It should be noted that the rate of incestuous unions should however be kept under control. If brother marries sister generation after generation then it is no good. It should be something that happens occasionally to rarely.

>>16472673
What if you compared you and your sisters genes, if both of you have a gene that's defective, replace it with a non-defective copy from someone else. Repeat for entirety of your genomes.

Your offspring will now be very strongly related to you both, without the defects that would give rise to problems.

>>16472673
Yuck.
>smoking

>>16472673
>But now imagine yourself fucking your cute sister. If the healthy genes combine then the broken gene has been eliminated! Success! If the broken genes are combined and the child has issues, then the child will be less able to pass the broken gene on! Partial success! However it may still happen that a child gets one broken and one healthy gene. This means that although the bad gene is selected against, it still has some chance of slipping through.
>This is why fucking your sister leads to better genes in the long term!
I understand now. A eugenics program by quantum bogosort: The only child that survives is the with miraculously perfect genes.
Now Pakistan makes sense, an entire country of inbred cousin-fuckers trying to make the Overman.

>>16473316
this would hold water if the pakistan example was imposing selection for positive traits

>>16473316
10 steps ahead

I don't know about inbreeding but continued outbreeding seems to lead to catastrophic population collapses

>>16472673
You're not wrong. Inbreeding simply converts recessive defects into dominant ones. Natural selection in such a situation will indeed select out recessive defects and purify the gene pool, resulting in a population that can far more safely engage in inbreeding. This is why there are so many species with incredibly small populations, yet they avoid extinction.

>>16473438
The issue with too small populations is that the population can get unlucky and completely lose all copies of the healthy gene. My pet hypothesis is that guarding against this is why some plants are polyploidal.

>>16473446
how would polyploidy help there?
entire duplicated chromosomes creating more redundancy?

Also I think the sister fucking angle is a bit too risky you're relying heavily on drift and luck, if you wanted to see actual selection against deleterious mutations it might be better to think in terms of larger closed communities or breeding pools that allow enough diversity to be adaptive but are also throwing up recessives often enough probability wise that they can be purged out.

Alternatively there are studies where populations thought to be carrying high mutational load are mated to siblings every couple of generations I used to have a couple papers saved about zoo animals.

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>>16473316
>A eugenics program by quantum bogosort
>Now pakistan makes sense
>cousin-fuckers trying to make an overman
holy kek my sides

>>16472673
tf no Ashley Graves sisterfu

If they dont have children there is really no moral argument against it

>>16472673
it's more like
>don't fuck your sister, it will ruin the fenotype
and it's true, you owned yourself here:
>If the broken genes are combined and the child has issues, then the child will be less able to pass the broken gene on
of course, because the child is doomed with a congenital ailment i.e. ruined fenotype

OP is a fag, as always, and probably gets pegged by his sister.

>>16474204
>fenotype
is that a cat thing?
I thought op's point was that by not exposing the bad genes regularly through iautozygosity they can spread through the population undetected?
the idea is to make them visible and eliminate them which improves the fitness of the genepool because the deleterious mutational is much reduced.
This principal is used effectively in animal breeding.

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>>16472673
Ok genius expirement with your sister and post the results.

Incest is disgusting unless it's between identical twins. Then it's based and hot.

>>16472673
>sci
>science and math

>>16473316
pakistanis, jeets and arabs do incest because it leads to family harmony, like your mother in law is already your aunty, that sort of thing. They have many retards, they would do fine if they just let them stay single but they all get arranged marriages for them. Retards marrying retards. It continues until they get so damaged they die in the womb due to absurd genetics
Incest+Abortion+Killing dumb kids=Win

>>16474204
Go back to plebbit nigger. The chance of your child having defect is almost the same with a stranger.

>>16475800
You don't exactly have to abort or kill all you need is to prevent them from reproducing.
not easy in a culture where you expect all women to breed

thread pinned

>>16473316
>quantum bogosort
What the "OP's sister" is that supposed to mean?

Let me give you the skinny here.

