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>>16560954
Glass the Earth, demigod war eventually
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This is happening soon
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Reminder that Butch and Suni are still stranded in space
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>>16560967
you shouldnt call her that, even if she is lesbo
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>>16560954
Gradually. Ferociously.
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>>16560983
Why are moon landing deniers all fat?
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>>16560959
...The bad news is, so is picrel.

btw, was that the same meme mitten he was wearing when he "snapped" the Block 2 Starship out of existence? He really does have a talent for making spacecraft spectacularly disintegrate...

>>16560967
As it turns out, Starliner landed with far less controversy than Starship flight 7...
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>>16560993
AHHHHHHHHHHH
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Is it just me or is our Solar System kind of mediocre planet-wise? All the other terrestrial worlds are so small compared to Earth. Feels like all the effort went into Earth and to a lesser degree the moon, with the rest being a dump save for some ice shells and two underweight husks and a small asteroid field to play in.

Not good for space tourism if that ever happens I imagine, or the return on investment for space missions.
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the chart got updated. i expected the number of upcoming launches to be above 300, so not sure why it falls short. hope we can break 300 launches this year.
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>>16561011
We're lucky we didn't end up with like five Jupiter-alikes, or half a dozen dead rocky balls.
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>>16561018
I guess we'll find out assuming we can map other star systems as accurately as hours within the bounds of known physics. Because if it turns out that our world seed is unusual compared to that even when looking at nearby sun analogues like Tau Ceti then I guess that's more cause to stop complaining and being a perfectionist.
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>>16561013
Most people don't even know moat if any launches are still taking place as often as they are after Apollo. Strange.
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>>16561011
but venus is pretty close to earth size? And if it weren't for the atmosphere would be a better place for a spacefaring civilization to begin because of the slightly lower gravity
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>>16561013
What was the partial failure this month? Shouldn't be New Glenn because that chart is only supposed to consider the launch outcome, not any booster landing attempts.
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>>16561011
Mediocre compared to what? Dynamically, do you know what had to go right in order for Earth to generate life?
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>>16561025
idk, wiki doesnt have a partial failure on the 2025 page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_in_spaceflight
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we need a crew dragon to launch already, its been forever
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Why turn the Voyager probes away from the orbital plane of Earth?
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>>16561037
Yeah but do this at Starbase
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>>16560959
I'm really split on getting rid of it at this point. I know it's the sunk cost fallacy, but at the same time we don't actually have a functional vehicle to replace it.
I'd kinda rather spend the money on it than delay the moon even more, even if it's just a symbolic flags and footprints mission.
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So what happened to inflatables? Were they a technological dead end? I remember them being all the rage for futuristic space concepts.
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>>16561040
what
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>>16561118
Heil SpaceX
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>>16561113
probably irl kraken inducing, I imagine a chain of them could get a bit jiggly
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>>16561113
They're being built by Sierra Space now. They're basically ready to test in space but will require a rocket with a large fairing such New Glenn to deploy.
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>>16561143
>but will require a rocket with a large fairing
Isn't that what the entire concept of INFLATABLE was supposed to avoid?
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>>16561150
The smaller LIFE habitats will only require a 5m fairing, while the largest two require 7m and 9m. New Glenn is 7m.

https://www.sierraspace.com/commercial-space-stations/life-space-habitat/
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>>16560418
Wrong
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>>16561113
china tested one recently
https://spacenews.com/china-quietly-tested-its-first-inflatable-space-module-in-orbit/
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>>16561216
Orbital brap chambers...
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>>16561013
Yeah no idk where they’re getting those but it reaches 300 planned launches
>Falcon: various goals from 170 to 200 but most common one is 180
>Starship: 25 with maybe 2-3 suborbital (flt 7,8 and likely 1st block 3)
>China: will very likely aim for at least 100 like last year, private sector is more ambitious (and will fall short once again) and public sector will increase from mega constellation launches, actual official number of planned launches won’t be released until after Chinese New Year tho
>India: 10 ISRO planned + 2 from the private
>Europe: 9 from Arianespace planned + 3-6 private (isar rfa orbex, skyrora latitude pld)
>Russia has 14 launches with announced date + will likely aim for some last proton and some unannounced military sat
>Japan aims for 4 H3 and 1 H2 iirc, epsilon S and Kairos are TBD
>SK 2 (1 Nuri + innospace)
>ULA 20 launches between atlas and Vulcan (lol)
>BO aims for 8-10 launches (lol)
>rocket Lab aims for 16 launches
>Firefly aims for a few handful iirc,
>odd ones, Gilmour, 2x NG Minotaur, NK has a launch in preparation…

So personally I can count in the high 300s launch planned 380-400.

Can’t link the sources for each but I’m pretty confident for each, I can link it if you ask
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>>16561227
If I was being generous for everyone aiming for more than ten launches, I'd assume 90% of those will happen at the high end, and 50% at the low end.
>Falcon: 160
>Starship: 12
>China: 75
>India: 8
>Europe: 11
>Russia: 13
>Japan: 5
>SK: 2
>ULA: 10
>Blue Origin: 5
>Rocket Lab: 14
>Firefly: 2
>Everyone else: 3
For ~330 launches this year.
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>>16561011
>Is it just me or is our Solar System kind of mediocre planet-wise?
"My spirit will rise from the grave, and the whole world will know that I was right."
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>>16561281
snibeti snab :DD
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>>16561281
ye claw!
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>>16560908
>slow start
Hardly! How soon we forget that January used to be the slowest launch month, averaging less than five launches worldwide, thanks to Russian and Chinese new year holidays. Now it is up to 20 or more because of SpaceX and China's new private launchers.
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>>16560989
Moon landing deniers all hate masons so much they insist on living in doublewide trailers, just to avoid being near bricks
>>16561011
I recently played a modded Space Engineers game with a realistic solar system, with all the shitty moons and whatnot present. The context of the game is that you can break every rock and build anything you want, like real life.
It was horrifying. Everything beyond Mars is dark and cold. It's been haunting me for the last few days. They're out there now, frozen, spinning endlessly, the sun dimmer than my computer screen. It's like the instinctive drive of the primates we were, compelling me to stay close to the fire.
Apparently bright stars don't have planets yet and and dim stars are most of the universe. Is that all that awaits us out there? Darkness and ice as far as we go?
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>>16561024
"Just remove the atmosphere" represents many orders of magnitude more effort than anything mankind has ever done, both in terms of the energy expended and the number of human lifetimes of labor required.

Building a permanent human civilization on Mars is trivial in comparison.
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>>16561300
easier if we start by freezing it out
big sunshade and lots of time
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Word on the street is that Trump will not be cancelling or modifying SLS/Orion programs in any way because "that benefits China".
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>>16561316
source
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>>16561316
This sounds suspect. No modification in any direction doesn't set him up to win.
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>>16561316
its happening
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>>16561316
The right time to cancel SLS was 10 years ago. At this point it, keeping it will get us to the Moon faster. If that's really what's important, despite the cost, well.. shit's dumb but it is what it is. Cancel it after the first landing.
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>>16561324
Just cancel the upgrades and finish what's already in construction.
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>>16561324
Yep and one way to figure this out is to follow crew eval on alternatives (none atm). It will take at least a few years to do that so they need to make a selection in this year's RFP or the next.
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Artemis 2 Lunar flyby in Q1 2026 followed by SLS cancelation and Starship Lunar flyby in Q3 2026 sounds gucci
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SLS lobby is still strong even though Elon's in the White House and Jared's at NASA. Look at the states SLS hardware is manufactured.
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>>16561323
That is the most cursed fucking drawing ever.
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>>16561316
Cancelling SLS before A2 is stupid because it makes the odds of CMSA sending astronauts in cislunar space before NASA much higher (they plan mid 2028 for their "apollo 8", crewed lunar orbit test); with SLS it's basically safe that NASA will do it before.
No modification is stupid tho.
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>>16561355
The modification is basically BOLE and EUS though which is being built as we speak. Seems like a massive waste if we just throw away tooling and infra.
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>>16561300
Not everything worth doing is easy.
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>>16560959
>We are going back to the moo-ACK
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>>16561056
HLS is so far from being operational let alone man rated I think SLS is the best option if you actually want to return to the moon. The launch cost isn't much compared to all the R&D that's already been paid for.
Eg. this is enough money to fly 250 SLS missions.
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>>16561316
>>16561320
>>16561324
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>>16561342
But if NASA cancel SLS and its 1B vertion, Gateway will be canceled too
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>>16561359
Trump doesn't care about the specifics but he would very much like return to the moon during his term. Not that there are many alternatives.
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>>16561360
Gateway is completely useless
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>>16561360
Good, we don't need it.
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>>16561364
I don't think Trump understands the specifics so it'll come down to does he trust his NASA admin or Musk more. Both will say they are the only viable way to get to the moon but only one will be telling the truth.
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>>16561367
>>16561368
The moonlandings are even more useless than gateway
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>>16561371
Yeah, the number of refuels needed for starship to be able to go both ways is ridiculous and not really viable
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>>16561373
The smart path forward if we wanted off this rock instead of just putting on a show would be:
>LEO rotating hab to find minimum safe G
>LEO fuel depot / nuclear tug
>LLO space station to support surface ops
>lots of landings a recon to find base location
>build base / spinning cone base if we need more G

