Are scientists in competition to see who can waste the most of other people's money in the most absurd and grandiose fashion?
>only NEW AND EXCITING research gets funded>you don't eat with out funding>so you make up bullshit so long as it's NEW AND EXCITINGthis bullshit and the "studies don't mean anything anymore if they're older than 4 years" will keep the academics feeding meth to chickens forever
>>16481482>>only NEW AND EXCITING research gets funded>>you don't eat with out funding>>so you make up bullshit so long as it's NEW AND EXCITINGGet a real job, fag.
>>16481483I don't work in academia. I just know their secrets. The only people that need a scientific journal are physicists and chemists and the like. But scientific journals became fashionable so now everyone from literary types to Phd dishwashers have become people watchers and opinion surveyors so try and attach numbers to their literacy to try and ape "science."
>>16481470>DOGElmao what is this meme magic?I just can't take this world seriously anymore
>>16481470Sometimes these are ridiculous as they sound, sometimes it's just hyperbole looking for an excuse to cut funding.There was a biology prof at my old institution who got constantly shit on by politicians looking to slash funding, they'd post ludicrous claims that he was some pervert getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to watch snails having sex. His research was looking at species of sexually and asexually reproducing snails to determine what may have led to the development of sexual reproduction in lifeforms, and it was mostly built around genetic sampling data.Same here - a casual search reveals this is part of multi-year study on the impact of substance abuse on tendencies towards high risk sexual behavior and how both behaviors can be curbed. It also was for only $100K, not a million.https://grantome.com/grant/NIH/R01-DA022451-02Where's the Department Of Hyperbolisms?
>>16481470wtf i love nafotrannyis now?
>>16481470Only 8% of the budget goes to federal employees, the other 92% goes to contractors and commercial entities. So DOGE being the retarded idea that is it is going to cut back on the 8% rather than the obscene amount of waste in the other 92%. tl;dr more money goes to the billionaires.
>>16481534>is going to cut back on the 8% rather than the obscene amount of waste in the other 92%Did you just pull that out of your ass?
>>16481626That makes sense if you replace "socialism" with "Britain"
>>16481659nta - but he's probably not far off. the vast, vast, VAST majority of waste in government spending is paying contractors obscene amounts of money to mismanage the shit out of projects.... VAST.just look at the ares rocket program, we paid ATK six billion dollars to develop a prototype for a shuttle replacement, and all they did was paint the words "ares" on the side of one of their off-the-shelf SRBs and put a goofy payload fairing on the top.
>>16481696Not talking about the ratio, but the targeting of the ratio. Like how dumb do you have to be to think the 92% wouldn't be the easiest target to fix
>>16481470How many "nearly $1 million"s does it take to make a trillion?Yeah, it's silly, but is this really gonna clear our $36 trillion debt?
>>16481709OP is just the clickbait stuff. The biggest problems are elsewhere.https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4995638-vivek-ramaswamy-donald-trump-doge/>“We expect mass reductions,” said during an appearance on Fox News’s “Sunday Morning Futures” with Maria Bartiromo. “We expect certain agencies to be deleted outright. We expect mass reductions in force in areas of the federal government that are bloated.”>Ramaswamy also said “massive cuts” are expected among federal contractors “and others who are overbilling the federal government.”
>>16481499Don't look now but there's a "related projects" section. But anyway, they use quail because they're more reliant on their color vision to choose their mates compared to mice. And they have the same sex hormones as humans, although they don't work exactly the same. It's just an animal model. Labs use quail and chickens more than dogs, cats or monkeys but there's no pop-culture visibility that I know of.
>>16481709execute the debt-holders.
>>16481709>its only a million dollarseverything is cheap when you're talking about other people's money
>>16481470>DOGE focuses on slashing science fundingsasuga
>>16481499>$100,000 to *measure* snails having sex>$100,000 to *prevent* coked-up pheasants from having sexDo you really think you’re talking your way out of this one?
