, CO2 scrubbing, and thermal mass.
>>16383413what's that?
>>16383402>noAs always it's the size of the market. In space demand will not be able to handle in space supply for a long time once things get going. Paying for more space infra by seeding the outback (or any country with a lot of mining equipment + uninhabited space) with useful metal makes sense
>>16383424i keep seeing this posted and nobody explains how it actually works or what its made of or how its set up.
>>16383309kek
>>16383425>handleFully absorb>>16383421It's the processing that will be the bottleneck. Better to max out finished goods in space while throwing excess asteroids down
>>16383379No, I was throwing out a way to think about it that sidesteps needing a “point” in the first place. I can’t speak for the whole globe, but I personally got a geology degree and I think sending humans to other terrestrial bodies is cool for mineral science and petrology alone. Trying to pinpoint geochemical processes, studying what different worlds tell us about Earth. Prospecting spots purely of scientific interest. Planet like Venus can only ever be studied in-situ at a surface level by robots, but places like the Mars and the Moon could really use humans that can move far quicker than robots, drill faster and deeper than robots, make real-time decisions for ‘changing the game plan’ on the spot. That’s MY interest. And, in general, sending humans to places like LEO helps us study microgravity. Perhaps the ISS isn’t the best example of this but there’s still something to be said about studying long-duration affects on the human body, having 20+ year old hardware in orbit close to home to study its durability which will be needed on the surface of other planets, having humans to do maintenance on satellites like hubble that a robot could do but it’s just easier to send humans. That’s my personal pitch. Thinking there’s “no point” is sort of a you problem and I’m not going to bend over backwards reach some sort of middle ground with reddit-tier nihilism
>>16383424
>>16383430>Planet like Venus can only ever be studied in-situ at a surface level by robotsEven there, teleoperation from Venus orbit cuts down speed of light delay times
Everyone knows NASASpaceFlight are a bunch of fags, but they really outgayed themselves this time.>Starship takes a year to make>the FAA delay is only 60 days>obviously the FAA is not delaying StarshipHow about there are indefinite delays of each test flight to achieve political gains (on behalf of those who hate progress and love destroying the future by importing the worst people in the world by the millions)?I just hope they understand how revolting and despicable they are.
>>16383420Yet there’s no organic industry in space right now nonetheless… so unless you have wave some industry into existence, it won’t be profitable. I hope you see the problem here.>b-but anon this is just circular thinking! If we start mining then we can start a space industry on Mars or in the asteroid beltThe problem is that this industry does not exist at the moment and therefore it will forever be a net negative in profit and it’s WAY too expensive to try and brute force to make it profitable. That’s not possible, not at the scales you need and the hurdles that are needed to be jumped.
>>16383424first ones will be oxygen envelopes surrounded by an envelope pressurized from atmospheric CO2
>>16383440Well ain't the first step to provide a service and jobs? Places to do lots and lots of scientific research in orbit or on the moon? Or I guess indulge some millionaires by letting them spend 3 nights in a tiny shitty "hotel" or on a "cruise ship" in orbit? And by having these things which are somewhat reasonable in the near future you begin to develop more infrastructure and need more people and the ball gets rolling because that cislunar stuff supports that Mars stuff? Or did I miss something? Very possible, I'm stupid and ignorant but at least I know I'm stupid and ignorant.
>>16383436I hope DAVINCI falls somewhere cool and gets great photos of the surface
>>16383442And what happens during the planet wife dust storms?
>>16383439>I just hope they understand how revolting and despicable they are.They "know" that they are in the right, or "the right side of history" as their religion puts it. People make the mistake of trying to argue with them, when they are ultimately religious zealots and you're arguing against their faith not their ideas. You can debunk an idea, you can't argue someone out of a faith they desperately need to hold onto.
>>16383449>planet wife
>>16383427This is the cheapest way to get as much of the surface of Mars Earth-like as possible with modern technology. ETFE plastic sheet anchored to the dirt via steel cables. Steel can be produced on Mars early on, ETFE later, but in the mean time one starship load of ETFE gets you 70 acres of pressurized volume. All the Mars art has compressive structures like domes or 3d printed houses or something, but because of the air pressure difference your breathable atmosphere can be structural. Factories need lots of space to spread out, and all of our processes on Earth were designed for Earth conditions. Mining still needs some development, but literally everything after that step can be replicated 1:1 with no extra development on the surface of Mars with this system. You can also bubble in half to double the land area of the United States depending on your ceiling height, so Mars could have quite a civilization well before serious considerations for terraforming.>>16383420It's just a function of cost. Our early sources of iron ore were formed from the great oxygenation and were damn near 100% iron. Our sources are now down to like 25%, with undifferentiated dirt being 12%. Extracting 12% iron is still probably cheaper than mining asteroids though. Also keep in mind, the entire asteroid belt has less mass than the Earth's crust.You also need to keep in mind that you still need to refine and manufacture afterwards. Right now that only happens on Earth. The process of extraterrestrial industrialization would entail sending less dumb mass and more complex products with each launch as you build up your local base. This is the plan for Mars, but it isn't clear what the minimum viable product would be for something like Eros >>16383442Holy shit WHERE did you get this image???
>>16383449it gets a little dusty
we will build glorious caves, we are the submarranaen
>>16383454And then it also gets blown away and everything under it is ruined
Again my idea to distill and sell expensive space alcohol makes sense. For some luxury spirits $10-$20k a liter are actual prices (there are more expensive ones but mostly because they embed diamonds into the bottle or shit like that)
>>16383457there's only 2% air in the air on mars. wind just isn't that windy there
>>16383457You think Martian wind is that strong? Why?
>>16383460He watched the reddit movie
A martian 0.006 atm derecho just blew over my house!
>>16383460>>1638345960 mph. Argue that with your dinky little structure
>>16383462Oh my god you're right, fucking hell
>>16383457>it gets blown awayOn Mars you wouldn't even notice a wind that would peel your roof off on Earth
>>16383462kek the damage it has done to the psyche of earthers is immeasurable
>>1638346460mph * 0.02 = 1.2mphezpz
>>16383453>Holy shit WHERE did you get this image???https://marspedia.org/Paraterraforming
>>16383471Thats not how it works dum bass
Show your work
>>16383464>>16383463>>16383460>>16383459>>16383457>>16383454>>16383449Don't underestimate the dust storm problem.No, it wont blow structures down, but introduces a cloud of hostile, fine grained, corrosive FOD that blocks visibility, will down all drones, foul up precision equipment, space suits, and block solar power. This is NOT something that can be easily overlooked, stop believing Hollywood bullshit and be intelligent for a change.
Powered flight on Mars requires larger fan blades spinning at higher RPM than would be needed on Earth. This is because the atmosphere on Mars is less than 1% the volume of Earth's. Mars' atmosphere was mostly removed.
>>16383476I mean kinetic energy as a function of mass scales linearly so that pretty much is how it works kek, at least as a way to explain what it would feel like
>>16383355asteroid mining might become preferable in a scenario where earth wants to be kept in a pristine condition (i.e. moving all mining and industry off earth)but even then it isn't really an economic argument in the same sense
>>16383480Blow it off with the oxygen you make from martian ice
>>16383480You can just tell it to fuck off with little jets of air distributed all over the structure. Just integrate the system with the general life support that will also be distributed around the structure. The atmosphere is so thin you can do a lot with a little. Maybe build a solid wall on the windward side if it's an issue
>>16383484Welcome back Gerard O'Neill
>>16383486>Maybe build a solid wall on the windward side if it's an issueA windbreak made from rough hewn Martian bedrock blocks would suffice just fine, hell yeah.
>>16383486No you cant nitwit. Static electricity will make it stick
>>16383486You think its a non-issue nothing burger now, lets wait for ground truth. I guarantee this will be a massive headache for engineers and Martian residents alike.The dust constituents are nasty, strongly oxidizing chemicals.
>>16383491I know moon dust does that but has mars dust ever demonstrated that property?
>>16383491If only we had mastered electricity by now
>>16383491Oh you're the reddit dude. My bad for treating you as human
>>16383480>No, it wont blow structures down, but introduces a cloud of hostile, fine grained, corrosive FOD that blocks visibility, will down all drones, foul up precision equipment, space suits, and block solar power.Yeah /sfg/ focuses on wind loads and not the fact that dust hitting machines at 60mph for months is a problem
>>16383498is it? the dinky little robots we leave there seem to be happy enough running for a decade without maintenance.
>>16383488My spirit will rise from the grave and the world will see I was right
>>16383502Hopefully it will rise near a better barber.
>>16383498Just surround your structures with thick stone. The ideal windproof Martian city looks like a Ur but inside each brick structure are pressurized habs.
>>16383500None of them have been in a dust storm that lasts months afaik. Mariner 9 tier ones are no joke
>>16383506Spock would not have an illogical haircut therefore it is optimal for space
>>16383506kek
>>16383513Spock's hair wasn't puffy. O'Neill has too much volume.
Will fashion be different on Mars? Space suit derived formal wear instead of military uniform derived like our suits? How different could hair be? Volume might come back in style
>>16383507Just dig in.
>>16383507Think for a second.This dust is pervasive and long lasting. It will be fucking everywhere.Concerns are:FOD. This ruins the complex machines we NEED.Its VERY toxic to the human body. It will be brought into the habitat via the suits.Its corrosive as fuck, and will quickly deteriorate ALL infrastructure exposed to it.It kills drones, it kills visibility. Not good. Why are humans going again?Solar power is dead. Nuclear is the ONLY way forward.Its not just toxic to us, but plants too. Martian soil just wont work for food production.There are even more cons, list then here.There are so many stupid people here thinking Martian dust storms is a solved problem because low atmospheric pressure. Faggot students with mid IQ is my guess.We will have to live in caves for the most part, at first.
Any cool footage released from the SpaceX spacewalk >>16383332we also need gravitational observatories
>>16383525space is hard. the only solution is to give up now
>Evidence suggesting that earth had a ring in the OrdovicianHighlights•Earth may have had a ring during the middle Ordovician, from ca. 466 Ma.•Breakup of an asteroid passing within Earth's Roche limit likely formed the ring.•Among several features preserved is a near-equatorial band of impact craters.•Shading of Earth by the ring may have triggered a global icehouse period.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0012821X24004230
>>16383527We are NOT giving up.Its just a harder problem than you retards think it is.This dust is going to be a major headache, if you haven't realized that yet.But we will solve it, in due time.
>>16383281She's a pretty, young, slim woman with tits. Every pretty, young, slim woman with tits you've ever seen was also once someone's precious baby girl.
>>16383534Hose it down, yes the whole Mars.>>16383529>Shading of Earth by the ring may have triggered a global icehouse period.Neat, I wonder what that would've looked like from the ground
>>16383525There's no way the dust storms are going to be that big of an issue. How hard can it really be to disrupt weather on Mars? The sky over Peru has as much air as the entirety of Mars. It's going to be something like one well placed nuke to stop the dust storms every few years and that's it
>>16383363Musk is the funding
>>16383327This is what you get when you let eggheads design things.That suit is a product of the same minds that brought us Venture Star, launch loops, and those 3D printed Mars egg habitat concepts.
>>16383109are you kidding, there's a certain subgroup in the West whose power and wealth seems to be growing at an exponential rate and has been for decades
>>16383523>>16383525Do it like this
>>16383379Actually spaceflight has demonstrable intrinsic value: people want to do it, ergo it has value. People can't come up with a reason why it's valuable, ergo it is INTRINSICALLY valuable, because it's value does not come from servicing some other goal, but rather is inherent to spaceflight itself.
>>16383539There's that overly optimistic young student talking again.How old are you, and how is your academic performance?Honest question, because you are spewing shit, and appear very dumb.
>>16383381Big open greenspace on top of dense living space and subsurface farms. The open greenspace is for people to not go insane, that's its only real function.
>>16383546Agree
>>16383546Jordanian dust storms would distroy this if it were ever built in real life.
>>16383393All correct. Asteroid mining will be profitable for ventures attempting to colonize the asteroid belt, simple as.
>>16383529imagine an intelligent species with the tech to reach orbit but impact risk means they can never do it :(
>>16383417Unironically, there isn't enough surface area inside one of these to grow food and supply oxygen for more than a low density human population. The farming will be done under the "surface" in artificially lit layers, and most oxygen will come from direct electrolytic breakdown of waste water & CO2. It's both easier and more productive this way.
