Flight X was a success - editionprevious >>16764680
hey hey
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961023424731771087
Trips and SpaceX makes it to Mars before the year 3000
SPEEEEEEEEEEHS!
>>16768740they shoulda launched two shuttles at the same time and had them race to orbit
Some ESA proposed missions entering the arena.
>>16768746Don't wanna close my eyesI don't wanna fall asleep'Cause I'd miss you, babeAnd I don't wanna miss a thinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujMxXOHJloI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3tmZCjpMf8
>>16768704Even Elmo is a doomer about V3, it's so over.
>>16768746kino
>>16768763Looking at this pic makes me feel like my brain doesn't fully understand large scale 3d geometric perspectives
>>16768762I don't think so, its just that they are going to manufacture V3s for only about 1-1.5 years and if they don't get orbital refilling working quick enough then this mars transfer window passes and when the next one comes around, they are onto v4 (or v5 maybe)
>>16768763>YWN see a crew dragon shuttle rescue missiony even liv?
>>16768704>already admitting they won't get the refueling mastered by the November 2026 window.When did he become such a fucking doomer. All that is left to do now is land the ship on the chopsticks (already proven to be easy as shit) and they can start the refueling tests right away. I can't comprehend why we wouldn't see starships docked together by Q2
>>16768785The learning curve starts again with V3. watch for explosions.
>>16768701Why don't we just dig a tunnel to Mars if space is hard?
>>16768762>>16768772V3 is the production vehicle with R3sV4 is the same overall vehicle but stretched, and ship having more engines and booster trust increasing over time.
>>16768797I unironically doubt anything significant will happen to V3 starship. Raptor 3 solves a lot of the leaking problems and a solution to the nosecone issue was found
>>16768760>I really advise you shut the fuck up before I get mad.I'm shaking like a leaf.
Gravity would have been one of the all time greatest films if the bitch had died at the end sinking in the lake due to GRAVITY. I rewatched the ending recently. Such a catastrophic waste of poetic irony for the cheap 'le good guys win'.
>>16768701Hello guys I was busy these days and missed the flight.How was it?
>>16768803Exploded
>>16768803Good. We won't see a ship landing until at least IFT12 though because V3 isn't ready for flight yet :/
>>16768803I am European and I nearly felt asleep while the launch stream because Felon Husk were stealing my sleep in the previous days and I had to watch it so late. I am European btw
>>16768803the booster and ship both exploded
>>16768809Felon Huskrat must be stopped! He is draining our sleep with scrubs and now our balls with Ani
>>16768701looks so kino
v4 will fix everything
>>16768815You said that with v3 before!
>>16768823Do you think Everyday Astronaut is having this facial expression because he don't want to be associated with them in the picture?
>>16768815>v4 will fix everything
>>16768802the real tragedy was the billions of destroyed space hardware, and eventual economic collapse
>>16768823>No bra What a stem-whore
>>16768802normies don't like "bad" endings
https://x.com/LabPadre/status/1961074014035538340>Army Corps of Engineers have released the proposed plans for launch site expansion. Notably an LNG liquification plant is in the works, as well as changing Pad A mount into the new type with a flame trench.SpaceX originally wanted something this large, but dropped many parts of the plan due to the risk of not getting a launch license at all if the enviromental assessment went sidewaysand people still insist EPA/bureucrats didn't slow anything down
>>16768844
>>16768844not digging a trench was probably also partly due to enviromental assessment shi
>simply not exploding and scattering debris across the planet is a "success" now>this is supposed to be ready for manned flights in a yearthe goalposts have been teleported to the next galaxy at this point
>>16768826It's because his twin brother is there too.
>>16768829Science says that bras are bad for breasts.
>>16768853what would have been a successful test flight for you then?
>>16768829there’s no underwear in space
>>16768826He's probably wondering why there is another one of him.
>>16768844>5 more years of construction workslol, gotta keep Mexicans busy
>>16768853this is a bait post>>16768859that was a bait post
>>16768823LMAOOOO
>>16768844>LCH4 generationWith a sabatier reactor? Is that really worth it?
>>16768829That's gotta be Tims GF right? Why else would she find herself in this repulsive crowd?
>>16768844Thanks for the info LabPadre. Very useful not to link it.
>>16768859A catch>>16768863Cope
>>16768866Maybe they will get Casey to do it.https://cleanenergyreview.io/p/terraform-industries
>>16768844https://www.swg.usace.army.mil/Portals/26/docs/regulatory/PN%20August/SWG-2012-00381_20250819_PN%20Figures.pdf
>>16768871As far as I can tell his machine is not ready, no field deployments yet.And supposedly Tom Mueller was working on that.
>>16768866no, its just purifying liquified natural gas
>>16768829you just know she gets passed around like crazy
>>16768871I doubt it. Terraform is all about being power intensive and cheap in capital, scaling up output with available solar power. SpaceX doesn't care if the plant is costly if it enables good continuous output for the footprint.
did we ever get an explanation for the aft end of starship fucking exploding?
>>16768870retard
>>16768873lol
>>16768876Yeah it's probably this. Does the document say something about a LNG pipeline then?
>>16768882no
>>16768881Whoops.
>>16768879The only plausible one I've heard is one of the dummy sats hit it lolTheres really nothing there that should be able to explode so some sort of impact is the only explanation that makes sense.
>>16768881Did you read the whole thing? If it was posted, then it means they got the approval.
>>16768888It's the raptor chill lines TSE is a retard, just because he can't imagine how they would explode doesn't mean they didn't
>>16768879hullo thinks there’s an oxygen vent line there that may have been what exploded
>>16768704>150m tall-_-Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.Vn will be sub-SLS tier.
>>16768889its over
>>16768844It's smart to build as much as possible when Trump still in power.
>>16768890Theres no raptor chill line there.
>>16768904There is in my head.
>>16768904Yes there is a vent line there of the raptor chill system faggot
>V2 redeemed (before V3 experiences the same shit) >Starlink hits 7m>30th reuse of a boosterPretty good week for SpaceX.
>>16768844Yeah they had to work around the limitations of environmental assessment. Now that they're progressing, hopefully they'll bring more localization of the fueling process.
>>16768907There clearly is not
>>16768844>>16768873>>16768881SpaceX hasnt released them, so this is likely poor IT on Army's part.
>>16768888Those dummies have no propulsion and they were drifting away slowly relatively to the ship how would they cause an impact with so much energy?
when exoplanets are discovered in a system and named b.c.d.e etc, what happens if more planets are discoveered closer to the star than the b planet? do all of the already catalogued planets get renamed?
>>16768918I think the order is based on discovery, not distance, so you might end up with >star>planet A>planet B>planet E>planet Cif E were discovered later due to being tiny or whatever
>>16768844Justice for the fauna and animals of Boca Chica!
>>16768704So we're looking at the 2028 window.
>>16768748>>16768749>leo shitWho cares.
>>16768823Name.Now.
>>16768918They are named in order of discovery. I think they are only renamed if one's exietence is refuted.
>>1676890830th reuse of a singular booster and 400th reuse overall
Anyone else read this? I just finished it and loved it, looking forward to the movie starting Ryan "Literally me" Gosling.
>>16768944no because it's an inaccurate depiction of first contact. Star trek did it right decades ago
remor has it that elon intentionally sabotaged the past few flight tests so that flight "X" would be the memorable one
>>16768844this is a pretty big deal, to finally fit out this site for volume launching, provided reusability happens.The LNG liquefaction/purification implies a natural gas pipeline will be extended to the site as well, I guess that permission happened tooPretty good news, and interesting they had to rotate the flame trench for pad 1, but at least they can reuse the tower, probably with chopped chopsticks and a full refit up to spec and improved with early lessons learned when pad 2 starts launching V3sThey neglected to picture the ASU on the map, but hopefully 100% of the oxygen and nitrogen is made there too, so the trucks can be largely gone (no Tesla semis with self driving, because fuck truck drivers, this is an even bigger kick in the balls to them)
>>16768949of course shitlon blumpsk would sabotage his entire program just to own the heckin liberals with his epic letter X obsession
>>16768948Shoot all xenos, take their shit
>>16768949
>>16768964shitlib comics are so out of touch it's unreal
>>16768964>implying mars will have a return trip option
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/investigations/article/elon-musk-flood-tunnels-boring-wesley-hunt-20372260.phphe can't keep getting away with it (saving tax payers money)
>>16768964honestly most of these problems can be solved with remigration. if you get rid of the millions of immigrants in europe trains will be less crowded, healthcare lines will be shorter, crime will plummet. unfortunately energy will never be solved because europoor governments are retarded
whyis there such a fuss about 3i atlas being big or whatever? is t not just common sense that planet sized objects can form in interstellar space or be ejected into it?
>>16768970germans are so retarded
>>16768975sure but the odds of one coming this close to our solar system are very low, because, yknow, space bigI don't think it's an alien space probe or whatever because that makes zero sense even from the ufo angle.It's entirely inconsistent with what people commonly report. why would a civilization capable of making craft that can do 5000G accelerations make something so abysmally slow that looks and acts exactly like a large comet? Why send it our way when they are (presumably) already here?
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/08/with-recent-falcon-9-milestones-spacex-vindicates-its-dumb-approach-to-reuse/>Many people in the industry were skeptical about SpaceX's approach to reuse. In the mid-2010s, both the European and Japanese space agencies were looking to develop their next generation of rockets. In both cases, Europe with the Ariane 6 and Japan with the H3, the space agencies opted for traditional, expendable rockets instead of pushing toward reuse.
>>16768983https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1961080762217664604>In the United States, the main competitor to SpaceX has historically been United Launch Alliance. Their reaction to SpaceX's plan to reuse first stages a decade ago was dismissive. The company's engineers wrote papers and performed studies that argued SpaceX's plans were impractical.
>>16768984To be fair they all assumed the entire market had converged to GEO where SpaceX's staging early strategy doesn't workIt turns out making LEO cheap makes constellations vastly more useful and cheap than massive GEO sats
>>16768948>innacurate depiction of a thing that has never happened
>>16768984What the fuck is that graph supposed to be showing? How in the flying fuck is a high reused to expended ratio supposed to increase costs? It makes no sense.
>>16768970will germans ever go back to being based like they were in the 30s and 40s?
>>16768984Say what you want about the graph but it's pretty much accurate. SpaceX gamed the graph by having an insane cadence. Before they entered this phase I'm certain reuse was costing them more than it was worth. Most of the cost of the launch is infrastructure and staff rather than the manufacture of the rocket. Unless you are slinging up a rocket ever 2 days like SpaceX now does then the manufacture cost is a small fraction of that.
>>16768949God I love deranged esl posts
>>16768989A reused rocket of equivalent capability is more expensive to build than an expended rocket. The cost recovery isn't just the cost of building the rocket divided by the number of times it launches, but all the other associated expenses incurred as well. The basic logic of the chart is sound but all the data points ULA chose are dubious at best. What ULA did have to make it make sense to them was Starlink.
>>16768989Flyback comes with a massive payload penalty. On Falcon they lose about a third of their potential per flight by booster reuse. The infrastructure cost of recovering an entire booster rather than just engines is also greater.
>>16768992ULA is not dominated by launch operations costs, but by maintaining a staff that builds rockets. If they reuse rockets they either have to retain that staff that does nothing, or they have to make do with fewer people.
>>16768987think about it this way>earth 4 gorillion years old>universe 14 Ga (we think)>earth has had visible biosignatures for at least 2.5 billion years>probability that alien civilizations are younger than us is significantly less than the probability they are older because of how recent human civilization emerged + age of the universe>mean time between civilizations emerging should be large due to technological intelligence being rareAny aliens out there should be WAY older than us and they have had literally millions or even billions of years to discover earth with vastly more advanced technology at a even more vast scale. forget james webb, they could automate and build tens of thousands of huge planet finder telescopes, all linked together and coordinated, sending data to a super advanced machine learning algo which could easily discover any traces of life on any planet around any star visible to them. The most likely situation is they are already here and simply haven't initiated open contact for whatever reason. most likely because they have nothing to gain from contact.
>>16769001The first two generations of stars (population III and population II) are not thought to have enough chemical diversity to create emergent properties like life. Population I stars, like our sun, should have sufficient metallicity (astronomically, everything that isn't hydrogen or helium) to support chemically interesting phenomena like life. If that's correct, life can't be very old, cosmically speaking.
