Three more weeks - editionprevious >>16768701
Member Musk's Mission? (I hope the program stays on track)
The 1337 engine will fix all problems.
>>16771275Body Oder has their MK1 lander supposedly landing on the moon this year. Honestly I hope that is actually true and they are pushing aggressively for an early MK2 landing because we are probably going to need it.no shade on starship, I'm sure it will be successful eventually, but I don't think they will make it in time for Artemis 3
>>16771277Lol lmao
>>16771278oh cmon. you dont *really* think starship is going to be fully mature and human rated by 2027/28 do you?
>>16771280I'm not fully confident it will keep its timeline, and perhaps it will be an unfortunate delay. But I am also not retarded and believe that Blue fucking Origin will somehow mobilize and leapfrog HLS development. They have four GS2s to their name and are reluctant to even launch another full stack. They're ngmi
>>16771281>believeHope anon, not believe. Those are two different things. I don't believe it either but who knows maybe the new guy iis lighting a fire under their asses to get things done
I enjoy AnthroFuturism. Yeah I know hahahaha but I like it anyways hahahaha.
>go to musk's twitter for starship updates>full of anit immigrant posts>calling for riots and overthrowing of UK and western eu governmentsHe's getting fucked once his guy is no longer the president. Dems and EU leaders are probably grinding their axes.
>>16771302Ok?
>>16771311I've divorced myself from caring at this point. It's unironically tiresome. He is too cyclical
>>16771311It's somewhat comical that this guy has the time to shitpost despite being the richest man aliveI wonder if Soros is equally retarded in private
put a test dummy into the next starship so we can see how well a human might survive
>>16771318Clear is ready
>>16771311Lmao
>>16771311the EU leaders will be long gone by then
>>16771320Assuming he's mixed enough to have non-garbage IQ I totally understand his desire to get rid of all the other negros and be "the good one" who gets to stick around and not need to live away from whitey but it's really not gonna work if western liberalism fucking explodes in his lifetime.
"This is for all you new people. I have only one rule. Everybody fights, no one quits. If you don't do your job, I'll kill you myself! Welcome to the Roughnecks!"
>>16771311it's ok our alien overlords are coming in 2026-27 so none of that matters
>>16771311More like he's based as fuck
>>16771329You promise?
>>16771327he can come to mars with us
>>16771332thats what all the ufo nerds are saying. "something" will happen around the 26-27 time period.
>>16771336Do you don't promise. Darn.
>>16771327He's wearing a new York hat. He has in no way a "desire to get rid of all the other negroes". I doubt he even did anything with his English flag other than make a video with it.
>>16771338if it makes you feel any better they definitely are real and they are very punch-able provided you can break free from the paralysis they put you under. if ever you encounter an alien and they pull out their fancy wand they use to paralyze you, wiggle your fingers and toes.
>>16771340What if it's the sexy aryan cat women ayys who want to use me as a breeding stud? Shouldn't I just go along with it in that case?
>>16771343I dont know if the cat people are real, I suspect not. There are Aryan Nordics though and the grey guys set you up with a sex partner for hybridization purposes.
"Join the Mobile Infantry and save the Galaxy. Service guarantees Citizenship. Would you like to know more?"*CLICK*
>>16771311why does he give a shit about UK, literally does not affect him
>>16771345>1960s terminals with 2010s monitorswhat did they mean by this?
>>16771347
Is this a fucking spaceflight thread?
>>16771349Don't tell me. You need more.
>>16771311>He's getting fucked once his guy is no longer the president.Did you go to bed for 6 months? The president is not his guy
>>16771358there's no room on that desk to do work, her binder is hanging off the edge of the desk
>>16771345That slut needs all her holes clogged by cocks. What a whore
>>16771359The next president will be his guy in about a year.
>>16771368Two towers??
>>16771355"Welcome to The Great White North. Today's topic is -- Space Flight, eh?"
>>16771368>Domestic passenger flightThat's a spicy suborbital
It has a robot arm. A teensy weensy little robot arm. So you know it's Canadian.
>>16771374Fundamentally unserious and pathetic “nation”
>>16771377they should stop pretending and just become north montana. Just like Meet the Robinsons predicted
"The launch was to be a test of NordSpace's single-engine rocket, called Taiga — a six-metre (18 inches US) tall rocket created using 3D-printed metal. The launch was originally scheduled for Monday, but was hampered by snow flurries, First Nation protests and a hockey fight that broke out in the flame trench."
>>16771388What flower is that? Poppy?!
>>16771388Not Canadian enough, the mandatory french BS isn't on it
>>16771389Opium Poppies. The rocket is designed to fly narcotics over the Northern Wall and into American elementary school playgrounds.
>>16771280Starship HLS is far from the longest lead item on Artemis III, even with all the delays it'll have; I will bet 10 intarwebz points SLS won't even be fully stacked (including Orion) when the HLS demonstrator touches down - and you can take that screenshot to the crypto exchange.
>>16771395Speaking of, has there been literally any public comment on the electrical glitches being fixed
>>16771395at some point we must admit that SLS is dogwater and we should use the bridenstack to get to the moon instead
>>16771395The problem with HLS is that it's a retarded idea. Same with Orion just in a different way.
>>16771398orion has the excuse that it's a jobs program with no real goal. The entire artemis program is a mish mash of random junk thrown together.
>>16771398the two real problems are that 1) NASA actually picked HLS in the first place, and 2) HLS was by far the LEAST retarded idea they were givenOr did you forget that their other options were to either ignore the laws of physics (alpaca a fatty) or trust blue origin to make and launch a human rated lunar lander when they had put a total of 0 milligrams into orbit thus far
>>16771405National wanted to make Altair but biggerMuh heritage
>>16771405yes that's the issue. It's all retarded goofy ideas hampered by the requirement to get to Gateway in a stupid orbit
spehs
>>16771411I feel kind of bad that I never do LRBs in KSP anymoreI just stack more SRBs
>>16771405alpaca could have been good >too heavy!they could have fixed that. it's still a better design than Blue Moon. far more stable. especially when you consider how landers keep toppling, it would have been the better option
>>16771411spehs
>>16771395space suit?
>>16771438shame collins dropped out. I really doubt the axiom suits will be ready in time
>>16771439if the suit looks ugly what's the point of going back
>>16771442to claim territory
>>16771446I read that as clam territory
>>16771455Inshallah the lunar seas will choke with clams
>>16771442>concerned with looksyou will never be /sci/, im sorry.
>>16771460Space and all that we send into it should be beautiful.
>>16771471
>>16771438Must we?>NASA astronauts Kate Rubins and Andre Douglas recently performed a simulated moonwalk in Arizona’s San Francisco Volcanic Field — under the watchful eye of a very curious local.Those suits look kinda drafty.
>The rocket core stage for the #Artemis II mission is on the move. On July 6, @nasa and @boeing teams at Michoud Assembly Facility moved the SLS (Space Launch System) stage to prepare to load it onto the Pegasus barge for delivery to @nasakennedy Space Center. Compared to Starbase, this place looks like a UPS distribution center in Bakersfield.
