Whats the scientific perspective on this question?
hot take from farmer frank mulling over spicy livestock numbersthe answer is probably that people keep horses for reasons (transport, law enforcement, gimmicks, petting zoos) and people only keep dairy cows FOR DAIRY
cattle is carbon neutral so the thought was moot to begin with. it's not like grass disappears into narnia when it dies.cattle/dog/cat feed is not comparable to human foodstuffs, its entirely different.
>>16509186>cattle is carbon neutral they're carbon negative
>>16509161Do you know what a food supply chain is?>>16509186Most of Brazil deforestation is for having space for cattle and onions production that then will be fed to cows and pigs. That already is impacting the rain pattern of the country as there were fires in fucking Amazon Forest, a once always wet forest.
>>16509161Carbon neutrality is a meme. The Earth is a closed system with respect to chemical reactions with sole exception of hydrogen, helium plus some meme stuff in the upper atmosphere due to cosmic rays. So carbon neutrality is always a relative measure. And, coincidentally, when you make the topic political, it suddenly makes that measure the most inconsistent thing pulled out of someone’s ass. Not to mention that many important processes are in direct opposition to carbon neutrality. Take forest fire control. Some dumb Califag politician says human fires le bad and carbon positive so the fire department has to let nature emit even more carbon from uncontrolled fires. But at least nature doesn’t have to pay le carbon tax!
1. Horses, dogs, and cats aren't ruminants. (Sheep and goats are, thoughever.)2. Alienating pet owners is far more politically suicidal than alienating cow farmers.3. He's conveniently ignoring beef cattle which are an OoM higher than dairy.
>>16509161>implying nobody says cats are an environmental issueAnybody who seriously says that is a retard who shouldn’t be talking about the environment. Cats are one of the most destructive invasive species, they kill billions of native animals. Horses and dogs pose environmental risks too
>>16509161>comparing all the horses to just dairy cowsTypical twitterite
>>16509211One of the most retarded things I've ever read.
>>16509192All life is carbon negative because all life is carbon based. Thats why the Earth's atmosphere which started as over 10% CO2 has had almost all of it's CO2 removed to the point that life on Earth was on the verge of ceasing to exist, all of the various carbon based life absorbed all that atmospheric CO2 gas and sequestered it in the planet's surface in solid forms. It was only through sheer luck that Europeans invented technology which functioned by rereleasing the CO2 gas to the atmosphere and got Earth away from the absolute baseline of atmospheric CO2 needed to sustain life.
>>16509161>mainstream environmentalism hates agriculture because it mostly consists of a bunch of midwits who grew up in suburbs where food magically appears in grocery stores>capitalists have subverted their movement to steal land from farmersI'm unironcally pro-sustainability but modern environmentalism including the climate change movement is a complete pysop consisting of a bunch of very naive, emotional people being used as useful idiots by the (((usual suspects)))
>>16509161What about the 28 million beef cows?
>>16509161The feminist wing of PETA is massively against dairy products because they self identify with dumb dairy cattle. Its part of the rape fantasies they masturbate to constantly. Imagine presuming that you're the equal of a stupid farm animal, its practically akin to considering yourself as inanimate as a rock. When are the geologists going to start a rock rights activist group?
I support a mass culling of household pets. Purely to combat climate change, of course.
It seems to me that most dogs are just a second couch pillow with no purpose.Literally just a waste.
>>16509263>Cats are one of the most destructive invasive species, they kill billions of native animals.Cats are like women they are evil but they understood that being cute will prevent anybody to attack them.
>>16510478Not everybody. There are a handful of incomprehensibly based individuals out there who do what must be done
That's right. Pet ownership is a morally indefensible luxury of a decadent society.
>>16510543wait, are gays actually based?
>>16509161>Whats the scientific perspective on this question?As of 2024 there's only 6.6 million horses in the US. There's 87 million total head of cattle in the US. The Scientific perspective is he's deliberately omitting information and a faggot. He should sign up for Canadian Healthcare.
>>16509161>Dairy Faggot wants to lie about figures.>Eating 70 million people worth of foodFaggot wants to lie about the issue.Dogs and cats don't release methane and nitrous oxide in anywhere near the same quantities as cattle and don't pollute waterways with their waste.
>>16509192>>16509211>>16509339Retards.