>>16561376
The whole thing is still at least a decade off, assuming someone is crazy enough to sign off on no-escape powered landing man rating. If they aren't that crazy starship goes in the bin as a manned LV.
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>>16561355
>they plan mid 2028 for their "apollo 8", crewed lunar orbit test
There is absolutely no way china is ready to send people around the moon in 3 years.
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Has anyone seen so much as qualification hardware for long march 9?
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>>16560989
at least half of the gentlemen in my pic are phat too
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>>16560983
>Why are middle aged men bald!?
It's called testosterone. Not that you'd know about the effects of it.
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>>16561373
Transporting the first woman and first nigger to the moon is a top priority
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>>16561373
No
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>>16561371
I don't think Isaacman thinks the way you think he does. He's team SpaceX for life. He has entrusted his own life to them several times.
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CZ-6A launch from Taiyuan at 05:15 UTC with 18 Qianfan sats (Shanghai microsat manufacturer) to ~800km polar orbit.
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>>16561418
The gigabay is not enough. we need the terabay
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>>16561439
>CZ-6A Y6; 10th CZ-6A launch
>10+ launches of CZ-6A are planned this year
>Payload to 700km SSO of CZ-6A has been upgraded to 6.5t
>This was group 6 of qianfan, group 4&5 are likely waiting for CZ-8 launch in Wenchang
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>>16561355
China's plans are somewhat murky. I keep hearing dates such as 2027, 2028, 2029 but they haven't flown any of their lunar hardware yet. Verifying the heatshields as it turns out is a massive undertaking. SLS at least puts us several years ahead of them.
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>>16561435
The reality is SLS can get men to the moon within the decade with a pretty low chance of killing them.
Starship can't reliably get to orbit and needs massive redesigns and new technology developed to make it while still having a decent chance of kill a crew thanks to no LES.

It isn't about being pro or anti spaceX it's about being pro or anti reality.
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>>16561281
Needs more lasers
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CZ-3B/G2 launch from Xichang at 15:32 UTC with TJSW-14 sat (early warning or SIGINT) to GTO
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>>16561448
Long March 9 will have the payload to do it but as you say they are a long way behind, LM9 still hasn't slown.
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>>16561455
Patch, probably another Early warning sat from SAST
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>>16561422
Not anymore!
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>>16561456
Cargo only, its basically confirmed by the manufacturers so they can take more time with the dev (bc they don't anticipate 50t+ deliveries to the moon this decade). I'm talking only crew launches.
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>>16561463
>Cargo only
I wonder why, it's all liquid so manned solids aren't an issue. I can I think of is the second stage being too high thrust and the engines not being able to throttle low enough to keep G reasonable.
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>>16561448
Official timeline (+ a bit of reading between the lines and additional infos from stuff like official scientific papers) of *launches* is
>2025: Low alltitude hop test of CZ-10A core
>2026: First CZ-10A (monocore) launch, a second launch with attempted booster wire catch recovery, first uncrewed Mengzhou (capsule) launch to LEO
>2027: First CZ-10 (tricore) launch, very likely first crewed Mengzhou launch to LEO
>2028: First crewed CZ-10/Mengzhou launch to lunar orbit
>2029: (2nd half) First crewed lunar landing with 2xCZ-10/Mengzhou/Lanyue.
They don't deny that this is an ambitious plan and that the timeline is tight.
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>>16561359
You can't return to the moon without something to land there. I don't count being nearby as meaning much.
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>>16560989
This has been posted on /sci/ several times. Not sure if it's true but it certain sounds true, which is good enough for modern science.
>Only 6% of Americans believe the Moon landing was a hoax. They're the trannies of their generation. They're people who feel like they are somehow special, somehow smarter than everyone, but are unable to prove either. So they start believing in conspiracy theories. This gives them a psychological construct that reinforces their belief that they're smarter than everyone else even while lacking any substance for such a belief. Their delusion is their evidence.
>The biggest predictor of a person believing that the Moon landing was a hoax is a pre-existing belief in another conspiracy theory, such as cover ups of extraterrestrials, the JFK assassination, or the existence of the Loch Ness Monster and other forms of cryptozoology.
>The second biggest predictor is the combination of an IQ in the 105-115 range and having earned a GED.
>Though many would expect schizophrenia is be the biggest predictor, it is actually only the third biggest predictor of belief that the Moon landing was a hoax.
While it isn't uncommon for a person to have multiple predictor attributes, there is a surprisingly large amount of clustering within the three attribute groups and much less overlap between groups than is typical for such subpopulations.
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>>16561449
The reality is that no one cares about the opinion of SLS enjoyers. Suffer, seethe or cling to happy delusions. It makes no difference.

Wishing you a very merry your pork barrel project gets shit canned.
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Mishap investigation status? No sugarcoating
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I want to see distributed lift (kills SLS) but you know its not happening. Very happy to be proven wrong though.
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>>16561440
There's enough space for 3 Gigabays. Which is a total of approximately 90 to 108 ships/boosters that can be stored in FL. Double that if they replicate it on the other side of Roberts Road.
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>>16561011
Venus is pretty neat. Especially at the altitude where pressure is 1 atm temperature is moderate and breathable air is a lifting gas
Titan has interesting chemistry as well.
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>>16561480
source : reddit
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>>16561011
Unfortunately yes. If a Pandora existed in our Solar System we wouldn't even care about Mars.
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>>16561418
is it covered in snow right now?
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>>16561513
As luck would have it there is one.
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>>16561493
no news on that I'm afraid
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>>16561480
am I heking wrong fellow redditsister statistically speaking ?
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>>16561517
Take care of it anons, it's the only home we'll ever have.
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>>16561513
I won't care about another planet unless it's inhabited by women with an unnatural skin color with slim bodies
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>>16561515
Nope
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>>16561521
wrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler-186f
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>>16561521
What, just one?! What a crock of shit, nobody told me this system was a DIY one.
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>>16561527
I still can't believe that Mars terraforming is not only possible but also quite straightforward
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>>16561533
Stop ban evading
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>>16561521
fuck this stupid gay piece of shit
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https://x.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1882430842406105496
>ISRO is set to launch GSLV-F15 on 29 January at 6:23 am IST! It will carry NVS-02, the second satellite in the 2nd generation of NavIC satellites, into Geostationary Transfer Orbit.
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>>16561539
does every country really need their own satellite navigation system? Just useless redundancy, especially with EU and India, since they have access to GPS as is. Russia and China is understandable, since it's conceivable that US could try to cut them off somehow.
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>>16561524
what if she had blue fur and big booba and her name was krystal?
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>>16561534
not ban evading, got banned for completely on topic stuff that happened to be connected to Trump
Trump can in fact be spaceflight related
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>>16561541
I respect any country that tries to break reliance on the US.
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>>16561547
That money could be spent on actual space probes or research that would benefit everyone. Yeah, self-sufficiency and not being a leech are something, but it's just a waste of money
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>>16561541
bloody benchods denied us GPS
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>>16561552
nowadays China or Russia would give access to their systems if USA cut India off, just to give the finger to the US
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>>16561547
If a nation has a self-sufficient space program they always also want to set up their own satellite navigation system
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>>16561555
Russia likely would since India and Russia are on pretty good terms, but China is a lot more dubious. China's the reason India has such a healthy ICBM program
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>>16561560
The fuck are you talking about?
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>>16561567
I'm tired of getting banned arbitrarily for on topic posts
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>>16561567
not to mention, haven't you seen these threads getting constantly locked?
If DEI is getting deleted out of NASA, then that is on fucking topic
the moderation is a fucking joke
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>>16561573
offtop-ranting about trannies is a sign that you need to cut down on imageboards and the internet

go for a walk and get a job
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Trump talks about a mission to Mars and because of the person talking about it suddenly is off topic? give me a fucking break
are you supposed to talk about this but not say certain words or something? like really? lmao
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>>16561576
Talks about missions to Mars are aspirational without hardware development timelines and Congressional budgets.
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>>16561578
so fucking what?
the new administration (being led by Trump) having new priorities seems like a pretty fucking important topic
just because the politician is disliked by the tranny mods does not make the topic off topic
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>>16561579
I fuck trannies, so it wasnt them
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>>16561579
get your head out of your ass. /sfg/ has like 100 regulars and the notion that reddit/discord/spitter/whatever trannies have "infiltrated" it is completely psychotic
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>>16561581
4chan's alignment has always been all over the map. Things have gone pro-globohomo and virulently anti-globohomo depending on the decade; don't read too much into it, especially with zero accountability. Just talk about the Mars stuff and laugh at the Jannies who do it for free.
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>>16561579
Nah man, it's faggots like you who can't contain your shit to boards where it belong.
Personally I blame boardfag for bringing you all here. Get the fuck off my lawn.
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>>16561583
tranny or tranny sympathizer like I said, the cancer killing this general

