What's the purpose of a PhD if you need a PhD-level of education before applying?
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>>16538472PhD is basically your job interview for DARPA or corporate America. Otherwise you're wasting your time because some h1b is going to get the job because they will take it for 1/2 the pay while also working like a slave.
They are now ethnic nepotism clubs for chinks and pajeets that exclude Americans
to get into a PhD program, you need 3 things:1) enthusiasm for the field you want to go into2) solid understanding of the relevant basics3) arrange to physically meet with your potential future advisor and discuss a few of their papers that you have readthat will make you more attractive than 99% of applicants. it's that simple.
>>16538472PhD is about produce paper don't about educate yourself, PhD-level education is just the minimum.
>>16538472ITT: OP has accomplished nothing in his life and is envious of those who have.
>>16538506t. boomer
Achievements: cheating with help of relative PhDs. Usage of AI.
>>16538486>1) enthusiasm for the field you want to go into>2) solid understanding of the relevant basicsThese two don't matter at all. Every bachelor with a decent GPA is like this. What you actually need is connections. You can be the smartest kid on the block, but always remember that there's always a Jewish guy who went for a completely unrelated major in his Jewish-majority university and whose father is a professor at the university you're applying to. I'm alluding to Witten, of course.>3) arrange to physically meet with your potential future advisor and discuss a few of their papers that you have readThis is practically impossible in many cases. For example, I applied for a physics PhD expecting to work on theory. Theoretical physicists are notoriously averse to interacting with undergrads. They will only teach grad courses and even hide from experiment grad students outside of office hours. Many of them refuse to even answer undergrad emails inquiring about possible RA positions. Some of it is elitism, some of it is autism, some of it is lack of funding. Regardless, this advice isn't universal.
>>16538472The purpose of a PhD is to become a certified researcher, in order to affiliate yourself with a research institution and work for them. In practice PhD programs are not training programs, maybe once they were but now they're unpaid labor under the pretense of supervision for certification, because of this you are expected to have the knowledge of the trade before applying.
>>16538537So where am I supposed to get this knowledge? From the dumbed down bachelor's programs that cater to 95% of people who just need a piece of paper and leave? What this leads to is nepotism and cronyism, basically what >>16538481 and >>16538517 are saying. There's going to be a massive competitive gap between a kid whose parents are PhDs and an equally bright kid whose parents just don't happen to mingle in the right circles. So that whole inbred ivory tower loses its competitive edge and becomes a circlejerk.
>>16538472>What's the purpose of a PhD if you need a PhD-level of education before applying?There's a clear purpose.PhD programs are low-cost/high-performance programs centered around achieving maximum cost labor efficiency. This is why...1. Institutions hire more PhD candidates than they need, resulting in a massive excess of PhD graduates relative to the market for which PhDs were originally meant. Most prominently in humanities, but it's visible everywhere.Because the market adapts and has to cater to human excess production, some ordinary (non-academic) jobs that very obviously do not require PhD-tier skills (which is mostly centered around "research" skills, read: repetitive lab or stats work) come to demand a PhD diploma, similarly to how a large array of jobs now require people to have Bachelor's degrees despite them being irrelevant for the job.2. Maximum efficiency means that, from an institutional perspective, workers have to be poorly salaried. How do you achieve this? If you don't have the power to force people into this, you go over to the next best option: Tricking people into it. And you trick them into this by presenting them with a false cost-volume-profit analysis which claims that their (four) six years of working below-minimum wage in an abusive 60-hour-week setting will be compensated by an increase in earnings once they got the PhD program. This is NOT true.3. PhD programs will naturally select for those candidatest that have shown maximum labor efficiency, e.g. those who work 12 hours a day consistently six or seven days a week. You find East Asians to be more receptive to that kind of work "philosophy", hence PhD programs tend to be staffed full with East Asians. They draw in people known to be intellectually barren because of their fixation on following authoritative commands. This is also the reason why PhD programs are hotspots for political correctness or any other type of ideology centered around correcting your state of mind.
>>16538541>Where am I supposed to get this knowledgeFlip a few burgers, buy books about statistics, search key articles and buy them to study them, go to your faculty and ask someone to become your mentor, buy them dinner. Get an internship at whatever research center he recommends and pay to work for them. >Boohoo nepotism wahhThat's life. Why the fuck would anyone want to hire a rando when they could help someone they know because they know he needs help or could help you out in the future? Modern society is based on self-interest and buying influence is the only way to get around until you build your own network.
