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>government got shut down>last time it happened was in 2018what was spaceflight like back then?
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>>16802667saved
Yotsuba is officially a hag
Watch out, SpaceXThere's a new starship in town.
SRB for hefty thrust
>>16802670Nothing. Critical services keep rolling.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1973294373065597420
>>16802696>>16802698Just stop... you're beating a dead horse.
>>16802700>part of Americawhat happened to Mars being sovereign?
>>16802707that comes later
>>16802707Mars will be independent when it gets colonized (never)
>>16802707The capital of America will be moved to Mars
>>16802707mars rebellion is built-in to our timeline
>>16802700That’s nice Elon but the Indians you want to bring in by the millions couldn’t give less of a fuck about America as a country or idea except as a way to obtain rupees
I put poop in my mouth
>>16802726Rent free
>>16802734you just know bill is in his job because he says yes to any absurd shit Musk comes up with.
>>16802726The indians are there to work, not to make decisions.
>>16802738musk is the decision maker yes
>>16802736>>16802740Get the fuck out of my country
>>16802741the point of having employeeslike bill is that they can help you make decisions and offer pushback where necessary, not just blindly impliment disasterous orders.
What's with ESA and buzzwords
>>16802707Dont count the chicken before they hatch. Otherwise they will destroy the eggs
>>16802738elon loves pushback if you back it up with hard facts>>16802777they've fallen into the if we say the right words and do some performative nonsense we'll have our own reusable rocket trap
>>16802792>elon loves pushbackHe used to but his personality has changed. Hejust firessomeone who gives sustained pushback against questionable ideas.
>>16802707lol, anons slowly realizing that musk is actually the enemy
>>16802707Mars governor X and President Baron Trump will have a falling out just as their fathers did, leading to Martian independence and earthers learning their place after the interplanetary war.
>>16802805you're retarded
>>16802799And you know this how?
>>16802806Barron trump will be ruling over the collapsed wasteland of the United States as its sole dictator trying to unfuck the ten billion brown goblins while the Chinese rule mars
>>16802707Martian independence happens after Elon dies, I guess
>>16802700He will flee to Russia to avoid prison
>>16802696>>16802698This is like comparing Starhopper with New Glenn.
>>16802700wrong. he's also canadian and south african.
>>16802777They are an agency that relies on funding from bureaucrats. Making a bunch of cool-looking powerpoints with catchy buzzwords is key to getting the funding.In that sense, it's almost a miracle that they are actually working on concepts for reusability less than ten years after it became the new normal.If you compare this to the absolutely abysmal lack of research and development in the years after Ariane 5 became operational, this is moving fast.
>>16802817>failed statesmay as well say he's also rhodesian
>>16802826I wish I could afford to get the fuck out of dodge after I fuck up my situation and burn all bridgesnot a bad plan actually, maybe hes going for 109
I want to play some fucking moon sports
>>16802696I'm really not sure what the goal is with launching a reusable second stage demonstrator on top of the Vega SRB first stagelike, Vega already has zero payload
>>16802839The goal is to do a feasibility study to pretend like they’re important
>>16802842well yeah obviously this isn't a launch vehicle, it's a multi-year long, $40million feasibility study on what it would take to design a technology demonstrator that, if built, would do nothing but demonstrate that it could be done in a world where Starship has already succeeded
Tianwen 2 says hiCASC actually posted this lol:>[The Versatile "Space Selfie Stick"]>The "selfie stick" is a multifunctional robotic arm developed by the General Design Department of the Fifth Academy. During this mission, it gracefully extended and precisely adjusted its angle, successfully achieving a perfect framing of the national flag and Earth. However, capturing a group photo is just a taste of this robotic arm's capabilities; it will prove itself in even more challenging and critical tasks in the future, such as asteroid sampling, becoming a valuable aid in space exploration
>>16802864Wouldn’t be chinese without a selfie stick kek
>>16802864Disappointed. In the back of my mind, I wanted to believe the extreme secrecy is because they are testing NEP.
>>16802864CGI
>>16802865>>16802870>>16802878holy copium
>>16802881What’s wrong with the first post about the selfie stick, was just making a joke about the chynease
This book looks fair and objective.
@16802888Damn, wasted trips, what's up with that title font and mall shitty books for people that don't even read them after they buy them.
>it’s another episode featuring a US Astronaut publicly voicing their fuckass retarded political opinion on twitterTiresome, make it stop
>Collins was awarded this five-year cost-plus maintenance contract in 2010 for $324 million. Since then NASA has been repeatedly extending it, so that it now runs through 2027 and has funneled $1.4 billion into Collins’ bank account. Yet Collins has repeatedly failed to deliver necessary repair parts, even as there have been more frequent problems on ISS, including several cases where spacewalks had to be aborted because an astronaut’s life was in danger. You don't. Hate NASA. Enough.
>>16802891A brutal redpill is astronauts are pretty much modern F1 drivers: boring as fuck, coddled but controlled by their bosses on what can they say and do and with basic bitch opinions on any other topic
Sure hope this isn't another chip on plastic pizza laser sail.
>>16802894That's a good lesson for other countries to learn from. Industry independence may be expensive at first but eventually it will paid itself off when you learn and improve so much of your tech and processes compared to outsourcing everything important.
spoiler: It's another chip on a plastic pizza laser sail.
Just more of this nonsense until we figure out a proper fusion drive:https://spectrum.ieee.org/high-speed-interstellar-travel
>>16802881No seriously. NEP would've been sick for this. US and JP have already done asteroid sample return so it's nothing new. Novel propulsion would've been awesome.
>>16802891government employees shouldnt be allowed to vote or voice their political opinions
>16802907holy copium
Senate Democrats discover the problem with NASA is they're not getting enough of your money, and you're asking too many questions. Also, they found out Trump is a meany pants.https://www.commerce.senate.gov/services/files/B1CC17F2-50CE-4C0B-89C9-B713FE76E146
>>16802913Unironically true though. NASA recieves way less money than the space force yet is expected to maintain a dozen interplanetary missions, fund getting humans a permenant base on the moon, and fund a continuous human presence in LEO. They do more useful work than the space force for a small fraction of the budget.
>everyone in the space force is exempt from the new fitness standards being set by the militarygrim
>>16802881Dumb ugly post, get better at it.
>>16802916"Way less"FY2025 Space Force budget: $28.7 billionFY2025 NASA budget $24.9 billionWhy did you come in here to simply lie?
>>16802916Some fat was cut and you’re crying.
>>16802927That's an entire HLS contract worth of money every year btw.
>Chinese company Geovis Insighter Technology plans to establish a constellation of 144 space situational awareness (SSA) satellitessoon
>>16802927So 4 billion is pocket change for you? Damn didn't know billionaires posted on 4chan
>>16802935You’re being disingenuous
>>16802935not even him but come on, after the SLS fiasco this has to be bait.
>>16802935$4 billion is what NASA has given Collins for the malfunctioning ISS suits they service and the Artemis suit contract they withdrew from after they failed to deliver anything.So yes, $4 billion is nothing to NASA.
>>16802667>birthday hat is nose-cone shaped>doesn't use an image that takes advantageone job, anon...
>>16802927>>16802932>>16802935>>16802939*** semantic discussion alert ***** semitic discussion alert *** recommend abort procedure *
Speaking of space suits, Axiom TCB after NASA and Collins failed miserably.
>>16802962Didn’t axiom express reluctance on their suits? Plus I think overall they’re in financial trouble and probably aren’t gonna make it.NASA needs a long-term, stable, new suit vendor. Whose name rhymes with ShplaceX.
>>16802962I really want to see what happens when SpaceX starts scaling suit production, especially for eva/surface ones. We get occasional hints that they're working on it but frustratingly little detail.
Genuinelly what's stopping you from slapping an oxygen talk on one of these bad boys and going for an EVA?
>>16802968you'd overheat and die or freeze and die
>>16802975bring a hand warmer or a pack of ice. there, I just solved the multi billion dollar contract.
>>16802968you’d be just fine as long as you kept the eva under 15 minutes and it didn’t puff up too much for you to make it back in the airlock.
>>16802968Don't listen to this fagass >>16802975 you'd be just fine and this is a good idea.In fact vacuum is way easier than deep sea you can just put on very tight compression clothes and an oxygen mask and you'll be mostly fine.
i love being collared
whats the problem with other space companies? not enough capital? can't attract top tier talent? shit management?
>>16802984>shit management?it always starts with this
>>16802984I mean I doubt Musk had personally a lot to do with the design of the EVA suit (a lot of other shit to do) and as far as I remember from Isaacman it wasn't a very big team that designed the suit initially at leasttoo much bureucracy in the companies even if they aren't big?
>>16802984Well rocketlab has developed Electron and Neutron far more competently than SpaceX developed their small and medeum lift rockets. It's jsut that the CEO is boring.
>>16802987lol really nowrocketlab is one of the few companies that are actually competently doing something, but still a far cry from SpaceX
>>16802987they have decent management but no hype gain so they cant get money to accelerate. sounds like a management problem. they need a hype man.
>>16802984I was thinking of this yesterday. Pretty big power gap between companies like astra, firefly, rocketlab, etc and someone like SpaceX even during the F1 & early F9 era.It’s all three of the reasons you listed, likely. Rocketlab comes close, same with firefly, but spacex mastered the art of gathering investors with deep pockets early on. And starlink has now launched their assets and available cash into the stratosphere. And they didn’t have to go public to do this.
>>16802989Falcon 1 was a shitshow which was never economically viable even once it became operational. Without the NASA funding to develop Falcon 9 SpaceX would have been done. Musk has said this a great many times.Meanwhile Electron took the niche of Falcon 1 and actually succeeded at it, becoming the most sucessful small lift launcher on the market.Falcon 9 develoment plus all the further development to make stage 1 and fairings reusble cost roughly 1 billion according to Elon.Neutron will be ready after about 600 million, round it up to 1 billion assuming they make massive changes for several years after the initial flights. So by cost Rocketlab and SpaceX are equal, and by design Neutron offers superior reusability for a medium lift launcher.
>>16802993the falcon 1 niche is retarded
"New space suit phone. Who dis?"
>>16802994Clearly worked well enough for rocketlab to do 70 flights without going broke.
>>16802984People at SpaceX work like dogs.SpaceX knows how to capture the energy of youth from fresh graduates. Not only do they allow such young grads into SpaceX but they also allow them to work essentially as much as they want. At some point however the 12 hours in a day becomes a commitment you must uphold to really stay relevant in the company.The people who get burnt out end up at other companies.This is actually pretty traditional as far as aerospace go. It's only the last few decades has rocket building become white collar and full of old men who aren't interested in building things.
>>16802995the lengths niggas will go to to spy on their ex.
>>16802995AMOGUS
Thehigh end estimate for dev cost of New Glenn matches the low end dev cost for Starship, both 10 billion. Money well spent on New Glenn?
>>16802996most of their revenue is from non-launch
>>16802995Poor fella looks like he got tossed out of a moving car with all those painful marks on his body.
>>16802993That's nice. Not impressive, because those payloads weigh less than the average 8th grader, but nice.
>>16802968would probably pop like a balloon and have no thermal control either.
If earth had a minmus do you think we would have landed humans on it by now?I think apollo would have still gone to the moon, much like noobs get tricked into going to the mun when minmus is an easier round trip. but maybe apollo 16 and 17 would have gone there, or maybe funding wouldn’t have dried up so fast if there was another obvious destination.
>>16803001Lmao not really, it’s more apt to compare it to ULA’s Vulcan
>>16803006Humans would have gone there under constellation or artemis due to the lower delta v required.
"We need a new space suit, but it has to look gay.""How gay?""Really REALLY gay."
:(
>>16803032I understand APOLOGIZING for the inconvenience, but what do they mean they “regret the inconvenience”? Am I just ESL?
>>16803037they wish they could do thing but they cannot and so feel bad.
>>16803037As in it's not their fault, apologizing is an admission of guilt.
>>16803037It's basically like "we're sorry it's happening but it's not our fault"
So, yeah. This:https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/nasa-continuity-of-appropriations-plan-final-9-29-2025.pdf
NASA is your brother-in-law sleeping on your couch when he could be out looking for a job.
>>16803060>>16803066Dammit I have a long weekend and wanted to go do another JSC run on Friday to see if they’ve updated the vehicle mockup facility. They’re probably closed at the moment
>>16803066>cutting basic public outreach instead of going after (((subcontractor))) pirates who swindle NASA for everything they have while delivering the bare minimum if that.
>>16803077That isn’t the issue here
Any NASA drone furloughed during this tragic "shutdown" will receive full back pay. So, this is actually a paid vacation.You don't hate NASA enough.
>>16803077SpaceX is on that list.
>>16803084space X isn't overcharging for shit to fund their secret black tech programs unlike boeing and locksneed
Why is Astrum such low-effort slop?
>>16803084SpaceX will be losing money with HLS
I wish I was American. It's not fair. I want to be part of the nation that inherits the stars.
So, NASA doesn't actually need these 15 thousand employees to do actual space stuff. But you dare not fire them, and make sure you have their paycheck ready when they get back.
>>16803091Our politicians hate us, we aren’t conquering shit
>>16803090So will Blue Origin. Anybody would lose money on the joke commercial lunar contracts for Artemis.
Next year is gonna be PACKED>first v3 flights>first orbital flight>first ship catch >first tanker>Artemis 2>Vast haven 1 launch first commercial space station>dreamchaser flight 1>blue ghost 2>IM 2
>>16803090It’s free money for a human rated starship which they wanted to build anyway.
>>16802667The SpaceX starship looks so cool.
>>1680309725 launches for sure
>>16803093Detestment for the rulers was why you left Europe and founded America under a strong constitution, and the Martian colonists will do the same. Martian culture and law will be inherited from that of the States which itself was inherited from Europe.
>>16803097>>Vast haven 1 launch first commercial space stationAbsolutely mega based. This is what we need to ensure that we'll reach the space empire future
>>16803097don’t forget neutron and didn’t IM 2 already happen
>>16803097?
>>16802919Don't need to be fit in zero-g
>>16803106already been done. same with reusable self landing rockets
>>16803037"It can't be helped"
>>16803101Around 20 launches is completely feasible. If they start building V3s concurrently before the first flight and there are no major redesigns. Actually that doesn't sound very feasible.
