Why are scientoids so triggered by /ourgirl/?
>>16469723What does Dave's list of publications look like? Let's compare it to that of Sabine's to see which one is more qualified to make sweeping statements about science.
>>16469779You are committing a credentialism, which is the sin of agreeing with a crackpot Science denier, and then pointing out their (supposedly) legitimate credentials. Unfortunately, this does not make for a valid argument, for only conforming to the Science, as Professor Dave does, grants validity to an argument.
I'm confused. Is science failing?
>>16469793it is a valid argument, your opinion on a subject is only valid if based on your experience of it, Sabine is entitled to her opinion as she did experience academia and research, "professor" Dave has not in any way, so his opinion is rubbish. People shouldn't have opinions on what they do not know.
>>16469793>believing the more credentialed scientist is science denyingretard
>>16469856Ever heard of Nobel disease? Even credentialed scientists can be Science deniers.
I've seen this woman and that neckbeard over and over here, what the fuck is the drama even about?
>>16469723God bless this woman doing the lords work of trolling reddit fags.
>>16469962I have no idea but I just saw a single image of this Dave dude and I instantly knew he was a retarded Jewish manipulative "I fucking love söyence" "trust the experts" faggot
>>16470013Imagine being so retarded you push big corp and jewish propaganda without even being paid off by them
>>16469793>credentialismHis whole video's argument is literally "you can't tell if the whole science is failing because you are doing only one field of science and not all of them". Let's now agree with his statement and look at who the guy is:>chemistry bachelor drop out>most of his youth spent trying to be a musician in LA>never worked as a scientific researcher, only worked as school staffIt seems like he can't really know either if science is failing or not.
>>16470076No but he is a youtuber and he copmmunicates science! and he debunked flater earfers and moon hoaxes and climate tards!
>>16470076i think he calls himself professor for the same reason women insist on being called dr. last name or name ph.d.>men go by first name with no phd or dr>women require dr or phd for statusthis guy is the same
>>16470116It's literally just narcissism, women and effeminate men are more prone to narcissism.
>>16469793Credentials are proof of merit though. Do you have intelligible reason to distrust her merit? If not, then decrying "credentialism!" is a fallacy iself!
>>16469793>>16470211Also where I am from "Professor" is a protected title.Consider this, why would a guy with objectively worse credentials give himself a title which he categoricaly cannot have? Because he is a sour grape fraud!
>>16470211Credentials are only proof of merit as defined by those handing out the credentials. Do you really trust the academy to be the arbiter of who possesses this merit?
>>16470219What arbiter gave Professor Dave the credential of Professor?
>>16470215>Imagine being watched and caught stealing then doubling downHamburglar tier retardation
>>16470116Meanwhile Sabine doesn't even attach any titles to her name even though she could because her work can stand on its own without relying on her accreditations
>>16469723Interesting how leftist “trust the science” antiracist basedbeard guys have wrapped around the horseshoe to meet far right conservative guys like Motl.
>>16470297>>16470219t. "professor" dave
>>16470228Himself? Do you consider "Professor" Dave a legitimate arbiter of the credential? I certainly don't. It's just branding bullshit to make himself attractive to pseuds and midwits. My point above is that credentials are only as valuable as the people handing them out can justify. Someone can say "credentials are proof of merit" but that statement is meaningless because you have to define what merit is and how it is measured. The Academy defines merit in a few ways, the most easily measured are degree attainment and number of publications. Degree attainment itself is a bog of bullshit and number of publications has more to do with how good you are at jerking off other academics than actually doing science. Sabine is right that the academy is a corrupt institution in service to its own perpetuation rather than actually doing science and exploring reality. This is blatantly obvious because every human institution succumbs to the same thing -- it is human nature, the nature of human societies, arguably even the nature of any "life" structure under thermodynamics, to accumulate, build palisades, and stagnate. This is the nature of all things in the face of scarcity.
what's sad is he's not wrong and this thread is exactly what's wrong with Sabine's videos.
>>16470471>incel mansplainers questioning the expertise of a female scientist even though she has a PhDNot surprised we’re seeing an uptick in this behavior with drumpf in office
>>16469799>muh experienceSo, by that logic, if you as a customer are having dangerous malfunctions in a car, you cannot complain about it because you have no experience when it comes to the manufacture of said car? Sure doesn't sound valid. Your credentials don't matter. You only need your arguments to be backed by sufficient evidence.
>>16470489Sabine would vote for dumpf if he was german
>>16470491No. sabine is complaining after having crashed her car, the youtuber is saying all cars drive fine without having a driver's licence. His opinion is worthless.
