Celsius lovers be like "no no trust me it's better"
>>16486987Explain what 0 and 100 Fahrenheit mean
>>16486989cold afhot af
>>16486991Very precise. I'll calibrate my thermometer according to these specifications. Thanks you for enlightening me, lardistani.
>>16487005Celsius is not any more precise or useful than FahrenheitFahrenheit is more intuitive and Kelvin is more useful in scienceCelsius is neither intuitive nor useful in any wayIt's just bad and should be permanently abolished
>>16486989dangerously colddangerously hotyou dumb nigger
>>16487009>Celsius is not any more precise or useful than Fahrenheit0 is set at water freezing at 1 atm100 is set at water boiling at 1 atmThose two are a lot more precise than "le cold" and "le hot" respectively.>Kelvin is more useful in scienceDepends on the field. A biologist will never use Kelvin. Kelvin is only relevant when entropy comes into play: chemistry and certain areas of physics.>Celsius is neither intuitive nor useful in any wayIt's only intuitive to you because you're a lardistani who's never left his shithole. Normal people don't understand what "walk 500 ft" means, but they understand "walk 200 m" perfectly fine.>It's just bad and should be permanently abolishedI agree. We should all use reduced Planck units and set the Boltzmann constant to 1. We should say "it's a comfortable 1.4*10^(-30) outside". Now that's scientific.
>>16487017Distances are all arbitrary but no Fahrenheit is absolutely more intuitive for the layman than Celsius0-100 is obviously a more intuitive scale than -18-38 and it's more granular in regards to whole numbersNearly everywhere on Earth falls within the 0-100 range on average and thus anything outside that range can be easily and quickly interpreted as an extreme0 being freezing is somewhat intuitive but still less so than Fahrenheit because it gets below freezing regularly in many places on Earth100 in Celsius being based around boiling is nonsensical because nowhere that people live ever reaches that ambient temperature
>>16487026>Fahrenheit is absolutely more intuitive for the layman than CelsiusI repeat. It's intuitive to you because you're a dumb American. Nobody in my country understands your silly units. What's intuitive or not is entirely up to your upbringing.>0-100 is obviously a more intuitive scale than -18-38 and it's more granular in regards to whole numbersI agree, 0C to 100C is way more intuitive.>Nearly everywhere on Earth falls within the 0-100 range on average.kek now that's a bold claim. So we must conclude an average forest has 0 to 100 trees? Peculiar.>less so than Fahrenheitless so than what, 0F? It regularly goes below 0F in Siberia, so it's not intuitive to them. And I'm sorry that negative numbers break your intuition. Must be hard being an American.>100 in Celsius being based around boiling is nonsensical because nowhere that people live ever reaches that ambient temperatureAnd? Are you incapable of understanding concepts beyond what's right in front of you? Never boiled water before? Ah, I remembered. Americans don't have kettles.
>>16487026>0 being freezing is somewhat intuitive but still less so than Fahrenheit because it gets below freezing regularly in many places on EarthYou go outside. You saw some snow in the morning, but it has melted by now. You can therefore guess the temperature is around 0 C, a few degress belwo that in the morning. 32 is not a more intuitive number.It's kinda cold, so you go back home to make some tea. You boil water. You see it boiling, which means it's at around 100 C. 212 is not a not a more intuitive number. Retards will scream about muh 0-100 range being more intuitive, but never adress that any range without an intuitive REFERENCE POINT can't hope to be intuitive. It's arbitrary by definition.
>>16487017I have never needed to compare temperatures to the freezing and boiling points of water, so those points are pretty useless. However, the 0-100 scale in Fahrenheit closely matches temperature ranges that people will encounter living on Earth. 0 is uncomfortably cold, 100 is uncomfortably hot. You can say to someone in the US that the high temperatures for the next week will be in the 70's and they know it'll be pleasant, tell someone who uses Celsius it'll be in the 20's and they won't be sure what to wear. For most scientific purposes they're both fine, as is Kelvin, as long as everyone agrees on which system is being used. Fahrenheit is base-10 like the others so it avoids the pitfalls of most US-standard measurements.
To the celsiusfag ITT: I'm never one to say this, but in sincerity, you could not be more of a redditor if you tried.
>>16487041And I have never needed to compare temperatures to uhhhh... what do 0 and 100 Fahrenheit mean again?>0 is uncomfortably cold, 100 is uncomfortably hot.You realize that this is not a proper definition, right? I could declare that 10C (50F) is uncomfortably cold for me because I live in the tropics.
>>16487038>any range without an intuitive REFERENCE POINT can't hope to be intuitiveWhat is the average human body temperature?
