Why does this retarded shit exist when we can split an atom
>>16480731Because evil people want to destroy the west, impoverish us, buy up and destroy the arable land, and starve us.
>>16480731Nuclear power requires a consistent level of competence that is increasingly difficult to maintain and is also under active attack. The failure mode for solar is far less damaging even if the success mode is much lower level than it is for nuclear.
>>16480731>>16480732My property, my power plant. I don't care if you don't like it.
>>16480736It's not your land though is it? The government in many countries is bring in laws that force farmers to sell their land or confiscate it from them, or people like Bill Gates buy it up on the cheap after anti-farming legislation pushes them out.
Grug no like solar. Solar is gay because environment. Grug like anything environmentalist don't like. So Grug love nuclear.
>>16480738>It's not your land though is it?My land is in fact my land, moron. And I put the solar in myself. Why are you so afraid of my freedom? Are you some sort of Islamic extremist or something? You get wet thinking about nuclear reactions, don't you? You need the bomb to feel strong.
>>16480743>200 watts per square meter in real world conditions and only during the day>80,000,000,000,000 joules per kilogram of uraniumSound like Grug is capable of basic logic.
>>16480731>>16480732>>16480748Retard takes
>>16480748Grug care vibe only. Grug think one number tell everything
>>16480745You don't own any land, nor have any solar panels lol. You aren't even American.
>>16480749There are nuclear reactors that have been running for 50 years. Meanwhile all these solar panels will have to be replaced in half that time. Windshit is just as wasteful.
>>16480752Wrong, wrong, and wrong.Do better. You embarrass yourself.
>>16480754How is the weather in Calcutta?
>>16480759Why are you so bad at this?
>>16480764At what? You are a little troll, nothing you say matters. Go ahead and tell me more about your irrelevant solar farm that you own and has nothing to do with anything anyone said.
>>16480753Whatever you do, do not calculate the cost of the initial build, teardown, and replacement. It will only hurt your feelings more.
>>16480767You are the one pretending you can tell others what to do with their property. Keep seething though, I've got checks to cash.
>>16480767>Not American>Calcutta >At what?Location services, obviously.
>>16480731Split atoms for what reason? The sun is already doing that already. All we need to do is catch the free energy flowing from the sun that will never run out as far as human life is concerned. All the life on earth runs on the sun's power. The earth gets 173,000 terawatts of continuous energy from the sun 24/7. To put that into perspective, the entire world's electrical usage is only 27,000 terawatt hour. Just 1 hour of sun gives more than 6 x power of the entire earth's electrical usage in a year. Its just free energy sitting there ready to be collected. Imagine the desert being flooded every day and people in the desert were trying to argue how they should create water from scratch while ignoring the fucking flood of water all around them.
>>16480732It's also made of very poisonous components that rot the earth.They also break and have to be changed often. Very "green".
>>16480731Why split the atom yourself when Sun does it literally for free? Are you dumb?
>>16480731>Why does this retarded shit exist when we can split an atomBecause sunlight is:freesafe ubiquitous scalableenvironmentally friendlythe hardware is inexpensive, easy to install and maintain
>>16481450Retard take
>>16480731To get the noggin joggin.They gunna turn your mind into a donut.
>>16481527>gives you skin cancer in your path
>>16481527>environmentally friendlySunlight is not environmentally friendly, under the influence of constant bombardment with sunlight the Earth's atmosphere has gone from a healthy 10% CO2 to a dangerously low 0.4% CO2 over the past billion or so years. Even worse, it had gone as low as 0.2% before mankind started doing something to alleviate the CO2 scarcity.Life of Earth is carbon based, without substantial available atmospheric CO2 all life on Earth will perish and sunlight is what instigates the removal of CO2 from the atmosphere via photosynthesis.
>>16480735>Nuclear power requires a consistent level of competence that is increasingly difficult to maintain and is also under active attack.What?
>>16481848Next nuclear failure that'll lead to ecological catastrophy is going to be caused by DEI hire.
>>16481639I want (YOU) to help me on a mission to stop faggots eliminating CO2 from atmosphere by using GMO algae, it'll harm food production and we'll be pretty much fucked if they succeed.
