>>16447701bullshit
>>16447701>dark energythe cosmological constant>dark matterwe don’t know
Electromagnetic radiation of undetectably long wavelengths (aka gravity)Next question
>>16447701>our models for the physics of the universe don’t make sense>theyre gonna cut our funding if we don’t give them an answer>uhhh oh yeah forgot about this totally real thing we discovered that conveniently makes our models work here you go pls gib 10 million dollars
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>>16447701>Implying we understand the observable matter>Implying we can predict proton mass>Implying we understand plasmas>Implying
>>16449211What are you getting at? The proton mass can be calculated directly in lattice QCD.
>>16447701Hypothesizing about something that's missing to salvage your theory after making wrong predictions is understandable when it's the best theory you have. But when another theory comes along that predicts things like galaxy rotation and universe expansion without any dark stuff, it's time to call bullshit on the first theory and move on. We now have that second theory in the form of Quantized Inertia, so the dark stuff is just cope for General Relativity being wrong.
>>16449387Lol
>>16449754Nope. QI does not predict anything new. QI basically copies the equations of MOND, which are 40 years old. So it didn't really provide anything new. And like MOND, QI is very limited. MOND works on the scale of galaxies, but on the larger scales of clusters of galaxies and cosmology it falls apart. The Bullet Cluster is a famous example where the gravitational lensing is offset from most of the normal matter, something unthinkable in radial models like MOND. QI does exactly the same thing. But McCulloch waves his hands and says something magical happens, but he does not provide any substantial argument or quantitative analysis of these systems. It's "predictions" for dynamics have already been falsified, with wide binaries. People are still arguing about GR vs MOND, but QI is just way off.https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2024MNRAS.527.4573B/abstracthttps://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019MNRAS.488.4740P/abstractAnd then when it comes to the actual cosmology, there is no quantitative model which describes expansion and the formation of structure. And there is glaring contradictions, in the fact that McCulloch uses some numbers from standard cosmology (e.g. the radius of the universe), which was calculated assuming dark matter and energy. So you see the very basic contradiction, that QI supposedly replaces these things and yet cannot calculate anything independently.
>>164477011. come up with a physical theory and equations2. yey, we science now, we know everything, trust us3. oh, it doesn't apply to anything we actually see in the galaxy and beyond?4. fuck you, we KNOW better, let's keep the theory and fix the results by adding imaginary matter and energy that nobody can see5. now it works perfectly fine and we, scientists, are right again6. trust science
>>16451919>you dont believe me>i dont care give me billions in funding>and you arent allowed to have political opinions that disagree>yes our dingbat teachers get to program your children for decades
>>16451919Academic trained prey
>>16449260>Implying that millions more european Christians than the Nazi regimes “sworn enemies” didn’t die>Implying that Hitler didn’t gladly take funding in exchange for letting certain families off the hook>Implying German culture isn’t obsessed with micromanaging reality itself, as thousands of years of history have told us>Implying this is the right board.
oh hey it's this thread again
>>16449260Hitler converted the jews to dark matter and thats why nobody can find any evidence of any of the 6,000,000 dead bodies
>>16459244>nazi superscience operation paperclip kidnapped the wrong guys. rockets are pretty neat-o, but nothing compared to dark matter
>>16447701It's non baryonic matter. That's all. We're just used to everything being made out of baryons. So we found something in the universe not made of baryons and it doesn't fit any of our models. That's all.
>>16447701dark matter could be the sort of the same concept as a wave function before the collapse.
>fake>wrongall those retarded posts in here are cringe. and at least 70% is posted by /pol/tards.you all act as you would understand this but you are just little childs playing around.watched 20 min of a popsci docu on youtube and now act like you would be experts.it took me literally years of reading books to get a glimpse of it.you act as if science is not aware of the inexplicability or as if scientists would not consider that it is not matter/energy.admit to yourselves that your passion, your willingness to work and your brains are simply not enough.