>>16383420>I'll admit I'm pretty ignorant, but isn't it the case that the quality of mining even common metals like iron on the decline? So at the bare minimum, you would want to mine local (space) resources for whatever demand there was in space?The quality of ores in space is very poor, Earth has had minerals concentrated over billions of years of hydrology, asteroids at best have a lot of iron. In reality the solution to running out of concentrated ores on Earth is to continue pivoting to less concentrated ore deposits that exist in much greater volumes. Making ore extraction on Earth cheaper is a far easier problem than making space mining competitive with Earth mines.
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1835738373056557556Tim Dodd interviewed Polaris Dawn crew after their EVA, starting from 2:20, or 5:10 to skip "overview effect"
>>16383423Algae fucking sucks to manage, it is seriously finnicky. I would trust a chinese life support pallet before I'd trust the best algae based life support system SpaceX could engineer.
>>16383427Have you considered thinking about it for several seconds?>>16383429>while throwing excess asteroids downYou're handwaving the hardest part. Also, there won't be any "excess asteroids".
I need images of the spacewalk
>>16383459>2%0.6% actually>>16383480You are overestimating the dust storm problem to an absurd degree.
>>16383570you have google
>>16383480Dust storms on Earth are unironically worse than Mars dust storms in every way relevant to tech survivability, and yet the American west exists.
>>16383484In that case the way to keep Earth pristine would be to recycle everything while moving people up into space habitats, not by bringing down an endless stream of space resources to toss around.
>>16383539Woops my math was off by half, it's closer to the sky over Argentina >>16383548Why are you being such a faggot lmao>>16383570The previous threads are always linked in the OP
>>16383575Nothing space cowboys can’t handle
>>16383491Wrong (demonstrated by cleaning events observed by Spirit & Opportunity). Mars dust is a non-problem made up by people who hate space travel.
>>16383494Idiot. The dust is grains of rock, with a tiny percentage of perchlorates, which are less oxidizing than oxygen, and less corrosive than water.
I need to be spoonfed images of the SpaceX walk.
>>16383526SpaceX doesnt upload 4k anymore, just streams highly compressed garbage to X and calls it a day. No youtube, no flickr. Thanks Elon!
>>16383510Both Spirit and Opportunity survived dust storms that lasted months. They aren't destructive events, they just block a lot of light.
>>16383547Humanity yearns for the open frontier when home gets too crowded. Our planet is *above* carrying capacity even with severe birthrate decline, and so even if the entire third world vanished we'd hit carrying capacity again in under 200 years. The siren song of an endless virgin frontier that has never known the touch of man is irresistable under such conditions. We must go, and so we will.
>>16383593They used to have such good content on Flickr. Sad!
>>16383548>how is your academic performance?someone's feeling like the big man on campus after midterms kek
>>16382658can someone explain why nsf is so hated here?
>>16383525I fucking HATE bullshitters like you. Perchlorates are destroyed by humidity and are not acutely toxic: you are a liar.FOD: The dust hasn't harmed ANY of the machines we've put on Mars. Earth mining equipment deals with much worse dust conditions and it's fine.It's far less corrosive than an oxygen atmosphere or humidity. We deal with both here on Earth, plus a lot of salt. The rest of your post is similarly all a bunch of crap. Go kill yourself, sincerely, you have made the world a worse place.
>>16383596>Our planet is *above* carrying capacityPseudoscience nonsense. I agree with you in spirit too, but this is just not correct
>>16383308>Funding a Mars mission by making a tv show out of it? How was anyone fooled?10 years from now this may be completely viable
>>16383534It is not even close to as hard of a problem as you have stated it to be. All of your claims about how bad the dust is are wrong.
>>16383608Humans don't breed well in captivity. White, black, Asian, whatever, cities with low land ownership are population sinks everywhere on the planet.
>>16383548Should be easy for you to state what makes the dust so toxic, so corrosive, and so bad for machinery. If you fail to respond to this post or fail to explain why the above points are true in detail, it's an admission that you are wrong and retarded.
>>16383555The impact of the RKV we'll send to them will not bode well for their biosphere>>16383593Watching others seethe for their attachments is one of the many great pleasures enjoyed by people who have escaped samsara, like me
>>16383606back to redit bigot
>>16383607you know mars is humid right? And the perchlorates are still there
>>16383596If Earth were above carrying capacity we would already be starving and in one year we would be at carrying capacity again, because the excess people would be dead. Clearly you must be considering some other factor beyond the ability to grow enough food when you say "carrying capacity", please explain.
>>16383630Sufficient space for reproduction. >>16383614
>>16383134That's a good point, but it requires people and resources being able to freely move to, live on and work on Mars.At least until a certain amount of transportation, life support and fabrication is readily available for purchase, SpaceX will need to centrally plan everything, despite the limitations of that approach
>>16383629Mars is not humid. It can have high relative humidity, when the temperatures are extremely cold, but the actual number of water molecules per cubic meter of air is negligible. Put perchlorates into a 20C habitat at 15% humidity and they will be destroyed in hours. To reiterate, perchlorates are not toxic enough to matter in those concentrations. That's why people can walk around the Atacama desert, which also contains perchlorates due to being so dry & exposed to UV, without becoming poisoned whatsoever.
>>16383614I already called it pseudoscience, you didn't need to expound the point
>>16383158I just imagine being given the opportunity to freely punish an annoying neighbor or a random black person. It's basically impossible to resist.
>>16383633There's plenty of space here for reproduction. Are you referring to housing? Are you equating planetary carrying capacity to how many bedrooms exist? Do you understand why it makes no sense to think of carrying capacity as limited by a thing we build more of all the time?
>>16383638No it doesn't, those decisions can be made by the people on Mars even from day 1. They will be the actual experts from that point onwards, relying on Earth for decisions will only lead to immediate disaster
>>16383606oink oink
>>16383558the high density crop growing will take place in the less desirable lower-gravity "upper" region closer to the axis of rotation, with mirrors at the axis directing sunlight onto this "green house" area, the area furthest from the axis will be for people to live and work and recreate and can be as depicted in 1970s "California urban utopia" imaginings
>>16383657The high density food and the bulk of calories will be starches produced using sewage and electricity
>>16383439yeah that was really disingenious, the time SpaceX was talking about was obviously about the modifications to Starship, not building a completely new stackand NSF should obviously know this too, so they are being doing this on purpose
>>16383484The only practical way to mine asteroids is to redirect them towards Earth when they pass close to other planets.
>>16383639okay but I still prefer Moon
>>16383591
>>16383498>Yeah /sfg/ focuses on wind loads and not the fact that dust hitting machines at 60mph for months is a problemThese dust storms have extremely low particle density. It's literally not a problem.
>>16383502>My spirit will rise from the graveAnd I will call it a tubefag
>>16383660>The high density food and the bulk of calories will be starches produced using sewage and electricityyou have some sort of unusual fetish or something?
>>16383672they come to scoff but stay to pray
>>16383525We will keep "people" like you around to lick the dust off everything. NBD!
We will import nitrogen based fertilizers from Earth
>>16383491moon dust is charged due to the solar wind and no atmosphere, mars has an atmosphere so the charge doesn't build up in the same way
>>16383525nigga just mist some water when people come back into the airlock, percholates are not a problem
>>16383209I'll take that as a compliment because your statement tells me that I have a genuinely unique idea that rubbed you so wrong that you actually crafted a response cuz your npc brain couldn't or didn't want to comprehend my level of creativity. To which here we are.You know whohad a level of creativity that was told many times their ideas were Impossible? The wright brothers who told the world that men can fly.And more Importantly in 5 years neither of us are going to remember the conversations we have here, and also in 5 years something like having a free house paid for with UBI with robot slaves for EVERY household will be possible whereas if I said that now? That no one will ever have to pay rent again? Would be deemed insane.Get back to work and keep the kava coming >:P
Just put everything in a zorb ball
>>16383681There's roughly 6500x the atmospheric nitrogen on Mars that humans have ever converted into fertilizer. We'll be fine.>>16383690You talk to guys like this and you find out over the course of their career they've designed two gas tanks for some esoteric farm equipment and that's the sum total of their contribution to Earth
>>16383552kek
>>16383562If you run out of ore on earth, that means you have a lot of shit made out of metal lying around. Unfortunately, this means that recycling will eventually become economically viable.
>>16383575Dust storms in the American west are nothing compared to northern China. They're unpleasant and I don't like going outside during them, but they don't destroy buildings or cars or anything like that. I guess our resident retard will have to think up another reason that going to Mars is impossible.
>>16383606refer to the earlier post in this thread
>>16383648Okay, you show up on day one and decide to build a dildo factory because you're a huge fag. Where is your bulldozer? Where do you source construction materials? Rubber? Plastic? Packaging? Printing services? Where does your factory's life support and power supply come from? How do you ship your products? Where do you get food for employees? Where do you get employees?
>Chinese scientists prove that Starlink sats can be used to track F-22 and F-35Why would Elon do this? Is he trying to get arrested? https://www.eurasiantimes.com/china-can-detect-f-22-f-35-stealth-jets/amp/
>>16383721more like starlink sats can track J-20 and Su-35 lmao get fucked chink scientists elon wins again
>>16383721Lol this is a very clever move by China if it's fake
>>16383701>You talk to guys like this and you find out over the course of their career they've designed two gas tanks for some esoteric farm equipment and that's the sum total of their contribution to Earthputting it like this is probably suicide fuel for half the engineers on the planet
>>16383721Most likely the PLA already knows that Starlink has built in countermeasures, or that stealth coating wouldn't reflect waves the same as a civilian drone (even if the radar signature is the same size), etc. If it was actually viable they wouldn't publicize it. And if it's anything, then it would only ever be an asset for the US military who'd take control over Starlink in any major war.
>>16383721>eurasiantimes
I can't stop thinking about Dragonfly, Europa Clipper and PLATO bros. So much science
>>16383735io lander NOW
>>16383739>io lander*landing
>>16382956It’s not a monopoly when they're literally the only provider that can actually provide a service and no one else has even tried. That’s like saying a store that specializes in selling custom moon rocks is a monopoly solely because no one else is doing it. It’s not as if they’re suppressing other companies; they even launch competitor sats specifically to avoid these sorts of allegations. What are these people smoking?
>>16383742Imagine the smell
>>16383606>>16383525Prime example of what the posters are like there
>>16383705>Unfortunately, this means that recycling will eventually become economically viable.Steel is the most recycled item there is. It’s already economically viable. Has been for a hundred years.
>>16383482>kinetic energy as a function of mass scales linearly... but quadratically with velocity, so the equivalent w/r/t kinetic energy would be 8.5mph.Doesn't matter, though, since we're really concerned with momentum, not energy, which scales linearly with both mass and velocity, so >>16383471 is basically right.
>>16383555LEO-equivalent orbits would be fine -- nothing small can stay there long due to drag, and if a few big rocks manage to stick around long enough, they will be few enough and large enough to be tracked and planned around. The breakup event would have to happen at the exact moment that society was industrializing to be a significant problem.
>>16383735Fuck Dragonfly
>>16383766what is blud waffling about :skull:
>>16383777You have autism go take your meds
>>16383742An Io lander is probably getting a bit ahead of ourselves. A close orbiter would be better for a first dedicated mission. It could produce a high resolution atlas of the surface and chart how quickly the landscape changes. It could even do some direct chemical sampling of the volcanic plumes which would get astrochemists completely bricked up. It'd need to be built like a tank because of the radiation environment but even with that a simple probe could light enough to get launched on a direct trajectory by Falcon Heavy and then get there in around two years. Once we've had some time to analyze that data we can start to have some constructive meetings about where we want to try dropping a surface prove.
>>16383760In which case feel free to append "for shit other than steel"
>>16383787Basically Io Clipper. I would support it
>>16383606the shilling on their streams gets excessive
>>16383789Kinda. Europa Clipper is a big 6 ton flagship mission like Cassini was, and both of those would be carrying a lot more instrumentation. EC's got ten different instruments on it. FH can only toss about 2 tons onto a direct trajectory to Jupiter so this would be more like Galileo part 2. It'd have sensors for visual/IR surface imaging, a radiation/charged particle detector to measure just how fucked the probe is, and maybe a spectrometer if NASA is comfortable getting in close to the volcanic plumes.
>>16383801Oh I just meant in the sense that you’d send a clipper mission first to analyze the surface and scout a landing area, and once you know your parameters for that you design and launch a lander later on.Io Volcano Observer was originally a new frontiers proposal but the shifted to the discovery program. I’m not sure if they’re still trying to get it through, but either way: launch mass of 2T and it has a spectrometer
new eager
https://youtu.be/2G60Y3ydtqYCOMMERCIAL SPACE BROS OUR RESPONSE???????
