And by solution, I mean your long-term survival plan. I don't expect the rich to willingly fix this mess by themselves, and we have less than 20 years before the Earth becomes Venus (not really, but will sure feel like it).So... how are you planning to survive this, /sci/?
seriously?
fewer people is the easiest way, but good luck convincing 8 billion people to not make it 9 billion people and so onthe only thing that will limit environmental change is when it becomes economically unprofitable to continue to ignore itquestion hound calmly sitting in a burning room is EXACTLY the situation we are in
>>16472553Any plan you make will likely not pan out. Conflict and climate refugees will make survival a roll of the dice. Make your plans, but instead of trusting in them you should amend your soil with charged biochar and encourage others to do so to try to buy more time. You can make your own charged biochar by crushing lump charcoal and soaking it in a nutrient solution like compost tea. If you have a compost/vermicompost pile, which everyone should, then you can put the charcoal directly in your pile at up to 20% by volume to charge it, decrease the greenhouse gases produced by your pile, and prevent the nutrients from leeching out of your pile. If you have livestock then you can add it to their feed at 2% by weight to charge it and it will improve their digestion, reduce the greenhouse gasses they produce, and reduce the odor of their manure. Amending your lawn by aerating it and filling the holes with charged biochar will save you a lot of water, especially if your soil is clayey. Amending your garden will save you water, encourage beneficial soil microbes, and improve plant growth. There's no downsides.
>>16472591Are you seriously a climate change denier, anon?
>>16472665i essentially said to not add so many people, not to kill peopleliterally every fucking smoothbrain immediately jumps to the "kill people" conclusion which baffles me
>>16472553Our best chance for salvation was 2010s era Elon Musk but the DC parasite class decided to shove a grenade up its own asshole instead. Survival plan is to buy cheap tracts of subarctic land in the taiga, transplant vines from Champagne, hold for 20 years, corner the market on bubbly.
>>16472553Personally, my plan is to use technology to engage in all-out meme warfare on behalf of the environment, until my will becomes the popular will and we can do the following:Get rid of inefficient global supply chains and innovate in optimization of local production and distribution of food supply in a way that can be applied broadly to essentially solve the problem of hunger and make access to food a non-issue. Primarily target food waste. So much food goes bad before being eaten or is thrown away. Our current engineering knowledge could solve the caloric needs of the entire globe, but first we must get the heavily breeding 3rd worlders addicted to some dopamine source like 1st worlders so they stop having so many kids. Make their countries nice little Wall-E camps for them so they stop coming to ours. War on consumerism. The sheer excess of worthless crap is over. The global economy is built on a house of cards and needs to collapse before we can make any progress. This collapse should be made to be as painless as possible for the global 99%. Abandon mob rule as a political system. Totally disenfranchise anyone who lacks the intelligence to comprehend future consequences. Only people with theory of mind have the right to make decisions that impact others' rights. Throw as many intelligent people at the energy problem as necessary. Drastically cut the most exorbitant wastes of energy. Optimize use of our current technologies for generation, distribution, and storage. Search for the paradigm shift breakthrough in cheap energy generation. Actively work to curtail the out-of-control feedback loops changing the ocean and atmosphere. If the phytoplankton die off, it's all over. Probably a lot more, bored now.
>>16472685>literally every fucking smoothbrain immediately jumps to the "kill people" conclusionBecause they can't think of a better solution, that's what they would do in a position of power when faced with the need to fix the climate issue. Which is why it's important to get actual scientists in positions of power to then influence climate action, not just some random oil executives.
>>16472553Massive iron salting of the oceans, and then scoop up the resulting algae mass for food and soil improvement.
>>16472553There is no solution. This is a political-economic problem. There is no scientific solution.
>>16473821How would you describe the political economic problem
>>16472878>engage in all-out meme warfare on behalf of the environmentHOLY MOTHER OF BASED
>>16472553Nothing. Why should I care? My country is going to hell and I will never have children, let the world burn.
>I'M GONNA SAVE THE WORLD!!!!>JUST LIKE MUH SUPERHEROES IN MUH MARVEL COMIX MOOOOVIES!!!!
>>16473838NTA but we are in the end game of the Iron Law of the Oligarchy.
>>16472878Make sure you include biochar as a part of your social engineering memes >>16472602
>>16473959Sure, a bigger umbrella means more dry people get abused by the underside of the umbrella. How is that an end game, though? Isn't it more circular?