>>16538571>go to your faculty and ask someone to become your mentorI just told you how this is impossible in many subdepartments like theoretical physics.>Why the fuck would anyone want to hire a rando when they could help someone they know because they know he needs help or could help you out in the future?Because that rando may be better at the job. At the end of the day, all that matters to doing actual everyday work is your own ability and not the amount of handjobs you give. That’s why meritocratic societies like Singapore mog their neighbors. That’s also why aristocratic societies tend to degenerate and get outcompeted by meritocratic ones (see the French revolution).
>>16538536the advice is completely universalby not following it, your chances of getting in anywhere are next to none.i met several professors while searching for grad school, but you have to make the effort to contact them, buy a plane ticket, and visit.keep telling yourself that it's how the system is rigged and not your own lack of initiative and shortcomings
>>16538586>you have to buy a ticket to meet a guy who doesn’t respond to your emails and may not have an open position because… you just do okI sent like 20 emails to theory professors across multiple universities. Like 5 of them responded and all the responses were “blah blah no positions open”. I only met my to-be advisor after getting admitted. That guy didn’t respond to my email btw. And I first met him when the university paid for my plane ticket to attend it for a prospective student visit. All it took for me to get admitted was explaining why my undergraduate research work and personal interests aligned with the professor’s field of study.So keep being a tryhard jeet, I’m sure people don’t view you as a doormat with a superiority complex.
>>16538536Why theoretical physics? Are you really interested in a specific branch of it, or just want someone to teach you to be the next Einstein?
>>16538602I have been autistic about math describing the physical world since I was a kid. During my undergraduate work, I got into group theory and got super autistic about it as well. HEP theory (colloquially known as particle physics) felt like the natural choice.
>>16538608So find an experimentalist doing an experiment where you can be "the math guy" and explain data better.
>>16538472What's the point of hiring a PhD student if you're not going to get the most qualified applicants
>>16538619That’s not the kind of math I’m autistic about, anon… And HEP experiment is not what you think it is. 60% of it is group meetings, 35% of it is tinkering with outdated bloated software with no proper documentation and 5% is actual statistical analysis of data. And that analysis always boils down to coming up with a pretty plot to show at your next talk. Not trying to talk down HEP experiment, but I felt completely out of my element in my undergrad HEP experiment group. But when I started doing theory research in grad school, I was just absorbed in reading endless papers, textbooks, thinking about things, the mathematical structure behind them, etc. It’s a whole another world.
>>16538472>What's the purpose of a PhD if you need a PhD-level of education before applying?They're talking about a PhD at a top-tier university. Most PhD candidates at any given random state school will not be at the same level (although some might be). A good PhD is really more like an apprenticeship and less like education.
>>16538481>t. anti-American demoralization shillIf you're willing to put in the work, you can still succeed. If you're a loser you have nobody to blame but yourself. It's not America or American values that are the problem, it's you. I know you leftypol shills really want us to hate our nation and our fellow countryman, but youre just wasting your own time. Nobody is falling for your doomer propaganda.
>>16538608>HEP theoryfucking lol, that's your problem right thereno wonder you were having a hard time finding people that would talk to youhave fun trying to distinguish yourself in a field where every paper has 1000 authors on itat least with particle physics (not high energy particle physics) there are plenty of actual applications to other fields of science and engineering that actually matter to people
if you actually wanted to break into high energy physics, you absolutely had to make a relationship with a professor as an undergrad at the institution you attended and have done free lab work and/or internships with them to get your foot into the door. they would have sent you to their colleagues at other institution for study if they thought you were worth a damn, which it sounds like you aren't
>>16538671>have fun trying to distinguish yourself in a field where every paper has 1000 authors on itThat's HEP experiment, anon. And experimentalists are perfectly fine talking to prospective undergrads or giving them some easy project for their undergrad honor's thesis. In fact, getting a position in a HEP experiment group as a PhD student is piss easy.>there are plenty of actual applications to other fields of science and engineering that actually matter to peopleDon't care, they don't matter to me. Applications are for enginiggers. Real men do something for the aesthetic of it.>>16538676Once again, you people have no clue what you're on about because you don't distinguish between experiment and theory. Theory doesn't have labs. No theory professor works with undergrads. Undergrads simply don't know enough to do any meaningful work and theory funding is too small for an undergrad RA position anyways. A given theory prof will have 3 PhD students and 1-2 postdocs at a time.
