>>16516484
That guy sure can program a good sammich.

>>16516484
whats best sandwich making algorithm?

asking for my wife.

Are you supposed to have some sort of social media presence to score a job? I only keep Facebook now because I need it for university purposes, I'll delete it as soon as I graduate. I don't have any other kind of social media. Do I have to make a LinkedIn profile?

>>16517026
It's a red flag for the HR Karens if you don't have some kind of social media presence. Depending on the company, that can be instant death for your application. In more reasonable times, if you had someone in the company to vouch for you, you could bypass most of the HR theatrics but these days it's considered discriminatory for anyone to be able to use connections to get a job. Instead everyone must go through the same HR pipeline where voodoo and astrology are used to determine who to interview.

>>16517053
ok then, guess I'll make a LinkedIn. Thats the only social media I'm willing to have.

>>16517058
I have a LinkedIn and they are turning it into FB now.
Especially the posts by HRs are fucking retarded.
>muh do you ask gap years before hiring new employees
>muh do you give enough holidays to your employees for mental issues
>muh do you give extended parental leaves to your female employees

Is studying to become a quant (researcher, not trader) actually a good idea? Why is the attrition rate so high in these roles? Are the mathematical problems not interesting enough like they claim?

>>16517074
>Why is the attrition rate so high in these roles
Stress and work hours

First liberal arts then computer science. if the trend follows itll be everything so why even bother. Youre making a gamble that 4 years of college will pay off. a gamble with literal money, time and sacrifice.
There is no doubt in my mind that surgery will be automated. Surgeons can have shaky hands robots dont.

>>16517088
Eventually everything will be automated hopefully. But, I still got a few decades before the more specialised jobs can be done by robots or AI.

>>16517074
I am a complete outsider but I'm convinced that these quant researchers are just a front to cover insider trading. Not sure how many are in on the joke.

>>16516484
Kek every comp sci major I know made 100k straight out of college

>>16516484
>https://sciencecareergeneral.neocities.org/
has this been updated in for ever?

>>16517175
if that's true, someone should have blown the whistle by now, so maybe you're wrong. It's not exactly a nascent industry.

>>16517233
>100k
as if that's something to brag about? pretty much any STEM graduate in the bay area starts with that bottomline. it's just enough to afford rent and food.

How do I remove the stench of a dead and putrescing academic career which has saturated my entire image and personality (professional, public, personal and otherwise)? I got a non-academic job but the contrast between what I used to do and what I now do is such that it just serves to highlight my failure.

Whenever I see a former assistant professor as a support engineer at some equipment manufacturing company I'm ordering shit from I get a whiff of failure and crushed dreams and then realize that's basically me as well now. And it's very apparent to the entire world.

Or do I just throw myself into the garbage disposal. It's not even something I'm particularly emotional about, just wondering how long I'm supposed to put up with this, and if it is the rest of my life why wouldn't I just become a full time alcoholic.

>>16517239
It was last updated in June. I have a little bit more to push out soon but I need also input on various fields.
This thread has some useful info on the need for SoMe, especially LinkedIn, that I will add.

t.FAQ Editor

>>16517175
Around here there is a LOT of insider trading, and the authority to check against such thing is carefully selected not to be able to find anything without the details having been posted in the financial news for at least 6 months.
Drugs are very much used and sooner or later the traders crash out on drugs and the mess spills out.
Traders and analysts are supposed to be separated but that is not really working.

>>16517026
Yeah make a LinkedIn. You don't need to post anything just keep your profile (basically your CV) somewhat up to date and have a picture that looks somewhat professional. Also, make it before you graduate and add people in your uni circles before you graduate. On LinkedIn your connections really are not your friends so it doesn't matter if you don't know your connections that well. I wouldn't add random people though, looks weird.

I've got occasional HR stacies telling me to apply for jobs through LinkedIn. Usually not relevant because they have no reading comprehension but one or two were actually interesting. That's stopped since my career took a turn but nonetheless. And I like playing Queens.

>>16517067
I think LinkedIn "influencers" have a decent amount of intentional ragebait just to get engagement. It's one of many issues that come with the algorithms and metrics dictating what content gets promoted.

I guess I understand this game on other platforms, but I genuinely do not know what one gets out of being a big name on LinkedIn.

File: KittenChickenComfy.jpg (69 KB, 530x520)

69 KB JPG

>>16517294
>How do I remove the stench of a dead and putrescing academic career which has saturated my entire image and personality (professional, public, personal and otherwise)?
Zero problem, just get a job in industry or government.
>I got a non-academic job but the contrast between what I used to do and what I now do is such that it just serves to highlight my failure.
It is extremely unlikely that anyone other than you think so. I did a few postdocs and went to industry, never got any negative comments about that, and I also have a few colleagues with a similar ex-academia background as myself. One was a professor of some kind.
>Whenever I see a former assistant professor as a support engineer at some equipment manufacturing company I'm ordering shit from I get a whiff of failure and crushed dreams and then realize that's basically me as well now.
It might be that they wanted decent pay.
>And it's very apparent to the entire world.
Not really. People who never did a PhD have little idea about how academia works.
>Or do I just throw myself into the garbage disposal. It's not even something I'm particularly emotional about, just wondering how long I'm supposed to put up with this, and if it is the rest of my life why wouldn't I just become a full time alcoholic.
That is way too dramatic. Rather think about life as a journey of experiences. Your time in academia has given you a more varied background than those who never tried. You and I were just men in the arena.
Stay comfy.

>>16517294
Until you started mouthing off about it I had no clue so maybe just keep your yap shut, get a freakin job, some hobbies, a bitch, a side bitch, a mortgage and nut up

File: 1717980313264.jpg (335 KB, 1000x1618)

335 KB JPG

after graduating I accidentally started IT work in QA because I thought I'd be paid alot.
but it has taken me away from what I studied which was geomagnetic engineering.

now I make 75k a year and could job hop for 90k but I'd have to keep doing stupid low prestige IT QA work.
QA is the least respected field in corporate.

should I go back for a PhD to get back to geomagnetic engineering?

Just got done with an abhorrent phone interview after getting grilled over having no recent relevant experience.

Any good ways to make shit up for an ME grad 2 years out with no experience in the field since then? I'm thinking of making up a generic 6-9 month long CAD position for any of the random boomer machine shops local to me. They probably don't report to TheWorkNumber but I am horrible at larping on the spot.

>>16517421
>>16517053
>>16517067
when should I make my Linkedin profile? Right before I graduate? Also, what kind of information do I have to keep there. I usually don't include any personal information in my social medias except those that are really necessary.

>>16517398
could you add some more info about going into ML research (non-engineering)?

Thanks for updating the FAQs.

t. non-regular lurker

>>16517421
>what one gets out of being a big name on LinkedIn
sponsorships?

>>16518031
>when should I make my Linkedin profile
Honestly, LinkedIn is kinda useless unless you already have a job. It's used by recruiters trying to poach employees from other firms. Fresh grads getting interviews through LinkedIn is rare because the pool of candidates applying is quite large. You'll have better chances through your uni connections or career fairs.

> usually don't include any personal information in my social medias except those that are really necessary.
You need to put out any info that you deem worthy putting on a resume.

I started a PhD in physics in August and I regret it. After 3 years out of school, I had forgotten most of what I learned in undergrad and couldn't keep up. I had to drop a class and take an incomplete in another to finish the semester. The worst thing is that I feel dumber than I did at the start. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Should I drop out?

why do people want to major in CS instead of computer engineering?

>>16518084
They think they are going to get a six figure salary and fully remote.

What is the current status of remote work in the STEM iindustry? I've heard most offices have a RTO policy now? Is WFH dead?
I'm kind of bummed. My days in home during lockdown were super productive, and I hoped that once I graduate, I'd get a remote job but that doesn't seem like it'll be possible now.

>>16518035
>could you add some more info about going into ML research (non-engineering)?
I would be happy to do so but I need inputs from others. I am a physicist so ML is a bit outside my own experience.