>Artist's ConceptJust in case you think a purple Tyrannasaurus Rex is actually riding a space telescope like a boogie board.
>>16771487Imagine if SpaceX was like this
>>16771494I don't know how big a purple t-rex is anyway
>>16771494Boomers love this shit. Anyone got the golf one?
>>16771347I'm even less affected by the happenings in the UK and I also care. It's called empathy.
>>16771285They have a new guy?
>>16771343Then you're supposed to break out of the paralysis and ravish the most attractive catwoman ayy you can find, to prove your virility and vitality. Weak humans get probed and tossed back, only the wild ones get to be studs.
>>16771536the new guy is limp
>>16771360It has room for an ashtray. That's all the 1960s needed to get us to the Moon.
>>16771368>tfw terrorist attacks with starship are a concievable future
>>16771555European and eastern hemisphere peak time of day is really great content. All of the best posts occur during these hours.I'm so glad Elon is bringing India and Africa online, this is the very definition of "value added" and "synergy"We really are a global community, everyone contributes and its beautiful . This is why SpaceX created Starlink, and now we are seeing the payoff, and its even better than our wildest dreams
>>16771573as a plebbitor, it's wild how many Indian subreddits are popping up recently. I fear for the future.spaceflight
>>16771574hmmm, cosmic ravioli
>>16771270She's describing how huge my cock is
>>16771573Money at any cost. Starlink will fund Mars colonies. Groky goonbots will fund Mars colonies. And Mars colonies can't drop rocks
Rate my cat
>>16771586good lad, i rate 8/10 starship flightshow old is he?
>>16771586nominal
>>16771586please tell me you didn't name it elon, clear, or something like that
>>16771586Best color tabby.
>>16771587At least 8, we don't know for sure>>16771592Leo
NSF are such fags for gatekeeping important shit like this for weeks to make an L2 membership seem worth it
Bros I think the astronaut dream might be getting closer.Next step is a PPL and a slight career shift towards quantum comms
>>16771604Test structure for HLS descent thrusters
>>16771606wouldn't this be nice to mention in a technical talk
>>16771604I mean, the subscription is not that expensive. Plus, you get access to lots of exclusive content.
>>16771608I don't like the idea of the money going to this
>>16771611Maybe he could have the money for an haircut.But it's true nothing can be done about the british accent.
>>16771595That better be pronounced L-E-O
>>16771604There's some useable info, because most posters are retired NASA or contractors. If you want to know what it was like to work on ATLAS, that's the place. But everybody seems to spend most of their time trying to wannamod each other and snitching to get a thread moved to L2. So many, "no horse play you guys!" posts.
>>16771487jeez cant they use SI units like >football field>olympic swimming pool>[popular car]
>>16771624that sounds gay as fuck
>>16771626When Unmannedspaceflight.com was still up, there was some great information on space science missions, but the place was moderated like a Soviet gulag. Posters were constantly looking over their shoulders and so many posts got deleted it could turn a thread to Swiss cheese.
>America drops “next-gen” Amtrak train>Almost entirely subsidized by the government, doesn’t even go faster than the old train, its literally faster to just drive a car>USA aerospace darling Boeing can’t correctly make passenger planes anymore, entire flight infrastructure of country is based off of 30 year old tech bc the new stuff doesn’t workBut we are going bros, trust the plan; America’s infrastructure industry is stronger than ever! Not like outsourcing and complacency has fucked everything up. Look out China! Uncle Sam is gearing up to fix the break room coffee machine any day now!
>>16771607Sry bro too busy gooning with ani best I can do is the quick overview everyone already knows
>>16771606
>>16771632good evening my wumao friend
>>16771632USSR and India managed orbit while most of their population didn't have running water in their houses. Space technology doesn't depend national infrastructure to a significant level. But I understand you have some heavy psychologic needs to vent about the United States.
1. Mars has no value for America2. Pour all resources into cislunar development3. Fiber optics, pharmaceuticals and new materials R&D in lagrangian pointsYou do want America to be a leader in space, right?
>>16771280>human ratedYou know they don't plan to launch or land humans (on earth) in HLS? If you do then you are being disingenuous, if you don't, then you are an idiot.
>>16771606neat. still not swiping though.
>>16771370
I hope SpaceX's Mars EVA suit won't look as retarded as the ones these companies are coming out with. Jesus
>>16771673EVA will be done by those.
>>16771405We all know that if an American ever makes it to the moon again it will be on SpaceX hardware the whole way. The question is only how and when.
>>16771487I hate the NGR telescope
>>16771687>if is doing the heavy lifting here
>>16771487Same vibes
>>16771686Robotics is in a pretty gay state right now. Task by task specific competencies achieved by tons of reinforcement learning and little generalization.
GUYS GUYS LOOK ARTIFICIAL METALNOT CLICKBAIT!!!
Any of you guys going to order these for Clear?
>>16771251There must be another factory, since this one has only been operating for 70 days yet they've been launching YF-75s for years.
clearbros i'm in love
>>16771712'READ IT' ELON MUSKDOG NOT SCARED
>>16771309> chemical factories that could use the high temperature process heatThere are NPPs for that purpose being built or in advanced stages of planning, and such NPPs are not small. For example, Xuwei NPP whose main purpose will be to supply steam to the nearby Lianyungang petrochemical complex. It will have 4x 1200MWe(3180MWth) pressurized water reactors and 12x 100MWe(250MWth) high-temperature gas-cooled pebble-bed reactors, for a total 6,000MWe(15,720MWth). So not a small NPP. It makes little sense to expend nuclear industry resources on building small NPPs until you have satisfied the need for large NPPs, a need which is widespread. You can use coal or gas in the small cases.The reason the HTGR reactors are small is due to technical limitations. The Chinese designers originally wanted bigger reactors because it would've been more economical, but they found it would not be technologically feasible because IIRC it would have required the core and the pebble funnel mechanism to have complex geometry, so it was considered easier to just build multiple separate reactors with cylindrical geometry. Diameter is constrained, because control rods need to be around the outside of the core, since they cannot be inserted directly into the core without risking cracking the pebbles, which was a problem with the old German HTGR. Pebble structural strength limits how tall the reactor can be. And passive safety requirements limit the core power density.>there's the AI slop that need the stable powerThey would likely be better off by being connected to a large grid. Normal civilian nuclear reactors need to be regularly shut down for refueling. There are some reactor designs that can handle online refueling, but such designs aren't technologically mature enough that they wouldn't have frequent outages for decades. It wasn't until the 1980s that the US light-water reactors attained a decent capacity factor.
>>16771637>>16771638I think the point is that the US might not have the economic strength to fund any interplanetary colonization project, even if it has the technology to do it
>>16771652If the investors don't find you handsome, they can at least find you handy.
this makes me sad :(
>>16771794big engines are bad thoughmany smaller engines > a feew big engines
>>16771721with my wife!
>>16771794You should become a turbofan fan instead.
>>16771798So we now know. I've been reading about the Saturn V's backup plan. Apparently NASA had to wait until microelectronics and materials became advanced enough to allow for mass clustering of efficient engines in the 1960s, would've been some uprated H-1 engine and Titan SRBs in case F-1 didn't work out.