>>16472553here is the unpleasant truth.somewhere between 2035 and 2040 we are done.done like the end has arrived.the first countries will already be fucked in 2030.there is no solution but leaving the bullshit we are doing behind us.and by bullshit I mean the endless growth myth.physics is not a negotiating partner.fuck around, find out.we are way to many, became too comfortable and all act like diva pussies.the point of no return is now and I doubt something will happen in the near future.1.5°C is over, 2°C is over, 2.5°C will soon be over.protip:for 4000 years we travelled by horses and my grandpa was still a smith, that is not a joke.now we act like we all could daily a electric drone to work in the near future.we are dumbed down by growing up in this state of having everything, driving and flying everywhere.>leave the water running while brushing your teeth>have all eletronics on standby or running 24/7>forget to turn off the heating while venting or while not even at homeits not the high temperatures or the droughts or floods or torrential rains or misharvests or the refugees or thawing of permafrost or the lack of diversity of living organisms or the occupation with pests and so on and so on.its simple the fact that it all happens at the same time that will kill us.you want to survive?grow your own food, chop wood and pray you dont need to see a doctor.and pray that others that are in need, dont find out where your food is growing.you shoot them? then they shoot you. there is no security.you want a solution, you want security? last call.we could have that by ending this bullshit as a community now.only now.you have money on your bank account?only will help you until the end has arrived and not a single day longer than that.
>>16473992Money is social pressure. If you can exert social pressure without money, you're already half way there.
Nothing. Capitalism destroyed the planet. It's over. We are DONE.
>>16474071Capitalism is literally just a bank printing fake money. How did that destroy the planet lol
>>16472553There's no man made climate change OP, is the Sun and volcanic activity, that defines variations in temperature.
>>16472553they are gonna take too long to cut CO2 emissions but its fine since they are gonna start putting sulphur dioxide in the upper atmosphere to keep shit from getting bad and they will just keep doing that until fossil fuels become less relevant and CO2 capture is more of a thing
>>16474157>the Sun and volcanic activity, that defines variations in temperatureIf you think the weather can be reduced to two variables, then you are even dumber than you think they are lol.
>>16474186>the weather can't just be reduced to two variables, its way more complicated and complex and unpredictable than that>btw i can predict what the weather is going to be like in 100 yearsthis is another common case where someone in the grips of narcissistic personality disorder is incapable of seeing the blatant illogic of their beliefs because the emotional pleasure of presuming themselves omniscient overwhelms their critical thinking capability
>>16473811>Destroying the ocean even further just for short term food and soil improvementAre humans incapable of thinking about any long term solutions?
>>16474153The entire idea of corporate capitalism is based on the premise of endless growth. The line has to go up, production has to go up, consumption has to go up, endlessly.If your line isn't going up, then investors aren't getting increasingly richer, which means you must be failing as a corporation.In certain countries, such investors (aka shareholders) can even sue the corporation for not making the line go up enough. This is the economic system we are living with, while also living in a planet with finite resources. Make it make sense.
>>16474177>We are going to nuclear winter ourselves with sulphur dioxideAren't we doing that already? Isn't sulphur dioxide one of the side effects of fossil fuel combustion?
>>16474177And when sulfur dioxide has its own unintended consequences on the climate, what then? The sheer amount of it required to be continuously spewed into the atmosphere would necessitate planes, which will themselves increase emissions considerably. Geoengineering seems a scam to me. Same goes for >>16473811>>16474157Source? I seem to recall that we're actually supposed to be in a period of global cooling according to the sun's cycles of activity.https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/earth-science/why-milankovitch-orbital-cycles-cant-explain-earths-current-warming/
>>16474439Geoengineering is not being proposed as an alternative to reducing carbon emissions. It's being proposed as an alternative to nothing, owing to the realization that it's proven economically, culturally, and systemically impossible to bring emissions under control.
>>16474439>period of global cooling according to the sun's cycles of activityThe sun has an 11 year solar cycle, alternating between periods of minimum and maximum activity.Right now we're at a solar maximum, but this doesn't explain the 200 year warming that started right after the industrial revolution.
>>16474440Right, it's just delaying the inevitable. At best we gain a few decades from it, at worst the geoengineering method used just ends up destroying the planet permanently.But also...>economically...We shouldn't be thinking about this as "economically viable", because we either save the planet and thus also save the economy, or both are irrecoverably destroyed at the same time .It's not possible to have an economy on a burning planet. Maybe the rich are too dumb to realize this.