>>16480731It makes lithium cheaper, therefore I'm pro-solar.
>>16480731why not do both?
>>16480731It doesn't cost a gorillion dollars and take 15-20 years to build, additionally it costs fuck all to operate as you don't need a ton of high paid, highly specialized workers to keep it running.The economics just werk
>>16480731to funnel money to china
>>16481639>it's the cholesterol debate againTeh sun is the butter of Earth.
>>16482250Remember when Texas lost thousands of acres of solar farms? Remember when it happened a second time? LOLYou are promoting a blatant keynes government subsidy fraud where windows are so great for the economy because we keep replacing them.
>>16482286I legitimately have no idea what you're referring to, are you referring to the big winter blackout from a few years ago?
>>16480748>200 watts per square meterAnd that's all a normal person needs.
>>16482307Hailstorm https://www.newsweek.com/thousands-solar-panels-texas-destroyed-hailstorm-1883546
>>16482399How many places actually get baseball sized hail on a regular basis? What was the cost of replacing the affected panels?Big solar farms have moving panels, why not just rotate them to a safer orientation when inclement weather is coming?How many of the damaged panels actually stopped generating power as opposed to just seeing a reduction in efficiency?
>>16481450This Anon seems to not understand that all man-made physical systems need continual routine maintenance in order to remain fuctional and safe.Anon is also willing to leave out the nuclear waste issue and likely has a Liquid Molten Salt or SpaceX Sends Waste to Mars card in his deck.
>>16481639This Anon would also like to remind you of the dangers of drinking dihydroxic acid and that The Bible says that pi=3.
>>16481848This Anon has never read a newspaper.
Cost. It is possible now to produce several nuclear power plants worth of solar panels in a month if you have the industrial capacity (China).Fusion is the key breakthrough though.
>>16482250This Anon does not see the economic and political potential of investing in good, long-term, well-paying jobs for Americans nor the electrical infrastructure growth we need to realize our transition away from fossil fuels.
>>16482271I used Chinese made panels on my roof when I added solar. They were simply the better product in terms of efficiency, longevity, and cost.If equivalent Made in the USA panels existed: via tarrifs, less regulation, and technological improvements in American manufacturing, I would gladly buy them.But at present, that animal simply does not exist.
>>16480731You could power the entire US and grow more cabbages and other shade tolerant crops using agrivoltaics. Just the acreage of just the cabbage farms is enough to power the US 10 times over. Alternatively companies could be required to put solar panel shades over parking spots which would reduce the number of dead children and animals. How would you like to power the US? The way that gives us fewer dead children, the way that gives us more cabbages, or the way that costs a fuckton and creates waste disposal issues that didn't exist.
>>16480731supply of uranium is running low
>>16482399Texas has an extremely hard time keeping it electrical grid operating under a variety of weather conditions.https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/natural-gas-power-storm/https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/22/texas-power-grid-extreme-weather/https://www.texastribune.org/2022/02/15/texas-power-grid-winter-storm-2021/https://www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-the-causes-for-texas-blackout-go-well-beyond-wind-turbines-idUSKBN2AJ2DZ/https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/what-went-wrong-with-texass-main-electric-grid-and-could-it-have-been-prevented/Unsurprisingly, corporate greed and political pettiness appears to be the root causes.
>>16482500Sucks to suck. Texas should try to be less isolationist and connect their grid to the rest of the US.
>>16482509"No fucking way do we Californians want that piece of engineering turd of a grid interfering with our right to burn down entire cities! Texas gets what Texas deserves." -- Some billionaire PG&E shareholder, prolly.
>>16482525That was more or less the justification. They don't want the US government to be able to threaten their energy when they throw a tantrum and threaten to suceed once or twice a decade. Their roads are even worse. They've been designed to use as much gasoline as possible so that Texas oil companies make a little bit more money. Civil engineering has to be one of the most useless degrees imaginable in Texas.