>>16771806it's honestly a miracle those engines worked considering the combustion instability at that large size
Some questions to spur discussion.1) do you think once starship is operational we will see a shift towards larger heavier satellites? If mass is no longer a major constraint like with other launchers, sat manufacturers can afford to use cheaper, less mass efficient alternatives to expensive low mass materials. Why fly your sat with expensive low weight components when you can use cheap abundant steel and such?2) What do you think about a commercial company taking over or replacing DSN? Recall that Artemis 1 and Orion used almost ALL the available bandwidth of the DSN which choked up other users like JWST. 3) Is there a market for mass produced, cheap and heavy space telescopes? If you can bring costs down enough, and have each telescope last 10 or even 20 years, you could sell time on your telescopes to universities, museums, astronomical clubs, governments, space agencies, etc.
>>16771820yesnono
>>16771820If you build big dense satellites your only choice is Starship. You don't even have the option of a more expensive 3rd party provider in a pinch. I suppose that might give companies some pause.
>>16771794Dont get sad, get glad
>>16771820>1) do you think once starship is operational we will see a shift towards larger heavier satellites?I think the market is naturally trending towards larger options, so yes. But not necessarily all because of Starship alone. The last 15-20 years have seen costs go down but the "standard" options have been F9, Atlas II, Atlas V. More expensive missions were rare and opted for FH or DIVH. In the next five to ten years the new "standard rate" rocket will be Vulcan and New Glenn and Starship—and they seem to all be claiming the prices for these launches will be standard for the market. Additionally Starship is probably the largest of all in terms of payload volume availability but from the current designs it seems this is going to be pretty constrained compared to how it was originally envisioned with BFR and ITS. Anyways this is all to say payloads will generally increase in scope and size to fit into things like New Glenn and Starship and Vulcan>2) What do you think about a commercial company taking over or replacing DSN?Ideally an organic "space network" would develop with multiple companies, say spacex + rocket lab + blue origin + ULA + lockheed, accepting contracts for relay and communication satellites. Its one of those things NASA could throw out contracts for to foster a market. But whatever, worst case scenario SpaceX could go it alone (with or without NASA involvement here) and set up a Starlink constellation around mars that is connected via long-distance comms back here to Earth. I imagine they might as well do this with the Moon as well>3) Is there a market for mass produced, cheap and heavy space telescopes?No
>>16771828NG can do 45t which is about half of starship but still nothing to sneeze at. very unlikely that sat manufacturers are going to build to take up all 100t of starship's payload capacity.
>>1677183545T is way more than 15 heyooo
One day we will see this
>>16771477It was beautiful
>>16771836Funny guy. Block 1 is fully retired however and 2 on its way out.
>>16771828Until Starship has a proper door to allow the exit of large items, it's still just a Starlink delivery van.
>>16771820>1) do you think once starship is operational we will see a shift towards larger heavier satellites?nothey are more than heavy enough for their needs>2) What do you think about a commercial company taking over or replacing DSN?paid for by whole? Why would anyone want to take over some antiquated government apparatusSpacex will build their own satellite dishes for deep space communications>3) Is there a market for mass produced, cheap and heavy space telescopes?Yeafor earth observation...
>>16771798counterpoint: many big engines
Couldn't Starship send probes anywhere in the Solar System without the need for gravity assists very cheaply? Why don't they just do shitloads of interplanetary probe missions to every known body at the earliest possibly opportunity?
>>16771860>Why don't they justI believe the main reason for that is the fact that starship doesn't exist in a space-worthy form
>>16771860no because it has shit C3 / dry mass
>One Mars day is 24 hr 39 minsThat is shockingly close to Earth's actually, all things considered
JPL wasting time with this guy instead of doing their jobs we pay for.
>>16771871Is that because of the rotation of the protoplanetary disc, or just a rare coincidence?
>>16771875Just a coincidence I am sure. Earth getting struck along with the formation of our Moon probably had a huge influence on our current rotation. Mars is also super lumpy in its mantle and it likely got struck by multiple large objects that got frozen in place when plate tectonics shut down, so its rotation was similarly affected during solar system bombardment
>>16771875This is reminds me of how I was arguing 2 days ago with a guy on /pol/ who was convinced that the Earth used to orbit Saturn (which used to glow green because of the 3 stages of plasma), but then the saturnian system collided with the solar system, putting the planets where they are now.
>>16771875Venus you dumb fucking retard
>>16771880World In Collision 2025 edition
>>16771881?
watching this rn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kp1QeFjDRA
>>16771831so this had nothing to do with the technical presentation after all
>>16771311>once his guy is no longer the presidentAnon, 2036 is a long time from now.
Do you ever look up at the night sky and think about the sheer distances those points of light are coming from? The strange worlds that could be in their systems? The future of humanity among the stars?
>QI sat is now accelerating>...the wrong way
https://x.com/Vincent_Ledvina/status/1962245154162504173>A solar storm is on the way and may cause a moderate or even strong geomagnetic storm on Monday or Tuesday. Impact is predicted for around 20 UT on September 1, and auroras may be seen further equatorward than usual on Monday and Tuesday night. Heads up
>>16771966no
>>16771968turn it around then
>>16771972I want a sidewinder. I want a oneshot straight into Earth. I want northern mexico and dallas and louisiana to get lit up with auroral greens dancing through the thermosphere
>>16771966yes
>>16771968Tape ingassing drive
>>16771966Yeah, and then I imagine some strange being taking a shit while I'm looking at its reflected light, but that was millions of years ago, so then I begin to wonder how that being lived its life and how that species has probably evolved into something different during all this time the light took to finally reach me.
>>16771966I live in the city. If I'm lucky I can see Jupiter and such.
>>16772007There is no star that you can see that is more than a few thousand LY away.
>>16772013This city slicker hasn't seen Andromeda
>>16771311>actually reposting a "deportation is the moderate solution" tweetOy freaking vey.But yeah it's really funny scrolling through twitter and seeing a constant mix of politics, AI, rockets, and futa touhou porn.>>16771966I get too distracted looking at the Moon.
>>16771966it feels abstract to me at this pointt. working on linking quantum gravity with gr
>>16772031>futa touhou porn.wait what
>>16772056Unrelated to Elon, just the only other thing I use TwiX for.
>>16772056Don't judge.
>>16771872The moment I perceived the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me.I craved the strength and certainty of steel.
>>16772062ah fair. unless it's futa on male that's gay as fuck and you should be ashamed
>>16771545Grim
>>16771736Did you miss the part where Spacex is eating the global telecom market? As you read this post there are billions in pure cash funneling into the Marsprojekt. In five years it will be tens of billions. In ten years it will be hundreds of billions. Funding from the US government is unnecessary.
>>16772031>"deportation is the moderate solution"It is. Are you confused by something?
>>16772124No. It's just sort of surprising to see how quick everyone is going mask off versus mask off.
>>16772127That's just the result of Twitter/X no longer being a de facto subsidiary of the DNC. These attitudes were already abundant but instead of being shut down like wrongthink they're now discussed openly.