>>16462702I find it interesting that dark matter cultists are 1:1 with globists. Just tell people how it is. Don't ask questions; we know more than you. That's Science, right? That's how your Science works?
>>16463778sorry I dont speak offended clown.
>>16462702you've never studied astronomy even to the point of passing astro 101, you have no idea what you're talking about and you're projecting your ignorance onto everyone else because you presume that everyone is as ignorant as you are. there is a plethora of professional astronomers who are convinced dark matter is a work of fiction including almost everyone in the references of this paper
>>16465701>>16465701That paper is nonsense, dark matter has many pillars within observations: Rotation curves, galaxy clusters, weak lensing, the cosmic microwave background fluctuations, big bang nucleosynthesis, galaxy formation... Gupta doesn't show he can explain any of that. Instead he is looking at a single dataset (baryon acoustic oscillations) and showing that in his model he doesn't need DM, but his model cannot explain all the other things I listed. The power of standard cosmology is it's ability to fit all current data simultaneously, Gupta is looking at the data one plot at a time. Secondly, it's not removing the need for assumptions like DM, it's just adding different ones. Instead of having dark matter he adds both time varying cosmological constants and some magical tired light model, each of which is a dark matter sized assumption. So wow, he has removed one model parameter by adding two more, this is not a simplification.Gupta's papers are lazy and uninteresting. And his model of having the physical constants vary with time is already ruled out by lunar ranging. https://astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm> including almost everyone in the references of this paperLol no, that's not how references work. Look up some of the random papers he cited, you will see few even mention DM. There are people who work on models without dark matter (e.g. MOND), but these models are not simpler and they all have big problems matching observations. Modifying gravity or dynamics is no simpler or better than having it be a particle.
>>16449754> so the dark stuff is just cope for General Relativity being wrongAll theories are wrong. Whatever replaces General Relativity will also be wrong. Just less wrong.
>>16465859I found a dark matter particle, it exactly matches prediction, it is confirmed, the appropriate mass, charge, spin, size. It was very hard to detect but me and my team did it in our schools collider. We have already been corroborated by major journals and publications, so it will be quite soon the data and news is made. In your estimate, where does the science go from there, now what?
Dark matter deniers when I show them a window.Anyways dark matter really is just a way to measure our error from prediction to measurement. Why do you give a shit?
>>16465931Is it an axion? Or something else? Anyways, do you have an expected publishing date, that does sound interesting if you are not larping.
They just couldn't accept fact, that constants and laws of physics are local, and particles a little bit divergent across universe, so they blamed niggers and we have dark energy now.
>>16449110>the cosmological constanteven einstein wasn't stupid enough to believe in it
>>16447704Kek. Timeless
>>16465859>The power of standard cosmology is it's ability to fit all current data simultaneouslyie Garbage in garbage out
>>16447701>matter had anti-matter just because it does >energy doesn't have anti-energy (not an energy sink, but something that attracts energy itself)>can't see anti energy because all of your high energy or low energy experiments are looking for energy signatures
>>16447701dark matter is normal matter
>>16447701dark matter == gravitons
>>16447701Dark energy is ethereal mana, Dark matter is condensed mana. Earth is currently moving through a region of space devoid of mana, but that was not always the case, that is why we have myths of magic, it used to be real.
>>16447704>bullshitHey I wanted to post that 8D nice.Fuck Dark matter and Dark energy nonsense.>>16447701>what is it?Made up nonsense like everything in science, did you not know science is making up bullshit with no evidence?Science is the worlds most retarded religion.
>>16451893>Dude we like totally know how all galaxy clusters look like and work from our earth locked telescopes.Nothing outside what your silly science calls a galaxy this galaxy exists.>We like can totally calculate all these speeds and rotations of these super far away galaxies by looking at these small light dots blinking!You have nothing, you are a joke you are exactly like astrologers.If you where not a narcissistic retard you accept that the only way to measure these things is to build a spacecraft to fly there. Only we can not do this.You are a modern astrologer looking at blinking dots in the sky and making up bullshit.