>>16561585
they are reporting posts that they don't like (whether they are on topic or not) and the mods either don't care or are ones themselves
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>>16561587
I know, the problem is getting arbitrarily banned and if the concetration of these lunatics gets too large, this place becomes like any other place
if I want to read what the normie shitlib thinks, I can go to Arstechnica or reddit
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>>16561589
You dont like to fuck trannies? I think most of us do
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>>16561588
Trump talking about a Mars mission is on topic
DEI getting deleted out of NASA is on topic
certain topics that touch on politics are in fact spaceflight related whether you like it or not
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>>16561316
should posts like this be off topic bannable? because this is the level of post I got banned due to
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>>16561585
I came here from the /sfg/ discord
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thread derailed

JANNY CLEAN IT UP
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>>16561560
https://www.russiadefence.net/
you can now leave /sfg/
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japanese animation
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Damn just now realizing Einstein died in 1955, meaning he didn’t get to see the Moon landing. Bleak. He would have loved it. It would be interesting to see him and von Braun together lol
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>>16561567
We've had multiple threads that were at least half /pol/ or /k/ flamewars and absolutely nothing happens. Anything goes until a certain somebody gets offended and then it gets reported even if on topic.

>>16561571
>>16561573
I got a 3 day for making a silly joke about one of the ISS astronauts. Somehow "off topic" to talk about people in space in the spaceflight thread. It is what it is.

>>16561589
Hard agree.
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>>16561611
>I got a 3 day for making a silly joke about one of the ISS astronauts. Somehow "off topic" to talk about people in space in the spaceflight thread. It is what it is.
its tiring and pushes me to just basically browse X
this phenomenon seems to get worse after there has been a big event like a Starship launch, or something especially inflaming that Musk happened to do, but still
how many regulars have left permanently?
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>>16561606
got us to mars
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Can we just switch around the names of Crew Dragon and Starship, so that it's like Crew Ship, and this thing is a Stardragon
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>>16561493
FAA investigation status: Elon is friends with Trump
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>>16561626
you can't call a teeny little capsule a ship
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>>16561632
Crew Boat
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>>16561626
Have they said what causes that glow? Is is just adiabatic compression?
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>>16561626
>webm
>this will become routine and boring in 5 years time.
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>>16561634
what if the engine mount's made out of lava and that's how it looks all the time
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>>16561635
*6 months
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>>16561630
Won't help
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>>16561634
>Have they said what causes that glow? Is is just adiabatic compression?
Looks that way, air gets trapped inside the ring pretty effectively, and descending at Mach 4 or so down to Mach 1 does a lot to heat the entrained gasses.
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>>16561541
It's not unreasonable to suppose that a US-China war could result in both sides destroying each other's nav constellations, and while it IS unreasonable to think they would leave other nav constellations online for their foe to fall back on, it's the exact kind of unreasonable that arises from delusions of being a superpower that neither combatant would dare provoke.
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>>16561634
Tobacco.
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>>16561656
The entire MEO would be rendered unusable in that scenario and all the other constellations would fail as well, even if not directly targeted.
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>>16561011
No. You are retarded and everyone else sharing your sentiment is too. Firstly, you have no basis in which to make a comparison with (so saying Sol feels mediocre planet-wise is already stupid when we don't know what other star systems are like). But, from the vast amounts of exoplanet data we do have, our Solar System is actually very unique and seems to have formed and developed with exceptional circumstances, such as the gas giants moving outwards, leaving many terrestrial planets to form closer to the star, and the proto-planetary impact causing Earth's moon to form and get captured.

Secondly, the worlds which we do have in Sol all show unique and interesting features which sets them apart and makes them all worth researching further. I have created this scaled image containing what I deem "the major worlds of Sol", including every known body in Sol with a diameter above 2,000 km that has been visited by a spacecraft. To call these words "mediocre" is honestly an insult to nature. I am still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Titan even exists. Ganymede and Callisto are characteristicly very similar in their makeup, but their appearances are completely different to eachother. Triton and Pluto are virtually the same planet and are nothing alike. There is literally a moon orbitting so close to its parent that it's turned into a lava-spewing volcano world. Venus is literally Earth's sister with hellish activity occurring in its clouds and deep on its surface. Mercury and Luna may appear to be similar at first, but their differences arise when you look into them, with Mercury's relatively large core and Luna's frozen basalt lakes. And then you have Mars, a toxic desert planet which has served as inspiration for science-fiction for decades and is the sole reason the billionaire with a dream is pouring his life's savings into a rocket program to get the first footprints there.

You're just boring dude.
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>>16560954
slow and steady
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>>16561664
There's not enough to data to know whetever Sol is special. While the gas giants being on the outer rim is something, it's not really all that uncommon. As for terrestrial planets and moons, we don't really know the configurations of other systems on these.

We don't have surface ocean worlds, which could be very common. We don't have hot gas giants, which are common. It's completely possible our system is not that special (apart from Earth obviously). But I agree with you, calling our configuration boring is a stretch, since it's pretty diverse all things considered.
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>>16561664
we should really just get boots on mars and see how it goes. Maybe stick around in a base for a while.
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>>16561664
>mercury
>boring and gay, could be very common

>venus
>could be a common type

>earth
>obviously special

>mars
>could be a common type

>saturn, jupiter, uranus, neptune
>common type

>moons, pluto, ceres
>could be everywhere
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>>16561661
Most likely, sure, but the timescale depends on how they're destroyed -- kinetic kill vs directed energy vs cyber. (In principle, an extremely successful cyber attack could mean commanded deorbits with no collateral damage on any timescale, but that's... unlikely.) I think the sensible choice (provided you somehow believe your own constellation wouldn't be targeted) is to bet on low-collateral approaches that leave a bunch of dead birds peacefully orbiting, with no debris until they eventually collide.

Nobody knows for sure what options US actually has up their sleeve today, and deciding to launch a constellation implies planning for decades, which only increases the likelihood of (relatively) low-collateral approaches being available.
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>>16561541
Japanese QZSS is specifically to give better signal in Japan because all the mountains block GPS signal far too often

Galileo on the other hand is pointless
The only goal is keeping up with the Joneses - EU commission "needed" to have the same toy as yanks
Same logic for the Indian one.
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>>16561664
Mars is probably the most exceptional planet that isn't Earth, in the sense that has both a relatively dynamic surface and is probably not that common. Other worlds that have any kind of dynamism going on, the gas giant moons or the trans neptunian objects, are far more likely to be common occurrences. The Moon and Mercury being slightly different blasted rocks doesn't make them that interesting in their own right, even though they are probably not common.
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>>16561696
Galileo cost 10 billion to set up and has like 1 billion yearly maintenance cost. For reference, Jupiter Icy Moons Explorer cost 1.6 billion. ESA could've literally send an orbiter to all the planets with the money they jerked off on Galileo. Or a combination of orbiters, telescopes and rovers (granted, ESA sucks at rovers).
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>>16561359
>this is enough money to fly 250 SLS missions