>>16769001hear me out: big mike is right, and the reason we see no ayys communicating over the electromagnetic spectrum is because they communicate over the quantum vacuum. He claims quantised inertia can have instantaneous effects across space, so if thats the case you would have to be a retard to use muh radio.
>>16768990Maybe if they would kill government officials
>>16769004I'll hear you out if anything about QI actually works. "Just one more experiment bro" doesn't cut it.
>>16769003we could be the first.Maybe a reason we see zero galaxies with signs of intelligent engineering is because they are all too far in the past. Maybe now some of them already have galactic overlords.
>>16769001earth spent 1 billion years only having microorganisms. odds are aliens are no more complex than fungi.
>>16769011
>>16768968
>>16769001They explained that in the book anon
>>16769013your dad is no more complex than my sex toy.
>>16769011>>16769003james webb observations are killing this whole theory btw. they are finding very mature galaxies and very mature stars way earlier than predicted. More than likely our entire model of the early universe will need to be rewritten.>>16769004interesting to think about. They totally use telepathy though. everyone reports that. >>16769013earth is 4.6 billion years old. the universe is 14 billion, probably older. very unlikely that there aren't other intelligent civilizations out there and that's only accounting for natural evolution. Once one civilization emerges they have the ability to artificially seed intelligence which makes it very difficult to actually determine just how many civilizations actually exist with traditional estimation techniques like the drake eq
>>16769021>james webb observations are killing this whole theory btw. they are finding very mature galaxies and very mature stars way earlier than predicted. More than likely our entire model of the early universe will need to be rewritten.I'm aware of/understood mature galaxies to be fully formed and dynamically stable. What's this about the stars themselves?
>>16769021You aren't looking for intelligence or civilization, but an intelligence and civilization that seeks to advance in technology and grow in scale.
>>16768999>ULA is not dominated by launch operations costs, but by maintaining a staff that builds rocketsSpaceX likely builds more first stages than ULA despite reuse due to the sheer volume of launches they do, and each of those launches needs a new second stage anyway.
>>16769025should be the default, you dont get technology without curiosity and curiosity doesn't just shut off once you get fancy technology>>16769024Sorry I misremembered. They found very early galaxies with higher than expected metallicity.
>>16769028The commonality between the Falcon 9's first and second stages is an enormous boon to maintaining technical expertise and competence with manufacturing new rockets and stages. That's one of the biggest things that the rest of the industry got wrong.
just watch Contact if you want to know how a more advanced civilization will get to talk to us
>>16768975I guess midwits just want ayyliums to be real so that they won't feel so bad about watching all those Marvel capeshit movies, or maybe they feel like it will prove that they're the main character
>>16769029>should be the default, you dont get technology without curiosity and curiosity doesn't just shut off once you get fancy technologyYou do get intelligence and some form of civilization with neither curiosity or technology. Case in point: Africa.
>>16768970Nuclear? We don't do that in Germany.Spaceflight? We don't do that in Germany.
>>16769034sure but that is one component of the human species and ultimately the component with curiosity and technology won out and dominated. this will tend to be the norm in general. The expansionists will always win against non expansionists because non expansionists don't expand. at some point the non expansionists either die out or are completely out numbered. This will be the case for us as well once we start colonizing other planets. 1000 years from now we will have luxury pleasure domes on mars and the africans will still be in mudhuts
>>16768981>he is not ayypilled on different aliens with different tech levels
>>16769039maybe if you throw artificially induced intelligence into the mix you can have civilizations that are somewhat close in technology levels but that would also imply there are a TON of civilizations out there. It's not really as plausible as them being significantly more advanced IMHO.
>>16769038Population curves aren't backing up this assertion.
>>16769043thats a great filter whether or not we say no to the endless hordes of sub 80 iq migrants and colonize the stars or submit and let them ruin any chance we have at getting off this rock.
>>16768882
GET THE FUCK IN HERE!!!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PeCyRjfGIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PeCyRjfGIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PeCyRjfGIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PeCyRjfGIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_PeCyRjfGI
Mars belongs to humans. Don't let miserable leftists tell you otherwise.
$RKLB to the moon!
>>16769064Wen Venus
>>16768968Houston is such a shithole, it needs to be nuked t. live here
>>16768944Oh fuck. I loved Martian, didn't get far into Artemis. 15 minutes in now and in full attention. Thanks!
>>16769054I just blew liquid diarrhea shit out my asshole
>>16769056dusty rover
>>16768983>the usual ArseTechnica EDS/TDS comment posterswew
>>16769070Future missions will use human-derived methane for propulsion
>>16769074They don't get banned despite openly calling for people to get killedSo much for those new moderation policies
>>16769069>That engine layoutI'm guessing V3 still doesnt have 6 rvacs?
>>16769079v3 is just v2 with new raptors and some of the weight shaved off
>>16769064the world's first carbon composite water tower, incredible
>>16769077The customer is always right
>>16768964I'm not reading all that
>>16769079You can't pack 6 Rvacs and still have gimbals for landing
>>16769039lets have fun for a bit /sfg/. Which of these do you think are real, if any?
>>16769090None. Humans (European) are the only life in the universe.
>>16769087>>16769081But for like 2 years theywere shilling 6 rvacs. Another Felon lie?
LANDING VIEWS POSTEDLANDING VIEWS POSTEDLANDING VIEWS POSTED
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1961165064666312956>View of Starship landing burn and splashdown on Flight 10, made possible by SpaceX’s recovery team. Starship made it through reentry with intentionally missing tiles, completed maneuvers to intentionally stress its flaps, had visible damage to its aft skirt and flaps, and still executed a flip and landing burn that placed it approximately 3 meters from its targeted splashdown point
>>16769099>>16769100Cocaine is a hell of a drug
>>16769099>>16769100orange is corrosion dust confirmed. From the low quality stream images it looked like the heat shield was way more damaged than it does here. Looks like it held up really well. Also the damage from the skirt explosion is clearly visible here
>>16769102this is fake
>>16769099>>16769100>>16769102okay but seriously, why is it orange?
>>16769106rust
>>16769106It wants to beat CHYNA
>>16769099what is this white shit all over the top of it?
>>16769099>>16769100>>16769102>>16769107so... much... aura...VGH... STVRSHIP
>>16769108makes me wonder how well stoke's design will hold up. If super corrosion eats away at exposed steel in plasma like this during reentry even when actively cooled that could pose a major problem for them
>>16769099>>16769100>>16769102Why it looks like CGI?
>>16769115look up "Starship landing animation" on youtube and show me a video that comes close to looking like that
>>16769107lewd starship upskirt
>>16769106Okay rust seems to be it, but the better question is why is it white?
>>16769099>reusable>damaged and coated with a layer cosmic body rustFor now, let's just consider Starship an expendable upper stage.
>>16769127my guess is that it had something to do with the experimental tiles they put on thereThe ones on the nose cone must've been a different material than the ones on the belly
>>16769113might just be a question of flowrate or maybe the tile malfunctioned in some way
>>16769127used a fire extinguisher for active cooling
>>16769113Stoke is about to find out why the fathers of modern rocketry in the 60s never took this active cooling shit seriously, and I will be laughing all the way.
>>16769135I'm sure they've thoroughly tested it before embarking on a new ambitious rocket design(lol thanks for the money suckers)
>>16768984I am so smart,S-M-R-T,I mean S-M-A-R-T.
Explain to me why the heatshield needs to be reusable?just make it cheap and easy to swap and treat it like a consumable, like the fuel.
How many times has ULA used SMART on their missions?
>>16769107>Fade to black before the explosionLame.
>>16769138it's honestly so funny that they put 10 flights there like they thought it was an unachievable number of reuses.what are we on now? 30?>>16769142RAPIDLY reuseable anon. if they have to replace the entire heatshield every flight that isn't exactly "rapid"
>>16769143dont worry anon, ULA will finally start saving tons of money with SMART reuse any day now. surely this will save them from bankruptcy
>>16769145which is better, a rapidly reusable “shlv” with a 35 ton capacity, or a vehicle that takes 2 days of maintenance between flights and can lift 150 tons?
>>16769102it even had a rainbow at the end. Amazing
Girls were hot wearing less than bikinisRockman lovers driving Lamborghinis
>>16769149The air force will literally fund their corpse if they come close to bankruptcyThat's how much they value alternatives
>>16769135Yeah sort of a blackpill.Like rocket combustion chambers always run fuel rich so they don't eat themselves.This plasma is even hotter and 20% oxygen...
>>16769154lets be real BONG can do everything vulcan can do and will inevitably replace ULA as the designated lose-, I mean "alternative"
>>16769143"No more questions! Remove that interloper!"
>>16769151Probably unironically the rapidly reusable one.It's gonna be more than 35 tons though trust the plan
>>16769115Because you're a retarded nigger.
>>16769102Why did it tilt over at the end of the landing burn? Flight 5 and 6 landings seemed more controlled than this.
>>16769158the only thing even remotely interesting ULA is doing is the inflatable heatshield. One of the biggest barriers to in-space manufacturing is downmass capability, and inflatable heatshields are a big deal in that department. I dont think starship is designed for large amount of down mass since they rely heavily on it being mostly empty when they land.>>16769163they probably were. remember they put a ton of extra stress on this one on purpose.
>>16769156Also the shockwave will attach at their nose cone.They're gonna need silica tiles there which begs the question why not put them on the bottom too and avoid the shitty ass expander cycle engine and dragon dildo shaped rocket
NB from the Ars comments:>George Sowers, one of the ULA engineers in question, shared a version of the formula used to make that chart over on NSF. It includes some very silly assumptions.>For example, they applied the cost and performance penalties for booster recovery to the last flight of the booster. That means that on its final flight, the booster would fly with all recovery hardware, be recovered, and then never used again.>Once those assumptions are reverted back to reality, Sowers' own formula shows that booster reuse beats expending even if you only get 2 flights (1 reuse) per booster - and it is always cheaper than SMART.
>>16769163did you see the fins? did you forget that the engines ate a load of skirt before starting up? did you forget that this is the first time this fin design has been tested? it’s a marvel they got as close to their target as they did.
>>16769163It was off target for some reason.Probably cause they did s-turns like the Sh*ttle for the first timeThe G-Fold algorithm did its best at the end there with a divert.That's why it's 3 meters off not like a few centimeters that the booster does.
>>16769163Anon consider which direction the chopsticks face relative to its direction of travel, it has to translate sideways after flipping because they won't have it falling directly over the tower.
>>16769170It was fully under TVC control at that time.Had to be an intentional maneuver to not miss the LZ even further.
>>16769167On the right is interesting. Dat thigh gap.
>>16769169https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=37390.0
>>16769004still falling like a rock QI schizo
"Why a four-year-old child could understand this report! Run out and find me a four-year-old child, I can't make head or tail of it.”
>>16769169>>16769179brutal
>>16769157It will be funny as fuck when on one of Musks chimpouts in 2030 he orders the cancellation of Falon Heavy, and every subsequent high energyorbit contract has to be done by Starship with like 15 refueling trips.
>STOP ASKING QUESTIONS GOYwhy are they like this?
>>16769125"No! Not in there!"
>>16769106There was a tile. That was special.
>>16769183trust in big mike
>>16769068I don't know if I actually like it here or if it's just lifelong Stockholm syndrome. Everyone I know who leaves Houston eventually comes back.
>>16768990Germany died with Bismarck.
>>16769188>every subsequent high energy orbit contract has to be done by Starship with like 15 refueling trips.starship can carry like 5+ kick stages.
>>16769190Some people hate using their brains, and find it offensive when other people try to do it
>>16769195Considering that Germany began with Bismarck, it's probably safe to say that Germany was just a mistake. Everyone associated with the German problem would be happier if Germany was just a collection of eclectic minor principalities bound together into a loose and dysfunctional confederation.
>>16769190>rebuking curiosity on a spaceflight subforumgrim
>>16769163>>16769173Yeah this is right, spacex said on stream the flip is more aggressive because its simulating a tower catch, if something goes wrong the ship is pointed in the direction of GTFO
>>16769099>still executed a flip and landing burn that placed it approximately 3 meters from its targeted splashdown point3 or 1000 meters. Still sounds like critical mission failure and loss of all crew.
Well... Did it?
>>16769143So unfair how nobody ever complains and bory truno and ULA out there, like, they've been promising this shit for the last 10 years and yet they still haven't delivered. Ohh, but ol' musky misses some random deadline by a couple of weeks/months and everybody calls him a conman. Completely bewildered.