>>16475580>>16476695Real thread here: >>16490354Einstein:>Oi my theory says atoms can not explode!Atomic bomb happensEinstein:>Yes exactly like predicted by my E=mc2 theory!That guy is a joke.Alos(((STAIN)))
>>16490218Okay - there is a hypothesis that states science knows all possible forms of matter and has good estimate of how much of said matter exists. Certain astronomical observations provide indirect evidence that the above hypothesis does not match reality, and that our model of what kinds of matter exist will need to be adjusted.
>>16490303Lol, I am working on a sort of science fantasy book that works on a similar premise - an alien device on the Moon specifically keeps all the mana particles away from the Earth & Moon, but when the first astronauts arrive on Mars odd stuff starts happening that they eventually figure out is basically magic.
Empty space is just a dielectric k value of a capacitor. More space equals a higher k value.
>>16447704Never learned how a calculator works, did you? Taylor series was an eye opener. Made me wonder why "imaginary" numbers were taught as such in high school instead of as complex numbers.
>>16491192Don't calculators use chebyshev polynomials?
>>16449128>Next questionwhat's the mathematical model of your assertation?
>>16490372Retard.
>>16447704/thread
>>16491334The same as the mathematical model for electromagnetism, because it's just electromagnetism
>>16447704>I can't see the glass in my window so that means it doesn't exist and we can't learn anything about it.
>>16491590Yes, yes. We know. You can do that. What a tired answer. The point is how certain people are about it.
>>16447701Dark matter and dark energy is like the perceived retrograde motion of the planets, except a lot worse.
I presume we'll opt for the big plan rather than just sorting this problem if our reach is to ze stars
>>16494330Show me a soul bending light.Related, what is the scientific reason christians are all retarded?
>>16494356Christians invented science
>>16496548
>>16494356souls can bend light, create light and snuff it out, souls are what animates life, without souls there would be no light
Is this what passes for intelligence for you people? What a perfect way to show how you idiots celebrate ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is forgivable, you dumbasses celebrate your lack of knowledge and call yourselves smart. Holy fuck.What is dark matter? It is non baryonic matter. That’s all, that’s the great mystery you idiots are getting worked up over.>but I don’t understand!You didn’t even try to learn. We have so much evidence of the existence of dark matter. It reacts gravitationally and we can measure it gravitationally. We can essentially take pictures of how much there is and where it’s concentrated by measuring its gravitational interactions with normal matter. It exists, it’s real, it doesn’t interact with light. It is non baryonic and we see its influence through gravity.You would know that if you dumbasses took time to learn but you didn’t. You revel in your ignorance and pretend you know better than those who actually study this shit but because you know better than them you never even bothered to look up what they know.
>>16499654you think denying obvious reality is some sort of masterful trolling?
>>16501008>i'm smart because i believe in invisible made up stuffbad coping mechanism, what are you compensating for?
>>16491579If gravity is electromagnetism, why is gravity chargeless? Where is the positive and negative gravity, why is all mass attractive?
>>16491718at least epicycles has some meaningful legitimate use in terms of being able to use them as an way to do time and calendar related calculations. dark matter has zero functionality
>>16502837>why is gravity chargeless? Where is the positive and negative gravitywtf does this even meanwhy is the light coming from your flashlight chargeless?where is the positive and negative light?>why is all mass attractivebecause electromagnetic waves diffracting around objects generate a magnetic moment opposite to the direction of travel of the em wave
PressureWe know who is geberating all the porn and I just moved global politics after them now they are forced to move politics again and we know the only politica they know
>>16501726>I don't believe in the invisible man in the sky>Dark matter? Oh thats totally real for surewhy is the scientism region like this?