>>16803114kek
>>16803066So if you're working with NASA per contract on something then you're fucked unless it's pre-approved by trump? gg
The Sun has just been confirmed to contain a subsurface ocean
>>16803114Well, reusable launchpad would help a lot.
>>16803133it’s probably just an icy slush, not a true ocean.
>spend 99% of my time either thinking about space, reading about space, or playing space games>never have dreams about spaceWhy?
happy birthday NASA!birthday gift: full government shutdown and mass firings and canceling of several dozen science missions
In the lab today and one guy here is from SpaceX. Guess they are EMI testing some component or another.
>>16803097Next year is gonna be PACKED>first v3 flights>first orbital flight>first ship catch >first tanker>Artemis 2>Vast haven 1 launch first commercial space station>blue ghost 2>IM 2Fixed 4 u
>>16803137skill issue
>>16803137I usually don’t have computers or clocks or smartphones in my dreams, despite near constant use in everyday life. Dreams are the brains way of detoxing consciousness and usually are primed by small thoughts throughout the earlier period of the day
>>16803083>>16803092>reasonable measure to limit haemorrhaging workers to new space>HOW DARE THEYlel, these people still need to pay their bills with money that NASA would've spent anyway without a shutdown
https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1973442123681899001
>>16803149>thank you to all our partners that we will mercilessly crush once the non-compete clauses of our contracts expire
>>16803133Fun fact: some layers of the chronosphere never receive sunlight, allowing ice to build up there from meteor impacts over many millions of years.
>>16803114>20 launches>completely feasiblelol, there's going to be a gap after this flight of at least a couple months while the first V3 hardware is finalised plus Pad B will only be complete by the end of the year with full operation slipping into early 26'. 8-12 Flights in 2026 is the best case scenario where they actually start with the orbital refuelling campaign and stop losing ships during MECO and stop the heatshield testing.
>>16803137I haven't had anymore dreams about future events in my life... That probably means I'm going to die.
>>16802993>Neutron will be ready after about 600 million, round it up to 1 billion assuming they make massive changes for several years after the initial flights. So by cost Rocketlab and SpaceX are equal, and by design Neutron offers superior reusability for a medium lift launcher.By payload, Neutron is a massively inferior launch vehicle to the Falcon 9. Revise accordingly.
>>16803106Not a chance. They'll be about a year out AFTER they've finally shown off a production pathfinder.
>>16803105meant IM 3
>>16803114we'll have 9 flights in 2026 minimum
>>16803141You forgot:SpaceX: Mars 2026
>>16803177they aren't gonna launch to mars next year. 2028 is also doubtful but theres a chance. 2030 is more likely
>>16803170*maximum
>>16803178Wow got a SpaceX doubter here
>>16803178In 2030 you will be greyhaired and giving similar asesments into the future. Realistically men on Mars before Musk dies is a grand achievement short of a sudden giant apollo level national effort and huge funding to NASA.
>2030 is just 5 years awayholy fuck
>>16803178>As of September 2024, SpaceX planned to launch five uncrewed Starships to Mars during the next available Earth–Mars transfer window in 2026>Plans then call for steadily increasing the number of flights every 26 months, in each subsequent launch opportunity: 100 Starships in 2031, 500 in 2033, working up to the eventual target of “1,000 or 2,000 ships per Mars rendezvous,” Musk said, with each crewed Starship carrying 100 to 200 passengers.Trust the Plan. And enjoy your Blackened Grilled Cheese Sandwich.
>>16803187We're about to finish the first quarter of the 21st Century. Weird huh?
>>16803190yeah that's just not going to happen. There are far too many unknowns.
>>16803141There will be also some big headlines because of the Rubin Vera observatory, it will very likely discover next year many asteroids that appear to collide with Earth in the next few years with a probability of ~3% and also some interstellar objects that will make some schizo headlines and maybe it will even confirm Planet 9 next year.
>>16803201>it will very likely discover next year many asteroids that appear to collide with Earthfree materials for asteroid mining companies. Honestly we need a mission to bring an NEO into earth orbit for resource extraction. you could do it with a large deployable solar sail or similar to change it's orbit gradually.
I am tired of icy moon news slop
Wow, this general is expanding to other boards.
>>16803213>An invasive speciesAway with you
Decided not to explore space as a career smoking is more important and satisfaction is instant
https://youtu.be/alL435MvQew
>>16803212sooner or later we can dispense with the microbeslop and talk about REAL aliens, and no not the little grey faggots
>>16803217le reddit cats space agency
>>16803217Holy shiz this game looks like AASSSSSS
>>16803217I really like the parts. Was worried they were going for turbo realism when they initially had a replica of the apolo csm in that pre alpha. Hoping those procedural craters shown off will be used in the game and form craters when you crash into an object. Craters+ ejecta when you slam into an object would be revolutionary.
>>16802962I bet /sfg/ could build a functioning space suit with some help from /diy/.
The odds on Venusian Cloud Aliums just improved.
>>16803236It's a joke that our udnerstanding of Venus still relies on probes sent out beyond living memory of most people.
>>16803241rocketlab will fix this
>>16803222Why does the cat aspect make people seethe? Seems like an innocent and silly idea to me. Are the devs cringe or something?
>>16803244the cats are cringe, the devs too
>>16803244just a visceral anti-furry reaction even if the game itself isn't like that
>>16803254anti-cringe reaction more like, Kerbals I could tolerate cuz le funny green aliens, but adding cats is just pure reddit millenial cringe shit
>>16803217>bikeshedding about graphics effects shit instead of core game loop>tranny flag and palestine cord reactions to patch notesthis is bearish. ksp is really not a very complicated game to copy either
>>16803244I jsut want to use little pot-belly african kids instead.
>>16803187Well not really, it's almost 2026 so it's more like four years. Reminder that it's in fact October already and not May
>>16803255I guess that tookerbals are pretty gaysimple nondescript cartoon humans would be best
>>16803258unrealistic. africans can never into space
>>16803244checked, in my case i feel like the game is trying me to care for it, like trying to manipulate my feelings because i like cats, like the sorry excuse of a game that is pic rel
>>16803260kerbals looks like that so people dont feel bad when they have horrible deaths
>>16803261I'm Gru from despicable me and i'm sending them into the sun.
>>16803259>2030 is in 4 years>it's in fact October already and not May>Oct 1. 2025
>there are 12 months in a year
>>16803256The core game loop is already in retard. It's an orbital flight simulator it's not rocket science.>not wanting good graphics in a space simulatorJust stick to KSP then and fuck off. If my GPU isn't melting due to lighting effects and volumetric clouds then it's not enough.
>>16803236>reanalyzed pioneer dataThis has to be a fucking joke. Why the fuck did we just give up studying Venus for no reason?
>>16803273>no reasonthe place is a hellhole of course people would give up
>>16803273Because Mars has better lobbying at JPL
>>16803275Mars seemed more promising and Vnus was always the Soviet's gig until they died
>>16803277mars is also easier to explore since it doesnt melt everything you try to land on it
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1973514018460672129
>>16803304[math]\unicode{x1F192}[/math]
For weeks I've been asking the smartest people in the space industry if there is any practicable way to accelerate Artemis III. Well, I've found a compelling answer. I'll share it tomorrow morning.
>>16803329Thanks Eric, I’ll buy your book btw!
I would not bullshit about this.
>>16803329the compelling answer is complete HLS on time. we don't have another lander period. if our government was serious about getting back to the moon by the end of the decade we would have already done HLS round 3 funding for a lander that doesn't need fucking orbital filling to get to the moon
>>16803338your other options were national team (already being built anyways btw and gonna be late as fuck) and ALPACA (you think dynetics would have been faster than SX?)
>>16803340apparently hes talked to super smart space people, I can't believe I am now eagerly awaiting a burger post, there better be a long article or something why are you teasing a freaking X post like an artist teases album release dates
>>16803340ROUND 3 ANON. do another round of contracts. Very basic restrictions. build a lander with these requirements.1. Launch to NRHO on existing launchers2. Ferry two people to the lunar south pole and back3. Doesn't need any refueling, make it expendable if need be4. Be done on timeThat's fucking it.we should have done this 4 years ago. Give the contract to the CLPS providers.
just cancel artemiswhats the point of reenacting apollo with even less ambition ?
>>16803353We can't let the chinks colonize what is rightfully ours.
>>16803361artemis has no thought towards 'colonization'merely a couple prolonged visits, sample collection, makework nonsense, first gay sex on the moon, etc
>>16803365Lucky us then that Mr Evil himself Jeffy wants to utilize the moon for his space habitat dreams. Forget NASA and their weak ambition. the moon will belong to Amazon corporation and mars will belong to Space Exploration Technologies corporation.The future is commercial.
For seconds I've been asking the smartest people in the /sfg/ industry if there is any practicable way to accelerate this thread. Well, I've found a compelling answer. I'll share it tomorrow morning.
>>16803368> The future is commercialAlways has been, a common sci-fi trope is that the owners of asteroids and space-related cool stuff is from some ridiculously big corpo. Remember Dead Space?
OMG GUYS 3i ATLAS IS GONNA BLACK SWAN AHHHHHHHHwhen is this guy gonna give up the grift man. It's embarrassing at this point.
>>16803376never so long as he has a book to sell
>>16803376When he dies. This is the pitfall of Tenure.
>>16803340>>16803349If you build HLS out of shortened tanks and use an expendable Starship to get it up there and perform the TLI burn that way, you can use a much, much smaller HLS and a lot fewer refueling flights.
>>16803376grifter physiognomy
>>16803387>jams like the pez dispenser
>>16803389
>>16803376>spectroscopically analyzed by both hubble and webb>obviously a comet>only notable attributes are it is hyperbolic and moving fast enough to catch the solar system 'from behind'>dude aliensLame, Heavens Gate did it better
>>16803393it doesn't make sense even in the context of ufos. They zip around at 250,000 mph (more than double 3iA) like it's nothing, do hard right angle turns, accelerate to ludicrous speed instantly. And somehow they are arriving in their mothership which happens to look and move exactly like a comet?
>>16802667Nice
>>16803275There’s literally only one planet that isn’t a hellhole and you’re already sitting on it.
>>16803304AA Please fucking dump Viasat and swap to Starlink PLEASE
Test your attention span watch the full 17 minutes i dare youhttps://x.com/davill/status/1973527019557363723
>>16803442>be me>play that video, only last like 7 seconds>close the tab, open youtube>nothing to watch>close the tab, ctrl+tab to esefgee again>no new posts, open youtube againyeah, my adhd ass is fucked. neuralink might help me one day, or not idk
>>16803448we are fucked https://x.com/ScienceNews/status/1972680314552987688
>>16803448you just have to be aware of thay when it happens and close the browser inmediately. Also stop any music you are listening to. walk a bit on your room and start thinking about the day. I have the same problem for too long to the point i started to feel retarded, shit's scary and I'm just 28yo
>>16803449didnt know this was a wider trend
>>16803451this along with chronic procrastination are my arch nemesis. sometimes i have to use advanced methods like the pomodoro timer thing so that i can even begin to study.
https://spacenews.com/private-mission-study-a-step-toward-offering-orion-as-a-service/Launching Orion on New Glenn coming soon, maybe.
>>16803460When aliens get to earth they will cower in fear at our might, we will have done feasibility studies for how to conquer the universe! We will have double their powerpoints!
>>16803460>another study*yawn*
>>16803460>with one launch carrying Orion and the other a transfer stagecool so we don't need gateway at all for long term since they SURELY will engineer a transfer stage that will allow orion to go to orbits other than NRHO right?
>>16803461The geostationary blinkenlight aliens disappeared as soon as Yuri Gagarin reached orbit, so clearly they fear us.
>>16803466>ayyliens backing further and further away the further humanity makes it out of the gravity well and into spacecool idea>they backed off the Mars after the moon landings>now 50+ years later they're still like what the fuck is taking you so long
>>16803476they have to back off to avoid being discovered. not necessarily because they are scared though it could be prime directive shit.This is why everyone is saying they are coming from the oceans now. That's literally the best place to hide
>>16803478We must remove the oceans and leave the vile xenos no hiding place.
>>16803478i dont actually believe in ayys I would prefer it if they didn't even know we exist, this 12LY region of space belongs to humanity alone, this will be the central imperial core of human space civilization which will stretch out for several hundreds lightyears
>>16803480>if they didn't even know we existif they exist they know we exist.
>>16803480Too many red dwarfs stop the count
>>16803484Red dwarves are worthless for life
Red dwarf implies the existence of blue elves
>>16803484>>16803486we're really lucky honestly we have a good bunch of different star types to experience relatively close by>sun>sun-like stars>red dwarfs>orange dwarf>motherfucking SIRUIS A-type and binary star systemReally cool shit for just the nearest 12 light years, almost the full range of star types
>>16803493I hope alpha centauri isn't a bust. I'm not happy about this eccentric saturn clone they're talking about.
>>16803141At least a couple of these things are going to have their first launch attempts next year. Meanwhile, Arianespace will probably have more copeconferences than launches, which is always good entertainment
https://x.com/CJHandmer/status/1973400658637365487
https://spacenews.com/private-mission-study-a-step-toward-offering-orion-as-a-service/>An agreement to study a private astronaut mission using an Orion spacecraft is one of the first steps by Lockheed Martin in its efforts to offer the spacecraft as a service. At the International Astronautical Congress here Sept. 30, Lockheed Martin announced an agreement with BioAstra, a nonprofit organization, to study flying a mission in Orion beyond Earth orbit to perform biomedical research.>A shift to a services model raises other issues. The Orion service module is provided by the European Space Agency under a barter agreement with NASA. Byers said Lockheed has been talking with both ESA and Airbus Defence and Space, the prime contractor for the service module, about how they could work together under a services approach. That could involve making technical changes to the service module, such as incorporating equipment to enable longer missions. “How do we take what we have today that’s reproducible, and then how do we expand that to offer a broader service model in the future and be able to offer different missions,” he said, such as the BioAstra concept.>Lockheed is also examining alternatives to the Space Launch System for flying Orion. That would likely involve a dual-launch approach, with one launch carrying Orion and the other a transfer stage that dock in low Earth orbit before going to the moon or on other deep space missions.Every time you think SLS has found a new way to cheat death, something else comes up proving that Boeing just isn't run by Chris Kemp.