NOOOO! YOU ARE COMMITING LE CREDENTIALISM!! YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT!! GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!!! THIS IS SO PROBLEMATIC SWEATY! NO BAIL!!
>>16470500That would prove that she is smart.And you just exposed yourself to be a midwit or a sneaky chink.
>>16470489This misogynistic underachieving Dave is gaslighting Sabine into thinking she's insane when the scientific community is the one that's failedIf Dave beat his hotwife he'd make a video saying he's not the failure
>>16469723They hate her because she is more successful than them both as a researcher in terms of h-index and as a popular influencer.She doesn't support the usual pseud science fanboy perspective so she is especially attacked by this group who is extra jealous and desperate for her attention.I can assure you that most professionals and faculty completely agree with most of her points. We have a huge problem in Science right now, not just due to the reproducibility crisis.
>>16469793>credentialism, which is the sin of agreeing with a crackpot Science denier, "I get to stick on labels even if they're untrue!"You are literally also trying to argue credentialism, except you don't have actual facts backing you up.>and then pointing out their (supposedly) legitimate credentialThey are legitimate.
>>16469867What do you people think is more likely? That Nobel prize winners and prestigious scientists are all "deniers", or that your cult of redditors, science journalists and politicians simply don't actually represent the viewpoints of actual professionally employed researchers?
>>16470837>We have a huge problem in Science right now, not just due to the reproducibility crisis.Most of the problem will go away once governments stop funding and influencing academia. Then you will only have to eradicate agents of the church.
>>16470215>Also where I am from "Professor" is a protected titlePublic misrepresentation is illegal in America too. If you sued him for fraud you would win. In this context for example, if you lose out on a job, professional relationship/contract or any other kind of financial loss because you were misinformed by something he said (and e.g. offended some potential employer/business partner) while representing himself publically as a "Professor" despite not actually having that job title.YouTube and YouTube advertisers could also sue him and win, very easily, if they wanted to.
https://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html
>>16470491It is quite literally illegal for someone who is not a certified mechanic to represent himself as a mechanic and then tell you how to fix the dangerous malfunction in your car.Credentials do matter, you are just as delusional as they are for thinking otherwise. Public perception and opinion in research is especially important for grant allocation and other public resource spending. This is precisely why a professional like Sabine is commenting on these issues because public funding is being misallocated.All these reddit s*y science fanboy journalists, youtubers, political thinktanks and influencers like Dave who pretend to be a part of the "scientific community" are not just operating in some legal grey area; they are deep in the black. What they are doing is fraud and it is illegal.
>me when a credentialed person speaks on an issue within the field they habe credentials for knowing about
I wouldn't bother with that guy's channel. Seemed decent to me at first and got pretty obviously political and irrational with Trump and Covid.
>>16469723"Dr. Dave" reeks of kike.
>>16470898>le popsoi unaccountability chart
>>16470505No. That's clearly not what he's saying. Here, I'll answer your analogy with an analogy.German lady who designs BMWs crashes her BMW then says that all cars are flawed like BMWs are flawed.Guy carefully explains that just because you know about BMWs, you can't claim that all cars are flawed the same way.People double down saying that because she designs BMWs she's an expert on all cars and gets to say that all cars are flawed the way BMWs are, just like she says.You don't need a PHD in physics to see where her argument is flawed and you don't need a PHD in physics to see why he has a fucking point.
>>16472068This is not even true. If we were too ignore that interdisciplinary work is present in academia, which in turn would enlighten an "outsider" of a field on its health, Sabine is a science-"journalist" nowadays of how little value that may be, but nevertheless she is one. If you had seen her body of work, you would know that she does indeed come directly in contact with papers produced in other fields such as sociology and group psychology. Fields that are famous for their reproducibility and preposterous research claims. So, yes she is indeed more qualified to make sweeping statements about this topic than you or me. I don't even agree with her on most things, because her recent physics opinions are literal garbage.
>>16472068>implying someone that designs BMWs wouldn't know about car design in general>meanwhile the closest the guy doing the criticism has gotten to working on cars is watching the Fast and the Furious franchise and thinking it is a realistic depiction of automobiles
>>16472068Bad analogy Dave. Your hypothetical is also borderline slanderous. When did BMW have any such wrecks? You could have at least used something tangible like firestone tires. Even though it isn't contemporary, it is at least meaningful.But even that wouldn't work, because firestone produced a viable product, which the theoretical physishits have yet to do. And yet they demand more and more money.So yeah, the actual analogy is like this:Firestone pushes a tire to the market that causes SUV roll-overs.Firestone claims to have a hypothetical tire without this defect.They demand the government to pay them for this hypothetical tire even though it doesn't exist.You, Dave, come along and give your blessing on non-existent tire even though you know nothing about government, tires, or firestone.