I still think that I somehow overslept the stream for the orbital launch that carried the only payload I ever participated in.It was dumb.
>>16383815Starship stations idc if NASA didn’t like SpaceX’s CLD proposal—if it’s good enough for long duration stays in Lunar NRHO orbit, the Lunar surface, and the Martian surface, then it’s good enough for LEO with some sort of expanded life support module, an additional structural truss for external experiments, and a docking port
>>16383815
>>16383820so basically commercial space stations require crewed Starship to work, too expensive with dragon
>>16383828More like CLD was a failure because NASA wanted a bunch of hyperautistic things that nobody wanted to do, but NASA wanted minimal control and cost and risk. They were just looking for someone to redo the ISS but not one of the bids offered that
ISS 2 will be a NASA-ISRO station. But most american LEO activities will be in free flying Starships.
>>16383828No it won't work at all. You can't cram 50 people from a starship into a starlab sized station but the starlab sized station is also the only economically sized station. not only that there is the issue of starship being oversized just like it is for gateway to the point where the station cannot maintain attitude while starship is docked. It's all a mess. we really need the crew transport costs to go down but that requires an oversized ship which is too big to fit the small station sizes needed for early adoption so we need a bigger station which is more expensive to launch etc..
>>16383179There are materials that can't be made on Earth because convective processes dominate the resulting crystal formation, if not causing outright defects. Meteoric iron is an example of material that can't be produced on Earth under any circumstance, and people haven't even begun to have a chance to find out what else might be possible.
>>16383834Please no I don’t want a future where ISRO is our new main partner, a la Roscosmos. Please no.
>>16383839why can't canada develop an indigenous launch industry and be our partner in space?
>>16383495It has not. Mars dust is not charged.
>>16383839Too bad saar
>>16383840Because they're dumb enough to waste $2 billion canuckbucks trying to build a starlink competitor. The only thing they've ever contributed to spaceflight have been a few robotic arms, and I'm pretty sure even JPL could have built those for less.
>>16383840too many NIMBYs and funding going into bad ideasThe last company that comes to mind was trying balloon launch <100kg payloads but got shut down/went bankrupt due to noise complaints stopping engine tests.
>>16383835I've always been of the option that a reusable crew transport vehicle that's designed to replace Falcon 9's second stage is too good an idea to pass up.
>>16383853Impossible. Not because it's impossible, but because it's impossible that spaceX would ever do that. They are too focused on making starship a success. they aren't going to design anything new for F9. >>16383838He addressed that in the video. "There is no killer App" Which I agree with.The only things people ever talk about for in space manufacturing is slightly better fiber optic cables and some medicine shit, neither of which justify high launch and infrastructure costs. There really does need to be a broadly applicable new material that has excellent properties or at least an absolute boatload of new things with more narrow applications but are really good at those narrow applications. Without that I don't see in space manufacturing being a valid business model any time soon. Seems like space tourism and government research are the only real market at current launch prices.
>>16383775>LEO-equivalent orbits would be fine -- nothing small can stay there long due to dragidk the lower orbits would be polluted by infall from the ring so the xenoastronauts might not risk it
Geological detritus with a Krumbein phi scale of -2 to -6, possessing an inordinate degree of intelligence.
>>16383863heheh sentient silicon
>Star Cops is set in the year 2027—some 40 years into the future at time of broadcast—a time in which space travel has become common and mankind is in the process of exploiting and colonising the Solar System. There are five permanently occupied space stations orbiting the Earth and there are bases on the Moon and Mars. Approximately 3,000 people are living and working in space.[3] This near future setting was influenced by the potential for greater access to space promised by the burgeoning Space Shuttle programme and by the militarisation of space through the US Government's Strategic Defense Initiative programme (also known as "Star Wars") both of which were underway in the early 1980s.[4] Accordingly, space travel and life in space is portrayed in a realistic manner with depictions of weightlessness and low gravity environments and lengthy space journeys (months or years in cases of interplanetary travel)[3] as well as hazards such as spacesuit failures,[5] radiation exposure[6] and explosive decompression.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Cops
>>16383838>Meteoric iron is an example of material that can't be produced on Earth under any circumstanceNow you're just being gay. Take your gay space magic and go watch TV or something.
>>16383863>>16383865>be dirt>wake up>"fuck"
>>16383860>The only things people ever talk about for in space manufacturing is slightly better fiber optic cables and some medicine shit, neither of which justify high launch and infrastructure costs.Good thing Starship is looking to make things cheap. I don't get why people think these same old arguments about why space is impossible or uneconomical or irrelevant are all coming out of the woodwork again. If people are new, I guess that's an acceptable reason, but if you've been watching the movement in the space sector for the last five years, it comes across as FUD.
>>16383869>"Oh no, not again."
>>16383868>Oh no, this is actually true>Better ad-hominem the guy so I don't have to lose this internet argument
>>16383868How are you going to make meteoric iron on Earth? The world's tallest shot tower wouldn't be nearly big enough, you need to cool the molten metal very slowly to form those big crystals.
>>16383860SpaceX wouldn't, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea. Starship isn't going to be moving crew to and from orbit for a good long while, and an interim fully reusable crew system would absolutely find a market.
>>16383870oldfags know space mining is an unrealistic market. It’s the simple truth, I don’t know what else to tell you. It has nothing to do with being a doomer or being a Tory Bruno-tier hater who plugs his ears and refuses to believe in leaps like booster reuse. It isn’t, profitable. Period
Fact: The best thing to manufacture in space is space ships.Gravity wells are for fags
>>16383880>Space miningNobody except detractors are currently bringing up space mining.
>>16383882You’re right now I’m the idiot ACK. I was literally thinking some other bimbo was a retard for bringing up manufacturing when I was arguing against mining & processing earlier this morning.Embarrassing, sorry for the shit reading comprehension on my part
>>16383881Wrong
>>16383884That's alright, we're all idiots sometimes.
>>16383888What is better to manufacture in space than space ships?
>>16383891Space STATIONS anon.
>>16383878If you start designing it now, by the time you have an operational vehicle, starship will already be flying crew. It takes years to fully develop one of these things, sometimes a decade or more.
>>16383892>space ship except it doesn't go anywhereGAY AF
>>16383891regular ships
>>16383895ships for space are better than ships for water
If metallic hydrogen really was metastable like people like to suggest, wouldn’t we have likely already found some sort of spectral evidence of it in our campaign to catalog exoplanets?It’s not unheard of to think of the cores of protoplanets being exposed (i.e. Psyche, though I believe this is now argued against)But regardless—it’s not crazy to think of a hypothetical planetesimal or planet that gets impacted and whose core is exposed, right? Well what about a Jupiter-sized planet whose orbit falls too close to the sun and whose atmosphere gets stripped? And all that is left is the solid metallic hydrogen layer after the gas is flayed away
What would you guys do of I...bought you ALL tickets to the MOON?
>>16383901I'd bring enough edibles for everyone to have some
>>16383898How could the core of a planet be exposed without perturbing the core out of it's metastable state?
>>16383898>>16383911Metallic hydrogen does not seem to have metastability. Some guys a few years back thought they managed to actually make the stuff based on its conductive state, but it immediately reverted when the pressure was removed.
>>16383911Metallic hydrogen in huge gas giants aren’t the core in this case, it’s actually more analogous to the mantle. And that’s what metastability is. For example, when carbon is brought to the surface of the earth via volcanic kimberlites the intense pressure change keeps it in a metastable crystallographic form. Stripping the atmosphere/liquid “crust” (analogy here) off of a gas giant as it makes a few dozen or hundred passes into a star before being ejected (or settling in a super low orbit or whatever) could possibly be a rapid enough change to keep that hydrogen in a semi-stable energetic state where the conversion back to Hydrogen V or metallic fluid
>>16383901comfy pajama party in starship's crew cabins, discussing nuclear vs. solar while eating astronaut ice cream
>>16383918*where the conversion is negligibleforgot to finish that last sentence
>>16383906i would bring mushrooms, but not sure if that's a good idea
>>16383918things which are metastable are stable so long as they aren't perturbed. If you could magic away everything above the metastable hydrogen then maybe it would stay this way, but any sort of violent ripping up of the planet would probably disturb the metallic hydrogen too much and cause it to all get fucked up
>>16383919Astronaut ice cream IS NOT REAL. This is the Berenstain universe
>>16383917Is there anything you could mix in that would make it metastable? Say 1% lithium or whatever
>>16383926Not my wheelhouse, I'm afraid.
>>16383926now we’re dealing with a complicated phase diagrams, shit that makes even seasoned material scientists roll their eyes with annoyance kek
>>16383522indoor "work" clothes should be a jumpsuit with elastic cuffs that when secured to boots and gloves and a helmet in an emergency allow temporary survival in a low pressure environment
>>16383481this dude gets itmost of the retards ITT don't understand aerodynamics at all
>>16383935Colonial dress code will be flight suits
>>16383679https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSb7Vxjrx00
>>16383522we will have boring, low-saturation, monochromes suits like in an Orwellian novel, and you WILL like it
soulless vs SOVL
>>16383953list redeeming qualities of Orion
>>16383936he said the most basic thing and you're getting all gushy about it?
https://youtu.be/2G60Y3ydtqYEAGER SPACE
>>16383939>mfw
>>16383959>>16383815stop shilling your channel
>>16383949most of the people that post on /sfg/ would love it if they could just reach in their closet with their eyes closed, pull out one of like 3 jumpsuits, and put it on and fit in with everybody else
>>16383955went beyond the moon further than apollo, has a toilet, has solar panels.
>>16383966>has a toiletvalid
>thinking you need to safety test, man-rate, or even actually fly a launch system before putting astronauts on itKEK
>>16383815>>16383812sorry chuds i can't watch him anymore since PressureFedSIGMA called him a larper
>>16383968In hindsight this wasn’t even “test pilot badass,” it was fucking crazy and dangerous lol
>>16383968imagine the smell
>>16383728good, they should work on better stuff
>>16383932Yeah that's why I wondered. Adding small amounts of whatever can change bulk properties
>>16383972They should have aborted on ascent and strangled shittle in its crib
>>16383968what would they have done if it failed lol
>wake up>check news>spacex is being fined in brazil because elon owns twitter>the usual crowd is celebratingwhats going to happen next?
>>16383980pre-prepared POTUS speech about muh space is hard, they were brave, etc
>>16383981SX launched their satellites, Starship will go gobble them up and return to sender
>>16383982John Young would have made it back and spilled the beans on what a piece of shit the STS was.
>>16383981dropping roggs on Rio and Brasilia
>>16382679We need to send Steve up there.>Allright, lets open those bite-sized treats while the rehydrator does its thing>Absolutely decadent
>>16383993sooon brother, trust the planhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D22N_6QpT4
>>16383994>We need to send Steve up thereI don't know why no one has ever thought of this. He can fit an entire spin station in his inventory
>>16384014More like gay station
Imagine going to space but being delegated to the shuttle middeck launch seats with no window
>>16384027better than Starliner
>>16384027Orion’s quad launch configuration is similar. I don’t think the two lower seats offer any views lol
Starshit HLS won’t even have a pilot control panel. Just packed in like sardines, hoping that auto abort doesn’t trigger or mess up.
give us back our moon
>>16384036Men will literally come up with an entire outlandish hypothesis and try to connect the pepe silvia dots just because they thought of a name for a hypothetical astronomical object and want an excuse to name it
>>16384036sounds like bs. where did the moon go? why doesnt earth with its much bigger moon have this?
>>16384040ancient earthers stole it
>>16384042why didnt they make mars a second earth moon?
>>16384040a wizard did it
>>16384036I reiterate my idea of stealing Earth's moon and placing it around Mars. The urfers can have Phobos and Deimos, they are useless anyways.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qre-T7Zf3Co
>>16384047>The urfers can have Phobos and DeimosOne for the Atlantic, one for the Pacific
>>16384051based
>>16384051I wonder if sfg will be put on a watch list when planetary terrorism is actually possible.