That $500 billion is private investment money (which they don't have) not government.
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>>16561700
even worse than I though
no wonder ESA told them to fuck off
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>>16560954
>This Is Real Time Footage Edition
No way
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>>16561555
The Chinese and Indians hate each other and have constant small scale violence along the border.
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>>16561707
Glenny a slow. Slow!
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>>16561653
Transphobe is a made up word.
Disgust isn't fear and never will be.
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>>16561585
SFG has a discord of pathetic H1Bs that spam this place in flocks because they're seeking validation. They enjoy saying stupid shit like you just did.
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>>16561716
sfg - Schizo Frenzy General
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>>16561648
It’s happening. This is the age of "He couldn't possibly do that. No one would do that. It's impossible. He just did."
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>>16561729
that is Musks life
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>>16561730
me when I say that we could've been on callisto in the early 2000s had we not discontinued the apollo program.
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>In a bold forecast about what lies ahead for the space industry, venture firm Space Capital predicts both Boeing and Airbus will divest their space divisions in 2025, marking a significant shift in the commercial space landscape.
>According to Space Capital’s latest investment trends report released Jan. 23, these aerospace giants are struggling to maintain pace with the rapidly evolving space sector. “These divestitures by entrenched government contractors marks a pivotal moment in the space economy, as it changes the competitive landscape, establishes a new power broker system, and creates new opportunities and risks in the government’s extended capabilities in space,” the report states.
>The prediction comes amid broader trends in the space industry, with Space Capital projecting 2025 to be “one of the most transformative years on record for the space economy.” This forecast is partially influenced by Elon Musk’s prominent position in the Trump administration, which Space Capital expects to maintain a “strongly pro-growth and anti-regulation” stance toward the industry.
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>>16561742
>The report highlights increasing defense spending as a crucial factor shaping the industry’s future. Mounting concerns over China’s space capabilities, particularly its BeiDou navigation system’s growing influence, are driving U.S. initiatives like the adoption of alternative positioning, navigation and timing systems offered by commercial firms, and the Resilient Global Positioning Systems (R-GPS) program, which aims to strengthen GPS infrastructure through commercial partnerships.
>An increased focus on defense is already evident in recent industry moves. Redwire, traditionally focused on space infrastructure, is set to acquire Edge Autonomy for $925 million, signaling a strategic pivot toward defense technology. Similarly, Voyager Technologies (formerly Voyager Space) has announced a restructuring to emphasize defense and national security operations ahead of a planned IPO.
>The trend extends to other players in the space sector. Planet, an operator of imaging satellites, and satellite manufacturing startup K2 Space have both recently recruited former defense officials, indicating their intent to pursue more military contracts.
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>>16561742
>>16561744
The article's implying that Boeing and Airbus can't keep up or compete in a low-regulation business environment.
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>>16561635
it literally felt routine on flight 7
it wasn't pushing the limits of what's proven to be possible, it was just "doing it again"
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>>16561435
Isaacman is team space
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>>16561546
that's what ban evading is though?
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>>16561750
i wasn't permabanned you fucking retard
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>>16561748
At any point in time
>Everything that SpaceX has already done is "routine" and "tech that NASA figured out 60 years ago"
>Everything that SpaceX hasn't done is an impractical pipe dream that won't happen for 20+ years
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>>16561753
the latter becomes the former in the blink of an eye as quickly as it happens with zero awareness from the NPCs saying them
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>>16561753
they indisputably pioneered the catch mechanism
it just didn't have nearly the same suspense as flight 5
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>>16561751
But you DID wait out the entire ban period, rather than circumnavigating it to post? That's what confused anon I believe, the assumption that you were CURRENTLY banned, not banned in the past.
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>>16561757
yes, banned 3 days ago for 3 days
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>>16561744
>>16561742
Boeing I get but Airbus? Why would they divest from the ESA pork barrel, let alone try to find someone to sell their 50% stake in Arianegroup. Airbus also has a huge Space division that currently makes up about 1/6th of their total revenue. The space capital report only mentions them once in their predictions for 2025 and nowhere else in the report.
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>>16561742
boeing trying to cash out on their space division because they know it's going to be worthless once sls and starliner bite the dust
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>>16561714
You are absolutely shitting your pants retard
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>>16561716
Are these flocks in the rocket with us now?
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>>16561753
nailed it
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>>16561753
ok so maybe they can catch it in a tower and maybe the raptors are good for another flight but they will never refly a booster it’s literally impossible.
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>>16561811
I'm more concerned about tower not being able to take many catches, they can build many rockets fast, but if catch arms need replacing it's going to take a while.
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https://x.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1882562971685048670
>Tonight is the final public scoping meeting regarding the Environmental Impact Statement that would allow the US Air Force to authorize the redevelopment of Space Launch Complex (SLC)-6 at Vandenberg Space Force Base to allow for Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy launches. It would also increase the annual Falcon launch cadence from Vandenberg Space Force Base from 50 Falcon 9 launches from SLC-4E per year to 100 launches per year across both SLC-4E and SLC-6. The virtual meeting starts at 6 pm PST (9 pm EST, 0200 UTC).

https://www.vsfbfalconlauncheis.com/

Who's ready for more NIMBY comedy?
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>>16561380
>LEO rotating hab to find minimum safe G
I would be surprised if 1/6G wasn't safe (with an exercise regime to keep the muscles and bones from deteriorating), but I guess we gotta test it.
MicroGs have been shown to be safe for periods of a year and longer.
Testing on the moon might be sufficient, since you would probably have months, if not years between first signs of danger and permanent damage.
Built LEO ring stations anyway.
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>>16561541
You need an independent system for your military.
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>>16561716
oh, i get it, you're the gravimeme schizo that got bullied out.
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>>16561664
>from the vast amounts of exoplanet data we do have, our Solar System is actually very unique
We have virtually no data about exoplants. Our measurement techniques are very biased and limited.
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>>16561853
just go to mars and live in 1/3rd G. You know its the best option
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>>16561865
My compressed spine yearns for martian gravity.
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>>16561864
We have a lot more than we used to, enough to determine that within the limits and error bars of the data set, our solar system is not a preferred arrangement.
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>>16561866
I simply want to float weightless, forever.
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>>16561487
How do you end up a partisan hack about spaceflight? Is it just because you support Musks / Trumps politics and think that makes Starship more viable?
I think making SLS shuttle derived was a stupid piece of corruption to keep the money flowing to the prime contractors but that doesn't make Starship ready for TLI in 5 years.

>>16561541
Everyone that wants to be a military power needs one and because they take decades to bring online you need to be thinking about what could have changed in geopol over the next 20 years.
Eg. 20 years ago no one would have thought the US would be threatening war with the EU over Greenland but here we are.
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>>16561480
>the JFK assassination
israel/CIA did it
case solved you're welcome
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>>16561866
low gravity chiropracty is a growth industry
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https://insidedefense.com/insider/boeing-defense-programs-book-17-billion-loss-fourth-quarter

Ooooooof
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>>16561889
Not optimal
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Harriet Hunt lost weight, converted to Christianity, and works for Firefly now.
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>>16561933
She’s out here with an actual useful job now, and she has converted to christ. Inspirational.

Contrast it with losers like this who want to leave religion behind on Earth and make mars some bleak atheistic ‘le enlightened science’ topia. Even jurvetson was in here talking about needing to leave religion behind for “progress in our thoughts”. What a faggot
https://x.com/yrouel86/status/1836340125443240354
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>>16561013
>>16561227
>>16561243
I think they use only missions with somewhat of a date, especially Starlink missions are usually only added a couple weeks in advance (probably to avoid pointless clutter and because I don't think SpaceX announces them much further ahead anyways). I haven't watched this one but the planned launches on the F9 page always grow as the year goes on due to that, I'd expect this one to be the same. I think some of these graphs are also automatically generated from the tables so "just add another 100 for Starlink" might not be that simple. If you really want to know just ask this on the Talk page though.
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>>16561478
I don't think it's impossible to get a lander ready by 2028, but it's definitely a long shot. I'd still settle for flyby though.
You really need a smaller vehicle like Orion for the return trip, because Starship requires so much refueling it's not really practical to do it in lunar orbit.
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>>16561933
born again virgin
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>>16561933
feed her again
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>>16561880
You are a retard who supports burning through more than $4 billion per launch on what was never intended to be more than a jobs program
I refuse to even read the whole of your retarded reply
No one cares what you think
Please remove yourself from future discussions
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>>16561948
kek
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>>16561509
According to Google, it's never been posted on Reddit but has been posted here multiple times, starting in 2021.
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>>16561948
"Shuttle derived" fucked it up but that corrupt jobs program has still produced a functional SHLV while SpaceX hasn't.
Cope and seethe all you want, it doesn't change reality.
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>>16561933
Did she dump that sissy bf? tattoo removal? slampig was a real piece of work
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>>16561956
NTA but fuck off. Bragging about a bajillion dollar jewprogram finally delivering a working product after 20 years of research isn’t some sort of win. It is well below the bare minimum expectation.
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>>16561958
>Bragging
lol no, it's a complete clusterfuck but it produced the only working LV that can do that job. This discussion started by talking about if Trump would be serious about a manned moon landing within his term and if he is there isn't another option.
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>>16561960
>But it can do the job!
It's so bad at the job it took Gateway from being a JPL pipe dream and made it into something necessary for the program because because big fatty can't get Orion into a proper lunar orbit
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>>16561960
It is not the only vehicle capable of a realistic fast-paced lunar return. In fact it’s arguably bad for that role compared to commercial options
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nobody cares about the ISS or chinese station, nobody will care about vast's station either
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>>16561974
So realistically you need at least100 tons in LEO, this is your big TLI stage, CSM, lander ect.
Why other current US LV can get 100 tons to LEO? You could design a 2 launch mission with a pair of Falcon heavies throwing 60 tons each as expendable but the fairing size limit means you can't use hydrolox TLI stage. So now you need to design a new high energy upper stage and a new engine that runs on denser propellants.