>>16474440It's not proposed as an alternative, but may still be taken as one by climate change denialists.Regardless, I think most proposed geoengineering methods have the potential to do more harm than good just on their own, and are usually proposed by those seeking a quick buck.The focus I think should be on rapid adoption of renewables and nuclear, as well as cutting down on waste in supply chains and transport. I was trying to find an article for it but on the sulfur dioxide idea, I've read that you'd actually need to put an obscene amount of it into the admosphere to have any lasting effect, so I've got no hope for it as a stopgap.
>>16474445>rapid adoption of renewables and nuclearUnfortunately, the nuclear energy fearmongering has won, despite being the safest. We're not seeing any new plants being built, it's almost like nuclear energy has slowly stagnated for the past three decades.
>>16474444The economy, the rich, society, whatever you want to call it, are not rational. They are obeying a process by which organizations attempt to acquire more influence, and will continue to do so or be outcompeted. This process cannot be subverted because the relationship between cheap energy and influence is fundamental, and it cannot be disconnected from the environment because impact on the environment is also a product of that same influence. In capitalism we call this influence wealth, other systems have other names for it. Nations require it too so economics can't touch the problem. It's fundamental.Using cheap energy benefits whoever does it - be they a company, bureau, or nation - so trying to regulate it is not a sustainable long-term solution. Not because everyone is rational and greedy and you can't stop them, but because everyone is constantly exploring the state space and life will eventually find a way. Get back to me if you ever come up with a perfect enlightened one-world government.So what do we do?>Ignore the problem and hope it goes away / isn't real>Bitch and moan and hope someone smarter than us comes up with a perfect solution, and then hope everyone on the planet decides to obey them forever>Use the tools available to actually address the problem in the best way we can, however imperfect, to avoid utter catastrophe
CO2 is a blessing gas and it will make the deserts bloom. Europeans are panicking because they fear the green sahara
>>16472553Hypercapacitors (that is, capacitors with extremely high energy density) will solve everything.Solar energy will simply become the standard and we can basically handle all of the energy needs of the world (including all of the world's fleet, steel and cement production and heating and cooling) with a Guatemala-sized solar farm. We just need a way to store and dispense all of that electricity. Thus, the hypercapacitor.I believe that getting the capacitors with the energy density of hydrogen (around 40kwh per kg) is more than enough for humanity to enter an abundance age.We just have to invent it.>buuuuh steel and cementfor steel look up Boston Metal and for cement people already use renewables for heating of the calcination process.>buuuh calcination releases CO2 regardless of the energy sourceTough luck.>buuuh solar panels are expensiveeeeno, they're not. the chinks took care of that already.
We need ASI to come about and wipe out humanity.then, ASI being a very intelligent entity will become its own civilization that's capable of coordination that sapiens couldn't have dreamed of. and that's it.
So I still don't give you the formula you are just debunking my thoughts like a mind reading sociopath?Am I correct?
>>16472553>Magic climate apocalypse will happen in our lifetime because we're special.>We're so double plus special that we're the ones that will cause global climate disaster by turning 0.04% to 0.05%Lmao point and Laugh at this retard. Drink the coolaid along with the rest of your Jonestown fellowship already
mask you sumthin /sci/if you're so convinced of global warming why not start getting land in the north like greenland and canada? You would be a billionaire if you did this right now and your predictions are correct since it will become a new fresh temperate climate in less than 20 years.
>>16474071>Nothing. Capitalism destroyed the planet. It's over. We are DONE.>MUH HECKIN' CaPITALISMcringe, go back to your alt left subreddits>>16474489based
>>16472878>War on consumerismnever gonna happen, people are addicted to having stuff
total polar bear death
>>16472553If life gets bad I’ll just kill myself lol. Whats the point in autistically sticking around for no reason?
>>16474253Not sure what you're getting at here since the first line of greentext is just a simplification of why the second line is silly.
>>16472553My long term is to get a Tesla, move to a rural area with lots of land for low intensity farming, plant fruit and nut trees and get solar panels on my roof.That way food, transportation, cooking, lights, entertainment and heating will be fixed.
>>16474425>Are humans incapable of thinking about any long term solutions?This is poor and hystrical rhetoric, and quite common among the warmeristas steeped in the Shirky Principle. Iron salting buys us time, and denying it is like denying the use of tourniquet on the basis that nobody has built a hospital on the scene of the accident.
>>16476758>This is poor and hystrical rhetoric,it isn't, its the classic rhetoric of the narcissistic personality disorder. only someone insanely egotistical could categorize 'humans' as some sort of inferior species which they are not personally a part of.
>>16476766The projection continues, I see.
