Orion sucks donkey dick - editionprevious >>16831714
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2025/10/31/nasas-orion-space-capsule-is-flaming-garbage/
if private spaceflight is so good, then why does china have a cooler space station than the entire west combined?
Casey was big mad in that article.
>I visited Kip Thorne’s office (just down the hall from mine at Caltech) to talk about cosmic inflation and the search for primordial gravitational waves. But what we really talked about was something slightly different: what it means to dedicate your life completely to Science, and what it takes to find answers to the questions that keep us awake at night.>We also took a picture together with his “little poetry book”, as he calls it, opened on the page dedicated to BICEP and the search for gravitational waves from the South Pole. A quiet reminder that even science is made of beauty and poetry.She a Caltech Astrophysics/Cosmetology Double Major.
>>16834126It's a shit way to make money and doesn't scale. SpaceX would rather launch more Starlink bandwidth.
Maybe it's just me, but I think we went a bit overboard with the name patches.
>>16834126ISS USOS and Tiangong are basically the same thing
>>16834136those are well-engineered name patches
>>16834124where is /sfg/'s blog?
https://x.com/Lokeshkr73/status/1984972179461861386>LVM3 M5 Successfully launched the CMS 03 communication satellite into sub-GTO (26689km x 170km). This marks the 8th successful flight of LVM3 (100% success rate) and this is the heaviest satellite launched to GTO from Indian soil.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAR9fV48Hjw
oh 2025 is now tied with 2024 for the most launches ever in a year
>>16834175That's it.
>>16834042>for the *real* projects which are all black budget off the bookspffff, yeah sure. Schizos think it's ayylmao's tech, but it's just more spy satellites, drones, and at most something like the X37B. They are really incompetent and inefficient with money. If SpaceX were to be a military contractor just like Locksneed and friends, and Musk didn't have his autistic tantrums, they would be all out of business.
Hear me out: air launched spaceplane powered by 2 plug-nozzle derived raptors, using the stratolaunch or something similar.Pic mostly unrelated.
>>16834185https://x.com/ISROSpaceflight/status/1984965523835367837>Successful first engine relight demo by C25 cryogenic stage! After separation of the CMS-03 satellite, the C25 upper stage of LVM3 reoriented itself and reignited its CE-20 engine, demonstrating its new engine relight capability for the first time!
>>16834213Yeah but Starship's current config is honestly better than airlaunching anything. They've recovered a bazillion F9 cores (experience) and they have obviously demonstrated that they can do the same thing with Super Heavy and tower catches and reuse. Starship as it is right now is basically a 2-stage space plane except with wings and landing gear removed and instead made to be landed vertically
>>16834213>spaceplane
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/5581613-nasa-administrator-race-isaacman-duffy/
Quantum computing is best done in the permanently shadowed craters on the Moon
>>16834227t. Elonhttps://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985013074382991407
https://x.com/viasat/status/1984988643425947940>-3 and the countdown is on. We’re just a few days away from liftoff of ViaSat-3 F2, the next ultra-high-capacity Ka-band satellite in our global, multi-orbit constellation.
i love commsatslop
>>16834232via sat is the enemy
>>16834226>The argument for choosing Isaacman, the sooner the better, is overwhelming. Having built two multibillion-dollar companies and privately financed two space flights, he has a proven record of making the near impossible happen. As he explained to Ars Technica’s Eric Berger back in June, Isaacman has a vision for NASA and the Artemis program that is at once awesome and doable.>Trump’s withdrawal of Isaacman’s nomination was a serious mistake. It has caused months of uncertainty and turmoil at NASA that it can ill afford with China surging ahead in the new race for the moon. His renominating Isaacman will go a long way toward rectifying that mistake.
>>16834232It was going to launch on Falcon Heavy but the first ViaSat-3 was damaged by excessive vibrations from the rocket and wasn't able to fully deploy it's antenna. Now they're going to do what they should have done in the beginning and go with a proven launch provider.Go ULA!Go Atlas!Go ViaSat-3!
>>16834128does this take inflation into account?
8 posts in 1 hour esfeegee is deed
>>16834271how was the direct landing ship supposed to escape earth's gravity well
>>16834275Nova
>>16834275>>16834276just build a bigger rocket lmao
>>16834268
New Eager.>Why Space Reality Kills Your Space Dreams https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3aSAjuHdFI
>>16834281About time. That lazy boomer needs to pick up the pace.