>>16384036that's retardedeveryone knows the entire reason Mars got so fucked up was because a very long time ago it collided with or came into the close vicinity of the gravity anomaly 5 to 10 times the mass of the Earth that is on a highly elongeted orbit beyond Pluto and only comes through the neighborhood every 10,000 years or sowe used to call it Planet X or "Nibiru" before it's existence was confirmedit could be a dead star that was once the other half of a binary systemmost solar systems are binary, but ours isn'tbasically the difference between those charged bodies when brought into contact or close proximity created an enormous electrical discharge that blasted Valles Marineris into the Martian surface and vaporized it's atmosphere
>>16384061Yes, at least I will be, because I love mars like a fanatical maniac. I will not apologize. They can lock me up, I shall escape. I am bound only by mars’ gravity well
>>16384063Were you there?
>>16384063>5 to 10 times the mass of the Earth>it could be a dead star >10,000 year orbit>Valles Marineris was carved out by static electricityI never really got just how brain dead Planet X enthusiasts are until this post
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/09/brazil-judge-seizes-cash-from-starlink-to-cover-fine-imposed-on-elon-musks-x/These comments are unhinged.
>>16384075ars commenters? unhinged? I never!
>>16384075Keep me posted.
>>16384075we need an unhinged alternative to ars
>>16384075Why is borger still in that awful site?
hmmmmmmm
>>16384077>>16384079>>16384080>>16384081Maybe it's due to it being in the tech-policy section but the EDS in Eric's articles never seemed this bad. It's apparently fine that the other SpaceX investors had their assets seized because Xitter man said mean things on the internet. Of course the US State dept is completely asleep at the wheel or preoccupied with harassing Japan about their problematic chinese cartoons again to be of any help.
>>16384084NG is arguably the model citizen of large, bloated oldspace defense contractors. I cite the B21 program and the relatively trouble free history of Cygnus as evidence. Compare to KC-46 and Starliner.
>>16384067Once you notice the obvious similarities of the pitting and gouging you see on Mars to electrical scarring you can't unsee it.>NOOOOOO>HIGHLY ELLIPTICAL ORBITS ARE IMPOSSIBLEnow who's retarded
>>163840804ASS Journal of Misapplied Astronautics
>>16383898What kind of ISP could you get from a monoprop alloy of metastable metallic hydrogen and metastable metallic oxygen?
>>16384090NG is also partnering with Firefly for MLV.
>>16384114I'll go check. I have some in my freezer.
>>16384098>doesn't know about the martian thermonuclear warembarrassing
>>16384114wouldn't it just by hydrologgs ISP but denser?
>>16384086>Of course the US State dept is completely asleep at the wheel or preoccupiedI really hope you don't legitimately think the State Department turning a blind eye is an accident.
>>16384114hydrogen metal destabilized with laser zaps gets ~1700s by some estimates
>>16384129no, I think the phase change releases more energy than the chemical reaction
>>16384080spacenews?
>>16384139nobody reads spacenews aside from a few enthusiasts
Spaceflight operations and government/private industry launch and vehicle development should be mostly removed from NASA's purview and placed with the Space Force. NASA's mission should be payload development and space research, like a space-focused DARPA that also makes probes and releases all its findings publicly (as they currently do). NASA should be testing weird planes and propulsion and sensor instruments and peripheral human spaceflight stuff. They should not be continually balancing that stuff against procurement and management of launch systems. So many cool projects die for the sake of funneling more money into Boing & Co.
>>16384133Hydrogen metal gets destabilized by thinking too hard in its direction.
>>16384014Not that Steve. The Florida one. With a digestive tract of steel.
>>16383865>literate limestone
We might have a show on our hands tonight, Boys
>>16384163at this time of year?
>>16384163I see some red in the sky tonight
>>16384166
>>16384163What time? Where can I learn more?
>>16384155perfect for Boeing then
Bros I need ideas for a space themed Halloween costume that isn't a spacesuit because that's way too goddamn hard and my autism wouldn't let me wear it until every strap and vent was perfect Bonus points if it's something easily wearable for an office setting (i.e. I can sit down with it without it falling apart)
>>16384163Dammit I can barely see the moon tonight. Fucking Seattle.
>>16384175The best forecast I'm hearing is "look now, and if you don't see anything maybe try a little later." I'm just seeing what aurora-related tweets pop up on twitter. It looks like it's all over the place but that's no guarantee of consistency>>16384179The moon really is fucking things up
>Caltech researchers have found mathematical evidence suggesting there may be a "Planet X" deep in the solar system. This hypothetical Neptune-sized planet orbits our Sun in a highly elongated orbit far beyond Pluto. The object, which the researchers have nicknamed "Planet Nine," could have a mass about 10 times that of Earth and orbit about 20 times farther from the Sun on average than Neptune. It may take between 10,000 and 20,000 Earth years to make one full orbit around the Sun.- NASA>>16384127even if we put all our nukes in one spot and set them off we couldn't wipe the entire northern hemisphere clean down deep into the crust like you see on Mars, or carve a massive chasm like Valles Marineris you need to invoke celestial forces to explain these features
>>16384178You must be 18 or older to use this site
>>16383093>the only aft-facing thrusters are right next to the docking portYou're gonna toast anything you try to dock with
>>16384178Dress up as hayabusa kun>>16384183Planet nine doesn't exist. YouTube Ukrainian told me it was a star flyby that done messed up that there solar system
>>16384178Wear a toga and laurel crown and carry a model Saturn V.>look, I'm Apollo!That or a short sleeved white button down, a skinny black tie, and a bubble pipe.
>>16384178Space Ghost
>>16384175There's sightings as far south as New Mexico and Mississippi so if your local conditions are good you should try to take a look
>>16384196What time? Right now tm or soon tm?
>>16384198Right now.
>>16384199I don't see shit.
>>16384195Beefaronie
>>16384201I was only able to see anything if I didn't look at it directly, and it was too faint to show actual color
>>16384183Is that Caltech finding recent? There have been several such supposed mathematical findings claiming kuiper belt orbits are evidence of Planet X and the answer is always two more weeks of synoptic surveys.
>>16384178You're going to get all the bitches. Trust me.
>>16384178>Sad_SLS_costume_dance.jpg
>>16384178Go as Elon >Black tshirt>Pillow stuffed under
>>16384178chinese villager bleeding from their orifices from hypergolics exposure
>>16384075The writer shapes the tone of the comments. Their tech writers has Musk and everything Musk related. They even try to cover space stuff that Burger wont touch to put a negative spin on it. And the writers hate Tesla, FSD, Autopilot, Boring Company, xAI, everything Musk related.
>>16384178gene kranz/mission director dress code>white button up shirt>black tie>dark pants with black belt>white vest with a mission patch stitched on>plantronics MS50 or T30-1 headset>pocket protector with pens
>>16384178Krystal Fursuit
>>16384250maybe if he's made of money
>>16384250Kys hawaiian furnigger
>>16384250im gooning im gooning im gooining
>>16384178MCRN? its boring but wearable plus someone might recognize it too.
shut the fuck up retards it's not even october yet
>>16384263Shit your pants immediatly
>>16384225It's mad old at this point.But if they did get a positive ID on such a monster, there's no way they would let the normies know. You can't just let the Nibiru psychic vampire Annunaki reptilian people win after all these years posting grainy videos of shapeshifters on the evening news, that would be embarassing.I remember that 5-10 times the mass of Earth bit by rote now, but a couple years back I read something about revised estimates that are even larger. 20 times IIRC, just keeps going up. Cause the perturbations in Pluto's orbit suggest the object has to be even more massive than originally predicted.These numbers are probably conservative rather than representing the possible upper bounds.
>>16384225https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/caltech-researchers-find-evidence-real-ninth-planet-49523The quote he's using. Two more years.
>>16384272Latest search rules out 78% of the search space.
endorsedchinks BTFO
>>16384281Trumo has changed his hairstyle to look more squared off and presidential and less silly so gradually that I didn't even notice until now
>>16382899how probable is that the simply modernized T3?
>>16384263it is in auatrlaia numbnuts. southern hemisphere
China Now Has 1,000 Satellites on Orbithttps://www.airandspaceforces.com/ussf-intel-boss-china-1000-satellites-space-domain-awareness/china is doing well for itself
Does Felon Muskrat write the SpaceX website update posts? They seem very informal, especially the recent FAAggot curbstomp.
>>16384276>we continue to regard Planet Nine as the most likely hypothesis>Planet Nine could be more massive and more distant, potentially making it much fainter and harder to findthey definitely found it but are keeping quietwish I had the chops to understand how they processed all that imaging data>primordial black holethat is literally the dumbest shit I've ever heardhow the fuck does anyone take it seriously>condensed dark matter>Dark Energy Survey (DES) pffffffffahahahahahanodark matter and energy are the biggest scam in cosmology bar none
>hardcover version of eric "war criminal" berger's book isn't out til the 22nd of october locallyit's over. I thought I'd be getting to read it next week when the digital versions release
>>16384178Space Force uniformIt looks like a costume already Double breasted blue jacket (cowboy outfit may have this), remove one row of buttons Fold air force cap out of thick blue paper, grey pants, and stick a space force logo on the left chest.
>>16384075Most people are completely uninformed about the Brazilian situation and are proudly displaying their ignorance. They're just happy Musk is getting fined (not fined; the judge actually froze assets and confiscated them, which is about as brazen as you can possibly get as a judge). If they bothered to take even a five second look at the political circus going on down in Brazil they would be a lot less inclined to cheer it on. Here's hoping Musk finds something better to do than shitpost about political violence and pick fights with people who have the power to unilaterally shut his businesses down in their country.
>>16384315I expect this to end with Moraes going into prison
>>16384317Or dying in a shootout with police
2.2 months left
>>16384298>more massive and more distantBoringI wanted a terrestrial planet or a super earthIt's going to be yet another fag ice giant
>>16384324indeed
>>16384276A pair of 1.8m telescopes may not be up to this task. >>16384298>make the biggest discovery about the solar system in a over a century>say nothingYeah ok. I agree the alternatives are even more retarded however.
>>16384290Time to slow down SpaceX. RIght?
>>16384315Most people are informed about Musk. However most of the commies hang on to what the propaganda tells them to be informed about. That Musk is evil. That censorship is good. That civil disobedience is bad. That authoritarianism is good. Etc.
The aerospace Forces conducted a successful launch of the Angara-1.2 from the Plesetsk cosmodromeAt 10:00 a.m. from the State Test Cosmodrome of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (Plesetsk Cosmodrome) in the Arkhangelsk region, the crew of the Aerospace Forces successfully launched the Angara-1.2 light class launch vehicle with spacecraft in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense. Russian Ministry of Defense
>>16384348Yeah, the whole groundbreaking scientific discoveries being kept secret regularly for decades thing is a real buzzkill.They have their reasons though.
>>16384366>They have their reasons though.yeah its called a nobel prize
>>16384090That's because NG have to remain semi-competitive in order to maintain their market position. Boeing has the best lawyers and lobbyists on the planet, Lockheed remains unchallenged due to being seen as the safe pick (even if they are the most expensive), and so NG has to actually do things in order to justify their seat at the table.
>>16384370dude that's a side showthey had those things out to basically anyone nowadays>"for the invention of efficient blue light-emitting diodes which has enabled bright and energy-saving white light sources" oh wow thanks, we sure needed the kind of light that uniquely causes genetic damage to your mitochondria and apoptosis on exposureso "energy efficient">"for decisive contributions to the LIGO detector and the observation of gravitational waves" cool I guess>"for theoretical discoveries in physical cosmology" cosmology is a jokeKrauss and Kaku getting memed by geocentrist documentary film makers tier at bestthe nutty breakthroughs are mostly still confidential because knowledge is dangerouswhat the public is allowed to know is really just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to certain subjects
>>1638438880 iq post
>>16383106Lol dude get real. He has an empty rocket that can explode according to the plan. There are no plans how to fit humans and supplies for a trip to Mars in there. No plans for how a colony would work and what it would need. No plans how to survive radiation and lack of gravity. Should I go on?
>>16384391turn on the blue light filter, you will thank me when your sleep cycle improves
>>16384395>Should I go on?No, you've proven yourself retarded with>radiation and lack of gravity
>>16384178>office settingDon't do it anon, you need to suppress your power level, I believe in you
>>16383971When did he do that?
>>16384178Here is something you can wear in an office setting.
>>16384281We are so back
Can Mars axial tilt really reach 60 degrees? Different sources I'm reading disagree
>>16384483Not anytime soon enough for it to matter. It’s extrapolated to be over hundreds of thousands to millions of years based on what we know about the internal structure of Mars and its current orbital characteristics. We could use a lot more seismographic measurements and refinements
why havent we seen more space companies opening up shop in brownsville? there's a ton of talent there now.
>>16384487its a shithole
>>16384491Woah.... can you even imagine...