I got accepted for a 6 month placement at a mixed signal ASIC design company to do my final year uni project with them. Any tips for how to make the most of my time there? I'm also unsure if my project should be a little bit of everything (abstract modelling, layout, simulation, verification, etc) or if I should focus on and go deep into a single area.

I'm fairly certain I eventually want to work in the semiconductor industry but there isn't a specific area I strongly prefer yet.

i am doing a 4 year degree in instrumentation, power electronics and control engineering
do i have any career prospects in countries like japan

>>16518078
Try to talk to your advisor and possibly take a semester or year break before enrolling again. Brush up the undergrad curriculum that seems relevant. It's normal to forget those things if you aren't constantly using it for three years straight.

>>16518084
CpE/EE is much more difficult than CS, for the same or lower pay after graduation.

>>16518112
Mixed-signal jobs require at least a Master's, prefer a PhD. Bachelor's just doesn't give you enough expertise to work in mixed-signal roles unless your role is just to assist another engineer in designing a mundane sub-circuit.

>>16518185
Control and power is a good combination for companies like Honda Japan. They are actively hiring foreign talent.

What can you actually do with a degree in mathematics?

>>16518240
Supposing I also dual majored in computer science

>>16518112
Play golf with the highest level salary slave you could manage.

>>16518238
I'm >>16518112
I'm currently studying towards an integrated MEng, so an undergraduate masters. I've thought about getting a PhD but I'm not sure if I should try and get one ASAP or spend a bit of time working in industry first. What would be a good area to do a PhD in?
I'm not set on working a mixed signal job, that's just where I'm doing my project.

Research in probability. Apply to math or stat departments.

What job can I do in STEM to help fight white supremacy and white normativity?

>>16518368
I know it's not a real question. The snarky answer is that any group leader position in academia will require you to plan in some detail how you will do exactly that at the application stage. Obviously everyone is extremely cynical about this.

The genuine answer is just be black, make it in academia off of merit and reject increased visibility in exchange for being used as a puppet by people who refuse to understand that they're looking down on you.

>>16518249
If you really are interested in working in anything analog / mixed-signal / RF IC designs, investing some time in a PhD is a good idea. When do you decide to do it is a personal choice depending on a lot of personal factors. I would test out the waters for at least a year in the industry to get an idea of problems that require solving before going all in for a PhD.

>What would be a good area to do a PhD in?
Cliche, but, do what interests you. For these types of roles, the industry usually only takes grads from their "target" schools, so try doing a PhD there if you make up your mind.

>>16517053
>it's considered discriminatory for anyone to be able to use connections to get a job. Instead everyone must go through the same HR pipeline where voodoo and astrology are used to determine who to interview.
>the goyim actually think this is how things work

lol

File: sandwich.png (12 KB, 360x299)

12 KB PNG

>>16516484

>>16518238
Can you tell me how good controls will be with ML, especially RL? I never knew much about controls, but I saw a video where a RL trained robot dog did much better in navigation than a normal controls coded dog.
My control course is next semster so I still don't know much about controls.

Research in probability. Apply to math or stat departments?

>>16518824
flip a coin

>>16518744
Advanced control systems uses a lot of ML nowadays, and vice versa too.

Now that o3 is solving research and completion math problems left and right, what does it mean for your careers?
I think going into something applied and multifaceted like robotics might be a good idea at this stage. Initially fancied a career as a quant researcher but not so sure anymore after the latest developments.
What do you all think?

>>16519917
Time to get that MBA I guess

File: 1724446367843998.png (669 KB, 720x697)

669 KB PNG

Anyone involved in metallurgy/archaeometallurgy? What is the job market like

What are some good hobbies? Besides working and plotting ways to kill your enemies?

How do I deal with my mental illness from working in academia? I started in 2018 and finally got out in 2024, so I got a relatively mild dose.

>>16520089
>What are some good hobbies?
Reading good books, study history, learn a new language and visit those countries, or if you prefer something technical, get a ham license and experiment with RF and FPGA. The world is your oyster.
>Besides working and plotting ways to kill your enemies?
One of my favourite books is "The Count of Monte Cristo".

>>16520030
Isn’t that even more stupid? MBAs mostly do the same cookie cutter analyst jobs which would be just as easy to automate.

>>16520146
Too old to learn a trade, might as well be a manager

>>16517484
Got all of those except hobbies. BTW the side bitch thing isn't actually that great the stress cut years off my life.

>>16520146
It is the MBA crowd that decides who to fire and it is safe to assume they will not fire themselves.

File: c27.png (89 KB, 660x574)

89 KB PNG

How do I become a manufacturing engineering manager? I have around 2 years of quality engineering experience (glorified inspector) and my industrial engineering degree.

>>16518185
not sure about your japan question but I'm an EE in the US with 10 yoe as a controls engineer, it's a pretty solid career have fun. Japan obviously has manufacturing so yes I'm sure you'll find something there. Might need to work in your home country first to get some experience and then move. Look up the free book Lessons in Industrial Instrumentation, that is a great resource. RealPars youtube is good for basic beginner knowledge too

>>16520089
what do you like to do? In my spare time I play videogames, read, play music instruments and jam with friends, watch baseball, movies, hike when its warm, go to concerts

>>16520512
well go apply to some factories/end users or OEMs anon

Getting a mathematics degree has been the undoing of me. Why did no one warn me, I'm clearly completely retarded and can't be trusted to make decisions for myself.

Just saw someone with a PhD in probability stuck in postdocs for over 10 years.

>>16521020
That sounds to me like something else is going on (e.g., they are waiting for a position at a very specific place to open up, or they aren't applying to any schools outside of some top-10 list) or something. 10 years as a post doc is an indication that either they've had unbelievably bad luck, or they aren't serious about getting a position somewhere.

>>16521020
>>16521089

I don't think it's necessarily an issue of bad luck or not trying. Simply put, doing too many postdocs makes you radioactive. Most early-career positions and funding sources specify a maximum 2-5 years from PhD graduation for candidates to be considered. Once you hit 5 years of postdoc, you're labeled a loser and your application goes straight into the shredder.

By that point you're probably well into your 30s and living with roommates. What's more, industry won't consider those years as work experience. The thought of joining a company through an entry level position with people 10 years younger than you makes many people desperate to try and force the academic career track.

The guy/gal really should have gotten the hint and withdrawn from academia with at least a modicum of grace like 7 years ago. After a few years of postdoc you should see the writing on the wall.

If you have been in a tenure track position for x years, and you switch universities, are you expected to apply for tenure after the standard 6 years or 6 - x years?

>>16521005
How so
What degree level (Bs/ Ms/ Phd?)

>>16521111
Just like turning 40 in CS apparently
Sucks you just turn unhirable randomly

>retards still throwing their lives away on the soience meme
>in 2024
kek

>>16521216
Fax lol just do finance n make $$$

File: 1567352838176.jpg (203 KB, 700x700)

203 KB JPG

I'm considering taking either Calc 2 and Discrete Math, or Calc 2 and Probability and Stats together. I'll (probably) be taking Physics alongside either of those two choices too--just those three classes. I'm a bit of a mathlet so I don't want to overwhelm myself. What am I in for with either of those two choices?

How retarded would it be of me to take Calc 2, Discrete, and Probability and Stats all at during the same semester (for teh lolz)?

The only reason I'm particularly concerned is because the professor I'm looking to take Calc 2 with goes about teaching the curriculum in a proof-based, rigorous manner. I've been reading through the manuscript of the book he's working on that he uses to teach his class, but only casually, occasionally following along with pencil and paper. I'm relying mainly on Stewart's at the moment. I think I can follow along with how the arguments are presented, but I struggle a bit with the exercises. I don't know if I'm doing any of them right since there are no solutions and doing proofs is new to me.

What even is Discrete Math? Isn't it primarily used by CompSci majors? I don't know if I want to take it. I think it'd be better to take it easy and just take Calc 2, Probability and Stats, and Physics. I just don't want to fail Calc 2 is all.