>>16561970
Yes it's shit, you seem to keep confusing best available with good.
Lets say I'm cleaning my car and all I have are a hammer, a lawnmower and a sock, the sock is the best option I have that doesn't mean I prefer to wash my car with a sock.
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>>16561990
they’ll care as soon as something goes awry, minor or not
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>>16561756
The catch mechanism is not innovative at all besides the scope of it's scale. Landing on a barge is far more technically challenging. The tower was always going to work, that difficult part is the superheavy control of their shitheap jank booster that gets chopped up and rebuilt internally after every launch.

The actual innovative part of the starship program is the bellyflop flap control re-entry which seemed to work pretty much flawlessly first time anyway. The other innovative part will be active cooling since I'm 100% sure they are ditching the ceramic tiles.
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>>16561867
Isn't that just because gas giants are all we can see right now? I remember seeing some simulation that said that we wouldn't be able to spot Earth around the sun from another star with our current tech. The star is too bright and the rocky planets are too dim and small
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>>16562011
Some assumptions are still built into the models, but outliers like Red Dwarf systems and normal distributions make it possible to extrapolate. Of the four possible arrangements, Ordered is the least common.
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>>16562015
I don't see why ordered would be the least common, wouldn't the heavier elements in the accretion disc naturally occur towards the center, with the outside being lighter elements? That's what we see in our solar system and seems like a logical assumption.
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>>16561990
my idea of making luxury hard spirits still makes sense. that and those drugs that work better in zero g means we could have actual viable space stations soon
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WE ARE GOING
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>>16562019
how do you distill in zero g
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>>16562017
>I don't see why ordered would be the least common, wouldn't the heavier elements in the accretion disc naturally occur towards the center, with the outside being lighter elements? That's what we see in our solar system and seems like a logical assumption.
The data sets show a preference of higher density near the star or equal density throughout.
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AI generated cancer vaccines made in space stations
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>>16562026
WE ARE FUCKING GOING YEEEEAAAAHHH
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>>16561995
>Lets say I'm cleaning my car and all I have are a hammer, a lawnmower and a sock, the sock is the best option I have that doesn't mean I prefer to wash my car with a sock.
A normal non-retarded person would realize they also have a car and can drive to the car wash.
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>>16561753
kek, watch out how this is going to happen with orbital refueling, 100% guaranteed.
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>>16561995
>>16562069
This guy is sitting around wondering if he should wash his car with a rock or a lawnmower. Now it's clear why he likes SLS.
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>>16561945
I would have sexual intercourse with her if you know what I mean
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>>16562069
>>16562072
What what do you geniuses suggest as a mission profile to get man on the moon in 4 years without using SLS, keep in mind "lets just make a N2O4 / UDMH upper stage to use Falcon Heavy" means more like 10 years.
You won't have an answer because you are election tourists which now infect /sfg/ of all places.
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>>16562078
don't get it, is that some new kind of orbital insertion?
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>>16562080
How does SLS get man on the moon
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>>16562028
Electrohydrodynamic Distillation
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>>16562084
By being big enough to put the Exploration Upper Stage into LEO with enough fuel left for TLI.
Now describe your mission design.
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>>16562087
how does the exploration upper stage land on the moon
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>>16562085
put these on the tip of starship
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>>16562088
It doesn't, do you not understand you have to get to the moon before you can land on it?
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>>16562090
Oh ok, so what vehicle is being used to land on the moon with the SLS architecture then
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>>16562091
Blue Moon eventually, I was seriously dubious about that but New Glenn did well so hopefully they can get it right.
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>>16562093
Ah yes the company that took over two decades to build an orbital rocket

I'm sure their lunar lander will be operational and man rated within 4 years. I'm sure the Orion heatshield problem will also be resolved within 4 years.
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>>16562095
It will take fat stacks of cash to get a landing in 4 years, I honestly don't think it is possible but if you want to land ASAP SLS is the best option.
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>>16562093
>New Glenn
>Did well

Erm, it didn't land, you know, the main function of a lunar lander KEK
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>>16561956
>"Shuttle derived" fucked it up but that corrupt jobs program has still produced a functional SHLV while SpaceX hasn't.

SLS is not an SHLV, no cargo version exists and the comanifested payload of the Block 1B is a mere 10 tons.
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>>16562080
>"lets just make a N2O4 / UDMH upper stage to use Falcon Heavy" means more like 10 years

This is your brain on Boeing timelines.
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>>16562093
>By being big enough to put the Exploration Upper Stage into LEO with enough fuel left for TLI
>Blue Moon eventually, I was seriously dubious about that but New Glenn did well so hopefully they can get it right.

Funny you mention Blue's successful flight of New Glenn's second stage while the EUS, that NASA picked over Blue's proposal, is still vaporware.
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>>16562097
Do you think the first stage of NG lands on the moon?

>>16562099
>SLS doesn't push more than 50 tons to LEO

>>16562103
Fair point, how far along is SpaceX's lander.
>inb4 SS is close to being a lander because it has the same shape
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>>16562104
>SLS doesn't push more than 50 tons to LEO

Correct, its payload to LEO is actually lower than the Shuttle's.

>how far along is SpaceX's lander.

The vehicle it is derived from has been to space multiple times.
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>>16562114
So we aren't counting the ~130 ton EUS with the majority of it's fuel left?
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>>16562120
>the rocket is the payload

SLS with the EUS only has the ability to comanifest 10 tons of payload.
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Space. Is. For. Everyone.
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>>16562125
wrong
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>>16560959
LOL
It already happened.
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>>16562080
Calm down Ranjit
No one is going to the moon anytime soon nonmatter how much your lord god Elon is grifts off the government.
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>>16561297
Do you know the mod name? There's a lot of solar system mods to sift through.
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>>16562120
may we see this exploration upper stage?
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>>16562160
ITAR
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>>16561956
>while spacex hasn't
it in fact has, spacex could have gone to orbit on multiple previous flights with a super heavy payload, and chose not to because testing return trajectories of those vehicles was significantly more important.
so you're once again being disingenuous in favour of SLS.
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>>16562128
>H1B
brainrotted tourist lel
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>>16562205
Elon loves H1Bs, it caused a multi day meltdown here when he shilled for pajeets, tourist
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For me, it's the H-1
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>>16562229
>a bunch of mercurys strapped together
>mercury was a modded and upgraded V2
>V2 CLUSTER MUNITION
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>>16562229
>SETATS DETIZC
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>>16561664
>such as the gas giants moving outwards, leaving many terrestrial planets to form closer to the star
You're massively exaggerating how unlikely this is. The only reason it's notable is before the exoplanet boom our models predicted like 6% of systems would have a hot jupiter and turns out it's closer to 11%. A big miss in terms of predictions but still a small minority of systems have this issue.
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>>16562080
Does the man have to survive or come back?
cause I've got a few ideas if he doesn't.
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>>16562085
space is gay
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>>16562215
no, it caused a bunch of tourists (like you) to come here and chimp out.
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>>16562295
Space is happy. Happy for Mars!
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>>16562229
if the H1 is so good, why didn't they make an H1B?
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>>16562351
Future spacefarers will pass the time by playing the glowing floating spheres game
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>>16562351
doesnt scream confidence in your spaceship to be wearing EVA suits all the time.
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>>16562093
>SLS and an imaginary lunar lander will be ready in four years
go back to washing your car with the lawnmower
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Another happy landing
He can’t keep getting away with it
etc. etc.
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>>16562355
They're all just busy trying to keep the Brazilian from eating the shiny rocks.
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>>16562355
>glowing floating spheres
those are brilliant pebbles
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>>16562365
only three more launches before Falcon 9 surpasses Proton with the most launches of an active (lol) launch vehicle.
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>>16562365
another one???
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>>16562379
yeah they launch a falcon every time you look away
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>>16562125
not for claustrophobiacs
this will be the typical apartment on Mars
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>>16562361
How else will you know that they're astronauts?
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>>16562396
what sort of chinese cuck box is that?
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>>16560954
Elon Musk bros....... It's over.... Elon Musk's biggest supporter on X debunked his Mars ambitions...
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>>16562396
>>16562409
>hong kong coffin homes
I should have known.
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anyone that uses that fucking police car light / red siren emoji in a tweet should be exiled to a small smelly island
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>>16562426
cool game, when do we get to space?
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>>16562413
of course they dont have that stuff, they're focused on getting starship working. everyone knows this.
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>>16562413
There is government support, though. And everything else can be figured out once SpaceX is close to having a human rated Mars rocket.
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>>16562426
I also have the game dev thread and /sfg/ right next to each other.
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whats likely to happen
>spacex builds a spaceport on mars called Terminus
>nasa builds a science outpost next to it
>private and commercial interests spread out from there
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>>16562437
>>16562431
My tabs switched places ahhhhhhh
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>>16562437
develop a ksp successor
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>>16562229
manufactured at the rocketdyne plant in neosho, missouri. the very rare spaceflight event to happen in this neck of the woods.
>>16562354
because they already made an h-1c and h-1d
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More write downs on Boeing's Death Capsule are on the way.
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>>16562462
>Diversity is our strength!
Will Boeing ever get their shit together?
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>>16562432
Ambitious timelines require parallel development. If they wait for Starship to be perfected before working on the details of the facilities on Mars, it will take decades before they can put anyone on Mars.
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>>16562466
It's criminal that we only get one of these in this solar system, imagine how much better things would be if Venus had gotten its shit together early on and becone a true sister world.
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>>16562472
it did have its shit together at one point, and then it fell apart because we took too long to get there and it got depressed
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>>16562467

Starliner are the facilities. Land one and there's a base.
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tower 2 chopsticks being positioned
nothing ever happens
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>>16562476
we want to go to mars but we aren't trying to strand people on mars
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>>16562407
contextual clues
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>>16562413
>no government support
sounds like a plus point to me. just get out of the way
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>>16562479

Actually and ultimately, yes they are. Elon wants to colonize Mars, not visit Mars.
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>>16562413
>structure
what does that even mean in this context?
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>>16562479
>we aren't trying to strand people on mars
we are doomed to fail then
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"May we see them?"