>>16771872why crab walk when you could pogo?
>>16772131This project is a perfect fit for Boing.
>>16771276once teh lolz0r is deployed…
>>16772131She had so many friends
>>16772140Cringe
With total viewership of space launches and other events plummeting to earth like a capsule with a bad parachute, what can the space industry do to revive interest in space? Here's my idea: cumming penises. Research shows that everyone loves penises, especially when they're erect, more so when they're ejaculating, and even more so when they're ejaculating onto your face. So, we just fill all the mission coverage with throbbing veiny squirting cocks everywhere, moaning men, and occasionally giggling girlhosts cleaning themselves off, but mostly just engorged dicks shooting their space sperm at the camera, a little bit of the lift off, then back to the glistening phalluses.
>>16771881Venus just has a phase, she will snap out of it any day now.Uranus is the one that needs help.
OK this may sound like an odd question, but who was the asian girl on spacex' IFT launch livestream?
>>16772131
>>16772145japan, no.
>>16771875The rotation rate is ultimately due to the rotation of the protoplanetary disc, as well as the amount of mass collected by the planet, which is the source of the planet's angular momentum Jupiter spins very fast because it accumulated so much mass, which came with angular momentum. Earth should be spinning faster than it is, but lost some to the moonVenus and Mercury are special cases. One has lost angular momentum into friction with its huge atmosphere, the other is partially tidally locked to the sun.
>>16772153Anyone got that pic of the Tenga rocket?
>>16772148dude just open up the internet and search "asian porn" and you'll find prettier people baka you goddamn gooner
>>16772127you are a moron. this isn't a "mask off" moment. this is what people actually believe because of real experiences in the real world. they are only now talking because they no longer have a gag in their mouth. media and tech companies have been twisting stories about immigration and it's supposed "benefits" for decades. none of it is true. it's all because diversity depresses wages and keeps unions from forming.
>>16772155
>>167722063d clear is QT!
>>16772206>LITERALLY dressed up as a vibratorIncredibly lewd
>rewatching the test flight and caught this preview of the integrated hot stage ringIs it going to be a cool grid like ISRO's or some basic struts like the soviets
>>16772242struts
>>16771880I read a book about that once, Purple Dawn of Creation. I love schizo shit like that. I wish I could find it again, it was really entertaining how it kept getting nuttier and nuttier with each chapter.
>>16772242It's going to be so orkish and utilitarian and soviet looking
>>16771880Technically possible?Jupiter alsohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_tack_hypothesis
>>16772248>I Love schizo shit like thatread thisyes the title predates the game
>>16772259I'll give it a shot. I haven't been impressed much with the UFO and ancient aliens stuff I've read. I read Communion last year and was underwhelmed, so I'm craving something fresh.
>>16772267if you want a summary It's like communion but it gets way weirder in a different way than communion gets weird
>>16772127Grow up
is /sfg/ dead or is this just due to Labor Day
there's nothing going on right now
>>16772317https://x.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/19623342107120845939 launch in 10 days. Almost a daily launch rate for SpaceX
>>16772327that's what's making it boring
>>16772327Elon succeeded in making Falcon 9 boring.
>>16772328>>16772329that's kinda the pointsooner or later starship will be too. by then we will have a base on the moon and mars
>The team shows that a 1x20 meter rectangular space telescope can in principle find half of all existing Earth-like planets orbiting sun-like stars within 30 light-years in less than three years. While the design will need further engineering and optimization before its capabilities are assured, there are no obvious requirements that need intense technological development.
>>16772331>that's kinda the pointWell yeah I think he said that it was explicitly the goal like 10 years ago.
>>16772334reminder that if we can do it, they can do it too, and (statistically) they've been around a lot longer than we have
IT'S OVERhttps://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-grok-anime-porn-1235415287/
>>16772313Instead of complaining, why don't you post something?
>>16772342no I'm going to Taco Bell
>>16772327You zoomers don't understand what it was like in the dark ages. It's why launch threads were a thing, because a rocket launch was such an infrequent and thus celebrated event.
>>16772351indeed. I used to get a hundred posts for any old F9 launch thread.
>>16772343Son, that shit is unhealthy.
>>16772359my other option is Jack In the Box
>>16772359Fuck off it tastes sloppy and great
>>16772127>A person illegally enters a country>They are detained by law enforcement and sent back to their country of origin ASAPSounds pretty moderate to me. An extreme solution would be to execute them. Or to let them stay while giving them shelter and money.
>>16772251>Technically possible?No, Saturn is too small for fusion and the life on Earth wouldn't have survived such an orbital transition. Also, that anon was an electric universe schizo, so he didn't believe in nuclear fusion, which is why Saturn's low mass and current lack of luminescence didn't bother him.
>>16771871I'm assuming that's close enough to work just fine; or could it somehow do weird things?
Do you think the rest of the world realizes the implications of a fully-realized Starshield constellation? Or what the DoD is going to be able to do with Starship if it gets as low as F9 cost to launch, let alone the several million Spacex is aiming for?Imagine a thousand super-low-orbit satellites maintaining altitude indefinitely by skimming nitrogen to fuel an ion thruster, each one armed with dozens of orbit-to-ground conventional-explosive missiles. Their targeting system is a global real-time visible, infrared, and radio surveillance network. The US will get rumors of something we don't like going on and within 30 minutes there'll be a space force officer drinking coffee while he watches a live 3d representation of a terrorist camp on the other side of the world getting evaporated. This is not a notable event, he is already wondering what's being served for lunch today.
>>16772447Slow down there buddyYou should stick to what they have published, which can be summed up as continuous surveillance of every square meter of Earth's surface and possibly even the Moon. First for missile launch detection, then simply intelligence gathering.The acronym you're looking for is Total Information Awareness. Much like how the NSA has a copy of everything crossing the internet backbone, Starshield will generate way too much data to be reviewed by people so they are banking on AI making it useful
>>16772449> a thousand super-low-orbit satellites maintaining altitude indefinitely by skimming nitrogen to fuel an ion thrusterlol
>>16771868>make centaur part of the payload>boom
orange rocket bad
it’s just patina goy
>>16772465shiny rocket good?
>>16772449>Nitrogen in your ion driveESA -- just no. In an era of Starship tossing 200t to orbit, scrounging reaction mass like loose change between the sofa cushions isn't necessary. You use delicious Argon and you're good:https://futurism.com/esa-ion-thruster-breathes-air
>>16772482>Starship tossing 200t to orbitLolLmao
>Send NASA false data>Makes Artemis crash into the MoonYou effed up. You trusted us.
>>16771879And after its formation the unceasing drifting, at the time when the moon was a lot closer our day was just 10 hours.
>>16772337What about building huge hands in space and waving at them?
>>16772503>our day was just 10 hours.Which correlates to our higher mass compared to Mars. More angular momentum accumulated
>>16772482This made me think of something. SpaceX has now pretty much figured out the Pez dispenser door for Starlinks. But for other payloads, they'll need big doors like what the Space Shuttle had.