>tl;dr help a retard pick his classes for the next semester
tfw sent to the back of the bus (waitlist)

>>16521242
>You are wasting your time
>There are no stem jobs
I know. I don't want a job, I just want to study Math with my broskis.

>doing masters
>I found out that I utterly despise academic research
Fkin hell

>>16521283
Try reddit. Seems to be more your speed.

>>16521225
The only tough thing there is Calc 2. You will be fine taking one hard course and five electives like that.

I wound up getting extremely lucky and invited for an interview for my dream program for a PhD. Are there general statistics on the probability of acceptance post-interview in the biological sciences? They're paying for my flight, hotel, food and everything. I'm horrified of getting too excited. The acceptance rate for this program normally is ~6%. Apologies if this is a stupid question.

When I was in 8th grade I had a female science teacher who was probably in her late 20s and was hot.
She had big boobs and I used to just sit in my desk and stare at her boobs the entire class.
I was also autistic so whenever she caught me looking at her boobs I would just continue staring at them unperturbed.
She used to get visibly angry while standing at the front of the class trying to teach but she would never say anything, probably because saying "stop staring at my boobs" to an 8th grader would have been too embarrassing to her self image as le female science teacher.
Over the course of the year she eventually just accepted that I was always going to stare at her boobs and there was nothing she could do about it. She would still notice me staring at them but she no longer got upset.
Looking back I realized that, as an 8th grader, I made my female science teacher accept her existence as a titcow.

>>16521299
Be glad you didn't discover this two years into a PhD.

>>16521409
This is a stupid question, can't you see everyone here is miserable after a STEMcel life of no pussy, no action, no success.

Take your paid flights and hotel rooms and shove them up your ass.

Is a bachelors degree in life science any good to get a high paying job or have I already wasted my life?

>>16521577
Absolutely not. If you don't go to med school life sciences/biology is one of those majors where even a Master's isn't enough if you don't want to spend the rest of your life feeding rats (presuming you even get a job in the field).

i can make sandwiches better than him

>>16521577
You need a PhD and if you are ona group that finds the next block buster medicine, you will be rich.

Getting a math phd was the worst decision of my life.

I have a math major and a "certificate" in CS. Working as a high school math teacher.

I want to move into software.

What should be my move. Can I get a job with just the bachelors, or do I need to get a masters?

I noticed ALL masters CS programs are filled with like 100% Indian dudes. Which is fine, but seems to indicate that Americans don't do these programs.

How then am I supposed to switch into software or data Science?

>>16517053
>these days it's considered discriminatory for anyone to be able to use connections to get a job.
Huh what world do you live in

>>16517408
What kind of drugs are being abused?
>Traders and analysts are supposed to be separated but that is not really working.
What's the point of separating them, aren't they supposed to be working together?

>>16520293
Why do you keep around the side hoe? I thought their purpose was to relieve stress from life/the main hoe, not add to the pile.
And beyond that, what is it about your main that motivated you to get a side?

>>16517512
How'd they grill you?

>>16521814
>which is fine

File: IMG_2431.jpg (171 KB, 448x560)

171 KB JPG

>>16516484
Senior in mech eng here, ive done an internship but don't really know how to proceed career wise from here. I have a pretty below average gpa (3.1) but I think I have a pretty good grasp on things and I'm at a challenging program at a mid tier state school. I'm pretty good at modeling complex systems and I've always done well with projects. I just don't know how to make myself stand out in the market. Any advice would be appreciated

>>16521869
Long story and extremely off topic. Despite my scumbag actions I'm not exactly a smooth operator. I had my reasons but who gives a shit, I'm sure everyone does, it's not worth the words spent typing it. My scientific advice is that if it gets to that point just break it off. Didn't want to do that over whatsapp but would have been better than what I did do. Whatever, I made my bed now I get to eat it.

Locked out of life by my bad undergrad GPA (2.93). Bombed a whole semester because of mental illness. I will never make good money or produce significanr research. Do not even try STEM unless you have a proven high IQ and a clean bill of mental health.

File: 1725943135599835.png (191 KB, 553x474)

191 KB PNG

>>16522161
Nah, I'd win.

>>16522179
Lmao how, good luck getting into a phd program sub 3.6

>>16521864
>What kind of drugs are being abused?
Mostly cocaine, and when trhat is no longer effective, they go for heroine, and next they crash out completely. You can detect residue from cocaine use in the sewer, and there is a lot in the west end.
>>Traders and analysts are supposed to be separated but that is not really working.
>What's the point of separating them, aren't they supposed to be working together?
There is supposed to be an arms length distance so that the analysts work on what is published, while traders often sit oin insider information, such as orders to buy or sell, knowledge that will impact an analysis. Also analyst output can have major impact on share values, so trading on info not yet public can be profitable.
Thus you have to block information flowing both ways until that information is published for everyone to see. Since there is so much money involved you can be sure it leaks.

What is supposed to happen (haha) is that analysts do their work, publishe their conclusions (often behind a paywall but still available in legal terms) and only then should traders act on that. Big finance involves a lot of rather different roles that are closely regulates, such as abalysts, traders, investors and more.

>Advised to sign up for the insurance the state offers to its graduate students
>"it's a good deal, the best you'll get in your life"
>cuts back my stipend down by a quarter
$150 every two weeks down the drain

I really do not understand how the engineer grads in this thread are complaining about muh no jobs. Are you all Jeets with fly by night degree mill degrees?

>>16522304
Low GPA will do it

>>16522307
That mostly matters if you come from a non-elite university.

Does anyone make good money working in analytical chemistry or is it always around 30k-40k

>>16522304
Face it lol STEM jobs are replaced by AI/outsourcing. It's over for STEMcels.

Millennials, for some reason, chose not to do engineering. There is this huge generational gap from my perspective. You have plenty of genX/Boomer engineers in super senior positions with 30+ YOE, and then you have a glut of GenZ GenA noob engineers with zero XP. There are few people in the middle at the 10-15 YOE range to be the buffer between the two that can train the new generation and handle the mid level work that the senior guys are just too busy to deal with. It’s really fucking strange, what happened?

>>16522332
It's not chose there are just no jobs

>>16522332
Boomers refused to retire, that's all

Do not worry haha you can still engineer my sandwich STEMcel

>>16522331
Nah, not at all. Licensed engineers in the US don’t get paid to do design or turn the crank on numbers. They get paid to absorb liability and be the fall guy if shit goes wrong. You can’t sue an AI, you can’t take an AI to court and call them to the carpet if shit goes sideways. AI isn’t going to negotiate scope of work or contract Terms & Conditions and/or know when it’s prudent to try to enforce them. Good example; just because liquidated damages are called out as a clause in the construction contract doesn’t necessarily mean they get enforced. AI will take the letter of the law literally instead of understanding the repercussions of enforcement and using a gentle touch.

Yes, this is a huge part of engineering.

>>16522337
Blabbity blah it will just be one guy using chatGPT to churn out projects and he gets sued if it goes wrong (it wont, AI beats all human elites.) Think that guy will be you?

>>16522338
I already am that guy. Licensed in 7 states. Haven’t touched CAD in 8 years, we farm that out to thirdies because they do it for pennies on the dollar. I just do mark ups in blue beam and kick it back to our brownoid chimps (aka meat bag Chat GPT) in Manila or Mumbai to fix.

Until physical robots exist to go put eyes on shit and make judgment calls exist, my job is very secure. But please, continue to tell me how my industry works.

Is it normal to get an A+ in something you know that you don't know shit about?

>>16522425
No, not at all. You must be one of them savants; you've got an IQ of 6 gorillion. You're one of them smart-ass autistic niggas. Nigga's Einstein 'n sheit, put Hawking in a wheelchair 'n sheit.

>>16522348
Sounds to me like there are no jobs due to outsourcing and AI...

>>16522430
There are plenty of jobs. For some reason this thread is full of turbo shitter autists and/or brownoid JeetChinks. What you are calling AI is a glorified search engine that can’t tackle nuanced problems. The mudskins overseas doing my drafting work can barely understand simple instructions and they are 100x more intuitive than any AI you got.