>>16769196Musk would not be happy with that
>>16769193TWO WEEKS
>>16769204What a clown
>>16769204lmao. thundertroon didnnnt even bother waiting until the high qaulity images came out>>16769206he's not paying for them. other companies are already designing starship class kick stages iirc.
>>16769204Did Tinderfoot make a complete fool of himself again?Yes.
>>16769206https://x.com/ScottLikedSLS/status/1961182823211294819>Trying to identify the missing tile test spotsLooks like the red is the result of an experimental tile ablating in interesting ways, and the white is probably the result of missing tile damage.
>>16769001>The most likely situation is theydon't exist. If advanced aliens exist but are hiding from us then our model of physics has to be massively incorrect. I really hope aliens do exist (I want to fuck them) and that our model of physics is wrong (no FTL is gay as fuck) but I don't have very high hopes.>>16769004QI universe would be so fucking kino.
>>16769213Ablating or residue from active cooling.
>>16769214>our model of physics has to be massively incorrect.ok but it totally is>I want to fuck themI have good news for you
>>16769204thunderfoot doesn't even care that he doesn't care anymore. Even a pseud would see white and orange and realize they don't know what they are looking at and stay silent on it. He just posts immediately. The guy is unembarrassable at this point and 95%+ negative comments on some content telling him exactly why he's retarded hasn't changed anything. I feel sorry for any audience members that remember his good content and drop in now, it might take a while for them to realize something is really wrong.
>>16769204w-why did you like that tweet, anon?
>>16769218I should mention this is reported by quite literally every "legit" abductee by researchers. you get a designated ayy waifu to sexo.
>>16769218Hot>>16769214>(no FTL is gay as fuck)Kill yourself. Your opinion is retarded as fuckFTL is like cheating in a game, it ruins it
>>16769228That's an autistic position even by /sfg/ standards.
>>16769219Berger also claimed that the tiles were gone for some reason. I don't really get it as the ship would get immediately BTFO if that many tiles were lost.
casey handjob demands that dim todd and that new lady from the starship stream get naked and fuck while he takes photos of them. do you agree?
>>16769204can he go back to debunking portable air conditioners please
>>16769234>homophobia eyesit really is all the rage these days
>>16769234two shades of brown, very impressive
>>16769228too bad. no dyson spheres and no space elevators for you. they are retarded as fuck when you have anti-grav space dorito. no need to construct a space elevator when you have infinite upmass
bros.... Our response?
>>16769204Same guy who said F9 was just a Mercury-Redstone with modern engines, everyone.
>>16769244yeah exactly.>>16769229see above, FTL is gay as hell
>>16769099>>16769100why is it covered in bird shit
>>16769153>Dr. Pavel, I'm ULA
>>16769099>>16769100>>16769102>>16769107Worth noting that it doesn't look like there was any significant damage to the forward flaps after reentry this time, so we could maybe say that the V2 flap design change has been validated. Not entirely sure what happened with the aft flaps since they didn't have any major burn-through issues on flights 4-6 that I remember, but perhaps the "energetic event" in the skirt before reentry caused some initial structural damage to them that allowed the later burn through to happen.
>>16768983>>16768984lel
>>16769266To be fair, whether you would recover a booster on its last flight is a complicated question. First you would need to find out how many times you can re-use a booster before it shits the bed, so that means recovery until failure until your sample size is good enough, then your data becomes less useful as you improve the boosters design so it's even more durable. And then whenever you think your boosters give up the ghost, they may be used for expendable flights or they may not, depends on customers and timing. Also lets say it wasn't an expendable booster but you decided to assume it would shit the bed this flight and you don't try to recover it? What if you were wrong? That's a wasted flight. The only way to be sure you're getting the maximum flights out of a booster is attempt to recover it and fail.
>>16769265the back of the starship was on fire for the entire duration of the flight. There was a big fire in the engine skit during the burn to orbit which seems to have kept burning until touchdown. Just 10 mins into flight you can clearly see discoloration on the steel of the back end of the rear flap, which only grows with time as if the inside of the flap was on fire. This fire is probably the cause of the energetic event too.
>>16769271No the discoloeation happens during hot staging.
>>16769198>dysfunctional confederationIsn't that just modern Germany?
>>16769265Yup there was an overpressure on both sides by the way.This is the opposite side of where the explosion happened, the steel is visibly bulging.This is what blew out the flap on that side first.Also crazy that nobody has posted this
>>16769219The guy is a failed academic drinking himself to death in Czechia, his brain is turning to soup and online engagement is all he has left
>>16769276I don't like it when people come at Thunderf00t with the gotcha that he isnt woking a paid position in academia. If anything the fact that he does his science for free reflects positively on his character.
>>16769099reentry is so based honestly, the plasma is hot but it doesn't exert much dynamic pressure at all.you basically halve your delta-v requirement thanks to the atmosphere.so FUCK "the moon" , "mercury" and all other fagass airless bodies
>>16769234Casey does have the hypergooner physiognomySent from my Moto G10 using Tapatalk
>>16769279He IS doing a paid position in academia, that's the sad part. "Part of a research group," man is a permanent grad student. He couldn't ever land a professorship and likely stopped trying a long time ago.
>>16769234>>16769239Her pupil is probably just fucked up a la david bowie, making it look like it’s two different colors when it’s really just one bad eye She’s hot tho damn, i’ll put that sparkle right back in your eye girl
big happening at JSCcould be layoffs
>>16769298we're about to see a huge increase in space consultancies
>>16769298It's getting nuked along with the rest of houston. Orion nuclear pulse stage zero, glass the whole city
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961218572467999042>The Starship landing video in the Indian Ocean was taken from a camera bolted to a Starlink terminal sitting in a kiddie pool
>>16769305the area is a hotbed for space startups. spaceport houston is popping off.
>>16769307
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961217495383322755>Worth noting that the heat shield tiles almost entirely stayed attached, so the latest upgrades are looking good! The red color is from some metallic test tiles that oxidized and the white is from insulation of areas where we deliberately removed tiles.
>>16769307did the front fall off?
>>16769313Yes. This was Ship 31 from Flight 6.
>>16769309the ass end of the ship looks nice. beginning to look like a real space ship and not the trash can business end of starhopper.
>>16769312thunderfooters, our response?>>16769315>he doesn't know
>>16769309>>16769307These are from a previous flight.
>>16769318Correct>>16769314
>>16769317doesnt know what?
>>16769064Feels so frickin' good man.>tfw up 83% since I bought in.I need to start doing research into space insurance, with the increasing pace of private flights/launches and the expansion of the space economy, it would probably be a good idea to get in on that side of the business.
>>16769321V3 ship and booster are gonna be mostly naked according to shelon.
>>16769317
>>16769324The engines sure, but I would imagine the bottom of the tank would still be shielded so it doesnt blow up during hotstaging
>>16769309lewd upskirt shot
>>16769327they probably want to shed as much shielding as possible otherwise they will never get 100T payload capacity.
>>16769329yeah, it's going to be quite tough to get to 80T of payload. I'm hoping.
>>16769245>>16769204THVUNDERCHVD VINDICATED.say sorry.
>>16769325it's incredible how he ALWAYS doubles downs
>>16769333wow 80% is a lot less than I remember>>16769332whole stack is gonna need to go on a major diet but I think doubling from 35-40 to 80T with iteration is 100% doable. they did it with falcon. Even if they max out at 80t to LEO that is still gonna be a huge deal
>officer, Billions must die- chudlien
>>16769340>doubling from 35-40 to 80T with iteration is 100% doableI'm a starship doomer by /sfg/ standards but I think this is likely and will hopefully come to pass. Then they will do the wider diameter variant to finally push over 100T and beyond. 15-35T is full on sucidie fuel doomed program territory, but 80T fully and rapidly reusable is at the point where the vehicle could become economically viable. Worth remembering through that it's far from the 200T promise of ITS.
>>16769342I recall it was 250T
>>16769343>>16769342was ITS even 9m?
>>16769345I just checked it's 12mwhy did they go for 9m then wtf
>>16769345going from memory I think it as 12m.>>16769343Crazy. There was such optimism. take me back.At the time Musk was bragging about the upper stage being an SSTO by itself. I wish it were actually true.
>>16769349relax, we already have SSTO. It's just wrapped up in black projects and will never see the light of day
>>16769348>why did they go for 9m then wtfGot trapped for years with zero structural progress because their 12m carbon composite tanks kept exploding. As a result they reduced the scale of the ship hugely. Check out 2017 ITS, it's the smallest version of the design there ever was.Then Musk had a big chimpout and fired every single person working in the carbon composite team. But sadly never upped back to the original diameter when switching buld material to stainles steel. Maybe Zubrin had something to do with it? He's always been lobbying for a smaller Starship.
>>16769348Descoping when they realized NASA wasn't willing to invest early, so they went to a 9M carbon fiber structure, and then they realized that steel was way better but never reverted to 9 meters because they weren't willing to re-scope to an even more ambitious rocket again.
>>16769348Purely a retard vibe take from me, but the voice in my head says that if you need a rocket a little smaller you're fucked because it's not worth it to remake a rocket a little smaller. But if you need it a little bigger you just make it fucking huge and it covers that use case.This is not legal or financial advice
>>16769353aahhhh good ol' San Pedro days.
>>16769353zubrin wants a 3 stage starship where starship deploys a smaller starship honestly that's a genuinely good idea for the first few missions to mars and it makes me wonder why spaceX has never brought it up. solves the issue of starship needing 10 jillion tons of prop as well as the "oops I made crater while lifting off" problem.
the state of /sfg/
>>16769358Dawg you need OSHA-approved confined space entry training just to climb in this thing
>>16769363I don't get it.
>>16769365the point is having a smaller lander instead of a monstrously huge one for the first missions to mars is a good idea
>>16769367>>16769368A ring of like 50 to 100 cameras could get you bullet-time matrix footage of a landing burn.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961220199459500360>The orange color is rust from rapid oxidation of metallic test tiles
>>16769376And what about the cum?
>>16769376Stoke bros it's so fucking over
>>16769372It fascinates me how payloads can communicate with satellites flying in orbit. I think dragonfly is going to communicate directly with Earth, no relay satellite around Titan or Saturn. It's fascinating how humans were able to figure this out.
>>16769358This would be rational and an extremely good idea for Artemis too, but Musk won't allow it.
>>16769312>>16769378>The red color is from some metallic test tiles that oxidized and the white is from insulation of areas where we deliberately removed tiles.>the white is from insulation of areas where we deliberately removed tiles.
>>16769379We are no longer stoked...
>>16769367The Shuttlefication is nearing its final form
>>16769380look up how many fractions of a watt from voyager we collect with the DSN to listen in on em. It's wild.
>>16769381I dont see what's stopping NASA from telling welon to use starship to shuttle blue moon mk2 to the moon
>>16769389Isn't it past your bed time, luke?
>>16769389needs the chunk of flap missing
>>16769391speaking of DSN when is a private company gonna come in and massively upgrade it's capability? art 1 took up almost all of the available bandwidth.I suppose starlink could be used as the new DSN to some degree but you are always gonna want backup antennas anyway just in case there is an outage or some issue with the laser link
>>16769107I see a gas leak starting just before the hovering.
>>16769379oh no! stokes rocket is going to… turn orange?who cares
fuck you
but I wanted lemon-lime
>>16769393They should but won't. And blue would probably sue over such a decision.
>>16769325>Copper(I) oxide is a reddish-yellow compound found in the mineral cuprite, while Copper(II) oxide is a black solid known as tenorite. So -- it's Copper Oxide I. Foot the Chemist missed that?
I remember being annoyed as hell that I had to memorize -ides -ates- and the other suffixes in Chem 1
Copper(I) Oxide (Cuprous Oxide) Appearance: Yellow or redUses: Component of antifouling paints for ship hullsStarship is now safe from barnacles.
>>16769325Isn't he silly?
>>16769419makes sense to use marine technology since starships are steel ships sitting next to the ocean all day
>>16769193This was the moment I gave up on IVO, there is no movement and that's after a 2+ month period of doing fuck all, honestly I think they have tried every setup, every voltage and every test objective and found zero results, from initial input power to full power, nothing. IDK if it means an issue with the test setup or just that the propellantless drive itself is flawed but either way disappointing
>>16769429I think I found the problem. It lacks propellant.