>>16482451I was never opposing nuclear, in fact I think it kicks ass, and well paid, highly technical jobs are absolutely a benefit to the economy and society as a whole, but it's restricted to utilities that can afford to invest billions of dollars and decades of time before a single watt gets generated.Solar has better economics when it comes to adding new capacity, since it's entirely possible to build a modest solar farm for like $10 million dollars, and have some actually meaningful output almost immediately, it's also much easier to be expanded over time while you're already generating
>>16482532Hey, if Texas didn't have oil, USA wouldn't kept Texas. Give Texas back to Mexico so Mexico can build a Indio-mexican chip trade to feed the world.
>>16482564Honestly that would be hilarious. They wouldn't have to worry about illegal immigrants anymore.
>>16480731nuclear is bad for accommodating power curves, solar+storage is faster than even gas plants
>>16480731Because fusion is more efficient than fission and solar panels are directly harvesting fusion.
>>16480731Nuclear fission for all it's sophistication and capability in energy production is currently rather unpractical from an economic perspective, it does not help major socio-political entities will continue to advocate against nuclear power not for its infrastructural and maintenance costs but for environmental security and baseless fears they have formulated through the consumption of Fictional media and the observation of two nuclear disasters in Fukushima and Chernobyl.
>>16482431hot rock need no maintenance, grug see water boil, keep rock submerged and free power
>>16483778The only reactor that ever existed on Earth and didn't need any maintenance is the Oslo reactor which formed by chance and didn't do anybody any good.
>>16481848Talent is rare and you can fuck things up witth a couple bad hires or unforeseen catastrophic events. People can't really visualize the efficicency, to them both approaches generate energy and thats it, people have no sense of scale or efficiency, however the risks that vome with nuclear can be very well understood by people. So they weight risks of both approaches appropriately, but do not consider the difference in benefits accurately. Given that policy makes are rarely technical this is what happens.
Solar is cheap, and mass producible. soon it will be the cheapest source of power by far, much cheaper than nuclearThere are laws meaning nuclear power plants in the US need to be 'as safe as possible', meaning if they invented a way to make a nuclear power plant at half the cost, they would be legally required to spend the savings on more safety. Nuclear is scary and you wont get zoning approval. Your massive nuclear power plant wont get past the ten years of enviromental review, you can put solar ontop of buildings.Even singapore could be powered by solar solely ontop of buildings.
>clear skies and land is cheap and mass proudiciblefunny little 4chud fantasies
>>16486246>He doesn't know that states trade energy >He doesn't know about rooftops >He doesn't know about parking lots>He doesn't know about agrivoltaics NGMI
>>16480735The teenagers with HS diplomas the Navy used to run its reactors have a flawless performance record
>>He doesn't know that states trade energy yeah, nuclear power countries sell it to coalburning retards >>He doesn't know about rooftops rooftops don't follow the sun>>He doesn't know about parking lotsI'm sure cars won't obstruct the sun>>He doesn't know about agrivoltaics I could produce more energy by growing more plants since solar is that worthlessAnd I'm sure all of that can solve problem of clouds existing.
>>16481535>>16480749Glowniggers can't sneed
>>16482367ok so put that garbage on your roof and fuck off, moron, infrastructure needs a lot more
>>16486301>countries>And I'm sure all of that can solve problem of clouds existing.States, retard. US states. A good portion of your energy comes from hundreds of miles away. That's why cloud cover doesn't matter at all.>rooftops don't follow the sunTracking mounts do, retard. Besides that you get plenty of energy without tracking.>I'm sure cars won't obstruct the sunPut the panels above the cars, retard. Have you never seen a carport or a shade?>I could produce more energy by growing more plants since solar is that worthlessWrong, retard. Photosynthetic efficiency is less than 1%. You could generate enough energy to power the US 10 times over just with agrivoltaics over cabbage farms and simultaneously yield more cabbage.How is it possible that you are this retarded? All of this information is freely available. You have access to it. Why did you come to /sci/ of all boards?
>>16486308That's not true. Look up the 2000 watt society.
>>16486338one passenger train needs around 3kWh per mile and if you're a greentard who hates pollution you won't be implying that cars will use less, right?