>>16803508>Orion as a Serviceyeah aint nobody riding that shit for $4 billion a pop
>>16803486the aliens people report have huge eyes and they couldn't have evolved from nocturnal ancestors unless the only habitable part of the planet is dark or a permanent dusk. don't give up on them just yet there is a chance even if it's slim
>>16803506Casey needs to sit down and be humble.
>>16803511Even if Jeff offered to fly it on New Glenn for free, it's still approaching $1 billion (might be more, even) for Orion + service module alone. You'd be lucky to do this little twin space study on a $950 million launch cost budget. That is fucking awful. In reality it's probably closer to 1.5 bil
>>16803515>Herm, spacex WILL kill somebody and then I will be gladly proven right. I am very smartThis type of snarky loser must lose internet access by law
>>16803515>is actually manning missionswhere has this guy been the last 5 years?
>>16803516The ESM is about $300 million. You wouldn't be able to replace that for free, but there's a lot of room for improvement in swapping out that ATV-derived clunker. Orion capsules are also supposed to be reusable. Flying a refurbished capsule after Artemis is done with it would be cheaper than the $700M cost of a new unit. It'd be tricky to get the total cost under $1B, but it doesn't look completely impossible.
>>16803524I doubt locksneed can make a LTV for less than 300 mil and it will probably also be expendable
i aint flying shit unless im making money off it
>>16803524Yeah but at that point you’re just praying that NASA miraculously fronts the study and r&d for a brand new service module from scratch, and at that point and that cost they might as well just front your entire mission on orion+esm+new glenn lol
>>16803531lockheed could make the capsule for cheaper if they just stop funneling money into their black projects
>>16803534The cost of orion ain’t coming down, sorry bro
>>16803541yeah no shit they need that money to make exotic space triangles and breath mintsor it's just that stupid drone they announced, lets be honest, they probably overbuilt the fuck out of that thing and blew billions in the process.
>>16802888"FAIZ SIDDIQUI?"DENIED.
>>16803547"Earther" will be added to that list eventually
>>16803553>XENO? DENIED
>>16803557Being an alien is not a crime, mon-keigh
>>16803558You can crash on the moon, fuck off we're full. it is written.
day 1 of shutdown.my team didn't do much today.
>>16803384oy vey
>>16803499That gas giant probably flung everything else out the system since there's less stable orbits around the binary pair. Best we can hope for if the candidate is confirmed is a satellite system of some kind. It would be interesting to see what a gas giant's moon system looks like when it resides within the habitable zone as opposed to beyond it. Maybe it could have two or three Io/Luna-like moons, with atmospheres maybe? I hope the candidate is called Polyphemus and any moon around it Pandora.
>>16803590Why not?
>>16803608new fiscal year, programs are being turned on. it's generally a bit slow at the beginning of a FY; money has to move to fund stuff, reconciliation, it all takes some time.
>>16803599>Maybe it could have two or three Io/Luna-like moonsThese would have absolutely no atmosphere at that orbital location
I work for FAA, ask me anything?
>>16803599I don't really believe that candidate planet exists
>>16803620What would you choose as your last meal?
Any margin of safety is just wasted mass.
https://x.com/InversionSpace/status/1973570866714988839>Introducing Arc – the world’s first space-based delivery vehicle.
>>16803655
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1973569352986431584>This is a really innovative concept for space cargo delivery. Can Inversion pull it off?
>>16803658https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/meet-the-arc-spacecraft-it-aims-to-deliver-cargo-anywhere-in-the-world-in-an-hour/>A relatively new spacecraft company, Inversion, revealed its new "on demand" delivery vehicle Wednesday evening during a splashy ceremony at its factory in Los Angeles.>The company said it is building the Arc spacecraft to provide a capability to the US military to deliver as much as 500 pounds (225 kg) of supplies almost anywhere in the world, almost instantaneously.
>>16803661>500 poundsis this useful?
>>16803661The fuck does it need solar panels for if it's only going to be in space for an hour tops
>>16803669They're planning to keep it up there for years at a time, loaded with tendies, waiting for the order to deploy to a combat zone
>>16803661yes lets tell every one within 500 miles where your out of supply special force operatives are
>>16803655BTW this has a bunch of videos (its a thread)
>>16803671The only thing that weighs 500 pounds and would change the course of a battle worth the expense of keeping on orbit is a tactical nuke. Which they obviously can't do. Even as a critical emergency response supply drop it'd be only marginally more useful than a paradrop. VIP rescue? Are they shopping it to the army in case they can't sell any to the Saudis?This must be banking on launching on something cheap
>>16803677What about 500 pounds of quarter-pounders?That's 2000 burgers
>>16803686I can just imagine the sales pitch to Trump getting torn up when he called the armed forces a bunch of fat slobs
>>16803236There's no way it goes from 96.5% CO2 3.5% nitrogen to oh it turns out that's a shit ton of water
>>16803693Hydrated minerals appears to be code for "we can't see this on a spectrograph"
>>16803677How many of these could you pack into starship?
>>16803661Cute
>>16803704Oops wrong company
>>16803704No relation
>>16803661Imagine the possibilities
>>16803661https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4scKkVZQnUkOkay. Sure.
>>16803675>>16803655https://x.com/TheBrianMcManus/status/1973577276680970659Lol apparently made by the dude behind the real engineering youtube channel
>Backed by leading investors including Y Combinator, Spark Capital, and Lockheed Martin Ventures, and working in partnership with organizations such as the U.S. Space Force and NASA, Inversion is redefining what is possible in space-based defense and logistics.Oh. We're paying for this too. That's nice.
>>16803273They don't want you to know about the jungles on the surface.
"Does this come in an Adult size?"
>>16803654>Matthew Gialich is a Co-Founder & serves as Chief Executive Officer at AstroForge. So, maybe don't trust anything made by Astroforge. He's out of CalPoly Pomona, which is a decent school. Guess he just copied off the good students.
>>16803654>thinks failure at 400% pressure means 400% excess margin of safetyHe can't even add up correctly
>>16803252But those are the original KSP devs. Is KSP cringe, too?
Kitten Space Program just feels like bootleg Kerbal Space Program, as if they're only Kitten so they can use the letter K
spehs
>>16803206chondrites are easy to move around - focus a mirror on one of them and it will start steaming, you get thrust out of that
>>16803791Sure but mirrors weigh like 1000 tons
>>16803774KSA people don't have the rights to the name Kerbal Space Program, but the development team includes several people from the original KSP team and some prominent modders. It's going to be both a bootleg and better than KSP 2.
>>16803807mylar foil?
>>16803830Aerospace grade
>>16803774They're 100% riding off the name
KSA =Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
>2010 is 10 years ago
>>16803840based relativistic poster
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1973657436340023328
>>16803843>EDS isnt rea-
>>16803384Dude looks like kent hovind
Astronomer here. Just one more telescope, I promise.
>>16803776>Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul
>>16803898Just take the ELT to space.
>>16803898why the fuck would thye cancel the overwhelmingly large telescope :(?
>>16803898It's hard to get time on JWST, so yes, we need more.
>>16803898For me its the large binocular telescope
>>16803905the bigger question is why not repair Arecibo
>>16803955anon… it’s beyond the point of repair I think
>>16803905They got overwhelmed
>>16803962fucken rebuild it thenshould be cheap as chips with current day tech, right?...right?
>>16803972China already built an equivalent I’m pretty sure
Dawg, berger is calling for us to just re-build the Apollo LM to get back to the Moon [math]\unicode{x1F62D}[/math]
>>16803993nah fuck that. im tired of dropping programs in the middle of them. we've been doing that for 40+ years. it doesnt get us anywhere.
>>16803993Okay wait it’s even worse. He is saying the answer is Blue Origin’s Mk1
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1973724698853965879
>>16803998What a dogshit take by eric at the end there
>>16803998did they squander it? seems like they're doing their best based on changing political winds every few years.
>>16803998https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/how-america-fell-behind-china-in-the-lunar-space-race-and-how-it-can-catch-back-up/
>>16804004
> OK, I read this far. What’s the answer?>The answer is Blue Origin's Mark 1 lander.lol
> A full-size mock-up of the Blue Origin Mk. 1 lunar lander
didn't know that Berger was this skeptical about orbital refilling
>>16804007KWAB, berger is rarely wrong. But he is wrong as hell here
>>16804008everyone is going all in on these tower-like landers arent they. guess the apollo guys were just ignorant hicks or something.
>>16804010One does not need to be skeptical of orbital refilling to doubt that SpaceX will make it work reliably for a manned lunar landing before 2030.Orbital refilling is obviously the future of spaceflight. But it may take too long to develop.There is also another "solution" Berger ommited: let China land humans on the Moon first (ignoring Apollo obv). Let them have their small flag and footprints mission. Then several years later, when Starship is mature, crush them with a permanently manned lunar base and a human mission to Mars.
>>16804008>called blue>it's white and gold
>>16804025It's blue and black
>>16804027heh
>>16803898they’re so fucking bad at naming telescopes.
>>16804010He was writing a year ago that he realistically expected AIII around H2 2028 "if all goes well": https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/10/spacex-has-caught-a-massive-rocket-so-whats-next/Since then he considers Starship & HLS dev suffered at least a one year delay (something which is believable looking at CDR and prop transfer delays)Hence why he considers Starship HLS is unlikely before 2030
>The answer is Blue Origins Mark 1 lander
>>16804059>the lunar module wa expended after a single useSo will Starship LOL
>>16804062after everything else fails they’re going to be stuck converting blue ghost to a manned lander. after all it’s the only functional american lander in the 21st century.
>burgur thinks SpaceX is over 4 years away from being able to land crew on the moonwhat a pessimist
>>16804067What Berger isn't saying requires some contextNASA's budget does not usually change to reflect new big goals so they waste a shitload of money on storage and busywork to achieve what a military contractor would euphemistically describe as low rate production -- work smeared over several fiscal years to pay for a single unit.To NASA, reuse is a shortcut to avoiding several years of waiting to pay for the next one.
>>16804075>16804075Optimist actually. Starship is a shitshow. They've even abandonned engine reuse at this point. Raptor 3 cannot be refurbished.
Two decades. It took two decades.
>>16804082It's been a long roadgetting from there to here
>>16804083Nah Blue Origin does NOT have faith of the heart
>>16804081>They've even abandonned engine reuse at this point. Raptor 3 cannot be refurbished.source?
Crewed life support/long duration human space mission experience:SpaceX>5+ yearsBlue Origin>0.5 years
>>16804081*doesn't need to be refurbished
>>16804087They brag all the time about how all the preiously exposed components have been put inside the engine with abolutely no screws or access panels. In other words they are compeltely inaccessible after manufacture.In the latest Starbase tour with Dim Todd Musk was asked about how the V3 engines could possibly be refurbished, and he clearly didn't have an answer. Off the cuff he said they would cut the engine in half and weld it back together, clearly a retarded answer which is never going to happen. Raptor is being treated as a consumable.
So either one of two things happens>Blue Moon replaces HLS Starship for Artemis III and somehow makes it to the Moon on timeor>Things go as planned, HLS somehow makes it to a 2028 or 2029 landing, and Berger is forced to eat crowBoth of these require a hat trick in some way. The question is which is more realistic—Blue Origin somehow finding a way to suddenly accelerate to SX-levels of development and put a demo lander on the Moon and then scale it up for humans and quickly get the job done? Or SpaceX accelerating next year and completing its milestones and having a demo lander on the Moon by 2027…I think it’s still more realistic to trust in SpaceX at this point, personally
>>16804092BO does not need to reach SpaceX level. SpaceX level would be BO coming out with New Armstrong out of the blue and having a ridiculous New Armstrong lander which requires 20 superheavy class flights in rapid sucession to deliver once to the moon.They would need to develop this superheavy class rocket to a heavily mature fully reusable stage before even going to the moon.Meanwhile in reality all BO has to do is TWO (2) launches of an already developed rocket called New Glenn. Preferabily within 3 ish months of one another.
>>16804006berger is saying what I said about CLPS companies getting a 3rd round of hlsI was right
I say go ahead and formally change the contract to give BO the Arty3 lander. By the looks of things Artemis is currently a shit show and all of our politicians and political commentators and talking heads are going to try and blame the HLS lander as THE sole reason why we “suddenly” lost a race back to the Moon to China (even though anyone with even a slight interest in these things could have told you long ago that China is very serious about this, and that the lunar lander situation was too little too late when they fucked around with SLS and Orion for too long). At least it would be funny to see everyone blaming Jeff instead of drumming up hate for Starship and le evil Musk’s explosion rockets
>>16804094>Meanwhile in reality all BO has to do is TWO (2) launches of an already developed rocket called New Glenn. Preferabily within 3 ish months of one another.Nigga, for them this IS accelerating to SpaceX levels. Tall order here.
>Katherine Courtney, chair of the Global Network on Sustainability in Space, said knowing where all orbiting stuff is today has become a tall order. “A substantial portion of smaller space junk can only be extrapolated using data collected from returned spacecraft and historical records. The vast majority can’t be tracked from the ground,” Courtney whined. Then she cried. Then she spent the rest of the drive home pouting and giving us the silent treatment.Silly hysterical fold.
>>16804094You’re missing the part where they also need to build a man-rated lunar lander with life support and avionics, but okay yeah sure
>>16804091>all the preiously exposed components have been put inside the engine with abolutely no screws or access panels.that's dumb, German late-war Panther/Tiger/Tiger II engineering levels of dumb
>>16804096The Burger is also using -- Tim Dodd -- as his appeal to authority, so no one should take this article seriously.
https://www.propublica.org/article/elon-musk-spacex-china-investors-court-testimony>Elon Musk’s SpaceX Took Money Directly From Chinese Investors, Company Insider TestifiesITS OVERspacex is about to be nationalized and purged
>>16804111oh no no no SpaceX bros how could they
>>16804111>While there is no prohibition on Chinese ownership in U.S. military contractors, such investment is heavily regulated and the issue is treated by the U.S. government as a significant national security concern.oh its a nothingburger
>>16804108BO have already been designing the lander for 2 decades. It's probably a similar level of design maturity as Starship was 2 years ago. And like I said, it's much easier than designing a fully and rapidly reusable superheavy lift rocket.
