Gradatim Ferociter - editionprevious >>16819177
>>16822056First for Rocket Factory Augsburg
https://x.com/Blobifie/status/1980171400032981135>South Korean launch company, Innospace, has received the launch license for its "Hanbit-Nano" rocket & is targeting a 32 day launch window starting on the 28th! Innospace's "Spaceward" mission will carry 8 small satellites & will launch from the Brazilian Alcântara Space Center!
Third for Félicette, first and only cat in space <3
Why doesn't Britain launch from here?
>>16822070Intercontinental space is hard.
>>16822070It's Br*tain who we are talking about. Wouldn't surprise if Saint Helena, Ascension and Tristan da Cunha somehow gain independence and get to keep the launch site for themselves lmao
https://x.com/JackKuhr/status/1980349460279349600Locksneed wants in>Featuring Bob from Bob n' Doug
would be funny if they rushed an Apollo retread and astronauts died
is it the fate of all astronauts to retire and either try into politics or become corporate tools for oldspace primes
Let's say China launch first, they land on the Moon and then they get back to Lunar orbit and the engiens aren't working anymore and they can't go back, will USA attempt to rescue them? Will they do Artemis 3 while Chinese astronauts are dying in their little capsule?
>>16822075Lockheeb is way better than Boeing cause they're actually competent
>>16822080>will USA attempt to rescue them?of fucking course. hell, I can already picture musk/spacex doing the entire rescue mission for free. imagine the publicity.
>>16822075
SpaceX will never be one of the primes. Everyone in defense hates them.t. worked on F-35 program
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980348602473210187
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980346131285700934
>>16822085because they make everyone else look like clowns in comparison
why does he want a moon landing during his term so badly anyway? it would be a nothingburger that the american public would forget about in two weeks anyway. doesn't really appeal to vanity
>>16822084we will have it ready in 12 years for 1billion I mean 2 billion I mean 4 billion dollars.Pay no attention to the exotic space dorito in the back that's just a mockup.
>>16822088wait what? xAI is already at a $113B valuation? man, this elon guy will become a trillionaire in no time.
>>16822092haaang on, I just found out X was bought by xAI earlier this year. wtf, I've been away from the twitter drama for too long.
>>16822092there has been some news about them trying to raise at 200bil, but not sure what the official number is113b was after merging with X
>>16822083I wonder if China would refuse. It would be an absolute death blow to their image.
The original 1s still remember Solar City.
>>16822088How in the ever living fuck is OAI more valuable than SX? Do kikes really believe this is sustainable in the long run?
>>16822084It's the Crew Demo astronaut. Et tu.
https://x.com/SecDuffyNASA/status/1980359623975792872
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>>16822100>death blow to their image.Refusing help would be an even worse move for their image.>but they could just conceal the truth about the incidentYeah, no. It would leak immediately, this is not the early 60s anymore.
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>>16822109>>16822112this would be such a cool rocket at 1/8 the cost
>>16822109ESA?
>>16822063Ma'am, this is a spaceflight thread
>>16822070Once they start buying their own starships to own and operate they will simply take the dv hit and launch from Scotland
>>16822092Huh, turns out his fortune did reach a number of $500B just two weeks ago. Halfway there, it's that easy in mone-ry.
>>16822104Once the software/AI bubble pops only companies that produce actual products will be left standing. Which I guess will mostly be China and Spacex/Tesla. With debt being leveraged on gdp the US will absolutely be fucked when all it's cuckware companies turn out to be pointless
kind of doubt Jared is going to become the administrator at this pointor if he is, its after all the big decisions have already been made and set into motion so he can't do anythingmassive pork contracts that last much longer than Jareds term would
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvGnYM14-1A
>>16822123Doesn’t matter to me anymore. He gave duffy his blueprint when he was originally given the boot out the door. And just like DOGE, everyone with authority saw those plans and scoffed. Even if they let him in (and make no mistake, they will make it clear that they are ALLOWING him the opportunity) they will have a leash on the whole situation.The future isn’t with NASA anyways—it lies with SpaceX. Artemis is not sustainable for anything past artemis III and you aren’t going to change that without a heart of iron and the political will to change Trump’s mind directly. How is the latter possible when the Don already brushed you out of DC like an inconvenient speckle of dust on the shoulder
>>16822120Beños should have gone into AI, he could have kept up(also to not cheat on his wife for a goblina)
>>16822128>anything past artemis III>change Trump’s mindTrump will be gone before Artemis III can happen, much less anything past it.
>>16822129Trust the plan, son. AmazonAI cooming soon.
Oh look, it's back to flying like a brick.
>>16822138they turned it back off
>>16822138trust the plan
>>16822112>>16822109>>16822108we should've been at this point a decade ago
>>16822138https://www.satcat.com/sats/63235It actually looks like they've turned it back on after letting it drift down 1km
>>16822084>Throughout the year, [we] have been performing significant technical and programmatic analysis...Sounds like something I'd say back in uni when asked how my project is going, and then immediately called out on my bullshit.
would be kind of funny if orion and sls were the actual long poles for artemis 3 (not that unlikely) and SpaceX just did the whole moon landing mission by themselves with private astronautsI wonder if NASA tried to find a way to block that? Musk might get the president convinced if it mean that the moon landing happened during Trumps term
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>>16822151woops that screenshot was after messing around with the zoom levels and stuff
>>16822126Girls with guns will never not be cringe
https://youtu.be/_lhNJcxUiXgI found this video today and really liked it. This guy has a whole playlist of edits like this one for each Starship launch.
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>>16822157The best shot a woman ever took, she yelled “TASER TASER TASER” right before
>>16822126why did musk date this uggo again
>>16822162He's autistic
>>16822154>>16822146The fact that the orbital period continues to decrease tells you the orbit is still decaying, at pretty much the same rate it was before. Remember that the company claimed this thing would raise it's orbit by 100 km.
average day in america
>>16822172>at pretty much the same rateNope. It's orbital period actually hasn't decayed below 94.735 minutes since yesterday
>>16822181here's an orbital period comparison of another cubesat from Transporter 13 with no thruster onboard
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980378337618063732
>>16822181If you look at the full plot >>16822138 you can see the rate of decay is not constant even before the test began. It varies.
>>16822192Error bar drive with tape outgassing afterburners lmao
>>16822186Which has a different ratio of surface area to mass. Also your scales are unequal.
>>16822195>Also your scales are unequal.yeah I just noticed, it does start to look more like just drag variation atp now
>>16822188Sure, who's going to fund it?
>>16822194Also remember that the spacecraft has another payload on board which is a water based thruster. No exotic physics. IVO never mentioned this. The company has been pretty opaque about this, and about the testing schedule. https://www.nanosats.eu/sat/otp-2https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=60272.0;attach=2306196
>>16822172>Remember that the company claimed this thing would raise it's orbit by 100 km.>>16822138>>16822146>>16822151>>16822154>>16822181schizos looking for the tiniest sign of change, not even knowing what dates it was turned on or off
>>16822197This is just data collection bro, have you ever done a physics lab? Plotting discrete points of data rarely gives you a picture-perfect outcome. Not to mention a little shitsat isn’t going to get you ideal measurements either. It’s just the way data collection goes
>>16822203Yeah I know, Rogue Space is silent about that and when it was tested but we know from McCullough and Mansell that as of September they are strictly testing the IVO drive only. It may be that the firestar was tested first to lose some mass from the water and it may be that it didn't fire at all but nothing we can know
>>16822206>not even knowing what dates it was turned on or offyou're more clueless than me
>>16822201just use the budget for SLS, Orion and Gateway for itshould be plenty
okay NASA really is sticking with the February Artemis II launch date it seems
>>16822222Quints confirm
>>16822225>>16822229watch and learn, kid >>16822231
>>16822231i kneel
>>16822112Oh shit I never realised that they actually had hardware already stacked
>>16822233you and like 90% of the US
>Artemis II launching in February>night launch>literally no different views from Artemis ISLS is a troll rocket
/sfg/ - /super fail general/
>>16822091If you give them 100 billion immediately it would be done in less than 5 minutes. NASA would be butt fucking retarded not to take this deal
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980394538347946408https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/nasas-acting-leader-seeks-to-keep-his-job-with-new-lunar-lander-announcement/>There are a couple of significant takeaways from this interview. First is the public acknowledgement by a senior NASA official that the space agency’s current timeline of a 2027 landing is completely untenable. And secondly, the timing of Duffy’s public appearances on Monday morning seems tailored to influence a fierce, behind-the-scenes battle to hold onto the NASA leadership position.
>>16822128>Jared leashed to NASA Admin for 3 years when he can't change or do anythingI don't think he would accept that
>>16822241>Duffy has appeared to enjoy the limelight that comes with leading NASA. In the future, one source said, “Duffy wants to be president.” The NASA position has afforded him greater visibility, including television appearances, to expand his profile in a positive way. “He doesn’t want to give up the job,” the source added.so duffy wants to use this as a platform for to further his political careervery gay
>>16822238SLA-chan has self esteem issues like every girl I sleep with.>No anon, don't turn on the lights! Don't look at me!
>>16822243yeah but also>never mention the moon or Artemis for months now>latest SpaceX streams don't bother to mention Artemis just show Mars>the instant their position as winners of the Artemis III contract is threatened Elon is suddenly obsessed about and talking about the moon againI find it so funny, oh wow now you care
>>16822246why would they need to mention the moon?
>>16822241>Duffy also cites “maybe others” getting involved. This refers to a third option. In recent weeks, officials from traditional space companies have been telling Duffy and the chief of staff at the Department of Transportation, Pete Meachum, that they can build an Apollo Lunar Module-like lander within 30 months. Amit Kshatriya, NASA’s associate administrator, favors this government-led approach, sources said.JARED SAVE US
>>16822249Lol Duffy is getting conned and he is falling for it
>>16822243Motherfucker will hold onto the NASA admin role for his own political gain without caring about NASA itself as an organization in need of reform and actual leadership like Jared wouldDuffy+oldspace alliance vs. Jared and newspace that's what its all coming down to
>>16822244I wonder if she'll ever fly outside of Artemis 1-3
lobbyists will sabotage Jareds nomination if he gets it again btw, they have deeper pockets. it's so over for NASA
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980402022458486988>Duffy wants to put NASA under DOT
>>16822264I’m sure there are some good arguments for this, but I can’t help but feel like Duffy is a self-serving faggot
>>16822275he is, he won't serve NASA at all just his own interests
>>16822253I would make her watch as I fuck Starshipgirl
>>16822194kek, trueI heard there's work on a stopped-taking-my-lithium drive
>>16822244You should start dating less ugly women
Headline: SpaceX Failures Imperil NASA Return to Moon
>>16822288I mean, that headline is factually true, they are behind schedule.
>>16822288Jarvis enhance
>>16822070Broke, head of state’s a closet homosexual Chinese agent, violent ethnic conflict years away, dwindling industry, brain drain, regulatory outlawing of entrepreneurship, 60% income tax + 20% VAT…Multiple existential crises, all lethal; and you want them to into space?
>Starship, picked by NASA in 2021 under a contract now worth $4.4 billion, faces a 2027 moon landing deadline that agency advisers estimate could slip years behind schedule, citing competing priorities.The rest of Artemis won't be ready by 2027, so can we stop playing make believe?
>The Wall Street Journal report confirms what I've heard about Duffy pushing for NASA to fold into the Department of Transportation. He's meeting with Senators. For him a win-win: he gets to take credit for NASA's success, but doesn't have to run the agency.
>Duffy is acting like the General Director of Roscosmos
NASA needs a complete restructuring where Congress doesn't control the purse from POTUS administration to administration where directives can swing wildly, and there also needs to be check-and-balances to internally regulate it so liberal academics don't seize full control and make it the eternal climate science administration. It should get a flat budget for manned spaceflight (Stations, Moon, and Mars), Earth Sciences, Telescopes, and Solar System exploration probes. Money that isn't spent should be able to get banked and saved.It's also not the 1970s anymore... NASA's existence was good for building the Saturn V and getting man on the moon. These days it needs to function more like a customer with lots of money to throw at the private market, and as an insurance developer who can front money to do raw R&D that would benefit all the smaller companies
>>16822249>Amit Kshatriya, NASA’s associate administrator, favors this government-led approach, sources said.A COST PLUS contract will fix this, bro. Pls bro, don't you want to beat china bro. Give me the cost plus contract and the government will be in charge. Bro pls bro.
>>16822306>the eternal climate science administrationisnt NOAA supposed to do that shit anyway
>>16822307The 30/30/30 deal:$30 billion, contract goes out next January. You must provide the name of 30 top engineers and managers at your company. You have a hard deadline of December 31, 2030. Public gallows with thirty slots will be built on the lawn at KSC. If your lander is not ready by the deadline, treason charges
>>16822292>violent ethnic conflict years awayan optimist, I see
>>16822291Excellent work
>>16822288You don't hate journalists enough. You think you do, but you don't.
>>16822316no matter how many times I read this sentence it's true.
https://archive.ph/TLW87#selection-1571.0-1571.391>She provided more details in a separate statement late in the day Oct. 20. “NASA’s Human Landing System program has given both SpaceX and Blue Origin the opportunity to present acceleration approaches by Oct. 29,” she stated. “NASA is also going to request plans from the entire commercial space industry – through an RFI – for how NASA can increase the cadence of our mission to the moon.”
Refueling Starship in orbit, tossing it toward the Seventh Planet, then using the ship to aerobrake in the Uranian atmosphere.Go big or go home.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xNVVIpdQKE
>>16822322All I'm seeing here is a very thinly veiled plea for NASA to fund research into alternative RTG designs that don't use plutonium
Adding to the urgency, allies of Isaacman had heard Trump could make a decision announcing a NASA leader nominee as early as Monday. A White House official said “when a final decision has been made, it will be announced directly by President Trump.”
>>16822323zeno power
>>16822327So this is why Duffy went out with this announcement today, its all disgusting politicking
>>16822327this is what winning looks like btw
man I bet Elon feels like a real idiot now for criticizing and campaigning briefly against Trumps Big Bill
>>16822222They gonna diehttps://youtu.be/xV25ol-NedQ?t=373
>>16822330Horrendously disgusting of him if true, lol
>>16822336If jared gets the nomination then elon is literally the biggest winner ever
>>16822342he had in the bag in May then had to go and fuck it all up, giving Gor the win
Starships issue is reentry. Human rating Starship for reentry will be tough.Would you want to belly flop, and then rely on computer control not making even a tiny miscalculation on a suicide burn?Likely starship will carry a more conventional vehicle inside like dragon capsule for astronaut reentry.
>>16822252Trump will can Duffy and reinstall Jared simply because he doesn't like people acting too big for their boots
I hate to derail the thread with /pol/sperging but>1960's right-wingers: We need to get to beat these fucking commies to the moon! *carries out the greatest streak of scientific innovation in human history and sends men to the fucking moon*>2020's rightoids: Acktually the earth is FLAT, space is FAKE, how bout that LIBTURDS? *retcons the White man's greatest achievement just to clapback at genderspergs and IFLSfags on twitter*What the fuck happened that buckbroke them so hard? Was it just 9/11? GWOT?
>>16822319>>16822322Why Uranus? I would think Jovian and Saturnian moons are way more interesting for le scienceEnceladus is poorly explored yet has internal heat and oceans. It's prime to check out.