>>16522425
That just means you are one of those autistic retards who can solve neat little puzzle box problems with closed form solutions but you shit the bed when it comes to actual application.

>>16522331
US patent attorneys are protected since it is illegal to export disclosure about a new patent application without a valid license from the USPTO. And that kills off all attempts to offshore the profession. Most other countries have similar laws.
Patent professionals (not just patent attorneys) experiment with AI and it will change the profession in many ways. So far it looks like new services will be offered, some low end parts will be automated but no jobs are expected to be lost.

>>16522565
You say that but o3 shits on human elites lol

>>16522311
If I were from any Ivy League university or MIT I wouldn't be unemployed fampai

>>16522565
Lmao you just got yours, the few jobs that remain are only for an elite few

>>16522634
It is simply to get good gpa

>>16516484
I got an internship paying $30/hr + $2500/mo for housing. Did I do well?

>>16522633
At a $2000 per query pricepoint

>>16522792
Would unironically be worth it to solve research problems with a flick of a finger

>>16522789
I wish it wasn't the most magical time of the year so I could tell you where to put your 30 dollars an hour

>>16522332
I'm a millenial and this is not true, plenty of us studied engineering. Both due to 2008 and the mid 2010s oil glut there simply wasn't anyone hiring. Because of this a decade later 90% of my graduating class is underemployed, employed in other sectors of the economy or outright unemployed. But many of them are still trying to claw back into engineering, I have a friend who did shit internship tier positions for 5 years before giving up.

Most of them still want to work in engineering and would jump at it given the opportunity. Companies are no willing to take in old and untrained though. Contrary to more jobs opening up, everything is being sold off to China as boomers retire.

I see this first as I'm one of the few people that went on to become a mid level engineering manager.

>>16518185
Brother in Christ you do not want to work in Japan or South Korea. Find a job in the US first to build experience and then ask yourself, do I want to be working 10-25 hours more per week than I already am? You will not even have time to enjoy Japan, and they will likely not accept you as their own in whichever town you land the job in (probably not Tokyo)

>>16522871
so is it good or bad? this is my first internship.

>>16523009
Sounds good. I'd kill you for your internship, although I have had 0 internships so idk.

>>16522598
patent attorney is a gated profession. Not everyone can become it like everyone can become a coder.

Germany has low unemployment, if anyone needs a job go there even though the salary is low.

>>16516484
employed EE's, what are some books/references you actually use on your job, if any?

>>16518243
work for the NSA

>>16518185
No, you actually have to be an experienced professional to work there as a foreigner, and even then they will barely tolerate you. They don't give visas to entry level engineers. Their immigration isn't a completely jewish clown show like the West.
>>16523092
Yeah record low unemployment in the US under Biden too.
>>16523112
None.

>>16523092
I'd rather KMS than learn G*rman

>>16523264
Obviously.
Anyone citing government statistics from a NATOstan country is either delusional or malicious.

Scientifically, how do I learn to channel my ADHD monkey brain? I'm a third-year physics student with kinda shit grades but a lot of good-quality research output. I really struggle with the consistency demanded by classwork (regular homework), despite regularly breaking curves in upper-level and graduate-level coursework. On the flip side, I only do lab work maybe a few weeks a semester but I've put out two JACS papers (one first-author, the other second) since joining my current lab two semesters ago. Crazy productuI've been like this for as long as it's mattered (1600 SAT/2.9 weighted GPA in high school) and I can't get meds for it currently due to healthcare fuckery, so I'm searching for solutions. My rec writers for scholarships have all said my biggest and really only flaw is the fact that I have no endurance whatsoever, and I want to work on this, but I really don't know how...

>>16523387
ADHD is not a real thing.
You're basically saying "I have a disease that makes me want to do fun stuff instead of sitting down and working."
That isn't a "disease" literally everyone feels the same way. You're just a dumb, lazy piece of shit.

>>16523418
The fact that I've tried a wide variety of strategies, environmental changes, etc. is a testament against laziness. At this point in time I don't really do much of anything else. I was very productive when I took a 22-credit semester while holding multiple jobs, and am considerably less so now that I've abandoned a lot of my extraneous responsibilities to focus solely on my studies. In the vast majority of people, you would see the opposite effect.
It's not a matter of interest; I study physics because it's interesting and I'd be dead bored doing anything else. I excel at it when I'm able to get a good flow going but am a dormant student for the remaining 90% of the time.
My question was "how can I be productive and use more of that missing 90%?", which you still haven't answered. Don't bother posting if you're just gonna act like an unhelpful midwit.

>>16523387
>I can't get meds for it currently due to healthcare fuckery, so I'm searching for solutions.
just buy meds from someone with a prescription

>>16523430
Healthcare issues aside, I don't want to become reliant on meds or the person behind them. I'd like to learn to become properly and consistently self-sufficient.

>>16523441
well then consider the meds a short term solution for your productivity while you figure out how to do it without the meds

>professors that spent their life on the subject and retired engineers that have more hamds on experience then I'd been alive are able to admit they were wrong
>Women not even a decade older than me throws a bitch fit when corrected on a subject that's not even her primary area of study
Holy fuck I'm tired of education, I wanna get back on the oilfields

>>16523009
Exactly this >>16523023 I'd give you a beautiful Christmas gift and a glass of eggnog for your internship. I'd fill you full of Christmas cheer.

I never understood Physics, Calculus, or Chemistry on a fundamental or abstract level in high school or college.
I am now 30 and I finally understand a lot of these ideas and it's all I think about.
I didn't understand Calculus so much so that later I came up with a situation where calculus would be needed completely on my own and had no idea that it was what Calculus was for. I think I am a theorycel at heart.

But I already finished Grad School with an MS in Business IT and am into data engineering.
Is there any way for me to change directions?
It's like my brain just wasn't developed enough to put all the pieces together in teens and early 20s.

This thread is legit depressing, read every post. I think I will pray to Jesus today that I am in a tolerable engineering job that pays well. I guess to toss another resume on the misery pile, met a friend with a PhD that has been out of work for awhile. I guess he offically gave up, the other day I went to his place and now all he does is watch ESPN. I tried sitting next to him on couch to post up and he literally said to me with Colin Cowherd on TV "this guy is really good at talking about sports" in some sort of excited way. I literally cringed, checked my watch, then left. Depression is a bitch.

>>16523418
>ADHD is not a real thing.
Someone get this man a Nobel Prize.

>>16523765
Next year we are sending the Indians and the Chinese packing and it will be a lot better. Hang in there.

>>16521873
congrats you're like everyone else. Do some crazy shit or get your hands dirty. People like engis who actually build shit.

>>16523765
>This thread is legit depressing, read every post.
I try to avoid doom-scrolling and instead post things that give us hope.
After I finished two postdoc contracts and went to industry, or at least tried to, I had a lot of probles getting a job. At one point I thought I had gotten myself an advanced degree in unemployability. And here is the thing: it got better and I got a lot of help from a lot of people I didn't know and I finally got a job. So there is hope, there is always a hope, and hope for everyone.
I am on holiday away from home so I don't have my ample motivational folder at hand, otherwise I'd post some.

>>16523765
Sorry, half of the posts are me spazzing out and posting negative stuff for a laugh.

Sriram Gipgup is gonna turn America into Chennai, sorry ameribros

>>16523831
>>16523833
See what I mean, it's mostly just me being a neghead

Redpill me on teaching high school math. I like JKs.

>>16523091
>patent attorney is a gated profession.
I never saw it that way.
There is also work as Examiner in the various patent offices, the USPTO and EPO both pay well.

>>16518240
>>16518243
be replaced by OpenAI o3 / o4

Can you have a career in STEM if you grew up listening to Korn or is the brain damage too severe to overcome?

blatant "open" "AI" astroturfing

>>16516484
God I wish that were me, but I went for software engineering so instead I shuffle around odd warehouse jobs and periods of self imposed unemployment and despair

How long should I expect to grieve my lost career in academia? I am glad I am finally out but I also resent all the people I know that are still in. How do I find purpose or even a hobby? What's next?