>Kahlon has turned his access to SpaceX stock into a lucrative business. His investor list reads like an atlas of the world. The investors’ names are redacted in the recently unsealed document, but their addresses span from Chile to Malaysia. One is in Russia. At least two are in mainland China. One is in Qatar. (In one email to SpaceX’s chief financial officer, Kahlon said a Los Angeles-based fund had money from the Qatari royal family and was already invested in SpaceX.)>“You made a big fortune,” a China-based financier wrote to Kahlon four years ago. “Lol something like that. SpaceX has been the gift that keeps on giving,” Kahlon responded. “All thanks to you.”Everyone loves SpaceX
>>16804117Holy cope, this cringe is going to my collection
>OpenAI now valued at $500 billionthat should've been SpaceX...
>OpenAI is now the world's most valuable private company at $500 billionIt should've been SPACEX!!!!!!
>>16804119haha, same cope you had when you were saying IFT1 was a success.
>>16804018Maybe a human will have better luck landing upright?
Meanwhile, at the top of the Ars comments of the Berger article....
>>16804128...spaceflight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVx_bvyBhDM&perfect place for a spaceport
>>16804128yes, we all know what ars commetors are like, no need to repost that here
nothing fucking interesting in spaceflight happening this week>starlinkslop>kuiperslop>Starship still 2 weeks awayAt least there's F1 this weekend
>>16804128Dang, just barely short of making up the gap between nasa and the space force...
>>16803619Why not?
>>16802993Transporter missions are the must successful small rocket launcher
>>16804160yeah, and the 737 was the most successful private jet.wait no those are different things and you’re retarded.electron fills a niche that transporter and bandwagon flights don’t hand has been relatively successful within it.
>>16804109Raptor 4 will fix this
>>16803998A huge article just to vaguely shill Blue Moon Mk1.
>>16804010He is not, but he got bit by the political mindworm after Elon backed Trump.
>>16804110The fact that the Bergermeister just casually dismissed a stubby Starship because it completely undermines his BO shilling was a red flag.
>>16804094>Meanwhile in reality all BO has to do is TWO (2) launches of an already developed rocket called New GlennBlue's HLS architecture takes a lot more than two launches.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co1-2AZnPx8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niVCWzCeM64
>>16804127hope so! thanks for posting that pic btw, was looking for it a little while back.
Dragon pressure vessel on top of a Mk1 Blue Moon lander, idc who they contract out to for beefed up life support. Just needs to handle 2 people and last ~24 hrs before leaving the surface. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
>>16804128Wow straight up antisemitism. Can we deport this guy?
>>16804128I didn't know ars was this anti-semitic
>>16804007"Eric says he's getting the band back together! Ares Lives man!"
>>16804230but for real just give firefly a firm fixed price fixed timeline contract for an expendable lander that can carry two people
>>16804234You are retarded and this is a retarded idea please never put yourself in an important decision-making position
>>16804211>before leaving the surfaceAnon....
>>16804122daaamn.does anybody know if musky still has any stock in the company? imagine if he had stayed lmao
>>16804199Any time, m8
>>16804242Lol it’s over China won
>>16804122AI is the future of spacecraft design.
>>16804265Large Lunar Model
I'm so tired of AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AI AHHHHHHHHHHHHGHJGS893H4#""%*.¨
the same old non-story is going around again
>>16803898The ELT would be based if it were a space telescope.
>>16804277von Braun was a literal nazi, the first man in space was a faggot commie, I literally do not care what the giants of the aerospace industry do or say or think or believe—as long as they advance humanity I care not for their morals or business dealings or religious affiliation or -isms that they do or do not subscribe to.Also fuck all journos, Mars will have public gallows for journalists with fake “insiders”
>>16804022China will already have a base on the Lunar south pole by that point.
>>16804242>>168042513T is quite a lot by the way, that's a larger useful payload than Apollo, and more than what Starship can do.
>>16804277musk’s love or joos and jeets is infinitely more concerning than any shady chinese shenanigans. It’s really not even close.
>>16804275chill out anon, have an silly animu girl to feel calmer
>>16804284Kys faggot commie. Non-whites (other than east asians) will never have access to space. Space is a nationalistic endeavour. A liberal society cannot into space. Artemis will crash and burn.
>>16804290ban this guy for racism.
>>16804294let me guess, AI slop?
>>16804306yep looks like it, fuck I hate AI slop
aerospace CEOs made with artificial intelligence!!1
>>16804306theres a guy draws these things so far as i know
>read berger's article about that orbital cargo startup>berger asks the 20 year old CEO what are some things the cargo could be>the CEO doesnt knowand people like this get $50 million dollars from investors
>>16803905It was only really a concept. It was very dependent on adaptive optics working orders of magnitude beyond what had been demonstrated. The cost estimates were also treated with skepticism. ESO has barely manged to fund to the ELT. The other two big projects are currently broke.>>16803898> Just one more telescopeFuck that noise. Keep building em. >>16803955>>16803972Arecibo is radio, it's not really comparable to the rest, which are optical/infrared.Even before it fell down, the NSF were looking at closing it. NASA pulled their funding years ago. It wasn't producing novel science to justify the high cost of maintaining it.
>>16804323Having the right dad is more advantageous than what you know, news at 10.
>>16804326>get the wrong dad>life ruined before it can even start
>>16804326its actually nepotism?
>>16804324ELT first light when
>>16804007>multiple modified Mk1 landersIt unironically sounds like he's advocating for a group of 1 man landers at the same time for a single mission, he disregards stubby starship, but Musk would probably accept it if NASA/Congress actually funded HLS properly and not at <50% of the cost of the LEM alone.
>>16804329>with the expected completion and first light set for March 2029.It's over.....
>>16804339we will have already found aliens by that point why even bother
>>16804339last i read first light was 2027 wtfffExtremely Slow Telescope
>. To fully fuel a Starship in low-Earth orbit to land on the Moon and take off would require multiple Starship "tanker" launches from Earth. No one can quite say how many because SpaceX is still working to increase the payload capacity of Starship, and no one has real-world data on transfer efficiency and propellant boiloff. But the number is probably at least a dozen missions. One senior source recently suggested to Ars that it may be as many as 20 to 40 launches.Maybe Eric needs to get some better sources.
>>16804339It was 2028 since before covid, it actually slipped very little compared to most things in that period.
>>16804347insanely pessimistic
>>16804347EDS
>>16804353That "senior source" is saying the prop up mass of Starship drops from 100+ tons to 20ish tons. That's basically saying Starship just doesn't work.
>>16804347>20-40 launchesdelusional
>>16804328Always has been.It's actually remarkable how little correlation there is between intelligence and place in society. Yes there is a link, but it is very weak. The same ruthless psycho who is a multi-billionaire today would be a felon drug dealer if he had the wrong dad. Likewise the slow kid in school who is literally unemployable would be the CEO of some random company if he had the right dad. Elon Musk himself would almost certainly be in some dead end IT admin job in South Africa if his parents had not both been wealthy individuals who could pay his way through education in a prestigeous American university and give him the capital and security to go into business.
Just can't fucking wait for Starship to prove all the haters wrong, get to prop demo already SpaceX
>>16804358"Senior Source" is saying Starship's actual payload is the same as Falcon 9 max. Why would one even print that?
>>16804366It's literally true though.
>>16804347>>16804357>>16804353Block IV Starship will need 2300 tons of propellant to be full. A dedicated tanker Starship variant should have no problem filling it up in 15 launches or so.
>>16804370....15???? SueOrigin... was right?
>Apologize.
>>1680434740 launches… he actually published that. Is he smoking crack? I’m a doomer myself, yet I have a hard time believing it will even be 16 to 20. Forty, give me a break
>>16804368It literally isn't true. as of v2 their payload to orbit is more than a f9 expended. Keep in mind f9 v1 had only 10.5t payload mass and they doubled that over time with incremental improvementsThey can easily double v2 payload with v3. They are shedding a LOT of dry mass with v3, and raptor 3 is a big upgrade over R2 in terms of thrust and mass.
>>16804385>as of v2 their payload to orbit is more than a f9 expendedlmao, according to SpaceX.Same people who previously said V1 payload was 40 ish tons, then recently went "whoops, looks like it was actually 15 (an overestimation btw), teehee, but v2 payload is now 35t, TRUST US THIS TIME haha"V2 payload is about 20 t.
>>16804368If SpaceX was seeing those numbers in their development process, they would have canned Starship and moved to Booster with a disposable second stage or Falcon 9 Turbo with cost down.SpaceX has cancelled programs that don't pencil out before.
>>16803955"It'll buff out"
>>16804387v3 will be 75-80t feel free to screencap for when I'm proven right
>>16804393nope, 100+ tons refueled, 200+ tons expendable
I'm firm on 75-80t. They won't get more than that until v4
>>16804387Flight 7 carried 10 simlink (so ~19t) + payload dispenser (which doesn't seem particularly light), yeah it was slightly short of orbit but it's probably relatively safe to say V2 had at least 25 or so tons of payload.
>>16804324Meanwhile: The GMT project dug a hole 5 years ago, and have yet to actually start building anything in it. TMT has made even less progress. American efficiency.
>>16804404Forgot the hole pic.
only 11 days until launch 11
>>16804407< 2weeks!
>>16804370Starship HLS doesn't need to refuel 2300 tons of prop.Berger is intentionally doing yellow journalism, it is why he also handwaved a stubby Starship.
>>16804410dont worry everyday soistronaut will bring it up with elon on the next starbase tour
>>16804410That's true, it needs 4600 tons or prop
"Multiple landers">NSF If it's really for Artemis III, the actual lander will be delivered to NRHO to meet Orion and take the crew to the surface. My guess: the other MK I would be the ascent craft and would be delivered directly to the lunar surface, not to NRHO. It would carry the crew back to NRHO.So, two SLS/Amazon launches within a relatively constrained time period for the landers to the Moon. And another to get the crew to NRHO. And this will be done on a Hurry Up Schedule.Really?
>>16804415actually it needs 9200 tons! 18400 tons! 36800 tons!>>16804417Keep in mind Body Odor launched their first Nude Glenn in January of this year and is only now getting around to launching their second ever rocket
I am not “team space”. I want this second new glenn to fail embarrassingly and spectacularly.
>>16804419It will. It's BO. They have not displayed any engineering excellence.
>>16804428I hope the chinese fail even more than stinky BO, to be fair
/sfg/ doesn't want to admit it but aesthetically it beats starship
>>16804289>3T is quite a lot by the way, that's a larger useful payload than ApolloThe apollo descent module delivered a 4.8T ascent module to the surface
>>16804439I wish the brown tiling was black. Also the rocket looks cooker when its frosted over hiding the silly decals
>>16804440ascent module is notuseful payload if your goal is to put stuff on the moon
>>16804439nude glenn has aura but only because musk wont paint starship>>16804440by that metric you could say the lunar lander delivered 10t to the lunar surface since it also delivered itself.
>>16804439Not fucking really, it’s an orcish scaled up Vulcan
>>16804417It'll be a Blue Moon train, nothing beside SLS can launch Blue Moon to TLI so they'll dock them in LEO or MEOAlso F9 and Vulcan can launch Blue Moon MK1 to LEO
The Saturn V delivered 2,900 tons to LEO.
>>16804442You could easily fit 3t of payload into a adapter that weighs under 1.8t on the descent module
Because of the implication
What if you refueled HLS with f9
>>16804454what if you refueled HLS with electron
>>16804454What if I refueled my 18-wheeler with a delsym cough syrup measuring cap
>>16804290holy antisemitism
>>16804455LABCHADS STAY WINNING.
>>16804458Some big boys worked at Ricketchad
>>16804444The entire fueled Assent Module was payload. As were the crew and consumables. As were the Rover and surface science packages.Amacope more.
>>16804463Starship will deliver 100t to the surface since It weighs 100t and is its own accent stage which is useful payload according to you
Berger’s a fag for even casting doubt on the program. It’s one thing to doom privately but it’s pretty gay to go publish your concerns
>>16804465/sfg/ has been talking shit about various parts of Artemis for years.
>>16804453SpaceseX?
>>16804448it was a beautiful rocket
>>16804153Far too small, no gravity
>>16804446If any rocket was begging for shuttle sized SRBs its this one.So fucking slow off the pad. Might as well just hand your entire fortune over to gravity Jeff, at least its smarter than letting women scam you.Yes the decals are fucking stupid, its almost impossible for me to cheer for team asshole
Starship will have negative mass to orbit SpaceX will use this to build the first Alcubierre drive
negative mass doesnt work like that. it means your engine propels you backwards even though it should be propelling you forward because physics is working in the opposite.
>>16804465Don't like burger at all but he's not wrong here. But it's nothing new. It's what informed people have been talking about for years.
>>16804465Who are the only people left that don't have EDS? Tim Dodd, Marcus House, esefgee, and... that's all?
>>16804470Yes and that is different than publishing dumb shit. Berger has tweeted out doubts at aspects of the SS program before, which I think is fine. Publishing is more "formal" though, so it's tough to see an (otherwise really good) journalist throw out this slop just because he has a hunch things are behind
>>16804480Starship will be the first rocket to make it to the center of the earth
>>16804453Really autistic complaint but they have the whole nu-age helvetica font going on, reminiscent of the Shuttle and whatnot, but their idiot graphic designer forgot to increase the character spacing. It looks very condensed and cramped, which is the OPPOSITE FUCKING VIBE you want to elicit for a station that needs to sell itself as "big" and "spacious"
>>16804453Who is the target audience here? What is the business model? Hope a bunch of jareds want to go to a hotel and do nothing but flex cash like some sort of upgraded new shepard flight?