>>16384487Houston is more of the aerospace hub you’re thinking of. Why set up shop next to one private company with a private cosmodrome?HTX is where Johnson is, where the grant money and contract money is coming from, where your resources as a small aerospace business are located.
>>16384487Space is real but Brownsville is fake
>>16384487Not a company, but they had the Stargate, but it has since been absorbed into Starbase as it continued growing.
>>16384285very probableRussia just launched an Angara 1.2 space trolley with a couple of experimental military satellites.
I don’t know if needing to go to NRHO will cost a lot more dV, but 6 years ago Musk claimed a refilling in high earth orbit could get you to the lunar surface with enough fuel left over to return to HEO. Pretty crazy unironically, this could enable a Dragon/SS architecture.https://youtu.be/tdUX3ypDVwI~31 mins in
>>16384518Wouldn't radiation from the belts be a concern at those orbital altitudes?
>>16384520No
>>16384289It's October in Australia? Quite the timezone you got there. Next you'll tell me it's winter too and the govt banned seasons for causing climate change and the sun rises in the west? Koombooloomba? Toowoomba? Woolgoolga? Fake country, fake hemisphere.
>>16384517The space trolley problem
>>16384487It's aptly named. Also if you're doing anything involving humans Houston is where everything is.
>>16384315They would cheer for Pol Pot if they heard he was taking a stand against Musk.
>artemis has it's own vtuber now
>>16384559Is this a japan only thing?
>>16384183>invoke celestial forcesOh no, it's an electric universe schizo
>>16384566Yes. American Artemis /v/tuber would be black and trans to meet DEI requirements.
>>16384559We need some r34 of her and starliner-chan
>>16384559Heres a link to her youtubehttps://www.youtube.com/@ArtemisIchi
>>16383840You want natives launching rockets?
>>16384587Natives have the BEST fireworks. I'm not Canadian, but here in the states, the feather indian reservations are sort-of self governed, which leads to mass degeneracy like domestic abuse, drug abuse, casinos, unemployment (because welfare checks 4eva) and my favorite, FIREWORKS. Even if its illegal as fuck in your state, le happy merchant injun will be glad to sell you rockets that would be super illegal anywhere else.
>>16384559Is she only going to stream once every 24 months?
>>16384592kek
>>16384583Well, anon, it's your chance to conquer this unexplored market.
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1836026672036065680new launch mount may be portable (meaning able to be moved for refurbishment and changed out, not self propelled with wheels)
Who is making the best Starbase updates nowadays, Labpadre?
>>16384312>>16384290They really really need to get rid of the god damn ties and shirt collars, it looks dumb as fuck with the jacket. Either use a decent standing collar on the shirt or have the collar on the jacket go all the way round, similar to the pre-WW1 US Army officer's uniforms (look up photos of General Pershing for reference)
>>16384598I watch both NSF and labpadre, you can mute the voiceover on the NSF updates nowNSF tends to be like 5 days late when they come out (so like 12-5 days before)
>>16384599>or have the collar on the jacket go all the way roundThat's called a mandarin collar.
>>16384599
>>16384602>>16384603Looks amazing
>>16384600i mean labpadre tends to be
>>16384604looks fine, but its great compared to the current one
>>16384602>mandarin collarThanks anon, the name was on the tip of my tongue and I couldn't recall it.
>The British government has decided to continue funding the SABRE engine for the SSTO spaceplane Skylonb-but britain can't into space!
>>16384611that isn't going anywhere
>>16384611>The British government has decided to continue getting scammedftfy
>>16384611KSP had them years before Britain, yawn
>>16383935>experience loss of pressure>go to find your helmet>pass out and dieI think it needs some improvement
>>16384061Why wait?
>>16384168>>16384166well posted
>2 weeks turned into 2 monthsWhich circle of hell are we in?
>>16384183
>>16384599Turtleneck like Captain Kirk
>>16384611>SSTO spaceplaneSomeone please explain to me why money continues to be thrown at either of these concepts
>>16384575>in contrast to this one an American Artemis /v/tuber would be trans>implying implications
>>16384636No.
>>16384298>they definitely found it but are keeping quietPretty sure the response and papers mean the exact opposite.
>>16384613The hypersonic missile applications keep it alive
>>16384611>SSTOOh no, it's retarded.
>>16384639Because it shouldn’t be that difficult to achieve.
>>16384641
with global warming taking over, full on long sleeve wool uniforms are no longer viable. we have to consider uniforms designed for 120 degree weather.
>>16384646With chemical Isps its barely possible with near zero cargo. You power it another way with >600 Isp (nuclear lightbulb, beamed energy, metastable helium etc.) and its practical
>>16384648We don't live in Africa.
>>16384647https://x.com/rocket_EE_okada/status/1641958817553584128
>>16384661clear is so cute bros...
>>16384639I think spaceplane is an ok form factor for a crew capsule.Who cares if your space station taxi has a little too much dry weight? It’s worth it for the gentler reentry and convenient runway landing.
>>16384646Shouldn't how? Like philosophically? It is that difficult whether it "should" be or not. Throwing money at it for the last fifty years has resulted in nothing, less than nothing if you consider the shittle
https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-proposes-633009-civil-penalties-against-spacexWASHINGTON — The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) proposes $633,009 in civil penalties against Space Exploration Technologies Corp (SpaceX) for allegedly failing to follow its license requirements during two launches in 2023, in accordance with statutorily-set civil penalty guidelines.“Safety drives everything we do at the FAA, including a legal responsibility for the safety oversight of companies with commercial space transportation licenses,” said FAA Chief Counsel Marc Nichols. “Failure of a company to comply with the safety requirements will result in consequences.” In May 2023, SpaceX submitted a request to revise its communications plan related to its license to launch from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The proposed revisions included adding a new launch control room at Hangar X and removing the T-2 hour readiness poll from its procedures. On June 18, 2023, SpaceX used the unapproved launch control room for the PSN SATRIA mission and did not conduct the required T-2 hour poll. The FAA is proposing $350,000 in civil penalties ($175,000 for each alleged violation). In July 2023, SpaceX submitted a request to revise its explosive site plan related to its license to launch from the Kennedy Space Center in Florida. The proposed revision reflected a newly constructed rocket propellant farm. On July 28, 2023, SpaceX used the unapproved rocket propellant farm for the EchoStar XXIV/Jupiter mission. The FAA is proposing a $283,009 civil penalty. SpaceX has 30 days to respond to the FAA after receiving the agency’s enforcement letters.
>>16384679why the fuck do they bring this up now all of a sudden?
>>16384681The dems must be thinking trump will win so they're trying to screw spacex over as much as possible before they're out.
>>16384679>suddenly FINES out of nowherethe FAA is being weaponized by the biden-harris admin against their political enemies
>>16384679>noooo you have to slow down1!!>you didn’t slow down for us and it didn’t cause any problems? Fines!1!1!total bureaucrat death
>>16384681Continued lawfare, anything to stall SpaceX. We tried to warn you years ago this was going to happen, you said we were crazy.
>>16384684yes, the fines are so small anyway that the timing of this has to be deliberate and will coincide with with some other more general attack (SpaceX is too powerful and they are flaunting the law constantly, they have to be broken up etc)
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1dRKZdkBBRrJB
>>16384697the fines might be small but the fact that they happening helps create alot of negative press and public animosity towards spacex
>Former Space Shuttle Program Manager & Flight Director for 40 missions. Now retired from NASA after 32 years. Currently consults for SAS & a full time grandpa.What did he mean by this?
>>16384679FAA delenda est
>>16384705when i was working underground, only one person was allowed to dig at a time for safety reasons
>>16384679"Pleasure doing business with you."I like to think deliberately generating fines is the legal loophole Elon found to fund more FAA regulators.
>>16384714Use greentext you dumb redditor. Actually, just gb2r
>>16384700SpaceX used to fight the govt in court, but now they need a high launch rate so instead have been settling. No point litigating if it means you are grounded for years
>>16384679We asked for surrender 5 times. SpaceX should respond with a declaration of war.
>>16384679>deliberatly move too slow to approve change requests before mission launch date happens and SpaceX has to move forward>issue finedevilish
>>16383235Anon, 9 tons to GTO is well above almost every other rocket.That said without modification Falcon Heavy cannot lift more total mass than a Falcon 9 to LEO due to the structural limotations of their shared second stage. Falcon Heavy is a 'high energy' Falcon 9.
>>16384679https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46301>(d)Administrative Imposition of Penalties.—>(8)The maximum civil penalty the Administrator of the Transportation Security Administration, Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration, or Board may impose under this subsection is—>(A)$400,000 if the violation was committed by a person other than an individual or small business concern before the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024;>(B)$50,000 if the violation was committed by an individual or small business concern before the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024;>(C)$1,200,000 if the violation was committed by a person other than an individual or small business concern on or after the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024;>or>(D)$100,000 if the violation was committed by an individual on or after the date of enactment of the FAA Reauthorization Act of 2024.See you in court.
>drill large hole>some coils of very conductive materials>freeze it all down with liquid nitrogen or smth, idk>attach nuclear power plant to it>shoot stuff into orbitSomething like this would be so much nicer than using conventional rockets.
>>16384528What an awful thing to say
The federal government is too small and is unable to keep up with all the regulating it has to do.It sounds silly, but it's the simplest position to take.These regulations have been in place for ages. Just because the private sector has grown massively in recent years, doesn't mean you should throw them all out. They're there for a reason.Like if the number of waste water treatment plants doubled in the next 5 years, the solution wouldn't be to remove water quality standards. That'd be insane.
>>16384725The FAA should be restricted to a maximum wait time, and if the request is not approved/rejected within 30 days, SpaceX can launch anyway. Maybe that will speed things up
>>16384741I'll kill you
>>16382658>open europa clipper live stream>hear a female>close it
>>16384744>no argumentIf I have to share the same general as as you, I'll let you
>>16384741>new wastewater treatment plants treat ten times the water to a higher quality standard>fine them for not applying for a permit to move their offices closer to the plant
>>16383968two motherfuckers did this from the launch complex in ksc. The body flap leaned too far and if they'd known they would've crippen through the hull on their ejection seats. I guess it fling them about a second away before they'd go through srb's exhaust.They still used the same machine, but there's a huge void where the ejection rockets used to be.
>>16384679completely coincidentally, the SpaceX bid for the next government satellite launch increased by $633,000 (still far under ULA's bid using Vulcan)
>>16384735Yes, but -- the fines are under the statutory limits. Each count is a seprate fine ala Trump in New York. The real fun starts the year when the limit triples.And as always, thanks to the Republican Party for helping pass the enabling legislation.
>>16384741>too small
>>16384751>the fine is a slap on the wristSeems alright to me. 700k is the perfect amount to remind a large corporation to dot its i's and cross its t's. The location of offices (control rooms) seems at least a little important for safety.
>>16384760The fines themselves are bogus and they can't hide behind Chevron v NRDC anymore.
>>16384759>the government shouldn't enforce the law on corporations because the corporations will just charge the government moreCall me old fashioned, but I think the law should enforced in all circumstances, regardless of that type of threat.
>>16384761Gb2r
>>16384761Someone should tell these reddit chuds to cool it.
>>16384761>Sam_L_BronkowitzWhat?
>>16384647why can't you people ever meme? no originality.
>>16384772Who are "you people"?
>>16384761the sheer lack of self awareness from a *witz.. or maybe it's intentional?
>>16384596you know what that means :DALABAMA RIVER ROCKS!
>>16384764> Your Honor, these fines are totally bogus and gay.Sx can agency appeal, then go to court. Otherwise, pay up. Compliance is not voluntary. Unless you're one favored by The Masters.
>>16384725They could've just used the old infrastructure until the new one was approved I assume. Really no use to invite stuff like this but it's funny that the fines happen now and not a year ago.
>>16384763You're trolling, but if location matters why is NASA's MC in TX when they launches are in FL? Why are control rooms even necessary for unmanned cargo flights controlled entirely by computer? Why do they need to be approved? What arbitrary standards should they meet? What is the basis for the requirements? What expertise does the FAA even have related to rocket launches?
>>16384780>Compliance is not voluntaryCompliance is always voluntary.
>>16384780Wow a real golem sucking off the feds right here for us to see
>>16384787>golem>>>/pol/
>>16384787> Your Honor, I don't have to pay this speeding ticket because I dun wanna.Try it yourself. See if it works.
So who invited the glowie?
>>16384679Is this some joke related to Boeing?