>>16538712sounds like you don't need a PhD then
>>16538472>chink A to chink B: wow chink resume fraud has really advanced in the past decade
>>16538726What the fuck are you on about? I do. I literally described the ins and outs of the whole system to you because I went through it. A lot of the "struggle" of getting admitted and getting the degree has nothing to do with your own abilities and talents. A lot of it is pure luck and your willingness to give handjobs to the person you want to slave for. You can be the perfect fit for a theory professor, but if they already have too many students and not enough funding then so sowwy uwu better luck next time. But then you go through this bullshit and talk to some fellow PhD student who got in because his dad is a professor or a professor's fraternity butt buddy and he does mindless drone work that he doesn't care about in the slightest, then you want to kys because you realize that guy has a higher chance of advancing through the ranks no matter how much you try. There's so much bullshit psychological pressure in academia that has nothing to do with you personally. It's just cutthroat politics and nepotism.
on paper, these are the most qualified PhD students ever. all those impressive achievements, but they produce nothing. no great insights, no groundbreaking research, only incremental improvements that no one cares about. not even their advisors.where is the disconnect?
off topic but I'm finishing up my PhD in July and can't find a job or post doc to survive afterwards so I might kill myself
>>16538735a real man (tm) theorist needs access to only current articles and ideas, not a slip of paper that inflates their ego
>>16538766It doesn’t inflate my ego in the slightest. Everything I’ve written so far should indicate that. It’s a piece of paper with a humiliation ritual attached to it. I’m no longer in academia, but I still do research for my own enjoyment as a hobby.
>>16538658seems like you terribly misunderstand Bezmenov's depiction if demoralization
>>16538486You can easily get into a PhD program through the backdoor.>be me>get into my department's combined MS program>find out you can apply to be an RA to get funding for your MS>liked doing research and advisor let me stay for a PhDThis is not even a shitty no-name program either. It's one of the best research groups in the world for my field.Maybe I just got incredibly lucky
>>16538792one thing i learned from graduate school is that every one's experience is different.i became a lab tech and then a PhD student because they realized i had the chops and the will, but that isn't a common route.still, there is no substitute to actually interacting with the people that gatekeep, as you found out. once that is in hand, it's easy to get into a program, even at a top university
>>16538472These posts are really funny because the authors almost always (wrongly) imply prestige to protect mediocrity.99% of undergrads don't have a publication and I have met my fair share of grad students in their fourth or fifth years who have only one or two. If you have a publication (especially first author in a respectable journal in your field) and some conference presentations/talks by your senior year, you are already in a very comfortable position, regardless of other factors.And I'll be honest, a good chunk of this is luck. Whether there's a PI at your school who's flexible and resourced enough to help you reach your goals is not something you can easily predict. It takes either some rather clever gaming of the system to get what you need most of the time. For me, that was getting a job at my uni's HPC facility and really mastering comp chem software to fill the niche of the one computational grad student in my PI's group. Now, I've been able to get my name on several papers because every DFT calculation we need is done by me. I also pretty much have my name on any new DFT research my prof wants done. I have two first-author (one in JACS) and a smattering of mid author pubs as a result, and I show up to lab maybe 2-3 times a week? Positions like these are not too common but also not rare either, and a lot of the people I've spoken to (at Cal, Northwestern, Stanford) had figured this out and mined it for all it's worth. The rest of them had top-tier (Long, Cava, Kanatzidis, etc.) undergrad advisors whose name alone helped them tremendously, or they had, through summer research programs, already networked extensively at their choice schools. If you're not doing one of these three things you're kind of fucked.
To be clear, the twitter post is about PhDs in ML, which are becoming insanely competitive to get thanks to the hype surrounding it. Neurips now has a track for highschool students (I.e the sons and daughters of people already working in the field.)I work in a research group outside of the US that is starting to change in this way, we have a first year undergrad who had his name on some pretty impressive papers. It's a prestige game and I lost before I even knew I was playing it.
>>16538975ML PhD programs are also way oversaturated w/ MSCS foreigners who P2W their way into high-prestige research, which naturally drives undergrads away.CS as a field is a reeking cesspool, unforch.
>>16538766A real man (tm) theorist still needs to pay the bills. A slip of paper gives you a chance of getting a job that allows you time for research. In this day and age, someone doing it as a hobby is unlikely to produce anything new.