>>16804497governments
>>16804497VAST ceo made it pretty clear that they know there is basically zero market for commercial stations and the only one that will survive (in his opinion) is the one that NASA picks to be the ISS replacement.his assessment is mostly correct. Crew and cargo to orbit prices even on dragon are simply too high. Starship is simply too big for current stations designs.There are two options to solve this issue.>launch dragon on starshipAssuming starship launches drop per launch costs down to 10million (very conservative) then it would actually be cheaper to launch dragon on starship than on F9. This is obviously never going to happen though, for very obvious reasons>Stoke crew capsuleAssuming their system even works as intended and doesn't get eaten by atomic oxygen on decent, They might feasibly be able to upsize the capsule and either build a larger rocket or launch on a 3rd party rocket. Either of these would drop per seat prices to the single digit millions or less. Far more palatable for medium rich people, companies, movie studios, small nations, etc. You really need to be at this level for commercial stations to make sense economically, otherwise your market is NASA and that's about it.
>>16804465Spaceguy5 is not nearly as informed as he would like you to believe.
Is KSA going to have weather like wind and rain?
theres no weather in space
Does anyone know if it's raining tomorrow in LEO?
there is no heterosexuality in your dad
Let's ***assume*** SpaceX can gently crash a tin can on Mars in 2028What's the cargo?
50 people
>>16804522robots to build the infrastructure to land more tin cans
>>16804522Matthew Dominick and Ayu Yoneda
>>16804520raining nuts and bolts
>>16804522rolls of sheet steel
>>16804528Hopefully this will be a significant portion of payloads to the moon and mars over the next 100 yrs and humans just buuuild and build and build
>>16804525If I'm being honest I dont think spaceX even knows. They haven't exactly made any strategic partnerships with companies that can do construction. With the moon there is a whole bunch of companies all looking to play a role in developing a cislunar economy, but I don't know any that are in partnership with spaceX to do the same on mars.
>>16804533In the end, it turns out we really were a "Moon to Mars", weren't we
>>16804533the stock icons are cute but why tf a paper airplane?
Amazon claims>Blue Moon comes in two sizes. The Mark 1 is the maximum size vehicle that could land with a single engine on a direct trajectory launched by New Glenn. It needs no orbital staging. It was, Sherwood says, the “cheapest one-way lander we could get in a single New Glenn launch. That drove our design of the Blue Moon Mark 1. It can land between 1 and 3 tons on a direct trajectory.” >The larger Mark 2 (Fig. 6.4) can land 30 tons one way or 20 tons of payload andcrew with a crew-return flight. Three BE-7s power the Mark 2 lander. Like Starship, the Mark 2—the crewed Blue Moon—requires refueling in low Earth orbit. A transfer stage built by Lockheed Martin, the Cislunar Transporter, is retanked (both LOX and LH2) by the New Glenn second stage, outfitted as a tanker. The Transport then sends the Mark 2 on its trans-lunar trajectory. The Blue Origin scenario requires less refueling stops than SpaceX’s Starship.No idea how they could use a Mk1 mod to get down and return, even with minimal cargo, or how they could get it to the Moon, if NG is maxed out with the normal Mk1.
>>16804533This makes me wonder. There is a lot of talk here about resource extraction and the like, but surely there are massless exports for a lunar economy. Data has no mass once your infrastructure is in place so any kind of data from the moon could be considered an export. Entertainment for example. Lunar sports is likely more of a long term thing, but it's a good potential export. Sports is a multi hundred billion dollar industry on Earth. If a novel moon sport that takes advantage of lunar gravity catches on that's potentially billions in revenue from merchandise sales and the like. Moon reality TV sounds dumb but normies would eat that shit up. Documentaries filmed on the moon can be sold to streaming companies and TV networks. etc etc.Another thing I don't think I've seen. Why not collect moon rocks to sell back on earth? if you are bringing a big lander to the moon, you can pick up some moon rocks and bring it home to sell to market. There are more than a few potential customers who would gladly buy moon rocks or regolith. It could be fairly lucrative.>Private collectors>Government agencies like NASA>universities>museums>Labs>Commercial entities (they pay for simulant but having the real deal is better)>General public (own a small moon rock for 500$!)I'm sure there are more but you get the idea
VR is probably actually pretty damn useful in training astronauts for EVAs I imagine
>Blue Origin’s development approach, presented to NASA in their formal proposal, calls for the Mark 1 to fly twice before Blue flies the required demonstration mission with the Mark 2. That would validate engine performance, descent trajectory, guidance, continuous downlink communications, precision landing, and cryogenic propellant management. This means that flight engineers will be able to test and demonstrate all of these features on the Mark 1 twice before the required Mark 2 unmanned demonstration prior to the crewed HLS flight of Artemis 5, the fourth cruise of the Blue Moon lunar landing system.Guess Eric wants us to skip all that too.
>>16804549All they have to do is pull three missions out of the proverbial hat, it's that easy!
>>16804504ThisWho-gives-a-fuck-istan can become a "space fairing nation" just by paying a few million
All these stars are ours
>>16804569fuck c
>>16804569>humans are so stupid they cant even travel to the nearest starsgrim
>>16804575might be a solution to the fermi paradox. Interstellar travel is just not worth it maybe
>>16804540Communication Sending a folded up note as a paper plane
>>16804569Hooray, a bunch of boring lifeless rocks and balls of farts!
>>16804584how do you know? you been?
>>16804584blank slates to make into whatever we desire
>>16804577Zoo hypothesis is the only valid solution and we are currently living it right now. I will be proven right about this in time.
>>16804594[doubt]sheer scale of our galaxy let alone the universe, there might not be any intelligent alien civilizations around for several billion light years
>>16804594No the solution is that technological life is extremely rare because it not only relies on an intelligent animal evolving, but many other things eg readily available coal and other fossil fuels, iron and other metals
>>16804601>>16804600>I will be proven right about this in time.
>>16804603
>>16804569One of them should have another planet with complex life on it.
someone post the starship dog catch webm
>>16804606>it's Proxima Centauri bimagine
>>16804608they come from orion's belt, the pleiades, and the big dipper.
>>16804608I'm calling bullshit if it's a moon orbiting a gas giant.
>>16804613Proxima b is a terrestrial planet
>Half the tiles died an hero during transport>Carrier aircraft is a shitbox hand-me-down, still has the ghost of its old AA liveryVery, very disrespectful!
>>16804475
>>16804646only good for siphoning into an artifial star.
>>16804648why would you waste resources making another sun
>>16804649brown dwarves r cool
>>16804650messing up the solar system by shifting mass around is not cool
Hard to be optimistic about starship when there has been no progress for ages. We still don't know if refueling is possible this late even though whole program depends on it.
>>16804646Only because it's -200 degrees If that was room temperature it would blow away
https://x.com/aerocopz/status/1973736111093538859
>>16804698my mom is prouder of me
https://x.com/ship_29/status/1973617137278394828
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1973942044822471120>Yes, public viewing of Starship is easy from South Padre Island and the view is excellent. >Also, the rocket factory and launch towers are right by a public highway.
>>16804701this is so staged
>>16803304I want this nazi pos to fail, but I want spacex to succeed. Hopefully he gets locked up and Shotwell takes over.
>>16804735that is incoherentwithout Musk SpaceX will stagnate
More Aliums:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwK2n0aR1pQ
>>16804741wouldn't a circle like that just happen due to a lucky gravitational lens?
>>16804522Musk already mentioned it would be Tesla robots
>>16804650Have I got the show for you
>>16804741>IndiaNo more needs to be said
>>16804153Same reason the moon has no atmosphere
>>16804646I'm not going all the way to Alpha Centauri to live on a frozen shitholeWe have a many frozen shitholes at home.
I'm not going all the way to Mars to live on a frozen shitholeWe have many frozen shitholes at home.
I'm not going all the way to Winnipeg to live in a frozen shithole.Mars is right there.
Interstellar comet 3I Atlas is tearassing past Mars today. The NASA MRO orbiter will attempt to take a couple of snaps as it passes by. Those pictures" if they happen, will be utter shite.Thanks again for the no hustle NASA.
>>16804870what would you do that would be different?
>>16804875I would shit a brick.
>>16804875I would have nuked 3I/Atlas
>>16804870Can they aim JWST at it?>>16804875Bigger camera
>>16804914Too close to the sun at nearest approach
>>16804919>infrared telescope>NOO, YOU CANT POINT IT AT AN OBJECT THAT EMITS INFRAREDNASA should be demolished.
>>16804922Trump will personally steer JWST to look directly at the Sun
>The BE-7 with vac isp of 460s was successfully developedYou know what this means right? Falcon Heavy Third Stage. New Glenn is irrelevant now.
>>16804059>It quickly became unaffordable for the us to fly the Apollo missions.The SLS program was DESIGNED to be as costly and inflationary from the start!
>>16804922Bait taken; here's your (you):To fit inside the payload envelope and volume of the fairing with a segmented mirror space telescope, the design tradespace of the James Webb Space Telescope has several compromises. All of the optics are very high sensitivity to see very faint light sources, and would be instantly fried by a source as powerful and as close as the sun. The telescope must keep its mirror and optics away from the sun forever. To extend the imaging range, the protective sun shield extends past the spacecraft a bit, letting it perform off-angle imaging while keeping the necessarily cold mirror and the cameras inside it safe from solar heating.
>>16804930Damn that's crazy specific impulse.
Next New Glenn flight>has to be a success to qualify for Space Force certification>has to be a success to get escapade to mars>HAS to successfully recover GS1 in order to meet turn around time for Mk1 to the Moon next yearThey can’t build a new first stage fast enough. They told NASA that they can meet the first demo landing deadline with a reused booster.
>>16804974BO has extensively lab tested all this stuff for 2 decades so development should now be quicker, but obviously there arre some things like the fluid dynamics of hypersonic reentry that you can't accurately test, so extremely bold of BO to expect it all to work instantly. The fact that the first GS1 had something go wrong and missed the landing does not bode well unless they figured out the EXACT cause.
>>16804974but can you imagine how hype it'll be if they nail the landing on their second try?
>>16805028It would be a huge momentum shift for the company
Reminder>SpaceX: 516>Rest of the world combined: 0
>>16805042sounds like it's a monopoly that needs to be broken up
Here's the financial math on Arc.https://x.com/canraptor_/status/1973621543423934517
>>16804974>Mk1 to the Moon next yearI was told it was this year... hmmm...
>>16805046Is the government still shopping around for X-37b replacement architecture? Last I heard they planned on soft-launching Dream Chaser as the replacement, but that is seeming more and more unlikely as time goes on. They might want some other readily available spooksat mission options to fill the role
>>16805046>starship at 5milok so what if it never gets lower than 10mil?20mil?now suddenly it makes even less sense
Uhhhh, let me be Clear
>>16805045Starlink spinoff when? A company that builds rockets has nothing to do with an ISP. Starlink is not spaceflight.
>>16805046>explosives are going to survive launch, LEO for 5 years, and reentryaint no way
>>16805061Obama you are breaking the spaceship
>>16805058Why do they want to replace x-37b?
>>16805071What about burgersBurgers are important for capturing hearts and minds
>>16804974>HAS to successfully recover GS1 in order to meet turn around time for Mk1 to the Moon next yearI think a big mistake many of these companies are making is they aren’t building a rocket that would be viable with or without reuse.Even if spacex couldn’t get reuse working for falcon, it still would have been an ok rocket and a minor commercial success. stoke and bo and rocketlab are absolutely all in on reuse working and working quickly.
>>16805061>cancelling Constellation - based>keeping Orion - thank fuck (it's the only thing that's currently working!)Gotta love the Obama Admin
>>16805071I was thinking it could be a good way to do emergency resupply for the Marine Corp. It'd be expensive but if you need stuff at a specific location yesterday then it might be a good option.
>>16805078if they had stuck with constellation we would have humans on the moon by now and a fully working archietecture to get there. HLS would simply be a commercial bid to make better more economical landers than the existing one.
>>16805061It was him all along
>>16805046To get that cost they'd literally have own SpaceXAs it is they'll be eating a 60 million launch cost every single timeJust buy a C-130 at that point, jesus
>>16805084For starters, the Ares V had a lot of problems with its design. Maybe the five RS-25 version would work, but it required completely new tooling (10m) which Congress probably wouldn't go for, they'd face the same cost issues as the SLS. But yeah, Altair would've been neat.
>>16805077Same issue with Shuttle. Relied not jsut on reuse but rapid cheap reuse to just be cheaper than a disposable rocket. Starship is also dealing with this problem which is why it's success is still not guaranteed.
>>16805078>(it's the only thing that's currently working!)
https://youtu.be/QYwGgwdXOxo
Oh no you guys it's on fire...
woosh
>>16805108looks like a coal miner sneezed on the bottom. this is such a joke.
I thought clouds KILLED rockets.
oh wowa f9 launch
>a f9 launchshocking stuff, right?
>>16805118>>16805123Ha, in your faces, Sarcasm Squad!
f9 slop
>>16805116THUNDERclouds do.
>>16805108>100% success rate (sometimes)But retards will piss and shit themselves because muh nasa le bad
such a boring stupid sperm cell pencil. new shepard is cooler.
>>16804827Why is that?
>>16805131god BLEW it away. Read the bible motherfucker.
why isnt new sheppy launching more often anyway? what happened to the huge suborbital boom that was supposed to occur?
>>16803013NASA DEI OFFICE FEEDBACK RE: NEW SPACESUITSThey aren't queer enough. Give them gayboy booty shorts.
>>168051312 small
>>16805042SX is toast in 5 years.
>>16805077Reuse should be the standard going forward
>>16805132the bible was influenced by aliens. Jesus was an alien that's how he was "miraculously" conceived. his mom got impregnated by aliens
>>16805135Wrong Luna is actually quite dense
>>16803376>looks like this>calls himself Elizabeth VargasI hate trannies so much it's unreal
KSA has its first parts!
>>16804703That's the rocket equation for you
>>16805149are there gonna be procedural tanks? and if so, are cryogenic tanks gonna be frosty?
>>16805131>>16805140Refer to the chart
https://x.com/JackKuhr/status/1974099733598908804
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/blue-origin-aims-to-land-next-new-glenn-booster-then-reuse-it-for-moon-mission/
>>16805158>millions of people working in cryogenic gigawatt lunar data centersyeah i dont think so jeffy
https://cosmiclog.com/2025/09/29/blue-origin-plans-to-expand-suborbital-space-program-2/>The executive in charge of Blue Origin’s New Shepard suborbital space program has laid out plans to scale up the operation for weekly launches — and says the company is looking into setting up a second launch site, perhaps outside the U.S.