"Uhhh -- they went out for dinner. We'll let them know you called."
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>>16562473
Living worlds NEED sentience there to perceive them, or they get existential dread and die.
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Hi bros. Is there any info on why one of the booster engines failed to relight on boostback, but did light for entry burn? I don't feel like skimming through 20 minute YouTube videos made by virgin autists. Cheers!
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>>16562501
that one was tired. it is being dropped from the program and will be replaced by a more qualified candidate.
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>>16562500
back when the population of the earth was 2 billion and everyone had plenty of room and resources
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>>16562491
>fact check
"ITS NOT POLITICAL"
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REQUEST
Does anyone here have access to Spacecraft Films DVDs or video files? They are about the best collections of all the original footage from the US space program but are no longer for physical sale (unless you find some on ebay) and the guy who made them all seems unwilling to make them available for digital purchase.

id be willing to seed these documentaries for ages if anyone can provide a copy.
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>>16562413
Well done tricking everyone too lazy to check and find out that is an edit.

https://x.com/marionawfal/status/1882716853379764345
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https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1882724115670589573

DIRECT TO CELL INTERNET BEING TESTED IN 3 DAYS

SpaceX moving very fast
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>>16562536

>Spacecraft Films DVDs

The Apollo 7 and 17 DVD sets show as posted on the place that shall never be named, but over 5500 days ago, so you would need deep retention and a bit of luck to get them. Seem to recall other sets going up back around then too.
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>>16562605
shame not to be able to get at that anymore. im not all that retentive. Their 'Live From the Moon' doc about how Apollo radio and video comms worked is posted in full on Vimeo still, which is nice.

https://vimeo.com/channels/39850/413822599
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Pro-space racists are just as harmful to the cause of space development as anti-space protesters.
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>>16562630
hey there miku, love your althist stuff
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>>16562644
it was just so laughably stupid I had to post it, he should stick to art
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>>16562657
give him a break, Japan has had 80 years of american influence not everyone comes out unscaved, at least he posts some good shit from time to time
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>>16562667
pretty sure he's SEA
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The New Shepard crew capsule is using its Reaction Control System (RCS) to spin up to approximately 11 revolutions per minute. This spin rate simulates one-sixth Earth gravity at the midpoint of the crew capsule lockers. In simulated lunar gravity, customers can accelerate their learning and technology readiness for lunar payloads at much lower cost. Previously, the Moon’s gravity could only be simulated a few seconds at a time via centrifuge drop tower or for ~20 seconds aboard parabolic flights.

BLORIGIN finally doing something useful for once
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>>16562676
Damn, from 20 seconds to a whole 3 minutes, it's funny but that really is an improvement isn't it?
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>>16562679
hyuuge
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>>16562671
yeah I went to check just after posting, always thought he was a japanese national living in the US lol
Still, he has the same mentality of some of the more mind broken JP
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>>16562676
you could also do this in orbit thoughever
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>>16562676
Just launch a Dragon with a cable to attach it to the Falcon 9 second stage and spin it up. not that hard and you get more than 3 minutes
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>>16562701
shame nobody does
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>>16562676
>or for ~20 seconds aboard parabolic flights.
I thought it was 25 seconds for 0-g, so it should be closer to 30 seconds for lunar g? Or does it not scale like that?
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>>16562592
They've had those satellites in orbit for months, what's taking them so long?
>FCC
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>>16562716
it doesn't work like that
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>>16562716
to simulate 0 g you have to accelerate at 1 g
to simulate 1/6 g you have to accelerate at 5/6 g
so there's not much difference
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>>16562716
>>16562751
excuse me, I am retarded
you already said that
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It’s Time To Admit It: Starship Is An Embarrassing Failure
https://medium.com/predict/its-time-to-admit-it-starship-is-an-embarrassing-failure-c38a9bb13bff
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>>16562754
It’s Time To Admit It: Will Lockett Is An Embarrassing Failure
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>>16562754
https://archive.PH /8dox7
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>>16562754
>Musk has unsurprisingly failed to disclose the actual reason for this failure, other than citing that the engines are not producing enough thrust. To many, this is not surprising; the thrust figure Musk claimed for the Raptor engines used by Starship seemed wildly optimistic (bordering on fanciful). This is especially significant when you factor in that these are not single-use engines but ones expected to launch and land Starship repeatedly. Just like how your car wouldn’t last very long if you drove everywhere at full throttle, rocket engines need to be held back to extend their life. But these engines have also been repeatedly failing during these test launches, so if SpaceX has reduced their thrust to increase reliability, it isn’t even enough to make them reliable enough for single use.

Raptor bros.... is this true? Is Raptor... a shit?
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>>16562754
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u24C9XnXzzo
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>>16562754

Oh no. Anyway.....
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>>16562630
Thank you for acknowledging that hiring people based on race/sex is discriminatory.
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>>16562797
yeah
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>>16562761
>these engines have also been repeatedly failing during these test launches

Was this written before the second flight?
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>>16562811
right after Flight 7, so yaeh, maybe he sees all these 33 Raptors igniting on the booster as one giant engine or something
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>>16562811
he saw the one engine fail during boostback burn on flight 7 and decided it was more than enough evidence for his crappy FUD piece.
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>>16562816
I thought Raptor reliability was a solved problem? Falcon 9/Merlin wasn't this bad
>inb4 they're different types of engine
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>>16562816
>one engine failed
One engine didn't light for the boostback burn. The engine was used for the landing burn.
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>>16562828
scamX is lying, raptor is a fuck, no mars this century, hang felon etc etc
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>>16562816
>>16562814
The fact that the engine in question relit for the landing burn shows that nothing was wrong with it and that it didn't light for the landing burn due to its control logic.
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Triton is honestly very cool. I hope we visit there again in my lifetime.
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>>16562592
Wait it's going to be data capable too? I thought it was just calls and texting? Surely it will have terrible speeds, starlink mini sized transceiver is maxing out at like 100/10 and phone is waaaaay smaller.
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>>16562834
Sunset on Triton.
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>>16562841
They always said they will expand the service as more sats and bandwidth become available. RIght now internet test will likely be marginal
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>>16562592
How the fuck does this black magic work? You're saying regular phones have the hardware and power to talk to satellites?
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>>16562852
if the sat antenna are sufficiently capable, yes
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My heart goes out to you