>>16506371because it is the religion of low IQs
>>16490372both pix r fake
>>16508381Bottom one is faker tho.
>>16447701>what is it?Spirit, Eternity, God, etc.
>>16509455soience sois can't cope with the idea that there might a form of intelligence in the universe higher than their own, thats what attracts them to atheism
>>16509410Right, nobody is pretending the top one is real
>>16447701these scientists are so fulls of shit lollmao thats the best they can do>only off by 2000%
>>16459244lolfukkin hitler, whatta sneaky character
>>16512311>by one order of magnitude for the whole universeyeah terrible frauds
>>16447701>black holesthe don't exist>galaxiesif they're so well understood how come nobody has a way to accurately account for their velocity fields?
>>16516571Good pic, its funny because its true
>>16515498people who claim that they're capable of understanding whole galaxies are people who have narcissistic delusions of intellectual grandiosity.
>>16519707thats how science works these days, nothing is real, its all imaginary fantasyland lies
>>16501008>What is dark matter?Something that has not been identified so far.
>>16520549Well, they had aether before that.
>>16447701>>16519707There wasn't enough genders there to make the jewish deception work?So they "invented more"?>>16520549>thats how science works these days, nothing is real, its all imaginary fantasyland lies>science>implying
>>16520671aether and dark matter aren't the best comparison because aether wasn't invented post facto in order to justify the continued existence of a theory that was clearly wrong, epicycles are a much better comparison
The matter that floats in it is what orbit would be
>>16520549That sounds insightful, and yet original, but at the same time daringly contrarian anon. Might I say, a curve-ball for the boffins and know-it-alls. Perhaps. In other words, it's something for them to maybe have a little mull over or chew over, let's say. Something to get the old noggin joggin. Something to put in their pipe and for them to smoke it...a-and you know, the t-thing
>>16520671Luminoferous aether ware proved by LIGO, and you confuse contractions to space, which is not elastic, to physical topology, objects in eather, which is elastic.
>95% of the universe is actually just stuff we can't say or prove exists95% is a lot. It's such a huge amount that it makes me think the more reasonable explanation is that the current cosmological models are just wrong and missing something important
>>16523103The idea that some loser who can't even figure out how to get a girlfriend is capable of understanding the entire universe is a glaring example of developing grandiose delusions as a coming mechanism.
>>16522694Has Anyone Really Been Far Even as Decided to Use Even Go Want to do Look More Like?
>>16522841>space expands in the presence of energy >space contracts in the presence of matterit is elastic
>>16520549The sort of creative writing involved in developing a theory as fake as dark matter at least shows that some amount of intellectual effort was put into it
>>16527236whats the science behind pilpul
>>16529327pilpul is actually a hot topic in the sciences these days, but they call it "AI" rather than honestly labeling it what it is
>>16447701For fucks sake how stupid are you people?For the thousandth time, the terms dark matter and energy are just placeholders.Look, I will make it simple for you.There is an observed effect caused by something we can't detect. So we come up with those names, 'dark energy" and "dark matter" as temporary placeholders until we do find out what is causing it. Right now nobody knows what the fuck they are.Fuck me. You understand the use of variables in mathematics, right?x + y = zThen as the data becomes available we learn that x = 1 and the equation becomes1 + y = zThat is where we are right now with dark matter and energy. Still missing critical information, so we cant solve the equationBut sooner or later we will find out what it is, like learning that z = 31 + y = 3and then figure out the rest. Hey, fuck, y = 2.I mean fuck, is this so hard for people to understand?Jesus Wept. Right now there could be lots of explanations for dark matter and energy. We might even find out that there is some feature of ordinary matter and energy that we just haven't detected yet, and that all this "dark" stuff is just its manifestation when observed on a cosmic scale.Motherfuckers. I am not going to explain all this shit again, so I hope you paid attention.
>>16530481Cthulu was going to rise from the ocean today, but because of dark resistance, he was unable. No no no, it is just a placeholder for any number of possible things. Cthulu is definitely coming.