>>16805170>Blue Origin's New Shepard Overhaul: Blue Origin is building three new New Shepard vehicles to replace the aging fleet by 2027, with the first debuting in 2026; they're seeking international partners to expand beyond Texas.
>>16805171Fucking why
>>16805170So either BO is retarded and I am being gaslighted, or we have all been mistaken and this is somehow actually profitable
>>16805170>the company is looking into setting up a second launch site, perhaps outside the U.S.dubaaaaaaaaai
TFW no comfy politically-protected artisan tile autism job
>>16804962It's just hydrogen engine in vacuum, not that impressive
>>16805175Not a chance they break even, unless the seats are $6 million each, and they fly it 3X a day, every day, at multiple sitesJeff desperately wants to be remembered after his death and I guess this suborbital item is the pride & joy of his life's work
>>16805154if you are a real king your tanks dont get frosty
>>16805207It's a fully reusable rocket. It's not that expensive and the price only depends on cadence
>>16805149Kino
>>16804607
>>16805149Honestly they don't need much to hit parity with KSP
>>16805215Then why are they so fucking slow. Every single launch has multiple long unplanned holds, and so many times its outright scrubbed for weeks before reattempts. The shitty booster can barely hit a pad the size of a football field, and the capsule falls randomly in bushes.Its definitely NOT something you want to scale up, its something that should be winding down.
https://x.com/jenakuns/status/1974080188175823245>New patent from @stoke_space for a smaller pressure-fed version of their second stage to act as a third/in-space stage. David Biggs (one of the authors) is director of Future Programs at Stoke, so this appears to be the thrust of that business element.
>>16805207you are such an absurd clown posting these ridiculous takes every thread and bringing the collective IQ down. Assuming dev cost was 1 billion and a seat cost 6 million it would only take them 10 days of launching 3x a day to break even... How does such a retard who can't into basic mental arithmetic even get so interested in rockets? Let me guess, Youtube?Assuming New Shepard has a 20 year lifespan and a 6 million dollar seat price they only need to launch once every 6 months and they will be fine.You know you cna be critical of Blue Origin without saying such absurd bullshit.
>>16805232>Pressure fedSomewhere Astra anon just got a headache
>>16805232>patentsasshole move
>>16805191I wonder how much this guy gets paid
>>16805191this looks slightly more difficult than i would have imagined.
>>16805218>first tower catch attempt, circa 2026
>>16805210i kinda like it but it still looks like shit.
>>16805126I prefer the term f9 kino.
>>16805263trvth
>>16804914Already did months agohttps://arxiv.org/abs/2508.18209
>>16805155Triton literally has a N2 atmosphere, so that makes this chart invalid.
>the meme drive worksholy shit this is crazyhttps://www.satcat.com/sats/63235
>>16805272Is it de-orbiting?
>>16805273i dunno, it's doing something that's for sure
>>16805272Ahhh look at me I’m Albert Einstein, ahh look at me I just need to finish plugging in made-up numbers and my model works
>>16805272huh
>>16805272no fuckin way. Is this independently verified with other sat tracker sites?
>>16805249mechadogzilla?
>>16805272cool
>>16805286nah not really, none of the others ones track these parameters it seems, at least not in the same close wayso hold your hype (for now)https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/graph-orbit-data.php?CATNR=63235 https://www.n2yo.com/satellite/?s=63235
>>16805272>>16805276Nothing here suggests the drive is working. The perigee does not uniformly decrease
>>16805305You can't hide the aliens anymore, the memedrive is real and any attempt to deny it is just a coverup.
>>16805305The pattern is right there are you not seeing it, its different from the usual ups and downs, its almost perfectly linear for much longer than at any time up to this point since deploySo at the very least that's something to take note of
>>16805092Starship is already less than 1/10th of the cost of a typical SHLV, and Booster reuse has already occurred. Very unlikely for Starship to fail to achieve economic competitiveness.
>>16805305whatever, it will be undeniable this time next wee
>>16805266An atmosphere 1/43rd the density of Mars' atmosphere, despite constant emission of nitrogen geysers.
>>16805308What is this meme drive?Burn up in the atmosphere at a slightly different rate?
>>16805158https://x.com/DrPhiltill/status/1974121585159156102
>>16805322>decades of being a spaceflight enthusiast>still doesnt recognize that data centers in space is a meme????????????????
>>16805272just gonna post the full time range pic here too, makes the pattern even more noticeable
>>16805322data centers in space is a fucking meme. You would need a huge number of panels to power them any of which could be impacted by space debris. not only that, but how do you service your space data center? in a data center on earth if you need to swap a drive or gpu you can just do that because it doesn't cost millions to do so every time something happens. Such a fucking retarded idea
>>16805325the one positive i could see is that they are somehow able to come up with big improvements to powering spacecraft and eliminating heat. they're still a meme but i welcome investment into improving space tech as a byproduct.
>>16805324Very curious to see what happens when apogee reaches 500km in a month or less, if its all due to atmospheric drag then we should see the apogee and perigee rapidly begin to drop with no recovering even if the thruster worked, atmosphere would be too dense at that point
oh looks like they took a pic from the satellite hosting the meme drive 3 weeks ago-
Where would you even put datacenter, in LEO?
>>16805333on ISS duh
>>16805322this is guy is constantly posting about AI shit and how grok fucked his wife better than he ever could o algocan be safely ignored
>>16804698Yeah, and I designed a clock
>>16805333On the QI sat.
>>16804974Wow, Body Odor is turning into SpaceX now. I hate them!! Be more like Boeing please
>>16805333eager did some napkin math on what a modest 250 server data center would look like in spaceIt's not promising to say the least
>>16805344>>16805333Put them on Titan jackass. Use a diesel generator to power the data center.
>>16805340Cool clock, Ahmed!
>>16805346>titanWho the fuck wants 2 hours of latency?
>>16805346Using what oxidizer?
>>16805351>he doesn't want to be a server wrangler on the only other solar system body you can go outside without pressure suit
>>16805351he's clearly joking. That being said none of it makes any sense the more you look into it. People see the appealing math of constant solar power and forget about the fact that it's in space which has a whole host of associated challenges including dissipating heat. Any of the breakthroughs you would want to make it more practical would also apply to earth bound data centers too.
>titanfags actually want to live like this
Once Around... Antares
Oh AI, query: Why should we put you in space?>Advantages of space-based data centers include virtually unlimited physical space for expansion, efficient solar power and natural cooling due to space's conditions, enhanced security and resilience against terrestrial disasters and threats, reduced environmental impact from lower water and land use, and the potential for rapid deployment to serve remote areas on Earth.Thank you AI.
>>16805359>natural cooling due to space conditionscooling is unironically one of the hardest parts
>>16805361you just need to manufacture and launch the hardwareno need to wrangle with retards on earthfor true scaling you really need to go to space at some point
>>16805363to do a data center the size of google or microshart you would need panels and radiators the size of 2 central parks, maybe larger.
>>16805356lookin good
>>16805364start smalland maybe it makes more sense to have it distributedat least for inference distributed compute nodes aren't as badhaving a coherent supercomputer will perhaps be somewhat more difficult if you need it to be monolithic
>>16805308>>16805272https://celestrak.org/NORAD/elements/graph-orbit-data.php?CATNR=63235Sure looks like a monotonically decreasing semi major axis to me.
>>16805367even when small the radiator requirement is absurd>>16805344the worst part is even though you could theoretically lower your panel area using better solar panels, there are no good alternatives for radiators. you really just can't improve much on radiator area. To get even marginal improvements of like 20% reduction in area you would need to use untested and un-proven technologies.This problem only gets worse the more you scale
https://youtu.be/JAcR7kqOb3o
>>16805361>Cooling things in space is hardBlock sunlight and planetshine and you radiate down toward the CMB.
>>16805373you fucking moron the datacenter is going to be producing heat. It's a fucking data center. those tend to get hot. so hot that they typically use air conditioners to keep them cold. unfortunately for Jeff air conditioners do not work in space.
>>16805305>>16805272Let me remind you of the time when people (idiots) were claiming to see "crazy" shit with Barry-1. There were comments here too.https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2024/02/ivo-quantized-inertia-barry-1-satellite-is-up-to-26-kilometers-higher-than-28-days-ago.htmlHow did that turn out? It wasn't even fucking turned on.
Hey, found the Great Filter:> In 2023, U.S. data centers consumed about 4.4% of total U.S. electricity, a figure projected to rise significantly by 2028 due to the increasing demand for AI and cloud services. We run out of power.
>>16805377
>>16805375not all of us use data centers to create stable diffusion tranny porn idiot. if you use it for cool tasksit will remain cool.
>>16805375>No, I don't understand even the most basic fact of thermodynamics! Stop laughing at me!Hint: You can't create cold and heat moves.
>>16805377data centers will have dedicated powerplantsin fact the https://x.com/RihardJarc/status/1973737827872784653musk talked about this a number of years ago
>>16805128>100% success rateyes, that would be 1 out of 1
>>16805376>>16805272It's definitely happening this time!
>>16805322Space data centers are retaded, but I will continue to propogandize in their support of it means more space funding
>>16805380sure lets just completely forget about the internally generated heat from the servers themselves. that heat will magically go somewhere else. we only have to worry about the heat from the sun!
>>16805361>>16805344Going by his NEP video Eager's math for radiators is significantly off.
>>16805171>>16805175>we're losing money on our carnival ride>let's build three more and make it up in volume
>>16805388remember when that feminist said we should have vagina shaped rockets because current rockets are penis shaped and thus oppressive
>>16805351Quantum entangled electrons will fix the latency issue
>>16805387For this case it doesn't matter, even if he's off by 50% or something egregious like that you are still gonna need radiators and a lot of them if you want to put a datacenter of any substantial capability in space.
sun goes inelectricity from sunelectricity creates powerpower creates heatheat goes where???
>>16805386>the internally generated heat from the servers themselves. that heat will magically go somewhere! Yeah sure as if!It would be better for everyone, yourself included, if you just stopped posting.
>>16805392you know space is big right?
>>16805383deleeed thisss
>>16805378>Coal power was first used in the 18th century, particularly with the invention of the steam engine by James Watt in 1769, which utilized coal to generate steam for powering machinery.It's a bit older than I thought
>>16805392heat goes to boil watersteam turns turbineselectricity from turbineselectricity creates power...
>>16805381Problem is down on Earth you have to build more power plants. Neither cheep or fast. That's one of the big draws of Space Servers. Max Solar is right there.
>>16805395space is also empty with no matter to dump heat into
>>16805398Is this real?
>>16805401PUT THE DATA CENTER IN LEO THEN WHERE THERE IS A THIN ATMOSPHERE.
>>16805408your station still needs radiators and also it's slowly deorbiting and now it's burning up great job retard>>16805393Are you retarded? do you think the servers would just magically power themselves with no waste heat generated whatsoever? Where can I buy such servers so I can start a company that puts microsoft out of business?
doesn't putting data centers underwater mog space datacenters in every way?
>>16805410please stop.
>>16805412shut the fuck up and kill yourself
>>16805368yeah SMA is decreasing cause the apogee is, but the perigee appears to be holding still all the same, it sucks that satcat doesn't track SMA and celstrak doesn't track perigee and apogee individually
>16805410dunning kruger alert.
>>16805417explain how you perfect server design can power itself and doesn't need radiators to dissipate heat. You'll make millions selling the idea to amazon
/sfg/- /g/
>>16805370How do we solve the radiator problem
Hey AI, query: Why does the night side of the Moon get cold?>Rapid Radiative Cooling: In the vacuum of space, the lunar surface rapidly radiates heat away into space, causing temperatures to drop dramatically once sunlight is gone. But there are no radiators on the Moon. How can it cool down?>Are you home schooled?
>>16805415That means drag effects are circularizing the orbit.
>>16805425that's my natural assumption too desu
>>16805424HOLY FUCK THE MOON ISNT GENERATING IT'S OWN HEAT UNLIKE OUR DATA CENTER WHICH GENERATES HEAT JUST BY OPPERATING
WHY IS MARS BEING COLD A PROBLEM? NOTHING CAN RADIATE HEAT IN SPACE AND MARS HAS ALMOST NO ATMOPSHERE. IF ANYTHING YOU WOULD BE TOO HOT AND NEED TO BRING SANDALS.
>>16805421Nah I haven't seen anyone talk about fucking kids yet so it's not /g/
>>16805431that's /tv/. /tv/ is the pedo board.
>>16805428>THE MOON ISNT GENERATING IT'S OWN HEATit actually is deep down inside the core it still is and it may be uneven too due to greater concentrations of radioactive matter decaying in one area then another*the more you know*
>>16805421/sfg/ - /Shitheads From /g/ /
>>16803967oof
>>16805432>/tv/ look at this hot 18 year old actress>/g/ look at this hot loli I want to fuck a loli so bad tee hee cunny cunny cunny. I even have it as my back ground on every device and post anime pictures of little girls in bikinis in lewd positions in all my posts. Hee hee flat is justice! (9 year old character)Yeah /tv/ is so much worse
>>16805438>hot 18 year old actressyou haven't browsed /tv/ then or the userbase has changed because they definitely were doing that for real life underage actresses
>>16805324looks like shit
And no I'm not that guy that got mad constantly about rocket girl posting
>>16805272false fucking alarm, Botswana's BOTSAT sat has almost the exact same looking curve and I'm pretty sure there's no thruster onboard thathttps://www.satcat.com/sats/63216
>>16805446its’ over
>>16805447its most likely drag effects >>16805425
>>16805272it's calibrating, give it time
>>16805449
>>16805452kek
>>16805446this is BOTSAT btw, 3U cubesat with no onboard thruster
>>16805411no, its just worse than on earthcooling isn't really that big of a problem on earth
>>16805457not made of wood
>>16805463no not the Japanese bamboo sat
>>16805457Look up CYGNSSThey built a constellation of engine-less sats and use upper atmosphere drag for separating their orbitsHell they were even deployed with springs
still waiting for anon to produce his super efficient electronics and computer chips which produce no waste heat...