>photosynthetic efficiency is less than 1%>all life on earth and all humanity's energy resources depend on it and survived for billions of years just fine
>>16486443You clearly didn't look it up. It's 2,000 watts per person. Trains carry hundreds of people at a time. China uses 1,500 watts per person. Switzerland uses 5,000 watts per person and has resolutions to reduce that to 2,000 watts.
>>16486604common vacuum cleaner uses 2000W by itself, kys bugman
>>16486446How can you be this retarded? You want to power modern society with wood? Not going to happen. The return on energy invested is too low. Solar panels yield more than 20 times the energy as biomass and it's high grade electricity instead of low grade heat, which means that solar panels really give you closer to 100 times the energy after losses. Try learning something for once in your life.
>>16486606Do you not understand the difference between power and energy? 2000 watts for 24 hours is 48 kWh. You don't use your vacuum 24 hours a day.
>>16486608Yes, wood gas is supreme. Nazis used wood gas. I will use wood gas. If I need to kill 6 billion to make it sustainable, I'm happy to do it.
>>16486611>turn on vacuum cleaner>circuit breaker pops because I had a microwave running too
>>16486615That's not how that works, retard. You can use as much energy as you want. The goal is to limit it to 48 kWh per day. You could use 48,000w for an hour if your house could handle that load. Further it's averaged over time. If you use 58 kWh one day and 38 kWh the next it's still the same amount of energy. Did you fail high school physics?
>>16486612You are an unhinged retard. Modern society is not sustainable below a specific ROEI and syngas is below that mark. It doesn't matter how many people you kill.
Just mine as much lithium, sodium, potassium, manganese, nickel and cobalt, so it'll be cheap.
>>16480731Green faggots rather undress, eat grass and roleplay that they are cattle in the fieldsThis is seriously their fantasyThey hate being humansThat's why they want to live off of the sun like a vegetable
>>16486604>Trains carry hundreds of people at a time.Are trains always at 100% capacity?
>>16486789They don't need to be. Are you aware that train schedules are optimized to maximize passengers?
>>16480738>netherlands and canada try to pass a few rules to stop braindead farmers from poisoning the waterbeds with excess nitrogen>hurr bill gates and ilerminaty want to take muh landbill gates is pro nuclear and antisolar btw
as soon as energy storage catches up in price and energy density solar will become a no-brainer.and as soon as energy storage catches up in price and energy density electric vehicles will become a no-braineri'm not against nuclear, of course, because we do need all the electricity we can get. but i don't understand why you retards are against solar.
>>16480731to milk the goycattle for money while taxing air
>>16486637hes joking nigga
>>16480731Serious questionSince PV has a very low conversion rate of the energy in the sunlight to actual usable energy (i think its somewhere around 40%)Why is it a bad idea to use Solar Thermal modules commonly used for heating like picrel to boil some water that would turn a turbine?Ive had a job where i installed those and one time i cut open a pipe that went from the collector to the boiler, the water shot out and instantly turned into vapor and boiled/burned my whole arm.My boss said the water in there is about 400-600 degrees celcius hot, it uses vacuum tubes and angled mirror backsides to always have maximum solar harvest output.
>>16481527>ubiquitousonly at peak solar in certain countries>scalableIf you don't mind covering everything in solar fields >environmentally friendlythe plastic waste it generates says otherwise Solar has some good qualities but it will never be good enough to be a base load
>>16487302probably works in even fewer climates
>>16487306It works here in germany but you need an additional heater so that in the on average 5 days per year where the outside is so cold that the water in the collector would freeze you can heat it up and aid it. Alternatively you could seperate these cycles and lead the head through sonething like a metal plate and have frost protection additive kn the water that circles out.But if you used it solely for energy throuhj steam why would it be worse?
>>16487326how are you supposed to boil water with the sun when it's 18C outside?
>>16487302>Since PV has a very low conversion rate of the energy in the sunlight to actual usable energy (i think its somewhere around 40%)it's 20% in commercial panels. special, multi-junction solar cells used in satellites can go to 32%. experimental cells go to near 40%>>16487302>Why is it a bad idea to use Solar Thermal modules commonly used for heating like picrel to boil some water that would turn a turbine?It's challenging to boil that much water, but solar concentrators do just that. see: https://www.fastcompany.com/3057288/this-huge-new-solar-farm-near-las-vegas-provides-power-even-at-nightI only see those in arid areas in the U.S. and Spain. I'd assume they're not that cost-efficient elsewhere.