>>16822356>What the fuck happened that buckbroke them so hard? Was it just 9/11? GWOT?Ongoing widescale psyops by adverserial nation states who only know how to drag others down instead of pulling themselves up.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency
>>16822356Neoliberalism and AIPAC
>>16822346>Human rating Starship for reentry will be tough.The demonstrated "kill everyone aboard" rating for Shuttle was 1%. Grade on the curve.
>>16822346Starship isnt contracted for human reentry. So its a non issue.
>>16822357Decadal Survey Priority One. And if you can do Uranus, Jupiter and Saturn are hitting off the Ladies Tee.
>>16822360 Missions #1 through #24 irinocally were the safest
>>16822361>Reentry on Mars doesn't count.May not have a contract, but that is the goal.
Due to the lapse in federal government funding, NASA is not updating this website. We sincerely regret this inconvenience.
>>16822367>they shut APOD downbut we owned the libz!!!
>>16822366Thats like 10 years away, plenty of time to solve any issue
>>16822351>Save us, Trump-sama.Get fucked Muskrats
>>16822381Based. It will be kino when we see it on live
>>16822356>>16822358This, blame the fucking Soviets, can't compete directly and on merit so have to resort to deception, subversion and fomenting internal strifeRussia was caught doing this during BLM too
>>16822346They could just rendezvous with a dragon in orbit after some light aerobraking (I don't know if this is actually possible)
Ship 39's nosecone is being stacked on the forward dome.
>>16822381b-but we have to save mass anon
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>>16822408[mechanical breathing]
>>16822407They'd weigh less than a banana.
>>16822408
>>16822423Reminds me of those 1980s McDonalds Transformer toys. Especially the cheeseburger.
>>16822356libertarian tea party schizo's ruined everything
>>16822408the habitable volume of starship is so tiny
>>16822428Starship is really just a cuckpod with extra steps.
>>16822420Those bananas tend to add up. And by add up, I mean end up, in a certain atheist's ass.
>>16822363>Decadal Survey Priority OneSo I'm reading it now, it's nice to see that Enceladus is 2nd priority on the flagship list but still don't get the point of a uranus mission, it seems to lack practical outcomes. > The decadal survey prioritizes the Uranus Orbiter and Probe (UOP) as the highest priority new Flagship mission for initiation in the decade 2023-2032.>UOP will deliver an in situ atmospheric probe and conduct a multi-year orbital tour that will transform our knowledge of ice giants in general and the Uranian system in particular. UOP science objectives address Uranus’ i) origin, interior, and atmosphere, ii) magnetosphere; and iii) satellites and rings.>The second highest priority new Flagship mission is the Enceladus Orbilander.>Enceladus is a moon of Saturn and an ice-rock world with active plumes of gas and particles that originate from its subsurface ocean. Study of plume material allows direct study of the ocean’s habitability, addressing a fundamental question: is there life beyond Earth and if not, why not? Orbilander will analyze fresh plume material from orbit and during a two-year landed mission. Its main science objectives are: i) to search for evidence of life; and ii) to obtain geochemical and geophysical context for life detection experiments. Finding life and exploration of moons with liquid water imo has far more practical benefits and returns to society.
>>16822436If we're still stuck in a paradigm of down selection for missions to the celestial bodies, our entire approach to solar system exploration is backwards and nonsensical.
Now what’s the next step in Duffy’s master plan?
>>16822428yeah, that's nowhere close to a cubic kilometer at all, more like a couple of cubic hectometers.
>>16822356>>2020's rightoids: Acktually the-Hideous strawman, get dead.
>One day I'll go thereI say, gazing up at the dim red dotEven though I knowI will not.
>>16822445They should have sent a poet (you). But they didn't lol
>>16822445That's nice, anon. I still remember the good, old times when I used to write poetry or some short immersive stories about space in here. Now with the advent of AI I don't really do it anymore, since everyone will just accuse me of pasting artificially-generated texts... art has become somewhat meaningless :(
I dont think rockets work like that
>>16822063God please, I'm starting to lose hope
>>16822452Smartass boomers, with their fakeass show making fun of better men than themselves
hmmm looks familiar
For some perspective, 614 cubic meters is comparable to the volume of the typical modern American house, maybe even a bit bigger than that.
>>16822436The Survey tells you specifically why Uranus was ranked first.
>>16822474BO's lander is gonna touch down only after two Starships have landed? That's gonna be underwhelming.
https://x.com/Byron_Wan/status/1979750708196090066>Oct 13: a Chinese rocket booster (LM-2D) crashed into a ranch in Guinan County (贵南县), Hainan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, Qinghai province. Lots of toxic pollutants were left behind in the area…
>>16822474Anything less than 1000 is unacceptable.
>>16822480It's probably housing but the shit in the zoom in looks like a second debris field, so I am currently imagining China punishing a dissident with their space program.
>>16822480How do they plan to go to the moon when they missed the village that badly?
>>16822474>XX>(estimated)
>>16822480if you look closely after impact you can see a COPV yeeting itself at high speed
>>16822485BO might not have the interior design completely finalized yet, but it looks like ought to have at least as much space as a decently-sized bedroom. Also, I just measured the dimensions of my closet out of curiosity and it's apparently actually slightly more spacious than the LM. Imagine living in a closet-sized space with another dude for most of a 2-3 day period.
>>16822489>Imagine living in a closet-sized space with another dude for most of a 2-3 day period.Not the mindset they had or I would have in such a situation even if it can be reduced to that when viewed as a casual observer.
>>16822388yeaaah, the "soviets" are the ones behind all this shit
>>16822498Champagne socialism's biggest proponents are inordinately wealthy bastards.
>>16822388>This, blame the fucking ****, can't compete directly and on merit so have to resort to deception, subversion and fomenting internal strife>The **** were caught doing this during BLM tooftfyk
Headline: NASA Budget Decimated. American Space Leadership Imperiled
Headline: Taco Tuesday in ISS Cafeteria
What if a US citizen funded a private accelerated moon mission with Starship, going entirely solo and landing with a fully-provisioned ship all to himself but not enough fuel to get back and no alternate return plan. Multiply-redundant safety and life support systems with the parts and tools to fix them, and as many supplies as would fit, but no way to get back. Then he just tells the US government to come get him before the food runs out in order to force reform in the space program.The ping would be horrendous but you could still access the internet with the right comms setup. Instant global celebrity advocating for space exploration from the Moon. Governments would be racing against each other to find ways to send resupply or rescue missions to get the PR win.
>>16822346Starship hasn't had any issues with reentry and landing thus far.
>>16822525>Burn though on flaps and hull isn't a issue.
>>16822518>imagine the smell
>>16822527It completed the landing burns without issue and the interior was not breached.
>Duffy wants to either be NASA admin or have NASA be part of the Dept of Transportation>Jared is back in the running for NASA admin and is widely desired over Duffy>Lockheed has been whispering sweet nothings into Duffy's earThis all combines into Duffy trying a Hail Mary PR pass of ensuring a Moon landing during the current admin period, except you have to be painfully ignorant or deliberately dishonest to believe that oldspace can deliver a Moon lander in 30 months when it has been a more than a decade since Commercial Crew was awarded and they still cannot deliver astronauts to the ISS.
>>16822527The only burnthroughs on Flight 11 were where SpaceX deliberately left bare steel exposed.
https://x.com/realhomerhickam/status/1980372189196218874>I always thought (& said so at the time) that Kathy Lueders awarded the #HLS contract to @Spacex because she thought it would ultimately do the entire mission when the American gov't finally woke up to the fact that the SLS/Orion/Gateway Artemis mission design was an unworkable Rube Goldberg plan. And I begged Jim Bridenstine's team on the same day as Mike Pence announced Artemis to please take SLS out of the critical path because Mike had given NASA an open field to get to the moon in five years "by any means necessary" but nooooo. So here we are.
>>16822527Minor cosmetic damage
>>16822343Did Gor act alone, or did other people who were concerned about Elon's influence in the WH pull the strings?Incredibly stupid of Elon to get involved with the Trump admin. He pissed them off and became the number two enemy of the dems. The next dem admin is going to take their pound of flesh.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980489977701282132Lol
>>16822541The DNC machine has hated him since 2020 and the Twitter takeover, backing Trump didn't contribute meaningfully. And there won't be another dem admin until 2033 at the earliest, at which point the political landscape will be so radically different that the phrase "dem admin" may not even be relevant. We're living in the early stages of a historical inflection point on par with or more significant than WWII.
>>16822544KEKW
>>16822544
>>16822544elon waking up to the HOG
https://x.com/MicahMaidenberg/status/1980400812586332322https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/trump-nasa-administrator-conflict-b7df4877
>>16822552[math]\unicode{x1F44F}[/math]Nationalize[math]\unicode{x1F44F}[/math]Space[math]\unicode{x1F44F}[/math]X[math]\unicode{x1F44F}[/math]NOW![math]\unicode{x1F44F}[/math]
>>16822463/sfg/ movie night when?
>>16822518How many fucking times do they need to show off them growing chillies in space. It's like Voyager leaving the solar system>https://x.com/NASAScience_/status/1454100673772019718>https://science.nasa.gov/science-research/new-research-connects-plant-nutrition-and-astronaut-gut-health/>https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPgfHtmAHvx/
post screenshots, not links. i aint clicking your links
Imagine if shartliner was cost plus contract
>>16822552Lol
https://x.com/CJHandmer/status/1980523824430096800
>>16822584Afuera!
>>16822585Abayo!
>>16822584He shouldn't have implied that Apollo was sad.
>>16822587thats not what was impliedjust doing something that was done over 50 years ago again would be sadthis does not mean what happened 50 years ago was sad itself, but technology has progressed a lot during that time
>>16822584guy really out there counting his chickens before they hatch
>>16822589starship is happening
>>16822590is it? what happens if the left come to power in 2028 and decide to go full retribution? the future is uncertain.
>>16822584>Starship making a round trip landing on the Moon without refueling.Like to see his numbers on that.
so its confirmed that it was a weather balloon just as hullo predicted...https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/the-mystery-object-that-struck-a-plane-in-flight-it-was-probably-a-weather-balloon/
Oh dear. Casey -- what have you done?
>>16822588>Apollo but sadderThat means Apollo was already somewhat sad
>>16822598it didn't live up to its potential
why are they suddenly blaming spacex for artemis 3? nasa doesnt even have suits yet.
>>16822084They have been planning something for a year which was just announced? Yeah okay, doesn't sound like someone has been stirring shit behind the scenes again whatsoever
>>16822104>>16822121The internet was a bubble too btw
>>16822601>suddenly
Blue Origin delayed Starship HLS by 6-12 months by sueing NASA and now the porkers are whining that HLS is delayedlmao
>>16822601to distract from the failures of SLS and Orion
>>16822608>delayed Starship HLS by 6-12 monthslolHLS overlaps with their Mars ships.
>>16822612yes, but it goes HLS -> marsship instead of the other way aroundthey were forbidden to work on HLS related things or talk to NASA and in any case, doing a lot of random shit that might or might not have relevance is not really something Musk tends to do
>>16822530>the interior was not breached.lmao nobody tell him.
>>16822629One would think the flames erupting from the hull would have been a clue.
>>16822596https://youtu.be/VfCYZ3pks48?t=169
>>16822310Theres a concerted effort by academics and dems to turn nasa into a redundant noaa for some reason.
>>16822288
>>16822671every dime spent on space is a dime not invested in black doctors, architects etc
>>16822422depot
>>16822381LED strips, you can probably get them at walmart, just a plain string of white LEDs and something to turn the whole strip on and off
>>16822684Now that I've actually read the context finally, it seems pretty clear when you look at Topolsky's post and then read Musk's reply that he's talking about the same powerful people/generic elite class that Topolsky was, simply rejecting his "free press" premise. Funny how both jews and non-jews acted like he named the jew thoughever
>>16822685NOAA is about black doctors and architects?
>>16822698I don't think they want to do that second step. Making nasa into a second noaa seems to be the end goal.
>>16822584Not reading all that. Sorry it happened, or congratulations on your new lunar architecture
>>16822702they absolutely hate space and space accessories
>>16822706every agency needs to be a way to shovel money to their special interests, otherwise it needs to be changed or deleted
>>16822521>nowhere in the course of executing a multi-billion dollar contract does anyone at SpaceX even ask how he's planning to get back from the moon or check with any regulatory agencyin case you were wondering, that was not a good post
>>16822544NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL SHITPOSTING
BO is looking in to the possibility to fast-tracking an Artemis 3 option utilizing ONLY Mk1 landers in lieu of more complicated architecture. They would build multiple Mk1s and stack them and use them as tugs/transfer vehicle/small crewed lander. This would eliminate refueling
>>16822722but Mk1 isn't a crewed vehicle?
>>16822449I still write because if I ignore the muse when it compels me I can't do anything the rest of the day. I would just ignore the AI.
>>16822723It would include a pressure vessel with life support on top of an Mk1
>>16822726Oh boy, a bolt-on crew compartment for a boots and flags mission, I can't wait!
>>16822727Yeah it’s retarded
>>16822727ENTER
>>16822726so it would require extensive modificationswhen all is said and done, it might take longer than going for mk2 directlysounds like a retarded idea and its a dead-end system by its design already
Today in based space newshttps://www.stripes.com/branches/space_force/2025-06-07/dod-trans-ban-bree-fram-18048778.htmlwarning, the article is written by an actual goblin
>>16822744based
>>16822744I like their uniforms
>>16822744
>>16822744Space Force more like Based Force
>>16822744warning, not written by an actual goblin just a waste of human biomass.
>>16822744>june 8
>>16822750Anon is in the Oort Cloud
>>16822747Unironically no one would have any issues if they (troons in general) looked good
>>16822752no, the problem is that they are insane as well
>>16822744unfortunately SF doesn't have any airlocks yet
>>16822753>>16822752i.e. if troons looked like they do now (like ugly freaks), but didn't try to push their ideologue everywhere, try to trans kids, get people fired for not using their pronouns and on and on then people wouldn't really care too muchthis backlash happened due to the years long, insane campaign the troons subjected the rest of world to
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980613172265369631Sean Duffy turned out to be a snake, very unfortunate
>>16822744Based, open the asylums. These people need Jesus
>>16822758why is duffy so hostile towards isaacman?
>>16822758What a faggot duffy is>>16822762He wants the job
>>16822758Is lobbying just paying to get your way?
>>16822762Wants it for himself.
>>16822764You hire people to talk up what a great guy you are.
>>16822763>>16822765sec of transport is better than nasa if he wants to be president
>>16822770He wants both
>>16822770admin of NASA gets more publicity, I really think its that simpleDuffy doesn't give a shit about either transportation or space, its just politics for hima cabinet level seat is a step up from congressman and being the admin of NASA gives him a lot of visibility, especially if NASA lands on the moon during his term as the admin
>>16822604No one is saying AI will suddenly disappear when the bubble bursts retard. Just like the dotcom bubble there's a ton of companies over valued right now.
Beat the Chinese.
>>16822798@grok is this a hate crime
>>16822798This is what happens when you play KSP and feel like you are ""supposed"" to make missions complicated, instead of one giant rocket
As someone who has watched the launch and deployment of JWST on /sfg/ a few years ago I feel like it made few discoveries. Feel free to prove me wrong though.
Unpopular opinion:Jobs are more important than space exploration.
>>16822802One rocket can't carry landers for 7 day surface stays.
>>16822804If you want jobs you wind down the spending and let the market do what it wants. If you have specific goals that are not served by the market you spend money.
>>16822798At a dick measuring one-off landing, or at a sustainable long-term presence?