>>16539272>he doesn’t have free time for research skill issue>neweverything I learn is new to me
>>16539287>skill issueI don't have money skills or people skills. If I cared about that I probably wouldn't have spent all the years I did studying in my field.>everything I learn is new to meThat's a great perspective on a hobby, but it's not exactly the image of a real theorist.
>>16539306>it's not exactly the image of a real theoristdon't carecope and seethe
>>16538584Dude nobody gives a shit about the fucking job or whether they are marginally better at it.Employers ask for MINIMUM requirements for the job. They are already satisfied if they hire ANYONE. They have such a big surplus of applicants they can get the luxury of choosing whoever will be more useful to them personally in the long run. This is why more sociable people get the job over an overqualified autist. The autist is worth nothing if he can't bring potential clients to the business on his free time.>Muh singaporeSame fucking shit. You don't live in those shitholes and don't know what life is like in them, you see their pretty propaganda, they have so many people they harass to become qualified enough and choose from the heap to do the drone work. The actual business side of the enterprise works like I told you, same as anywhere else. Meritocracies don't exist in capitalism.
>>16539397Your first paragraph is not applicable to the academia because it’s not a business. And there’s a difference between the most qualified and overqualified. A master bricklayer is the most qualified to lay bricks while a PhD in electrical engineering is overqualified for such a job.
>>16538747>where is the disconnect?The discoveries of reality reached diminishing returns
>>16539401>while a PhD in electrical engineering is overqualified for such a jobThis is a stupid way of saying that we ought to protect some jobs from being swamped with questionable applications by people who have been educated for other jobs. Obviously, someone with a PhD in electrical engineering can't be overqualified for such a job because he doesn't know how to lay bricks in the first place. So, the term "overqualified" is a huge misnomer for the actual state of affairs.
>>16539451So what’s overqualified to you then?
>>16538747They're just jumping through hoops admissions committees arbitrarily came up with to reduce the candidate pool.
>>16539401there's a difference between applying engineering principles to solve a problem, and developing new techniques and characterizing them sufficiently to exhaustively evaluate them
>>16538472You get a funny hat.
>>16539489So? Those are different qualifications.
>>16538536>>16538608You should be taking the "graduate level" (for experimentards, lol) courses starting in like, your second year of undergrad at the latest. They aren't even that different from UG courses. Do CM at the level of Goldstein and E&M at the level of Jackson in your first year, QM at the level of Sakurai and StatMech at the level of Pathria or Kardar in second year, QFT at the level of Peskin or Schwarz and GR at the level of Carroll in your third year, and string theory/CMT/whatever in your fourth year. Basically, the entire "grad" curriculum for experimentards should be your undergrad curriculum in physics. Alongside that you need to learn complex analysis, some functional analysis, representation theory and differential geometry and topology, and maybe some complex geometry too (not mentioning the more basic math stuff). Oh, and be at an elite university too.>waaah it's too hardThis is a field for 3-4 SD outliers. Each year's HEP-th job openings can be filled with ONLY Princeton grads iirc. If you aren't *elite* you are not going to get a job in theory.
>>16539401>academia is not a businessOh sweet summer child. Everyone and their mother go get PhDs to get an edge at job interviews. The program directors would be mad if their only interest in life were the program and not getting any sort of business to the side. Besides you miss my point. What I meant by overqualified is, when choosing among a pool of applicants, there is no need to choose the bestest, most optimal autist in the roster, you will stick with this person so it's best if that person can help you out in other ways, that's why the nepotism you hate so much is the rule.Again you can whine all you want, but you will never make it work. Go ahead start your own meritocratic PhD program, go get some funding and see how much of a retard you are.
theorists that downplay the importance of experimentalists are some of the most unconvincing people i knowfrom personal experience i can't take them seriously on anything, and in turn they rarely if ever produce anything of scientific value
>>16539552>starting in like, your second year of undergrad at the latestevery course in my college explicitly stated that these are graduate-only. And it makes no fucking sense to advertise your course as a graduate one if one is “supposed to” take it in undergrad.>>16539559that’s not what I meant when I said it’s not a business and you know it. Academia lives off of government gibs.