>>16447704Reality says1.49 + 1.49 = 3 but they rounded down to 1 to get 1 + 1 = 3 because adding decimals was too hard.
>>16447701>The matter we understandNo we don't. Its just not completely fucking impenetrable like the other two.
I would like to add "dark chucklefucks".We know that the world consists of rational people and chucklefucks. Rational people can be reasoned with, they can be educated, they often have something worthwhile to offer. Chucklefucks are just wastes of space, who consume our precious oxygen, and contribute nothing but dumbfuckery to our world.You would think that the rational people would have long ago eliminated the chucklefucks, for being a drag on society. Or at least severely limited their breeding. Its the reasonable thing to do for any rational people.Yet chucklefucks continue to proliferate. In fact it can be argued that their numbers are increasing in proportion to rational people. What can possibly be the reason? I say it must be "dark chucklefucks." There must be a source of chucklefucks we cant directly see, yet we can detect their presence through the sheer amount of dumbfuckery that happens in the world.
>>16501008There is not enough gravity lensing between galaxies to demonstrate the dark matter hypothesis, I really don't understand how this DM theory has lasted so long
>>16447701it doesn't matter
>>16531302>I say it must be "dark chucklefucks." There must be a source of chucklefucks we cant directly see, yet we can detect their presence through the sheer amount of dumbfuckery that happens in the world.and you are 100% rightthat source is jews
>>16447701Influence of the Immaterium
>>16449754QI predicts nothing and is just a one-man circlejerk
>>16533365>Influence of the ImmateriumInfluence of the unicorns
>>16533367>QI predicts nothing and is just a one-man circlejerkbullshitactually QI fits 100% with all observations without adding magical matter/energyDARPA just spent $1.5M on research if QI is validif QI is true it will let us build cheap near-light-speed enginesit predicts a travel to Proxima Centauri can take as little as 10 years
>>16535479>actually QI fits 100% with all observations without adding magical matter/energyLol nope. QI copies it's dynamical equations from MOND, a decades old model which was built to match galaxy rotation curves. But these aren't true predictions, because MOND was developed to fit these data. If you extend MOND/QI beyond the scale of galaxies it falls apart completely, the model cannot fit galaxy clusters (they have too much apparent mass). McCullough waves his hands here and says, "oh, it's very complicated, you can't do the calculation normally", but since then (more than a decade) he has produced nothing to fit galaxy clusters. And then there are all the other observations not explained by QI (dwarf galaxies, strong and weak gravitational lensing, cosmology, the cosmic microwave background, primordial nucleosynthesis...). QI offers absolutely nothing new over MOND, which was developed in the 80s. Literally all it does is rotation curves; this is much less than 100% of the data.QI is also riddled with contradictions, like the fact a key parameter is the "radius of the universe". But it takes the value from standard cosmology, which includes dark matter and dark energy in this calculation. If you remove these components, you would get a totally different value, and yet QI is based on a number which includes these things that McCullough claims it doesn't need. In fact the only place it diverges from MOND is that it lacks the external field effect. And that alone puts it in conflict with observations of wide binaries. https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2024MNRAS.527.4573B/abstracthttps://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019MNRAS.488.4740P/abstract>DARPA just spent $1.5M on research if QI is validThat was 7 years ago. What did they get for their money? Fuck all. The grant ran out 2 years ago. Had DARPA been satisfied with the results, they would have given additional funding. Since then, not only has his "lab" closed, but McCullough lost his job.
>>16535479>near-light-speed engineswhat about laser swords and aliens and all the other retarded comic book and star trek movie memes? are those all going to come true in two weeks too?
>>16536886Really wish the people who watch sci-fi would stay on /tv/ or /x/ instead of posting here. Sci-fi is such brain poison
>>16535585>harvard.edu100% guaranteed fake and gay