>>16469779AgreedI can't believe more people aren't talking about thisSabine is basing her argument about physics on her experience working as a professional within the field and yet people want to act as this guy's perspective is someone as valid as hers is?
>>16472068Even in your analogy the lady who design the BMW is absolutely right and the guy has no reason to comment on it except for attention and grifting. She is the designer. For all you know she literally could've been the one that implanted if not discovered the flaw and now there's a ticking time bomb in the BMW that the person who designed it is aware of. Just like in real life this flaw then spreads to all other car brands because Chinese manufacturers stole her CAD drawings and copied it wholesale.The entertainment monkey is a distraction which will cause mass economic damage and death.
>>16469723Cause of unpopular opinion about sacred word. Even if this word undefined.
>>16472131>I don't even agree with her on most things, because her recent physics opinions are literal garbage.>it's fine until MY fields gets under fire
Gonna have to side with Sabine in light of the fact that I want to sex her
>>16473093You're misconstructing what I said. You never attacked her points on substance, just all unrelated crap. My arguments against her opinions in physics are not that she herself enables ""unscientific theories"" or something of that nature, which has no bearing on the actual arguments presented. Unlike you spewing sophisms as a "defence". Neck yourself you disingenuous fool.
NO STOP IT STOOOP THE COUNTYOU ARE ATTRACTING SCIENCE DENIERS!!! OH MY HECKIN BASEDENĆERINO
>The invocation of science, of its ground rules, of the exclusive validity of the methods that science has now completely become, now constitutes a surveillance authority punishing free, uncoddled, undisciplined thought and tolerating nothing of mental activity other than what has been methodologically sanctioned. Science and scholarship, the medium of autonomy, has degenerated into an instrument of heteronomy.
Daves asshurt is hilarious.
Anons, one with PhD and long research experience in hard science , other barely sophomore yet uses professor title to deceive and grift for a living. I wonder who's more familiar with in and out of research and is in a status to criticise science.
>>16473954Dave is right because he isn't criticizing the science. He knows the pecking order. Youtubers are downstream of science, science is downstream of God. He will not upset the balance like Martin Luther Hossenfelder.
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>>16474079So he's criticizing Sabine for clickbait, as in slightly misleading information. Meanwhile he appends Professor to his name for clickbait which is a lie. He knows people would take him less seriously if he didn't (illegally) use the professor title
https://www.edweek.org/technology/professor-dave-explains-how-he-attracted-345-000-youtube-subscribers/2019/03>Farina, who taught in high school and undergraduate classrooms for 10 years before turning into a YouTuber, received a bachelor’s degree in chemistry from Minnesota’s Carleton College and a master’s in chemistry and science education at California State University. His career included a full-time position teaching chemistry, biology, and physics at a private school in Hollywood, and substitute teaching in the San Francisco Bay Area, before transitioning to lecturing at a trade university.>I apply for every grant, funding, incubator--whatever I can find, and I have been very disheartened to receive none of them.This is the faggot criticizing Sabine.
>>16474835For those who can't parse the information, he taught at a private high school, then as a substitute teacher, then at a vocational tech school for bottom of the barrel retards. "Professor" Dave. Lmfao. He's a glorified high school teacher.
>>16469723Sabine's converted her career over to just being someone that bitches about mainstream research instead of doing constructive work in the field or as a communicator collating information for a presentation. Her videos are getting more shallow with time and are focused on topics that are algorithmically popular rather than ones that she is a real subject-matter expert on. She should return to doing quantum physics news and explanations rather than generalized topics where she has less professional knowledge to share.
>>16469723Science can't test their theoriesThe fascists have won
>>16474079>he isn't criticizing the scienceThe what is he citicizing?Think about it before answering.
>>16474835So he doesn't even have a postgrad degree, but still applied for grants thinking he could get them.And this twat thinks he understands the research landscape and professional scientific community?
>>16474835Nothing wrong with being a teacher. But he is pretending he is a scientist
>>16469723Two unemployed non-scientists talking about Science........mmmmmmkay.
>>16469793>crackpotDefine this scientifically, and stop capitalizing the concept of science, it's not a proper noun you cultist.
>>16469867>>16470848Nobel was a dynamite salesman and his award does not indicate goodness in science, it's about baseline competency in one field and how many influential Jews specifically you know. Just like Obama got a Nobel peace prize for becoming a wartime president. Just like a Michelin star is just a vote of confidence from a tire manufacturer grown unruly.Equally and on the other hand, this autistic lady on Youtube pointing out the bullshit of your precious global circlejerk doesn't make her wrong or a crackpot, you're just an obnoxious faggot who embodies the concept of worshiping rather than applying science.