>>16524375
Start a business working on a sufficiently hard problem. It does not have the Platonist aesthetic veneer but otherwise scratches many of the same itches. And most disgruntled academics weren't even pursuing research that would feel that different from toiling away at an industry problem anyway.

>>16522645
>elite few

My dude, designing HVAC and plumbing systems is hardly “elite”. You fags all want to be Tony Stark or some shit and work on stuff that’s “cool” when the reality is that most engineering work is mundane nuts n bolts of civilization type stuff like figuring out where the poop goes when you flush the toilet and making sure your house doesn’t catch on fire when you turn the lights on.

>>16524375
Just start a youtube channel and claim any academic title you are missing
>Professor anon
>Doctor anon
Then make videos covering the basics of your field as you are a synonym with the science. Bonus points for triggering schizos by bashing their unhinged videos for normalfags.

>>16524410
And yet it requires you to basically have Tony Stark tier qualifications now
Credential inflation's a bitch

>>16524416
>have a GPA above 3.0
>don’t go to a degree mill shitter school
>get at least one internship/part time gig doing literally anything remotely engineering related
>take the FE in senior year

Whoaaaaaaa! Superstar requirements indeed.

>>16524462
>be in competition with a billion chink and poojeet cheaters for jobs in your own country
Whoa, talk about privileged.

>>16524468
JeetChinks can’t get licensed in the US with their phoney bologna JeetChink degrees from ChingChong Pram Deep University. If you weren’t some tech shitter code monkey you’d know how good the protections are for the profession.

File: jeet resume fraud.png (47 KB, 611x545)

47 KB PNG

>>16524471
Apparently its much, much easier for jeets and chinks to get a job because they lie massively on their resumes about work experience in their home countries and the HR departments that they're lying to have no way of confirming or denying the lies so they just give the jeets and chinks the benefit of the doubt apparently.
So whats to stop me from lying about having massive work experience in a foreign country where any normal HR department wouldn't be able to tell if I'm lying or not?

>>16524601
Anything requiring licensure through NCEES? No JeetChinks.

Anything in the defense industry? lol yeah, no Jeetchinks.

The only place Jeetchinks are able to get a foot hold is in software and certain parts of tech because you stupid nerds never bothered to do any protectionism. And let me clarify, they aren’t getting paid any less, they are getting paid the same as an American would. The difference is that Jeetchinks will put up with a ludicrous amount of bullshit from their boss because getting fired means going back to their hellscape of a country.

I care more about titties than I do about science.

>>16524410
>You fags all want to be Tony Stark
>this fag again

>>16522911
>Because of this a decade later 90% of my graduating class is underemployed, employed in other sectors of the economy or outright unemployed
Where the fuck did you go to school?
I went to a flyover state school, the type 4chan elitists would constantly mock, and all of us are employed. We're not making $500k a year at FAGMAN or whatever but we all have decent middle class Fortune 500 engineering jobs.

>>16524601
3rd worlders aren't as dumb as Westerners, they just won't hire you because you aren't one of them. Simple as.

>>16524611
>Anything requiring licensure through NCEES? No JeetChinks.
>Anything in the defense industry? lol yeah, no Jeetchinks.
You redditors regurgitate this shit over and over, you're always decades late to the problem. There has been such an avalanche of "JeetChinks" for so long now that tons of them have citizenship.

>working on grad school applications
>scrambling for the documents and the cover letter for one with a deadline that said 01/04/2025
>my dumbass thought it was January 4th but it was actually April 1st
I should've known. It's in the EU after all
Reminder to double check your date formats, friends

>>16524670
I hate am*rican units and date format so much you wouldn't believe

>>16524676
Why on Earth did you think anyone would care?

>>16517026
I don't have a LinkedIn and I landed an internship that led to an $84k starting salary job. YMMV.

>>16517088
>Surgeons can have shaky hands robots dont.
I swear /sci/ is the stupidest board. Robots are built, calibrated and maintained by humans, who are famously fallible. You're never getting scifi automaton perfection, just look at the nonsense going on with our species' most advanced AIs.

>>16517483
looks like a pineapple mango avocado from the thumbnail lol

>>16516484
What is /scg/'s take on Musk's assertion that westerners should be denied employment in the tech sector so he can employ inexpensive subcontinental indentured servants instead of western university graduates?

>>16524841
Kind of based. I love when oligarchs take massive shits on Westoid faggots. Your populations have been degenerate disgusting dirtbags for decades and now the chickens are coming home to roost. Enjoy your failing countries, I look forward to getting high quality drone footage of Westoids slaughtering each other while they fight for the last can of green beans at a bombed out Walmart.

File: pajeetopoly.jpg (1.13 MB, 1170x1169)

1.13 MB JPG

>>16524859

>>16524862
You asked for my take and that's what you got. I don't know what your response is supposed to signify. You're vaguely racist against Indians. Ok, so what? The implosion of the West is well-deserved and a long time in the making. Get fucked.

>>16524621
Because you're a boomer, you're the last gen to have opportunities before you yourself pulled up the ladder

>>16524770
you mean them kicking human pros up and down the street
face it you're coping

>>16524841
I always knew he was an Anti-White pos, doesn't change my assessment of that welfare queen at all.

>>16524375
>How long should I expect to grieve my lost career in academia?
About 5 seconds is fine.
>I am glad I am finally out but I also resent all the people I know that are still in.
Why? I had a look through LinkedIn at the people I knew from my time in academia. Some who stayed on are professors but few have really achieved much.
> How do I find purpose or even a hobby? What's next?
Well, what is the meaning of life? For me it is to experience new things, it may be somthing else for you. And you might want to make sure your hobby is not the same as your job, a hobbby is meant to provide some relief and distraction.

>>16524841
I'd like to see this in context. For all I know he might have meant whites should be employers not employees.

>>16525116
Lol, no he did not. He's advocating for more h1bs which is in his interests. Get a fucking clue man

>>16525116
Why would Elon say that? He isn't a white supremacist.

>>16525117
As I said, I'd like to see the context. Got a link?

>>16525121
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1872457740955918750

Couldn't do a minute of googling? Maybe an Indian SHOULD take your job, jesus Christ.

File: GfrZDZIWIAAkWPy.jpg (214 KB, 1320x1499)

214 KB JPG

>>16525141
The account ratioing him is now gone btw... Interesting...

>>16525118
It was a counter example, about the lack of context.

>>16525141
I did check his feed and I could not find him claiming what you claimed he did.

>>16525153
Hey no refunds pal. Or should I say, paljeet

>>16525155
>Hey no refunds pal.
And here I wanted my 5 minutes back
> Or should I say, paljeet
Hardly. I have never even been there.

>>16525213
Don't worry it's about to come to you.

>>16525142
>Think of this like a pro sports team: if you want your TEAM to win the championship, you need to recruit the top talent wherever they may be.
This is why I don't gaf about pro sports. The people on the team have absolutely no connection with the people in the area. If foreigners are hired, the "TEAM" has nothing to do with me.

>>16525142
Yeah they've been cracking down on antisemites since the end of the election.

>>16525142
>Announcing that he's laying off the entire american tech sector
>on christmas
He's doing it deliberately isn't he

>>16525452
>Extrapolating wildly beyond all reason
This too is deliberate.

File: xeet.jpg (101 KB, 993x430)

101 KB JPG

musk is really taking it on the chin over his advocacy for immigration, everyone on xitter hates him now. all the people who would've supported his call for mass immigration mostly left for different social media websites

>>16525495
He doesn't care, this was the endgame all along. who do you think is helping with his stupid financial decision to buy twitter?

What's the best indian online MSc CS degree?

>>16525555
>indian online MSc CS degree
just print your own diploma, it will be worth the same

>>16522304
I honestly don't know, is everyone just applying at super big companies right out of uni that reject them instead of going for a smaller firm to get some years' experience then aim for bigger ones?

File: Screenshot_20241228-104354.png (183 KB, 1080x769)

183 KB PNG

Your based right wing oligarch sir...