What you are talking about is a legitimate goal for many biologists who are interested in learning how genes work in a particular species. For diploids like us this is a messy process because there's two different versions of every gene. Messing around there often yields unpredictable results. Everything is much easier if one was somehow able to remove all that variation and make both chromosome copies identical. Repeated inbreeding effectively accomplishes this. The end result is called an inbred line, a rare prise in genetics and a big stepping stone for establishing a new model organism.

Of course you already described the problem here. The genomes are full of recessive lethal mutations. By inbreeding you roll the dice and often combine rare mutations together leading to death of the offspring. But sure, you do it once and some get lucky and others don't, selection removes the bad mutations and we're all good, right?

The problem is that establishing an inbred line requires total homogenization of the entire genome. Even if you got lucky in the first generation, continuing this process unavoidably combines the rest of the rare mutants that didn't combine in the previous rounds of reproduction. What this means is that inbreeding depression gets even stronger in subsequent generations, washing over your population like a great wave.

I worked for a PI with a keystone project to establish an inbred line for his favorite bugs. It was very sad to watch him repeatedly try to inbreed a small population only to see it crash completely by the eighth generation. They're bugs, doesn't take much time to breed them. Yet go after go the rare mutants won, and he left the program a couple of years later, and still didn't have an inbred line.

Inbreeding is substantially more work than it's worth, and this is why every diploid organism you find in nature, including humans, naturally evolved mechanisms to prevent it.

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>>16472673
>OP trying to explain why he's molesting his 5 year old sister after getting caught

>>16476130
The goal of inbreeding is to create new spicies

If I fuck my sister a baby rhino is born because my sister is a rhino

>>16476130
>try to inbreed a small population
see that's the problem you either need extreme luck or huge numbers

Boinking your sister doesn't really extrend to a long term genetic strategy.

However there is the other side of this that evidence points to naturally being attracted to those who are related to us at the equivalent of the 3rd or 4th cousin level which points to a sort of genetic sweet spot where we don't have much of the inbreeding depression effects or the problem of outbreeding breaking up compatible gene complexes.

What I find really fascinating is the evidence pointing to average relatedness of a population correlating to a subsequent average fertility rate with populations below this range having higher relatedness and higher fertility while populations below having lower fertililty and contracting the population.
this effect seems to span from both plants to various animals including humans, I've seen it theorised to be due the zygotic compatibility

>>16476165
Don't believe anything human that hasn't already been clearly shown to work in non-human studies where real effects can be tested experimentally.

This shit makes me really down about our future as a species. All the possibilities before us but what does OP fixate on?

I can feel the tension of this conversation like a simmering background heat haze. Shit sucks, no one's getting any and it's not getting better anytime soon. People out there really looking out at the world and deciding their kink is the solution.

>>16476130
If the population keeps crashing at gen8 then do a small amount of outbreeding at gen7, then inbreed for a few more generations. Repeat as needed.

>>16476868
On second thought, maybe don't wait until the last possible moment. gen5 or so might better.

>>16472673
>mathematical proof
>doesn't include any math

>>16477513
>thinks logic isn't math

>>16472673
Inbreeding is 100% safe if you have good genetics. If you have flawed genetics, then knocking up your sister is 98.75% safe.

Only a small minority of recessive traits are harmful, which means you and your sister could have recessive alleles for 9000 IQ babies, and the only way to bring about these superhumans is to fuck your sister.

>>16478517
Does anyone actually have real data to back this up?

I'll take animal or human, whatever you have to hand as long as it's good

>>16472673
is this your thesis dissertations for Alabama university?

>>16479557
the alabama meme is a college football thing not based on much

>>16472673
That seems like an asinine way of going about eugenics considering there are far more effective methods of gene selection now. You'd essentially waste several generations suffering from deleterious gene effects, plus, not all the negative conditions brought to the surface by inbreeding will be fatal. This is a very stupid way of justifying your fetish. But I'm sure having anyone entertain it is good enough for you.
P.S: I happen to associate this image with a ridiculous political manifesto.

