>Can algae grow in outer space?>What about algae in 0g?>Hmmm algae in a vacuum??when is Elon going to decommission this fraudulent trainwreck
The Chinese have already built a far superior station
>>16456109Elon has his own fraudulent trainwreck to deal with.>Threadly reminder that raptor engines are simply too pussy to boost the Starship to orbit. Clustering them doesn't "increase" the thrust, it only creates interference patterns in the exhaust and inevitably creates a bottleneck in the fuel supply...this is why green exhaust from cooked, exploding engines or fuel line blowouts are a routine on every flight to date. The efficiency takes a huge hit that the quantity of engines cannot possibly compensate for.>The net result is that a dead-empty Starship is still unable to achieve orbit and can only fly on a parabolic arc into the Indian Ocean, its maximum possible range. Landing the booster in Mechazilla is a hollow victory, because it's impossible to know the capacity of that given booster...it may actually be weaker than the Falcon Heavy or New Glenn, due to mounting inefficiencies.>To effectively test ANY rocket system, a ballast "dummy" load is typically used. Additionally, if Starship were capable of reaching orbit, this would be the best place to "park" it so its systems can be reviewed and a closer landing site can be prepared and the vehicle examined, post-reentry. Musk fans need to ask themselves why neither of these tasks are occurring.>What you are watching is the most elaborate vaporware demo in history.
Between the useless space station, the useless supercollider and the sausage telescope how many trillions of dollars has the scientific community wasted on completely useless ostentatious bling?
>>16456282its a pt barnum world.
One (1) starship has a pressurized volume higher than the ISS >$150 billion space station built from 40 space shuttle flightsvs>~$50 million space station from 1 starship flight I know the government is inefficient but a 3000x cheaper solution is unprecedented
>>16456312>3000x cheaperJWST was originally proposed as a project with an estimated price tag of a mere $500 million. And it ended up costing $88 billion. But to the scientific community its always cheap when they're spending other people's money, the more money they waste the bigger they can brag about how important they are.
>>16456312>pressurized volume>3000x cheaper solution is unprecedentedSince when is that fucking thing "pressurized", you deluded twat? I don't mean at some "future date"...since when is that useless suborbital tin can "pressurized" NOW?Retard.
>>16456388What would be required to pressurize it
>>16456388EDS is a sad thing to see
>>16456388They're just 'doing our jobs' for the paycheck. Don't expect them to listen to justice other than what their dumbass boss thinks.
>>16456866Most professionals in this world are scamming us to earn their paycheck. There's little order. There's little governance beyond finance and war. This is a game where the rich get to decide what they want to do even if it's stupid to the most of us. Take mars for example. It barren
>>16456685Pressure.
>>16456880do we have this technology?
>>16456109Tardigrade Ranching will be a huge space industry. Screenshot this.
>>16456346Money well spent, given that it proved God.
>>16456112>The Chinese have already built a far superior stationhighly superior inflatable from alibaba.
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>>16456883Elon doesn't
>>16458046is elon in the room with you now?
>>16458002hardly a fair comparison though since the chink version has had just a handful of gooks on it and not for very long. ISS has hand hundreds of people from all over the world carrying out thousands of projects for 25 years. crap tends to just build up, you know, plus its an old design, older technology.
>>16456112>CHYNUH NUMBUH WUN!Impress me by doing something original for once.
>>16456388Lol they're working on reentry. Getting to orbit is easy. If they wanted to send up a station like I described they could've done it already.
>>16456346JWST was originally proposed as a project with an estimated price tag of a mere $500 million.And it ended up costing $88 billion. Wat? Where'd you get the 88 billion from? thought it was 10.
>>16458704sunk cost fallacy (especially easy with taxpayer money). they should have abandoned it as soon as it passed a billion.
>>16458704it was already over 10 million ages before it launched. they stopped counting the cost just before they reached to 10 billion mark, everything after that came from the general nasa budget.really shows you how ashamed they are of their own wastefulness that they decided to change the accounting to hide how much money they were spending. if it was $88 billion or only $14 billion doesn't make all that much of a difference, the point is that it was originally promised to be a tiny percentage of either of those numbers.
>>16456109LEO space stations are just a massive cope for not being able to venture anywhere further. >hurrr I'm uselessly in orbit 200 miles above the surface doing nothing worthwhile or going anywhere at all. srsly who cares, what a stupid waste
>>16461695t.guy who knows nothing about anything
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What are the coolest experiments done on iss or just outside it in vacuum lately?
>>16458693>Getting to orbit is easyReminder... by their sixth flight...>Saturn V had landed astronauts on the Moon>Space Shuttle had carried humans to orbit six times and deployed an EMUAgain, saying "It'll happen" is faggot talk...there's a long list of shit Musk said his companies would do but never did.