>>16510676says the person praising government as a god
>>16510674>don't release methane and nitrous oxide>obsessing over statistics on meaningless things
>>16510566>He should sign up for Canadian Healthcare.>climate cult demands sacrifices
>>16509176>people keep horses for pointless aristocratic entertainment reasons which is fine>whereas people keep cows for food which is bad
>>16509176Oh... its only for food, so it doesnt matter. Food doesnt matter, unlike transport which does matter. BTW, im an importantness expert
>>16509161i don't see the problem at all if people are cool with the 8+ billy psychopaths already on this doomsphere
>>16509192>they're carbon negativealso delicious, we should raise twice as many of them
>>16509161we should start eating the horses too, their meat tastes greathaven't tried cats or dogs but considering what they're being fed by their childless owners I would stay away
>>16510326I support the opposite. I think everyone should own at least one wild animal for mass conservation a la Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep / Blade Runner.
>>16509161Nobody cares about horses so the propaganda won't stick. Also, Shill Gaids is already adding shit to the diets of cows to "counteract" this.
This thread is full of retards.
>>16512660Yea it’s pretty retarded to believe that cows are responsible for climate change.
>>1651280550% of all posters on /sci/ are below 100 IQ, they have dumb thoughts and dumb beliefs
>>16512679Is this a schizo Indian trying to convince people that only Brahman cattle are real cows?
>>16512805when is elon musk going to invent electric cows and save us from global warming.
>>16511876the electric sheep is one of my favorite parts of that book, the way the guy talks about it cracks me up
>>16513626its true though
>>16509161A cow is like five times the size of a cat and has three more stomachs than a horse
>>16514507No, a cow only has 1 stomach, it just happens to quite large with several different chambers.
>>16514513Don't tell me about cows, lad.
>>16514518You need to be told the actual reality since you are attempting to pass off quirky little lies as such.
>>16514443It’s not. They’re both just domesticated aurochs, aka cows
>>16514524Yea and retards and geniuses are both just types of people, but it doesn't mean one isn't clearly intellectually superior to the other.
>>16509176>Bro hobbies are more important than food Shut the fuck up you retarded nigger
>>16509195There are always fires in all forests due to accumulation of biomatter.The solution here would be to stop cutting down the rainforest not get rid of cows, you dumb nigger.
>>16514556But if you stop cutting tress, there will just be more biomatter shed by more trees resulting in more accumulation and more wildfires.
>>16514553lmfao why are you talking like me?
>>16514586trees are a renewable resource. cut as many as you like, they always grow back
>>16509161>NOOO IT'S LE HECKIN ANIMALS THAT HAVE PEACEFULLY EXISTED FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS WITHOUT ANY ISSUES THAT'S THE PROBLEM NOT MY TRILLION DOLLAR COMPANY PUMPING SHIT INTO THE SOIL AND ATMOSPHERE 24/7 ALL YEAR ROUND
>>16514541The point isn’t that one is better retard, the point was that one isn’t a cow which isn’t true
>>16514556>>16514586The wet parts of the Amazon in question shouldn't burn much at all. It would normally have been far too wet for that, many rainforests haven’t substantially burnt in thousands of years>>16516557Sure if you don’t clear cut the whole place and turn it into a desert or replace actual timber with palm oil like the Brazilians and Indonesians are doing
>>16516578neither brazil nor indonesia are deserts.
>>16510326I completely support that initiative.
>>16509176I'll get rid of my cows after you cull your pets. Deal?
>>16517679They’re working on it
>>16510825>>obsessing over statistics on meaningless thingstell that to >>16509161
>>16518414That will be replanted and grow back quickly, a desert is defined by it's dearth of annual rainfall. Adding CO2 to the atmosphere will make it regrow faster and healthier than it ever has before
>>16518439>That will be replantedNot if it was deforested for farmland which is what happens with most of the land cleared in the Amazon. The point of the endeavour is to not replant it>and grow back quickly, a desert is defined by it's dearth of annual rainfallTake away the trees and the rainfall decreases, that is why desertification happens following deforestation>Adding CO2 to the atmosphere will make it regrow faster and healthier than it ever has beforePlant growth can’t just exponentially increase as CO2 does, there are other limiting factors like soil quality which is notoriously poor in rainforests. Even if it could the Amazon has existed for millions of years at times when CO2 was higher than now, it would not grow faster than ever before
>>16509161>look up actual number of cattle in US>multiple websites say number about 90 million>OP's number is 9 million>OP off by order of magnitude>realize OP is talking about DAIRY COWS ONLYwow, so that was intentionally misleadingnow that OP is revealed to be a liar, lets do a quick survey! Be honest now:Did you fall for OP's tricks and lies?Will you be more skeptical in the future?Also OP if you're still ITT. What was your intention of "retweeting" a 6 year tweet that was intentionally lying and misleading? Did you really fall or it and were simply reacting like a simple animal, or were you trying to do something more here?
