Why do countries care so much about carbon emissions? Carbon tax, carbon credits... The whole idea of "climate change" itself is excusively about CO2 and the supposed temperature changes it causes, and nothing else.But I think CO2 is the least of our problems. It is completely reversible, just stop it for a while and it will be completely absorbed by the plants. What isn't reversible is the dozens of other ways we are destroying the environment by dumping trash and toxic waste, destroying natural habitats, etc. Just look at some maps of forest area that doesn't exist anymore, do you really think a few extra degrees of temperature is going to destroy more environment area than that? Why do we never hear anything about this? Is there a reason the media and the governments only care about "carbon credits" and other bullshit?
>>16524397>It is completely reversibleThis is false.https://royalsociety.org/news-resources/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-20/
>>16524417Oh, why didn't you post the model they used to reach these figures? How do you know the models are true?
>>16524427I should trust your baseless uneducated accusation that "It is completely reversible, just stop it for a while and it will be completely absorbed by the plants."with no evidence rather than the Royal Society which has links on the bottom of every page leading you to links for where you can ask questions of experts.Right.
>>16524436>i will trust the ruling class to give me accurate information>it is merely a coincidence that the information from the ruling class tells me that granting them as much authority over my autonomy as possible will save the planet
>>16524417It is completely reversible. You use the ocean as a CO2 sink and pull it out of the water (and by proxy of the surface area of the ocean, the atmosphere) with electricity. The Navy figured out how to turn seawater into jet fuel using excess power out put from nuclear powered carriers years ago. Here’s the thing, nobody wants to admit that deliberately fucking about with the composition of the atmosphere could be disastrous because that would essentially prove that all the climate models have glaring flaws in them. Better to think your model is correct rather than take it to its logical conclusion and maybe find out it’s not.
Also, microplastics are good for you.
>>16524417>It is completely reversibleit literally is and happened multiple times basically every ice age
>>16524397CO2 isn't a pollutant, CO2 is good for nature, it makes plants grow faster and better. Enhancing the atmosphere with CO2 should be encouraged.
>>16524605And oxygen is good for us. We should bump the concentration up to 80%
>>16526417If all the planets industry can barely push CO2 from 0.03% to 0.04% then how do you propose to get O2 up to 80%?
>>16524498>I accept expert opinion only when it's convenientOkay smartass. Prove you don't trust "the ruling class" by drinking a gallon of antifreeze. You trust experts so long as it doesn't inconvenience your life. As soon as it does "WAAAAAAAAAAH MUH ATONOMY!!!"
>>16524397Firstly countries do care about the other stuff you mention, most countries have entire ministries dedicated to these issues. You don't notice because you don't care, but that's not the same as countries not caring. The second reason is that climate change is a global problem. If you live next to a river that's polluted thats your problem and you can address that by contacting your local government that can then apply the relevant regulations to clean it up, it doesn't effect me in anyway because my river is clean enough to drink from because I don't live in a shithole. But if you output co2 it's going to cause climate change where I live because we share the same air.
>>16526462why are you posting a fake tweet?>elon musk full of artifacts>text perfectly sharp
>>16526418It was a meme, i was making fun of >>16524605
>>16526417Oxygen is carcinogenic, thats why ppl eat antioxidants
>>16526799Don't soientists themselves claim that at some point the revolution of photosynthesis has caused genocide of most anaerobic life? We need to burn coal faster to reduce amount of free oxygen.
>>16529485>oy vey over six million species died in the anaerobicaust >gibes me dat reparations respirator goyims
>>16524397I've told people, that telling tax collectors about air is bad idea, but they didn't listen.
>>16530943Calling them retards won't make you smarter.
>>16524397Because nobody really gives a shit about the environment. All governments care of is exploit as many natural resources as they can possibly get away with, and in this decade they can't get away with willy-nilly filling the air with carbon because people already called them out for it.This is the same fucking shit as evangelicals who go every sunday to church to become zealous freaks that think saying "I regret sinning lol I accept jesus as my personal savior" washes away all their sin account and are free to sinning again every other day.Carbon points does jackshit. Putting limits to human development, putting limits to human consumption, That's the only thing that can make both the carbon bullshit go down and biodiversity go up. But that goes against GDP and the false idea that buying garbage makes people happier.
>>16531777>willy-nilly filling the air with carbonCO2 is good for nature, adding CO2 to the atmosphere makes plants grow faster and healthier
>>16524397import the third world, become the third world
>>16533354tsmtsaying "willy-nilly filling the air with carbon" as if its bad is like complaining about "willy-nilly filling the ocean with fish" all life is carbon based, the more available co2 there is in the air the better off we are, atmospheric co2 should be 2000ppm at the minimum
>>16524417>>16524436>>16526419LMAO, you are retarded AF.Hopefully you will be unemployed very soon so you will stop doing damage.
>>16524397see anon, I am not a good hairdresser and I also have no interest in training or improving myself in this respect.it makes no sense for me to cut hair or argue about it.so its exactly like you when it comes to climate change.why dont you find topics you are able or willing to understand?
lol no
>>16524397> while and it will be completely absorbed by the plantsWhere do you people get this idea that plants can adsorb infinite C02, plants absorb c02 to build themselves, then they die and rot and release it all again.
if you maxed out all the co2 on earth the earth would turn into venus and thard be the end
>>16524397Why does it have to be one or the other? Why can't environmentalism be about both cleaning up plastic AND reducing carbon emissions? In fact the dichotomy only exists in your mind in reality. Or perhaps you only say this because you don't actually want to see climate change solved, just a thought. You appear to be the only one using other forms of pollution as a diversion.