>>16384780More like the FAA cannot promulgate regulations for things on the ground and not at an airport like control rooms and cryogenic tank farms as doing so is not part of its statutory authority. >>16384792That's not how it works. What do you think Relentless, Inc. v. Department of Commerce aka overturning of the Chevron was about? Agencies can no longer say XYZcorp broke our regs because we say so without first convincing the court they have the authority granted by statute to make them. I know that bothers you communists but that's how it is now.
>>16384804>obsessed with both spaceflight and US politicsI know you're a virgin
>>16384808
>>16384804If you feel that a spaceport is totally not like an airport because -- it's just not! -- take them to court yourself.> Well, I'm kinda busy posting my life away on a sub or a chan....Then don't bitch about the result of letting someone else do your work.
>>16384810weak bait
>>16384812Reality, Sonny Jim. Go down to the nearest Federal Courthouse, grab the right forms and file your own suit if you think you have the Law on your side.> Well, like I said, kinda busy right now...
What's up with twitteroids acting like Blue Origin is a wholesome #teamspace company?
>>16384820anyone that isnt elon/spacex is teamspace
>redditspacing>trolling outside of /b/
>>16384820I don't know, why don't you go and ask them?
>>16384826Why are you acting like Blue Origin is a wholesome #teamspace company?
>>16384820the employees get bathroom breaks as a perk
>>16384831Bathroom breaks are for earners, and are not a right they are a privilege.
>>16384833>earnersNice, lets see Blue Origin's earnings
>>16384828But anon! That guy from the Timothy Dodder video said BO was the best company he ever worked at!!!
>SpaceX Starlink has 2,500 airplanes under contract after United megadeal, director saysGod dmanStarlink is a money printerhttps://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/17/spacexs-starlink-has-2500-aircraft-under-contract.html
>>16384851Almost like Elon actually knows how to run a rocket company or something.
>>16384670>Shouldn't how?Technically. We have all the pieces. We have rocket planes. We have air launch to orbit. We have exoatmospheric planes. We should be able to combine them into one vehicle.
>>16384855I mean we can, you just can't use it for anything. It's a physics problem not a technology problem
>>16384851Having decent internet during a flight fixes a lot of problems of long flights.
>>16384855Lmao. Enjoy your puny mass to orbit capabilities and high maintenance costs. And that's *IF* you can even pull it off in the first place! Meanwhile we'll be launching hundreds of tons to orbit with rockets like sane human beings
>>16384855>>16384860stop using up so much of my screen space.
>>16384858>>16384860I just want a technical demonstrator. I don’t care if it’s an unmanned drone with no cargo.
>>16384866The Apollo Program included a tech demonstrator that performed 6 manned SSTO launches. They weren’t spaceplanes tho. Hope this helps.
>>16384866>I want to spend money on something doesn't have a clear path to becoming a useful productIf it was a viable idea you'd just do it and not waste time and money with some masturbatory tech demo
>>16384866I want it equipped with a Puckle gun
>>16384873pew pew pewpew pew pew pew pew
>>16384679>strategy backfires
>>16384879>back round
won't somebody please think of the piping plover?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OQdcEymuIk
>>16384890Who is responsible for producing this, and from where did they derive their funding
It’s on.Musk is filing suit against the FAA for regulatory overreach. It’s about to get dirty!Flight 5 might not happen this year kek
>>16384750Perfect! Now it's assisted suicide, not murder
>>16384360Angara and Plesetsk cosmodrome are simply… uninspiring? They illicit no response from me. Such a lame rocket.Kazakhstan is beautiful and the train transporter is cool. Plesetsk on the other hand (and even vostochny) is clinical and boring. Proton rockets are beautiful and I’ll miss them. Even chink Long March rockets are more interesting than Angara.What has happened to Russia? Such a fall from grace.
>>16384912Do those stupid fins even do anything
>>16384766I'll just call you a nigger instead. Nigger.
>>16384878the russian orbital segment is kino
Kinda crazy the FDA is moving faster with neurolink than the FAA with spacex
>>16384937
So why haven't pentagon come in and told the faggots to calm down in hampering the provider of 90% of their fucking payloads to orbit
>>16384942Think of the potential adverse consequences of putting some clean water on the ground!
>>16384951This is a great question
>>16384937of the ISS? it’s kind of boring. Your pic is nice and I’ll agree that russian utilitarianism / 80s cassette core CAN look great. The russian orbital segment isn’t it, though. Neither was Mir.Old russian planes are sexo though but for the same reason the old shuttle interior was, and 80s US planes were.
>>16384951I don’t think the pentagon is fully up to speed with the capabilities of falcon, let alone the potential of starship. They could see 30 falcon launches a year and not feel held back.
>>16384951The pentagon does not give orders to the civilian government. Realistically they can complain to congress and the president, and that's it. Unfortunately those assholes are the problem in the first place.
>>16384937For me it's the camera on Soyuz with the Russian readouts.
>>16384951It is a tap on the wrist for someone the size of SpaceX.
>>16384937Dragon 2’s tesla-tier touchscreen is GAY, despite how cool the company is I want sovl like this on HLS Starship
>>16384968It’s the principal of the thing; no one said SX couldn’t afford the fines. They can’t afford the constant and growing bureaucracy
>>16384970Agreed, I hate touchscreens I HATE TOUCHSCREENS
>>16384970Correct and truthpilled. Elon's vision of space is very, very, very gay to my mind destroyed by 1980's science-fiction. Literally the only redeeming quality of oldspace is the kino buttons and utilitarian designs, everything Elon makes follows the asthetic influence of an airplane toilet stall.
>>16384973Touchscreens are not bad, the problem with Dragon is that it's literally a Tesla-tier interior. Now have a look at A350 cockpit, where you have both physical buttons and touchscreens. Looks much better.https://visites360.aircaraibes.com/a350virtual/index.html
>>16384976would look even better without the touchscreens. also how come they get shitbox-tier seats
>>16384679https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836097185395666955>SpaceX will be filing suit against the FAA for regulatory overreach
>>16384937>not the russian orbital segment>not even a spacecraft>these replieskek
>>16384980
>>16384976Comparing apples to oranges, you dont fill up something with uselesd buttons and ways to screw things up if its not necessary and its not. Stop arguing for complication of the Dragon set up just got visuals sake you look like a total moron
>>16384980Oh fuck yeah I forgot they can do that now
>>16384980>>16384851the dems are currently trying to figure out how they can punish elon for this
>>16384976Touchscreens are bad because the control systems are tied in with the monitor. That means in the case of monitor failure you're fucked.We need more mechanical switches and buttons for mission critical systems.Give them a mouse and keyboard too so they don't have to keep reaching forward to accomplish basic tasks. It's like nerds don't care about ergonomics.
>>16384976One flaw to this design is the control stick input isn't mirrored to the other seat which was a factor in the loss of Air France flight 447. Another improvement would be an announciator that says ALTERNATE LAW YOU RETARDS if the plane switches to this mode as it doing so without pilot awareness was a factor in another crash. The concept of alternate law might not exist on Dragon though and control sticks certainly don't either however.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836116841221038532
>>16384995Good good, force Congress' hand. There is already bipartisan support and GAO is on board to strip their authority.
a lot of posts by Musk about the FAA issue
a Polaris Dawn crew spaces, over 1h long
>>16384995if the biden admin can go on fishing expeditions using frivolous lawsuits against spacex then the reverse can happen too
>>16384992Honestly though, are touch screens really a problem? When was the last time your phone was suddenly nonfunctional? You're telling me if you had three of them there's still too high a risk of failure across a few hours flight that's automated anyway? I think we're just there technologically, no more buttons forever
>>16385007The reverse? Going fishing using frivolous lawsuits against the government? Hey, that’s Jeff’s playbook!
>>16385011They've created serious issues on warships once of which resulted in a collision. They're fine for displaying information and controls for non system critical functions and redudant controls for primary inputs however. On the other hand I'd argue it's fine for how Dragon is currently used, I just wouldn't want it on something that requires actual manual piloting.
>>16385011>when was the last time your phone was non-functionalNTA, but I dunno, like a month ago? Touch screen bad, button good. Works after something gets knocked loose and smashes screen, or if your vision is somehow occluded. (Think helmet visors and life-support wonkyness.
>>16385025
>>16384980we are so back
why do you idiots hate shuttle when it was literally instrumental inc reating dragon? research dragon-eye.
von Braun would have loved starlink and live streaming diablo and factorio
>>16385037>this one payload justified setting us back 50 years, just do your research broMeds now
>soon Burger King will be strategically deployed asset by Starship for US military
>In a very odd turn of events, the vessel Hos Ridgewind does indeed appear to be attempting to recover portions of Booster 11.>Hos Ridgewind is at the splashdown point of B11 and has been for the past four days. They're recovering B11, or what's left of it.https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1836133345778110678
>>16385044chinese? russians? who else is in the area? maybe they think its about to get taken.
The U.S. Secret Service says they’re aware of Elon Musk’s deleted assassination tweet about Joe Biden and Kamala Harris : ["And no one is even trying to assassinate Biden/Kamala {thinking emoji}"]U.S. Secret Service : “[We] investigate all threats related to our protectees”
FAA has published the enforcement letters for the F9/FH fines. Notes:Regarding Falcon 9:FAA was informed on May 2, 2023 that there is a revised comms plan.FAA responded on June 15, that a change for the June 18 launch would not be approved in time.Bullshit infractions
>>16385046thats not a threat lol, go read ars comments, there are actual threats posted daily there
>>16385045Mexicans, at least that's the vessel's flag.
>>16385046Who is only one side allowed for calls of assassination?
>>16385044About fucking time
>>16385050And the crew most likely consists of Europeans, Slavs and Filipinos.
>>16385037For me it's more of a hate of a shuttle program that dragged on too long than a dislike of the technical qualities of the orbiter and launch system although that had its flaws as well. Shuttle really only sort of fulfilled it's potential for a couple years when ISS construction began and to a lesser extent during Shuttle-Mir. On the technical side it suffered from a design freeze which prevented it from ever coming closer to its very ambitious original design goals. Had there been further design iterations it might have improved upon this but costs would still only go up. The issue of foam strikes could never be resolved nor the slow turn around times and heat shield. STS-51-L fucked up NASA scheduling for nearly a decade and the program as a whole wrecked budgets for decades to come. As a result in 2010 were were still flying to space in tech designed in the 1970's. Launching and servicing HST is the most scientifically useful thing it ever did.
>>16385046That reads like a journalist was looking for a soundbyte by asking a loaded question. Gotta get those clicks.
>>16385062>dragged on too longMaking it off the slide show was dragging it on too long. If we kept building Saturns we would've done more with less money>servicing HubbleWould've been cheaper to launch a second Hubble. FUCK the shuttle (shittle, I call it)
I was thinking the other day in the shower, the only REAL way for space colonization is building a giant ISS-type nuclear space station with artificial gravity modules. There is no other way.You cant just confine 10-12 people in a tube for 7-8 months in 0G (x2 so 14-16 months of just pure interplanetary flight). Tons of studies show bone density loss (mitigated by exercise), kidney stones and kidney damage (probably mitigated by medicine), ocular problems, heart muscle loss, gastrointestinal problems (mitigated by medicine) AND very very low efficiency at hydroponics and other methods of cultivating food (plants really dont like 0g)If i was Elon i would scrap the "Interplanetary Mars Vehicule" and use Starship to build this kind of space station (using Ion-electric propulsion, nuclear for comercial is not yet here). Yes it will take probably another 10-15 years but it will be worth it
>>16385074Did you cry when you were asked to stay indoors for two weeks during covid?
>>16385076?
>Today, I sent a letter strongly encouraging FAA Administrator Michael Whitaker to accelerate the agency’s environmental review of @SpaceX’s project in Texas.>Texas must be allowed to continue to play a vital role in America’s space enterprise.https://x.com/RepKeithSelf/status/1836119991336472779
>>16384766FAA regulations are not law, particularly now that Chevron deference is dead.Moreover, what has qualified the FAA to judge tank farms and control rooms?