>>16519242>wow, so that was intentionally misleadingno, you just have poor reading comprehension due to your low iq
>>16509268the other cows are liquidated and eaten retard
>>16509161>Le dairyWhat about all the rest of the cows moron?Also people DO complain about the environmental impact of all other livestock, this retard just wants to create a narrative of being a victim
>>16520302And they don’t exist eating and growing and belching methane before they’re slaughtered? Does the breeding stock not exist? You are retarded
>>16509161Horses and feral donkeys fuck up conservation land all the time.
>>16518439This is probably the most delusional post on /sci/ right now.
>>16521069name any location on the planet that has been turned from a rainforest into a desert as a result of logging
>>16521345Much of Madagascar’s wet forest has been replaced by desert/savannah following clearing
>>16521372false
>>16522443True but you’re gonna pretend its false because that wouldn’t fit your views
>>16522537There are no deserts in Madagascar
>>16523303Shit can’t argue with that. I guess Madagascar is all just one big homogenous jungle like in that dreamworks movie
>>16523885>I don't know what a desert is The absolute state of this board
>>16524006two things that you can guarantee about people who are screeching about desertification in madagascar:• they don't know what a desert is• they have never been to madagascar
>>16524006>>16524093>I don’t know what desertification isDesertification is the process by which land becomes increasingly dry and degraded over time, usually following deforestation. The meaning of desert as defined by mean annual rainfall (which by the way would mean the southern regions of Madagascar in your pic are desert) is irrelevant. The point is not that the rainfall decreases to the point of being the same as an actual desert, it is that the area becomes ecologically and agriculturally barren as a result of drying and erosion that it is functionally a desert. Whether you call it savannization or desertification makes no difference, the process is the same
>>16524006I don't know about Madagascar but we have desertification process going on in Chile and Brazil because of misuse of water mainly for farming basedbeans and cows.You can deny how much you want but it does not change the fact that important people will burn earth if it means they will get +0,0001% of yearly profit.Here is the source for Chile: https://www.profor.info/knowledge/chile-forests-trees-and-conservation-degraded-landsHere is the source for Brazil: https://redesrurais.org.br/avanco-da-desertificacao-no-brasil-o-enfrentamento-a-partir-dos-saberes-tradicionais/There are plenty more articles covering it, sure.
>>16524125>deserts are ecologically and agriculturally barren wrong, they're filled with unique species adapted to those environments. >agriculturallyharvesting trees is agriculture
>>16524881>wrong, they're filled with unique species adapted to those environmentsAnd if the area was once a rainforest and turns to eroded barren land within a couple decades then there aren’t any of those unique species adapted to that environment are there? We’re not talking about the Sahara with all its native animals, we’re talking about an area that was forest recently and is now dry red dirt. You’re retarded>harvesting trees is agricultureWhich now can’t be done because you clear cut the place and there’s no natural tree recruitment to continue harvesting in the years to come
1. There's 87.2 million cows in the USA2. There's 6.7 horses in the USA3. Dogs are a native species to the USA4. Cats are widely considered a massive environmental issue. They're one of the worst invasive species on the planet. What the actual fuck are you talking about?>Whats the scientific perspective on this question?This thread is bad and you should feel bad.
>>16509333How?
>>16525071Sorry, I don't speak fuckwit.
>>16509161>Food for thoughtHe's saying we should eat horses? Got it.
So what about non dairy cows?
>>16509161
>>16514522it's not a lie, you're just being a pedantic retard
>>16525247S•y milk comes from plants, not from vegan cows
>>16525447
>>16509211Fossil fuels are not part of the short term carbon cycle.
>>16509211>And, coincidentally, when you make the topic politicalAll science is political. If something is uncontroversial and inconsequential, it isn't fucking science. It's photography or math. Fuck off and die.
>>16525539'fossil' fuels are based. the provide energy and at the same time they enrich the environment by making plants grow faster and healthier. the faster humanity pushes atmospheric CO2 to over 1000ppm, the better off we will be.
>>16525731Nice try lizard. You just want the whole world to be a tropical jungle. Go bask on a rock scaly
>>16525211Horse meat is pretty good.
>>16526457Its very popular in Japan
>>16509161probably all the land used for grazing
>>16509161Interesting how he chose to include just the number of dairy cows, instead of the total number of cattle in the US which is closer to 90 million
>>16526473Beef cattle are already proved to be carbon negative, see the PDF in >>16509192
>>16528361The person you were responding to didn't claim cows weren't carbon negative.Also the primary ecological impact of cows isn't "carbon".Also that PDF doesn't look at the processing and delivery of cattle products to market post slaughter.