Tell me this ain't some satanic shit
>>16822803>just one more telescope, I promisejust kidding, I love the scopes
>>16822811the problem is we just keep building ones that are 50% larger and proposing ones that are twice as big. we need 2 orders of magnitude to see real improvements now.
>>16822804government job programmes are an inefficient way to create jobs and are ultimately a drag
>>16822804It's cheaper to pay someone welfare than have them do a pointless meme job for 100k per year
>>16822080China will likely have a back-up launch stack on stand-by in the second VAB. That's what they do with CZ-2F/Shenzhou. It's likely for this exact reason that they are building two CZ-10 VABs at Wenchang.
>>16822798>2 sls launches requiredSo this is gonna be a 4 year mission at the very least?
>>16822762The NASA admin job is prestigious and involves a lot of big-money decisions, so of course there will be competition for it.
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1980642025096769949
>>16822608HLS is a Starship derivative. Core features of Starship are the source of delays. Did the lawsuit make SpaceX slow down Starship work?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980645697390277051
>>16822843https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_Duffy>Duffy was a professional lumberjack, competing in the city's Lumberjack World Championship for several years and winning multiple titles in speed climbing.
>>16822843Lol what?
>>16822758https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980646183229145091>*Sean Dummy
>>16822843Funny how this entire thing could have easily been avoided if Musk didn’t have his stupid ass melty
>>16822843No, but a major contractor's buddy and business partner shouldn't either. Isn't there a third option that is well-qualified but also doesn't have an obvious conflict of interest?
>>16822851Musk and Isaacman aren't buddies, they basically hadn't talked at all before Musk asked him if he wanted to become the admin for NASA
>>16822843Bad argument, considering that Trump is the one who will make the decision. Trump's own main claims to fame are reality TV, branding and real estate. He has appointed numerous podcasters and TV personalities to government roles. That's what he values.
>>16822804Popular opinion: you can employ people to do something useful rather than meaningless make-work projects
>>16822843>>16822847That's it, I've seen enough.Musk is simply retarded
>>16822843can’t be any worse than a guy whose claim to fame was weighing down the shuttle.
>>16822843lol Musk pinned this
>>16822853Isaacman's company invested $27.5m into Musk's company. There was Inspiration4 and Polaris Dawn. They had a coordinated charity drive. They made several joint public appearances. Yet they basically hadn't talked at all before 2025. Right.
>>16822744>>16822747Absolutely bizarre that they ever had to humor these obvious and outwardly mentally unwell people in the military to begin with.
>>16822859you think maezawa and musk are buddies?
>>16822862Well not anymore
>>16822862They might be. They were certainly business partners, although things seem to have fallen apart since. Hence Maezawa shouldn't be appointed to any government role that involves direct regulating of or contracting to Musk's companies.
>>16822843>>16822847this might backfire, be careful elon.....
>>16822849When did Elon Musk have a melty?
>>16822866back in May about Trumps BBB
https://www.thedailybeast.com/secret-maga-clash-blasts-off-over-battle-for-top-nasa-job-between-sean-duffy-and-jared-isaacman/
>>16822866He said Trump was on the list of persons who visited Epstein's island. Now they're chill again, and I don't know how after that. I certainly wouldn't associate with somebody I thought diddled kids, nor would I associate with somebody who accused me publically of diddling kids.
>>16822864they aren't and neither was Isaacman
https://x.com/stoke_space/status/1980651810412237111
>>16822866He had an H1B melty on christmas, and then had a public melty against the Don
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980654826129354924
>>16822874Is he retarded
>>16822878yes
>>16822872Pick a qualified person who hasn't recently been in what sums up to multiple hundred million dollars' worth of deals with a major NASA contractor
>>16822880so pick someone who has no actual experience?
we should increase government collusion and favoritism with spaceX since they are the only ones who can get anything fucking done
Question, how much weight does raptor 3 save on super heavy and starship?
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1980648137200136615
>>16822877I assume NASA would still exist, just not as an independent agency.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980655317454320079
>>16822882Careful now, this was the case back when the old guard actually made good stuff like Saturn V and LM… then everyone got too comfortable with eachother. I’ll pat your back you pat mine kind of thing.
>>16822881Experience with what? Going to space? I'm not sure that is a particularly important qualification for being NASA administrator, but if it is, then there are numerous ex-astronauts to choose from. Or do you mean experience managing a payment processing company?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980655934474187025
>>16822888space and businessare there other astronauts that are as successful in business (i.e. running an organization)
>>16822889>brachiationI HATE brachiators!!
>>16822886>It would probably kill its budget over time as wellHow so? NASA's budget would still be micromanaged by Congress, just like today
>>16822871It's all staged.
>>16822890Ex-astros are only good at running their mouths. Too many of them turn in to fags after 20 or so years back in the gravity well
>he thinks ISS is not in the gravity well
>>16822896everything is in a gravity well if you look hard enough
>iss orbits earth>earth orbits sun>sun orbits center of galaxy>galaxy orbits galactic cluster
So now he has called him gay AND low IQ kekhttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980657620160860501
>>16822890NASA isn't a business. And I fail to see how running a software business would necessarily grant relevant experience. Sure, Musk started as a software guy, but that is no guarantee of success. The aerospace industry is littered with companies run by software guys that didn't exactly perform well.And I reiterate that I fail to see how going to space would be a particularly important qualification. Just to take an example of something that seems way more important is an understanding of the engineering of going to space seems way more important. Isaacman has some qualifications in this area but there are others who could be equally or more qualified and without having any conflict of interest.
>>16822894maybe, but having actual experience is valuable even if pure NASA astronauts would not be good admins just by themselvesIsaacman built a multibillion dollar business from scratch as a kid and a military contractor later (Draken International)
>>16822899he kind of did that already by calling him a monkey
>>16822899>not realizing this could upset Trump indirectly by implying his choice of Duffy as either NASA admin or DOT is reflective of Trumps low IQ (or at least thats how Trump might interpret it)oh man, its over he never learns
>>16822901so you're saying he... administrated something?
I’m an empath and can sense that Musk took this duffy thing very personally!
>>16822900its about understanding how to run an organizationIsaacman had an aerospace military contracot business too retard
>>16822899I still can't believe how petty and childish US politicians are for not making Jared NASA admin
>>16822907Well Elon gave his haters in the Trump admin a big openingbut yeah politics is petty and childish
>>16822893To what end
>>16822903If trump tweets something like “I love our Secretary of Transportation! Duffy is doing a great job!” then we know it’s officially over for E
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980659657866879330
>>16822910the dread I can feel it already
>>16822907On one hand I do respect Elon for not wanting to bend to any system and always be steadfast to his own beliefs, but sheesh you need to know when to hold em’ and know when to fold em’
We are in the midst of yet another Melty rn. At least this time Elon is right… for now
>>16822914>and always be steadfast to his own beliefsand where did that lead him, to a feud with the President and ouster of Jared as nominee, installing of Duffy and Duffy getting courted by the anti-SpaceX oldspace lobbyjust fucking wonderful
only reason I haven't completely given up hope yet is there is a possibility that Trump knows Isaacman is more popular across the board with MAGA and would give him a huge win for his MAGA base to select him again, but this may be just cope, or maybe he wants to have 2 billionaires in his favor so might choose that over Duffy who is just interested in his own power grab idk
>>16822871What if the guy who made the accusation was a trillionaire who could make you president of the United States or give you a literal space colony or build an orbital missile defense system?For me, that would make a pretty big difference. Most people are willing to take a whole lot of shit just to work at a 9-5 that doesn't feel like Hell every day...
>>16822916it lead him here, going against the grain even if everyone around him said he was wrongmight not work in politics as well as it seems to have in business
>>16822922>might not work in politics as well as it seems to have in businessyeah no kidding
>>16822920>Most people are willing to take a whole lot of shitMost people are cowards without solid moral foundations or principles of any kind.
>>16822906If you wanted an org managing experience, it seems to me you'd pick an associate administrator, who will likely be more experienced at managing a government agency and navigating government bureaucracy.It is a good point that maintaining a fleet of jets is a good qualification. I don't disagree that Isaacman has qualifications, but ultimately it doesn't matter. His conflicts of interest are 100% disqualifying. A candidate could be infinitely qualified, but that is still no good if he has conflicts of interest. You could hire the best marksman in the world, but that does you no good if he's likely to deliberately miss the target.
>>16822925NASA needs to be reorganized, some random ass associate admin will obviously not do that
>>16822914I think it's less that Elon doesn't know how to play the game and more than he thinks there shouldn't be a game at all, that's the problem with politics. Everyone's working for ulterior motives with no actual regard for the betterment of a state, which is the entire point of politics. Politicians are in a fantasy world and act like petty teenagers
>>16822912rude
Bros do you believe in the AGI hype? Is AGI only 5 years away?
>>16822929Yeah apparently he was hella blackpilled because both D and Rs who said they supported DOGE ended up telling him he needs to be quiet after he found entrenched scams that needed to be cut. I think that’s when he realized Washington wasn’t worth it and that what works in the business world doesn’t fly in the swamp, it instead slithers
>>16822873amazing trench
>>16822883pls respond
>>16822928>NASA needs to be reorganizedI agree, but a guy who is a major business partner of a major NASA contractor is not the right guy to put in charge of doing it. He might be the best reorganizer in the world, but that is not a good thing if he is reorganizing with a contractor's interest in mind.>some random ass associate admin will obviously not do thatI think it depends. An insider might be complacent, used to the status quo, and too ingrained in the current system to change it. But it could also be that an insider is intimately familiar with the dysfunction at NASA, and knows how to fix it if given a political mandate to do so
>>16822865Maybe he wants out of HLS.
>>16822940his rabid posting about it yesterday suggests otherwise
>>16822936dare you to post this on their thread
>>16822936booty not large enough. (not fat tho)
>>16822944He's pissed because Duffy won't give all the OTHER contracts to SpaceX, that's the real reason. HLS contract has already paid out most of the money and SpaceX are still nowhere near completing the contract so it's a money sink for no gain. He is mad at Duffy for not being his yesman like Isaacman, and it kills two birds withone stone because he has an excuse to not complete lunar starship if Duffy retaliates by giving HLS fully to BO.
>>16822939an insider would not get up to associate admin if they weren't fully on board with the stagnationthe usual political appointees are biased by default pretty much, this would be a departure from that for oncean actual competent administrator that gave a shit about space (he has shown this by going to space and trying to advance the tech)how could Jared even re-organize it in a way that would be purely in SpaceXs interest? no cost plus contracts, actual competition etc
>>16822945kek
>>16822955you're retardedare you the dude that works for NASA? scared for your job?
even the people who hate billionaires, trump, elon, the right, and duffy know that isaacman would be a better choice than duffy
>>16822960Take your meds loser.
https://x.com/ThePrimalDino/status/1980338782001066370
>>16822936Which AI is this?
>>16822955Interesting take I'll give you that
>>16822964lmao faggot
>>16822966Unironically true, yet people here seethe when the playing field is actually level and not tilted for SpaceX
Barron Trump should be the administrator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5e_4gL33IA
>>16822966This kid is such a faggot it’s unreal
>>16822966>pick whoever is ready firstOldspace probably wouldn't be ready at all, let alone before SpaceX
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_30snxwJUPY
>>16822970I don't think Isaacman would level the playing field and be as pro-SpaceX as people assume, and I'd rather him in charge than Duffy whose just interested in using NASA for his own political ambitions and would just go ahead and do what the cost+ lobby would demand cause he doesn't know or care any better
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1980668686248866207
>>16822978Elon has zero political power. His spergout might make this happening more likely
Okay so it’s looking increasingly likely that the recent Mars “life” discovery was probably just as ambiguous as the Viking “biosignature,” and that Duffy just wanted to do the PR press conference and be “that guy” who announced it?Theatre kid occupied government
>>16822976If costplus oldpsacers would get Artemis kicked off sooner before Starship HLS was readyto be the sustainer then what tf is wrong with that?
>>16822980>Elon has zero political powerNot necessarily. He’ll campaign to get infinite H1Bs that’s for sure
>>16822981yeah
>>16822982>If costplus oldpsacers would get Artemis kicked off soonerwho do you think is in charge of SLS you retard
>>16822982>would get Artemis kicked off sooner before Starship HLS was readyits very unlikely but its frustrating to not know that because that would be kinda ideal, would suck for SpaceX not being the first to return but if it means we still return before China ever sets foot on the moon it would be better for America as a wholeStill just don't know whether that would happen, also am 100% against the idea of moving NASA into the DOT cause that would just slowly kill NASA and its prestige and preeminence in space so I'm anti-Duffy no matter what
>>16822956>an insider would not get up to associate admin if they weren't fully on board with the stagnationIt's not up to them to design the system. They have to accept the system or leave it. But they can change the system if given a political mandate to do so.>how could Jared even re-organize it in a way that would be purely in SpaceXs interestWell, just to take an example, by changing procedures and putting people in charge who will sabotage or not undertake programs to support weaker space companies, who could undermine SpaceX's quasi-monopoly in the long term if given the state support necessary to develop.Isaacman could also try to block programs to develop additional manned moon lander. Indeed, it seems there is a big fight brewing over this very issue. Musk likely doesn't want the risk that anyone might steal his moon thunder, nor does he likely want to be pressured to expedite HLS development by any more than is optimal for his own purposes.
>>16822981>Theatre kid occupied governmentREALI don't think Isaacman at least would be playing these games, but who knows since he has talked fondly about getting into politics before too. Man.
>>16822983>He’ll campaign to get infinite H1Bs that’s for sureHe also has no power to do that.In fact Trump made it significantly harder
>>16822980I guess he currently feels powerless and soon to be humilated by Blue Origin or old space, and by insulting Duffy it makes him feels like he is taking back control.
>>16822907>I still can't believe how petty and childish US politicians are for not making Jared NASA adminIt was literally just two guys, so you're making a shit example.>>16822914>On one hand I do respect Elon for not wanting to bend to any systemHe literally called Trump a pedo and then turned around and backed him again lolAlso, he went on the humiliation tour.
>>16822987>Musk likely doesn't want the risk that anyone might steal his moon thunder, nor does he likely want to be pressured to expedite HLS development by any more than is optimal for his own purposes.So Musk would risk to let China possibly land first and claim the glory of the first 21st century Moon Landing just so he wouldn't be beaten by Blue Origin or whoever else to be the first American company to do itThat's also extremely petty and undesirable desu, no wonder he's talking about moon bases and reposting Truthful who said that
SpaceX really does not rely on those 3 billion of HLS contract.None of this matters. Just a bummer about the good parts of NASA
Its simple. We ask both candidates what the difference is between a meteoroid and an asteroid.Who ever answers correctly gets to be in charge of NASA.
>>16822990Duffy did insult him and spacex. NASA never talks shit about starliner or SLS. And the other two HLS bids were dogshit (I cannot stress this enough). Then duffy has the gall to “call them out”… bush league move. It’s within musk’s right to hold his own and call duffy a monkey
>>16822989>In fact Trump made it significantly harderfell for it again award
>>16822972He actually went to Washington to independently lobby congressmen on behalf of SLS, and walked away believing that he was somehow essential in getting congress to spent money on a pork-distribution project that they designed. Willis is a unique blend of autistic and arrogant.
What do people expect Isaacman to be able to do in three years while having to wrangle Trump and Congress?
