Or is the universe actually incredibly hostile to life, yet life is also incredibly persistent?
>If my grandmother had wheels, she would have been a bike
>>16560355we don't know, there's not enough data points
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>>16560355we DO know, but there are not enough wheels or bikes yet to make a certain and specific claim
>>16560355The current stage of the universe's evolution is more hospitable to life. I wouldn't call it fine tuned since life appears to be rare and took billions of years to emerge and become complex. The universe was more hostile to life in the past and will become more hostile to life again the future
>>16560355With a sample size of 1 it's kind of hard to say.But you've also gotta remember that we wouldn't be around to observe a universe that isn't at least physically capable of producing life.
>>16560355our planet isn't even fine-tuned for our physical and mental well-being, it's likely that life anywhere else is almost certainly plagued by suffering too
>>16560502>our planet isn't even fine-tuned for our physical and mental well-beingOnly mentally ill urbanites think like this. You got memed into your lifestyle and it made you miserable.
>>16560355That's not what finetuned is referring to.
A world hospitable to life has life within it to observe it. We can also observe places inhospitable to life from places that are hospitable to it. But if there was no place hospitable to life there would be no life to see it.
>>16560374>>16560409What does that mean.
>>16560514>Only mentally ill urbanites think like this.No all the rural retards who break their bodies by the time they hit their mid 30 just trying to sustain themselves also think that and end up so cynical about life they start worshiping some imaginary demon hoping for a reset after life.
>>16560355if we start colonizing space that will prove life is persistent
>>16560355There is no tuning whatsoever. Everything has to be exactly as it is. Every natural law and constant can, in principle, be derived from pure mathematics. Trying to change anything means invalidating part of this universal mathematical structure, which would immediately render the whole thing inconsistent and non-sensical.
>>16561019Cool worldview that renders motion impossible, but it doesn't seem tenable in a time based universe filled with motion.
>>16561029Motion is just an illusion. Past and future are meaningless concepts.
>>16561031Then why didn't you respond with that before I pointed out the flaw in your reasoning, so I didn't have any flaw to point out in the first place?
>>16560355The universe has a tuning mechanism to appears to improve the generation of information.Although there is no model to explain it properly, there have been multiple people ending up wondering why similar structures appear to influence each other at the quantum level.Sheldrake is just the currently famous one, a biologist whose morphic theory you can read about.Even I came to a similar conclusion even before I heard of him. There's definitely some mechanism that makes astronomical chances more likelier, and it's not just bogus magic shit. In the end, the only possible explanation is that similar structures, like neurons, and every single other particle in existence for that matter, are somehow leaking probabilities from other instances of the universe.And for some reason, those instances are not being execute perfectly in parallel, but some are being prioritized. Otherwise it becomes hard to explain.It really feels like there's an intelligent design behind this mechanism, perhaps to prioritize and spread some kind of positive feedback.If you think about it, in making the universe to get something out of it, maybe you don't want to waste processing power exploring all possibilities at the same time when there are so many where nothing interesting happens, even with infinite processing power you still have to build the constructs to actually process every single branching possibility. It's not elegant.Imagine dwarf fortress, but you keep missing the astronomical chance that a planet and dwarves are created, so you have to reroll like a retard for eons. Not very convenient, is it?
>>16560355shut the fuck up retard
No it's fine tuned but we need another health care system already
>>16561032I like (You)s
if it wasn't, then we wouldn't be here. Whether that was coincidental or intentional is anyone's guess
>>16560355Life is not incredibly persistent. We just exist in the rare place where we can exist. Most of the universe is deadly.
We're here, so yes, at least locally. But it's likely a happy accident, we just happen to be in one of the bubble universes that is conducive to life. Probably.
>>16560514take off all your clothes, and live outdoors for a week looking for food.post back results on your finely-tuned environment
>>16562315There are literally hundreds of episodes of Naked and Afraid for you to perv on instead of trying to trick anon into making more of your fetish content.
Life is the opposite of fine tuning.
>>16560502>it's likely that life anywhere else is almost certainly plagued by suffering toothis only happens when the collective doesn't have control over individual replication.
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>>16562038>Life is not incredibly persistent>4.4 billions later still aroundlol ok
>>16562394No, the whole reason modern society stopped doing that and gave up on things like arranged marriage is because of all the individual suffering that resulted from the collective choosing the wrong things for certain individuals.
>>16560976Supposing a falsehood let's you prove false statements