>>16771275He has until 2018 to get "dear moon" done, I think they can do it.
>>16772494no pay = no work
>>16772526No they haven't. My budget printer will fail less than that dispenser.>other payloadsThere will be no other payloads. Starship is a starlink truck. Anything else requires a redesigned shuttle-like door, but the tanks at the front are in the way for a meaningful payload volume. At that point you might as well design an expendable stage with no front tanks. I doubt there is a business case for that.
>>16772548Why are you here if you just doompost? That doesn't sound like an enjoyable existence.
>>16771411
>>16772557BIGGER
>>16772558
>>16771275No but I remember his melty
>>16772563>meltyGay feminized zoomer slang
>>16772557That abomination might finally manage to put 100t. in LEO in expendable mode. Which would be orange tank tier.
>>16771820>do you think once starship is operational we will see a shift towards larger heavier satellites?It's possible that satellites standardize on PEZ dispenser dimensions and that's just what everyone uses, forever
>>16771820>What do you think about a commercial company taking over or replacing DSN? Recall that Artemis 1 and Orion used almost ALL the available bandwidth of the DSN which choked up other users like JWST.If only there was a company with networking expertise at massive scales and the infrastructure necessary to manufacture and launch a space network
>>16771840I can see it right now
>>16771966maybe
>>16771984kek
>>16772251Intredasting
>>16772338You think you hate journalists enough, but you don't.They described one of his ai slop reposts as "an apparently topless woman." Only her head and neck were in the photo.Some have wondered why, absent true divine revelation, humanity would invent an afterlife of eternal torture. Now I know why.
>>16772338>rolling stonePlease don't post tabloid trash like you think it's news
>>16772449A thousand is not nearly enough. And what do they do when they're out of missiles? Resupply doesn't make sense, at least in terms of bringing missiles to launchers. It's probably easier to just deorbit them once they're empty, which means you'd want a lot on board and you'd need to put new launchers in orbit at the same rate you're using them.
>>16772566here's your "most ironic post ITT" award
>+1 million Starlink customers in a couple monthsI want Quilty or whoever to do another analysis
>>16772650Sounds like massive numbers, but I guess there's pretty many people in the world. But surely at some point everyone who actually benefits from it will have gotten it. Unless it eventually just becomes so cheap that you might as well just get Starlink instead of a local ISP
If you're interested in hearing more of what you already know (that NASA's structured and managed terribly), MECO's latest episode with Handmer was pretty good (sad).
>>16772650with v3 sats launched by starship starlink might start competing with some suburban ISPs, not just rural
>>16772548>the tanks at the front are in the wayYou mean the top maybe, they are not that big.
>>16772658Seems reasonable to assume that they will, when able increase bandwidth supply much further with Starlink, lower prices (and provide other incentives) until the increase in customers isn't worth it financially. Unused bandwidth is just waste anyway.Yeah, I think they could eventually really hurt regular ISPs if they drop prices. For most users, I think Starlink's speeds and latency are more or less fine already. Not everyone is into esports gaymen and shit
>>16772632Shut up faggot
exciting week ahead of us
>>16772696How much space / payload capability does the average Starlink launch occupy? Are they basically maxxing out Falcon 9, or is there some room to spare?Starlinks go up so damn much that you could basically just co-manifest a second place constellation by putting one rideshare sat on each starlink launch lol
>>16772696that’s not very exciting
>>16772701zero room. starlink launches are the heaviest ASDS launches that spacex does.
>>16772696Starlink Starlink Bacon and Starlink? Exciting!
>>16772701They're already co-manifestedThe schizos among us think the reason they stopped showing deployment on their Starlink launches means there's at least a few Starshields going up too
>>16772720Actually based if true
>>16772717it's wayyy pointier than that. I saw a new render last week.t. nasa anon
>>16772717I wonder if they're going to go full Orion(the outer shell is just for aerodynamics and gets jettisoned after launch)Exposed tanks HLS would be kino
>>16772722I just ripped the image from google images. I like seeing images of HLS Moonship. I hope we see more official looks soon
>>16772720>StarshieldsIsn't it pretty much the same thing as Starlink, but with some minor modifications?
>>16772728The main addition is an infrared camera so yes
>>16772722>t. nasa anonif real what do you think about the IVO meme drive in testing right now, think it will work and will change how nasa does shit?
is blue origin still in business?
>>16772334nice, love out of the box thinking like this, never even heard of rectangular scope
>>16772753never heard of it. seems like schizo shit
>>16772673anything you found especially noteworthy (sad)?
>>16772757ain't called the meme drive for nothing lol
>>16772755Who?
>>16772728they could start adding features to them and want to keep that a secret
>>16772769features meaning different sensors mainly but I guess they could add anything really (and maybe have slightly different feature setups)
https://spacexnow.com/statsTThree Hunderd (30) Starlink launches
https://spacexnow.com/upcoming holy fuck what a busy manifest
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1962543378911879346Reminder: Next Starship flight 11 will be the last time Raptor V2 will be used. Then its Raptor V3 on Starship V2
>>16772780Thank God
>>16772778UK MoD has something called 'Skynet'.... really?
>>16772783yup
>>16772778note this doesn't list Starlink flights beyond Sep 2025 so add a couple hundred Starlink launches into this
SpaceX has launched 112 rockets so far this year. The goal is 180 this year. Thats roughly every other day. Its been roughly 242 days into the years. 242/2 = 121. So 112/121 = 92.56% on track with the current goal. If they remain 92% by the end of the year, you can expect 165 launches this year from SpaceX.
>>16772756>To separate two objects that are 0.1″ apart at a wavelength of 10 μm (Earth size in Hab Zone around Sol), the diffraction limit (θ ∼ λ/D) requires optics with a physical length scale of at least 21 m. Figuring out you only need that 21m along one axis -- so a rectangle, is pretty clever. Also avoids the need for a starshade or coronagraph the next gen 5m to 10m circular scopes require.Good hack.
>>16772789SpaceX does more mass to orbit in 9 months than the entire Space Shuttle program did over 40 years and 135 launches
>>16772800When does it beat it on humans though
>>16772814Dragon already has more time on station, more visits to station than Shuttle I think... shuttle might still have it beaten on payload to station
>>16772814It's killed 0 humans so it has that going for it
>>16772818not true, there was a French family that died in a car accident when they came here to visit for a falcon launch. Also, some SpaceX worker died after falling/being crushed at McGregor I believe
>>16772783there is a company, get this, there is a company that sells onions based drink products, and you see, their name, their name is the same as the famous movie where the food is made from processed human remains. And people actually drink it
>>16772814dragon has put well over 50 people in space at this point with zero fatalities
>>16772829what about the 3rd crewmate that BobNDoug ate?
>>16772826
>>16772826Carisoprodol, a sedative, is sold under the brand name "Soma".
dragon is named after puff
>>16772561this is cool. 9m high 27m wide that would be a very comfortable ride to mars
>>16772830we don talk bout Billy here
>>16772820Wow. I didn't know this. Dragon orchestrated that car crash and threw that employee off a ledge. Unbelievable.