>>16487304>If you don't mind covering everything in solar fieldsa solar farm the size of guatemala could power the whole world.
>>16487371where are we sending all the Guatemalans?
>>16487373
>>16484433>Oslo reactorOklo reactor, mong
>>16487302Industrial tourbines to make electric energy from that are quite more expensive than PV.
>>16487394Bugie
>>16480731Decommissioning Sellafield alone is going to cost the Brits 136 billion Pounds.
>>16487347Its bundling the heat in a concave mirror behind the vacuum pipe.Means theres only heat going in and never going out.
>>16487685Makes sense, but i wonder, the pv modules use alot of rare earths that have to be acquired by jewish owned child slave labor. The thermal modules only use water glass and metal though, idk about the turbines but i figure its gonna use less rare earths huh?
>>16482451yeah, well, you would know a lot about transitioning
>>16482493thorium sounds cooler anyway
>>16487767>the pv modules use alot of rare earths that have to be acquired by jewish owned child slave laborwhich rare earths and which child slaves?I'm not defending solar because of any sense of moral superiority. I just want cheap energy.
>>16487767Take your meds. Rare earths are only used as dopants which means it takes less than a kilo per metric ton of solar panels. Child slaves are used to make pretty much everything you buy and would be used to make the Stirling engines you're talking about. Stop watching conservative news sources and read a book.
>>16487767Do you realize those niggers would collect worms, partialy naked, in the forrest to not starve, starving anyway, if they didn't mined cobalt?Stainless steel is enough, but you need magnets for generators.
>>16482493Breeder reactors and fuel reprocessing solve that problem
>>16482799anything+storage is faster than even gas plants. It's due to the storage, not the solar.
>>16480731Countries that are serious about green energy are building both. China is building 200GW+ of solar and wind per year. However, it has also been starting construction on 6GW of nuclear power and approving 12GW of nuclear per year for the last few years (which is more than it sounds when you consider that in China solar has 15% average capacity factor, onshore wind 20%, and new model nuclear reactors 90%).Contrary to popular belief, nuclear and solar are in fact highly complementary, because you can build the nuclear reactors where good reliable solar resources don't exist. In China's case, the best solar resources are in the deep inland deserts. So by building nuclear reactors at the coastal load centers, they avoid having to build as many 1,500-2,000km transmission lines, which are not free. Also, nuclear is excellent as a source of thermal power, which is needed for district heating and industrial purposes.
>>16480749this.its is retard thread.
>>16480731T(n) = \sum_{k=1}^n \frac{1}{\sqrt{k}}T(t) = \int_0^\infty e^{-\lambda t} , dt ]x_{n+1} = x_n \bmod k\epsilon > 0, \quad x_{n+1} = 0 \quad \text{if } x_n \leq \epsilon ]\int_0^\infty T(t) e^{-\lambda t} \, dt \to 0 \quad \text{as } t \to \infty\lim_{n \to \infty} \sum_{k=1}^n \frac{1}{k^2} = \frac{\pi^2}{6} ]x_{n+1} = \left( x_n \cdot e^{-\lambda t} \right) \bmod kThis.
>>16488189Learn tex
i don't get how people think solar can replace nuclear. compact reactor designs exist that can take up less space than a garage while still producing 3200 megawatts. you would need 50 square miles of solar arrays to match that. land is the most valuable commodity, so everyone talking about the economics here need to realize this makes zero sense. the ROI for selling land to businesses would offset the cost benefit of building only solar panels by several orders of magnitude. nuclear reactors make the most sense out of every single power source.
>>16488955Solar is cheaper and more attractive to investors.
>>16489162But it depends on weather and time of day and requires a lot of infrastructure to fill the gap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRhNOv1Uo4M
>>16482399Thats why we cloudseed here in goymany
