Give me your best arguments against Uncle Ted
" We needed you to fart, THEN, Ted "" When you were over our moufs "There
>>16486421Bombs people, gets no results done.I could say cult leaders have been more influential than him, if he had such high IQ he would have known how to get popular opinion to favor his views.
>>16486428His goal was to spread the message, in which he succeeded.
>>16486435A message for what? To rant? What a fucking manchild.
>>16486560the truth. what a fucking jew
>>16486577Okay and? Did he get well armed militia groups to fight for his ideas or carve up a political sphere to influence the masses? Words alone mean nothing, you need power to backup your claims or ideas.
>>16486421Literally just kill all real estate (((speculators))) and stop pushing kids straight into college and his arguments go away
>>16486560That growth and technology aren’t inherently good and there is a solution (that being violent revolution against technology) >>16486594I think you misunderstand his arguments. To simplify they are >industrial society is inherently less satisfactory than pre-industrial society (lack of the power process)>Industrial society (and civilization in general) are inherently limiting in your freedoms and dignity, and there is no way redeem or change industrial society without sacrificing individual dignity and autonomy>You can’t just “ignore” technology because you will always essentially be forced upon you (perfect example is the automobile)
>>16486421bombs are technologyhe stopped living his creed
>>16486619Assuming you aren’t just taking the piss1 Ted fully acknowledged you have to use technology to destroy technology 2 there’s nothing wrong with technology that doesn’t hamper an individual’s autonomy, dignity, and power process
>>16486421Ted was a niggerfaggot that larped as a primitivist but lived in a small cabin on the periphery of civilization, regularly stealing tools and other fruits of technology so that he could make his primitive larp more bearable. What a faggot
>>16486626Ted could've acknowledged that you can use technology to become independent of technology
>>16486421Just another terrorist schizo jew.
>>16486648Covert Jewry detected
>>16486643You are putting blind trust in technology that it will magically make everything better. The past 200 years industrial technology has only made things largely worse for the common man while scientists keep spouting “30 more years and technology will make the world a utopia!”
>>16486653You misunderstand, i hate tech, especially transhumanism that leaves alot of humans behind (and the idea of humanity). The shabaka stone deserves to be a millstone. Im only here out of a misplaced sense of altruism and peer pressure
>>16486653I have no idea how you can believe this, so many things in the modern world make life easy
>>16486610You told me his message, now what?I can disagree with him very simply, by saying>Violence badNow what? How is he going to convince me implying that's what he wants, put a bomb to make me see that violence is indeed bad and make me dismiss the rest of his message?And if his intention was not to convince me, then it's a rant. Why didn't he rant to a tree or a dog or a random hobo in the street if that would suffice?He has been judged correctly by society. He's a schizo fuck. He's not intelligent, he's a dumbass who dreamed of bullshit and accordingly couldn't imagine a plan to make his wishful thinking a reality.
>>16486663Ah I see, carry on then. >>16486665We have many amenities yes, but there is good evidence to suggest we live far less fulfilling lives than hunter gatherers or substance farmers. Those people undoubtedly live harder lives but are content with those lives >>16486680Just because he hasn’t convinced YOU doesn’t mean he hasn’t convinced many other people. Ted knew that this viewpoint would never get the majority of people to follow it. All it needs is a small group of committed intellectuals. Industrial society is extremely fragile and has to be kept up by numerous interconnected systems. It takes much longer to reconnect a power line than to say, chop it down with axe. Have you actually read the manifesto?
>>16486435>his goalIt was the FBI's goal. They mk ultra'd him. He wasn't in control of his actions.
>>16486754Do basic research before posting, his role in the MK ultra program was as follows>professor invites student into room to debate a certain subject>professor was instructed to lambast, mock, and deride the student to see if the student would back down or change their view
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>>16486741>Just because he hasn't convinced YOU doesn't mean he hasn't convinced many other people.So? Where are the results? Where is the change? Name the neoludite primitivist party and how many votes they got in the most recent election in ANY shithole country.There is none, because all he did was rant. He couldn't cook up a plan, he isn't a leader, he is a schizo who killed people for a fucking rant and deserves nothing short of what he got.
>>16486779One terrorist organization inspired by Ted is individuals tending toward the wild/individuals tending towards savagery. To say he hasn’t inspired any groups is wrong.It’s clear you haven’t read a single word of Ted’s because he clearly states that the Revolution must happen at a time of critical weakness of the techno-industrial world order (such as major war, global disease outbreak, etc) and in the meantime the revolutionaries must either lie lower and consolidate resources or do small scale attacks. Unfortunately you are right about one thing, many of Ted’s followers believe that industrial society will fall in about 15-20 years. And have largely just built homesteads
>>16486421I like playing vidya. Suck it. Singularity eventually.
>>16486653>he past 200 years industrial technology has only made things largely worse for the common manThats a fucking wild take.
>>16486824it's true, substance farmers, hunter-gatherers, and pastoralists have all been shown to live happier lives than modern industrial "civilized" people. The beginning of the Industrial Revolution was especially terrible, work 6 days a week in 12-hour shifts in a dark, dank factory and had a get risk of an amputation while working the machinery. All this to be paid a pittance just enough to buy some stale bread. True that industrial society slowly became more bearable but it's still leagues worse than actual ways of living.