>>16769429Fully expecting the cope mode to start soon, from both IVO dude and McCullough, inconclusive/need to retest see you for 2026-2027 retest maybe
>>16769431Why would you need propellant to propel a spacecraft?
>>16769431Kek
>>16769438vacuum_behind_toy_car_with_balloon_on_it.webmSEEE!?!!!
>>16769440Tape outgassing, you could even say
>>16769438quadcopter drones don't need it and they're basically spaceships. time for the industry to catch up.
>>16769438this.Lockheed and the other big military contractors have had reactionless drives for decades now they just don't want us to know about
well goodnight anons, I'm off to Taco Bell for some grub. I'm feeling good about starship.
>>16769100looks as if the plasma flow itself had left some marks
> I'd be shocked if they re-flew an engine before 2030.berger on ULA
>>16769089They're going to blow superheated steam and toxic rocket exhaust over nesting sea turtles??? WTF!
>>16769461hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah
why don't they just use refractory bricks? they are cheap af. kinda heavy too, but the ship is made of iron, so, whatever.
Just do spray on ablative SOFI and after like 10 flights pull them into the maintenance VAB and spray the bellies down again
>>16769469they got engine block paint in spray cans down at the auto part store, its high temp bro
I just realized something. I've never tasted Tang
the answer is obviously hot swappable heat shields just like EVs have with their batteries
>>16769440 I love that webm. It’s right up there with the syringe in a vacuum chamber one.
>>16768803Elon just talked about bitcoins for four hours, there wasnt even a rocket
>>16769479My money was doubled and I have a new AI panda toy
>>16769366bro can't handle shitposts
>>16769442terry howard, is that you?
>>16769442we should just fill space with air and use drones to get around everywhere
>>16769494
How the Starship 10 bets resolved. That Booster Explodes bet did end up being free money.
>>16769509>no hopper
>>16769472wow it's amazing how much its branding changed over the decades
>>16769516
>>16769127Since the nosecone was pretty much the leading edge the white ones probably actually have the ceramic ablated away and thus the silica showing.>>16769286Someone post the pic with all the cooming rockets in the background
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irkB-iMGsOQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2j18FfMkYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpD_KYbsuzQlunar war makes me so fucking hardplease tell me i am not the only onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kEQkkfKkp8like this shit is pure sex
>>16769530the first military space ship should be called the USSF Spear of Destiny because it sounds cool and we desperately need halo style 3 word naming schemes in real life
>>16769534agreed we need to make space aryan again
>>16769389can I save this image?
>>16769541only if you want a fat assed anime starship girl to sit on your face
Favourite Apollo quote?For me it's this.
wtf is this true?https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/jupiter-sized-rogue-planet-detected-entering-our-solar-system/ar-AA1LjNRF
>>16769547>msn
>>16769548why would Microsoft lie tho?
>>16769547It's Nibiru!!!!
good news anon!i found a new artist :3
>>16769561guh!amirite?
>>16769561>>16769562
>>16769547I hope it tosses Mars completely out of the solar system. Put an end to this "occupy Mars" nonsense.
>>16769567i dunno anon, i think its pretty good
>>16769561furGOD gem
>>16769571>new armstrong v2lol bezos is never going to swallow his pride and let that happen
The longshot guy talks way too much on twitter.Someone should bring up under his posts that his brother he hired into "Longshot Space" went to prison for CSAM
>>16769571BONG rip in one month. Wish Bezos would get off his ass
>>16768970>green >leftists>shutsdown nuclear plant>increases coalWhat the fuck is germany doing
>>16769603russian influence operation obviouslyor maybe people are just stupid idk.
>>16769603i dont think its a green thing...most people are terrified of nuclear power plants
>>16769611>most peopleWho get their general nebulous opinions on things they don't know about from The Simpsons and the like.
It's never going to fly is it?
>>16769611>most peopleGerman media is leftist propaganda right? So that would make sense
>>16769571>Epcot station>NASA doing satellite repair>No military starshipsWas this made in the 90s somehow?
>>16769234I hate to say it, but yes
>>16769286We don't call him Coomer Casey "handy job" Handmer fer nuthin
>no bro, green energy bad. you need nuclear plants!or maybe, just maybe, they should learn to store energy from the sun, both as in thermal energy and as in electricity. just imagine how fantastic that would be for the country...
>>16769325>>16769245Does he pretend to be retarded on purpose to get ad revenue from his haters? I do have a secret theory that he is a massive spacex fanboy that plays a hater on the internet for attention
>>16769625I'm looking forward to new developments in battery technologyOf all the things that the environmentalists have done, investing in new battery tech is probably going to be the thing that saves the planet
>>16769545God bless all of you, all of you on the good Earth.
>>16769547Gentlemen, it has been a pleasure shitposting with you tonight
>>16769500Underrated movie. It's a shame we never got that sequel. Apparently Jim would've gotten with a space cat-girl. You can find a lot of the concept art online. (Pic related)
>>16769530The Lunar War is Kino. I hope we eventually see more, or it gets more support so they can do an indie series on Youtube.>>16769561>Today, Griffin(?) learns the Kzinti Lesson.
>>16769547Just looking at the site that spawned that AI garbage is giving me a headacheIt's completely AI generated. Nobody whose name appears on the site is a real person, and the site itself is allegedly owned by a fake company (they use a registered agent to hide who really runs it).
>>16769620>military starshipsI always saw a Space Force Starship similar to the craft in the book Ghost Fleet except it'll have a spinal mounted howizer in the nose.
>>16769614Iirc Dream Chaser is made using the oldspace method of outsourcing to a million different people so it's probably doomed regardless of how hard they try.It's expensive, they can't mass produce them like SpaceX can, and it doesn't really do anything that other aerospace companies can't provide
>>16769173Wait, the tower arms are facing towards the ocean, which makes it ideal for a booster returning. But if you have a ship coming in from the west, does this mean it will have to fly over the tower?
>>16769400Terran Orbital did a lot of Capstone LEO comms I seem to recall>They got bought by LockMart Nothing good ever happens
>>16769358Everything to do with Mini Starship perfectly encapsulates the problem with scientists versus engineers.
>>16769358Why not make a micro starship that fits inside mini starship? That would be even more efficient.
>>16769745Is this guy still cock sucking his way?
>>16769358I want a mini Starship to be launched that only runs between various orbits. Like a dragon module that goes from moon orbit to earth orbit to mars orbit. Since its already in orbit, it doesnt need extreme thrust. So equip it with a nuclear ion propulsion or something.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961332734686871612
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961334891318308956
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961341399661776915
so they had sophisticated tile tests on Flight 8 and 9, but this time they just said fuck it and put a rusty piece of steel on therelmao
>>16769760So all that is just from one metal tile?
>>16769764not necessarily, but I don't see any more obvious metal tilesmaybe a bit down there is something brown that might be another metal tile, but the whole heat shield is dirty so its hard to tell
>>16769767the lower one is probably just dirty (or a removed tile)
>>16768998>the infrastructure to recover planes instead of just the engines is greater so heres a chart showing ditching the air frames will save you money :^)This is how dumb that graph is.
>>16769625>if you like nuclear you must hate renewablestwatter brained retard
>>16769250Spacegulls in LEO shitting on suborbital vehicles.
>>16769745Are the NSF forums still around? Forums would feel comfy
>>16769760So if its just a metal tile, what's the actual point of a heatshield? Best part is no part
>>16769502Once they find out that the entry heating heat treats the steel and turns it brittle and unusable they will end up putting shuttle thermal blankets on everything.
>>16769603>increases coalThis didn't even happen really. They reserved more capacity for it from the existing plants, but didn't end up using it, really. It's still a baffling decision to phase out nuclear before coal in terms of the emissions goals. But coal power isn't increasing in Germany because of it. It's just going away much later.As to why coal production continues: There's some big fucking moon craters all over Germany full of Baggers eating the landscape and the energy companies make big money from that. Meanwhile nuclear ran out of political support, is full of red tape and the fuel's all imported from abroad. It's mostly lobbying by established local industry. Same reason German car manufacturers are bitching about electric cars every day.
>>16769792Yes, if it workedIt got ablated so not reusable
>>16769809There is a blanket and some kind of ablative under the tiles already
>>16769534Whoever did the names for spacecraft in Halo nailed it. Just a shame the space stuff itself was totally starwars tier goofy. I always thought it would have been an awesome display of the tech gap if the Covenant vessels floated around defying physics like they do in the games, but the UNSC vessels had to obey physics as we now it. Would have been hard to represent to normies in game, but would have been very cool. Like in the mission Long Night of Solace (another epic name fora ship) in Halo Reach, that covenant corvette should have been hanging stationary far above the planet, and you slam into it at orbital velocity to board it.They could have made a point about how UNSC ships can survive because the never naturally developed technology and don't even know what orbital mechanics is, so strugle to predict UNSC vessels.
>>16769814I mean it will be needed on the side not facing the air too.
>>16769770It's kind of different. unless you lose a dogfight over hostile airspace or have a jeet pilot then your plane will be landed regardless of if you intend to reuse it. It's like if the natural state of a rocket was to be landed intact on a launchsite or drone ship even if you planned to expend it.In rockets it's not like that, you take a massive payload penalty to get reuse. Falcon loses a full third of it's payload potential to just recover the first stage, which is BRUTAL when you consider that the first stage on Falcon does barely any of the work. With facts like that it's easy to see how recovering stages is not a straight forward win, and why SpaceX totally abandonned the idea of recovering Falcon upper stages.The one saving grace is that most payloads don't use anything close to the max possible mass the vehicle can carry, so in that case recovery really isn't costing them lost customers.
where s38
>>16769547I really liked that movie.
>>16769845I heared ELMO is scrapping all the ships up to 42 so 42 can be the memorable one.
>ruins your skirt landingNow what?
My new phone wallpaper if anyone wants it
>>16769858Hearing them saying they will land on the skirt was smoking gun evidence that they are bullshitting and definitely won't land before 2030
>>16769859>what's that orange plane in your phone background, anon? i didn't know you were into planes
>>16769860they didn't say that
>>16769858Why does Martian regolith look like damp sand? It looks like if I scooped some up with my hand it would stay clumped together and feel wet. But it's fine and coarse isn't it?
>>16769864Dan said that. Did we watch the same presentation?
>>16769756With this better pic I can see that the top got covered with white stuff just like the bottom got covered with orange stuff.I think this supports the theory that they put in some kind of dye tiles to show reentry forces.It's clear that >>16769761 is the source of the orange color, are there pre-launch pictures that could show where the white color came from? Maybe it's the white backing stuff from where a tile was missing?I see a couple of white smears at the top of >>16769767, like somehow that stuff was water soluble and had already dripped down onto the tiles, but that doesn't make sense.
>>16769865>Why does Martian regolith look like damp sand?Stop asking questions goy.Mars is dry!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oxDEKPSbF4
>>16769869>Maybe it's the white backing stuff from where a tile was missing?Musk confirmed it was the insulation
>>16769862Shut the fuck up I'm trying to explain how we can make warp drives real
>>16769862Gio is so gorgeous it’s unreal
>>16769760It's crazy how fast and loose they can play with the heat shield and still make it back. You wouldn't assume reentry could ever be so forgiving.None of their heatshields ever were technically sound. This time they didn't even try on purpose. Skirt blows up in orbit, flaps still burning off and it still tanks its way all the way back to earth.In a way it's frustrating though. So much margin there, but it's still not enough to fit in something robust and reliable enough to meet their goals without a ton more R&D/trial and error.
>>16769523RIP hopper's nose.Gone too soon.
>>16769882Yeah it's a really tough ship. Colombia was lost with less damage.
>>16769866faggot
>>16769888Steel shuttle on top of super heavy. This is the way.
>>16769875She's also underage.
>>16769898We can only hope Starship looks half as beautiful as one of these when it's done.
>>16769911trying to get gemini to make comics realexperiments unsuccessful so far
is this the infamous /sfg/ discord i keep hearing about? https://youtu.be/FMCuvUWYf2k
>>16769903idc my conscious is clean
>>16769916But you still jerk off to her you sick fuck
>>16769862babymaking sex with her in zero g!
>>16769919She's underage!!!!
>>16769882>You wouldn't assume reentry could ever be so forgiving.I feel like a lot of this sentiment is because before Starship, we never really had a proper 'view' of re-entry.