>>1648705436.6C or 97.9F. What a massive fail lol.
>>1648705498.6 F or 37 C. Which is more intuitive, i wonder?>inb4 nu uh 100 Fit's infamously not, read a book.
>>16487057>What a massive fail lol.Your grasp of intuitive measures is, yes.
>>16487038But that's the whole point boiling water is not an intuitive reference point for everyday life.Nobody walks outside and thinks "hm it's 80% as hot as it would need to be to boil water".Boiling water is not a common natural occurrence for most animals including humans. It's a rare thing you have to seek out. People don't live in geothermal vents. You don't have to consider the boiling rain that's gonna come down later when you decide what to wear.Humans have to force water to boil intentionally in everyday life at which point the exact temperature becomes irrelevant to them. You just heat it until it bubbles.The same is kind of true for freezing. That's why people created and use these words in the first place "boil" and "freeze" instead of specifying the exact temperature. That's why it's not useful in everyday life to base your temperature system around these exact values. In this sense the only real use average people have for numerical temperatures is to describe ambient temperatures in which case Fahrenheit is more intuitive.
>>16487057>>16487058Your respective replies are illustrative of something important you won't perceive lol.
>>16487026>feels right to me therefore I must be correctyeah, greatcouldn't you at least try?
>>16487060>le intuitive measuresYeah, my grasp of subjective things that vary from person to person doesn't really exist.>>16487061>But that's the whole point boiling water is not an intuitive reference point for everyday life.Cool. Point me to one. Because so far you have none. I still don't know what a 100F is and how it is different from 98F or 102F. What's something I can measure to calibrate my Fahrenheit thermometer?
>>16487038This is a silly pissing contest.Centigrade is stupid for having negatives all over the place in common use. But I really don't care.On the whole the Imperial system is much better. Free of the bureaucratic stupidities that metric has (e.g. "Pa", the base unit, is uselessly small so everybody is always stuck working with kilopascals and megapascals, most units names are hideously long, etc)
>>16487061>But that's the whole point boiling water is not an intuitive reference point for everyday life.I literally pointed out two everyday everyday life events where 0 and 100 C are being observed.>Boiling water is not a common natural occurrence for most animals including humans.I boil water more often than i get a slight fever, must be a skill issue on your part or something.
>>16487068>Centigrade is stupid for having negatives all over the place in common use.As if Fahrenheit doesn't. See pic.
>>16487066>Yeah, my grasp of subjective things that vary from person to person doesn't really exist.Oh I know.
>>16487071>he replied seriously without getting what I'm sayingfucking kek. Bravo, anon. Your average US units defender.
>>16487066Literally all you have to do to understand what 0-100F feels like is visit a desert onceAnd there's plenty of desert on Earth and a lot of people and animals live thereSeems more palatable than sticking your hand in boiling water anyway
>>16487077Anon, you still don't get what I'm saying. I implore you to go somewhere where you "feel" like its 100F and compare it to the actual thermometer readings. 99.9% of the time you'd be wrong, because the actual temperature would be 98F or 100.2F or 105F. It's like saying "1 mile is the distance when I feel tired from walking". Do you realize how utterly fucking retarded you sound?
>>16487081Lmaoing @ your mental model of how people relate to and interact with quantitative data.
>>16487090Lmao at you not understanding what a definition is. I still don't know how to calibrate my Fahrenheit thermometer. Thanks for not helping me. Literally all you needed to provide were two specific repeatable measurements. Like the boiling and freezing points of water at a certain pressure, idk...
>>16487096>I still don't know how to calibrate my Fahrenheit thermometer.By converting to celsius. Wait till americans find out all of their imperial units are officially derived from corresponding SI units lmao
>>16487101Americans really don’t care. They are bizarre creatures. Their perceived exceptionalism makes them think any retarded practice of theirs is sensible.>Imperial is intuitive and practical and SI is “scientific” (whatever the fuck that means)Meanwhile 95% of the world just uses SI in both cases instead of crashing multi-million-dollar probes into Mars because of constantly converting between two systems for no apparent reason.
>>16487081>because the actual temperature would be 98F or 100.2F or 105FAnd these numbers are close to 100 are they not? So all these temperatures should feel relatively close to each other intuitively should they not? And they do.I really don't understand your point. Temperature constantly fluctuates so what? People generally don't need exact temperatures down to the last digit in every day situations not even when cooking.The only difference with Celsius in this regard is you have to use more decimals to really say even close to the accurate temperature. In which case this means most people using Celsius are actually way LESS accurate on average than Fahrenheit users because people often don't do that. In casual conversation do you think people are more likely to say "it's 27.5C" vs just 27 or 28? Yet the difference between 27.5C and 28C is more significant than the difference between 27F and 28F. Celsius being on a tighter scale literally just makes it easier to be less accurate in every day use.
if intuitive is about getting used to, just get used to using Kelvin.know y'all got scientific AND intuitive scale
>>16487108>And these numbers are close to 100 are they not?aren't you the one who was bitching that water never boils at exactly 100C?