>>16539587You went to a non-elite college then, or were outside the US, I have no idea how things work in Europe. At elite colleges, prereqs are more flexible because actually-elite people go there.>And it makes no fucking sense to advertise your course as a graduate one if one is “supposed to” take it in undergrad.Well, experimental physics and theoretical physics aren't different departments, but there's a big gap in IQ between theorists and experimentalists nowadays. What might be appropriate for an experimentard to learn in grad school, you need to learn in undergrad. What an experimentard can learn in undergrad, you should learn in your spare time in highschool. Slots are almost nonexistent and competition is fierce. There's a decent number of applicants who did more or less the curriculum I described at elite colleges with rec letters from top scholars in the field applying for theory positions in top PhD programs every year. That's just what the bar is nowadays. You need to think of theoretical physics as closer to being a branch of math in terms of competition and IQ expectations.
>>16539578Theory hasn't produced anything of real value (to physics) in decades. They're still smarter than experimentalists, by quite a bit. Theoretical physics is just a stagnant field, and if the competition weren't even more insane theorists would be better off just doing pure mathematics, IMO.
>>16538472Uh, you don't. I got in with a master, a year of industrial experience, and a summer internship. That's it.
>>16539456>So what’s overqualified to you then?Someone who has worked in the same field for several years and has now advanced to a point where 1. he should leave more basic tasks within his field to apprentices or less qualified workers who have yet to master the more basic tasks or 2. who has worked for so many years and mastered his field to a degree that he should be promoted to a more demanding position.It makes, linguistics-wise, no sense to say that some PhD cuck who has majored in philosophy or theoretical physics is "overqualified" for jobs like bricklaying or nursing if the person in question has no understanding of nor experience with such jobs at all. It's just a fancy way of saying that someone, by virtue of having a PhD, should be above doing the dirty work and that is just classism which seems to be a huge thing in academia where there's this whole prestige thing going on with random ABC letters in front of your name and some numbers on your transcript.
>>16539688Points 1 and 2 don’t apply for academia because the work grad students and postdocs do is actual work and not pencil pushing to whore for grants.> It's just a fancy way of saying that someone, by virtue of having a PhD, should be above doing the dirty work and that is just classism which seems to be a huge thing in academia where there's this whole prestige thing going on with random ABC letters in front of your name and some numbers on your transcriptthat I agree with. A job’s a job.
>>16539699>Points 1 and 2 don’t apply for academia because the work grad students and postdocs do is actual work and not pencil pushing to whore for grants.When the entire complex forces you into being "whores for grants"... , I mean no disrespect to any PhD student here, but there are too many issues going on.The fact that all your grants are either federal or come from private industry.The fact that this would technically allow billionaires to buy academicsThe fact that nearly all major universities and academic institutions seem to be deeply imbedded in such schemes. Ever figured why Ivy league universities are hotspots of political correctness, why they are so obsessed with quota or why they went crazy with Covid restrictions?The fact that federal grants are purely self-serving and that state-funded academia produces jackshit since their federal grants aren't going to dry up anyway. Why? Largely because those responsible for signing such grants just so happen to profit from them as well, hence will dodge accountability for how the money is spent. A similar pattern exists between CDC, FDA etc. and pharmaceutical companies which are autonomous self-serving entities. If the organization responsible for overseeing things doesn't actually oversee it, do you think anyone is ever going to bother with someone overseeing the overseers?
>>16539657(same anon) and experimentalists that undervalue theorists aren't (much) better.both theory and experiment mutually benefit each other.just because there hasn't been paradigm shifts in basic science that have rippled through physics recently doesn't mean there aren't plenty of interesting systems that need detailed mathematical analysis to understand. exact solutions for points and planes and spheres and tori only get you so far, but they are far from the only systems that are interesting.
>>16538472Certification.
>>16539714>both theory and experiment mutually benefit each other.Idk what field you're in, but there's a complete disconnect between HEP theory and experiment at the moment. Every experimentalist's talk starts with the obligatory slide on "this is what the theory behind this is" where there's no actual explanation given but a bunch of references to papers instead. And every theory talk is the reverse where the guy would spend 50 minutes taking you through his garbage notation just to put it on an experimentalist's plot and say "yeah this is within experimental bounds so it's heckin valid plz gibs money I'm starving".