>>16769920she looks old enough to make a baby to me
>>16769925Pedophile.
>>16769926I just jizzed. Thankyou.
>>16769918No my real love is for rockets and airplanes with sexy bellies and rocks. But I admire gio scotti the same way you would admire something like a beautiful impressionist painting or a timeless beaux-arts style house built during the gilded age
>>16769919If you take her to outer space she'll age faster according to relativity
>>16769938Opposite, you’d have to go to orbit and leave her in a gravity well to age faster than you do
>>16769872So now we know how to make Starship smores? Rust for the chocolate and insulation for the marshmallow.>>16769921That first reentry, half my jaw drop was knowing that it was the first time anyone had seen a reentry live. Before that nobody ever bothered to uplink a live stream to a sat, and the plasma blocked downward radio signals.
>>16769942>first time anyone had seen a reentry liveNASA had seen it many times with Shuttle, they just didn't livestream because obviously that would be awkward if suddenly 7 people died.
>>16769903Why do burgers act like something magically changes when you turn 18?
>>16769951We like to firmly demarcate moments in time. Culturally, we are regimented to treat being under 18 as one would a child: making childish mistakes and broadly not being wholly cognizant and necessarily responsible for the full weight and penalty those mistakes might carry, whether they're in contract or in criminal penalties. When our society is functioning correctly, that treatment and protection disappears at 18.
>>16769951you should ask that in /pol/
>>16769951It is weird. Anyone who has grown up around women knows that they become their adult selves by around age 15. Men do by 25. Some rare women take a lot longer to develope than normal, which leads to the weird and uncomfortable situation where they are clearly childlike but 18. Yet burgers see nothing wrong with jerking off to a clearly confused little girl so long as shes hit the magic number.
>>16769951The brain does not fully develop the structures required for abstract thought until later in life (12-18). Education's job is to stimulate this area as much as possible in order to develop it. Until that point they are indeed somewhat mentally challenged in ways that are not obvious
>>16769961>>16769951But if you so much as LOOK at a 17 year old who is clearly a fully mature adult female with a cynical wine aunt persona they will lock you up and bury you under a prison.
>>16769961> become their adult selves by around age 15Yes, physically, but most of them stay mentally childlike until they become mothers.
>thunderf00t + CSS livestreamShould I watch it?
>>16769970If you think stupidity squared is worth it.
>>16769971He lives rent free in your head.
>>16768989Future blocks of Vulcan (assuming highly competent team that actually gets things done) will be insane: nearly everything on the first stage recovered, minus outer structure and prop tanks. Room for more engines due to X-37B like engine pods. On orbit reuse via ACES.
>>16769991both of them are completely clueless and shameless about it as wellwhy would you ever listen to them?
how does he keep winning?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961447826652893556
>>16768989https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_cost
today is a good day in space.
>>16769752What's the point of a Starship type vehicle if it only ever stays in space? The steel, flaps, heashield, aerodynamic shaping would all be wasted
Tick tock Felon.
>>16770009I guess others are trying, but who's the competition?Ariane 6. Sure it's half the price of Ariane 5, but still more expensive than F9.Vulcan is pretty much the same thing.Blue Origin, maybe, if they can land the booster, but it's gonna take them 10 years at this rate.
>>16769953But don’t you dare drink or use tobacco until you’re 21! (oh also we are drafting you to fight in the sandbox btw)
>>16770014Pic unrelated
>>16769953WTF does it has to do with Spaceflight?
>>16770019>I guess others are trying, but who's the competition?kuiper
>>16770028this shit reminds me of a hobo smiling with loads of missing teeth. makes me chuckle.V3 with the abre engines reminds me of some oldhead with extremely receded gums.
>>16770031Yeah, IFT-1 was bad.
>>16770004ULA dead by 2030. they aren't gonna make it. sorry anon
>>16770035fine... China will have to copy it.
>>16769614apparently the engines are the cause of Dreamchaser being delayed so long
>>16770035What hapenned is they made fun of spaceX, then got ten years late, and it's gonna take them 10 more years to do the same.They're cooked.
>>16769614Sierra is doing a lot of military work which has priority over dreamchaser
>>16770007Because they are right about everything
>>16769776It's funny because the pro renewable crowd tends to be extremely anti nuclear since it severely undercuts their position.
>>16770038we should unironically nuke the chinks and cede the territory to the based Japanese
>>16770004Hey anon I have some swampland to sell you.
>>16770046Golden Dome has to be constructed first. Give it 15 years.
>>16770038We successfully baited the Communists to the moon.Then we just go to Mars.
>>16770045the communist insane pro renewable crowd yes
>>16770049Sorry but Congress just flat out rejected Mars.
>>16770028Mostly nothing aside from contract law decisions around liabilities in spaceflight related activities.
>>16770051Elon doesn't care
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eb5gO0MT9CE>Neutron | This is Launch Complex 3
>>16770004>(assuming highly competent team that actually gets things done)
>>16770058Who?
>>16770063Jimmy Neutron
>>16770058Nobody has landed and reflown a first stage rocket but SpaceX.30 times as of yesterday.There is no competition.
>>16770058how long are these rocks going to stay here for?
>>16770066Records are meant to be broken
>>16770070You really think BO will just re fly their booster if it lands?
>>167700692 weeks
>>16770066Shuttle SRBs?
>>16770079stop coping.
>>16770070New Glenn Flight 2 will take longer than IFT-2 took by like six weeks even if they hit their latest date.
>>16770080Notice how you didn’t say I was wrong though
>>16770083You know it's not the same thing.
>>16770066insane that space X was not only the first but also the second to reuse a first stage booster. they are so far ahead of the pack it's not even close. They will reuse a ship before anyone else reuses a booster
>>16770079good in theory but wasn't borne out in reality.falcon takes it and makes it a much more viable architecture.
>>16770088Walks like a boostah, talks like a boostah, gets recovered, refurbed oxford comma and reflown like a boostah
>>16770069neutron is weak
>>16770097retard
>>16770099too weak
>>16770053about space anymore, yes.
>>16770100Would you feel different about if it Shuttle used LRBs instead? Sorry I don’t subscribe to your cherry-picking here
>>16770097Keep coping, SpaceX has 15 years of trying to land their rockets.It's gonna be 2045 before ESA does it.
>>16770051link?
>>16770108>2045Even in my wet dreams I am not that optimistic.
>>16770109ganondorf, I’m afraid
>>16770113you cock suckerI knew someone would do that
>>16770079>>16770097Anon pretending to be retarded is not a good strategy.
>>16770106NTA but if the Shuttle used LRB that took minimal servicing rather than being completely remanufactured then yes they would count.
>>16770117works fo elon
>>16769530ffs fine I'll reinstall bd armory
>>16770108US can keep building rockets. We'll just build the most advanced particle accelerator and leapfrog you guys that way by figuring out fundamental physics.
>>16769882>so forgivingIt's made of steel not aluminum
So how many "learning launches" does it take for Starship to start commercial flights, vs proper upfront design?Interestingly some SpaceX parts like the Raptor engine are flawlessly designed, while the vessel is being built by iterative guessing.
>>16770008Why do you keep posting this nobody?
>>16770145Complex systems require continuously learning. B-2 first flew in 1989. It has since been used on a number of combat missions and we continue to test it every year.>Raptor engine are flawlessly designedI wouldn't say that but it's a very good engine.
>>16770051I've flat out rejected Congress.
I can't believe astronauts in the ISS get to sit in here in 0G and just look at the Earth from 400km above.
>>16770145Starship is for starlinks only, it's going to take them years to design a proper door.
>>16770145why do you say raptor is flawlessly designed? they are on big iteration 3 now, they keep constantly testing them at mcgregorthey have been iterating on the engine longer than the ship stack
>>16770159>T. THUNDERFOOT
>>16770159shut the fuck up fag.
>>16770153TRVE Martian sentimenthttps://youtu.be/6KNJcOZXmMU
>>16770159Because it works?There are enhancements going on but the engine has worked since the first versions, despite the high pressures involved.
>>16769603It's very simple really. the climate movement is entirely fake. no one on the left actually cares about the climate, they only care about making themselves *feel* like they do, and they also like the sense of superiority it gives them over people who "don't care about environment" even though this includes them.All leftists are like this. Feelings first facts second. They only care about feeling good and not about the real world consequences of the retarded policies they vote for.Wind farms killing millions of bats and birds every year? who cares! Solar being non recyclable and ending up in E-waste landfills? who cares!Off shore wind killing whales? who cares!Clearing acres and acres of forests and habitat to make way for solar and wind farms? Who cares!Carbon credits being a huge fucking scam that allows companies to greenwash their practices? who cares!It's green energy baby! we're saving the planet!none off these things matter to them because they do not actually care for anything they just like the social prestige of saying they do.
>>16769614>>16769706DreamChaser and SpaceShip are parables about taking projects away from genius creators. They could not survive without their drive (Jim Benson dying of a brain tumor in 2008, and Burt Rutan retiring in 2011, respectively).
>>16770174so you are just retarded, got ititerating is why its good
>>16770162>>16770165you people are fucking retarded
>>16770019don't forget China, who are trying to put up several different constellations 5-11 sats at a time contracted out to a dozen different launchers
>>16770138As if they're not going to just tell us all the data that comes out of that
BONG rip predictions?
Why are Martian days called "Sols"? This annoys my autism. What are you going to call Titanean days when Dragonfly lands? "Sols 2"? Why couldn't they have just stuck with days instead of trying to make things easier for normies?
thank you elon for fucking up my feed. now instead of starship posts, I get british cuckoldry.
>>16770185From day one it has worked as an engine, offering 100% of the functionality that an engine is supposed to offer.Meaning there is a design.Starship on the other hand has failed as a vessel. And keeps failing.
>>16770195Cuckoldry is the normal for western world thats under the thumb of a certain ideology
>>16770138anyone got the 'another collider' meme?
>>16768983Kek
>>16770197this is just bullshitearly raptors were unreliable, current ship is able to function as a rocket so you are wrong on both points
>>16770200These people are not well.
>>16770188China doesn't matter here because they launch their own stuff. Also, one of their own engineers said it will be about 10 years before they sort out this stuff.
>>16769947didn't they still lose comms entirely during the thickest minute or two of reentry plasma? I know for a fact they had total loss of comms at the start of the program, but I may or may not have read something about TDRSS upgrades later in the program eliminating that at least for low bandwidth, but again I'm not actually sure about that
>>16770008>spitter lighthearted banter>thunderfag interjecting to spin it negatively ignoring even the main point lmao, hes seething so hard
>>16770203Just ignore them, you don't have to pretend that they matter.
>>16769706>and it doesn't really do anything that other aerospace companies can't providewho else is closest to providing 1-2g reentry gentle runway cargo landing with non-toxic fuels for rapid shirtsleeve cargo unloading?
cheeto dust ship
>>16770200>Right wing nationalist rallyIs he referring to whatever event Elon spoke at after Trump's inauguration?
>>16770215Who cares, crazy people say dumb shit all the time, you don't need to pay attention to them.
day 10 of reminding everyone cold-gas thrusters on Starship were a fucking mistake thanks Tim
>>16770138Europoors wouldn't even be able to build those colliders without US funding
>>16770214kys.
>>16770214>hey bro pass the catch tower
>>16770222>americans funding our science>americans funding our economies>americans funding our defense>americans funding my comfy neet state gibsthank you americans, I'll see you on mars after my american funded starship trip. Cheers.
>>16770228based thanks sayer
>>16770151We don't continue to use it because it's so great, we continue to use it because it's all we have and it would take well over a decade for a successor, and Lockheed and Boeing are incapable of delivering
>>16770228You forgot about americans funding mass migration and terrorists.
>>16770241Truly we do it all
>>16770241And Jewish western hegemony.
>>16770238>has never heard of the B1, B21, or Northropembarrassing
>>16770212nuclear thermal is shit. eager space opened my eyes to how fucked thermal management in space really is. we are just going to skip from chemical straight to UAP tech and forget all about whatever the hell this shit is
>starship is alien technologywhat did elon mean by this during the starship presentation?
>>16770200It looks like even one of their faggot mods actually believes the "nazi salute" psyop. Holy fucking take your meds, Batman!
>>16770214>cheeto dustthat should become the official name for the effect
I just wanna be on Mars. Why am I not allowed this?