>>16476130
To be fair, inbreeding was a relatively common* occurrence around pre-modern societies.
*Almost exclusively used by the ruling class to distance themselves from the plebs. Rarely went on for too lomg. Although Hawaii did practice widespread noble incest. But the royal house of Hawaii also went extinct because it's members where largely infertile.This may have happened twice.

>>16481361
>Almost exclusively used by the ruling class
Wrong. Everyone descends from a cousin marriage in the past 5 generations. In every pre-Abrahamic society sibling marriage was permitted and pretty common (most Zoroastrian and Yazidi marriages were between siblings, in fact)

>>16481376
Given that OP exclusively focuses on sibling incest I thought we were excluding cousin marriages.
Secondly, the commoness of Xwedodah between siblings among the common people is disputed. It could very well have been a practice near exclusive to nobles and priests, in fact, most evidence points to this.

>>16481361
>P.S: I happen to associate this image with a ridiculous political manifesto.
Not OP, but what manifesto?

>>16481454
Has nothing to do with incest. Guy makes insane policy proposals in the context of the UK, like replacing lawyers with ChatGPT. It's on archive . ph.

>that game
Biggest tease ever

>>16481391
Every Yazidi married their sibling before the Ottomans outlawed it And furthermore, 10% of marriages in Ancient Rome were between siblings

If both consent I literally just do not care one way or the other.

I feel like a lot of human culture is just “no you can’t do that noooooo” because they missed out and subconsciously hate it for reasons they don’t want to admit, or they just don’t like seeing people consent to a thing they wouldn’t personally consent to.

It’s the same with gays. It’s literally just a pair of flesh bodies smacking against the other, no different from a woman and a man. Why the fuck does it bother people?

Eighty percent of giraffes are gay.

>>16481783
I cannot find much stating anything either way, can you provide your source on the yazidis?
As for the Rome things I believe you may be generalizing a study about egypt.

>>16473333
source?

>>16481908
>why does bother other people
They fucking bother me because they are disgusting, they promote their degeneracy on the media, school and public, they grooms children to be genetic defects like them, they create new antibiotics virus strain from the misuse of antibiotics, they carry deathly disease like AIDS and full of parasites. How could one not bothered by them? You are just another godless midwit reddit freak and should be hanged publicly.

>>16482082
This is more a eugenics thing. If two prime genetic males made love they'd probably be more clean than your average uggo.

>>16472673
Literally diagnosed(or, identified I suppose) with recessive Wilson's disease today.

You fundamentally misunderstand a core component of genetics.
Disease genes are not inherently recessive.

>>16481376
>cousin marruage
>incest
/a/ is 4chan's leading authority on the incest topic and they will tell you that cousins are almost on the level of nbr

>>16481391
What do you make of the egyptian census records where around 20% of marriages are recorded between siblings?

>>16481783
>And furthermore, 10% of marriages in Ancient Rome were between siblings
as far as I am aware greece and rome only permitted marriage between half siblings but they bost defined opposing types of half sibs with one accepting shared mother the other shared father, it was something about inheritance laws, however I've never seen figures for how comon it was.

>>16482087
they can't make love because that would involve reproductive capability which las time I checked two males were not capable of.
unless you meant exchanging tapeworms and other parasites?

>>16482185
So you match two and two together and can't accept someone making the decision to match itself with who it wants. And you demonize this type of person. Even when it's a matter of injury or genetics. Yet you continue to be submissive to the people that ruin the world and take part in the collapsed system? You obviously don't know anything about minds, what they can and cannot do, and what is truthfully the problem with society. You'd rather bash innocents based on their sexual behaviour rather than their attitude. Which could mean you target two innocent perfectly clean, perfectly straight acting males having sex because their minds don't allow them to find the opposite sex attractive due to reality abstraction due to the system you help operate.

>>16482185
You're not justified in this action. If you had to justify yourself by the nature of the problem you'd find yourself more guilty than a simple sex act between the same sex that's caused by societal abstraction preventing them from being able to think hetero thoughts. If they can't find females attractive, they aren't wrong for being gay, to call that a problem isn't justice. So you are not just in your belief.