>>16772561WIDER
>>16771729Could have copied the RMBK-3600
>>16771196Submarines being military have 90% enriched uranium helps a lot with form factor.
>>16772877as does being immersed in a very larged pool of coolant
>>16772861Jupiter's Detroit.
>>16772686here's your "most based post ITT" award
>>16772722>t. nasa anoncounts for negative credibility btw
>>16772820>not true, there was a French family that died in a car accidentum... based?
>tfw early solar system space travel/exploration will basically be like the wild west>tfw born too early for that
>>16772897kek
>>16772915Don't worry Anon, you can always help in the equally important task of making it happen. None of this stuff happens as an inevitable aspect of the passage of time, but an application of will.
>>16772915I choose to believe that effective anti-aging or age reversal treatments will be available sometime before I die
>>16772915> born too early for thatwe already have space travel tech that makes starship look like a glorified dildo
>>16772915>wild westMore like the age of sail.>you WILL beg for money from mega-corps and aristocrats to fund your journeys>you WILL spend months at a time holed-up in the cramped quarters of a leaky ship>you WILL turn barren rocks into valuable trading outposts, but only for other people>you WILL be the first of humanity to lay eyes on certain things, even if its just dust>and you will be happy
>>16772929>and you will be happytrue
>>16772929being the first to stand in the vales marinaris would be so unbelievably kino
>>16772922Nobody will want a refurbished old fart. They'll take actual young people.
>>16772569gay
Dead threadDead boardDead spaceflight
>>16772956>MarsDead planet
Also, whatever happened to the meme drive
>>16772956It's Labor Day. They'll be back at it tomorrow.
>>16772957not forever
>>16772960Calibrating all the way to re-entry
Every day I wish Starship was called Dragon instead of that dinky little ISS taxi
>>16772970Starship V3 to be renamed Dragon 3
>>16772970>>16772977should call it Hydra instead because Hydra's are objectively cooler mythological beasts. Also kind of fitting since a single booster is probably going to be launching multiple ships (heads)
>>16772933one comes with slavery, the other with freedom
>>16772944Old people who are still more than healthy enough to participate are an asset because of experience and breadth of skills. Failing that, I'll simply have the money for it to not matter if a company doesn't want to pay my way.
>>16772944>>16772986>>16772922bizarre how so many people still dont understand that ai will make humans obsolete soon
Denmark, about an hour ago
>>16773000pretty
https://x.com/spacewxwatch/status/1962673096416006449>02/00Z solar wind update (01/08:00pm ET):>We've finally made it to moderate geomagnetic storm territory (Kp=6) following a turn of the magnetic field into the southward orientation recently (red) which is welcome for aurora watchers; much of the early portion of the storm has been dominated by positive field, so it's taken a while to get our storm going.>Densities (orange), velocity (purple), and temperature (green) remain high. We may see Kp increase into the mid 7's with this data should it continue this way.Weather reports are looking promising for something, but so far all the on the ground reporting for the lower 48 is coming up empty
https://x.com/Billy_Ch4os/status/1962682201134309767>WNY/ NE Aurora alert!!! >The time is now 9:00pm and we are in prime Aurora conditions here in Western and Upstate NY. Here is a current photo of Mt Katahdin overlooking Millinocket Lake in Mine. Head out to a dark place now!
no clouds but wildfire smoke here. I'll still give it a shot tonight.
>>16773004If low attitude reds and greens is all we're getting, I might as well sit this one out. There's no way these >>16773003 are getting high enough for me to see anything through the hills and trees.
https://x.com/NycStormChaser/status/1962684885497209026>Aurora starting to show up in the Catskills
may I see it?
>>1677301250/50
>>16772998this nigga knows. the stars belong to the machines.
>>16772998ai is plateauing
>>16772920Everyone here is a normie. Anyone who was smart enough to build space hardware is already doing it
>>16773033machines don't have souls
>>16773049neither do u>>16773035just 2 more weeks till ai will stop getting better! i bet you cant solve a single one of these problemssci desperately needs iq test captcha, too many retards shitting up the board
>>16773062>but le line will go up... FOREVERyou don't even understand the S curve. You are a midwit that just extrapolates a linear trend out forever. I bet you fell for The Population Bomb too
>>16772877It doesn't effect form factor but it does obviously help with how long it can run.
>>16773089>makes up some random strawman that has nothing to do with my posti accept your concession
>>16772915You don't fundamentally understand what the endeavor entails if you think there is any room for romantic individualism.>>16772998faggot
>>16773113>can't follow simple sequitur logic chainsYou have bigger problems
>>16773089>I bet you fell for The Population Bomb tothere will be 4 billion more hungry africans by 2100If left unchecked, they will continue to multiply until all of the food is gone and they will all starve to death.
chill out
>>16773128https://x.com/Scientific_Bird/status/1936873038407979254>Africa's Poor Numbers – new long post published! In this piece, I critically examine the quality and availability of data in Africa. I argue that much African data is highly unreliable. In particular, I look at economic data, criminal justice data, and population data. I'm by no means the first to sound alarm about African data quality. It has previously been called "Africa's statistical tragedy". Similarly, a well-known book "Poor Numbers" critically examines Africa's developmental statistics. There's a lack of proper birth registration, death registration, lack of recent censuses, and much more. This chart illustrates a composite measure of statistical capacity across the world. As is evident, Africa is the region with the lowest average score.https://x.com/realhumanschwab/status/1958170542961254507>Just learned African population data is so poor that *no one can judge the degree of inaccuracy*. Meaning that the real population could be... any number. There are no useful estimates. Could be half the reported number or 10%, anyone speaking confidently on the matter is lying. It's literally anyone's guess, a complete Mystery Zone. https://x.com/Bought82068482/status/1960733904807322061>Stats are fake congo hasn't done a national census since 1990. Most African countries i don't even know how many citizens they have.https://x.com/Eldenofthering/status/1958225110101553295>In many African countries, government revenue is handed out based on population sizes, so incentives for states/towns to inflate population numbers.
>>16773151not spaceflight. stop.
>>16772334Proven JWST mirror tech and can launch on a Falcon Heavy? Sold.
>>16773173they aren't thinking large enough. This thing isn't going to be ready for like 10+ fucking years anyway so why not build with starship in mind instead? It'll cost less to launch, you can make it way bigger, and you can use cheaper materials to make it too instead of the fucking beryllium just use a regular ass mirror. It's not like you need the mass savings.
>>16773177Starship doesn't have the physical dimensions to carry and deploy an 11m long box.
>>16773177As for beryllium mirrors, they're dimensionally stable at very low temperatures and have superior thermal properties. Exactly what is needed in the IR bands of a passively cooled space telescope.
>>16773188Yes it does, just expend it and use a regular fairing.>>16773196They're also a huge pain in the dick to machine and there are similarly excellent materials for the structural backing; the actual mirror coating is gold.
>>16773201>Just...Please stop trying to make one off custom Starships for every problem. Engineering and engineering economics don't work that way.
>>16773206Expendable starship variants are something the program already requires anyway. A space telescope is easily years out, so might as well just account for SpaceX being able to make one in a five to ten year timeframe.