>>16822990>soon to be humilated by Blue Origin or old spacedelusional. if you think their mk1 botch job is happening any time soon.what they're gonna put a new shepard capsule on top? LMAOOO
>>16823002damn thats hilarious
>>16822995>risk to let China possibly land first and claim the glory of the first 21st century Moon Landing>the glorythe public doesn't care about space
>>16822976NASA should absolutely not level the playing field. In a level playing field, the 500-lb gorilla entrenched incumbent that is SpaceX would massacre everyone else. Not even Bezos has enough money to fully bridge the gap. NASA should help nurture promising SpaceX competitors until they are ready to challenge SpaceX in a level playing field.
>>16823007They will
>>16822883Plus the removal of the booster heatshield
>>16823000cope. trump didn't listen to what elon wanted when he was still in good standing.now it's completely over for him politically
>>16822995musk literally does not care about petty first moon landing games, he wants a base on the moon and city on mars
>>16823004fire the retards, actually speak the truth without fearing congress due to not caring about his political career
>>16823004I’d take Isaacman being hamstrung by politicians versus Duffy actively serving those stupid politician’s interests. Do you really want a guy who wants to dish out $50 billion cost+ contracts for more alabama river rocks? Or a guy who will at least set up architecture for a serious manned mars landing
>>16823012>he wants a base on the moonHe doesn't, he's just saying it's better than the race meme
>>16823012well the US cares about returning American boots to the moon before China does and claims all the glory for the first 21st century moon landing, Musk and SpaceX can come later to make it sustainable and set up the base but we need to be first (again)
>>16822905Yesterday I posted here that Musk doesn't even care about the whole moon thing. He's just showing me that he lurks here and does in fact care. Elon, if you lurk here, post some weird shit on X within this hour as a sign
>>16823004not fuck everything up as much
>>16823017why don't you think he wants that? this isn't the first time he has talked about thatit might not be his priority, but he wants it
>>16823018okay so time to compete the SLS and Orion portions of the missions as well then?just change it to who lands people on the moon first, completely detail agnosticor do you not care about landing on the moon first anymore?
>>16823021>why don't you think he wants that?Because he's said he doesn't give a shit about the Moon and dislikes the contract. They only bid for it because they weren't as flush with revenue as they are now.
>>16822995Uh, yes? I think Musk would strongly prefer that China/CASC be first (back) to the moon rather than any of Musk's domestic competitors, especially Bezos.>That's also extremely pettyThere's nothing petty about it. There's a lot of prestige associated with being the one who enables the next manned American moon landing, which has immense commercial and political value. Musk has cars to sell and political designs to enact.
>>16823018>well the US cares about returning American boots to the moon before Chinawell too bad because that was not what artemis was originally designed for. now they found out that china is also going to the moon, they are trying to gut the whole artemis program. once they have landed on the moon, they will cancel the whole program like apollo. it's very naive to think they care about making it sustainable later.
>>16823024source please
>>16823011The fact that Isaacman is once again in the running for NASA admin shows that it's not "completely over" for Musk politically
>>16823029Nigga where have you been the last 5 years?? This is common knowledge
>>16823028>well too bad because that was not what artemis was originally designed forArtemis wasn't designed to return American boots to the moon?
I wish Russia didn't shit the bed post-USSR. Would be interesting to see where they might be in space at this point.
>>16823024>They only bid for it because they weren't as flush with revenue as they are now.TRVKE
>>16822917I would bet that 95% of the MAGA base don't even know who Isaacman is
>>16822917>Isaacman is more popular across the board with MAGAlmao what
>>16823034Probably still in LEO regardless
>>16823024SpaceX is working hard on it anyway.HLS elevator, thrusters, crew cabin, life support are all deep in development.The long pole remains the launch, reuse and refilling which is literally their immediate goal with Starship.People don't understand that is the critical path
>>16823032no, its something you pulled out of your ass (and people have assumed)assuming is not fact
>>16823010I know this is wildy off because it doesn't take into account that raptor 3 doesn't need the heat shielding raptor 2 does. That saves a ton of weight.
>>16823028>well too bad because that was not what artemis was originally designed for.Yes it was
>>16823031The good thing is Starship will win.So at some point it'll just be hard to ignore no matter how much they try to play political games.
>>16823045Nope it wasn't. You're retarded.Artemis was all about sustainable presence on the moon, not saying the plan was any good but that was the goal
>>16823045No, it wasn’t
What if the HLS elevator jams?
>>16822584>10T without refuelingDoubt it's that much but that is one of the things many conveniently ignore.You can just refuel less and bring less payload as 100 tons is totally unnecessary for Artemis 3
>>16823033that's not what i said retard, you should become a journalist if you to remove words from quotes
>>16823049rope
https://x.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1980644353162059776
>>16823050>You can just refuel lessuh boil-off?
>>16823052lel
>>16823049Rappel down on ropes with carabiners>>16823051Suck my balls, fagboy
>>16823054this guy is a bitch and posts like a bitch
If only Israel wanted the Moon, we'd be there already.
>>16823055cryocoolers nigga
>Starship/SH v3 supposedly has ~15% more thrust at launch compared to v2I can't wait to see how fast this thing climbs off of the launch mount; the current version is too damn slow.
>>16823060Or if a billionaire fronted a lunar surface hotel with a very minimum age of consent. It would be a prestigious refuge for the rich
>>16823062V3's first flight will have it explode before leaving the pad btw
>>16823062They throttle the current one down until it's clear of the pad to minimize damage.
>>16823067I remember being so, so nervous during the first full stack launch. I thought it was gonna nuke the entire launch pad a few seconds after liftoff
>>16823054>so contrarian he's pro-MIC
I found this on an alcohol review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3r3m2a7hTI
>>16823010less wrong answer from not so retarded ai
>>16823074What ever happened to that ethalox keg-rocket that some guy was building?
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1980670955723846040is this the first non-SpaceX satellite/spacecraft with the laser link? I remember SpaceX starting to sell it a while ago
>>16823072Not even contrarian, being pro-MIC is just common reddit stance these days.
>>16823078What why
>>16823080I will give you a hintFeb 2022
>>16823080They love The Machine.
>>16822843uh oh another musk meltybut if this leads to a private moonship mission then i'm all for it
>>16822970>when the playing field is actually level and not tilted for SpaceXStarliner says hi.
>>16823077i read about some organizations trying earlier but i dont recall them having much success
>>16822970it has never been tilted for SpaceXnever
>>16823085>Washington learns about Elon's competitive autism>stoke him into beating China for America without disrupting the legacy contractors at all>everyone is happy
>>16823087integrating with the starlink mesh or their own separate thing?
When did you realize elon is cringe?
>>16823092their own afaik
>>16823093sherlock tier
>>16823075>mass saving of about 1.155 t per engine (1,630 kg -> 1,525 kgIs this like a cubic ton or something?
>>16823093https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVqJMkZrdJk
>>16823093I don't get it. I do see the world like that.
>>16823093Reddit hates musk, does he mean a different website?
>>16823093
>>16823093what? that is how we see the world. artfags see design, stemfags see engineering.
>>16823111is that her tattoos?
>>16823111She's acute
>>16823091>pionner
>>16823055>>16823061Non-issue pretty muchCentaur V can stay in orbit for months with hydrolox and doesn't even use any active cooling.Starship depots won't need cryocoolers either, the more prop you have the easier it gets.
>>16822876>>16822867That was after Isaacmen was pulled because Gor wanted to get back at Elon. I think Vance is trying to stay on good terms because he sees Musk as a slush fund for his 2028 run. Elon will still have his billions after Trump leaves office
>>16823122>the more prop you have the easier it gets.how so?Like say they start fueling a depot 6 months before Artemis HLS demo launches, will it still have enough in it to fully fuel the HLS for the mission? Cause I think I'm starting to understand they can keep the depots full of fuel long before the fuel is needed for the mission so the HLS ship would just dock to the tanker after liftoff (tanker was fully fueled months beforehand) and then TLI to moon right?
>>16823123>I think Vance is trying to stay on good terms because he sees Musk as a slush fund for his 2028 runWell too bad Vance is distracted with Isreal trip now and Trump is making his final pick this week
>>16823124>how so?This nigga doesn't know about the square cube law.>depots full of fuel long before the fuel is needed for the mission so the HLS ship would just dock to the tanker after liftoff (tanker was fully fueled months beforehand) and then TLI to moon right?Yeah that's the point of the depot instead of directly tanking HLS
>>16822966I wonder if this guy is fine with SLS and Orion getting competed as well
>>16823128well SpaceX haven't made a good deal of showing that I think lots of people think and assume the depot needs to be filled shortly before a launch and any delay will cause more boil-off and then require more topping off etc
>>16823124>how so?more volume? duh?
why would you need a depot when you justdo all your launches in a months time, take your 5% loss to boiloff or w/e the number would beAnd be done with it?
>>16823132It's self evident
>>16823123Vance is the gay astroturfed Peter Thiel experiment, no shit elon is going to support that little project in 2028. This much is obvious
>>16823133whose gonna build the depot?
>>16823132Logistically way better. You can fill up depots asynchronously whenever you want so it massively simplifies the HLS campaign.And also depot has bigger tanks also HLS has less boiloff prevention.
>>16823137are you retarded? its a version of starship
>>16823140>>16823138whose gonna pay for this? is it part of the program with a budget?
>>16823143Bait used to be believable
>>16823143mexico
who is going to get blamed if Orion fries 4 people during earth re-entry?
>>16823159spacex
>>16823162how
https://x.com/FelixSchlang/status/1980643162935943251https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYlMQa-FOnswhy couldn't black csi man collaborate with someone else, I find this guy annoying
>>16823167
which version will make it to orbit?V6?
>>16823170>11 shipsAny chance that at least one of them is a tanker?
>>16823171Is this a solid fuel booster at the right inside the booster?
>>16823177yes
>>16823176sure I guess
Is it just me or are there more and more FEthers and Moonhoaxers?
>>16823174V3 flight 2>>16823186It's bots
>>16823186They're not real people, that shit glows like a sun.
>>16823189>>16823195You can keep using this cope but genuine retardation and delusion is becoming more and more commonplace.
>>16823167WTF
https://youtu.be/WP6_HQryEZI
>>16822967grok, of course, sir
>>16822950From yesterday's thread
The Trump administration is considering cancelling the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
>>16823206(expand)
https://x.com/SecDuffyNASA/status/1980713354051350815
social media has to go, simple asjust look at mr Musk
what shithole will duffy become the ambassador of?
>>16823211Pathetic desu. SpaceX has not done any work on ZBO tech.
>>16823214its easy for methaloxoff the shelf solutions exist
>>16823209ah yes, lets just trust some russian psyop
goddammit, that fucking bike girl showed up in my dreams last night wtf. I think I have to go touch some grass.
>>16823214they aren't using hydrogen so they really don't need to
>>16823081NTA, but I don't know what happened on that day.
>>16823218you mean eat some ass
>>16823218@grok booty bike lady riding by and laughing at anon for wetting his bed
>>16823214Your idea of what problems they should focus on while Starship hasn't gone to orbit nor rtlsed nor been refueled is pathetic.
These are some very European-looking Europeans
https://youtu.be/v9kCWomrUkMHoly kinoI hope KSA is not just a spaceflight simulator but also a colony simulator and more
>>16823226This company is a joke. They're doing a falcon clone at 1/10 the size and launching from Scotland.
>16823226go back
>>16823226This company is based they are low cost rockets pilled.Like a german Astra almost
it would be so funny if Landspace lands their booster before New Glenn
>>16823237space will always be a white endeavouryou fuck off back to where you came from and keep jerking off in your fantasy land
>>16823239They should land it on BO's droneship
latest hitpiecehttps://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/10/cards-against-humanity-gets-settlement-from-spacex-plans-pack-of-elon-musk-cards/
>>16823243 landing a rocket on jeff's mother
>>16823250>Cards against humanityReddit, the game
>>16823218wtf?!? why hasn't this bitch shown up in my dreams?
>>16823250Political griftin
>>16823250
>>16823250If you don't think space is the coolest thing ever you're not human
>>16823265you gotta pay for Neuralink Plaid Mode
>>16823196fuck you
>>16823250They got nothing and are milking their doners.
>>16823272God, even their way of speaking is peak Reddit.
>>16823272>"we sued for damages and lost because we didnt have a case">"elon is meanie poopy head!"
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/elon-musk-just-declared-war-on-nasas-acting-administrator-apparently/>There seem to be two clear reasons why Duffy did this. One, he wanted to show President Trump he was committed to reaching the Moon again before China gets there. And secondly, with his public remarks, Duffy sought to demonstrate to the rest of the space community that he was willing to stand up to SpaceX.>How do we know this? Because Duffy and Meachum had just spent the weekend calling around to SpaceX’s competitors in the industry, asking for their support in his quest to remain at NASA. For example, he called Blue Origin’s leadership and expressed support for their plans to accelerate a lunar landing program. Then he went on TV to demonstrate in public what he was saying in private.
>>16823280read the comments to the article, it just gets worse and worse
>>16823272I fucking hate activists like this. All they do is complain about shit. They don't care about solutions they just want to complain because playing pretend resistance makes them feel special. Vast majority of them are deeply unserious people. you dont see them protesting actually important shit like the giant fucking chemical companies that are literally poisoning the entire earth with forever chemicals.
>>16823287
>>16823217It's over...https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980724445410189477
>>16823287These stupid niggers at NASA never boasted about “showing off” to the real issues, such as the parasitic old guard taking advantage of cost-plus contracts. They get one (1) good partner who actually delivers products and they go on the offensive against them?Musk was right, fuck em. Should have left butch and suni on the station until the “good ol boys” could go and unfuck the bed that they made
https://x.com/FutureJurvetson/status/1980666449787318565
>>16823296
Bye bye. Earth soon will be no more. Russian citizens can get a ticket to colonize other universe in our nuclear ship
At this point Elon should pull out of HLS entirely, but go ahead and send private astronauts to the Moon anyways
>>16823297
It's like watching the decline of Rome
>>16823234>colony simulatornon janky, simple colonisation and travelling to other solar systems was the only things I wanted from KSP2. I hope to god KSA does them eventually.
>>16823295if you look at it from the POV of the old space contractors and just trying to extract as money as possible for little effort as possible, then attacking the disruptor that starts rocking the boat makes complete senseDuffy is clearly more or less in their pocket now at least according to the berger articlebasically he is trying to get their support to keep the NASA admin job and in exchange he is willing to get them as much pork as possibleDuffy doesn't give a fuck about space nor do the old space contractors, nor does Trump
>>16823293Phew, at least I can rest easy knowing Donald John Trump will make a well-informed, smart decision here!
>>16823296>>16823297why would boeing care about shartliner when they probably have reverse engineered triangles in a hanger somewhere in the desert
>>16823299breaching the contract would be a bad look regardless how much fuckery is going on
>>16823307Pulling out of the contract, it’s what Collins did with their lunar suit
>>16823299He's got an infinite-money printing machine called Starlink, why does he even bother with this contracts. When NASA astronauts finally land on the Moon somewhere in the 40s or 50s, they can park their tiny cuckpod in SpaceX's private garage, and stay at Musk's lunar resort hotel in the meantime.
>>16822070If you are referring to the delta v savings: Cheaper to launch from the mainland w/ more fuel then to ship rockets internationally. Same reason we don't launch from mountaintops.If you are referring to the inclination: French Guiana has filled the niche for payloads that 100% have to launch from the equator. There isn't enough demand ATM to warrant a second equatorial launch site.