>>16481696>the vast, vast, VAST majority of waste in government spending is paying contractors obscene amounts of money to mismanage the shit out of projects.That’s second. First is giving welfare to nonwhites (who hate us).
>>16481470>Government waste>It's about science grants>Not the military This is a dailymail article. Why do you fags come here to shit up the board with tabloid nonsense?
>>16481817Nonsense.
>>16482085Don't worry, we're cutting the hundred gorillion a year being flushed down the Ukraine toilet too, that just doesn't happen to be a DOGE thing.Also that's not a dailymail screencap. Sperging out about news websites you hate already makes you look dumb enough without being literally wrong about it.
>>16482104Nobody is sending Ukraine money. They're sending them old military equipment that would be decommissioned anyways. Halting aid to Ukraine does nothing to limit military spending. This is exactly what I expect from someone stupid enough to read dailymail.
>>16482108https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/>As of September 30, 2024, the U.S. Ukraine response funding totals nearly $183 billion, with $130.1 billion obligated and $86.7 billion disbursed.>fundingStill not a dailymail cap btw.
>>16482114That's the value of the equipment sent. It's not actual money. This is exactly what I expect from someone who reads dailymail.
>>16482108>>16482119The entire government budget of Ukraine is supported by foreign aid. Not to mention, that "old" equipment has to be replaced. 155mm shells are good for 50 years, they've blasted through those and have started up increased production.
>>16482119Why would congress need to pass huge appropriation bills for old tanks? We give Ukraine free shit and congress passes a bigass funding bill to replace it all. That the literal cash ends up at Raytheon instead of Kiev doesn't change that it's stupid and that it's going to stop.
>>164814701 million usd is pretty much nothing for a scientific project. The largest part by far is usually salaries, and I wouldn't be surprised that behind the clickbait title there are huge practical applications. Imagine for instance that increasing reproduction rate of quails doubles the productivity of quail farming...
>>16482133>>16482139That old equipment was slated for decommissioning and replacement. The US loses nothing by sending it to Ukraine. Halting aid does nothing to change the military budget. Now look up actual military budget waste. The military industrial complex is real has consumed more of your tax dollars than immigrants and Ukraine ever could.
>>16482174Fuck you. We lose the equipment which can be decommissioned and auctioned or scrapped for recycling. Better than supporting the ukraine.
>>16482241He's not even correct about how money and budgets works. Probably a meth head Azov nazi.
I wrote a Phd thesis ones for some dude for money. He told me before we even delivered the whole text, that it was arranged to get published. This is before official acceptance of the thesis lmao. The consultant professor gets lots of references in the thesis, then they publish it in one of their circlejerk journals and get free academic references.
>>16481813100,000 would barely cover salaries for 2 lab techs before the actual snails and equipment.
>>16481470>Are scientists in competition to see who can waste the most of other people's money in the most absurd and grandiose fashion?No, they are playing the same game every single person on this planet is: capitalism
>>16481534>So DOGE being the retarded idea that is it is going to cut back on the 8% rather than the obscene amount of waste in the other 92%Even assuming your figures are correct - cutting off the 8% "head of the beast" fixes the allocation of the other 92% anyway, I mean who enters into these agreements with contractors in the first place. Are you a child?
>>16481722It's clear from this image that Interest payments (kill all (((userers)))), DoD, and Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security are our biggest expenditures. Even if we could somehow ignore interest payments (to whom?) and double corporate taxes, that'd still leave $0.5 trillion to somehow get rid of. Shit is fucked.(Look at how $50 billion is barely even a pixel LMAO. And people in this thread are pissing themselves over less than $1mil)
>>16482483>that'd still leave $0.5 trillion to somehow get rid ofDone.https://www.cagw.org/in-the-news/2024-09-06-000000-0
>>16482241>>16482255Neither of you have any idea how the military works or how it decommissions old equipment. At this point it's a giant welfare scheme for corporations and people who aren't smart enough for college.
>>16482517You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. Might as well be a dog barking about magic food bowls.