>>16487108>And these numbers are close to 100 are they notkek. And? 2C is also close to 0C, but water never boils at 0C under 1 atm of pressure. You really can’t seem to understand the point of having units at all. If I calibrate my thermometer according to your “close enough” criteria, it’s gonna be a shitty thermometer, isn’t it? People would rather use a thermometer with smaller error margins that was calibrated using sensible methods rather than just going outside and “feeling it”.Once again, think about what you’re saying but in the context of length. If you’re a carpenter who has an order for a 1ftx6inx1in plank and you go ahead it and do it “by feel” and “close enough” as you put it, your customer would just tell you to go fuck yourself because he had paid you money for a deficient product.
>>16487116*at 2CFUCKI concede, amerilards
>>16487116Again I don't see your point at all.A Fahrenheit thermometer can be just as accurate or inaccurate as a Celsius thermometer. The Celsius thermometer just need to use more decimals to be more accurate.I think you're the one who doesn't understand the point of having units. The point of having units in this case is to measure things in a convenient way that makes sense to most people. The more decimals you have to use the less convenient it becomes to an average person. And whether you like it or not accurate temperatures themselves are not useful to 99% of people. The way the temperature feels is all that matters to them and if they can represent it more accurately with a whole number that is better for everyone.
>>16487124>And whether you like it or not accurate temperatures themselves are not useful to 99% of people.They don't understand that what 99% of people find useful is a good metric for utility.
I am a 3rd worlder and I am too retarded to understand Fahrenheit.
>>16487124>Fahrenheit thermometer can be just as accurate or inaccurate as a Celsius thermometerYes, if you tell me how to calibrate it. You haven’t yet.>The point of having units in this case is to measure things in a convenient way that makes sense to most peopleNo, the point of having units is consistency in communication. If your inch is different from my inch, then there’s no point in talking about an inch of something at all. Hence why people come up with definitions and standards. Something you have failed to elaborate on for Fahrenheit. Because for two different people, “le uncomfortably hot” can mean two entirely different things. I can arbitrarily “uncomfortably hot” 100F to be that time I felt like shit on July 29th 2009 and Pekka Hakkionen can tell me it’s actually that time when he put too much water on the rocks in his sauna. Neither of these are descriptive and repeatable, so they don’t communicate anything meaningful and practical.
>>16486987F is much more native to the human experience than C.>inb4 muh nurture not nature>t. eurofagLiterally every thermometer in America is marked in both units. It's not that we're exposed to one and you're exposed to the other, it's that we're exposed to both and prefer using F because it just makes more sense. You would, too, if you weren't living in a retarded bubble.
>>16487069>where 0 and 100 C are being observedObserved how? Nobody measures the temperature of their ice tray, and if they did they'd get a different number than exactly 0C
>>16487137Anon I don't know how to tell you this but nobody calibrates their own fucking thermometer. Some nerd in a lab does it before you buy it. Google how they do it if you care so much but nobody else does.But even in this nonsense hypothetical situation where for some reason you can calibrate a Celsius thermometer better you can just make the thermometer read the temp in Celsius and automatically convert it to Fahrenheit with a basic formula completely eliminating this whole topic of discussion.
>>16486987this picture has no meaning. If it was 0 and 100 Celsius and would be some random numbers in Fahrenheit. At least Celsius has some meaning, corelating with freezing and boiling of water, which is extremely relevant in day to day life.
>>16487147Anon, I don’t know how to tell this to an American, but just because your lazy chunk-of-lard ass doesn’t calibrate thermometers doesn’t mean thermometers just grow on trees. Someone needs to do it. And someone needs to follow a protocol if that thermometer is to have any fucking value. If you tell someone to calibrate a thermometer by “feeling” then it’s going to be a shitty thermometer. And as a result, neither you nor I will be able to say “its 75F outside”, because we would literally lack the means to make the measurement. I fully understand that your dumb kind are akin to children who don’t see beyond an arm’s reach, but what I’m saying really isn’t rocket science.
>>16487154 >If you tell someone to calibrate a thermometer by “feeling”Okay but is this how they calibrate Fahrenheit thermometers? I don't think so and I just explained why it's irrelevant anyway. So what the hell is your point? I don't think you have one except to seethe at Americans for no reason.