>>16539442I don't think so. It seems more like human innovation has come to a halt due to social and psychological factors. Its similar to whatever happened during the Dark Ages. Contrary to what all the woke libs accept as an axiomatic truth, progress is not constant or inevitable. It is highly contingent, unstable, and subject to the influence of social and cultural factors. Certain cultures and moments in history are conducive to great innovation - Enlightenment Europe or Ancient Greece - but others are completely antithetical to philosophical and scientific innovation. The Dark Ages and our current age are both antithetical to the aims of innovation, and are instead conducive to conformity and maintainenence of the status quo. People still this we living in the West or the modern period, but we've entered a new historical age. The West as a cultural entity slowly died out in the decades following WW2. Now we live in the Global Urban Monoculture not the West, and the culture is one of conformity and fanatical devotion to neoliberalism in all of its social, cultural, and economic doctrines. Our dominant culture today is completely incompatible with innovation.
>>16540266Not him but when you have no new particles to be found that weren't predicted 60 years ago, and said particles may not exist at energies realistically achievable by any human experiment in the foreseeable future, these two fields are obviously going to be talking past each other. Every new find that gets people excited ends up being a statistical artifact, or goes away as lattice QCD calculations improve.
>>16538472The only thing you're allowed to be non-elite at going into a PhD program is stats. Everything else you must already be a subject matter expert in or no one is going to even look at you.If you're just doing it for the prestige you can buy a P2W PhD from shit private schools.
>>16540282You don't need new particles and all that to have good communication. Theorists just blatantly tell you that they have no idea how their exotic dark matter portal Higgs superdupersymmetric N=8 Yang-Mills topological field theory in 69 dimensions could be measured because they don't even think about it. And then I witnessed like two PhD students in experiment passing their defenses while failing to answer basic theory questions (I'm talking "which group does the strong interaction correspond to"). What even is a "particle physics" these days? Because neither group is apparently interested in physics, ie describing reality with math. One is just doing amateur math that real mathematicians laugh at while the other are doing amateur programming/engineering/statistics that the professionals in those fields laugh at. What virtue is there in any of this schizophrenic clown show?
>>16539657We've figured out the basic problem of how particles at the highest energies we can achieve scatter off of each other. This problem was solved by theorists in the early 1970s. Theorists need not be continually judged by their progress on this same problem. Instead the community of high energy theorists has largely moved on to studying quantum field theory in general.You probably are not aware of the developments that have been made in high energy theory over the last 50 years, but it includes things like a fairly complete understanding of conformal field theories and integrable field theories, the introduction of higher form symmetries and asymptotic symmetries and so on. This analogous to the theoretical developments in classical physics in the 1800s and early 1900s. Things like the Hamilton-Jacobi formalism or Noether's theorem have nothing to do with experiment, they are building on the theory that already existed (Newtonian physics). If we did not understand classical physics in more depth the development of quantum mechanics probably would have been delayed, and that is perhaps the stage we are at now.
>>16540577>conformal field theoriesonly relevant to condensed matter and strings. I’ve not seen it used in the context of massless fields in general. Feel free to prove me wrong.>higher form symmetriesthis sounds like gibberish to a mathematician. You mean supersymmetry?
>>16540579>only relevant to condensed matter and stringsAnd the relevance to condensed matter is huge.>higher form symmetriesNot supersymmetry. An ordinary symmetry is associated to a conserved charge which is like integrating a charge density over a time slice. If there are D spacetime dimensions the time slice has D-1 dimensions. Higher form symmetries involve manifolds of less than D-1 dimensions. They are relevant for things like the conservation of electric and magnetic flux in EM among other things.
>>16538472When the expectations for work outstrip the job's requirements, grift and nepotism predominateExpel all H1B leeches
>>16540585>And the relevance to condensed matter is huge.Don’t care. Not HEP.>Higher form symmetries involve manifolds of less than D-1 dimensionsI still don’t know what that means. If you’re gonna use fancy math language, then define your terms rigorously. All groups are equal in math. No group is higher than the other. Speaking of communication issues…
America is adopting the Indian/Chinese culture of just lying. Every fucking job application I get these days is 25 year olds claiming 10 years experience, 4.0 GPAs, numerous independent projects, etc...As soon as you go to verify any of it, you realizd they are lying their asses off.
>>16540768are you a man in HR? Do you get pussy?
>>16540768I've heard that this is basically what happens on many software engineering job applications, people can't answer basic coding questions despite listing themselves as knowing multiple languages, listing several personal "projects" and having 4.0 GPA in CS.
>>16540768That's what the market has been pushing for.