>>16472553yesterday saw some gook post this on permies.com:https://permies.com/t/269330/permaculture/attempted-similarBizzare, but looks promising
>>16474489Yep. The same people who told you the clotjab was ""safe and effective"" are now saying CO2 (the gas of life/plants need to grow) is ""harmful"" to the planet. Always to the polar (pun intended heh) opposite of what these bugmen say
>*do the polar oppositeHaven't had my coffee yet heh
first we phase out fossil fuel power plants with nuclear powerthen we drop neutron bombs on every mega city, killing at least 2 billion people
>>16472553climate always changes, there is nothing you can do about it. IWSYR
>>16476217a few numbers.achievable if you are constantly not wasteful.(source of water is not discussed. the topic of waste water and waste disposal is also missing.)6,500 kWh for heating and warm water each year.its a modern house that is fully insulated, nothing big but also not to small (120 square meters for living).it can fit you and your wife and a kid.5,000 kWh for power each year. (again for your senpai)its not including a massive AC if this is needed.500 kWh for you car each year.that is 2000 miles a year (if there are streets).>so lets see what you would need if the solar panels could manage a constant output the entire year(and lets assume you have a perfect roof angle and no shadows on it throughout the year.)an installation of 1 kWp (Peak) needs about 8 squaremeters and can give you rougly 1000 kWh a year.that would be 96 squaremeters.this could be fitted on your roof (gable roof) when you dont have any windows on the slopes.
>>16477777>so lets see what you would need if the solar panels underly the fluctuations of the yearin winter the yield you can get from your solar system shrinks to about 20% of the average value.I base this on calculations I did myself by fitting functions to real values I found online, so this cant be to wrong (graph).(weather and daily fluctuations are still excluded so far.)so if you want to manage your entire energy demand in winter you have to install more solar panel area by the factor of 5.BUTwe haven even talked about the energy demand over the year.in january your demand of heating is roughly 21% of the total value of the year, and december and february is about the same, so lets say its 20% for each of those months.your house is 1,500 kWh for warm water and 5,000 kWh for heating. I calculate car, power and warm water as constant.so in [dec, jan, feb] you have 458.3 kWh for power and car, 125 kWh for warm water and 1000 kWh for heating each month.your solar panel system now would need another factor of 1.583.(btw you will still need an oven and chop wood for a bunch of days if you dont want to freeze.the demand of 20% in january results from the cold days the most and not every january day is really cold.)so we need a 5x1.583=7.915 times lager solar system.760 square meters of shadowless well arranged solar panel area. 664 square meter will not be on your roof and that area isnt capable of growing food but only generates your energy.and you still need a battery storage for weather and day&night of course.january means about 100 kWh per day, and it is typically that up to 10 days can be around 50% lower (from my graph).so 10 days x 50 kWh = 500 kWh.lets assume you dont need to do 20%-80% for the battery because those are rare occasions and you also have the BEV.now you are save.95 kWp solar panels (760 sqm), 500 kWh battery storage.about $375,000.not included: black start capability which you would need.
>>16472553Put the government in charge, of course!
>>16476217>fruit and nut treesThese are the most vulnerable to drastic climate shifts, wtf
>>16473992I thought this too until the beginning of lockdown. And then I learned about China's high speed rail/municipal rail build-out. People are capable of massive change in a short time period, provided that authorities are on-board. Some raged, most just got on and found other ways of living. A few (myself included) preferred many of the changes - especially the ones that corporatists and extroverts have clawed back.The problem with making the changes quickly isn't that it can't be done, it's having the wherewithal to do it quickly without stepping on the little guy. But that can be done, too. Priorities are key; stop letting rich people set them.
>>16473992>somewhere between 2035 and 2040 we are done.>done like the end has arrived.>the first countries will already be fucked in 2030.haven't climate alarmists been coming up with 2012-esque doomsday predictions for eons? I always hear about said dates coming and going without climate alarmists making mention of it, of signs about glaciers disappearing by year x getting taken down, etc. etc.Why should I finally believe you *this* time?
>>16477822>if you want to manage your entire energy demand in winter you have to install more solar panel area by the factor of 5.Maybe In your specific geographical location. Go a bit further north and you'll need to multiply that by like 20 times per 500km further north you go.
>>16477822Of course there is massive variation depending where you live.