>>16805470They’re already here, on the 4ASS Venus lander
>>16805452This whore needs my cock
https://www.endurosat.com/products-category/platforms/Fuck this shit is expensive, cubesats are a grift
>>16805446it's dragging other satellites up with it!
Let me guess, you NEED more?
>>16805490Imagine if the Soviet Union had been around the time this... abomination was conceived, would they have tried to copy it? Or even coming up with a better version just like they did with Buran and the Sh*ttle.
>>16805488kek
I will NOT tolerate Ares-1 "BOOMSTICK" slander on this here board, ya hear?
>>16805492The soviet equivalent, assuming they did Energia-derived, would just be some sort of capsule atop a Zenit. Either a soyuz or a kliper or Orel or something.
>>16805490Why not put some side boosters on it?
>>16805497Kek I appreciate the honesty at least. Live an learn!To be fair, both SpaceX and NASA didn't even realize it was a possible failure mode. Off the top of my head it was some crazy reaction that required very specific pressures or something and shot a piece of solid NTO like a bullet into a hydrogen valve
>>16805498That is essentially exactly what OmegA was. You could do a BOLE booster core with GEM-XL side boosters. Would probably be even worse for manned launches than just taking a hypergolic rocket to orbit at that point lol
>>16805428AI, does waste heat from electric input and heat from solar input on a surface radiate away differently?>No. Of course not.
>>16805499and the failure mode might also be the reason why some satellites would mysteriously die suddenly
>>16805507Silent cartographer
>>16805155checked so earth actually does lose some atmosphere but in little amount. That means that theoretically the earth could lose all of its atmosphere in a very distant future?
>>16805515we have a magnetosphere so we're good until the sun puffs up and ends all life on earth
>>16805516similar to your mother.
>>16805518similar to YOUR mother.
Happy spooky month /sfg/!https://youtu.be/ABWf19VOn38
>>16805375What if they try with ARM-based datacenters? I've heard those exist and they are very energy efficient, that means less heat right?
>>16805523Probably yeah but the radiators will still be huge for any appreciable sized data center.
>>16805532delivering a fresh load of alabama river rocks.
>>16805266Triton is constantly offgassing nitrogen and it still can't maintain an atmosphere thicker than a medium-grade laboratory vacuum.
>>16805498it was already fast as fuck
/sfg/ is dead
>>16805061
>>16805557Who TF is that guy
>>16805490Yes I need even more vibration for my orbital paint mixer.
>>16805557look at them lips
>>16805557slow board except during big launches
>>16805557Friday night is watchalong night in the 'cord.
Happy birthday to charlie duke
>>16805605We need to one up the apollo footageHave the astronauts shoot hoops in a big inflatable habitat. make some sick 3 pointers
>>16805557fuck off with your AI slop
>>16805600what are you watching? mst3k I hope
Guys its been years were i gave ksp multiples trys but i never ever was able to rendenvouz and dock, i finally did it Also anyone here knows if data science has a future as a carreer as a sudamerican, not sfg but you guys are smart
>>16805669AI will replace data scientists no really
https://x.com/CJHandmer/status/1974240270356201544Total JPL death
Casey is a girl's name. Casey's tweet is a girl's tweet.
2/2
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1974338806305411516
>>16805399space servers are retarded and greatly inferior to ocean servers
>>16805710Wtf cancelled, why??
>>16805710I should rewatch the Matrix
>>16805600hang yourself with a cord
>>16805715trying too hard newfag
>>16805497>it was only following orderslel
>>16805717you're the discord tranny, not me
>>16804584>send slowboats to them>destroy the lifeless roggs>make them into better shit>go to next nearest star systemswhoa
>>16805672Shit when i asked chat gpt it said i was good, bitch already scared as shiet
"Toasty!"Pay attention to your spaceship, you ADD tard.
>>16805710So when do we get a fuckable version
SpehhhssI didn't know there were pics of the inside of Starship
>>16802838golf in space? Think about it
>>16805754Tennis in a rotating habitat. Think about the coriolis forces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-15iDUHwI
>>16805731the spaceship doesn't need attention at the moment
>>16805766Spaceship ALWAYS needs attention, we already saw what happens when it doesn't receive it. So sad to see that elon turned into the average vanity chasing billionaire. Hopefully the chinese take over the torch and guide mankind to a prosperous future...
>>16805696JPL would just coming up with a new grift every few years, almost enough to move things forward and keep them important, but just missing enough for the next grift mission.
>>16805785punch bags
>>16805785Our rocket needs a gazillion liters of pressurized nitrogen and helium and co2 and oxygen and methane to work BECAUSE IT JUST DOES OKAY
Flying saucers generate strong magenetic fields despite their propulsion source not being electromagnetic. I propose that the magnetic fields are nothing to do with propulsion and are instead generated to shield the crew from radiation, much like how the Earth's magnetic field does this for us.A species who have conquored antural death or who live for hundreds or thousands of years would take radiation far more seriously than we do.
>>16805769wtf are you talking aboutOptimus is the future of Tesla
>>16802667Why NSF never had an interview with ELON MUSK?
you didn't miss out on becoming rich right sfg?
>>16805547Thick enough to have dunes and clouds.
>>16805796they would have knowledge that is too specific and most of the interview would be Musk either evading or not actually knowing why tank 18.3 has a certain length of pipe or whatever the fuck instead of some other length
>>16805680But what does this mean for Dragonfly? Total probe death. Landers, rovers, copters, or bust.
>>16805797I actually thought about buying around that time but my European neobroker didn't have it and I didn't want to go through the hassle to get an account somewhere else.
>>16805802funny excuse loser.
>>16805797i dont get it, what did they do to suddenly earn so much value? they're still the same small fry as they were years ago.
>Shares of aerospace and defense company Rocket Lab (NASDAQ:RKLB) jumped 5% in the morning session after the company announced a major expansion of its partnership with Japanese satellite operator Synspective, securing its largest-ever single-customer order for 10 additional dedicated launches.yeah okay thats not even worth $1 of increased value. its reasonable to assume that any smart person wouldnt have expected the value to sky rocket. there has to be some shenanigans going on.
>>16805821You could ask the same question with Tesla. Rocketlab has gone form rationally valued to being a meme stock, because they are building Neutron and they are the only working private company that's not SpaceX, so all the hopes and dreams of investors who missed out on cheap SpaceX have gone into Rocketlab. They expect Neutron to be as prolific as Falcon.
>>16805823>all the hopes and dreams of investors who missed out on cheap SpaceX have gone into Rocketlabgrim
"Hey Hey!"
>>16805840OMG?? TWIST WTF WHAT?? AND A WOW WITH AN ARROW ON SOMETHING AND I HAVE NOW IDEA WHAT IT MEANS???? II NNEEEEDD TTOO CCLLIICCKK IITT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Starship status?
Punters getting a bit cocky.
>>16805840@grok summarize this clickbait for me
>https://x.com/bioastra/status/1972964646694068342what is this shit
>>16805850women in the industry really be wearing anything these days
>>16805849SpaceX Flight 10 recapNew mission control views; unseen 4K liftoff, Max-Q shockwave; hot-staging ring drifting away.Booster 16 contingency burn suggests on-target splashdown; no aft-damage footage. Re-entry stress test showed improved Block 2 flaps; orange splashdown visuals.Flight 11 (target Oct 13; final legged Pad 1 launch)Booster 15 reflight; 24/33 Raptors reused.Ocean landing test: 135 (divert)3 engines; no catch.Ship 38: deploy 8 Starlink simulators, in-space relight; experiments toward return-to-launch-site ops.Intentional TPS tile removals (some without ablative backup) and a dynamic banking maneuver to test subsonic guidance.StarbasePad 1 restored; clamps reinstalled; temp QD removed.Crane boom swap; prep to move the Ship QD arm to the new tower.Pad 2 commodities bunker cladding; Gigabay adds gravel decoupling layer for slab movement & utilities.MasseysNew concrete bunker; some re-pours; methane farm pipe stands split cryo/gas lines to a redundant commodities bunker and robust Ship QD.Florida39A flame-bucket halves installed; LR13000 crane parts arriving for OLM lift.Fourth Starship tower sections include Ship QD arm mounts likely a full launch tower.Florida Gigabay rising with smooth exterior, interior supports.ElsewhereESA × Avio: 24-month study of a reusable LOX/methane upper stage.Falcon 9: Starlink 11-20 (B1063’s 28th) and 11-39 (B1097’s 2nd); both recovered on OCISLY.ISS: Cargo Dragon “boost kit” 15-min burn adds 1.62 m/s; photos by Zena Cardman incl. atmospheric moon mirage.Blue Origin: BE-7 hot-fires (up to 5/day), ~460 s Isp; 17-min burn. New Glenn booster #2 “Never Tell Me The Odds” nearing LC-36.Firefly: Alpha Flight 7 first-stage test anomaly destroyed stage; no injuries.Sponsor: Surfshark VPN promo.
>>16805851She better be careful he doesn't eat her
>>16805840Anyone else see the UOOHHHH face?
>>16805840Is there any proof that it's actually humans who prefer thumbnails like this, or if it's just the robot that thinks humans will like it, so it shows the video to more people?
The whole Shuttle movement to Hou thing is making everyone seethe
https://spacenews.com/echostar-clears-key-regulatory-step-for-spectrum-sale-to-spacex/
>>16805905https://x.com/davesgoldman/status/1974454924076609718
>>16805907https://x.com/davesgoldman/status/1974110105437077936
This is what happens when you bow down to your cult leader.
Are there any serious studies on dome habitats? Are we forever doomed to live in ze modular pods?
>>16803153what the hell are you talking about, man
>>16805911They’re obsessed, this is very unhealthy. This is concerning anti-social behavior.
>>16805911lmao
>>16805795optipoop is a sacm.
40 tanker flights in 2040 btw
>>16805605this kind of film footage from apollo looks mountaains better than the flat heavily compressed digital slop weget of modern flights. The colors here are so rich and the depth of field is soulful.
>>16805911Unironicly mentally ill
>>16805901Indians like it.
>>16805785nukes
>>16805911just dont hot stage. problem solved
>>16805911The overweight issue is like using a carpet that's too big for a room. Fix one corner another pops up:-> add more engines -> prop gets used up too quickly-> stretch the booster -> TWR and aerodynamics changes-> find things to remove -> unintentionally break other systems
>>16805986If someone really wanted to game the system, couldn't you just use like a yellow square. Imagine you're looking at the suggestions, then there's just a big dumb yellow square, with an all caps title, and you do the same with every video you put out lol
Remember when Big Jim cried in his goodbye video? It was very moving
>>16805911This doesn't matter, the tank is mostly empty by the time of hotstaging
First pakistani astronaut will launch on Shenzhou 23 in october 2026, stay during the Tiangong rotation for a week and come back on Shenzhou 22 early November 2026, one of the crew member of Shenzhou 22 will have to stay for another 6 months onboard tiangong.
>>16806008jeets are gonna have to keep going to the iss at this rate
>>16805797I gave up on trying to make moneynot good at anything. just gonna die when my money runs out
>>16806014just buy and hold tesladon't panic sell if there is a +50% swing down (which there will be guaranteed probably multiple times)wait 10 years
>>16806008Why are they cooperating with pakistan? Im not familiar with the geopolitical situation. Is china intrested in doing their version of 'interkosmos' by bringing up allied-nation astronauts?
>>16805911no one in that subreddit knows what hotstaging is, nor what they are even looking at.this has to be some bait post from a tank watcher
>>16805071Military hardware, including ammunition, fuzes and explosives is designed to sit on shelves for decades. Ammunition can be usable after half a century. Some secondary explosives are stable indefinitely.It's all intended to be sent to combat zones. I don't know where you got the idea that it's fragile or perishable.
>>16806020Initially CMSA wanted to first cooperate with ESA to send an european astronanut on Tiangong, in particular Italy (samantha cristoforetti, who btw speaks mandarin, did a bunch of training on Shenzhou), then it's an open secret that the US pressured ESA and forced them to chose between Artemis and cooperation on Tiangong (that happened around 2020 or so), after that China decided to prioritise offering seats to closer allies, Pakistan being the first. Pakistan's desire to have an astronaut is partially an answer to ISRO's Gaganyaan program.
>>16806032Thanks, that's a good summary.
Imagine the smell on an INDIAN space station. I would puke.
>>16805911This could have been avoided if SpaceX engineers consulted this Reddit user.
>>16806045the spacex engineers already know this won't work. elon musk personally demanded that they remove the hot stage ring. all else be damned
>>16805911An actual problem:How will SpaceX deal with ablation of the hotstage ring now that it can't be replaced?A large amount of steel gets shaved off the ring each hotstage which will be an issue if they plan on doing 30+ flights with a single booster.
>>16806048Do you know for a fact it’s stripping away metal or are you just making that up
>>16806048Hexagonal tiles.
>>16806048how do you know it can't be replaced? maybe they've added a thin replaceable sheet to the top of the tank
>>16806050lol, all you need to do is watch a launch. That bright yellow color to the exhaust in the moments of hotstaging is a large amount of steel being vaporised and blown off the ring.>>16806051Would be able to withstand the temperature, but I'm almost certain they would be destroyed by the thrust of the exhaust.>>16806053Maybe they have. It would be good.
>>16806048*original idea. do not steal*every x flight, dump powdered metal into the exhaust to turn it into a makeshift thermal sprayer
>>16805997it at least needs an open-mouthed wojak pointing into the distance
>>16805928#SunFacts
I'm trying to design an expendable upper stage for a TSTO spaceplane (think Skylon but without rocket mode, not this pic). Would this be the most optimal config?
>>16806090Idk ask your dad.
>>16806090Pretty much. The A-12 also put the external load at the same position.
>>16805918why hasn't the guy who is obsessed with mars mattresses replied to this post yet
Kyplanet is such low-effort slop.
>>16804509Why bother with a Station when StarShip can be used?
>mercury, venus and earth will be gobbled up by the red giant sun>neptune, uranus and saturn will be ejected from the system>galileans will evaporate into spaceMars is truly the last bastion of humanity.
>>16804509So why would he run a company with zero real commercial prospects?Is he some kind of cuck? The physiognomy checks out
>>16806125Why not go with the ejected Uranus? It has enough helium 3 to power humanity for billions of years.