>>16823309And before anyone replies, I know, I know, he does it out of principle, because he hates seeing money/resources being wasted, and also because he is infatuated with NASA. That's dragging him down imo.
>>16823308bad look
>>16822803How do you get a cleanroom approved scissor lift?Are there companies that specialize in converting hardware into "clean" hardware?>>16823238Brewery tanks on the first stage. Very German.
>>16823309>>16823311NASA helps with red tape, they have some facilities that SpaceX uses, they helped SpaceX when it wasn't self-sufficient yethow would SpaceX actually land on mars if NASA wasn't on-board okaying it? would that even be possible? maybe in the future
>>16823308NTA, but nobody gives two shits about Collins pulling out, hell, no one even knows who they are or if they had a contract in the first place. But SpaceX is another matter, it would be blasted all over the news lmao
>>16823316>how would SpaceX actually land on mars if NASA wasn't on-board okaying it?how would nasa stop them, get the ula sniper to shoot starship?
>>16823306The recovered crafts are basically inscrutable and have been for 70+ years, nobody's reverse engineering that shit for another few decades MINIMUM. The best they've got is a general theory on propulsion, with no real clue how to replicate it.
>>16823321>t. boing insider
>>16823321>>16823306>there are people here who seriously believe this shit
>>16823318they would find some bullshit reason
>>16823316Okay, I get the red tape thing, and Musk doing it alone would piss many people off. However, that's something that has to be done eventually. Being the richest person ever, having a monopoly, influence, contacts, and even a 'cult following' would for sure help him. So far, things have been going his way, so why not going to the next level of not kneeling to anyone**except the US government, and for now, just wait for the Mars base to become self-sufficient.
V2 really fucked things up
SFGBROS IT'S OVER
Dismantle NASA
>>16823330Reject reusability, return to Chinese fireworks.
Nationalize SpaceX
>>16823330>>16823337Oh, wait. You were talking about Saarship's V2, and not the German ICBM being the culprit of the messy timeline we are in right now lmao
>>16823338>turn spaceX into NASA 2so you really don't want us to get to mars then
>not using SLS core stage as wet workshop in orbitall our deep space programs would be resolved if the SLS core stage is used as a wet workshop in orbit
>>16823346gb2r
>>16823328need to get the ball rolling first, maybe have a token NASA research presence on mars etc before he can start spamming lots of stuff there and then start ignoring NASA more and more when the moon and mars get more commercialized
starlink is going to become synonymous with internet for anything flying through space
>>16823332We are SO back!
>>16823338If US gov wants to give Elon Musk $2T for his SpaceX company, sure.SpaceX is worth ~$400B nominally but that number can easily reach 1T with Starship coming online for Starlink launches in the next 5-10 years. So US Gov would need to give Musk $1T blank check.
>>16822844Don't underestimate them
>>16823371Why does Mueller's head look so big btw? is he like 5 foot 6?
>>16822844How is that supposed to make him look bad
>>16822924Okay, but do you have a job, Mr Hero? Mowing the lawn doesn't count
>>16822844A Lumberjack you say?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfRdur8GLBM
>>16823385I work at JPL.
>>16823386I remember the newgrounds video of this I think it was kirby
>>16822917>>16823038>>16823039Ok geniuses this new one just came to my mind->Trump nominates Isaacman, now he can use the unspoken threat of firing him to keep Elon in line and prevent him challenging him again like he threatened to in MayTrump surely has gotta be taking that potential into account
>>16823332>We should fix Earth's problems fi- wait what? That Elon guy is shutting down NASA? We have to stop him now!
>>16823122>Boil off 2% per day>Runs on batteries>Stay in orbit for months
>>16823378More of a question of his credentials, you can be a world champ at X but that doesn't mean you will be good at Y.
>>16823399what are you even saying faggot
>>16822995>the glory of the first 21st century Moon Landing
>>16823399no, it runs on solar power
>>16823250they couldn't get one of the space guys to touch it, so they put one of their no-name slop artists on itwhen even journalists are turning their nose up at something it has to be a special kind of shit
Flag on moonvsMoon baseChina won
https://x.com/BigTechAlert/status/1980740819909849137
all this talk of competition is so disingenuous an gayit's like saying that lego competes with union pacific because they both have trains
https://archive.org/details/orion-heat-shield-25-00472-f-jsc-final-determination-package/mode/2uplol
reduced boiloff is another advantage of subcooling
>>16823411>>16823410I've been thinking about this for a while: What if last time when Elon went to China he promised them America will focus on Mars?
>>16823406> it runs on solar powerMay we see a picture of those solar panels?
>>16823301et tu muttus
>>16823272>we sued elon muskYou sued Space Exploration Technologies Corporation.>heElon must laugh his ass off learning of supposed things he did or didn't do in articles like this.
>>16823414https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_b1392315-b2f8-4807-9938-f7e780d34e23
>>16823417nigga are you serious
>>16823417you can see it right there in the concept art
>>16823421>~90% redacted contentmuh heckin transparent chungus science agency
>>16823421>Next Steps: Emphasizes iterative testinglol lmao
>>16823332>spaceflight is now so common that taking a ride on a rocket is as pedestrian as a ride on a train or car We won
>>16823425>you can see it right there in the concept art! You can!Now, which part has solar panel attached. The stage part or the depot part?
>>16822932Yes, same with cold fusion and the cure for cancer
>>16823443>cold fusionthey rebranded anon, it's LENR now
>>16823411Add it to the list of Elon's melties
>>16823211>Starship will end up doing the whole Moon missionIt won't be doing crew to/from LEO, F9/Dragon will. DEBOONKED.
>>16823416This may be true.
>>16823449they can feasibly do this the question is how do the return to Leo from the moon without refueling on the moon
>past 3 NASA admin>NOOO YOU CANT WORK ON STARSHIP YOU NEED TO FOCUS ON CREW DRAGON>NOOO YOU CANT WORK ON STARSHIP BLUE ORIGIN LAWSUIT TAKES PRIORITY >NOOO YOU CANT WORK ON STARSHIP BECAUSE YOU'RE UHH SLOW
I thought we all hated old space here? What's the problem if NASA is gone?
>>16823458NASA is the best use of your tax dollars.
>>16823293Duff doesn't have the power to merge NASA into DoT on his own, and the Senate is frozen right now because the Dumbocrats decided to force a shutdown on a neutral continuation bill.Trump doesn't have to do anything but smile smugly.
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980772691989926211
>>16823453You can do it with aerobraking / direct entry.You have enough delta-v if you don't need to go to NRHO twice for no reason
>>16823463starship cant do aerobraking from the moon with people on board and dragon isn't rated for lunar return. they would have to get from the lunar surface back to leo otherwise it won't work
>>16823453send a depot/tanker ship after it to LLOezpz
why do so many people that are to the blue political side love sls?am i wrong or isnt sls to the primary benefit of boeing, and beating chinese, making the landing deadline is the primary benefit of glory to trump.even if you hate musky surely trumpy is worse so how does this all square
>>16823466Probably easiest to uprate Dragon
>>16823474they wont
>>16823470Because leftists hate Musk for being rich
>>16823466Why can't it?A few tons less payload to put tiles on HLS, and you should be fine, shouldn't you?
>>16823475You can also dock with a heat shielded Starship in a higher orbit and then aerobrake and reenter.
>>16823477Can't have a heat shield with the landing thrusters.But you can probably do a decent amount of aerobraking with the bare steel ship.This >>16823467 is the realistic option though.
>>16823461I think Trump is enjoying this. He likes to see underlings compete for his favor.
which one would YOU fold NASA into? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_agencies_in_the_United_States
>>16823486National Zoological Policeor Office of the U.S. Special Coordinator for Tibetan Issues
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1980779807781654954
>>16823481>Can't have a heat shield with the landing thrusters.That sounds like a solvable problem. Just put a movable fairing with tiles on the luv thrusters (why the fuck is there no antonym of lee in English?).
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1980770951848464794https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHatVYmDdnQ>A rare joint session from Tesla’s Chief Designer and SpaceX’s VP of Launch Ops on the shared values powering both companies: world-class teams, first-principles thinking, and relentless iteration. Franz breaks down Cybertruck’s exoskeleton (function form) and the path to autonomy with FSD and Optimus; Kiko shows how Starship’s full reusability—including “Mechazilla” tower catches—unlocks aircraft-like ops and supercharges Starlink’s global connectivity. A candid look at learning from failure, moving fast, and building an abundant future on Earth—and beyond.
>>16823486Newly formed Department of the Exterior
>>16823490English is six languages in a trench coat
>>16823490Just say "windward"There's "Luff" but that's more used to refer to the edge of the sail that is exposed to the wind rather than the windward side more generally
https://x.com/nvidia/status/1980757719809138854lol even NVIDIA is starting to post about this
Remember the hype everyone here had after Trump won the election?LOLLLLLLLLLL
>>16823501
>>16823504
>>16823502not me.
>>16823501How the fuck are they planning on shedding that much heat?>>16823499I guess luff works close enough. Can we please adopt it for reentering vessels?
>>16823501https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/starcloud/
>>16823501What exactly does space have for data centers that earth doesn't?
>>16823462lmfao
>>16823501Okay now THAT’S a space plane
>>16823504Niggas be like>erm this is ridiculous, obviously too many panels!but then support a tesla solar-only mars architecture
>>16823518You can't live on another planet on earth, it doesn't even make grammatical sense.
>>16823511Cheap real estate and free power
>>16823511Sunlight?half the ping?And they probably fell for the "Space is cold" meme because this idea comes from business majors that have no idea how heat transfer works.
>>16823511Solar energy aka passive nuclear energy.
>>16823522>>16823524But earth has cheap real estate and sunlight
>>16823529Yes. It's retarded. That was the point I was trying to make.
>>16823501if they were smart they would make it a constellation so you dont have a single point of failure
>>16823529People are starting to notice their power rates going up due to the high demand data centers are creating.
>>16823535Need 200 of these for 1TWh of computer that Musk mentioned as the long term goal
>>16823511Consistent power and regulatory environments.
>>16823537yeah no one is gonna do that. best you can do is service in space assets with a distributed compute constellation of small single sever sats
>>16823529Space doesn't try to create problems with the township or the utility company.
>>16822567suggest something
>>16823542nta but if it aint pre 70s scifi its not worth watchin'
>>16823529>sunlightOnly in the daytime
>>16823546Great taste, 'non.
>>16823560I wish they'd made a parody version with old Leslie Nielsen. The Mysterious Planet or something
>>16823566By the time those parody movies were in vogue, Forbidden Planet was already forgotten outside of sci-fi nerd and film nerd circles.
>>16823501>>16823535>if they were smart they would make it a constellation so you dont have a single point of failureIf they were smart they wouldn't put the off switch for the AI in LEO
>>16823449I give it a non zero chance that it's private astronauts and not nasa astronauts that get to do the moon mission if the garbage fire never goes out
https://youtu.be/55QHwLkPlik
>>16823508Radiating heat isn't hard tho, especially at higher temps because its radiating at T^4 from memory.
>>16823548With a high enough altitude and inclination you can have sun all day... for most of the year.Look at what happens with Oscar 7.
>>16823615Yeah but you can't run GPUs much hotter than 100C
>>16823622The side facing away from the sun is very cold. Anything you can use to maintain a temperature differential where you need it works to your advantage for this purpose.
What’s wrong with a mega-sunshade against the backdrop of your core units, and some radiators
Was Gor sent to India because of the Musk kerfuffle
>>16823627Yes most likely. Trump had been meeting with Isaacman and then suddenly Gor is exiled to Uttar Pradesh and replaced by Dan Boingino
>>16823624Earthshine makes this a pain in the ass from LEO unless you use a sun-synchronous orbit
>>16823631You can get a decent boost in cooling efficiency by using a gas and compressing it before it goes into the radiators.Then expanding it out again on return such that it stays within the limits of the silicon.
>>16823632added complexity
>wake up>it has gotten worseknower hereyou will NOT like the next lot of news
imagine if we let NASA actually make profit from its patents we could be in the FMA universe right now....
>>16823630This implies Trump cares greatly about this.Interested to see what he thinks of the Duffy situation.But don't think Duffy is stupid enough to do this if he doesn't know for sure Trump will approve.
>>16823637full metal alchemist
>>16823638Trump may choose to incorporate NASA into the DoT while also appointing Isaacman as the NASA boss
>>16823643>incorporate NASA into the DoTWhy? Where did this idea even come from?
>>16823638From Duffy's point of view he's not taking a major risk. He's not attacking anyone the way he sees it rather just stating an expanded HLS position.
>>16823644Puts NASA on a clear footing as an exploration organization rather than fucking around in LEO looking back at the Earth
>>16823647But exploration is not transportation?
>>16823644Greed, this would mean that the Secretary of Transportation gets the theatrics of being the “leader” of NASA while reducing it down to a bureau that just buys seats from customers. Duffy wants to remain sec of transportation but knows that upcoming artemis shit is too precious to let go of. He could use it as prime time to advance his political career by always being in front of the camera for artemis 2, artemis 3 landing, that’s why he was quick to cover PR for that mars discovery. He wants face time and you get more of that as interim nasa admin than just the secretary of transportation
>>16823648Can't explore without transporting men or machines.Squinting through a telescope is not exploration.
>>16823646Isn't it risky to permanently alienate Musk if he wants to run for president? That's probably the biggest donor atm, runs twitter, and his tweets get a lot of exposure among repcels because of his massive following.
>>16823627Did you mute Musk because you're a little bitch
>>16823666Duffy probably thinks he's not alienating Musk. He's trying to remain courteous and is under the mistaken belief that he can have it both ways.
>>16823501its so goofy but the size aspect of it makes me feel impressed, like we're entering a new era of spaceflight
>>16823667No, I go to his profile almost daily to catch up on Spacex happenings. My timeline is full of Elon and right wing grifter posters he replies to when I unmute him. It drowns out everything else.
>>16823667xitter is only usable when you block like half the people on the site and 90% of the big posters
>>16823385Yes and I'm not telling you the froyo flavor.
>>16823710>travel 55 million km>only take blurry photosliterally me
>>16823710What a shithole
>>16823700Damn we got a live one here
>>16823287How does pissing off the richest space autist in history help his presidential ambitions exactly?
>>16823511- doesn't have to deal with the awful US power grid and utility companies- 24/7 solar power- free real estateHonestly the heat rejection is the only problem I'm skeptical of, but it makes perfect sense why the tech giants would want to move this to space. Utility companies can't keep up with substation buildout, let alone generation. Source: 15 years at an electric utility
>>16823536High demand wouldn't be an issue if utility companies weren't completely incompetent and inept. I work for a major utility that wants to get out of the energy generation business and do power purchase agreements instead. One day they'll only be managing substations and power lines, the way things are going.
>>16823767you forgot no squirrels
>>16823763Maga kinda turned on Elon a little bit last time there was a bust up.Maybe he thinks he can rely on that againHe doesn't get that Maga is loyal to Trump and not to Sean Duffy.
>>16823524Why don't they just do something like this. One side is permanently in sun (so you get power) and the opposite is permanently in shade, so you can output as much heat as you want.
>DUDE SPACE DATACENTERS MY FELLOW REDDITORSliterally talk about anything else
>>16823730Leave.