>>16770250>B1Ancient tech>B21Mockup>NorthrupNonfactor
>>16770262the powers that be
>>16770263>when your ancient tech is still better than anything Europe can make
>>16769715It's coming from the top of the atmosphere and then belly flopping for a really long time. It has enough crossrange and maneuvering ability to just approach the tower from the gulf side.
>>16770214We have the best tiles. The greatest.
>>16770258the real alien tech is locked up in lockheed martins sex dungeon
Zoom in on the tracks and follow it down the hill. Really take in the scale of this landscape. Why the fuck aren't humans here right now?
>>16770267>when your entire government and military might is controlled by Israel
>>16769530You forgot the best onehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bct3MwkxE0Y
>>16770276I'm still sad the guy gave up
>>16770272the urge to fight offworld colonial wars here
>>16768990Germans were never based, they just occasionally seethe harder than normal.
speaking of lunar wars https://x.com/RandolphC84432/status/1961456263851905092
>>16770272Looks like it stinks really bad.
>>16770287>humans running around with gunsits funny how quickly this is changing now that drones dominate the battlefield. future wars will be fought with drones, including those in space. aint no ODST for you.
>>16770292They'll always need men like us. Those who can do... What others cannot.
>>16770292anti-drone capability through jamming or AI tracking will be so perfected by then that drones will literally cease to be used in warfare
>>16770296Tunnels with doors defeat the drones.
>>16770272>>16770282>endless desert wars:|>endless desert wars, mars:O
>>16770301yes
>>16769904That looks fucking terrible THOUGH
>>16770227fuckingbeatmetoit
>>16770303Your dad looked terrible after he had a heart attack.
>>16770303Go back
>>16770306the shuttle is a piece of shit abomination
>>16770305Did he also kill fourteen astronauts?
>>16770306Redditors love the Shittle THOUGH
>>16770172Nice
>>16770214yo taco cheeto orange man no like felo husker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jio4qhLfxe0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN7AcPuftug
>>16770210He doesn't know what SMART reuse means so he misses the point
>>16770348pretty funny considering how much videos, streams and posts on X he makes about this and yet how uninterested he is in the general topic
am I the only one that watched the Canadian suborbital attempt just now? something weird happened to the ignition system
https://x.com/ApoStructura/status/1961529491219505161>Shown in one graph: SpaceX vs the rest of the world combined (including other US) in 2025 so far. 110 by one company vs 90 by everyone else.
>>16770354>no FH
SpaceX don’t want you to know this but the Raptors at McGregor are free you can take them home.
>>16770333>"This is NOT AI Generated"we are really at that point already now, huh
>>16770357they could totally sell them to peopl-oh... right... ITAR...
>>16770357>The Forest of (used) enginesI remember back when people thought it was a big deal that the Russians had a whole warehouse full of high performance rocket engines hidden away somewhere
>>16770362*ukranians
>>16770175>solar being non recyclable Who makes this shit up>aluminium frameOnly the most recycled material on the planet>Glass covering plateExtremely recyclable >silver wiringExtremely recyclable >silicon wafersThrow it back in the crucible with whatever flux takes out the dopantsSeriously what’s left, a plastic backing sheet and a few bits of copper wire hanging off the back?
>>16770367nope. it all ends up in e-waste landfills.
>>16770368Shut up retard
>>16770175None of those things either exist or matter.
>>16770363Those are NK-33s that were built by the Kuznetsov Design Bureau in Samara, the same town where the Soyuz-2 is manufactured. If the Ukrainians had any real propulsion engineering experience they'd have finished the SCE-200 for India years ago.
>>16770367To play devils advocate, can you name a facility that recycles solar panels.
>>16770333I will be impressed if they make a fully and rapidly reusable launch pad for Starship.
>>16770373>If the Ukrainians had any real propulsion engineering experienceIt all got sold to China in the nineties.
>>16770355Shit rocket
>>16770377That kinda proves my point. All that got sold off to China was three spare RD-120s and a few associated technical manuals. No actual engineering or manufacturing machinery. The idea that Ukraine was ever involved in serious engine design or production is one of the weirdest myths that gets passed around in modern spaceflight.
>>16770375I can't name a facility that recycles anything.
>>16770375can you name a facility that recycles burned oil or coal?
>>16770385trees and parks
>>16770385deflectingnuclear fuel is actually recyclable BTW.
>>16770389depends on the type of reactor and fuel and the "recycling" still creates waste that needs to be storedI'm not against nuclear, its just that your point about recycling solar panels is retarded>>16770388not really, adding more carbon to the carbon cycle changes the composition of the atmosphere and oceanstrees don't permanently take it out (like oil and coal had) in the short term if those trees aren't buried, which doesn't happen
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/08/spacex-got-good-heat-shield-data-for-starship-so-what-comes-next/
>>16770393
>>16770391They are immune to reality. Doesn't matter to them that a solar panel is obviously less environmentally damaging than the tonnes of burnt fossil fuel it replaces. They have been mind-raped by fossil fuel propaganda and are immune to reality. In their heads since renewables arent 100% perfect they are the exact same as fossil fuels, except worse somehow.
>>16770395why booster catch on 13 and not 12? is it just because they need to test out the v3 booster systems first before attempting a catch?
https://x.com/RocketLab/status/1961475071173677221>With Launch Complex 3 now ready for Neutron's debut, we can't wait to deliver the largest orbital launch capacity that Wallops Island has ever seen for national security, constellation deployment, and human spaceflight.>human spaceflight
>>16770396No one is advocating for fossil fuels retard. I am advocating for an energy grid like France where the vast majority of energy is generated by nuclear reactors instead of doing something horrendously retarded like paneling over a significant portion of the state of texas like Elon wants to.>We just cover a little over 3% of the united states in solar panels to power the world!This is what solar tards want. They really think paneling over enormous swathes of land area + millions of batteries is the future of energy production. Instead of yknow, using nuclear plants which take up orders of magnitude less space and don't stop producing electricity at night.
>>16770402this is what a sensible power grid looks like.No need to cover an area the size of a small US state in solar panels. Nuclear baseload with supplementary power provided by solar. Not wind though, large scale wind farms are stupid.
starship booster clearly needs a delta wing.
https://x.com/tony873004/status/1961567182791262716>Two newly-discovered asteroids, 2025 QO7 and 2025 QD8 will pass closer than the Moon in the next few nights. They may be bright enough to image in your #eVscope or other backyard set up.
>>16770411are these alien probes like 3i atlas? we need avi loeb on the case!
>>16770396That emotional response when confronted with the fact that most 'green' energy is not environmentally friendly.
>>16770414anon stop watching Angry Astronaut
>>16770417he's not even a good ufo channel at this point. all he does is read articles verbatim.
>>16770385The entire planet
>>16770417>>16770420Is that guy still around. Even youtube stops recommending that crap. hate to say I was lured into watching it for a while, it resonated with me somewhat with reservations, but then he started saying a lot more stupid shit and I never watched again. I guess it was at least 2 years ago now
>>16770292war will always need infantry retard. There is no way to hold ground without infantry
>>16770251that concept is nuclear electric not nuclear thermal
>>16770426both NTR an NER are garbage
>>16770423It's a shame because he used to cover some of the less often talked about stuff in the industry that no one else really bothered to cover.
>>16770425>there is no way to hold ground without infantryBoomerisms are so funny. Protip the ground will be held by armies of automated deathbots.
you are locked in the cupola with her and this is the last thing you see before the struggle snuggle.
>>16770428He started talking about a lot of gay shit, like British space flight and space port, and even moved there for some stupid reason. What the fuck was that about. when he started begging for subs I just left, I dont even know whos side this guy is on, what team does he play for?
>>16770433He's a boomer who just wanted to be a sexpat in the uk. He still thought it was 1944 when our women were jumping on the cock of every American man who entered the country.
>>16770429that is infantry dumbass. walmart drones are not
>>16770427>NTRI'm not into that sort of thing
>>16770437what a nonsensical claim. pick up a book.
>>16770402the the nuclear ship sailed away in the 70's.. its been banned ever since and will stay banned other than the occasional 10x over budget government projects
>>16770441I hope SMR and other next gen reactor designs changes that. I really do. We have the answer to the next 200+ years of energy already and the only reason we don't use it's all because some oil companies paid climate activists to complain.
>There's no life on Mar.....
>>16770448Hardened mineral deposits that are revealed by softer material around them being eroded are not life.
>>16768829no indication she needs one
>>16770449next you're going to say that gas giants are not life
>>16770445small reactors are a meme and not real
>>16770452>small reactors are a meme and not real
>>16770448>Bacteria on Mars:O>Very real possibility of advanced intelligence operating in, on, and around earth for thousands of years:|
>>16769107why do people even watch movies anymore?spacex makes special effects look like trash
>>16770440>quad rotors are infantry you are buck broken
>>16769158>advanced inflatable shieldmay I see it?
>>16770457People watch the movies for the personal human drama. The lore and special effects is always just set dressing.
>>16770460they already tested it ages ago
>>16770354Its not even a competition, it's a complete mogging. And to think I was scoffing at first stage F9 reuse back in 2015
>>16770453call me when civilian reactors are allowed to use enriched uranium and operate without 10,000 people employed around the clock
>>16770466SMR designs have passive safety features and require far less land for exclusion zones
>>16770460yeshttps://youtu.be/11DR_420lRI
>>16770471>Nov 11th, 2022
>>16770482Do you have a learning disability
https://x.com/NASAArtemis/status/1961513829868728763You're not a fat fuck, right, /sfg/? This should be easy for you.
>>16770487I can do 50 push ups in 2 minutes, but can't do a single pull up kek.
>Could test next ship and booster as early as 3 weeks from now, if all goes well we will catch the ship on flight 12 in mid OctoberWe are so fucking back.https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1961467662363467978
>>16770487pullups are hard as fuck. I can do maybe 20 in that time frame.the pushups would be easy though
@16770495retard, flight 12 is v3 which isn't until december at the earliest.
>>16770495this tweet identifies as krystal porn
>>16770487Why do they naturally self-organize into the same pattern every time lol. Victor is always next to Wiseman
>>16770487They look tall as fuck. I can imagine them bullying me until I cry just like the good old times in school.
>>16770495Eric BTFO >>16770395 >>16770393
>>16770448wtf is punta de lobos?
>>16770487>50 push-upseasy>100 pull-ups in 10 minuteswtfI can do 10 in a row on a good day, sure I'll manage some more with pauses but that's just unreasonable
>>16769744Wait until you hear about my plans for nano starship
>>16770544at that point you are making a russian nesting doll and that's bad because russians are bad (cnn told me so)
>>16770496>pullups are hard as fuckwell duh you are lifting your whole body weight after all. Shit's hard
>>16770308That's not why he needs to go back
>>16769115slow motionplay it at 2x
>>16769858Except that SpaceX is landing east of Elysium Mons, where it is a flat as fuck dried ocean bed. Not that it matters because landing Starships will have landing legs like HLS
>>16769107why is the sky distorting in the video?
>>16770487They're not even doing real pushups.
>>16769107I still think it's stupid that Starship can't handle tipping over from 0 meters without exploding. What a weak bitch
NEXT FLIGHT WHEN?
>>167705673-4 weeks. Then IFT12 whenever Pad B is complete. Probably 4-5 weeks after IFT11 launches
>>16770569if everything is read they could easily launch late sept early oct provided elon isnt busy wanking off on xitter
>>16770453Sub reactors are cooled with lead are weigh bazzillion tons
>>16770571IFT11 will be the same as IFT10 so it will probably have an interval on the shorter side. Definitely September. Ignoring anomalies like blown up ships, it takes less time to launch each time. Launch in 21 days is possible but they would really have to hurry
>>16770578dont forget their testing site is out of commission because of a copv. that is gonna complicate testing a bit. the entire point of moving testing out of starbase was to avoid conflicts with tests and construction etc
>>16770567late october
>>16770579I don't think it matters, does it? They can fire engines on launch Pad A without needing to close the road. Not sure about cryogenic tests, but I'd assume the same
>>16770367Doped silicon is purer than raw crucible grade used for alloying cast aluminum and transformer steel.
>>16770579They skipped rebuilding to v2 specs and rebuilt to handle v3. So, oddly -- that probably advanced readiness to start v3 tests.
>>16770398Yes, to make sure they didn't fuck up the design, like they apparently did with V2.