>>16806120yet you watch every one of my videos.
>>1680590517billion highway robbery
>>16806120idiot.
>>16806146Why?
>>16806120I don't know who that is, but I still miss CostPlusContent. He was one of ours.
>The Space Force issued contracts to SpaceX and United Launch Alliance worth more than $1 billion for seven military launch missions starting in fiscal 2027. >SpaceX received $714 million for five launches and ULA was awarded $428 million for two launches, USSF said in an Oct. 3 news release.https://www.airandspaceforces.com/space-force-awards-ula-spacex-1-billion-for-seven-launches/
Where we dropping boys?
>>16806161SpaceX $142.8m per missionULA $214m per mission
>>16806164The council of /sfg/ has already plotted out the various territories and kingdoms.
>>16806166SpaceX $142.8m per low energy missionULA $214m per high energy missionFixed.
Imagine going to Boca Chica and seeing a cute girl and then calling her Boca Chica chica XD XD XD XD
>>16806008That one crew member is going to have to suffer 6 months of lingering Pakistani smell. That's rough.
>>16806186Would it lack dignity if I followed with "I am Pickle Rick"?
>>16806137>Boasting about successfully promoting his AI slop YouTube channel, in here of all places.*cringe*
>>16806193it's not ai slop jackass. It's informative content cutting through the myths of space and planetary science. not that you would know idiot.
>>16806122wetlabs are not good for long term studies or at scale manufacturing. Starship WILL be excellent at space tourism. It can take like 25-50 people to orbit for relatively cheap and do a couple orbits before coming back.
>>16806197Your videos are shite. Please stop promoting them here.
>>16806199fuck you and your dad loser... where is your channel?
>>16806198High risk joyride for the customers, and for the company. A different set of regulations and regulators kick in for commercial passenger travel. And an accident can ground everything.
>>16806205>high riskIf they get to the point where there landing record is as good as falcon it wont really be high risk. That being said I don't think they will catch crew ships initially if I'm being honest. We'll see. The point i'm trying to make here is that starship will fill the space tourism market better than a space station because it will be way cheaper than dragon ever was. Starship itself cannot really be used to do station resupply and crew rotation though because it's Too Fucking Big for every single station that exists or is in development.
>>16806210Oh AI...>The Falcon 9's overall mission failure rate is approximately 0.6%, with a success rate of about 99.4% as of September 2025That is nowhere near good enough for commercial travel. A 1:200 chance of fiery death doesn't sell tickets or get government certification. Those are shuttle odds.
>>16806186>let me see what that boca chica of yours can do, girl
>>16806212exclude the earlier out of service versions of falcon
>>16806166>>16806174SpaceX gets to keep the booster and the fairings too, holding back reserve energy, hence the lower price.ULA keeps nothing, its all about expending all of the energy, all at once.
>As of Oct. 1, approximately 15,000 NASA employees are furloughed, and most operations halted except for the International Space Station, satellites, and the Artemis program.It's so ogre
>>16806217They get backpay once the govt opens up again. I will not shed a tear
>>16806217China will fix spaceflight. Trust the plan.
>>16806217thats due to the government shut down right? its fucking nothing then.
>>16806218Many may just get cannedhttps://www.astronomy.com/science/how-the-government-shutdown-affects-nasa/
esa should open an office in the us
>>16806222ESA should do something other than studies an vaporware
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48136-0Thoughts about this for CO2 scrubbing in spaceflight? Would it be better than zeolite 13X?
>>16806048>How will SpaceX deal with ablation of the hotstage ring now that it can't be replaced?The actual erosion rate is probably pretty low. This might simply be a wear life detail, or it might be a prompt for more engineering work further down the line.
>>16806224I will hold a meeting to discuss the possibility and sustainability of commissioning an investigation on the feasibility of creating a council which will discuss the possible alternatives to the current situation. All funded by taxes of course! Viva la Europa!
>>16806220NASA paid vacation. Most of the employees are scheduling their bottom surgery during the furlough.
https://youtu.be/uCObwsXbSeU
>>16806164Gusev for me
>>16806048>now that it can't be replaced?This is midwit thinking to argue that once one rocket is built a certain way, it becomes completely impossible to build future rockets a different way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKgTlN8KkaI
brooo what if we started paywalling our videos? we'd make soooo much money !
>>16806255can't think of a more pointless meeting, 99% male and all they do is talk about the nsf content they watch and watching steel tubes and cylinders you can do that here [spoiler]for free[/spoiler]
>>16806249Nobody said design changes can't happen in the future retard. Your reading comprehension needs some work.
>>16806254He's trying so hard to emulate Musk's style lol
>>16806264Your dad s trying hard to emulate a heterosexual man. Why does Jeff live rent free in your head tranny?
>>16806264funnily enough he also talked about the culture series at the endbut i'm not so sure he is trying to emulate musk, bezos started a rocket club when he was in uni, he does really think these things are cool as wellits just that he just decided to focus 100% on Amazon instead of doing multiple things at once like musk
>>16806269>Why does Jeff live rent free in yRent free and its replying to a video of him did you even click the link you lazy faggot
>>16806264if he was trying to emulate musk he would be stuttering every 5 seconds
>>16806255>>16806259Internet community meetups and conventions have never ended well. I thought this was common knowledge by now.It would be especially bad in the fucking UK, where nobody has ever seen a rocket launch before, their countries dont build rockets, dont plan to conquer space, nobody has ever worked in the field, or is even remotely connected to their hobby, which is absolutely worshipping Americans, and following every move in 1080p. This alone is a reason to NOT meet, let alone stream it.
>>16806270Every once in a while I try to imagine a world where Jeff actually applied himself toward Blue and there was real competition for Spacex, but I always have to stop because I get sad
>>16806259>99% maleAnd the remaining 1% are MtF transvestites lmao
>>16806298ooof yikes umm... we don't do transmisoginy here in /sfg/ this is a safe space
>>16806298leave nsf/clear alone
>>16806300elon despises trannies btw and trannies will be banned from mars.
>>16806300Space isn’t “safe,” e.g. Soyuz 11
>>16806254holy shit, what a bullshit "interview". I hate him even more now. its like he hopes to give highly scripted college commencement speeches someday, and all of them will sound like this bullshit. he desperately wants to be seen as the wise, cool, moral leader that people look up to, but in reality everyone hates this manThe random bursts of applause from the fake crowd sounds like a laugh track from a bad 80s sitcom, dramatic lighting, and fake host leading the perfect questions to blow smoke up this guys ass. what a poorly masked attempt at being a genuine human being. mark zuckerberg is more likeable than this guy, and thats like choosing between a firing squad and the electric chair, they both suck but jeff actually sucks worsenothing can redeem him>>16806296Im sad now too, if people out there didnt click the 26 minutes of shameful embarrassment, I say dont, there are better ways to spend your timetime to drink myself into oblivion, what a shitty thing to release on a saturday
>>16805796https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2006/07/elon-muskspacex-interview-part-1/
>>16806322really makes you think
why does Bezos live rent free in tranny heads in this board? What makes him caus esuch seething and dilation? could it be becuase he actually is bringing us closer to offworld manufacturing?
>>16806324Blorg is moving at NASA speed. Only without the complexities of politicians periodically meddling with programs.
>>16806324Who knows, it's really a mystery.
we should nuke 3I atlas
It's become clear, with this whole 31/Atlas thing, that we need to put a satellite in Mars orbit that is able to quickly put a really good camera on not just Mars and its moons but also any object making its way through the inner solar system that just happens to be passing through without Earth proximity cameras being able to get a good look at it.
Imagine the number of comets, rogue planets, etc. that travel in interstellar space in near absolute zero temperatures, never passing close from anything for millions of years, then suddenly "visit" a solar system for a few month, then disappear again in the cold nothingness of space.It's pretty spooky.
>>16806345for you, the day you visited the solar system was the most important day of your life, but for us, it was tuesday
>>16806341Basically Comet Interceptor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Interceptor)
>>16806341We need a network of telescopes that are each much more powerful than JWST, covering a broad range of the EM spectrum.We need gigantic radio telescopes actively sweeping the entire solar system to characterize and track asteroids.But first, we need a rock to hit a major city in order to scare the normies into funding these things.
>>16806364>disgruntled astronomer hides tungsten cubesat in payload bay and de-orbits it right into Washington DC
>>16806364starship could easily launch a bunch of cheap mass produced telescopes specifically for NEO finding
>>16804735settle down, Zubrin
>>16804735counter point: Nazi's built a safe society free from the dangers of knife wielding diversity
>>16806372Yes, but at what cost
>>16806373Absolutely nothing of value will be lost.
Do you think we should stop SpaceX from launching in Starbase because they're doing too much?
>>16806369Ok, go find the money to build the production line
>>16804735You simply don't understand why spacex or any of his other companies are successful
https://phys.org/news/2025-10-venus-clouds-reanalyzed.html>Venus's cloud aerosols are 60% water, according to reanalyzed Pioneer dataWhat else are we flat fucking wrong about?
>>16806377woman question
*rubs belly*moon's looking nice tonight
>>16806382Mars doesn't have any perchlorates, any 'evidence' of perchlorates is actually micro organisms at work.
>>16806389please do not the moon
White House Investigates Whether to Chop Space Shuttle Discovery Into Pieces so it can be taken to Texas with the blacks
>>16806382everything about the alien planets is basically fiction
>>16806236kek
>>16806391I am going to fuck the moon and there's not a damn thing you can do to stop me
>>16806382big bang theory is big bunk
>>16806433Your hubris will be your undoing.
I will fly to DC and help with a picket line if they do try and take it from the Smithsonian.
why doesnt space donate the first catch starship and the Smithsonian gets to keep it's shittle
>>16806462>shuttleboomertrash compactor go brrrtotal spaceplane death
>>16806461My penis will be the moon's doing
happy Sputnik day to all who celebrate
>>16806486Why would I ever celebrate putler and his space program??!?
>>16806487Joseph Stalenberg, actually. Commies won the title of first to ever put something in orbit. Sad that the US slept and allowed that to happen
>>16806490it's ok we used the power of Naz- I mean *German* engineering to beat them to the moon!
>>16806493Russians used german (aka nazi) V2 tech to get to orbit. And V2 was the first object to reach space in general. It didn't make orbit, but it flew out of the atmosphere and touched the heavens.
>>16806486Okay, I'll start a new KSP-RO playthrough tomorrow now that blackrack's clouds updated.
>>16806360Damn, that's pretty neat. Looks like the ESA can do something once in a while. I hope it has a camera, maybe even a nuke to blow up some spacerock.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjnYSRqbDrQ
I feel terrible. I've been lurking and not posting for weeks.
>>16806585The entire world is in a state of retro-evolution, things have taken a sharp step back on all fronts, and its accelerating.The scientific potential is there, but the social ills that plague us all have won. Not just won, but dominated.The great filter theory was not only correct, but was actively occurring. A tipping point was crossed and now, its all slipping away, forever out of reachI wonder who is responsible for this outcome. think about it.
>>16806589>>>/pol/antisemitic dogwhistles are cringe
>>16806589It would be hilarious if Trump banned all officials from WEF and designated it as foreign spy organization
>>16806595>>16806597Its like you think that the powers that be dont regulate spaceflight with an iron fist? They absolutely have to, to maintain control. Do you think exploration has been throttled recently for no fuckin' reason at all? Open your eyes. Some people reach for the stars, others are parasites dragging you back with g forces that defy physical laws. physics says, destroy the parasite and continue the pursuit of happiness, and that is exactly what I will do
>>16806601you're actually schizophrenic. what throttling? we're doing better than ever.fuck off
>>16806601so you'll kill me for being jewish? alright lol, have fun with that.
>>16806604I expect this reply during Euro-Asian hours.Real Americans will defend my post, once bacon and eggs have been served, in about 5-6 hours from now.>we're doing better than ever.who is we? you are a paid influencer, fuck off
>>16806606You have to eat the bacon. or else
>>16806607I'm American and I work in spaceflight. you're a schizo antisemite retard. hello.
>>16806608I love bacon. I make latkes in bacon grease.you seem to have a /pol/ified worldview. you do realize they're all trolling you right? or are you just like 12 years old?
>>16806606>>16806609>>16806610Net & Yahoo was right, they really are on the offensive right now with armies of zogbot propagandaAnd they have the funds to win, thanks to American taxpayer
>>16806606lol what a non-sequiturthe fact that you start screeching like this from nowhere is worryingwhy would you care if its all nonsense?
>>16806606I'll kill you for being an earther
>>16806609At 4:16 AM on Sunday, the so-called "American" worker in spaceflight, presumably from SpaceX (the dominant spaceflight company can be assumed, since he is employed in the USA)So, this guy who works 60 - 70 hours a week, with the mind on Mars, is on /sfg/ at 4:16 AM to defend Israel and call doubters a schizoid antisemiteLet me calculate the likelihoodhmm. something doesn't add up, my calc says this poster is lying. can /sci/ check the math?
>>16806626the timing suggests he is the person whining about Musk, there tend to be posts about shit like that at this time especially
>>16806595MAGAstanis are part of the problem. The same selfish small minded behaviour that makes them reluctant to help allies in need equally makes them unwilling to actually spend money on great things for the purpose of doing great things.Both sides of the political aisle are becoming more anti space in their own way. With the economic situation worstening the general population will be increasingly enraged by a fraction of a percent being spent on NASA, so it's budget will dwindle further.
>>16806626I fucking hate Israel. yet again you are absolutely clueless about how the world works.
spaceflight
What will happen to Pad A?
>>16806659Å
>>16806659They will be making a trench there too which means it will be offline for months.
>>16806168A more comprehensive map.
>>16806644Hopefully Musk and Bezos will fund space colonization on their own. Already they spend comparably to NASA manned spaceflight funding.
>>16806674After they are dead it won't last. And oligarch driven space is not exactly desirable. Musk being the man who has to drive us forward is a sign of the times. He is a dark hero and a commentary on our system.
>/sfg/ with all their crazy plans for exploration>in the realworld: govt has shut down, nasa is dry, and even basic space programs are at riskfix the government first
It's okay because at least we have China
>>16806685>fix le earth problems first!!!No. You will burn in your shitpile together with every subhuman race.
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