>>16475690https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_S._Carberryhttp://psychoceramics.labs.crossref.org/
You have Sabine which is a depressing channel constantly complaining just to profit off YouTube videos knowing full well she has zero effect on the problem, and then Dave with his toxicity and aggressive behavior. It feels like there are no intellectuals on YouTube that talk about the state of science nowadays, but then again I try not to get involved in this stuff. I can't believe that when I was a child, I thought scientist=stable, rational human being, how naive.
>>16474849Why didn't the thread end here?
>>16475813There's plenty of really high quality STEM content on that platform, it's your own fault if the algorithm only recommends you clickbaity stuff now.
>>16469723This guy is unhinged. His drama with formscapes was ridiculous.
>>16476023Recommend some (please)
>>16478354https://www.youtube.com/c/whatdamath/videos
If you want to see Professor Dave toddling outside of his flat earth ecosystem just to get destroyed in the most embarrassing way possible: https://youtu.be/JRrTvP95kf4
This professor dave guy is a charlatan who flunked out of grad school but masquerades as a professor. When he claims to "read papers" he's paying academics in his circle to feed him arguments that support his agenda. Oh, and if you point this out, your comment will be deleted.
>>16473218Phwoar I didn't know she was a babe
>>16478354Quanta magazine.
What are the medical benefits of circumcision?
>>16481602>It can be declinedInteresting, so they ask the infant whether or not it wants the circumcision and only do it if it gives consent?
>>16469795The scientific method always works, it's our assumptions that muck things up that may cause "bad" experiements.It's the scientists that are screwing everything up.I don't like talking about this abstract thing called science because no one seems to able to show what a science is.Always reverts back to the method which is a more sensible way to think about things. I guess science IS the method in that case.
>>16469723Ah its the superdeterminism lady......what even is superdeterminism again?
>>16478368huh?
>>16481602ok nevermind this guy is a real idiot
>>16478489This
>>16481683Are you talking about the one where we pay people to tell us what we want to hear or some other scientific method of a bygone era?
>>16482239Im talking about what you do when you try say perfecting a recipe in the kitchen.It's simple observation/experience.What you described is the scientists getting in the way of things.
>>16469723Sabine is absolutely correct about academia, you need only spend a year dealing with grant hunting to understand how rotten it is. This Dave guy is a moron who for sure hasn't spent a day writing a project progress report. But Sabine seems to also be spiraling down the waste drain, no amount of youtube videos will "fix academia". Both the researchers and the bureaucrats that give out money are part of the same tax-payer money stealing food chain.
>>16469723fraudave isn't even a professor. dude's a complete imbecile.
>>16469793Do you refuse to see an MD whenever you have health problems you wish to see remedied by a professional? No? Do you allow random men off craigslist to fix your AC? Oh, you only let HVAC repairmen do it??? Would you fly on a plane designed by a McDonalds worker? Or would you only like to fly on ones made by credentialed engineers???This whole "muh credentialism" is fucking retarded copout garbage. It is completely and totally out of touch with reality. A credentialed Physicist is objectively more capable of competently engaging with subject matter regarding his field of study. This is not a fallacious statement to make in any way.
>>16487569False equivalence and a strawman. I won't go anywhere near a quack who preaches homeopathy or denies the effectiveness of life saving vaccines, regardless of his presupposed "credentials".You don't need to be a professional to see that someone who goes against the opinion of every other reputable professional is a quack regardless of their credentials, and if you can't see that, you are a sheep who simply lacks critical thinking.
>>16487647>I won't go anywhere near a quack who preaches homeopathy or denies the effectiveness of life saving vaccines, regardless of his presupposed "credentials".Of course you don't, because to preach those things would be to directly and brazenly preach against the very credentials of an MD. What a fucking nonsensical argument.>WELL WHADABOUT THE DOCTOR THAT DIRECTLY PREACHES UNSCIENTIFIC AND UNSUBSTANTIATED HEALTH CLAIMS THAT WERE NOT TAUGHT BY HIS MEDICAL EDUCATION!?!?? They are an exception which proves the rule. You even said it in your post, "other reputable professionals", which in this context would be OTHER credentialed individuals almost exclusively. >le sheep
>>16487647The worlds experts are entirely anti-white too. Biden's decision to aggress Russia is endangering white power. We'll attack each other then the yellows and blacks will pick up the pieces. I don't trust the types of credentials.