>>16385062Dr. MICHAEL GRIFFIN
>>16385083https://aviationweek.typepad.com/space/2007/03/human_space_exp.htmlfull rant
>>16385080https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/3153845/us-needs-real-permitting-reform/>The Biden-Harris administration issued new guidance this year forcing all federal agencies to include more burdensome environmental justice studies in all their NEPA reviewsHe has his marching orders
>>16385082The bizarre thing is how the designs themselves for non flight articles have to be approved any time there is a change no matter how minor. Instead of just saying the new control room/tank farm meets all existing regulations, industry and safety standards they're made to be second guessed by an agency that has less subject matter expertise than they do. It's like an HOA architectural review board almost.
reminder we support spaceflight and the EPA here
>>16385091>support the EPA I support removing the atmosphere
>>16385091fuck the EPA
>NASA has awarded a contract to Intuitive Machines, LLC of Houston, to support the agency’s lunar relay systems as part of the Near Space Network, operated by the agency’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.>This Subcategory 2.2 GEO to Cislunar Relay Services is a new firm-fixed-price, multiple award, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity task order contract. The contract has a base period of five years with an additional 5-year option period, with a maximum potential value of $4.82 billion. The base ordering period begins Tuesday, Oct. 1, 2024, through Sept. 30, 2029, with the option period potentially extending the contract through Sept. 30, 2034.https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-selects-lunar-relay-contractor-for-near-space-network-services/
>>16385099>intuitive machines got a $5 billion dollar handoutthats more than spacex ever got wtf
>>16385091Suffer not the environmentalist to live
>>16385020Redundancies in control systems is correct.I didn't know about the warships thing. That is terrifying, how that can be an issue. I want that engineers head on a pike.>>16385011>we're just there technologically, no more buttons foreverPeople like you shouldn't be within a single kilometer of any spacecraft.Touchscreens are a step backwards technologically. Until we have holographic interface don't talk about progress.Monitor failures happen.Redundancies are very fucking important.Mechanical buttons and switches are critical and there is literally no reason to not have them.There is no good reason to use touchscreen interface for these systems when mechanical systems have worked just fine for so long.And touchscreens alone? Catastrophically retarded. The fact that anyone ever thought a touchscreen interface alone was sufficient demonstrates the competency crisis in full swing.
>>16385099Good GRIEF… what is this relay? Is this like, ground-to-Gateway-to-Earth? Or is it talking about that dumb intranet they wanted so that every stupid CLPS mission can talk to eachother
FAA needs to be removedFCC needs to be removedEPA needs to be removedBiden/Harris needs to be removed
>>16385108Why don't we just get rid of the entire government?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836151356668940762
>>16385027One redundant button is not enough.We need a backup redundant button on a separate override in case of button cascade failure.
T-1:30:00"the launcher" is sending up another European satellite, and they optimized the trajectory to recover the booster this time. Also it's the booster's 22nd launchhttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1836072848231940442
>>16385084>Most of the present discussion will focus on the U.S. government civil space program. I will have some comments on the international scene and on the possible role of commercial space, but for much of the next five decades, the U.S. government will be the dominant entity in determining the course of human space explorationDr. Michael Griffin is one of the most disgusting creatures in modern spaceflight commentary. His vision for the future is soul-crushing and completely without ambition, he labels timetables that are designed to destroy interest and momentum as "reasonable," and he assumes that a complex of bureaucrats and subcontractors THAT HE WAS A LEADING PART OF FOR YEARS will now suddenly begin to show an interest in pursuing manned spaceflight now that their powerpoints are powered by Mike Griffin's dreamy rhetoric. He is a disgusting faggot and he should be beaten until he dies.
>>16385106>what is this relay?>As part of the contract, Intuitive Machines will deploy lunar relay satellites and provide communication & navigation services that play an essential role in NASA’s Artemis campaign to establish a long-term presence on the Moon.https://x.com/int_machines/status/1836142676296773798
>>16385115Put that panel under a big cover you have to open in emergency cases.
>axiom's financials are in dire shapewtf i thought they were doing well? they have space station modules in development, 3 flights under their belt, and another 1 on the way and yet they're broke?>Forbes reports that Axiom Space, which was founded by billionaire Kam Ghaffarian and NASA executive Mike Suffredini in 2016, has been struggling to raise money to keep its doors open and has had difficulties meeting its payroll dating back to at least early 2023. In addition, the Houston-based company has fallen behind on payments to key suppliers, including Thales Alenia Space for its space station and SpaceX for crewed launches.https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/09/a-key-nasa-commercial-partner-faces-severe-financial-challenges/if axiom is on the verge of bankruptcy then it makes me worried for vast too
>>16385099how long until intuitive machines say it's too much hassle for too little money and abandon the project?
>>16385125Why would they do that?
>>16385121you read my mind
>>16385111Remove regulatory abusers from having power
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1836116841221038532?t=rqKbQLeca0kIcLR6TDmGfw&s=19SpaceX suspects political along doing from FAAs part
>>16385123if axiom goes under then NASA won't have a suit provider, the other one already dropped outbut why do you think Vast is in the same place as Axiom? Axiom always seemed kind of oldpsaceish to methe module station is very conventional, the suit is very conventional, both are just copying and extending NASAs similar techVasts plans have been to exploit Starship from the start as far as I know, the two things they launch before the Starship class modules are just for pathfinding (small platform for propulsion etc testing and then a F9 class standalone module for additional testing with crew and other systems)Vast also seems much more ambitious
>>16385133because vast isnt generating any money unlike axiom
>>16385123>>16385133This goes back to this guy's recent video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G60Y3ydtqYexplains alot.
>axiom has 1,000 employeeswhat the fuc lol
>>16385123Artemis is so fucked if axiom goes under wtf. This is horrible news.
>>16385074>VehiculeYou go in the pisslock for that alone.
>>16385126To save face from their shareholders and to not admit they're not able to deliver.I have very little confidence in IM to pull off a human first of effectively establishing a brand new communications network around another body by itself, especially after the years of delay for IM-1 and its' tip over.Nasa is desperate to not become a rubber stamper for SpaceX missions and is wasting money on CLPS to do so.
>>16385099Holy shit, $5 billion for some relay satellites??How the fuck does NASA keep getting ripped off like this? How long until Elon shitposts that SpaceX could have done it for 10% that cost?
>>16385144Axiom going under and SpaceX developing a viable moon EVA suit would make that even worse lmao
>>16385132scroll up zoomer
>>16385123Vast has a vastly more realistic and achievable roadmap. Haven-1 is a simple MVP station, and is schedule to launch next year on Falcon 9. I am cautiously optimistic of Vast's prospect unless Haven-1 slips for more than a year.>>16385137Yet it is Axiom that is running out of money after investing many years on hardware on ground. Vast otoh has one simple module that is launching next year and will immediately start generating operational income.
>>16385146They have starlink already operating and all it would take is to launch some modified stinks into moon or it with more powerful lasers to make up for the greater distances assuming they can't already operate at that distance
And levers.We need levers that make the DWOOOOO sound like in Star Wars when Kenobi shuts down the tractor beam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPLDpwpXy5MFalcon 9's getting ready to launch another pair of European shame payloadsT-59:00
>>16385144For 5 billion dollars they could hire a necromancer to resurrect everyone who worked on the surveyor missions. I really can’t see them failing to deliver with that much money.
>>16385123OH NONONO
>All of this raises significant questions about Axiom's ability to deliver on the primary reason the company was created—to build a successor to the International Space Station. Suffredini joined Ghaffarian in the venture after serving as manager of NASA's space station program for more than a decade. When they founded the company in 2016, the plan was to launch an initial space station module in 2020.>The timeline for station development has since been delayed multiple times. Presently, Axiom plans to launch its first module to the International Space Station no earlier than late 2026. And the company's ambitions have been downsized, according to the report. Instead of a four-module station that would be separated from the government-operated space station by 2030, Axiom is likely to go forward with a smaller station consisting of just two elements. This station would have lower power and reduced commercial potential, according to the article.>NASA plans to issue a "request for proposals" for the second round of commercial space station contracts in 2025 and make an award the following year. Multiple sources have indicated that the space agency would like to award at least two companies in this second phase. However, Ghaffarian told Forbes that he would prefer NASA to decide next year and award a single competitor.>"Today there's not enough market for more than one," he said.yeah axiom is fucked. they hired a guy to run the company who burned all the money then fucked off after he made his millions.
>>16385155throwing money at a problem won't guarantee its going to get solved, why do people think it can?
>>16385158this sounds really bad, a two module stations sounds like a waste of time
>Axiom has lost significant amounts of funding on three private astronaut missions it has flown to the International Space Station to date. Ghaffarian said these missions were conducted at a loss to build relationships with global space agencies.>The publication reveals that Axiom is due to pay $670 million to SpaceX for four Crew Dragon missions, each of which includes a launch and ride for four astronauts to and from the station encompassing a one- to two-week period. This equates to $167.5 million per launch, or $41.9 million per seat.
>>16385155I wonder how much pocket change it would take to get SpaceX to set up some lunar relay satellites with prototypes of the full-sized Starlink v2s with longer-ranged lasers? It'd certainly cost a lot less than $5B.
>>16385084>https://aviationweek.typepad.com/space/2007/03/human_space_exp.html>some noname retard typed something therefour it must be true!
>>16385144The problem is that NASA/Congress budget is being strangled by SLS so nothing else can get properly funded. CLPS companies take retarded shortcuts on launch costs which means cutting corners on physical robustness like we saw with the two failed landers. The old Surveyor landers showed how to do it. Launch directly to TLI and brake directly into landing. NuNASA tried putting the cart before the horse, spinning up a bargain priced lunar economy without reliable reusable LEO-LLO transportation and propellant depots.
I don’t even see Vast making it to be dēsu. Very bleak right now in the commercial industry because there really isn’t an industry in the first place! SX is the exception not the rule.Congress, as we all know, does not have any interest in Artemis besides keeping SLS funded—and there is going to be quite an awakening when China gets close to putting bugmen on the Moon, Congress does a welfare check on NASA/Artemis, and finds pretty much EVERYONE has gone under, is 10 yrs behind schedule (yes even in 2029 people will need 7, 8, 9 more years for their obligations), and nothing is ready to go.Total SpaceX sweep when they come to save the day and get humans back to the Moon pretty much single-handedly. I wouldn’t be surprised if even SLS gets cancelled
up until today i was under the assumption that we would have 5 or 6 space stations before the end of the decade. today i wouldnt be surprised if the chinese station is the only one still standing in 2030.
I can't be the only one who thinks audio/visual feedback from ship systems is beneficial to the morale and mental health of the crew.
>>16385123There is no new space. only space x
>>16385169SLS will get cancelled if SpaceX keeps doing what they are doing, which sadly isn't 100% guaranteed at this pointthe lawfare is getting really bad
>>16385093Environment Prevention Agency
>>16384599Space Force uniforms should've taken inspiration from LoGH, the cravat looks very fashionable and contrasts well with the black jacket
New Glenn will eat Starship. No this is not bait. Starship delopment has been a SHITSHOW and it wont be operabiyreusable. New Glenn will be far more reusable than falcon.
>>16385175Cow-tying SpaceX just because Mr. Musk supports the “other side” and doesn’t want to play by your censorship rules would be the absolute most shoot-your-own-foot retarded move the government could ever, ever, EVER do to themselves. And I wouldn’t even put it past these unelected marxist bolshevik fucks who are running our country right now.Shuttle set us back 50 years. Restricting SpaceX to “Starship only a few times a month” with constant fines, investigations, and groundings would set us back an additional 100 years I’m not even joking. We would basically be conceding half of the strategic lunar surface and probably the optimal Martian colony spots to China.
>>16385183most people wont mind. they think spaceflight is a waste of money or that only the government should be involved in it.
>>16385184Yes but I think the real problem is that even the elected officials and people with authoritative power don’t even care, or realize the severity of the shifting landscape and danger to USA power in space they pose by stifling SpaceX
>>16385183It’ll just make him relocate to friendlier lands. Or even the open seas.
>>16385183Not really. These people care way more about censorship of their political rivals than they do spaceflight. These people would abandon the moon and Mars to the Chinese and congressionally mandate that all American payloads fly on SLS if it meant they could unperson every wrongthinker who ever posted a meme about them. Earthers only care about things on the Earth.
>>16385171nasa will keep pushing iss to not let that happens
>>16385178It's neat and simple and completely lacking in the weird scifi embellishments that always seem to end up on space navy uniforms. It actually looks like something real people would wear.
>>16385171I have enough faith in the American commercial spaceflight industry to hopefully put up a single-module one before the end of 2029.
>>16385186they'll 100% arrest him if they think he's going to move to another country. if they cant then they'll extradite or assassinate him.