*sends heart to you*
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>>16562413
Government support is a bad thing if you are a real company
They will add all sorts of ridiculous requirements, delays, hoops to jump through, etc
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>>16562852
Yes. Regular unchanged phone. Same way as how they do the text/phone calls via sats with the starlink. Just bit more bandwidth allocation.
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Long March 3B almost squashed some people again

https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1882675423160774786
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>>16562860
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>>16562865
Where is the rocket stage? This could be literally any random explosion. Gay.
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>>16562865
was hoping it would land on the car desu
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>>16562860
this launched from that site near Taiyuan? ive been right by there a few years back and its not so surprising that things keep landing near or on people. its not the most populated area in the country but its still got lots of villages all over the place
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>>16562860
>>16562865
Lol, didnt we have a CCP shill here some time ago that claimed china stopped launching rockets inland so this could not happen anymore?
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>>16562860
Another free booster delivered to the hard working people of China. Is there no end to Xi's generosity?
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sir, the rockets are ready
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>>16562860
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>>16562894
start the next batch
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>>16562880
There are claims that CNSA does not give a flying fuck where the boosters come down because it's in rural areas where human life is worth nothing to the CCP.
And to the people who claim this is bullshit, explain to me, why is it still going on?
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>>16562894
I don't understand this gigabay meme, hasn't sfg been saying all these years that tents were enough??
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>>16562902
Tents are good enough for mexican welders&texan engineers.
but the more delicate californians need climate controlled areas.
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>>16562894
Why are there more boosters than ships?
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>>16562902
It's called vertical integration duh.
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>>16562894
no way this thing doesn't end up with pillars in the middle
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>>16562902
Tents are good enough for oldspace launch cadence, SpaceX doesn't operate on a 1-3 launches a year cadence.
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Really?
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boosters don't need a bay, they need a dedicated launch pad that they sit on

only the orbital vehicle needs a bay for regular maintenance
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>>16562914
Two people make similar videos using images sourced from NASA?
Shocking, I know.
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>>16562914
>clickbait channel copying clickbait channel
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>>16562894
sweet
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>>16562860
send this to CNBC and The Guardian now!!!
oh right, nobody gives a shit unless it's spaceX
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You just know having to return to in person work is making SG5 mald.
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>>16562943
Ohnonononono no more pyjamas and hot chocolate "work"
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>>16562928
It's been almost a day, and neither CNBC, the New York Times, the Guardian, reuters, Washington Post, BBC, CNN, the Wall Street Journal, Business Insider, Forbes, Fox News, Bloomberg, the Associated Press, ABC, USA today, HuffPost, Reddit, NPR, nor Yahoo have reported on this so far. Yet they all did when Starship disintegrated over Turks and Caicos. Concerning...
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banning remote work is dumb.
>no hit on productivity
>happier workers
>less pollution
>can find a better more qualified workforce
>saves money all around

it's one of Elon's L opinions.

t. not even a remote worker
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>>16562961
>no hit on productivity
get in the cage, wagie
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>>16562961
If your job can be done remotely, you're not producing anything but paperwork.
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>>16562915
they need a bay for construction
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>>16562969
or computer diagrams
there's plenty of useful work that can be accomplished remotely
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>>16562961
>no hit on productivity

lol, lmao even
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>>16562961
>Immediate loss of spontaneous problem solving
>No realistic accountability for put in hours
>Increased pressure to be permanently on call
>Poor separation of work and life
It has its upsides, but it also has its downsides, and all of its downsides are magnified by the nature of government jobs.
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>>16562984
Most of it is make believe work and anyone working with the design aspect of engineering would benefit from being on site working with the actual shit even if they're just a CAD monkey.
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>>16562855
>"my heart goes out to you"
couldn't he have done that double hand heart gesture like a normal person?
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>>16562988
it really depends on what you're designing, being on-site won't help you design a trajectory any better
that's spaceguy5's job btw, he plays with trajectory optimization software that somebody else wrote all day
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>>16562987
basically every study of non-manual-labor jobs shows that most humans can only put in 3 hours of actual productive work a day.
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>>16562990
>he plays with trajectory optimization software that somebody else wrote all day
Files under make believe work.
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>>16562961
You're right, but office workers are such tremendous faggots that I support making their lives worse in any way possible.
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>>16562943

Honestly might be a good thing Jared isn't Administrator immediately so Petro is taking the hit for these executive orders herself instead of him
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>>16562990
How is this even a job. Can't you just punch in your dv+target and the computer spits out an optimal trajectory.
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>>16562961
>no hit on productivity
I love WFH but this is absolutely a lie.
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High Bay more like Ha! Gay
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>>16562961
>no hit on productivity
lmao. any day I "work remotely" I smoke weed and play video games while occasionally knocking my mouse around with my foot.
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https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1882925462218997805
After flying to a peak altitude of ~90km, traveling more than 60 km downrange from Starbase, and completing its boostback burn and coast, Super Heavy ignited its landing burn less than 40 meters away from the preflight target.

The Raptor engines and booster guidance system precisely maneuvered the vehicle through the highest wind speeds yet for a Super Heavy landing burn.

Upgrades to the chopstick controls enabled them to start wider and move earlier for catch, expanding the envelope for booster landing burn trajectories.
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>>16563027
>flyback boosters are easier to get working than orbiters
Proof the Shuttle program erred grievously.
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>>16563033
that was obvious even before f9 reuse
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>>16562961
Unironically this. It's one of the few things I disagree with Elon, and I'm a literal 1.
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>>16563029
>>16563028


it's already boring. I'm cooked.
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>>16563029
>lemme just sliiiiiiiiide on in here
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>>16563033
Starship was capable of orbit before Flight 5.
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>>16563028
Look at how hard the bottom of the tower gets blasted. I wonder if it would be worth putting an extension to the deluge system there.
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>>16563027
>Upgrades to the chopstick controls enabled them to start wider and move earlier for catch, expanding the envelope for booster landing burn trajectories.
What's the practical effect of this? Starship can stage later and/or faster, or just that any deviation on the return is less likely to require an ocean abort?
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>General Atomics Successfully Tests Nuclear Thermal Propulsion Reactor Fuel at NASA Marshall Space Flight Center

>SAN DIEGO – 20 Jan 2025 - General Atomics Electromagnetic Systems (GA-EMS) announced today that it has successfully executed several significant high-impact tests at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center (MSFC) to advance the development of Nuclear Thermal Propulsion (NTP) reactor technology for rapid, agile cislunar transportation and deep space missions, including human missions to Mars. Tests were conducted in collaboration with NASA to verify the ability of the GA-EMS design-specific nuclear fuel to meet the high-performance specifications required to withstand the extreme operational conditions expected in space.

>GA-EMS executed several high-impact tests at NASA’s MSFC in Huntsville, AL. The nuclear fuel was tested with hot hydrogen flow through the samples and subjected to six thermal cycles that rapidly ramped-up to a peak temperature of 2600 K (Kelvin) or 4220° Fahrenheit. Each cycle included a 20-minute hold at peak performance to demonstrate the effectiveness of shielding the fuel material from erosion and degradation by the hot hydrogen. Additional tests were performed with varying protective features to provide further data on how different material enhancements improve performance under reactor-like conditions.
https://www.ga.com/ga-successfully-tests-nuclear-thermal-propulsion-reactor-fuel-at-nasa-marshall-space-flight-center
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>>16563046
But it didnt
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>>16563060
>starships for Earth to LEO and Mars to LMO
>slow, gigantic starships for interplanetary cargo
>NTP for crew fast LEO to LMO
kino
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>>16563061
Because SpaceX deliberately chose not to, not because it was unable to.
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>>16562961
It's called a soft layoff
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>>16563060
Wasn't the target temp for DRACO 'only' 3000F?
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aim nuclear salt water reactors at earther cities
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>>16563059
unexpected gusts of wind, engine outs, or lower performance than expected on some engines resulting in the ship/booster not being quite aligned correctly. It's an extra couple of metres or two or leeway which doesn't really affect anything except the final few seconds of return

>>16563027
has there been an honest to god raptor2 failure since ift1? It seems like all of the 'failures' have been because they've been fed icy propellant rather than a failure of the engine itself
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>>16563072
same energy as
>of course I have a girlfriend, you wouldn't know her, she lives in canada
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>>16563076
one day anon, one day...
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>>16563060
Trump pls kill the HEU in space ban. HALEU is a joke.
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unironically how long until elon is allowed to play with nuclear material? or is a nuclear starship something that we'll never see in our lifetimes?
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>>16563086
dragonfly is launching on a falcon heavy, so a couple of years
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New Eager just dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIDZAIG7Hbw
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>>16562961
too many people work for the federal government. something must be done
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>>16563121
TY Eager
liked and subscribed!
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>>16562894
We're mass producing these things, we can do this all day
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>>16562908
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>>16563121
Good video, and JESUS CHRIST, Marshall and Thiokol, what the fuck
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>>16562949
surprisingly, the only non-spaceflight media outlet that reported on this was... India Today lmao
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>>16563094
>they used the Dragon name for the dinky little barrel and not this thing
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>>16563145
It's that easy in rocketry
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Apologize.
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>New Shepard can be used to simulate lunar gravity by rotating the capsule
>nasa will use it to test lunar payloads on the next launch
wait what? shouldnt we be using it more often if it can do that?
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eta til colony drop?
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>>16562437
>>16562442
i wonder if the galduen of the void dev also visits /sfg/...
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>>16562754
>...as all that is needed to quantify that statistic is to not totally disintegrate during reentry, which even the single-use Saturn V rockets were able to achieve.