>>16526132
Kino, can't wait to move from Canada to the US when I'm done my PhD just like he did.

going into coastal engineering with my civil engineering degree, seems like a comfy field

>>16526151
Shut the fuck up moron

Hello, I am from India.

What are some other good things to pursue for more letters after my name? Right now I have PE, I'm working on PMP, I don't know what other big certificates and shit I can get to fluff my linked in. PE and PMP seem to be the ones that truly matter. I guess business school would be nice but I dont know if I want to spend the money for that

>>16526360
PhD

>>16526373
fair, ya I'm not going back for that

I think for electrical those are really the only ones that matter based on some research, without just making my email signature look comical to anyone that sees it

>31
>Been retail wagie for the past decade after fucking up in college
>Spent the past 2 years going to a tech school for it
>Got a whole bunch of Certificates in Networking/Security/etc
>6 months on and cant get a fucking bottom of the barrel helpdesk job or anything

Should I just kms at this point? I’ve had people look at and tweak my resume but I still get zero call backs. None of my classmates have gotten jobs either and the covid IT bubble has apparently long since popped

>>16526383
Have you tried using recruiters? I dont trust them but its another resource

>>16526383
Defense sector? Most jeets can't get in.

Crossposting from math gen:
I have a BA in Math from a pretty chill school. I have been a public school teacher for the past few years but want to go back to grad school to escape the terrible pay and working conditions. My city has good programs in Financial Mathematics.
The furthest I have gone is a few independent study courses in Graph Theory, Topology, and Category Theory. My background in Prob and Stat is severely lacking, which I know is an issue. I am now 27. Is it worth it, or am I just fucked? If the rest of my life is just staying up into the wee hours developing lessons to teach Algebra I and Geometry to kids who can't read or count, I'll be really mad.

>>16526531
I wouldn't recommend it

>>16526555
Why not? I'm curious.
If it's because I'm too old, I know. I have realized however that I can't go on doing what I'm doing.

>>16526560
I did a math PhD. Really struggled with employment afterwords. Still not happy about my role but I make decent money working as a systems engineer.

>>16526577
Sorry to hear that. I realize it's brutal out there; that there's still a teacher shortage while the job market is so brutal should say all that needs to be said about the conditions of my current profession. I have no applied background at all, so my other prospects are slim right now. Maybe it's naive escapism to think going back to school or "upskilling" would solve anything.

>Interests
>Math, porn, computing, technology, girls.
literally me

>>16526577
whats a systems engineer

>>16526583
Its not too late to swap but you need to start putting in the work now

You will need to take a "Jr" position for whatever math degrees get jobs for , but the sooner you do it the better because it may be a salary decrease short term


One thing that can't be taken from you is the teaching experience, you always have that to fall back on, but its not impossible to switch careers without going back to school. Just need to start putting in the work on resume, linkedin, applying to jobs etc.

>>16526955
"Any white male he knew in college can't get jobs either" is how you know this is 100% made up lol , its too on the nose

File: 1734399620513960.png (193 KB, 500x612)

193 KB PNG

How do you guys deal with impostor syndrome? I'm a phd student and always feel like I can do better, even though I'm doing just fine, which leaves me feeling dissatisfied.

>>16526383
Male equivalent of prostitution is your best bet.
https://www.airforce.com/careers/intelligence
https://www.spaceforce.com/career-finder

>>16526971
It never really goes away, anon. I've published, I've gotten grants, spoken in front of government panels, been an invited speaker at conferences... and I still can't shake the feeling like I'm not getting anything done, don't deserve to be here, and that everyone who compliments me or comes to me for advice is just humoring me.

>>16527007
you have no tangible accomplishments and have achieved nothing and done nothing thats of any use, thats why its so obvious that you're an impostor. the fact that you cite your vanity publications in the replication crisis journals as evidence of achievement only proves that you have no accomplishments of any legitimate value to boast about.

>>16527003
Honestly Intel/spaceforce looks pretty sick but getting into ots is actually difficult

>>16526971
You should always feel like you need to be better, the trick is to channel that anxiety into positive/productive avenues.

File: 1735300342489441.jpg (8 KB, 209x241)

8 KB JPG

>>16527007
So it seems...
>>16527027
I've given it some thought after making my post and came to your exact conclusion. I usually channel my anger into productivity but these feelings are more slippery. I'll live.

>>16526743
Thank you for the clarity.
I am willing to take a near-term pay cut in order to get out of education for the moment. It probably will not even hit so hard, because teachers are tacitly expected to self-finance much of their classrooms and work considerable unpaid overtime. I spend hundreds on supplies per month and effectively work from 7am to 9pm every day when writing lesson plans, modifying them for particular kids, grading papers, and contacting families are all factored in. All this and I'm paid significantly less than the average retail manager. It's a noble and rewarding profession, but it's such a scam.

>>16527120
Another thing

to leverage the experience you already got,have you looked into traveling up the education ladder and going for likeoffice staff, principal etc? I dont know how difficult that is but its not like you are just stuck being a teacher in an education environment

>>16527026
Plenty of IT/Cybersecurity oriented enlisted positions as well. Just make sure the recruiter doesn't fuck you over.

>>16527128
I have no interest in being admin. That would entail more costly schooling and another licensing process, even longer and stricter than the last one. I could go into curriculum development and get paid twice as much to do half of my current duties, but that too has little room for advancement and is getting oversaturated. The main thing is to be somewhere I'm properly intellectually challenged and less abused.

File: 1731690805324764.gif (2.04 MB, 450x219)

2.04 MB GIF

>>16527047
Based, good luck to you anon

>>16527138
i would never enlist. it seems like a shit quality of life.
i would consider doing ots but i don't think i could get in.

>>16516484
so do I just drop out of the mechanical engineering program now due to the H1B thing? Thinking about pivoting to physics

>>16527359
This will lead to a tightening of the H1B program if anything, if you look at trump term 1 he had way more H1B refusals than now, they will probably reform the program to be more what it's intended to be.

File: Resume_4-2.pdf (73 KB, PDF)

73 KB PDF

Can I get some advice on my resume?

>>16527525
Good to see you got a job. Your resume is very concise. That's generally a good thing but parts of it are maybe too concise. The level of description for our 2018 and prior experences at least says what you did and what tools you used to do it.

Whereas just writing "instructor" or even "visiting assistant professor" doesn't really tell much about what it is this role actually entailed, both are fairly vague job titles anyway. The student teacher part having a random sentence in Swedish when the resume otherwise is in English is also a bit odd.

>>16527007
>I've published, I've gotten grants, spoken in front of government panels, been an invited speaker at conferences

Hate to be a hater, but I knew (worked with) a guy who is currently tenure track at a very good university, definitely did all of that and definitely was severely underwhelming in terms of actual scientific knowledge and ability.

I also feel like a fraud but that's because I am basically a fraud.

>>16527525
Put a cover letter on with a photograph of some poojeet. Sit back and watch the interviews pile up.
Tell them phone only because you live far away. During interview scream and talk in a thick accent.
Get hired and come in like a civil white guy.

>>16527525
I wondered how you were doing, glad to see you got a job. Well done, anon.

Is EB1-B only for academic research roles, or also for industry research roles?

File: erfrgrgt.png (121 KB, 1630x751)

121 KB PNG

>>16527694

Industry research seems to count for this as well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/USCIS/comments/1b6xbuf/eb1b_approved_researcher/

File: wmtm.png (615 KB, 1304x1580)

615 KB PNG

>>16516484

Is traditional engineering (MechE, EE) as impacted by the H1B shit as tech is?

I've heard from recent grads I know that most American tech companies are like 90% Indian now. Is that true in MechE? Will they start to flood that now that the demand for CS has dried up?