>DUDE SPACE MANUFACTURING MY FELLOW REDDITORSliterally talk about anything else
The heat dissipation is a problem in the sense of needing to take a shitload of radiator with you, from an engineering sense it's easy enough. From a "is this actually going to profitable" point it's probably a significant factor>>16823821Space pupperinos it is
>DUDE SPACE COLONIZATION MY FELLOW REDDITORSliterally talk about anything else
>>16823821According to a reality tv co-star, Trump Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy’s nickname is “ass rocket.”
i only support data centers that have a permanent manned presence to maintain them
why do people have an aversion to data centers, but are fine with communication satellites? seems arbitrary
>>16823847i mean other than full on data centers being more difficult to implement and being perhaps bigger, but this seems to go beyond thatif it actually works out economically its yet another big stack of stuff that needs to be launched to orbit continously like starlink and starlink-like systemswhich means there will be a good baseline launch demand, which will mean launch should be cheaper, which will make launching everything else cheaper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Yu3jA-fT1c>Version 2 Is Gone — Starship V3 Begins NOW | Starbase Update
>>16823767The competition to space data centers are data centers trucked to a sunny desert in fucking nowhere. For the price of a single $50k G200 chip you can buy +300 kWh of battery storage. Ofc without the Nvidia AI craze prices battery costs would start to dominate again, but if that bubble pops the market is going to be flooded with cheap compute for a long time why would even consider space then.
>>16823847we arent against it, but no practical designs have been shown. everything so far is handwavy investor bait.>they avoid talking about heat issues>they avoid talking about dealing with getting hit by debris>they avoid talking about collision avoidance>they avoid how they'll reduce the impact on astronomythey avoid it all, so we cant take them seriously as anything but scamming investors
>>16823847Cultural cringe. People interested in space are afraid of being seen as silly.
>>16823624Good luck having no temperature gradient over the 2km+ to get to use all the solar panels as radiators (you need to, otherwise you can't shed enough heat).>>16823817You can't passively radiate an arbitrary high amount of heat.At the temperatures you want your CPUs to be at you can at most radiate about 500W/m2. And to do that evenly you have to solve the problem I pose above in this post.With solar panels that aren't 100% efficient the whole situation gets even worse.
>>16823304>nor does TrumpTrump actually does, he really wants to be the president that congratulates the astronauts getting back to the moon. He's gonna go for the option that seems most likely to let him do that. It all hinges on whether he falls for old space tricks or not.
>>16823763he believed people at the other aerospace companiesbecause he's retarded, I guess
>>16823847>Communication satellites in orbit - 12000+>Data centers in orbit - 0No info on how maintenance will be performed for hardware failures which are inevitable or how heat loads will be managed. An obvious solution in search of a problem pitched to naive investors.
>>16823388Okay, I'll ask again next week when you're unemployed
>>16823388Not for long lmao
>>16823730>What a shithole
>>16823882>No info on how maintenance will be performed for hardware failures which are inevitableThe same way it's done for communications satellites
>>16823886
>>16823882>>16823887if it were practical then elon would've already jumped on it with xAI
>some simp loses onlyfans account due to a failed RAID controller in space>another due to a solar storm
>>16823887Radiation hardening requirements make the whole thing impractical. Of course that won't stop the retards who pog at anything with -in space tacked on to it.
>>16823890elon doesn't need funding for it so there is not point in talking about it publically
>>16823906YET HE HASNT DONE IT. CURIOUS :)
>>16823906thats true. maybe there will be an announcement in the near future.
>>16823907nigga are you brain damagedit takes time for a system to get developed, there would be no need to talk about it during the early stages so we have no way of knowing if he is in the process of doing it or nothe has certainly talked about dyson spheres, kardashev 2 and so on which ties directly into this and the inevitability building data centers in space eventually
>>16823858>He refuses to recognize all those issues have already been successfully managed by thousands of Starlinks
>>16823908I doubt itsomething like this requires starship to be functional and there are a bunch of other launch campaigns that take priority (such as starlink)if he does do it, its probably 5+ years away
>>16823910Starlinks don't need to reject heat
>>16823910starlinks are distributed, not monolithic and they require much less power than actual data center chipsso less power density and smaller size, not really comparableat some point you won't get away with small passive radiators
>>16823909YES. ELONIS FAMOUSLY VERY TIGHT LIPPED. I AGREE XISTER!!
>>16823910starlinks arent 9 square miles in size
>>16823817because the heat they need to get rid of is not what came from the sun(well technically a data center powered by solar panels sort of would be heated by the sun, but not in a way that shade would help)
Building a whole fucking civilization on Mars will consume most of Elon's attentionThere are nearly infinite sub-projects and side projects for him to micromanage and interesting new technologies to buildDon't forget that he's also building general AI, human-like robots, AI generated video games, and bi-directional computer brain interfaces at the same timeIf anyone could do all of that AND start work on the Dyson sphere, I guess it's Elon, but that seems like a lot to do
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1980968853657252112>Land Space has lifted up the fairings and completed the full rehearsal before the actual launch
>>16823920hasn't talked about the specifics of mars ISRU basically at all even though Mueller worked on it for 5 years or so before leaving SpaceXthis is a project that would not need any commercial customers, SpaceX doesn't need any initial funding for it, it isn't so far removed from things they are already doing so he doesn't need to recruit for itreally no point in talking about in specificsand yes, he has been much more tight lipped the last few years, for instance they stopped doing comprehensive and detailed talks about AI, FSD and Optimus at Tesla a few years ago due to getting copied instantly
>>16823924Kino alert
>>16823916>The electronics in a Starlink don't have to dissipate heat.Please stop posting.
>>16823853There's also underwater data centers, with a bonus of plenty of free water to dump your heat, and you can still pull them up for maintenance.Microsoft tried that and it just quietly went away.
>>16823919The datacenters in the sky are also going to be constellations. Not some ucfuge battlestar.
>>16823928>the electronics in a starlink are comparable to a data center with GPUs>reddit spacinglmao
>>16823929because the limiting factor for earth datacenters isn't heat rejectiona data center under water trades simplicity for heat rejection to complexity for everything else basically, its a bad trade
>>16823932>I'm going to keep insisting the space datacenter is going to be one giant structure -- and you can't stop me!
>>16823932>I'm also triggered by spacing!Most tards are. It's an autism thing.
Where are Starship's radiators???
>>16823924Whats the launch date?
>>16823924>land space
>>16823935>>16823936>being an obnoxious retard on purposeplease stop.
>>16823937Why would starship need radiators?
>>16823935>i'm going to ignore overhead cost of launching each gpu in it's own satellite because reddit liked the ideaokay
>>16823937Doesn’t need em yet, they don’t know where they’re gonna put them yet
>>16823944Yes, there's no possible way to run a business by launching thousands of satellites into space.
>>16823943You can only do so much with passive cooling. Depot and Mars will need some active thermal management.
>>16823938There hasn't been a specific announcement yet but sometime in November
>>16823951Nah, heat shield is more than sufficient. Point it toward the sun and go.
A man falls in to a coma in January, the last thing he remembers is seeing the headlines of Jared Isaacman overcoming some interesting odds to now be the NASA admin.He wakes up in late October, the first thing he sees is a headline about how Jared Isaacman has overcome some interesting odds and now might be the NASA admin.
>>16823924wow
>>16823929You gain nothing by putting data centers underwaterIt's gay retard shitYou can just reject heat to a river or lake and don't need to worry about all the expenses of underwater construction, maintenance, operations, etcIt's already in use
>>16823960Do you understand what "quietly went away" means?It means they ghosted the whole idea of it because it didn't work and they didn't even want to admit that they had tried it.
>>16823961Sorry, I understood your post, but not the point you were making
>>16823958LOL
>>16823817Isn't that how JWST works?
https://www.youtube.com/live/B27BQs2vA_MStarlink, T-30:00
https://x.com/ApexSpacecraft/status/1980970818948710511>Today, we unveil Project Shadow — Apex's on-orbit Space-Based Interceptor (SBI) technology demonstration, launching NET June 2026. At Apex, we often launch self-funded missions to advance our technology and demonstrate our capabilities in space. Over 1.5 years ago, we launched our first Aries satellite, which continues to serve as an on-orbit software testbed for our team and customers. Project Shadow is our next step internally funded mission (with more to come in the future).
>>16823977I prefer directed energy but I'll let this one slide
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1981002378678796426>First look of the fully integrated Zhuque-3
>>16823994they stack the fairing while it’s vertical outdoors on the pad?
>>16823977thats some expanse shit
>>16823994It's safer that way, they know the contractor would cheap out on theconcrete and the asembly building would collapse on 1000 workers.
>>16823998China loves building their rockets vertically on the pad. All of the hypergolic Long Marches do it. The LM-12 is the only Chinese liquid-fueled rocket I can think of that integrates horizontally.
>>16824008>China loves building their rockets vertically on the pad.Why?
>>16823994Since this is launching from juiquan I assume they're gonna try to land landing?
>>16823994Sovl
>>16824010The first generation of Long March rockets were all version of the DF-5 ICBM with stretched or added stages. The DF-4 was designed to be stored horizontally in tunnels drilled in the mountains, but this was considered to be a pretty shitty process because it took about two hours to wheel the missile out of the cave, crank it up to vertical, and then fuel it. The DF-5 was China's first silo-launched ICBM and it skipped ahead in the launch process to the part where the missile was already upright and fueled and could be fired on demand. Building the rocket up at the pad the way the LM-2/3/4 do is likely inherited from the process of stacking their ancestors in their silos.
Truthful is so salty bc he sees artemis as an international thing when in reality all americans see it as an american thing with canadian ride-alongs
https://x.com/AndyLapsa/status/1981004674984821105
>>16823669>Duffy probably thinks he's not alienating Musk.Duffy is explicitly pandering to SpaceX's competitors in order to obtain their lobbying power.
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1938124176780628351>another commercial launch startup just popped up from nowhere, WELIGHT. Here they bring another reusable rocket WeiGuang-1:FFSC Metholox engines (11 in 1st stage) & Carbon composite body
>>16824037When the old dinos (the shuttle workforce of china) pass away, amazing things will happen.
>>16823847Culture issue created by leftist media propaganda about how big tech is bad because they are private companies
>>16824067I've got hopes from the LM-8A and 12. The Long March 5-7 were supposed to have killed off the old generation by now, but they've either suffered from cadence issues or the economics of the first iteration of cryogenics just couldn't overcome a reliable 200t hypergolic vehicle. If the ZQ-3 works the way Landspace is hoping it will we're going to see a lot of shit start happening very quickly. My one worry is that Beijing isn't going to be willing to hand over 95%+ of China's space program to a semi-independent company the way Washington was with Falcon 9. The Zhuque-3 working would give LS a huge amount of economic and political power and the CCP hates the idea of having to share either of those.
>>16824064https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1938125961385677033>HuaGuang-1 FFSC metholox engine>521kN (V) 420kN (S) thrust>376s (V) 323s (S) ISP>55~106% throttling>3.56 mixture ratio>25MPa chamber pressure>100+ TWR
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1980998173024800885>United Launch Alliance Atlas V ViaSat-3 Flight 2 Planned for Nov. 3. The launch of a United Launch Alliance Atlas V 551 rocket carrying the ViaSat-3 Flight 2 (F2) mission for ViaSat is planned for no earlier than Monday, Nov. 3, 2025, pending range approval. The launch is scheduled for 10:36 p.m. EST at the opening of a 44-minute window, from Space Launch Complex-41 at Cape Canaveral Space Force Station, Florida.
>>16824083This could be the last launch of Atlas V for something other than Kuiper or Starliner
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1981015829740433743
https://x.com/ApexSpacecraft/status/1980970818948710511>Today, we unveil Project Shadow — Apex's on-orbit Space-Based Interceptor (SBI) technology demonstration, launching NET June 2026. At Apex, we often launch self-funded missions to advance our technology and demonstrate our capabilities in space. Over 1.5 years ago, we launched our first Aries satellite, which continues to serve as an on-orbit software testbed for our team and customers. Project Shadow is our next step internally funded mission (with more to come in the future).> Apex’s Nova platform will be outfitted with the “Orbital Magazine” configuration package, providing environmental management for the demonstration interceptors, a Link-182–compatible radio, and Missile Warning/Tracking sensors. The Orbital Magazine will carry two scaled-down demonstration interceptors, each equipped with a solid rocket motor (SRM) and a suite of data-collection sensors.Cubsat-based anti-satellite interceptors for Golden Dome, launching 2026
>>16824089https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1981018000024072203
>>16824092already posted jupiter bro
https://x.com/JackKuhr/status/1981012949847151083
>>16823958God damn I love this meme
>2025>I am forgotten
>>16824109unbelievable
>>16824097literally who?he doesn't seem to understand the concept of milestones in government contracts
>>16824113or any contract in generalwhose gonna start up some project when 50%+ payment depends on final completion
>>16824089I obviously agree with Elon but just playing devil’s advocate here: James E. Webb was the most formative and influential administrator of NASA serving under multiple presidents and overseeing Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo. Webb only flew planes for the Marines for 2 years before returning to civilian life.With that aside, Duffy as so ass–and Jared would be a far better administrator by almost every metric, if not all of them, and especially as far as technical familiarity is concerned. But remember, a good administrator must also have that political dawg in him
>>16823870>Good luck having no temperature gradient over the 2km+ to get to use all the solar panels as radiators (you need to, otherwise you can't shed enough heat).Passive cooling is a non-starter for sure.
>>16824132technical familiarity is not really relevant to managing a bureaucracy
view of mars from phobos' surface in ksa
>>16824060What a snake
>>16824135If your only purpose is bureaucracy, yes. If you actually want to point the bureaucratic machine in a direction that gets *anything* done, you need to understand what you're trying to do with the thing in the first place. Old corporations are always awful and fall apart because they are consistently consumed by the bureaucracy, without a care in the world for the purpose of the organization itself.
>>16824135It can certainly help but yeah. It’s more important to be able to handle the shitty politics of WANTING to do big and important things, but no one really caring for you unless you play ball & dish out ludicrous contracts to their congressional district. I think this is why SX are such disrupters. That money goes to Hawthorne and Texas, and not to thousands of good ol’ boys stacking shuttle SRBs over the course of 20 months and getting a fat paycheck
>>16824139It's a government bureaucracy, good PR and spending its budget are the only things that matterThats why NASA launches cost double what a commercial payload would cost
>>16824147at that point you might as well get rid of the whole thing
>>16824149If they don't do launches, or ground infrastructure, or LEO constellations, then whats their purpose at all? Spending billions on "flagship missions"?
>>16824109this AI stuff is getting too good. you can even see her chest sway from behind...
>>16824136trash.
What if instead of >>16824108 we simply wrapped the entirety of phobos or deimos in a big balloon?
>>16824109Eliminate that pesky pantie.
>>16824109You there are trillions of generals where you can post your AI slop.
>>16823492Anything worthwhile in that?
>>16824147That's a shuffling zombie of a government body. It needs leadership that cares about its purpose, and its purpose is greater than fluffing Congressmen by getting money to their districts.
>>16824155Take this nonsense away and keep your gooning in the actual gooner threads.
>>16824165You've lost the benefits of aerobraking and reasonable gravity, and gained nothing in return
>>16824172Aerobraking at Phobos and Deimos? I don't think you can aerobrake there, anon.
This took 10 months.
NASA seems structurally incapable of colonizing Mars. Martian industrialization will be an exercise of mass production. The per decade telescope and rover do not scale. It will necessitate normalizing high risk and normal activities can no longer be sacred. The rituals required for going outside on the ISS do not scale. I'm fine if NASA gets deleted.