>>16458002>New thing, built upon decades of development and only tried-and-true, mature technologies, looks better than the initial prototypeGee, I fucking wonder why.I've no doubt the Chinks can produce something better than even the current ISS, but the thing is they're doing it NOW, after all the faults have been ironed out of the concept, and have had a ton of time ot improve upon the legacy Soviet hardware they started out with. Tiangong *is* a big achievment, but it isn't innovative in any real sense
>>16465616>Saturn V had landed astronauts on the Moonwell, it got them on the way to the moon by giving the CSM the extra boost for TLI. But comparing the development of the SaturnV to that of Starship isn't such an honest thing to do since they have very different funding, time pressures, personnel and end goals.
>>16465628Why isn't the West building a new space station?
>>16465951The idea is that there will be several smaller private stations offering scientific facilities etc instead of one big government station.
>>16466419soon
>>16458002sovlesssovl
>>16465951space stations serve no purpose other than to allow nasa to pretend it still has astronauts.it's like comparing the voyage of columbus to some retard who sails a few miles offshore and is fed resources from a continual line supply ships.
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>>16456109>when is Elon going to decommission this fraudulent trainwreckAnd do what instead? See if algae can grow on the Moon?You're so fucking close to the truth but your (justifiable) fascination with space exploration just can't let you see the truth that it's completely pointless.
>>16466765Don't interrupt them. Maybe one day all the space retards will finally leave this planet and move to the moon so they can be dissatisfied with that too. They're never going to realize that its themselves who are tedious rather than Earth and convincing them so only means we'd be stuck them.
>>16456109There isn't login to be a formal decommissioning, they're just going to send up some female astronauts and a few drills and let nature take it's course
>>16466567space travel in general is useless. earth is where humans live.
>>16465951There are multiple competing station designs in the works currently, the next one is going to be a commercial station.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rud7lad49-A
>>16457059This shit is so far beyond our technological means or knowledge, this post will be referenced in history archives.
>>16467970>they're just going to send up some female astronauts and a few drills and let nature take it's courseThat entire fiasco still pisses me off whenever someone even utters a mention of it.
>>16469295in spacenobody can hear you drill
>>16469291Just imagine how good a juicy tardigrade burger will taste after a long day in the Titanian methane mines. My mouth is watering just thinking about it.
>>16469282>a commercial station.how can a "commercial space station" even exist when space stations have no commercial use or value?
>>164715931. NASA will lease space without having to manage the entire operation.2. Companies will lease space for microgravity R&D.3. Tourism.
>>16471593>no commercial use or valuemaybe you just dont know enough to judge the issue?
>>16471602>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinkingCommercial space station would already exist if the private sector thought they could be profitable.Musk spent billions building a massive satellite network because he thought it could be profitable, he would already have his own space station if he thought he could make money on it
>>164739211. Launch costs have been higher in the past.2. Much of the profit will still come from NASA's operations, but it allows NASA to save money by splitting the cost with the private sector. 3. It may or may not end up being profitable, there's always a bit of a gamble with business ventures. Either way, NASA gets a new station to replace the ISS.
>>16465616Saturn V wasn't sustainable, reusable, or capable of doing anything but getting boots on the ground. You fundamentally do not understand what Starship is and represents.
>>16473953>muh free gibes for nasanasa is a trash agency that produces nothing but waste, they're leeches who stand in the way of progress, doing anything for nasa is shooting yourself in the footmusk has been putting stuff in orbit dirt cheap for a decade now and nobody wants to build a space station because space stations are useless, their only purpose is to allow nasa to send up diversity so they can take selfies in space.
>>16474105theres zero point trying to reason with that kind of person. they dont care about details or understanding anything; its all just an excuse to bitch and complain and feel superior for them.
>>16465951https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Gateway
>>16473921Starship doesn't exist yet. While I won't say that Starship's costs and lift capabilities will make a commercial space station viable, it's silly to say that if such a station can be viable that it would already exist as the economics of cargo lift to orbit continue to change.>>16471602NASA would have to sign a very long term contract. Being at the whim of annual budget cycles would be too high risk for investors otherwise. R&D is one of those things that people always say but it remains to be seen if that will actually be economically viable or was something the government did to justify to spending on the Shuttle and ISS. Tourism is an interesting angle but that's something that already exists and becomes less desirable as the novelty of being able to say you've been to space wears off with more having been there. How quickly was Polaris Dawn forgotten about?When it comes down to it, there's just not enough information yet to really know how viable a commercial space station would be. The US government could make it viable in an instant by simply making it a mandatory part of NASA's budget to least space on it.