>>16527718
>I've heard from recent grads I know that most American tech companies are like 90% Indian now

The recent grads you know are retarded because that statistic is insane and you are a rube if you believe it

File: 1000005623.jpg (164 KB, 1320x1441)

164 KB JPG

>>16516484
I burnt two years of my life studying literature for law school. now I am switching to either aerospace or computer engineering - and I have to finish within two years (summer courses, loading credits. I don't want to be two years behind everyone else and I'll die on that hill). if I can't make this happen I'm going to join the Marines and blow myself up in a conflict somewhere. any advice? I know nothing about math also

>>16527725
I shouldn't say the companies are 90% Indian, but the software engineering roles basically are

Plenty of stories of Indian manager and all Indian H1B coworkers on a new grad's software team

The statistic is 40% of all software engineers in the US are foreign born, probably much higher in BigTech with Amazon alone accounting for 13k of this year's 85k H1B visas

Don't be a reality denier

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/foreign-born-stem-workers-united-states#:~:text=In%202019%2C%20there%20were%20647%2C000,and%20math%20category%20in%202019.

File: anime-nichijou.gif (27 KB, 220x242)

27 KB GIF

>northern Europe
>be me
>28
>gonna graduate with an msc in EE and a shit gpa when I turn 29
>took 9 years, 1y for military service, 3 years because of corona bullshit + depression + fucking up my major + general laziness
>zero job experience
How fucked am I? I straight up neeted for so many years until I got hit the time limit on my studies and had to wrap things up. 9 years for msc without experience is straight up dogshit so I think I'm kinda screwed for life here. My uni wasn't that great either, top 400 max on QS

Am I unemployable? Should I start 3D printing tasers for local gangs?

>>16527745
>I shouldn't say
>basically
>Plenty of stories
>probably
>
>
>
>Don't be a reality denier

Stellar.

Is this entire website a demoralization psyop

>>16527746
how are you no in massive amounts of debt

>>16527763
>northern Europe

File: fortypercent.jpg (378 KB, 1890x1260)

378 KB JPG

>>16527750
I noticed that you're not disputing any of the stats I provided

>>16527768

Sure, we've gone from "most American tech companies are like 90% Indian" to "40% of tech workers in Seattle are foreign-born". I'll believe the latter, you were immediately called out for your bullshit on the former.

>be western European
>study electronic engineering (with bad grades)
>finish after 3 years (1 military and 1 year another degree that didnt fit)
>be 23
>get an internship in chip development in one of the biggest semiconductor companies of the world
>start a masters degree in chip design while continue working part time as an intern

Was I just lucky or is the difference between countries really that big?

>>16527770
The graph shows that 71% of engineers in the valley are foreign born. The major tech companies are headquartered in the valley.

You're splitting hairs. You get hired into a bigtech company in SV as a new grad, look to your left, look to your right, and there's gonna be two H1B's.

"Like 90%" is not that far off and if you can't understand a figure of speech maybe you should take a humanities class. Then you might actually find a job

>>16527763
We have no tution but student loans exist and I invested mine in chip stocks. Part of my neeting and joblessness is the comfortable living I've been able to afford thanks to those savvy investments.

>>16527780
I'm just a mediocre fuckup.

>>16527746
lots of places are looking for engineers so you will definitely find something and after you get a couple of years of work experience on your field on your resume most employers are not gonna care about how long you took to finish or what your gpa was

>>16527793
Thanks, I really hope so.

>>16527784
It's one several tech hubs in the US, and the numbers for everywhere else are lower. You explicitly tried to imply this is a nationwide thing, when even in the most curry-infested stinkhole the proportions are way lower than you insinuate. Your own data shows that you're talking out of your ass, and when called out on it you try to argue that basically because of this story you made up it's right anyway.

>>16527795
>major tech hub is mostly foreign
>other major hubs approaching native minorities
>"no I refuse to recognize that this is even a trend because you exaggerated a number once therefore there is no problem at all"
good morning sir

>>16527795
More autistic pedantry and goalpost moving. Don't argue in bad faith and pretend that you don't understand the overall point I was making.

Besides, 71% is not "way lower" than 90%. That data is also out of date. By now, the figure is likely 90% in the valley. It's just that the system is so corrupt that it's almost impossible to obtain recent data on this.

>>16527803
>I've heard from recent grads I know that most American tech companies are like 90% Indian now
>Plenty of stories of Indian manager and all Indian H1B coworkers on a new grad's software team
>You get hired into a bigtech company in SV as a new grad, look to your left, look to your right, and there's gonna be two H1B's.
>That data is also out of date. By now, the figure is likely 90% in the valley

You keep coming up with these scenarios in your own head.

>>16527806
Cope harder. 71% H1B means exactly this.

>You get hired into a bigtech company in SV as a new grad, look to your left, look to your right, and there's gonna be two H1B's.

File: mjkhd.jpg (238 KB, 1170x1915)

238 KB JPG

From 2021 to 2024, approximately
6% of the new jobs added by S&P
100 companies in the U.S. went to
white males.

File: Screenshot_2024-12-29-20-(...).jpg (614 KB, 1080x1859)

614 KB JPG

>>16527857
>source: twitter schizo

File: 1735395800063922.jpg (73 KB, 746x694)

73 KB JPG

How do I get into data science?

>>16527271
4 years where you don't have to worry about housing, food, or any of that and when you get out you'll have 4 years of military IT/Cybersecurity experience and an active security clearance. Yeah it sucks in the short term but in the long run its a valid path to a cushy deskjob. Even better if you can get hired as a federal civilian employee. They get tons of benefits, PTO, and holidays. Maybe you could just join the reserve so you don't have to fully devote 4 years of your life. It's probably worth it when the alternative is flipping burgers or retail until your 70 years old. You could still try to get into OTS too, but that's an even bigger commitment than enlisted. If you're an officer the military can call you back into service at any time for any reason.

File: 1702085685669427.png (221 KB, 500x532)

221 KB PNG

>>16527930
>source: twitter schizo

>>16527718
>>16527718
Nope. Pajeets cannot, I repeat cannot, get a PE license because of their dogshit phoney degree system. Further, all the companies that can mint new PE’s are not techie bullshit and ran by racist white boomers with no neither no need, desire, or justification for H1B-tards.

NCEES isn’t ran by a bunch of corpo retards, it’s ran by predominantly entrenched white male engineers who have a death grip on this little thing in the US we call the AHJ.

I’m gonna laugh so hard at all you tech faggots. CS niggers thought they’d game the system by getting a cheap n easy code monkey degree and my misguided software engineering (legit ones by degree) were somehow convinced that licensure need not be applied in a grand scale for public safety or whatever bullshit the guild cooks up. Reap what you sow, you laughed at people who design toilets and air conditioning systems, who’s laughing now?

>cackles in MEP

>>16528199
tfw PE license holder in multiple states

>>16528199
>calling anything easy as a glorified tradesman

>>16524859
>missing dashes
>random comma
>clunky grammar
>simple vocab
>wrong words
yup, it's low iq esl ressentiment time

>>16528588
>ESL
The average American literally speaks in ebonics. If anything, foreigners probably have better English on average than Americans.

>>16527718
It's not as bad as CS but it's still bad.
>>16528199
Most engineers don't have their PE outside of civils.

>>16527746
If it makes you feel superior to someone, I was also a huge fuck up but even worse than you because I didn't graduate until I was 33 and with $70k of student loan debt.

>>16528732
Power PE chads rise up

i graduated with an electrical engineering degree this year. am i fucked with the tide of indians getting imported?

>>16528798
focus in what

>>16528811
RF

>>16528817
I know nothing about that industry, I'm in power.

Get your FE in prep of a PE in a few years just in case

>>16529053
hows power looking in terms of jeets, out of curiosity?

>>16529065
not many

I've done work in nuclear and like, new construction medium voltage type distribution stuff, its not glamorous stuff and its pretty much the same shit people have been doing for 40+ years but its stable work and with a PE you are a hot commodity

File: Modern Interview Practice.png (843 KB, 994x1021)

843 KB PNG

I've landed a full-time role with a engineering consultancy. I've heard from my friends that these types of places are quite vulnerable in times of economic uncertainty.

What do I have to do to ensure my job security and not be seen as a liability if I am being paid more than my peers?