>>16482201
Your "INNOCENTS" are currently the protected class of the globohomo fnancial dystopia we currently live within.

>>16482212
You can't say one group is the face all of people of the same sexuality. I don't like these flamboyant feminine acting people who thrust their pelvis on floats. This ain't what I'm talking about. You should refer to these types as these types and logically work out what's gay and what's personality.

>>16482201
>innocents
>molested who become molesters
>groomers who brainwash and mutilate children
interdasting

Some gay people accept they're injured and just can't find the opposite sex attractive. Don't act feminine or aggravated and don't promote sexuality of that kind. What you're looking at is a societally induced abomination that is accepted as more an effect of indoctrination and false education than it is sexuality. You can be completely normal and gay too.

Because of the other problems of the world gay people shouldn't worry about what these anti gay people are saying because likely the cause of them being gay is a societal thing induced by said anti gay people. You created this problem by worshipping a false government and ruining the natural face of the world.

>>16482247
it's fascinating that when faced with the basic bbiological fact that two men can't produce a child it seemed highly provoked

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>>16482201
Die now kike rat. You can hide your flag but you can't hide your agenda.

>>16482256
You don't even have the good faith to accept the injury in minds you produced through weak faith in the world and man.

>>16482209
It's wrong because i said so faggot. We don't care how think you fucking faggot, the rationale behind it is because you faggots are disgusting and we want to skin you freak alive.

>>16482258
Look someone will punish you when you die because you were so weak and stupid for all the world, including animals through your stupid cannibalistic farming routines, your lack of care for the health of the planet air, flora and fauna, your delusion half assed attempt at cleaning up gayness while this other stuff goes on and your cover up that it was all good faith. You are lucky you're not dead for when you do die, you'll be punished, much more than any man who is injured by you and your system who can't find the opposite sex attractive and who finds solstice in same sex activity.

>>16482259
What the hell are you even talking about, anyway this is a thread about mathematical arguments around inbreeding not two guys ejaculating into each others' anus

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>>16482264
>weak
Said the faggot xim/xer kike that has 45% chance of necking themselves. Your kike corporations are responsible for the destruction of nature and morality, not us. We will take back what's rightfully ours and give you kikes the most painful death.

>>16482265
That's a bpd schizo kike mossad. They hate incest because it's create a strong bond between the couples and the kid will be pure blood Aryan.

>>16482273
Incest seems like a very k like strategy, it would create like a 75% or more relatedness which really incentivises both parents to carefor their young instead of pump and dumping, or divorceraping their partmer into impoverishment.

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>>16482279
Yup, it's an unbreakable bond.

>>16482283
At least for a couple of generations it would probably outweigh the inbreeding depression, I suppose this is how clans form.
Tight high trust family bonds in a closeknit homogeneous community surrounded by hostiles.

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>>16482288
Yup and strong clan will seek power and contest the establishment so it's in kike interest to stifle any chance of new clan forming in the modern world.

>>16472673
I suspect this is the source of le rich people incest yucky. They're akshully just very intelligently selectively breeding the best traits of their forefathers into their bloodline like a farmer would with his crops or livestock, improving the whole genetic line.

>>16482273
Save some of those chickens force into cannibalism from your eating routine instead, or maybe prevent a few more trees being cut down. Or maybe tare down the propaganda perverting society. I dunno. Fix some of the world before suggesting that people should be in perfect order sex wise. You are likely the root of all disorder in people, and you know what they want you to know. You're not really good you're just indoctrinated bliss.

>>16482288
And once the clan expands enough the risk of inbreeding depression greatly diminishes although the founder effect will still leave an impact.

>>16476130
you don't need to have an organism breed true for its entire genome for inbreeding to be useful. Ideally you're fixing one trait at a time into the line, permanently.