>>16486811>Individuals tending toward the wildLiterally who? Never heard of them. You just made that up didn't you?>LE REVOLUTION must happen at a major war or global disease outbreakLike Covid-19? What major fucking war, there's always war and after every war the first thing people think of is rebuilding, afterwards someone of the strongest ideological current of the time takes the power vacuum and prolongs himself with, guess what, technology. The fact that this nigger is only heard of in alt-right memes and schizo boards proves he achieved nothing. He didn't start a movement, he didn't leave a plan because he had none. Fucking Marx retarded as he is left a fucking plan, people followed him not long after he wrote shit, took over a country and stood for 70 years. Ted is a fucking joke.
>>16487051Discussing this with you is worthless because it’s clear you have no intention of actually reading the text or his following writings. You are debating something you know nothing about, here I’ll link it to you https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/unabomber/manifesto.text.htm
>>16486421That his plan to solve the problem didn't seem viable, and moreover that he failed to really sell his alternative over what we already have, flawed as that is.His diagnosis of the problems of 'industrial society' are genuinely excellent. Derivative of Ellul, but efficiently expressed and substantially added to with his own life experiences, perspectives, and impressively prescient predictions. In spite of all that, I was not sold that living innawoods would be personally preferable to the industrial society. A vast effort of swimming against the tide for the sake of trading the new iniquities for archaic ones. Perhaps it speaks to a weakness in my own character, but the bread and circuses are things I quite enjoy, actually, and the charms of a rustic primitivism don't seem worth the squeeze of the billions that would need to be killed first.Aside from that, I think it was already too late for his proposed global revolt against technology to be viable in even his own time of writing, let alone in ours if we read him now.The System's Neatest Trick was him at his best, a really incisive analysis of a particular bit of the way society works. Also the whole thing with the bombs was pretty funny. I fully respect his marketing and largely respect him as a man. I think more people should read his work, but his program just isn't for me, and I think it probably isn't for most other people either. He is correct about the problems, but I think we need better solutions than what he offered.
>>16486421>technology make our lives shitty and will destroy us>so let's go back to the shit people ran from by developing technology (but it's totally a better life, trust me dude!) and wait for an asteroid to destroy us instead
>>16486421>Give me your best arguments against Uncle TedHe's poor-man's Marx. Of course, Marx was tragically wrong about the solution, but at least he correctly identified the problem.Also, he is exactly like the soi tech-worshippers he criticizes: he treats technology as some sort of metaphysical entity endowed with its own agency that acts indipendent of human will, like a God or a force of nature (which admittedly might one day become a reality once AI become advanced enough, but thankfully we're not there yet).
>>16486421>Ted fails to mention jews in his political critiques. Anybody who tries to discuss post-WW2 American politics without discussing jewish influence can safely be ignored.>Ted blames the entirety of industrial society for his personal feelings of social alienation, when the real culprit was that he was neglected as a child by his shitty parents. Ted basically believed that we all needed to return to monke because he was a social outcast.>Ted's rage at industrial society ultimately stems from his inability to get a gf - he was actually on the verge of trooning out at one point in his life.TL;DR Ted Kaczynski was the original incel. He should be mocked, not revered. Also, as others have pointed out, his bombing campaign was kinda lame. All that effort, and who did he kill? An ad executive and a lobbyist. Talk about a nothingburger.
I wouldn't make good money sitting on my ass with a keyboard in front of me were it not for technology.
>>16486421That he's not going far enough. The true mistake was the Agricultural Revolution, the amount of pathogens and parasites that we amassed since then is truly mind-boggling compared to our closest relatives.
>>16486421Killing CEOs has minimal impact, you need to kill politicians.
>>16486421He was absolutely correct in diagnosing the problem, but he had no realistic solutionthis might be it though: >>>/x/39270304
Most people only read ISAIF aka his manifesto. His later works are far more refined, cool headed, and meaningful. Best idea he had imo is the nature of self propogating systems and their relationship with resource usage.Essentially, in the short term, "greedy" algorithms are more successful, that is systems that utilize a strategy of grabbing and using any and all resources with no constraints will tend to out perform more conservative ones in the short term. In the long run such strategies tend to be unsustainable, but the conservative systems will be absorbed into or destroyed by the more destructive/liberal ones. I would hope you can see the implications of this dynamic to humanity in the near future
>>16486421My best argument is that if we give up technology, we'll be conquered by other people with technology.
>>16486421Ted was right
>>16486421He was an animal that killed innocent people for the thrill of killing.Really based people prepare Lshaped ambushed and then lure glowies in it and follow an actual goal.Real heroes like the killdozer guy or timothy mcveigh
>>16487701>but at least he correctly identified the problem.Retard, marx was a jew that wrote the jew supremacist ideology that communism is and all leading commues were jewsRead 200 years together
>>16487754*jews
>>16487666that's not a good counterargument. humans generally don't know what they want or what is in their best interest. They will also optimize the fun or fulfillment out of every activity in the name of efficiency (this is a well-known phenomenon game devs have to solve). Also, most people who became agricultural did so because they were forced to, agricultural societies could easily outnumber hunter-gatherer societies 10:1. >>16487701All organized dependent technology inherently restricts individual freedom and dignity, there is no getting around this. >>16487725Calling out Jews would only distract from the main movement, which is the destruction of the techno-industrial system. He only called out leftists because he wanted to make it clear that leftism could not be allowed in the revolution. >>16487733He mentions in his letters and later writings that civilization also has the same problems as industrial society, just that industrial society makes it 10x worse. But he also states that trying to get rid of industrial society AND agriculture is a mistake. He saw no reasonable way to get rid of agriculture and civilization