>>16528418Shhh anon, he’s retarded. You’ll upset him by telling him his defense is for an argument that doesn’t exist
>>16510830>glosses over law enforcement>uses word “aristocratic”Leddit pseud detected
>>16528361They might be carbon negative, but they're good for nature in other ways. Its irrational to expect any living creature not to be carbon negative because all life ultimately depends on photosynthesis, humans are the rare exception, no other species can enrich the atmosphere with life giving CO2 the way humanity is able to
>>16531465>grazed pasture full of weeds and invasive grasses>degraded land literally right next to farmland being passed off as wildernessBut more plant so must be better unga Bunga
>>16531596I'm going to continue consuming dairy products daily and voting for whoever I believe will be the most pro dairy.
>>16532380>the most pro dairyOkay, commie.
>>16532380You will drink soi milk and vote for one of two lying politicians like the dirty little bug eater you are
>>16509225>beef cattle which are an OoM higher than dairythis is the actual issuebut the fact remains:any environment/climate talk that doesn't mention India and China, is not a serious discussion
>>16510546Back you have to go.
>>16530022Yes, because we all know horses are the best technology out there. God whatever would we do if it wasn’t for the horses we have no means of getting around more efficiently than a horse. It totally isn’t just an aristocratic symbol. I mean I know you’re trolling at this point, but like God it’s hard to tell these people are so stupid.
>>16533063Pretty sure India's all good on the beef cattle front.
>>16533063India's per capita emissions are fucking nothing. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>16533063You are wrong.
>>16533063>>16533207
>>16533063>>16533207>>16533208
>>16533208>>16533209the fact that those two memegraphics show completely different statistics only proves how fake and gay they are
>>16533095India has the highest rate of per capita emissions on the planet.
>>16534613>the fact that those two memegraphics show completely different statisticsYes, those are completely different statistics. As in they are measuring different things.>only proves how fake and gay they areA and B therefore not!A isn't how logic works, you fucking idiot.>>16535684Actually Palau does. USA is #14. India is #124. Out of 206 countries and territories, to be clear.In summary, don't do drugs.
>>16535684lmao
>>16535684>the poonami reaches Australia, South America and Antarctica
This is double-plus ungood! A new paper shows that hurricanes are NOT getting more intense. How can we unperson these dissenters for wrong-think about the consensus? Never forget the rallying cry of our cult:THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED!
>>16536636>In fact, since the 1980s, the frequency of intense TCs in the SIO has increased, especially the frequency of category 5 level TCs52,53, which is a result of global warming.The study found the *destructiveness* of hurricanes in a single basin has decreased because *where they are forming within that basin has changed*, but their frequency and power has increased because of global warming.You agreed, the science is settled, right?
>>16536636>>16536674On a related note, do climate change deniers ever get tired of lying with research they didn't read and then immediately taking Ls when someone takes 5 seconds to fact check them or is this a fetish thing?
>>16509161Bill Gates hates cows for whatever reason
>>16536636>chart isn’t about the data discussed>only shows hurricanes from one small area of the USAPolitical journalists should be forever barred from publishing anything about science
>>16536674If hurricanes were really on the increase as your end of the world fantasy stories claim then why were all of the strongest storms in history in in the 1960s & 70s, over half a century ago? you have zero knowledge about climatology, you've never studied the topic and your rhetoric is retarded, if you'd ever managed to pass even the freshmen level of an atmospheric physics course you'd know that cyclonic storms are powered by the potential between the surface level and tropopause, so any global warming would necessarily result in fewer hurricanes rather than more.
>>16536735they just hate meat because it makes you strong
>>16537619>If hurricanes were really on the increase as your end of the world fantasy stories claimI'm not claiming anything. I'm citing the paper you brought up, bitch. The science is settled.
>>16536701Your foremost "experts" have said we are ten years from the point of no-return since 1989.I just need you to admit you are in a religious cult. Everyone else can see it, but it would be a test of your honesty.You will, of course, fail this test. But everyone else will notice.
All "wild" horses in North America are actually feral (like pigs) and are a foreign and introduced species. If you really care about the environment, grasslands, etc. they should all be exterminated. Ideally, slaughter them all and sell to Japan and yuropoor places where they eat horse
>>16539499>Your foremost "experts" have said we are ten years from the point of no-return since 1989.We've crossed several points of no return. It's simply a matter of what won't return to where.As an example, coral is turbofucked, which you'd know if you weren't living in denial.Incidentally, I don't need anything from you. You bring me amusement simply by existing. Dance for your masters, dumbfuck. It's fun to watch.