>>16773201As for the mirrors, again this is a telescope that requires dimensional stability. It's not some visual band light bucket. Not all mirrors are the same.Please read the appropriate books on the building of Hubble, JWEST and the paper on this proposed scope.
>>16773207>OneYou do not make one offs lightly in mass production, especially when you already have a usable vehicle in FH. Please stop trying to force Starship as the solution to every problem.
>>16773208If I'm not mistaken Invar family alloys are entirely suitable for these applications.>>16773209One as in booking one for the launch, not the only one ever, dude.
>>16773153We can estimate their population from space with satellites.
>>16773035LLMs are plateauingthere are other, complementary approaches that could push things further
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1962706604198928453>The next gen Version 3 Booster forward test tank B18.3 in the Starfactory tonight.
>Not Clickbait
>>16773262looks sovietish
>>16773263>Not ClickbaitWell duh, there's nothing to click
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYnqaXxrDdM
god DAMN Jurvetson's gf is hot
>>16773262cant believe superheavy and starship look like test models. just look at all those holes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Green_River_Intergalactic_Spaceport
>>16773278https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1080961731944275968eh, seems a bit hyperbolic
>>16773300https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1962552718763110429maybe you are confusing her with the others with themalso its his wife
>>16773284>Intergalacticthat's a bit too generous title to throw aroundunless they know something I don't
>>16771199Fun fact, the turbopumps for the V2 rockets were made by a company that made pumps for fire engines.
>>16771347Personally for me it's fun to see bong politics. Certainly a nice change of pace from american politics. Or at least not wannabe american bongs. Definitely the most disheartening thing of the last 10 years is the direct importation of american political movements without even an attempt to adapt to local conditions. Makes the world feel small.
So if we are lucky two more flights this year. The next one being essentially a repeat mission to expend the last V2. Maybe a booster catch.
>>16771637Man the US is lucky to have spacex, they'd be getting mogged hard by china right now if it weren't for them.
>>16773119The wild west didnt succeed because of individualism either. The successes always depended on groups of people coming together.
>>16773128>UN pop projectionsThe assumptions of UN pop projections are so silly. They assume every country will trend towards 2.1, so koreas bithrate will reach 2.1 from 0.7 exactly by 2100, no african country will go below 2.1 and all this is just a smooth curve from whatever a countries current birthrate is to 2.1The UN is still run by lead laden boomers who believe in the population bomb and don't wanna accept the policies they advocated for are causing a population crash. For christs sake they're still talking about the importance of family planning and birth control while birthrates even in africa are crashing.
>>16772977How about: STARDRAGON
>>16773262Could just be a bunch of literal whos speculating on stuff they don’t know about, but online discussion seems to be that this new design will simply tank the powerful exhaust forces and temperatures of staging and that after a number of “rapid reuse” flights the whole booster will have to go on standdown back at the VAB for dome repair and integrated hot stage ring inspection
>>16773278I thought he was gay?
>>16772861Pox-ridden bitch
>>16772783So does America.
>>16773262>Just boring strutsAw man
Why are people calling Flight 10 the quintessential “best flight of the program”? Honeymoon phase after a success? Oh, so v2 finally fucking worked and it ejected a few boilerplate sats… I think catching SuperHeavy on the previous flights was a bigger deal in terms of total program advancement.>inb4 whatabout raptor relightWho cares? Glad they got that checkbox filled but I think future flights with fuel transfer demo and upper stage SS catch will be more impressive
>>16773411I think in terms of progressing the starship program it isn't the best flight (that'd be 4 or 5), but a lot went wrong on flight 10 and the ship and booster were resilient to the faults>engine out on ascent no problem>planned center engine failure with middle ring backup worked perfectly>booster maintained control despite a gridfin locking up in full tilt>on the ship: more tiles missing, an explosion in the aft section during reentry, still softly splashes down on target
>>16773411they already did a raptor relight previouslybut people see this as a bigger deal because SpaceX already has a lot of experience with booster landings and perhaps because they caught it at the first try it seems "easy" to peoplelanding (not that different from catching accuracy-wise) an orbital booster was a thing alreadyhowever, ejecting the boilerplate sats isn't really that impressive but it means the program can start moving forward hopefullythis mostly successful test flight also means that the problems with v2 have been mostly fixed and the v3 ship should not differ very much from v2 (a bit more propellant, v3 raptors) so I guess the expectation is that it should work almost right awaythe big thing that is changing with the v3 stack is the booster
>>16773417V3 engines better work or it’s an entire additional year of lost time
I had a moment today
>>16773420watch v3 be just unreliable and fragile enough to need shielding, necessitating another 15 tons of dry mass on the booster.
>>16773430Why would a booster need shielding?
>>16773436to stop engine 33 from killing engines 32 and 27 when it explodes
>>16773421Rockets everywhere for those with eyes to see
>>16773411>Why are people calling the first 100% successful flight the “best flight of the program”?Anon I...
https://www.comnews.ru/content/240960/2025-09-01/2025-w36/1007/tekhnologiya-5g-d2c-zadyshit-rossiiInteresting case of a Russian private satellite company buying a launch service on what looks like to be an upcoming chinese commercial RLV
>>16773460Non orcish source?
>>16773420The other side of this coin is that if v3 engines end up working fine, then the program is probably going to ramp up again and make leaps and bounds exponentially like how it felt during the hop campaign & first flights.
>>16773460The situation is dire
>>16773421>labeled "staples">has a picture of a pen on it>it's actually a notebook
>>16773463Starship development has never felt exponential. It's been extremely long and tedious. They've been working on this shit since 2014 and have yet to deploy a useful payload. Fucking Shuttle was developed faster and from a less advantageous starting point. You can point at cadence, but does it matter if even the very good flights only bring marginal improvement? V3 better deliver.
>>16773486>They've been working on this shit since 2014No they haven't, they've only been working on it since 2019.
Going off the service life of a Merlin, which is about 10 flights before major refurbishment, Starship boosters will have a service life of 10 flights. Not great.With the V3 engine they are giving up on the idea of being able to refurb the engines at all, since everything is inside. Musk says they will cut the engines in half and weld them back together, but that's obviously fucking stupid. Seems like Superheavy may be substantially less reusable than falcon in that sense.
>>16773487>they've only been working on it since 2019.How much of a newfag are you? 2019 is when they started making flight hardware? It was 5 years between Enterprise (the glider) and STS-1, so shuttle was faster even in that regard.Shuttle program started 4 years before Enterprise, the hardest and longest task was developing the engines which they were doing from day 1.Raptor for Starship has been in development since 2014. How tf can you even say that the program started in 2019 when Musk was very vocally claiming they were doing the program in 2016? Deluded or trolling.
>>16773495Development of the Shuttle began in the sixties.