>>16482517>>16482575To be clear, yes, it's very much a corporate welfare sink; everything else you said about how money, depreciation, or cash flow is pure headcanon.
>be policymaker"We are tired of funding social science research that can't be replicated. A million dollars to anyone who produces QUALITY social science research" >Scientists gets grant for highly objective, highly replicable basic behavior research in birds>Research much cheaper and IRB-feasible than primate research>Research can reduce the cost of future research in other animals and humans by piloting methods and processes"No, not like that! Let's give $3,000,000 to a bunch of Marxist sociologists to study homelessness" >Sociologists pay temporarily sober methheads/formerly homeless to interview currently homeless>Sociologists recruit ex-homeless interviewers as they 'will work better because they will trust them'>Sociologists take homeless informants at their word when homeless say they are local to the region and give other info>Critics ask, "15% of your sample self-reported as homeless veterans, why didn't you confidentiality verify veteran status as an independent benchmark? You could even connect them to services" >Sociologists scoffs, 'such probing questions would scare them off'>Critics ask, 'Can we see your structured interview?>Sociologists 'Sorry, the exact questions are proprietary' >Sociologists point to the Silicon Valley statistics firm that crunched the numbers, 'the statistics are on our side.'"Wow, what quality research!", explain the politicians, "The homeless are temporarily downtrodden locals who just need a boost. See? The homeless report that they are victims of violence, not the perpetrators! if only we could explain why homeless who live in areas where one can safely smoke meth or crack, without being victimized by the police, are so often reporting being victims of rape. Maybe next time the sociologists can see if white prep school kicks are raping homeless people."
ITT: people will kneejerk try to defend any ridiculous thing, if you say Elon Musk is against it
>>16485510I don't think destroying social security and medicare while defaulting on the national debt is going to go over well with the typical republican voter, or any voter, really.https://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=744
>>16485581Why not throw in a second holocaust and forcing women into breeding pods while you're at it?
>>16482647You know that 3 million dollars is nothing, right? Are you poor?
>>16485608>FotM boomer talking point #297520908
>>16481470>governments waste moneyA thief does not spend his victims money wisely. This should be obvious.Government workers are even worse than a thief, at least the thief has to work to plan out a burglary: Government workers just have tax money fall on their lap.
>>16481499Don't rely on government funding then.
>>16482294Irrelevant. Are you willing to part with $100,000 to measure snail sex? This science is funded by government because it is not worth doing.
>>16482483>Interest payments (kill all (((userers))))Or just use some impulse control and don't spend more than you steal by taxation.US govt spends more on healthcare than any other country in the world. This is why US healthcare system is so shit.Solve debt crisis by axing medical care completely (also totally deregulate the industry, no doctors licensing, no patents, nothing), axe welfare, and axe military funding: you have a second amendment for this.
>>16482647>bunch of Marxist sociologists to study homelessness" Symbiotic relationship. Marxists get free money and clout, government get's "facts and statistics" to backup and justify further government spending and intervention.
>>16487266Who cares? It's only $100,000.
>>16487272>US govt spends more on healthcare than any other country in the world. >This is why US healthcare system is so shit.Explain this jewish magic to me
Germany's budget breakdown for comparison (gesundheit means health)Germany has a population of 84 million, and spent $35 billion on healthcare ($416 per person)According to this >>16482483 chart, The USA spends $1488 billion (lol) on 333 million people, or $4468 per personSo how is it the Germans get free universal healthcare, but we still have to pay $6k a year out of pocket just for incomplete coverage?
Batman Anus moment
>>16487300>The USA spends $1488 billion (lol) on 333 million people, or $4468 per personI hate when people use this sloppy language. What is "The USA"?The USA government or the entire coutry?Because the country as a whole spends 17% of GDP on healthcare. This includes all healthcare: Pharmaceuticals, hospice homes, all those retirement homes that have nurses bringing old people their medicine and bathing them, all of the money people pay private insurance to then pay hospitals, its over 4 trillion dollars