uhhh what?
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>>16563200
Starshit could never
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>>16562754
Medium should just be banned from any and all websites. It masquerades as a legitimate news site rather than the paid blog service it truly is. May as well be posting fuckin' blogspot or livejournal links.
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>>16563029
What's with that delay in the lowering after it touches down? It seems too late and sudden to simply be a shock absorbing mechanism.
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>>16562205
>>16562342
Awww, Patel is triggered.
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>>16562487
H1B's will never take a company to Mars.
The tech is woefully lacking and an army of Ranjits guarantees the death of innovation for your lord god Elon.
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>>16562852
Regular Phones: No.
Phones with special antennas and better power: Yes.
>>16562853
>>16562859
The question is will "regular" phones work, Raj and Ranjit--the answer is no they will not. You need special antennas and depending on the type of multiplexing you need special components beyond just an antenna. You're not going to take your fucking Iphone and link up with starlink to make phone calls without a serious overhaul.
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>>16562969
You're very stupid if you think this is true at all.
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>>16563282
Meant for >>16563184
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>american manufacturing is growing again
say thank you spaceflight
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>>16563288
thank you president elon
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Ok now this is f***ing epic
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1882723776154243198?t=lwCEgnEeeijEsqus0zvSog&s=19
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>>16563302
thought the moon got destroyed at first but then i realized it was clouds
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>>16562894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXVtpOHQqvY
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>>16563079
>no it's not fair that my argument that starship can't reach orbit is false
>i want it to be true so i can circlejerk with my friends about how spacex cannot make starship orbital even though it can go orbital.
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>>16563184
>guy named Max Faggot
>designed Space Shuttle
>blow 14 people on live TV
can't make this shit up
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>>16563337
Please, it's pronounced "faget"
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>>16562896
The guy crab walking and the guy running backwards into frame gets me everytime someone posts this.
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>>16563349
It's not actually reversed.
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>>16563047
Rocket fire doesnt melt steel beams.
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/sfg/ is dead
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>>16563431
and that's a good thing
modern day /sfg/ is just /pol/tards and elonsimps
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>>16561011
>>16561024
venus is the same size of earth with same gravity. difference is it got fucked up in the planetary crib and now has borked rotation which fails to produce a strong magnetosphere. to protect itself from solar winds that strip the atmosphere of light elements leaving only heavy stuff like co2 behind

venus is quite literally a failed earth and reminder just because you find a rocky planet of earth size in some distant star system does not mean its an actual earth like
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>>16563458
A megaconstellation of solar shade satellites could cool Venus down, causing the CO2 atmosphere to condense and snow out.
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>>16563469
>megaconstellation
in reality what it needs is a gigaconstellation
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>>16563458
Venus is smaller than earth, but not by much
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>>16563479
Raptor 3 will fix this
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>>16563469
That would just create an even worse, planet-sized Antarctica.
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>>16563487
You're not seeing the bigger picture. The dry ice snow could then be packed up into giant snowballs, and then with a mass driver fired into heliocentric orbit and made to intersect with Mars, giving Mars a thick atmosphere suitable for retaining solar heat.
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>>16563479
teraconstellation
(not to be confused with a constellation around terra)
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>>16563497
snowball fight bombardment
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>>16563458
>Venus is a girlfailure
Pagans on suicide watch.
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Two new pads for Horizontally integrated medium/heavy liquid commercial launchers are being built at Wenchang. This will supplement the two that were built last years.

Wenchang has 4 launch pads (CZ-5; CZ-7/8: CZ-8; Multi-user one) and 3 in construction (CZ-10; 2 multi user ones)
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All this trump&elon going to mars stuff is waking up people in the EU to the fact that we are getting left behind.
Lets hope something actually comes of it instead of just debating it in the EU parlement.
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>>16563522
Falcon 9 reuse should have been the wakeup call but the European administrative class are so retardedly corrupt they can't see something even that obvious.
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Why is /sfg/ on /sci/ and not on /g/?
This is clearly not science, it's more engineering.
>but engineers are scientists!
nope, its applied.
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>>16563531
who cares
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>>16563522
>no uk elements
This is island is cucked and neutered beyond belief.
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>>16563531
/g/, the gamer hardware board?
stop trolling
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>>16563531
>/g/
>engineering
Lol, lmao even.
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>>16563531
it should be on /n/
its transport afterall
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new thread is up
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>>16563496
*hyper-constellation, after it gets all seven chaos emeralds

>>16563549
I'm not going to fucking /n/
>>16563540
I'm not going to fucking /g/
>>16563531
Fuck you to DEATH
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>>16563530
The french&italians have lobbied very hard to stop any reusable rockets talk dead in it's track.
The french also have massive sway over the european spage program because of their ownership of french guiana spaceport.

>>16563547
>>16563549
Lol, this is not the first time this has happened.
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>>16563522
no it hasn't lol, we're never getting off this planet.
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>>16563547
/n/, the news board? racist predecessor to /pol/? I think not.
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>>16563549
remind me next time space TRANSPORTATION is happening (crew launch or return) and I’ll post in your thread, anon.
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>>16563531
/sci/ and /g/ is a choice between delirious schizophrenics and self-righteous EDS having midwits.
i'd rather pick /sci/, the schizo's are more entertaining.
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>>16563564
are you the same guy that got really angry when people mocked gravimeme schizodrives ITT?
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>>16563531
>schizo retards vs brainless retards
I'm staying with the schizos, thank you
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>>16563565
I think he's the guy who tried to stage early, was rejected by the thread, then had a huge spergout, spammed the whole board and got himself banned during that starship launch.
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>>16563564
(you) can fuck off
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>>16563553
Which kinda makes it funny that France and Italy are currently the one spending several hundreds of millions on RLV development.

But Germany still has the more mature newspace LSP (although hard to judge until any goes to orbit)

Frankly failure to recognize the RLV paradigm change in the 2010s was at every level of european space industry and organizations.
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>>16563593
>Which kinda makes it funny that France and Italy are currently the one spending several hundreds of millions on RLV development.
Europe has been spending money on these kind of projects for decades now that never go anywhere.
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>>16563531
a starship thread on /n/ will happen when they start selling tickets that cost less than a used car
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>>16563605
Isnt /n/ full of cyclist nazi's anyway?
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>>16563606
who will be the cagie of spaceflight?
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>>16563606
yeah it's going to be based, cyclists on the moon
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>>16563617
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>>16563251
>You're not going to take your fucking Iphone and link up with starlink to make phone calls
Yes you are. This is literally what Starlink direct-to-cell is. It's that easy in telecommunicationry.
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>>16563626
I think it only does text messages, you need a bigger antenna on the ground to get a phone call through
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>>16563624
Cernan would have undoubtedly tried to jump a crater or something
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>>16563627
Pretty sure they did experimented calls already.
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>>16563608
pod people
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>>16561700
10 billion funneled to CIA? impressive !
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>>16563673
When are they draining the swamp?
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>>16563682
Update your software, /pol/tard. Your God emperor wants to go to Mars.
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>>16563469
I've heard that if that happened, the CO2 snow could be up to 80 miles deep.
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>>16563534
Yes, we know.
>>16563549
holy reddit-spacing batman, why don't you save some blank lines for the poor
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>>16563557
No, the trains and bicycles board
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>>16563696
same thing
https://youtu.be/kd0T_w1itUI
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>>16563684
The prudent choice would be never-ever: the flood plain there absorbs tidal and wind driven flooding during a hurricane, and even the existing developments will be completely inundated in a big storm. Getting rid of those plains would make the flooding even worse.
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>>16563705
They should simply displace the sea.
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>>16563673
When did they move hopper?
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>>16563712
A few months ago now, when they started expanding the propellant storage for launching from two pads at the same time.
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>>16563701
>>16563696
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>>16563690
Hyperborean Kino
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>rocket boosters that fly above 80km are hard to recov-
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is the NASA IG out? I cant find the list
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Staging
>>16563887
>>16563887
>>16563887
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>>16563685
Calm down Ranjit,
The only people sucking Elon's cock are you H1Bs.
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>>16563626
>Is going to
>It totally works
Nope
>>16563634
Ranjit, I have been working satcoms before you got your H1B and I am 100% certain you're completely retarded and don't know what you're talking about.
>>16563627
It would need a special antenna. The usual range of a cellphone antenna is about 12 miles--Starlink orbit at about 340 miles.
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>>16563626
It isn't starlink.
They had to build a totally new satellite and it's shit and only does text.
There are better options already on the market for global cellphones or just global texting.
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>>16563905
>>16563893
cringe
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>>16563905
Link budget doesn't give a fuck which antenna has the gain, you dumb nigger.
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>>16563905
>>16563893
>everyone i don't like has stopped being a tranny and is now an indian
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>>16560967
Technically not stranded. There's just happens to be an insane amount of rules when it comes to scheduling launches to and from the ISS. They are getting a ride down in March.
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>>16564020
>>16563933
>>16563920
Behold the wit of H1B.
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>>16563933
It isn't starlink. They built a special satellite and it's total garbage that only does text.

It's very clear you have no idea what link budget is, kumar.
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>>16564046
>totally not stranded
>We just can't get to them anytime soon
Ok Don Lemon
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>>16561578
starlink will make your tiny-hatted masters obsolete, longnose



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