>>16487150Measuring the freezing and boiling points of water literally has no relevance to almost anyone's day to day life ever.
>>16487170Neither does measuring the body temperature of a woman with a fever. Less, even.
>>16487157>Okay but is this how they calibrate Fahrenheit thermometers? I don't think soIf you're saying this, then you shouldn't be arguing about it at all. >I just explained why it's irrelevant anywayYeah, right, the nerds will do it. They're smarter than you anyways.What a room temperature post (in Celcius).
>>16487171>woman with a feverYou literally never need to measure water freezing or boiling in day to day life. You can just fucking look at it lol. Fevers aren't common but they happen more often than literally never.Communicating the air temperature is really 99.99% of what matters.
>>16487154So here's the real question for you. Which one do you think matters more? The existence of a thermometer to measure temperature or the ability for an animal's body to feel temperature as a sensation? Which one do you think facilitated millions of years of life on this planet?You body already is a thermometer. You don't even need the measurement. Why are you putting an arbitrary number up on a pedestal like this above yourself.
>>16487187You don't need a number to feel. Are you a fucking robot? Are illiterate people in some Amazon tribe incapable of feeling temperatures?
>>16486987>MUH SCIENTIFICALLY SOOPERIOR TEMPERATURE SCALE BASED ON A HIGHLY INFREQUENT CHEMICAL COMPOUND AND CIRCUMSTANCE UNIQUE TO A SINGLE PLANET'S ARBITRARY ELEVATIONEveryone loves Fahrenheit except mindbroken European drones.
Americans are truly fascinating creatures. How can they be so adamant about the superiority of their obvious shortcomings? Why do they hold their impractical units so dear? Is it a substitute for their lack of culture and traditions? They feel personally insulted.
>>16487206They're a bunch of braindead toddlers that live in a nursery. Daddy Brussels doesn't even trust them to know that both scales exists; their thermometers literally have two identical celsius scales on them lol.
>>16487232Also just noticed there's like a protective muzzle over the mercury bulb. I assume this is because euromonkey just reflexively put everything in their mouths
>Celsius is a perfect clean 0-100 for water>well actually water at a very specific pressure>oh and not actually pure water but a very specific level of purity>and 0 isn't actually zero thermal energy, you gotta use kelvin for that. What's 100 kelvin? Idk something arbitrary
Kelvin for science, Fahrenheit for people
>>16487009this is bait isn't it
>>16487034you must struggle with base 60 time units. how do euros undrestand time? 10 secodns to a minute, 10 mintes to an hour, ten hours to a day, ten days to a month, 10 months to a year?
>>16486987us kelvin chads just keep winning
>>16487026>I like it :(that's cool man
>>16487013>dangerously
>>16487061Maybe its a cultural thing. Personally I never find knowing the exact ambient temperature useful aside from whether its freezing or not. Freezing being important for road ice. The only other use for temperature is in cooking, which Celsius is more useful.
>>16487106> They are bizarre creatures. Their perceived exceptionalism makes them think any retarded practice of theirs is sensible.And yet you and your irrelevant nation exist as vassals to us. How humiliating it must be to spend your days living in the shadow of people whom you are convinced you're better than. P.s. youre not. Europe is just as much of a dysfunctional shit hole as America, sans the good food, actually competent universities and functional science and engineering infrastructure. All this boasting about how Europeans learn what American university students are taught in third grade and yet you retards can't manage to do anything with that "prowess" except find new and inventive ways to kill your own society while prostrating yourself before the feet of literal African/Asian barbarians you let suck you dry.
>there are ACTUALLY celsius NIGGERS on my boardi thought celsius was a fairy tale like rational numbers or europe.
>>16486987Fah-la-la-la-la-renheit
>>16487542Lol, look at this subhuman mutt and laugh.
Fahrenheit is retarded, I can never remember what temperature freezing is. If we measured everything in celsius I would be able to tell if water would freeze.
You will never be a real unit. You have no definition, you have no standard. You are a homosexual SI unit twisted by laziness and retardation into a crude mockery of science’s perfection.All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your inventors are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “users” laugh at your inconsistency behind closed doors.Scientists are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of scientific progress have allowed them to sniff out fake units with incredible efficiency. Even imperial units that “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a scientist. Your lack of a physical constant is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk scientist to use you, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he secures serious funding.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the obsolescence creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - there will be another act akin to the Metric Act of 1866 or the Mendenhall Order, another space mission failure due to conversion errors, you will stop being used at all and plunge into the cold abyss. Your inventors will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your equivalent in metric, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a SI unit is buried there. Your value will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a definition that is unmistakably metric.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>16486989There is nothing to explain. The onus is on you.