I like how Elon rebranded V3 as V4 now. really oozes confidence
https://x.com/ti_morse/status/1961512612161859987Handmer interview
>>16770669kek, you are right, just trust the plan
I rewatched that video Stoke posted a few months back of their engine test fire, and I forgot to ask back then. https://x.com/booster_10/status/1960988276052910110In this footage, you can see little flecks of green every now and then. Is that the engine shitting itself or that something metallic getting caught in the exhaust outside of the engine and changing the color the plume as it's turned into hot gas?
>>16770714metallic I think
>>16770678https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmmvqkNPo6A
>>16770714seem to be on the outer rim of the plume next to the engine bell (or perhaps that is just the easiest to see)
>>16770721
>>16770722
it's 4amspaceflight aaahh
>>16770721>>16770722>>16770724Yeah, so is it just the engine bell having contaminants on it getting blasted to nothingness?
L Ron Mollusk.
>>16770750residual TEATEB from the igniter?if it wasn't a perfectly clear methalox plume you wouldn't see shit, and raptor doesn't use TEATEB. Stoke's engine almost certainly does, there's a blatant green flash during startup
>>16769085why would you package your sci-fi short story in this weird format? the premise is stupid but the writing is decent
>>16770559because it's clearly made with a 360 degree camera, which stitches together images from multiple cameras which have fisheye lenses. undistortion and image stitching aren't perfect.
>>16770768
>>16770682They should've landed Apollo 15 at the bottom of the gorge, that would've been kino as fuck just tape flashlights to the LM and suits or something
"Hey hey!"
>>16770782>start doing THIS
>>16770782WOW!
>>16769039>>16769042the real redpill is that we have, more or less, reached the pinnacle of possible technologyno civilization has ever advanced past the tech level we're stagnated at
>>16770782Say whatever you want, but the clickbait thumbnails boost their visibility on Youtube by A LOT. That's why dim todd does the same thing, even though he's stated that he dislikes doing so.
>>16769235now thats funny
>>16770521They mixed up the numbers.
why wouldn't atmospheric reentry gum up the open rcs holes?
>>16770790Yup. They even let you upload multiple thumbnails and give you the metrics on which ones perform better at generating clicks.I’m not hating on him, it’s just funny seeing the stereotypical>WOW!>THIS IS HUGE!thumbnail. Back in the day youtube was a place you simply uploaded for fun. Now it’s turned into a monetized addiction where you constantly have to “play the game” to throw your name out there with the algorithm for visibility. Apparently if you so much as slow down your uploading and posting for a few days you drop off hard and lose regular viewership and $$$. Very toxic
>>16770793The plasma just rolls right over them
>>16770793they're 1) not on the side that gets the vast majority of plasma, and 2) designed to deal with similar temperatures with the hypergolic mix.inb4 why not make the whole thing rcs nozzlesthe reason they don't make the whole heatshield out of hot gas thruster nozzles is that the nozzles are heavier than the heatshield tiles, but other than the weight penalty it might actually work. Though shuttle tiles (and starship tiles as they're a derivative) have some fancy fuckery going on with backscattering the infrared wavelengths that are most prevalent during reentry to reject as much heat as possible; the tiles are made of silica(early)/quartz(later) fibers of a specific diameter that does some shit called Mie Scattering.There was an insanely good video by the youtube channel Breaking Taps about the shuttle tiles, but it was so insanely good that the ITAR niggers actually went and took it down wholesale. There's a r*ddit post about it with a decent commenthttps://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/1ape7r8/2433_makes_his_own_thermal_tile_and_compares/>and I think the video got mirrored to bilibili or some other chink youtube clone and was still up last I knew but that was months agoscratch that, I fuckin found ithttps://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1AK421k7wo/
>>16770798yep good video
>>16769509holy shit when was this photo takenhow did they coordinate this
>>16769530https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXeUkrlxQ98
>>16769509>kitten space agency multiplayer be like
>>16770808lmao
>>16769603I'm gonna say something actually controversial among internet denizens: the recent resurgence in support for nuclear power is almost entirely artifical, probably by the like of Bill Gates or tech moguls because they want power for their massive datacenters. Yes, nuclear power is better than the alternatives but the only reason why the mainstream has started to sway to its favor is because some people are paying the media (and they're smart enough to know that youtube channels like kurzgesagt have more sway on public opinion than tv) more than oil companies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u0Qw4gEjHw
>>16770813Nah I disagree, is Gates even directly plugged in to microsoft and AI these days? Bezos probably even less so. There is only a select amount of groups like openai, meta, X, microsoft, not even apple I dont think, NVIDIA, who benefit from this expansion and need for huge power densities. And gates is really the only one who festers these normie (dis?)information campaigns by trying to subliminally sway them with soience youtube channels and sponsoring papers and such.I think there is just a big group of people who have always advocated for nuclear and have been trying to fight an uphill camgaign of trying to convince everyone else it's safe and clean. The disinformation campaign has always been leftists and oil and gas trying to paint it as evil and scary and dangerous. Funny enough reddit has always been pro-nuclear but as it has swung even more leftist (now arguably extremely leftist) the voices AGAINST nuclear have grown. But its all organized from someone (who that is idk. Gates, soros, etc. Maybe just AOC-aligned leftist retards themselves) Meanwhile Elon Musk buying out twitter and dragging it away from the left, thank God, in addition to sharing his pro-nuclear opinions have made normies more open to seeing discussions and learning how good it is.
>>16770813Musk will post his Master plan part 4 for Tesla in the coming months which will probably touch on the increased power needs of data centers in some way I doubt its going to be all solar panels + batteries but batteries are certainly going to be a big part of it
>>16770820>>16770813Its mainly Musk highlighting the irony of Germans claiming to be green, clean energy, yet shunning nuclear, buying Russian gas, saudi oil and burning coal. The context was Musk pointing it out on one of the biggest platforms by one of the most outspoken person, in relation to the Ukraine war, Russian dependence, clean energy push, etc.
>>16770823Germany has been building out solar but a serious attempt to replace fossils looks like something else. Currently they have more area dedicated to golfing than solar farms. That's a good metric showing they're still playing kid games with solar.Still think they should have expanded nuclear and at the very least not shut down any reactors. But solar is the only thing that can react very fast in the interim.
>>16770813As artificial as the support for space anyways.
>>16770828Grim
>>16770827they need a lot of batteries and I haven't really seen any news that they are interested in that (or a quick googling shows that they are only looking into that now, which is pretty fucking retardedan actual realistic plan would also look at longer term storage, but perhaps this has always just been a way for fossil fuel lobbyists just to fuck with their real competitor, nuclearbuild solar and wind in a retarded way, waste a lot of money, don't combine it with batteries so its unreliable and people start hating renewables slowly all the while keeping the demonization of nuclear on-going
>>16770820>...the voices AGAINST nuclear have grown. But its all organized from someone (who that is idk. Gates....???Bill has been the chairman of Terrapower for like, 20 years.Sure it was mostly a do-nothing R&D company for the majority of that time, but things have really ramped up since 2020.
>>16770764I never knew Gus was short for Virgil
>>16770813I'm gonna say something actually controversial among internet denizens: Nothing organically surges or declines based on the merit of the idea and it's just powerful and rich people changing their mind about what they want.
>>16770813Yes a very controversial ideahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_hand
Dust storms in KSA vs dust storms captured by Mars Express>there will be a game where you can actually build a base anywhere on mars you choose and have to plan around dust storms and CMEs
>>16770862Surviving Mars had those factors but it's an arcade base builder so
>>16770863I want to actually design, manage, and fly every part of the mission myself though, and I don't want no proc gen aids. If I wanna build a base in the Mariner Valleys that's what I will do.
Literally what is the point in these
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/11/02/starlink-is-a-very-big-deal/
>>16770869
>>16770869free material resources
>>16770880The European mind cannot comprehend this
>>16770877the moon is the smallest of the non dwarf planets, but it is firmly not a dwarf planet. it is fat enough to clear its orbit in hubble time.
Why even build starship? 3I Atlas is an alien colony ship. It will enlave u or grant us infinite tech in 2 weeks.
>>16770886Earth defense forces will cripple it, defeat whatever organic and/or digital sentience is aboard, and reverse engineer all of the technology aboard. We are a defensive species and an evil solar system.
>>16770889Analog sentience
Explain these numbers. (muskrats not welcome)
>>16770901Raptor 3, apparently
https://x.com/TLPN_Official/status/1961542097837985939>Amazing effort by NordSpace to launch Canada's first commercial rocket today! Unfortunately an ignition issue occurred during the final moments of the launch countdown. Vehicle looks to be in safe configuration.
>>16770905I have seen Burgers build larger rockets in their garages.
>>16770906this one has green fuel
>>16770766Beats me, I didn't write it. I do like it, though.
>>16770910Oh, well, that changes everything!
>>16770901complete reuse makes getting any payload at all difficult to get into orbit, so seemingly small improvements in dry mass and raptor performance can have big effects on absolute payload https://youtu.be/oNFdR-UpZS8?si=76h3K52R8B3ujA7_&t=581
>>16770916>Eager larperinto the trash it goes.Seriously, why do alleged space enthusiasts fall for such low grade slop content?
>>16770916the video also says that with starships architecture a extremely good engine is necessary to get basically any payload at allI bring this up because you often see commentary like "why doesn't SpaceX just focus on raptor reliability instead of performance"they don't do that because the performance is a requirement for the architecture to work at all
>>16770918okay then, explain the numbers yourself then? SpaceX is just incompetent and sucks? lol
>>16770916the fact that the red line flatlines so steeply should redpill you on the fact that starshit cant do high energy trips (yes, even with refuelling). unless you are a dog npc.
>>16770920Eager larper was claiming that shitshit would work perfectly from flight 3 onward. he is a cown wh learns from wikipedia and acts like an expert.
>>16770926where?
>>16770922didn't know you were actually retarded, I was about to reply with some actual points at firstdon't tell me, you watch thunderfoot unironically?
>>16770931before flight 3 obviously. not gonna spoon feed u sweaty
>>16770869miranda has a colony on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp22KPcGR5U
>>16770932wel done outing yourself as someone who i buck-broken, sweaty.
Why does Starship have an engine skirt at all on the untiled side? Seems like a stupid waste of potential dry mass saving. Remove the skirt on that side and make the booster hotstage ring taller on that side. That way you are transferring dry mass from ship to booster, basically giving you free extra payload. So much about Starship eems not well thought through.
>>16770939Now you're adding more mass to SH which they are already trying to get rid of!I get what you are saying though. If it's going to reenter and the plasma/air will flow "around" the untiled side, does it really need that mass if the tiled side half-circle skirt is already providing protection
If the booter hotstage ring will be integrated into the future booters then how will they refurbih them? The steel of the hotstage ring will ablate after a few flights.
>>16770940Moving the mass to superheavy is much better than leaving it on the ship. dry ma on ship has a way more severe impact on payload because ship does most of the acceleration.
>>16770939its an iterative process, that is an optimization (if it even makes sense) that would come a long time in the futuremuch more fiddly to manufacture and then move the ships if there is no singular ring where to rest the ship
>>16770941I don't think it's gonna be a problem that's like asking how you are going to refurb the top dome of SH. It's going to tank the engine exhaust and not "ablate"
>>16770939you might need to strengthen the tiled side against airflow which removes a lot of the weight savings immediately without getting into the additional manhour. not to mention elon still wants it to land on the skirt.
Come to think of it why does a full stack even have a hot stage ring AND and upper stage skirt?
>>16770417>>16770423Anyone have that /sfg/ post about an anon getting hard to angry astronaut because he would jerk off while he had his videos played on his second monitor?
>>16770948because the hotstage ring was not in the design until they realized how fucking awful gravity losses are for full reuse. Hotstaging is basically mandatory and they had to hastily add it to the design of the rocket in a robust way to prove they can actually do it before shedding mass thru design optimizations.skirt might go away with R3? I'm pretty sure Melon said that v3 booster and ship will look "kinda naked" since they want to remove a ton of engine shielding etc
>>16770939they should skeletonize the other side of the skirt, so it’s still integral to the ship but lighter and not a gas trap.
>>16770955Why does a full SS skirt remain in the updated design though?