>>16824174This was my point.
>>16824176>NASA seems structurally incapable of colonizing MarsIt shouldn't be their job to begin with.
>>16824180Why not?
>>16824109thousands of years of gradual technological advances led to this moment
>>16824176NASA is structurally capable of doing anything, they hire contractors to do work, then employ people 1 to 1 to "help" those contractors
>>16824181It wasn't what NASA was built for and it has never undergone changes to enable it either. >NASA seems structurally incapable of colonizing MarsThis isn't incidental.
>>16824181they should research new propulsion technologies that are so speculative commercial companies don't want to touch them yet, maybe be the anchor customer for a moon or mars base (but not some bigger effort) and to do research thereright now it seems to mostly be about grifting money to old space contractors that used to do some cutting edge stuff 50 years ago
>>16824186>they should research new propulsion technologies that are so speculative commercial companies don't want to touch them yetThere is literally no such thing
>>16824188NTR?
>>16824189
>>16824192>see NTR>think netorare>in sfgngmi
>>16824132Duffy is the sort of NASA Administrator you would appoint if it is 2013 and you dgaf about NASA or space.
>>16824188Anything nuclear is a low hanging fruit.
>>16824196Theres not much to research without actually buildingAnd even then, it has no practical purpose over chemical engines
>>16824188there is plenty actually and they should come up with new ones explicitly as a research goal
>>16824199yeah thats why its called research
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1981052689296584825
https://x.com/Erdayastronaut/status/1981056907420062199
>>16824207here you have your netorare
>>16824199Those goalposts be moving.
>>16824207did they blur the fucking manway?
>>16824205fell out with jared?
>>16824189NTS
>>16824213why would he explicitly state support for Jared while trashing the current admin? it would make Jared look bad
>>16824213I doubt it, just deflecting from people whining about conflicts of interests with Isaacman
>>16824213No, just finally learned a modicum of tact after his year of fruitless meltdowns
elon wants isaacman but will take another qualified candidate too
>>16824113The point is that NASA is essentially giving SpaceX an interest-free loan by paying out way too much money for very early milestones
>>16824109goddamit, you can't just slap a biking ass on every single thing in /sfg/!
>>16824224you're right, we should be seeing boobs too
>>16824223NASA has never done this before.
>>16824134It would be really easy, if they didn't put all those servers in one place, but had smaller units distributed.>>16824188RDE?
>orbital data centers>space missiles>satellites getting starlinkwe're entering into a new era of startups. the new newspace era.
>>16824228>nvidia>startup
https://x.com/KenKirtland17/status/1981058896879095842>Let's analyze HLS development timeline compared to other Human Spaceflight Programs at NASA. Here's 2 infographics that compare HLS to Commercial Crew, SLS, and the GAO average of NASA program dev times.>2 versions, this first one is time to first succesful uncrewed demo.
>>16824220>>16824216>>16824217I don't believe Musk is this tactful based on past performance, so we will have to see.
>>16824232https://x.com/KenKirtland17/status/1981058900070703486>This second version is time to first succesful CREWED demo mission.>So... lots of fuss about HLS recently for, a bunch of nothing honestly.
>>16824230the startup is using nvidia gpus. thats like saying they're spacex because they're riding on starship.
>>16824236I thought it was nvidea themselves doing it. Makes sense, since there should be someone at nvidia who has a basic understanding of thermodynamics.
>>16824010Vertical integration increases payload flexibility. Stacking on the pad obviates the need for large crawlers, heavy load capable crawlerways, and VABs. A disadvantage of stacking on the pad is lower cadence.Landspace uses a hybrid system where only the payload & fairing are stacked on the pad, retaining the benefits of vertical integration. The new Long March 8/8A pad at Wenchang also uses a hybrid system where the boosters are attached in a separate mini-VAB before stacking on the pad begins.
uh, so how would you swap out the GPUs every two years with an orbital data center?
>>16824243just throw away the old module and add a new one. plug and play like usb.
>>16824243Launch a new satellite. The old one is worthless
>>16824182this is the best possible world
>>16824243Since it's mostly solar and radiators just swap out the compute part.Or build another one since it's pretty much free to operate after it's been launched.
>>16824076>suffered from cadence issues6A is already at max cadence, and has been for a while. Taiyuan pad 9A is VAB-less, so it can't realistically support a faster turnaround time than three weeks.>95%+ of China's space programIt's likely going to take several years before Landspace can ramp up ZQ-3 cadence enough to make a meaningful dent in Chinese launch numbers. Considering that the timelines are measured in years, ZQ-3 is almost neck-in-neck with similar rockets in development by other companies. There is close to zero danger of a SpaceX-style quasi-monopoly emerging in China, even if there is no additional government intervention to prevent it.
>>16824223like they've never done this before with Boing and others, who even get Cost Plus when they're behind schedule
>>16824245>>16824248>>16824250Launch costs aren't low enough for that though
>>16824250depending on the orbit you might need to refill with propellants for stationkeeping
>>16824245now try just plugging in a new one when you have to do zero-gee docking
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1856320042943873430China moves forward. China will grow larger
>>16824228>orbital data centers>new eraNope, we're clearly still in the era where SpaceX's success means you can scam investors with ideas defeated by ten minutes of napkin math
>>16824254It's good to point out, because there are people who think that it's impossible to unfairly suck money out of the government through a fixed-price contract
This suggests that extensive atmospheric haze should be visible above the Venusian cloud tops.
>>16824267Yet in all photos of Venus there is none visible. I refuse to believe we have more photos of Titan's atmosphere than out nearest fucking neighbour planet.
>>16824224dare to dream
>>16823939Yes, they intend to land the rocket after going to space
why do we never see bike lady from the front?
>>16824275Improbable, rockets can't land, I would've heard about it
>>16824264>ten minutes of napkin mathMay we see it? Because I'm hearing a lot of vague talk about how it's impossible to manage the heat, but not a lot of calculations
>>16824278NASA CGI isn't that powerful don't question it goy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHatVYmDdnQSome low quality talk featuring Kiko Dontchev VP of SpaceX launch ops with Tesla's lead designer..
>>16824280Okay.The ISS radiators can do about 0.6 kw/m^2 of heat dissipation.A server rack for gpu farm pulls about 30kw on the low end.Say you want to run a small farm of 50 racks and your radiators are better than whats on the ISS:(30kw/rack * 50 racks) / 0.75kw/m^2 = 2,000 m^22 whole square kilometers of radiators!
>>16824280>heat Forget the heat, you're talking about a business here, the relevant numbers are all preceded by a $. Assuming hardware is the exact same, one needs to be launched on a rocket and one does not. Which do you think will be cheaper? If you browse here the answer should be easy
>>16824308The ISS radiators are pretty obsolete.
>>16824280Heat output of a DC is basically 1:1 with the input as "computation" is an abstract concept void of useful work.A gigawatt DC would have to dissipate a gigawatt of heat and the inherently tricky part is silicon cannot operate at high temps, max 100c but more like 80C for reliability purposes.This means larger radiators to achieve the acquired heat flux necessary compared to other space heat sources like an RTG.I'm no expert on space radiatiors but let's take the ISS. The rads there keep the station at a comfortable temp for humans which is about the same temp as servers would like an an input temp for either air or water.ISS heat rejection is 70kw max with about 475 square meters of surface aera.This is about 150w per square meter.A gigawatt is a billion watts, so 1,000,000,000/150 means about 6,666,666 square meters of radiator is necessary.This is about 6.6 square kilometers of radiator.
>>16823994They even copied the Super Heavy strakes lmao
>>16824315do they even know why they are there? sometimes it feels like chinese people are souless automata that simply copy things without understanding their basic functions. It would explain why their rocket looks like it was made by an AI
>>16824315Non-whites are not capable of creating. This is established fact.
>>16824312If you want to reject significantly more heat you have to use some kind of heat pump to significantly raise the temperature of the circulating fluid. Another added complication.
We need a model Starship in the Oval Office
>>16824331Are SSTs back on the menu?
>>16824332>single stage transportsAlso known as "all vehicles"
we need SSTO or else we're never getting space fighters
>>16824339
>>16824335Supersonic transports.
>>16824340Flying Dorito supremacy
>>16824175you forgot to add the other 40 years of development time and money they also have on it
>>16824309I'm waiting for a single use case besides communications and observation to refute this. I doubt any of us will see it.
>>16824205If my IQ is 3 does that technically qualify me?
>>16824331its a cringe shitty development vehicle right now. when it has a decade and a half as a mature design and the most prolific rocket ever, then it can get a model.
>>16824349Yet trump has a shitty fantasy plane model in his office for… some reason?P.S. he might not even have the moon rock in there anymore either, everything is gay and a blackpill IV into my veins
yeah thats gonna be a "dont recommend this channel" from me dawg
It looks like this thread will be the 5th in the row that reaches image limit and over 1000 posts. Why it is like that?
>lockheed is NET 2028 for golden dome testhttps://www.twz.com/space/lockheed-to-test-golden-dome-space-based-missile-interceptor-in-orbit-by-2028griiiiiiiifters
>>16824375
>>16824375i didnt read, its NLT 2028. so they want to launch a missile from a satellite within the next two years.
Starship is actually a really bad name
>>16822243>Duffy wants to be presidentIf Trumps closer allies were smart they'd get lock him into the DoT and throw away the key, nominate Jared and you get a Trump/Vance Loyalist from Day 1, LM must be digging deep into their wallets to keep the pork barrel rolling.
>>16824391Phoenix would be appropriate if you want to keep the bird theme.
>>16824391We’ve talked about this to death; I am of the opinion that it would have been better to call the booster Super Heavy, the upper stage Starship—but call the full stack “BFR” or “ITS”The upper stage AND the full stack sharing the same name lacks sovl
>>16824398Wyvern, it’s similar to Dragon
>>16824076>>16824253>Beijing isn't going to be willing to hand over 95%+ of China's space program to a semi-independent companyMy observation has been (in other less nationally important industries) that the company key leadership will be offered party membership if they are not already. If already a member then it's an opportunity to rise. But it's easy to see how this might step on some toes politically as the roots of the old space program go back to the PLA and will have links to long standing factions within the CCP. It is not unlike the US oldspace MIC in this regard. Better hope the chairman looks upon you favorably and you have enough 'friends' in the politiburo after he's gone.
>>16824402I was thinking about the regeneration aspect.
>>16824391It's made worse by the booster name having absolutely no relation to the ship name, at least call it starbooster.Strange because Musk is usually very good at coming up with snappy names for things.
>>16823501imagine the reddit astronomy seethe
>>16824400ITS was peak aesthetic.
Did Sean Duffy really deserve to get called gay & retarded by the one who signed up for 2024 landing?
>>16824408>>16824400Boosters don't need names
>>16824418yes
>>16824418Considering he apparently either sincerely believes or is at least trying to promote the idea that one of the oldspace primes like Lockmart would have a functional crewed lunar lander ready to go for Artemis III in only 2.5 years, I'd say yeah.
>>16824420Reusable upper stages like shuttle orbiter deserve names. Reusable lower stages like f9 sticks deserve names.Starship is the first vehicle with 2 reusable stages, so needs 2 names
>>16824417lord take me back. This was RAW inspiration when it came out. Best SpaceX CG fim ever. Made me tear up. I showed it to my gf at the time and she said it was boring.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qo78R_yYFA
>>16824227If it's spread out that much it won't be able to be leveraged for compute clusters, which is the main client of interest for datacenters right now.
>>16824443bad bait.
>>16824371bike lady is blessing us from her abundance
>>16824447you actually need good latency between the units in your clusterputting them literally on opposite sides of the earth is not good for performance
>>16824455never from the front...
>>16823501I see the vision. China should try Energia II
>>16824447As the Anon said, it's not bait. Datacenters are close together because a lot of the compute functions in things like AI training clusters are highly latency dependent, and requires very high bandwidth interlinks between server racks. The hardware benefits from being physically close together.
>>16824462have you tried wishing on a star?
>>16824470Okay but that tracking shot interpretation was actually based?
>>16824470I wish for larger comets
>>16824474your wish was an overwhelming success
https://x.com/SecDuffyNASA/status/1981084714665390198>Building on the strong relationship between President Trump and Prime Minister Orbán, I’m proud to expand America’s space partnership with Hungary. Their decision to join the Artemis Accords affirms a shared commitment to peaceful, transparent exploration—at a time when others seek to weaponize the final frontier.
>>16824481Make her mediterranean looking and driving around in a tiny european shitbucket.
>>16824486
>>16824207The tank slipped and rolled over someone and they've yet to wipe off the blood stains.
>>16824319>>16824327do YOU know why superheavy has strakes?
>>16824496No (don't want to know)
>>16824496Because the engines spontaneously combust if they are exposed to the normal atmosphere, so they have touse massive co2 tanks under the strakes to blast the engines like a fire extinguisher.
>>16824521also an aerodynamic surface
no u
>>16824523surely if the main purpose was lift then they would have 2 strakes like BONG?
>>16824530nice dino blankie anon
>>16824530How do you even describe such a scene for a prompt
>>16824537image:A sad nerd sitting in bed after spilling a lot of water on his dinosaur quilt, in front of a very large picture window, crying, photorealistic, road and sidewalk visible outsidevideo:A woman rides on a bicycle up and laughs at him, tight light blue shirt, tight light gray thigh high leggings, short brown ponytail, curvy figure, very large bra, pointing at him and laughing
>>16824530FINALLY some slop for booba bros
>>16824539Ah that's how it worksFirst the starting image then afterwards the video. Nice.
>>16824542yeah, you can skip the first part if you're uploading a space related image for the first frame
we need to go further. anon wetting his bed at the starship launch party and everyone laughs
gooners will never make it to space
>>16823994https://x.com/XH_Lee23/status/1980947646656495781
>>16824562looks like ai
>>16824565it doesn't. go back to xitter
>>16824547
>>16824205>075 IQCheckmate 'lon
>>16823895You don't need much if any hardening in LEO, off the shelf electronics works fine.Also we have ECC in computing at a lot of levels on Earth anyway explicitly designed to handle the stray cosmic ray fucking up yo day
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1981165708643094583
>>16824581
>>16824582It's chinese (based)
>>16824581Westralians going to give someone a littering fine again
>>16824565nigga ai would've made it morph between the shuttle and the Falcon Heavy
>>16824582rest of the video
>>16822805Enter the SEA DRAGON.
>>16824585They should just ignore it rather than play along for funsies this time, fuck the aussie faggots.In fact Australia should be where all space debris is deorbited over, a big empty space that nobody cares about, it's perfect.
>>16824465>The first reusable boosters are with propulsive booster landing>no reason to ever build a fixed wing airplane-like landing booster in the futurekind of sad
https://x.com/treetanner/status/1981010869439094797Fireball over central Alberta
>>16824619So much SpaceX debris (A.K.A. litter and aviation/ground civilian hazard) these days
>>16823490>the fuck is there no antonym of lee in English?Windward is the antonym of leeward, for what that's worth.
>>16824619way too fast for a sat. just a meteor.
>>16823486Christ, that list is immense. Why does one need that big of a government? You could cut at least half of those agencies and nothing of value would be lost
>>16824636Come on man, cool it with the antisemitism
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1981197237394059410>Okay since the Wenchang commercial couldn't finish the methane loading system on time. Rumors say the maiden flight of CZ-12A may switch to JSLC at end of 2025.