>>16475113theres plenty of evidence on the demand for research space aboard the ISShttps://issnationallab.org/about/annual-quarterly-reports-metrics/ar2023/in-orbit-activities-the-iss-as-a-research-platformjust search "demand for research time ISS'. it's busy.
>>16456109yet another 'experiment' in seeing how much of the goyims' money scientists can uselessly waste. imagine we spent $100billion just so some fags could take selfies in space
>>16477119Space station holds the all time world record for the biggest waste of money
>>16478141The costs skyrocketed, leading to astronomical waste.
>>16475183>https://issnationallab.org/about/annual-quarterly-reports-metrics/ar2023/in-orbit-activities-the-iss-as-a-research-platformthe only people doing microgravity research are university retards burning through grant money.no one who expects any sort of return on investment is spending money on this shit.
>>16478317>80% commercialdid you not read it?
>>16474105>>16474744>Saturn V wasn't sustainable, reusable, or capable of doing anything but getting boots on the ground. Setting aside your attempt to minimalize the greatest achievement in mankind's history up to that point as merely "boots on the ground", the Space Shuttle was sustainable and reusable AND human rated AND an orbital vehicle AND deploying payloads by its sixth flight. Five flights in, the Starship has only demonstrated partial reusability of its thruster components.Way to cherry-pick the argument.
>>16456109>Can algae grow in outer space?>when is Elon going to decommission this fraudulent trainwreckThis is earnestly the single most interesting and relevant thing the ISS could be doing right now. Astrobiology is neat. There's around 131 different species of bacteria, fungi, yeast, and other various microbes, that can subsist and exist within the vacuum of space upon the surface of the ISS. Some of these organisms are picked up by the shuttle, others are of mysterious unknown origin currently - perhaps lifted up by sea spray. Furthermore, the station is being decommissioned in 2028, so you'll have to find something else you don't understand to shit and piss about. In some capacity I'd actually like to see a devoted 'artificial orbital reef' structure installed, just to see what would grow, but I understand letting a large object orbit around the Earth unattended would never be permitted.
>>16480097im not minimizing anything at all. THe saturnV, Apollo, and shuttle were great and i spend time reading about them all the time. But i also think Starship is going to be great too, something you seem to have a problem with. That there are differences in the testing and development of Starship is of no concern and makes a very poor comparison.The cherrypicking is all yours.
>i need to waste a trillion dollars of other people's money because of muh escapist comic bookish soience fiction fantasy life that i use as a means of distracting myself from what a total repulsive failure i am on earth amongst humanity
>>16481084better that than the $3 trillion poured into fucking Africa
>>16480623>But i also think Starship is going to be great too, something you seem to have a problem with.See >>16456282 ...Starship will never be "great". It's a scam. You see all the CGI mockups of the fucking thing sitting on the Moon or ever Mars and you think it's actually capable of that. It's never even come close in reality and it's even flawed on the conceptual level. The estimates are that it will take anywhere from eight to twenty refueling flights with a nonexistent tanker and a nonexistent fuel transfer system to finally send it on its way to the Moon with 100 tons...Block 2 of the SLS can do that in two flights. Block 1 can do it in four flights. Even Falcon Heavy can do it in six. Where's the advantage?>That there are differences in the testing and development of Starship is of no concernIt's of huge concern to me that people are now actively talking about cancelling SLS in favor of a rocket that has done...nothing. Hasn't carried a payload, hasn't orbited the Earth. The first flight of the SLS sent a payload in orbit of both the Earth and the Moon.Did it cost more? Fuck yeah. Did it perform flawlessly? Absolutely. Ever heard of having a bird in the hand versus two in the bush?
>>16456109even if the space station did NOTHING at all it would still be important to have humans living in space.
>>16481430Time will tell if your unreasonable point of view has anything but EDS driving it. Meanwhile, there's not a thing you can do to change anything so you might as well enjoy the show.
>>16481432It serves as the final deterrent against the chinks. Were anything to happen, this baby will take out so many three gorges dams.
>>16482275>Time will tell if your unreasonable point of view has anything but EDS driving it.Time will only prove me correct, lol. Even today's launch is yet another suborbital vaporware demo.
>>16482880if you want to see it as a bad thing you will.
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>>16481084I'd rather my taxes get put into fucking cool space research and explanation than it going to Israel or Africa.
if elon musk is so smart how come he doesnt bring the astronauts on the failing space station back home?
>>16485663it really become a blackhole for funding though as the star of US, Russian and a constellation of world nations space programs, it became the center of gravity for orbital research and study.