>>16529065
There are unfortunately a lot of jeets.
I don't know why people keep asking these specific questions "are there jeets in x industry, y industry, z industry"
The answer is yes. All of the above. It doesn't matter what you studied, what industry you work in, or where you get a job. You will encounter jeets. That's literally what happens when your race stops reproducing and your rulers have a preference for replacing you.

>>16529200
what type of consultancy?

>>16529432
A multidisciplinary consultancy that has footprints in many industries. They specialize in engineering design above all else. I sit with the Oil, Gas and Energy team.

Why do you ask?

>>16529460
If you prove you dont just suck resources and go over budget on everything you should be fine, layoffs happen but if you are in a big company that gives you a little insulation, energy isn't going anywhere

unless you guys just fuck up a bunch of projects in a row and lose a ton of work

>>16529465
>If you prove you dont just suck resources and go over budget on everything you should be fine
How do I avoid going over budget? My only experience is with an upstream company and I was advised to always inflate the project budget and schedule since delays is always bound to happen with contractors and manufacturers/suppliers. Sounds like I have less wiggle room as a contractor/consultant.

>>16529487
At the proposal stage ya you want to fluff up the hours estimates etc, thats just normal, but I just mean like, if you are given a task and told "This should take 10 hours" just do what you can to make sure its done on time and in budget without issues. Being dependable and always willing to help more is noticed very quickly by others within the company.

Getting the stink of constantly missing deadlines and or being over budget on every task you get will be hard to get off

Are there really industry jobs where you actually get to publish? I know every big company has a role with "research" in its name, but you're never actually doing any research in it.

>>16529747
I think such jobs exist but they are few and far between, and your observation about job titles with "research" containing no research is on point.

t. "Researcher" doing gimped engineering/design bitchwork

As a PE I will never sign off on another engineers license if they aren’t white. Simple as. And no, there is no law or company policy that can force me to.

>>16529412
lol no. This is patently false. Jeets are almost exclusively invading the software space, and that’s for a simple reason. Code monkeys have no rules, you can do pretty much whatever you want with zero repercussions. Unlike the other engineering disciplines that have to abide by things like OSHA 29 CFR, NFPA, ASHRAE, etc. and once again, Jeets can’t get a PE, which is required by way more than just civil. You have plumbing, electrical, process systems, controls, environmental, mechanical systems. The design of all of which will need a PE stamp by its respective discipline.

Jeets complete disregard and ignorance of safety procedures puts them out of any kind of plant management/facility engineer role because if their boss tells them to go do something explicitly unsafe, they just go do it.

lol defense. This one’s patently obvious why there are no Jeets.


And lastly any kind of field work. Yes, white collar field work exists. Jeets consider anything outdoors to be Dalit tier work and their frail Jeet bodies can’t handle it. Not to mention they’d be surrounded by racist blue collar trades who’d walk all over them.

Thing is, /scg/ is mostly CS nerds who’ve never owned a pair of steel toed boots, so Jeets are all they see.

>>16529913
no anon the west has fallen and it's all over for us fellow white men, best to just give up and not pursue a career in things like science or technology which might pose a threat to enemies of the decadent west, please get demoralized and radicalized to destabilize the society you live in

>>16529913
>Thing is, /scg/ is mostly CS nerds who’ve never owned a pair of steel toed boots,
kek made me laugh

t. EE in construction

>>16527746
I will be 24 when I get my bachelors lol

File: kc says.jpg (760 KB, 2745x1458)

760 KB JPG

Indian scammers will fake IT certifications/degrees, then apply for jobs in the US, pay someone else to take the technical interview(s), get the job and be imported on H1b, then subcontract the job to someone in India for 1/6 of his salary. Often they will pay half their salary to the agency that got them the job too.

>>16530176
You dorks did this to yourselves out of sheer laziness. It was just too cumbersome and a “boomer” way of thinking to put more rigorous certifications/standards in place because you all wanted to skip college and do some fly by night coding bootcamp or some shit and still get a job.

File: resume short redacted.pdf (102 KB, PDF)

102 KB PDF

Please give feedback.

Not actively looking for a new job this instant but keeping my eyes open. The "skills" section is a bit sad.

>>16530255
Whatever jobs seem relevant to you look at the job descriptions and see if there are qualifications or whatever that is common and see how you can reshape those to put under skills but dont make the skills list too big

>>16530255
Broski, as a PhD why would you even have a generic resume? The jobs you’d be up for are going to be super specific.

>>16530272
Thanks, sounds like a good idea. "Whatever jobs seem relevant to you" is difficult, painted myself into a corner career-wise. I guess I'll adapt depending on where I apply.

>>16530285
Had a two-page CV and 90% of it was useless. Jobs I'm well suited for do not exist. Jobs I'll apply for will be more generic.

Specific compatibility will be determined by interview, still need to send a resume to get there.

>>16530291
Dude, no. You read the job description and tailor your resume to the keywords. You have to relate your knowledge and skills to what they are asking for. Even if you didn’t do the absolute specific thing they are asking for you have probably done something or know something that close enough.

How do you get a PhD at a fucking Ivy and not know this?

>>16530298
Sure, I'll tailor the resume based on where it's sent. Moreover, write a cover letter.

Can't really do that for the purposes of asking generic feedback.

>>16529913
This is not 100% true. I work with a prolific O&G company in a refinery and half of our chemical engineers are Jeets. We also have a technology center (more like cost center) where analysis and modelling are done. Almost every week I could hear my boss banging his table after meeting with them.

There are a few exceptional engineers but most of them sit idly until their bosses start breathing down their neck. Most of the time the reports we requested were copy and pasted from previous years without any changes. They get away with doing little to none by having their boss to cover their fuck-ups.

I do not have any qualms working with Jeets. It's the ones that work behind closed doors (and beneath their bosses desk) in Bangalore that you all should watch out for.

>>16529913
Since you're a complete fucking moron who can't read, I'll just restate the fact again.
>The majority of engineers don't have their PE nor will they ever be required to obtain one.
Also
>muh defense
I literally worked in defense and there were jeets. You know why? Because the US hands out citizenship like candy and the invasion has been going on for decades.
Here is what makes you stupid - you don't have any actual insight, you just repeat things that you have heard others say, which is often wildly out of date.

>>16529953
>I'm going to save le West by getting my bachelor's degree
whew

>>16530255
>Oxford
>Cambridge
>Harvard
I am puzzled you come here for help, your network should at this point be immense. Perhaps the only thing missing is a handful of patent applications, especially since you developend instrumentation.

>>16530608
>your network should at this point be immense
Should be, is not. Partly because of me, partly because PhD/postdoc had unusual circumstances. I have no network since moving countries for the current job.

>the only thing missing is a handful of patent applications, especially since you developend instrumentation
Agreed. Instrumentation is in my current job description, but wasn't part of the PhD, and wasn't the intention for postdoc initially.

>>16530663
You have to go to work on your LinkedIn profile (I hoe you have one) and link in all your fellow students, postdocs and whatmore.

>>16529953
>no anon the west has fallen and it's all over for us fellow white men
That is why I recommend a postdoc in Japan. A good number of my fellow postdocs stayed on in Japan and even got married there.

>>16530707
Got most of the PhD/postdoc contacts added on LinkedIn. Undergrad was too long ago. Better than nothing but not really a proper network. Got some unsolicited but welcome offers there while in the US, not anymore.

>>16530777
I added in a lot of undergrad contacts more tan 10 years after i graduated, it is never too late. And it is interesting to see where everyone ended up.

>>16530539
>The majority of engineers don't have their PE nor will they ever be required to obtain one.
The people without PEs in industries where PEs matter are no better than jeets and shouldn't expect to earn or have the opportunities that PEs have , because they literally cant legally do the work that certain roles require

>>16530255
Uou applied for funding for your own phd? Or did your PI get the funding? Can I put funding my PI got on my resume?

>>16530969
I've marked it a bit awkwardly desu. I got fully funded twice, the other one was something I applied for entirely independently and it was a whole process and quite competitive. The Royal Society bit I should probably axe.

new thread
>>16531157

>>16531157

>>16531157

>>16531157