>>16543087
Harder than proofreading your OP post on 4chan.

i think it depends on the country, where i live its extremely competitive and you need to have the highest grades in order to get it. where do you live?

>>16543090
USA

For the USA

Depends on your definition of “hard”. I pretty strong believe that you can take a standard shit applicants (2.5ish GPA from a mid school, no MCAT, little to no clinical experience) and in the span of a year get them to an interview invite. Is it hard to balance a summer, fall & spring’s worth of prereq’s, volunteer, work part time as an EMT and sit the MCAT for a score over 505ish? OK yeah, but it’s not as hard as people make it out to be.

A lot of people operate under artificial & frankly backbreaking self imposed limitations.
>I can’t move
>I won’t go to DO
>I don’t like this school
>this school isn’t good <x speciality>
Which is why there are so many who apply for years and years and never get in. Or there’s those who never volunteer and/or can’t articulate in an interview why they want to be a doc, and yes schools outside of the Caribbean are generally just going to give it someone who just wants it more even if they are a worse applicant on paper.

>>16543087
each American MD school has around a 2-5% acceptance rate. Say chances of rejection are 97%. If you apply to 22 schools that's (0.97)^22 = 0.51 chance of getting rejected by EVERY school, 50/50 shot. Most people who get rejected apply to like 4 schools because they are not confident about their app and get cold feet.

All of this is given that you are not an actual retard with a < 3.2 gpa and sub-501 MCAT. There's also DO schools which have like 10% acceptance rates and are even easier pushovers to get into.

>>16543114
and for those of you who spend too much time on SDN or Reddit and think I’m full of shit, here are the stats
>https://www.aamc.org/media/6091/download
That’s for onshore MD. You can imagine the percentage of low stat applicants who get interviews is much higher. Now factor in Caribbean and DO. It’s very achievable.

Is it possible to go to grad school with a crap undergrad GPA, get straight As after having a career, and get into med school? CS/math minor undergrad btw.

>>16543130
I guess I shouldn’t be asking if it’s possible, but more like what are the odds of it being worth spending the time and money on

>>16543130
that is a very common story, yes. Although you still need a non retard MCAT

>>16543135
Test scores aren’t my problem. Main issue in the past was lack of discipline/laziness.

>>16543130
>>16543134
Look you won’t get into a T20 (unless you are black and applying to one of the very few DEI schools left) but if you get a score in the 500’s on the MCAT your chances are assured. The higher the MCAT the better the school.

GPA matters but it doesn’t matter like it used to. The coof gradflation really threw everything out of whack, kids with 2.5’s pre-coof breeze didactic while 3.9’s (from ostensibly very good schools) flunk step 1. You will be judged first on your MCAT even if your GPA is in the 2.00-3.00 range.

>>16543143
Awesome. Sounds like I have a new project. Thanks, anon!

>>16543087
Its proportional to
>whether talent is properly correlated with wealth of the previous generation elites
>how much the elites have squandered their children's potential.

When elites become elite due to a "lucky break",
instead of talent, they have no means to propagate their elite status to their children so the best they can do is help provide resources to their children so they can become doctors.

You can gauge the true domestic economy with how many elites are sending their children to the stable MD road.

If the economy is not supportive of native born Americans, the elites will push them towards the stable medical school pathway and import H1Bs to run the company
but if the economy is supportive of native born Americans, the elites will help their children break into the industry and become the new elites of the new generation.

Of course it also depends on whether the elites truly have talent as well.
If the elites are not truly talented, then their children cannot succeed in their parent's industry even with nepo pulls.

Just look at Bill Gates kids

We have to import the new elites since many Americans cannot compete or settle for the MD lifestyle.

Which makes sense somewhat, a MD in the USA has a salary that is competitive with corporate executives. The path is obvious, it doesn't require raw talent and constantly competing with H1Bs.

Not very. Pull. Don't push.

>Just look at Bill Gates kids

>We have to import the new elites

Fucking lol. You’re onto something buddy. You’re on to something. I’m not sure what it is.

Anyway, Bill Gates was himself the kid of a banking family.

>>16543450
let me simplify it for you.
Upward trend of elites sending kids to medical school.
Medical schools become very competitive.
This signals something is very wrong with the actual economy since elites are competing for same pathways to success as the plebs.
It means social mobility is decreasing or even moving in reverse.

>>16543114
>>16543118
>need 500+ to have a shot
>scoring above 506-509 area doesn't increase your odds much, though
Seems like all the volunteering shit, essays, etc. are weighed heavily.
Is it worth it to do allat doe? I have no idea what to do with my life. My parents wanted me to be a doctor but I don't think I can get in, and I don't know if I can stomach residency. I'd shoot for radiology I think.

Maybe I should study for the MCAT this summer just to see how I score?

>t. 2.5ish GPA from a mid school, no MCAT, little to no clinical experience

>>16543087
I keep getting filtered at the interview stage. My undergrad school has called me up 3/3 cycles (including this one) I have applied.
First time was a disaster.
Second time resulted in waitlist.
After that, I went to grad school (among other crazy shit I'm not sure is safe to bring up in the interview), and am about to graduate, so I'm interviewing again now, years later.

>>16543543
that implies a problem with interviewing and less with your application. Do a million mock interviews, the premed org at my undergrad would hold some a few times a semester for anyone. Learn how to tell these schools what they want to hear instead of saying what you truly think. I fucked up and spoke my mind in an interview question and only afterwards did I realize what I said was selfish and non-altruistic and they rejected me. It was a trap they specifically set up and I fell into it. Don't go too woke either, they can definitely see the insincerity though your teeth.

>>16544479
>I fucked up and spoke my mind in an interview question and only afterwards did I realize what I said was selfish and non-altruistic and they rejected me. It was a trap they specifically set up and I fell into it.
What did you say?

>>16543087
if you are black with a 500 MCAT score which is below 50th percentile you can get in. East asians and whites are fucked. So just be above ~110 FSIQ and praffe the practice tests

>>16544700
>East asians
I'm an Asian in medical school. Just by getting in I know I'm great.

>>16544479
No shit. That's why the first time around was a hilarious failure. They say you regress to the level of your training under extreme stress, well that did it. My "training" at the time was a bunch of business monkeys that thought they were Patrick Bateman and were only familiar with corporate business interviews. Specifically they were my family and coworkers (discord wasn't really a thing for people my age yet).
btw that is the only interview I got. No other schools even bothered to send a rejection letter the second time around. This time at least I had gud enuff stats to get a rejection letter from about half of them.

>>16545391
I forgot to mention my undergrad/current school has no premed org to speak of. I got an interview the first time at some out of state school and they specifically asked me why no committee packet (since they were used to it) and were kind of shocked there was none at my school. This is still the case almost 10 years later. You'd think some enterprising pre-med would have done it by now.

>>16543087
Depends, but it's harder as a general rule. It's not that hard to get into an irrelevant med school in bumfuck nowhere.

Remember this stanford faggot?

No free will

>>16543114
i cant move

>>16543115
that would be true if being accepted was random you fucking mong

If you want to get into a decent school it's a genuine ballache

Just be a NP — they’re replacing docs and are superior anyway since they have a heart of a nurse and brain of a doctor.

>>16543087
Not that hard if you have money or dedication.
But it's waaaay easier than what people make it to look.
Realistically, as long as you follow the procedures and put effort into it, you can do anything you want.

>>16546296
i googled what ballache meaned since it looked like some fucking italian or french word jfc