>>16385193How long until it’s unrealistic? You might be able to push it another decade? But she sure as hell don’t have have two left in her. Solutions are needed quickly and NASA needs to either give up on its hyperauthoritative expectations for Commercial LEO Destinations, or be prepared for a period where there just simply isn’t a station for them to visit. Might have to say goodby to that November 2000 record for a permanent presence if no one is on Gateway and the Chinese are doing an intermittent crew swap.
>>16385183>conceding half of the strategic lunar surface and probably the optimal Martian colony spots to Chinathat's their entire programwhat you think is incompetence is actually deliberate
>>16385194Exactly, and if anything more embellished uniforms will be actually less practical in space if they restrict flexibility or have a lot of loose gizmos hanging off them. The double-breasted coat of the USSF looks way to thick and long to be comfortable in zero-g, but then again the Space Force is actually the Earth Non-violence so they probably aren't concerned with actual spaceflight practicality.
But when the world needed him most, he vanished
>>16385196Ahem, you called?
>>16385205>Space Force is actually the Earth Non-violencedude, that's the public frontwe all know space is weaponized now
>Starlink is now available in Yemen!https://x.com/Starlink/status/1836169600142315648
>>16385214???????????????
>>16385216???????????????????????????
>>16385181>No this is not baitNo, this is dragonbait.
>>16385201i'm sure bo can realize orbital reef before 2040
Why aren't the Galileo sats going up on Ariane?
>>16385224Umm apparently Sierra Space is run like a hound house without any dog food and the second-largest contractor on that shitstation is Boeing! so, I might not count on it. There were already rumors circulating at the beginning of last year that Orbital Reef just isn’t a priority for Blue Origin and that then and Sierra had a bunch of internal disagreements about management and funds and operations.
>>16385227Because they ordered the launches when nobody knew when or even if Ariane 6 would fly?This is not some on the fly decision.
>>16385220I bet you love big, thick, heavy and rough dongs dont you
>>16385227Ariane what? The retired one or the one that isn’t ready yet
>>16385230The more you spam political shit in spaceflight general the more inclined I am to not vote at all
>>16385236Don't project your faggotry onto me, "chad".
>>16385229Sierra space could launch a single inflatable module and it would be enough to replace the ISS.
>>16385074It will take 9 months to get to Mars, 6 months if Elon's best predictions for Starship are correct, and people have lived on the ISS for over a year and returned and adjusted just fine. Keep in mind that Mars has like 1/3 the gravity of Earth so there won't be as much of a shock for re-adjusting to gravity there. What you are worrying about is a nothingburger, however for much longer stays in space (like 2+ years) then we would probably need artificial G.Honestly your post reads like concern trolling but I am going to assume you made it in good faith and post this reply.
Musk, you bloody bastard. 4K on X when? What happened to the everything app?
what did the SpaceX lady say they're doing with the booster this launch? Didn't catch that
>>16385246It’s not that easy see >>16385210. Bigelow literally has a module up in orbit right now. Based on NASA’s design for TransHab. Sierra would need a fleet of life support, power generation and maintenance, thermal control, and docking ports. You can’t hand wave these as trivial, every aerospace company lists these things as a technical challenge because problems tend to compound. It’s literally half the reason why SpaceX had such a poor bid for CLD and they’re the kings of the industry
>>16385208What's with these business magnate types going full Howard Hughes?Elon is next clearly
>>16385249oh found ithttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1836174515002552623
Décollage!
>>16385208>starliner docked to the modellol
>>16385253Thanks yeah I was wondering that as well. Might see a booster failure lol
wat da booster doin
engine rat!
booster is bing chilling
>>16385255does ESA also have a stream for this launch?
>>16385256It’s like a cursed omen
>>16385261No, I'm just saying it in the spirit of an ESA mission
>based fuel
another boring landing
another happy landing
Perfect
>>16385267nah, was extra spicy. Down from 6000 km/hr instead of the standard 5000 km/hr. Sad we didn't get video this time.
>Haha we're trying some new stuff and pushing it to the limits it might not work but that's life>Literally flawlessI love SpaceX
>>16385273When you've launched 22 missions with the same booster, you can afford such frivolities.
>>16384993>mirroreddo you mean translated
>launched 22 missions with the same boosterwhatno, you did maintenance on that chassis and replaced components
>>16385275kek, yeah>>16385276calm down jeff
>>16385276I don't feel like arguing with you over the Ship of Theseus paradox right now so I'm just gonna call you a retarded nigger.Replacing a few parts doesn't make it an entirely new booster.
>>16385251Each inflatable has life supported etc built in. The core of the inflatable houses all of the life support equipment. They are designed to be self sustainable even with just one module.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G60Y3ydtqYso space stations currently cant work out financially because it costs too much to launch dragon and there are too few people it can launch at a time. we have to wait for starship to launch people before it makes financial sense?
>>16385205>they probably aren't concerned with actual spaceflight practicality.They’ve changed it since then, but when the space force first came on line every single one of their MOS descriptions listed “astronaut”. They do have some idea they’ll go up. But there’s also rumors some of those NSSL launches are manned.
>>16385282I never looked into why Bigelow called it quits but I assumed this was why.
>>16385276>NOOO THEY CHANGED O-RINGS ON IT IT'S NOT THE SAME BOOSTER!Spend that energy building a better rocket, Tory.
>>16385282>we have to wait for starship to launch people before it makes financial sense?Yes.
>>16385279>>16385278first, that's not actually a paradoxit's a definitional problemI am aware that maintenance is good and extends lifespan and operational duration of the chassis.If you knew exactly which components are necessary to replace between missions you could hypothetically spit it out.
>>16385285Bigelow closed shop during Covid. He kept waiting for a launch vehicle that never appeared.
>>16385288Let me guess, you get a new car every time you put on a new set of tires, don't you?
looks like space stations will need to make most of their income from things other than tourism>research>manufacturing>communications>fuel depot
>>16384970retvrn to physical navball
>>16385290I don't change tires at all, ever, because I'm a better driver than you in snowy conditions.
Why did I only find out now that there's been an inflatable prototype hab literally in orbit for 15 years now? What the fuck has NASA been doing? What the fuck? Why am I paying taxes?
>>16385285I thought he was abducted by aliens because he was getting too close to the truth. He was definitely a believer.
>>16385293In other words, you don't own a car.
>>16385294>Why am I paying taxes?Because, despite decades of complaining about the stupid shit their stolen money is being spent on, people are still reluctant to start shooting tax collectors.
>>16385282Minor problem. Starship is too fucking huge for any of the small initial stations that companies are looking at doing. It's oversized and would be able to dock with small stations. You really would need a very large space station for it to make sense, but you aren't getting any large stations any time soon because it's not a proven market. Bit of a bootstrap paradox. Launch costs need to be cheaper, but the only way to make them cheaper is a ship that requires huge stations, which require small stations to be made first, that require the huge ship...Stoke seems like the only solution here since their rocket is fully reusable and the second stage is basically already a return capsule. If they could get crew launch costs down then maybe it could work for the short term until large stations make sense to build. Honestly there seems to be a need for a reasonably sized, fully reusable platform that is specifically made to make crew transport economical.
>>16385210Doesn't count since its not inhabited or even habitable.
>>16385288It was a poor choice of words but funny if taken literally.>>16385289Does he plan to come back if one does? Or license/sell the tech if its worth doing so? An inflatable module scaled up to Starship's size would be cool to see.
>>16385289Why didnt he go Falcon 9?
>>16385301Sierra space already has plans for a starship class inflatable. It's 5 times the volume of the ISS.
>>16385297You have no idea how well I drive standard transmission.
>>16385299I mean that's the market he's targeting. If the future of space is the big fully reusable rocket and the small fully reusable rocket I'll be happy
>>16385306>5 cubic kilometers Isn't this a little much? What would you even put in there?>>16385309
>design a 9m space station or satellite or whatever to fit in starship>starship decides to put header tanks in the nose and now you have downcomer pipes and a 8.75m diameter limitKEKED
>>16385299Just realize the original Dragon concept: 7 seats, propulsive landing on land.
STAGING>>16385317>>16385317>>16385317>>16385317>>16385317
starship doesn't have micrometeorite armorI may be wrong but I believe micrometorite armor is basically a fancy combination of aluminum and rubber and kevlar layers
>>16385296That's not how abductions work. you don't just randomly get abducted. John Mack did research on this in the 90s. You either are an abductee for life or you're not one at all. Also it follows families. If your parent(s) are abductees, you and your siblings are ones too, and your kids will be, and their kids, etc. it's actually really specific and repeatable among the people he interviewed. >>16385310>What would you put in thereEverything? Manufacturing, research stations, food growing, space hotel accommodations. A film studio. Microgravity Sports arena. Whatever you want really.
>>16385306>plansI'm tired of plans, this is another perpetual two more years project. Maybe finish Dreamchaser first? Bigelow already put the engineering work in but I guess the laid off engineers needed to go somewhere.
>>16385322the pointy tip is relevant ablatively
>>16385280Then yeah they better fucking get on it.Took ‘em forever to get cargo dreamchaser ready (STILL not ready, actually, despite the commercial cargo contract being awarded in circa 2016). I wouldn’t bank on them being able to get an inflatable module equipped to house a minimum of 2 astronauts for a year ready any time soon
>>16385306Sierra is an unserious company. SNC spun off their space division to save face
>>16385306>5 cubic kilometers
>>16385091I don't support your right to breathe
>>16385111on earth
>>16385294> inflatable prototype hab literally in orbit for 15 years now? What the fuck has NASA been doing?Using it as a garbage stow.
>>16384980Called it. Similar suit that SpaceX filed against USAF that let them into the game in the first place. Starlink has become a money printer in a way that they can basically go big on this lawsuit and seriously peel the onion back on all the bullshit.
>>16384851>$10k/mo per dish for planes>2500 planes on contract>That's $25M/mo from the fleet or $300M/yr from the fleet from United AirlinesDelta airlines is the second largest with nearly 1k airplanes and the top 6 biggest airlines in the world are all US, followed by 2 European and 2 Chinese. If SpaceX captures all US fleets and at least 50% of all European and South East Asian fleets, Starlink can easily print them $1-2Bn/yr in revenue from just that. Probably another $1-2Bn from its subscriber base that will grow over time, in turn meaning revenue grows over time, and then factor in maritime subscription and DOD subscriptions and that number could probably jump to $6-8Bn/yr over the next 3-5 years. In essence, by 2030, its all but guaranteed that SpaceX will claw back every drop of R&D spend on Falcon 1, 5, 9, Cargo Dragon, Crew Dragon, Starship, all suit development, AND Starlink up to 2024/2025 from birth of company.After 2030, they'll probably become completely decoupled from any funding requirements and gov/commercial contracts will become purely prestige offerings. It would be the Amazon/Apple/Nvidia/Tesla ($1Tn) event for SpaceX--and the only thing that would stop them then is full blown administrative hostility and open attempts at dismantling their business.
>>16385169VAST is made up of ex-SpaceX people. Their MVP station is basically the equivalent of a DragonXL/2nd stage repurposed similar to Starlab. They originally were gonna bet the farm, but have since drawn down into do the grasshopper station, then the Falcon 9 station, and then the Starship station. I see VAST, and potentially Gravitics as being the two most likely to succeed. Part of the reason AXIOM is fucked is that their commercial crew flights were quite expensive, with the $670M payment they owe to SpaceX. That's a load of cash. On top of that, their most recent Thales Alenia factory tour, showed that they're basically doing the super thin milled hull design that all old space is masturbatorily obsessed with doing. This costs a lot, slows down production of modules, and means that each part is essentially not mass-producible. Instead of going hardware rich with development, they went hardware poor and they have nothing to show for it--leading them to downsize their ambitions from 4 part station into a 2 part station. They screwed themselves.
>>16385299>we're now on the timeline where SpaceX will yeet a Moonship to LEO and call it a new space stationnani sore
He should be getting on his knees and slurping Kamala's coochie if he wants to go to Mars. Maybe donate a billion to the DNC? Elon is a retard
>>16382810They doing this again?
>>16383332we need vis length telescope because it's cool. Elon is about making cool things. We've no real need for UV telescopes just like all other space stuff, space programs are just welfare for scientists
>>16384851I wish I could have invested in SpaceX or Starlink. I would have gone balls-deep and made a killing.
>>16384855You have all the pieces necessary to become a male prostitute. You should do that instead of posting about spaceplanes. It would be less gay.
>>16385288It's an instance of Heraclitus' paradox of change, and a fundamental issue in any conception of identity, not a problem of defining your entities more carefully, you double nigger.
>>16385293t. drives on bald tiresgood work, champ