>>16537255>reducing carbon emissionsThats not good for the environment, life on Earth would come to an end if atmospheric CO2 were reduced to 40% of what it currently is. If atmospheric CO2 were increased to 400% of what it currently is then life on Earth would flourish and be healthier than it has been in over 100 million years
>>16537406>if there were no carbon on the planet life would come to an end>therefor we should collapse civilization by spewing carbon into the atmosphereYou see how that's not an argument against climate change being harmful?
>>16537419CO2 doesn't cause global warming, there is no evidence that it does, you only believe in that because its been spammed at you often enough, you don't have any rational, scientific basis for believing in global warming because you've never studied the relevant fields of physics. If you had you would understand the realities of how CO2 affects atmospheres and you'd be able to run your own calculations and have a legitimate scientific basis for your beliefs instead of "I saw it on CNN and it appeals to me emotionally therefore its true"
>>16524397Carbon is literally the worst. I HATE coal burners.
>>16537624Jupiter has the highest temperatures of any planet in the solar system and Jupiter has no CO2 whatsoever
>>16541000Huh?https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/temperatures-across-our-solar-system/Venus464 CJupiter-166 C
>>16524549This is false:oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/acidification.html
>>16524397>Why do countries care so much about carbon emissions?It's a more functional petrocurrency. Have a little patience, I'm not an economist, but the general idea is one of the historical issues with petrocurrency is they're inherently at odds with the fact that petroleum is only valuable once it's consumed. Hoarding oil in an effort to make it more valuable directly negatively impacts essentially every aspect of the economy. Carbon Credits on the other hand somewhat reverse this process and produces a desired commodifiable oil token because you've money-fied the exhaust or consumption of the oil instead of the oil itself.
>>16524397The reason the media cares about it is because they're just propaganda organizations that exist to shill out government and corporate propaganda. The government and corporations like it because they can use it as an excuse to raise taxes, get more control over you with regulations, and increase profits while steal your wealth away from you.
>>16531425CHINA NUMBA 1
>>16526421Countries first and foremost care about GDP. The purpose of GDP is a measure to attract foreign investment (which ends up being a money sink diverted to the investor) with the purpose to increase the immediate wealth of the ruling class (which they end up syphoning away to foreign luxury markets). The wealth itself comes from exploitation of limited resources and irreversible use of land. Whatever excess wealth remains on the country is distributed and the market readjusts to keep the same quality of life as before while it gradually syphons away the remaining money to that ruling class. This is what countries care about, this is what drives them. This is unsustainable, irresponsible and unethical. People support this because mini ebbs form and individual persons think they can ride the wave and be perpetually favored by it.Those ministries do jackshit about it, they are there to give the government good PR and to decrease the civil unrest. If the government has a GDP grubbing strategy they will sweep the ministry under the rug, and if the ministry protests the minister is fired, simple as that.>IT'S A YOU PROBLEM I am an ant in a sea of retards. I can't solve shit unless you're suggesting terrorism, and I sure as fuck am not going to waste my only life and soul in a measure that will be reverted the next presidential turn.
>>16541070>OY VEY, We in germany have generated so many carbon credits, yes, we are using euro to buy all the China-mined metals and convert them into electrical vehicles! Haha so many carbon credits accumulated I can buy an old growth forest with them and develop it into a polluting shithole. OY VEY I almost run out of Carbon Credits, luckily I can take a Carbon Loan and keep developing land to turn it into shitholes, once the shitholes increase pollution to the next level I can use euro again to buy the China-mined EVs and I'll have MORE CARBON CREDITS THAN BEFORE!Having children and put them through this shit is evil.
>>16524397Psyop to halt the rise of third world nationSee also: Overpopulation
>>16531425china's fault. what a surprise.
>>16524397allows you to assign an inherent cost to people's existence and productivity using a vaguely scientific framework to assign the deity they owe it to as opposed to organized religion. Works the same though.>for exampleHere in Canada, we produce ~1% of the world's CO2 emmisions, but pay insane taxes on it. Everyone with a brain knows it's bullshit, but it's effective at controlling the populace so it has staying power. Canadians are led to believe that their every action including inaction is inherently immoral because it emits CO2, and therefore contributes to the end of the world through "climate change". In order to delay the end of the world, priests and lords are appointed to control how we act in order to reduce our "carbon footprint", which currently means artificially crippling our industries, sacraficing the fruits of our labour to the lords, and foregoing needs and wants in order to appease the unnamed deity of "the climate" that it may grant us... normal weather. When you view this as a mechanism to improve the health of nature, it makes zero sense, but when you view it as a means of stealing money while pacifying the robbed, it's actually pretty damn good at it's job. trudeau and the various other climate priests and lords have made tons of money, they live in four story mansions driving luxury sports cars, drinking expensive champange on their private jets, and living above the law, all on the common worker's dime.
Interesting
>>16524397It's to decouple from fossil fuel producers and to introduce a new market for more grifting/sanctions. You need only see the geopolitical posturing over this and EVs to know it has little to do with the environment or economics, but politics
op, r u stupid or just brown?
>>16524417>climate change isn't reversible even though it reversed a dozen times in the last million years
>>16544670Ah yes. These changes that we've caused over the last couple hundred years don't matter because they would have happened anyways 80,000 years from now.
>>16546565>changes that we've caused over the last couple hundred years don't matterYep. Now fuck off and die, communist scum.