>>16824653>CZ-12A>methaneWhat is this shit? CZ-12 already launched twice and is a kerolox rocket.Fuck this faggotry call it something better or I won't care
>>16824662Topkek this is my attitude with most things china. Their naming convention is schizo and everyone is just cookie-cutter white w/ red and blue accent. I DO judge a book by its cover because it’s a preview of things that lie underneath (in this case confusion, monotony, and under powered parts compared to the west)
>>16823542>>16823546I was working on compiling a /sfg/ recommended media list, here's what I have currently. This is not the final list, stuff marked with question marks are items that one or more anons objected against including for one reason or another./sfg/ Recommended media list>MoviesThe Right StuffApollo 11Apollo 13The Martian ?2001: A Space OdysseyMoon zero 2 - Featured on MST3K lmao.Ad Astra ?AlienEvent HorizonSolaris (1972)sunshine (not the second half)ContactInterstellarStarship troopers ?MoonDUNC ?Mission to MarsTotal Recall (1990) ?Dark StarOctober SkyTitan AETreasure PlanetSpace CowboysFirst men in the Moon>Tv ShowsPlanetesCowboy BebopSpace BrothersMoonlight MileOrbital ChildrenFor All Mankind ?ExpanseRocket girls ?Irina: The Vampire Cosmonaut ?Crest of the Stars ?Earth to the Moon>Books (Fiction and Non-fiction)Rendezvous with Rama - Arthur C. ClarkeLarry Niven's Beowulf Shaeffer short stories.The Chanur Novels by C.J. CherryhThe ExpanseThe New Case for MarsThe Moon is a Harsh Mistress>VidyaKerbal Space ProgramChildren of a Dead EarthSpace Station 13/14Moonbase AlphaAurora 4xFreespace 2Deepspace Emporium>(Web)comicsLeaving the CradleFreefallOrbiter>PodcastsBBC: 13 Minutes Presents series
>>16823977Welcome back SDI. I for one welcome our return to Kino spaceflight.
>>16824669>Planetes>Cowboy Bebop>Space Brothers>Moonlight Mile>Orbital Children>For All Mankind ?>Expanse>Rocket girls ?>Irina: The Vampire Cosmonaut ?>Crest of the Stars ?>Earth to the Moon>a bunch of fucking anime shitSeriously?
>>16824675>Complaining about Anime on 4chan.
https://mars.nasa.gov/raw_images/1102094/
>>16824681Go to one of the anime boards -- thanks!
>>16824683https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/proj/msl/redops/ods/surface/sol/04696/opgs/edr/fcam/FRB_814383772EDR_F1191722FHAZ00337M_.JPG
>>16824683>>16824688looks normal
>>16824691huh
>>16824695uhh wtf
>>16824697it's just a shadow goy
>>16824695So that's where I left my pringles
>>16824695>August 2023so was this just missed even by those who obsess over finding strange rocks on Mars, first time I'm seeing it
VGH, what could've been...Now we're stuck with Starshit
>>16824695
>>16824530Damn she's got some superheavies
>>16824713
>>16824683>>16824688Why are the Curiosity photos always in grayscale?
>>16824669How does for all mankind have a question mark lol
>>16824723Because it's shit
>>16824723What is this all for, ants?
>>16824723While anons did like SENPAI for it's true to science depiction of space and spacecraft, many anon's disliked it for various reasons such as having bad characters and being "hippy propaganda".
>>16824581Why are they treating it like it's some toxic waste? Lol it's just a COPV
>>16824743Ausfags always like to make a big deal about stupid shit. Nation of rules followers
>>16824743If it's Chinese then the caution may be justified
>>16824361Funny cuz their station looks just as messy now that it's been a whole
>>16824669/esseffgee/ movie night wen
>>16824745 Haha yeah fair call now, but also pic related
>>16824402Wyverns don't have (front) legs
https://x.com/CJHandmer/status/1981225583523877353
>>16824771oldspace ffs if you kill more astronauts you're gonna lose that sweet SLS gravy train
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1869453400657764536well there goes the HLS contract!
>>16824775>great work as always, keep it up!
>>16824775Can't see it because I don't have an account.
>>16824777make an account?its like two clicks
>>16824778I don't want to become addicted.
>>16824777>>16824779It's a 3D animation of Rouge the Bat wanking someone off. The account name doesn't actually matter in a twitter link, just the post number.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjJwGQZRFJg
>>16824780>clicked on it on my work account without reading your post firstBAN THE LEWDPOSTER NOW
We need to have a /sfg/ meetup
>>16824792anon is going to get blackmailed by IT now!>>16824795i'll bring my fursuit
>>16824795>clear bukkake partyim good. yall have fun blasting your rockets off tho.
>>16824669>Ad Astra ?Seriously?
>>16824795I'll bring the wood chipper
>>16824669That Gregory Peck movie where he's travelling to the moon in NotApollo and gets into trouble
>>16824669Europa Report.
>>16823566me too, I would have called it Prohibited Planet
We haven't reached image limit..../sfg/ is dead.
you dont know dead. dead is when you're the only one bumping the thread all day until the next anon comes to take your place so you can sleep.
>>16824686/sci/ is an anime board
you now remember that Musk called the acting administrator and transport secretary a gay retarded monkey
>>16824830he's literally me frfr
>>16824795I'll bring the bike lady
>>16824830And called the president a pedo. Reminder that in Star Trek lore, musk is remembered fondly as one of the greatest humans
>>16824842By a guy who secretly turned out to be from the mirror universe.
I think Fuck You anon got rangebanned. He has been awful quiet recently.
europe is dying
>>16824846Has there ever been a corporate merger that worked out? I can't think of a single one that actually improved a company.
>>16824846combining 3 sclerotic bureaucracies into one big onelol
>>16824843>the Terran Empire thinks fondly of the memory of SpaceXBased
https://x.com/spacex/status/1981029554723373535Falcon 9 launches 28 @Starlink satellites from California
>>16824849Airbus itself is a joint venture and they are trashing Boeing. Trust the plan.
>>16824851lol
wtf is spacex going to do with all those cybertrucks?
>>16824858use them for work
>>16824859theres more trucks than employees
>>16824851Since this is California there is a good chance this literally happens irl
>>16824861incorrect
>>16824858Cybertruck production is at a low fraction of factory capacity. He doesn't want to admit defeat just yet. It's also free advertising for the truck to have it appear next to a prestigious operation. Does it benefit SpaceX? Not really.
>>16824858They literally can't sell them. Those trucks were all sitting on lots so may as well send them somewhere where it looks less bad.
Shield AI, started by former SpaceX people have designed a stealthy VTOL drone, X-BAT, taking inspiration from the Falcon 9 Rocket!
>>16824875sorry, that violates the 5th practice in the Noble Eightfold Path
>TFW ted cruz is trying to steal my local space shuttle
>>16824872They're fucking everywhere and I'm in a deep blue coastal fag city
>>16824884>They're fucking everywhereMore like you see one a week but notice it every time, so you think you see more then the 5,000 hondas you pass and don't notice.
>>16824885they sell like 5k a quartermuch less than the production capacity yes, but they do still sell a few of them
>>16824885>anon discovers salience bias, feels the need to tell everyone about itof course I considered thatthere are a lot of themhow's your freshman year of college?
>>16824881mfw the zodiac killer sends highly trained spies
we need more space startups
>>16824872Send? SpaceX is getting charged for those lol.
they're going to rip the batteries out of the cybertrucks to put them on starship, and turn the steel into new starships. they're feedstock.
>>16824669For books, addRed Mars by Kim Stanley Robinson (I know you retards are going to be all contrarian about this, but it's still the best Mars settlement book)Seveneves by Neal Stephenson maybe (fun fact, he worked at BO when they were trying to think about other ways to get to orbit)
The EDS sufferers have a deep psychological need for Elon to fail, and therefore will search desperately for ways to cope. We will be hearing about how he's days away from self destruction forever and the proposed mechanisms will be increasingly bizarre. "FSD makes it too convenient to drive and it's increasing traffic!" "He's actually selling too many cybertrucks and there's no more steel left!" "Elon is left handed!"Better get used to ignoring these retards because it will never end.
>>16824900>Red Mars by Kim Stanley RobinsonYou are a faggot that takes black dick and enjoys reading about sex with black men
>>16824902Cybertrucks are garbage and nobody is buying it. They failed to capture the truck market they wanted and instead only got the luxury market
>>16824904???Your post is blank. Did you mean to type something?
>>16824910biggest fan award
>>16824900>step 1>tape several spent shuttle tanks together and ride them to Mars >step 2>autonomously build a space elevator How grounded, what a brilliant sci-fi novel that explores Martian industrialization realistically and definitely isn't just pretense to explain why the author's version of communism would work.
>>16824902All I care about is the rockets. He clearly excels at rockets, and when he fails elsewhere it's just bad for the rockets, so I resent said failures even more.
https://x.com/TheSpaceDogeGuy/status/1981310736618987762>All Service Platforms have been retracted and Long March 5 is Ready to be launched.. Launch is scheduled for 2:30 PM UTC / 10:30 PM Chinese Standard TimeT-50:00https://x.com/IntRocketLaunch/status/1981187061781778651>Live: Long March 5 Flight 9 Launch (No Commentary) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKGqPETXDyA
>>16824851she's practically having sex with that bike
>>16824918https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG0V0MQuA1Yanother stream, this time with yappingT-20:00
ITS GONNA COLLIDE WITH EARTH! NIBIRU NIBIRU AJJJHGHGGFF
>>16824935>unknown payloadspysat?
>>16824939Maybe? It's got the big upper stage, so it's going to be heading for a higher energy orbit, but it's also got the LM-5s largest payload fairing, so whatever it is it's not small. The drop zones make it look like it's launching straight east, so it's probably heading for a geostationary transfer orbit.
>>16824941chinese bike lady?
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1981368157622456375>And liftoff occurred right on time:
>>16824778Accounts are for fags
Apex is probably working with Palmer Lucky's Anduril company on Orbital Magazinehttps://arstechnica.com/space/2025/10/california-startup-to-demonstrate-space-weapon-on-its-own-dime/
>>16824801These were all recommendations by anons in /sfg/
>>16824967that little pellet better have hella dv and some magical IR sensors on them
hahahahahahahahahahahah
>>16824983>Oops! All Canadarms!
>>16824983What rocket are they launching it on?
>>16824993>2045 SPACE STATION>With the Titan medium-lift launch vehicle expected to begin flights out of the Atlantic Spaceport Complex in the 2030s, the means to begin the construction of a space station will become available. Built around the Titan's 5 ton payload capacity, the orbiting outpost will be constructed in piecemeal out of modules which maximize robust functionality and deployed volume while minimizing mass. Semi-rigid inflatable habitats allow pressurized modules to expand upon the Titan's four-and-a-half meter diameter to provide ample volume for crewmembers. Manned and unmanned spacecraft, using common hardware for streamlined logistics, ferry supplies and crews of two between Canada and the station.
>>16824662Confusing and inconsistent naming has always been the case with CASC rockets. For example, CZ-2D is not part of the CZ-2 family, it is in fact a modified CZ-4, and it is made by another division of CASC than the one which makes the other CZ-2 series rockets. Various booster configurations get their own designation in the case of the CZ-3A/B/C and the CZ-6A/C, but the boosterless version of CZ-8 does not have its own designation. The CZ-6A/6C have not much in common with the CZ-6 except that they use the same engines. The Jielong-2 seems to have been renamed CZ-11 for some reason. Etc.
>>16824884I live in the exact location where cybertrucks are purchased the most>gosh darnit why are there so many cybertrucks!
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1981380755772015085>The top secret “Communication technology test satellites”, with quotes in bold, series strikes again! The “thingy” on top of this LM-5 that successfully launched after liftoff at 14:30 UTC is a certain TJSW-20 [Tongxin Jishu Shiyan]. This is the 2nd one to launch on LM-5 after TJSW-11 in February 2024.>Not surprisingly SpaceLens is at Wenchang to film the mighty Long March 5 launching
>>16824997>5 ton payload>in mid 2030sIs it at least reusable?
>>16825013Supposedly. It's also supposed to be built by Nordspace and there's exactly zero information on it besides the fact that it's going to be developed "in the 2030s" and it'll be an evolution of their Taiga suborbital rocket.
>>16824967You now realize space missiles will just be rectangles with a sensor in the front.
>>16825020ENEMY MINES!?
>>16825019They're not moving nearly fast enough.Ngmi
>>16825020its just a specialized cube sat for testing. the real missiles might look different
>us dominating launch and LEO>canada planning a space station>australia starting to enter the launch sectorIt's honestly hard to believe how far we fell in just less than 200 years.
>>16824937Damn this dude still aroundReally sank his own ship
>>16825024Why would they though, with no need for aerodynamics you optimize for utility.
>>16825025The Canadian station is just fanart.
>>16824846>>16824849Going to emulate Stellantis Jk all not SpaceX firms need to merge
>>16825027thats wrong though. the interceptors are supposed to intercept in both space (mid course) and the atmosphere (boost phase)
First ship fully made in the parts editor in KSA
>>16825034And the CSM near the Moon
>>16825030Apex has not stated their intended target set.
>>16825035Also, we should have something to entertain ourselves with while we wait for Pad B soon.
>>16824057Good to see a Stoke space update
Airbus, Leonardo and Thales are merging their space business.https://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/raumfahrt-airbus-leonardo-und-thales-formen-gemeinsamen-satelliten-konzern-a-553f3c2c-aebf-4515-a41f-c878e0f0875c
>>16825039do I look like I speak german
>>16825042We have a lot of dedicated von Braun fans.
>>16825042>he doesn't know
>>16824983you guys don't get it, the actual space station is that image itself. it'll just be a printed photo orbiting urf. 2045 is too ambitious btw
https://x.com/torybruno/status/1981411094767042849>Blue Origin delivered our 30th BE-4 engine for Vulcan!! Our partnership continues to pave the way for critical missions, now and into the future.
>>16825059how many vulcans have launched again? 2?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1981399997699805613
>>16825063I can't tell if he's underestimating the chinese again or not.
staging in T-00:04:00
>>16825067no go from weather, I spotted a cloud that looked weird
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1981412433479831895
>>16825065Falcon 9 still had more growth potential when SpaceX made the decision to move on to Starship. The Merlin-1D is a nice engine, but it's still a gas generator design and you could get a lot of improvement from switching to a FFSC engine. Higher thrust would let Falcon lift a larger second stage would also have a big effect of performance. You're not going to get something that can lift 100t but it's not inconceivable that you could get something that lifts 25t while still being reusable.
>>16825069"STOP pissing off the autist"
>>16825065>I can't tellIsn't it obvious? It has potential to be better than F9 but strictly worse than Starship.Seems pretty clear
Staging>>16825072>>16825072>>16825072
>>16825059waow, almost enough for one Superheavy
>>16825025On behalf of your disloyal colonies, I apologize. We shouldn't have pushed for British decolonization.
>>16824904Truck for the masses 100k a pop, ok boomer.
>>16825099You have to remember that these are Boutique Engines with the finest Aerospace Grade Components and Materials. Not some mass produced stuff.
>>16825069he better read the room or kiss his gay ambitions goodbye
>>16825069>a senior White House official told the Washington Free Beacon.Which official? One of Musk's allies, such as Lutnick?
>>16824947
>>16825027They will be round not because of aerodynamics but because they will have pressure vessels for the propellant. Both solids and liquids are round for this reason in addition to aerodynamics.Optics are also usually round (or some approximation of round in the case of segmented mirrors).