>>16482258
>>16482270
I find your behaviour very strange but I suppose this is a strange place. I don't feel as strongly as you towards the things you feel them towards but I don't completely disagree with you. However posting christian shit is pathetic. Please if you espouse something approaching right wing authoritarian views understand that the man you likely idolize most utterly despised the Christian faith and for sane reason.
If you truly hate the kikes then spare some hatred for their perverse puppet cults as well. Times haven't changed or altered this in any way, ideas are pure and unaffected by the ravages of time or the changing of a political landscape. The pedophile institution in the big building preaching compassion on their terms is your enemy just as much as any grotesque social justice advocate with obnoxiously dyed hair.

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>>16482311
>no u
Typical kike rat gaslighting. Here are some cyanide pills.

>>16482311
>call out fag degeneracy
>NNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! THINK OF THE FEW NON DEGENERATE FAGS

this reminds me of how the debate around abortion is always over edge cases like incestuous rape while the vast majority is just women slutting around and having second thoughts.

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>>16482315
>acksually hitler was an antichrist and jewish
Where do you think you are, kike? Good luck using any dirty tricks on autist because we are immune to it. We are the supers, anyone listening to Hitler or reading his book can tell he is a Christian.

>>16482323
World problems cause sex problems. All I'm saying. You can't fix the world. Don't expect orderly sexual behaviour.

>>16482337
Yes, we can fix the world. Death is very much a real concept, if degeneracy isn't fixed it must be because we haven't kill enough people.

>>16482169
Tactic to prevent wealth from flowing out of the family, mostly.In my opinion at least. Basically an adaptation against inheritance practices that tend to partition wealth. A side effect of this was consanginious breeding.
Most motivations of incest follow a reasoning like this. A minority takes incest up for social/political/economical reasons, not any biological advantage.

>>16482054
List all mutt countries that have shown achievement comparable to a “pure” race like Europeans.

Ill wait.

And thats only the empirical proof. Genetic proof is in the selection of complex traits during the evolution of a race.

>>16482339
Make sure you get those farmers and those lumberjacks and those others that are completely redundant of morality.

>>16482185
kek.

Needed to be said.

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>>16482358
Obviously we will start from killing kikes first, then niggers and shitskins.

>>16482362
That's not very good targeting. I would consider you a degenerate and you would be amongst the victims. Why can't you target more of the problem, too afraid or too socially comfortable? Like to see you try the moral test to see if your targeting was at all in good faith, and whether you took bonus points for acting as if it were. It seems stupid you make all this commotion over someone who is gay, however graphic that is to you, and then your solution to the problem is to start hurting Color and creed, when there are actual people with names who need to be addressed more specifically. Such as the rogue evil farmers over breeding, torturing and eating animals. Or the lumberjacks chaotically cutting down trees without limit. Or the leadership throwing profiteering propaganda in the form of paid media and repaid media for the full effect. The low quality producers. The educational institutes teaching crap and supporting the farmers, lumberjacks, shills and shit producers. This comes to mind. You're just stupid. One day you will be punished and I agree with that I won't pay you any attention or mercy in that state.

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>>16482380
>paragraph of kike seething

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>>16482387
At least I agree the world needs 'fixing'. You smell of poo anyway

>>16482391
I suggest you get in the oven, kike. Your bpd low IQ rambling can only cured by death. You are a seething low IQ AIDS riddled faggot that inject your homo shit in a topic about incest then get BTFO by basic biology. We gonna skin you alive to make lamp and soap for real this time you fucking dysgenic freak.

>>16482400
You are under the forces and elements and chemicals which contain you. We'll see one day about who gets in the oven, until then, may we all rest in peace at the fact you took a quote on your intelligence online and think you're high and mighty.

so what I learnt from this thread is that the deep state doesn't want you banging your sister, right?

so what I learned from this thread is that incestfags don't know a thing about contraception or whatever is stopping them from just doing it in secrecy without telling us about it

>>16486257
>incestfags don't know a thing about contraception
based
i am pro-life only in the case of incest

>>16472673
When I was in middle school I wanted to fuck my mom so badly
Luckily I grew out of it but I still love incest. Would have sex with some of my cousins if I could 100% keep it secret