>>16770956I second this, unless we are all retarded and missing something obvious here. Or maybe they just said fuck it we’ll keep the skirt and just land on it, but this seems dumb to me. Seems like a good way to trap rocks in a confined space kicking around up into the engines as you try to land
>>16770577No they aren't. Light water reactors are so reliable, easy to maintain and use they will even be used on Mars. Of course that will be for the gigawatt scale ones. If you know, you know
>>16770960>Light water reactorsno reason to use 60's tech. There are better designs that have passive safety systems and don't require pressurized water which is a good thing because water is rather scarce on mars
>>16770963Every type of reactor is 60s tech. The only difference is light water is the one with the most development and most refined, specifically because every other reactor type couldn't match the reliability, safety, ease of maintenance and cost of a water cooled reactor.
>>16770978it is when you are in a submarine surrounded by a bunch of WATER.
this is demoralizing (legitimately) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFciE2iNW4
>>16770987what if they just pipe the toilet water into the reactor loop
>>16770955i always read it as "hostage ring" where the hostages are placed
>>16770995indian technology......
>>16770963>water is rather scarce on marsThere is plenty of water in Mars in just the spots curiosity checked it was 3% by weight. There's probably areas that contain much more.
>>16770957Normal starship needs it to shield the engines during reentry. I wonder if they could get rid of or open the dorsal side though. But that would probably cause an asymmetry when hotstaging.Moonship might not need it. But it's a good place to attach legs that's not inside the tank. Don't know if that would be a problem or not.Depot starship doesn't need a skirt. Is it lighter to get rid of it though? Interstage webbing that would replace the sidewalls looks like it would have significant weight of its own.
>>167710063 percent?! Blimey, that's quite a lot, isn't it?Well, it's the continental way
>>16770955it was a bit weird to have a skirt all around the aft of the ship like that with or without hotstaging. The original ITS design got it right, for some reason they broke it in later designs.I think they messed up the skirt starting in the tintin rocket era, because with that 3 legged design a leg was required directly on the back side where the skirt appeared.
>>16771006minimizing water use is still important. not all that water is going to be easy to get in large enough quantities to justify a light water reactor over something that uses little to no water in the cooling process
>>16770987All of the liquid metal reactors tried on land had shit capacity factor. The biggest difference in operation between a water cooled and metal cooled reactor is with water you only have to wait a few hours or less after shut down to replace or fix a pump. With a metal cooled you have wait several days or weeks to fix anything due to the high radiation from the coolant. Then there's the corrosion rate of liquid metal which they've been saying they'll have fixed any day now.
>>16771013correction: after looking at old design seems they put an allround skirt simply for landing legs. Now that they dont have landing legs the all round skirt is obsolete. wasnt even really necessary on the tintin rocket.
>>16770994saw this guys freakout. sad. The trick is, public support shouldn't matter to you. Be sure in the knowledge that space is our destiny, and that it is essential to build our future. We are the custodians of life. We owe it no just to ourselves, but everyone here. Orcas for example may be more intelligent than humans, but they are doomed without us. One day we will build halo rings for them to live on.
https://www.spacex.com/careers/jobs
>>16770939someone posted about this inflatable heatshield >>16769167 . why not use something like that instead of a skirt?
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1961806117014770065>Gigabay Progress
>>16771046guessing the shield uses some kind of ablative. SpaceX seems to think that ablative isnt easy to reuse or refurbish, which is why they went for shuttle tile in the first place. OG ITS was using picax from the dragon.
>>16771049dunno, but here's a video of LOFTID https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZkYj6sub0U
>>16770808me on the left
>>16771055already rusted s m h
>>16771055Why are there two quick disconnect boxes?
>>16768701MrBeast just uploaded a video and I instantly had to click it! I need help to identify the ICBM, can anyone help? Also please subscribe the MrBeast.
>>16771059>he doesn't know
>>16771060looks like a Saturn 3d model they scaled down
>>16771059quicker filling of propellant
>>16770994This guy seems really unstable but I don't distrust his message hereThis seems bad but things really were worse. It was so bad that science fiction was in a place of ridicule in broader society and only nerds cared about that shit. In spite of that a shitload of money was spent to go to the moon. Now science fiction or things of that nature are commonly consumed. The only remaining problem for easy public interest in space exploration is space exploration doesn't resemble science fiction. I don't think we're going to find life in the solar system. I think putting men on mars would increase interest for a decade or so like the moon landings. But after that I don't know the next demonstration you would do to refresh interest in space. Mars colony seems really expensive and interest may die again before anyone is ready to attempt that.
What happened to Kilopower?
>>16771079Oh duhSpace tourism where only the elites and rich influencers can afford it. If you're an influencer and you haven't been to the giant space station you're literally a nobody
fat
>>16770918>>16770920>larper
>>16771059they want to troubleshoot and scrub more often
in the future, we need to figure out how to represent the moon base in a 16x11 pixel flag for 4chan boards with flags.
>>16771084There is such a thing as fear of Jupiter. Some people are disturbed by its size.
>>16771080Humans don’t go past LEO so… no use for it to be continually funded for like 15-20 yrs with no use case
>>16771055Those parasols on the cherry pickers are pretty cool, I want one
>>16771116You already posted its flag though.
It's so close bros
But so far away :( I'll be fucking 31
>>1677113937goddanmn I've wasted my life
>>16771139The Lucy mission will have just finished by the time Dragonfly gets to Titan. I wonder if they're planning on using it as a relay, because it basically flies super-elliptical out to Jupiter's orbit with enough dwell time to be useful
So they can just make up stupid new terms as they please now
>>16771143>Make uphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_sol
>>16771143About 16 Esols
>>16771139I'll be pushing 50
>>16771144For the last time, it's a Martian day, or just a "day" as it will be known to Martian settlers. Not a fucking sol. You don't have a special term for a Martian year, nor will you have one for the Martian week or the 55-"sol" long Martian months. So why fucking make one to replace the day? Just call it a fucking Martian day.
>>16771084When it finally loses its giant storm. Would there be a way it to restart it so it doesn't look as bland as saturn?
>>16771150Are you blind? Even without Jupiter's storm and Saturn's rings Jupiter and Saturn are clearly distinct.
>>16771150Yes, species who can barely handle small cyclones and hurricanes will seed a giant off-world storm larger than their home planet, it's that easy!
everyone needs a 8" dob
Could gas giants be other colours, like red, green, or purple, or are they basically all pre-determined to all be either a mix of beige, yellows, and browns (H/He, ammonia clouds) or blues and whites (H/He, methane clouds)?
>>16771157Give me recs, been looking to get into astrooonomy for a while. What are the best scope brands? And is there a general for it or will I have to spam my Mars weather observations here every chance I get?
>>16771161used market for sure. Telescope enthusiasts are always upgrading to bigger telescopes. I dunno about brands.make sure to size it such that it fits in your car or on the roof rack.
>>16771159https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudarsky's_gas_giant_classification>Sudarsky's classification of gas giants for the purpose of predicting their appearance based on their temperature was outlined by David Sudarsky and colleagues in the paper Albedo and Reflection Spectra of Extrasolar Giant Planets and expanded on in Theoretical Spectra and Atmospheres of Extrasolar Giant Planets, published before any successful direct or indirect observation of an extrasolar planet atmosphere was made. It is a broad classification system with the goal of bringing some order to the likely rich variety of extrasolar gas-giant atmospheres.>Gas giants are split into five classes (numbered using Roman numerals) according to their modeled physical atmospheric properties. In the Solar System, only Jupiter and Saturn are within the Sudarsky classification, and both are Class I. The appearance of planets that are not gas giants cannot be predicted by the Sudarsky system, for example terrestrial planets such as Earth and Venus, or ice giants such as Uranus (14 Earth masses) and Neptune (17 Earth masses).We don't really know, but here's one of the best educated guesses we've got.
>>16771118That's reasonable.If it appears too big to you it means you're already in the radiation belt.
>>16771161Sky and Telescope is literally run by the AAS, you can't get better recs than those
>>16771184damn I thought they had a bigger ship backlog than that.
>>16771184So they're making a big deal out of the Starship versions changing, but is the booster doing anything new?
>>16771187integrated hot stage ring. other than that it seems to be pretty solid.
https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/multimedia/raw-images/ZR0_0916_0748238143_769EBY_N0450000ZCAM08923_1100LMJ
>>16771189it looks like the Wallace and Gromit moon stalagmite after they slice it
>>16771190based moon cheese enjoyer
>>16771190True kino
>>16771192I grew up with the 3-W&G-short Aardman VHS
>Recently, the first pulsating production line for hydrogen-oxygen engine final assembly at Plant 211 of the First Academy of China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation (CASC) entered its 70th day of trial operation. At the pulsating production pace, the line can produce a single YF-75 engine in as little as four days.https://www.spacechina.com/n25/n2014789/n2014809/c4410041/content.htmlAssuming 240 workdays per year, that is 60 engines per year. This new production line should help them reach the 50 CZ8/year goal.
>>16770453Small reactors are a meme for civilian power applications. The reason small reactors are used in submarines is because a larger reactor would be overkill.
>>16770577Only a few unusual submarines, e.g. Soviet project 705. Most submarines use pressurized water reactors.
>>16771194Why is building a rocket so much like building a car they can just rip off automotive production techniques and they work perfectly
>>16770467Large Gen III reactors also have passive safety features, e.g. AP1000 (1200MWe) and CAP1400 (1500MWe)
>>16771187plenty >>16770901integrated hot stage ring, 3 gridfins that are a bit bigger instead of 4 grid fins and they are also lower down to not interfere with the hot staging as much, seems to be slightly elongated (72.3m vs 71m), uses raptor 3s instead of raptor 2s which allows them to remove shielding in the engine sectionit might actually be the ship that isn't changing that much other than getting raptor 3s (and getting a bit more stretched again with 1600 tonnes prop load vs 1500 tonnes prop load)the v2 stack was basically booster v1 with ship v2, now the v3 stack is going to be v2 booster with v2 ship (now called v3, the old v3 is now v4)
>>16771157>>16771161>>16771164>>16771177nta. is it worth buying a telescope if you like astrooonomy but not a huge fan? I feel like I want one but it might end up becoming yet another toy that collects dirt in the garage
>>16771209no buy a PVS-14 instead and a F-mountyou can watch meteor showers and see satellitesplus shoot things
>>16768983ArianeGroup only planned for, I think, 9-12 launches per year, because their market research indicated that was the level of demand they could safely bet on. With such a cadence, it made no sense to throw the Ariane supply chain into total disarray by designing a radically different rocket. It was probably even worse for Japan.
>>16770794There are plenty of successful youtubers that don't do that
>>16771217Good for them!
Do you think they're regularly producing V3 sats yet or just going to wait until after V3 first has an orbital flight?
>>16771228I recall seeing a table of them in the 2023 EDA starbase walkthrough. I assume they have tooling ready.
>>16771140>goddanmn I've wasted my lifesame.the muskrat in chief should found a company focused on stopping aging. a shame that he has stated on public record that he doesn't want to live forever >:(
>>16771194Probably 250 or more workdays in China
>>16771186>damn I thought they had a bigger ship backlog than that.maybe they dont know all the details for their V3 design yet so they havent built any V3 ships
>>16771190Wensleydale?
>>16771241stilton?
>>16771228They've already been making v3minis so I imagine it's as simple as just bolting on the heavier parts
>>16771194do they have another factory? aren't there 2 YF-75 on the upper stage? they need 100/year
OmegA could have solved all of our problems
>>16771253Hardly, the new one for SLS failed identically
Wow wtf more Tom Mueller lore. This engine is now owned by Northrop.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TR-106
Staging>>16771270>>16771270>>16771270
>>16771196>Small reactors are a meme for civilian power applicationsMaybe not for grid scale stuff, but there's more than a few industries that could very much use small reactors. A big one would be for mining and refining on site. But there's also chemical factories that could use the high temperature process heat. Then there's the AI slop that need the stable power.
>>16771198The sea wolf had a sodium cooled reactor before it was replaced with a pwr.
>>16771143Just use "cycle" for the day length of whatever planet you are onAnd "standard day" for an earth day.
>>16771244>v3miniswhere?
>>16771412It's a confusion of terminologyThe "v2 mini" is technically still a gen1 as far as the FCC is concernedThe "gen 2 starlink" is the full size half-ton slab going into Starship despite being v3https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/DA-24-222A1.pdfAnd the v3 "mini" would then be the (not built) version of the gen 2 starlink before SpaceX petitioned for more bandwidth
>>16771184dome producing factory