>>16773495If we're going off of pre-cursor paper rockets then the shuttle started development in 1957 as dynasoar
>>16773490Methane engine needs less refurb than kerosene engine
The reason we don't hear radio signals is because radio is retardedThe reason we don't see dyson spheres is because dyson spheres are retardedZoo Hypothesis is the solution to the Fermi """Paradox"""
>>16773486
>>16773507
>>16773507>>16773509they can't keep getting away with it
Fuh-Q
>Space Force likely moving to AlabamaI wonder what will happen to the space fence
>>16772123I don't think the market for space internet is that large. Fiber and 5G are usually superior when they are available, which tend to be the places that have lots of customers with high purchasing power. Also, in ten years there will be strong competition, which will drive profit margins to zero. Furthermore, I think you underestimate how expensive interplanetary colonization will actually be.I haven't noticed much money being funneled into actual interplanetary colonization yet, only into a potentially dual purpose transport system.
>>16773507The launches aren't relevant; progress to a functional system is. Starship progress has been slow and recently seemed to be going backwards for a time.
>>16773487It actually began even earlier than 2014. Raptor development began around 2012
>>16773515>Also, in ten years there will be strong competition, which will drive profit margins to zero.retard alerteven if the other players were credible (they aren't), they're fighting an established player with first mover advantage, who can operate more profitably by virtue of having more market shareyou still need a whole constellation even if barely anyone uses it, because the satellites aren't in GEO
>>16773517>Falcon 9 was a finished vehicle on its first launch
>>16773456Great they proved V2 wasn’t a total waste of time as it was heading out the door. HLS demo on the Moon in 2 weeks
>>16773522>first mover advantageWhat are these first mover advantages? The ground terminal is quite cheap; vendor lock-in effects are very weak. Even more so when phone connectivity; phones will probably be equipped to be compatible with at least 2 alternatives out of the box.>you still need a whole constellation even if barely anyone uses itA basic constellation to cover the globe is just a few thousand satellites. You only need a larger constellation if you want to increase user density.
>>16773519And shuttle development began in 1957
>>16773526Flight 3 was a revenue flight performing services for a customer
>>16773530>just a few thousand satellites
>>16773062>AI CAN DO LE METHMATICSwoah, holy shit, nobody ever expected AI to be able to do that.
>>16773531By that logic, Starship development began in 1921 when Goddard began developing liquid rockets
>>16773537By that logic shuttle dev started in 1390 with wan hu doing the first human spaceflight
>>16773535Kuiper plans 3,236 in total. Starlink began commercial services in 2021 when it had ~1,500. China's Qianfan plans to begin limited regional service with 648 and global coverage with 1,296.
>>16773539按照你这样的分析,星舰本来是黄帝开发的。
>>16773539We might be able to take it back as far as ~1000AD when rockets might have been invented
>>16773540Yeah and at this rate they'll lose their license when they fail to put "just a few thousand" into orbit next year
>>16773539>>16773542Why stop there? Fire was invented at least 790,000 years ago
>>16773543Will they? Qianfan filed in 2023, so they should have until 2032 to reach the 10% (1,300) milestone.And even if they lose their ITU slots, so what? They'll likely launch anyway, ITU slot or not.
>>16773546Kuiper
>>16773547Doesn't the same logic apply for Kuiper? The ITU license can just be ignored, the FCC license can just be extended.
>>16773526It WAS a finished vehicle. It was launching dummy payloads to test that it was indeed finished, worked perfectly, then proceeded to do commercial launches. Starship is nowhere near a finished vehicle and in it's present state is totally incapable of completing basic design requirements. Twice the thrust of Saturn V yet payload to orbit roughly equal to that of falcon. Humiliating really.
>>16773560SpaceX doesn't need a finished vehicle this timeF9 had a MVP version that got then updated for better performancethis time SpaceX doesn't need to produce a MVP and can start iterating much more aggressively and quickly, which will probably ultimately get to a much better place compared to if they did a MVP and then had to keep a bunch of "tech debt" with them like with F9
I feel like basic understanding of the Falcon 9 development cycle and Falcon XXX-Raptor/BFR/ITS/Starships dev cycle history should be basic requirements before positing. Many of you need to lurk way more
Ok but why haven't they made any progress towards Flight 11? What are they doing? What the fuck are they waiting for?
I feel like basic understanding of the apollo development cycle and dyna-soar/aerospaceplane/ILRV/DC-3/space shuttle dev cycle history should be basic requirements before posting. Many of you need to lurk way more
>>16772943
They're so far ahead of the competition that they could just pretty much keep printing money with F9 and Starlink for the next ten years at least. Starship R&D is burning a lot of money, but it doesn't even really have a proper reason to exist unless they can achieve every last thing they want it to do. So they can and should keep minmaxing Starship until it can do every circus trick, if the end product was a compromise in any way, the whole thing has just been pointless
>>16772915>>16772929Spaceflight will be the age of sail. We basically sailed to the Moon and back in a raft, now it's time to construct large vessels in orbit and launch them en masse to Mars.Mars is the new American frontier. Inhospitable and unforgiving, but we will bring life to it.
>>16773560>and in it's present state is totally incapable of completing basic design requirements>literally just deployed a test payload
>>16773534How many flights did it take for F9 to land, how many for reuse.
>>16773513Isn't that based on an island in the Pacific?
Supposedly Trump will announce they are moving space command todayWho loses? Who Gains? What is the tradeoff? Will this change literally anything that matters?
>>16773590>Will this change literally anything that matters?No
>>16773590>Who loses?Colorado>Who Gains?Alabama
ROCKET CITY
>>16773590>We are losing the race to China very badly and to RussiaSpace force has nothing to do with Artemis. Russia?
>>16772943We will never settle in the ravine because we are too retarded to land in places that aren't completely flat
>>16773570there is no hurry now, after Flight 11 you have to wait for the first v3 stack to actually be constructed (both the ship and booster are not finished) and then you have the pad that is still under construction and then has to be tested before launchprobably 4-6 months before v3 launches, plenty of time to launch the last v2 stackmight as well digest the flight data and make some considered changes for tests if this is the only launch for a whilebut I mean they will probably launch it pretty soon, tile testing in particular will probably inform v3 ship as wellits just that launching one week earlier or later isn't going to affect things much if you have to wait for the v3 stack anyway
>>16773574yeah, the point is to decrease cost of mass to space massively, not just have a big launch vehicle
>>16773600Who are you quoting?
>>16773611POOTISMaybe he is talking about the weaponization of space. Who knows.
>>16773616No you aren't.
>>16773602angry boomer is right though, there is tons of resources and the massive cliff faces will massively reduce radiation exposure
It is inevitable
>>16773626Only took them 60 years
>>16773590>“President Trump is doing the right thing by moving SPACECOM back to its rightful home in Sweet Home Alabama. This was never supposed to be about politics. After a thorough selection process involving 66 possible locations, Huntsville was chosen fair and square. But unfortunately, the Biden Administration chose politics over national security. Thankfully, President Trump, Secretary Hegseth, and Secretary Meink are restoring merit and integrity to the process and saving taxpayers nearly a half a billion dollars. We couldn’t be more excited to immediately welcome SPACECOM to the Rocket City.” >Sen. Tommy Tuberville (AL)Shelby's ghost still has power.>But Shelby is still aliveHe's gained mastery over the astral plane.
>>16773628Better than taking 70 years or more.