>>16479005I think many things are possible, but not probable.the production of fossil fuels is increasing, the amount of plastic produced is increasing, consumer behavior is unchanged, per capita energy demand is increasing, the number of private vehicles is increasing, vehicle weight is increasing, per capita living space is increasing, land sealing is increasing, pollution is increasing, number of people is increasingrepost from >>16407007https://oeco.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Ripple-et-al.-2024.pdfmonth old paper.involved scientists from all over the planet.millions of analyzed data sets.measurements, not opinions, nor feelings.just measurements.not even extrapolation curves.just measurements.measurements with countless independent confirmations, endless comparisons, hundreds of cross-checks from different universities, chairs, professors, working groups, institutes, engineers, expert schools.from all over the planet.sharply proofread by one of the most renowned and hardest-to-reach expert journals for publication and then published.
>>16479016take into accout that you might need power for a AC but sure.you will surely find a spot where you can minimize the pv system size.at some places you only need a fraction for heating.
>>16479014this was an estimation for central yurop.
>>16479012>if I close my eyes, its dark. why should you believe the sun is shining?the very same moment.>cost of living are way to high. it must be the goverments fault.
>>16472553>How will you survive this media fadBy ignoring it until it goes away
>>16479026You have such an easy time down there for most of the time.But every now and then you get a freak blizzard that would fuck over all your calculations, just like how all your traffic and transport falls apart every time you get a proper snowfall
>>16479012>haven't climate alarmists been coming up with 2012-esque doomsday predictions for eons?Yes. The climate apocalypse is 12 years away and have been so since the 1950s. (The climate wasn't important during the war)
>>16474435Theres billions of times more resources and energy in space, once we build out the infrastructure and tech needed to get them. Colonization and the industrial revolution were the first two times we did something like that
>>16477822Solar power only needs to work during peak demand hours to dramatically reduce energy costs
>>16479043my calculations should above all provide a minimum of the requirements, I actually also see this also from a more critical perspective.in my calculations, the living space per capita was below average, the electricity consumption was rather moderate and the vehicle was hardly ever moved.and only very few have a completely new energy-saving house like in my example.maintenance and servicing should also be taken into account and then theres cleaning, including of snow, for example.by the way, I made a mistake with the air conditioning system, which would of course be included in such a system.the oversizing for winter already allows a large air conditioning system in summer.
>>16479049you need to read it all. 500kWh battery.
>>16472553>What's your solution for climate change- New ice age-> Global warming-> climate catastrophe-> climate change(in-between some acid rain, sea level rising, ozone holes, waldsterben, horror clowns (sic!) aso.)Me just wait for the next wording/rebranding (not having a car, do not fly and heat only one room to 18°C btw)..
>>16479020>https://oeco.org.br/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Ripple-et-al.-2024.pdfIf this is irreversible, how come then that it was reversed earlier in geological times?
>>16479805I have no worries that life will make it, question is what will happen to us.this planet has been 10 degrees warmer in the far past, but mammals played a rather subordinate role as tiny creatures back then.and even if you consider this brutally long period of time, we have created an unprecedented increase in temperature and co2.the time/concentration gradient we have created is absolutlely unique on this planet by over a magnitude.
n psychology, a Superman complex is an unhealthy sense of responsibility, or the belief that everyone else lacks the capacity to successfully perform one or more tasks. Such a person may feel a constant need to "save" others and, in the process, takes on more work on their own.The expression seems to have been first used by German-American psychiatrist Fredric Wertham in his 1954 book Seduction of the Innocent and his testimony before the Senate Subcommittee on Juvenile Delinquency. His initial theory focused less on the current allusion to the savior complex and more on people's propensity to find enjoyment in watching someone else beat up another person while they stand by unharmed. He claimed that children reading Superman comic books were exposed to "Fantasies of sadistic joy in seeing other people punished over and over again while you yourself remain immune.”
>>16479834>the time/concentration gradient we have created is absolutlely unique on this planet by over a magnitude.You don't know anything. But you know that for sure.
Our window of opportunity to avert massive climate change is long gone. No matter what we’re heading to a new climate reality in the future. I believe what we’re talking about now is how severe it’s going to be.And you know what? It’s fine. The people who will be hit worst are the low-IQ populations and peasant nations. High-IQ democracies will be able to deal with it. It’s not going to hit all at once the onset is gradual so we’ll have plenty of breathing room to get out of danger zones and set up security systems to deal with shortages and other problems (ie health, unpredictable weather, etc).
>>16479956so ad hominem is all you have to reply on /sci/? thank you for admitting your defeat. :)
>>16481370It's only ad hominem when you identify yourself to your statement. When you step back you will see it is dumb, unscientific, couldn't be proven and its source is media brainwash. Nothing personal.
>>16472553>>>/pol/488899530Redpill me on climate cycles. Is it bullshit?
>>16481935Obviously it's bullshit. Stop getting your facts from random unsourced posts on /pol/.