>>16834281I like that his thumbnails have the same aesthetic as Thunderfoot but they're like diametrically opposed. Or at least his criticism seems more objective and grounded as opposed to engagement farming
I'm gong to shart myself laughing if Axiom never finishes their suits.
>>16834278Or you use a mix of orbital construction and refueling using smaller rockets. At one point the Marshal Spaceflight Center had sketched out a plan to build a direct Apollo mission using a string of Saturn I launches.
>>16834268/sfg/ is at church
which happens first, a moon mission (with landing) with full stack SpaceX hardwareor Shartliner completes a single successful mission to the ISS and back without killing people
>>16834295>>16834268you guys weren't working on making the mind of a sentient sun?https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985048731818094950
>>16834309jesus fucking christ man Elon
>>16834309dyson spheres are retarded. we don't see them for a reason
>>16834309He’s so retarded lol
>>16834319he believes in Simulation Theory so yeah
>>16834293High likelihood, honestly
>>16834251Yes.
>>16834309is the Sun going to run on Grok?pic related, it's what you get if you ask Grok to generate an SVG of Jessica Rabbit
>“SpaceX is not going to be able to make this work before 2030,” said Doug Loverro, a former chief of human spaceflight at NASA, expressing a sentiment recently echoed by two prior NASA administrators.Hey why does that name sound familiar.....
>>16834328
>>16834330Scumbag who got fired for sharing SpaceX secrets to Boeing claims spacex isn't going to make it
>>16834330OH YEAHHhttps://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jun/21/nasa-doug-loverro-executive-resignation-boeing>Doug Loverro conducted unauthorized discussions with Boeing while it was bidding for Nasa contract, Washington Post says
>>16834330Stop remembering things:Casey Handmer@CJHandmerIt's absolutely insane that this @nytimes article would quote Doug Loverro saying "I was not firm enough in pushing what I should have pushed" when in fact the reason he abruptly left NASA in May 2020 (after just 6 months on the job) was that he was daughter's providing illicit inside advice to Boeing regarding the Human Landing System contract during the blackout period, despite which Boeing's entry was so poor it was withdrawn. How much harder could he have pushed?
>>16834317I don't think he's talking about Dyson spheres, specifically. Probably just about producing energy from the sun, in general, to power data centers/Ai.
>>16834335After that, Doug was never allowed to suck on the Federal Teat again. Also:https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20250911921699/en/Loft-Federal-Appoints-Space-Industry-Veteran-Doug-Loverro-as-Chairman-of-the-Board
>>16834341he has mastered the craft of saying statements ambiguous enough to be interpreted as more profound than they really are.
>>16834309Elon Musk is dangerous. He isn't even a transhumanist, he is posthumanist.
>>16834347real
>>16834309It ain't me, it ain't meI ain't no sentient sun, sonIt ain't me, it ain't meI ain't no sentient one, no
>>16834309he's lost it. rooting for bezos nowjasonStatham.jpeg
>>16834124oh my god yes spill
>>16834349a dyson sphere existing doesn't mean humans don't exist anymorehe has said he is he is specifically speciest for humans vs some post-human AI intelligence one way for humans to keep up would be to create a new layer of "brain" beyond the cortex by merging with AI, but is that really post-human? humans still in control, and its not going to be mandatory
>>16834309why is everyone losing their minds over this? have you people read the Culture series?full of super intelligent Minds with human living in utopia basically
>>16834365I think the reason for the reaction is that Elon actually does thingsthere's a perceived dissonance between the very real things he's doing and creating a sentient sun
It's over Mars sisters..... Elon Musk don't care about Mars anymore..... He now has a more important thing to do with SpaceX.....
>>16834294Huh ,never seen the pound sign used as a shorthand for actual pounds.
new handmer droppedhttps://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2025/03/14/long-duration-propellant-stability-in-starship/
>>16834377we need to bring that back, I'm bringing that backStarship can launch approx. 10,000# into orbit
>>16834378>new>2025/03/14you triple nigger
Only now we’re finally up against the wall on schedule here, so NASA plans to run the third Orion heatshield test as part of Artemis II, with four astronauts on board. Reid Wiseman, Victor Glover, Christina Koch, and Jeremy Hanson, who have decided to name their spacecraft “Integrity,” will be human guinea pigs for this two decade exercise in profligate waste and shockingly poor program management. Launch FeverLaunch FeverLaunch Fever
>>16834391Shuttle had human guinea pigs
>>16834136The name patches double as suit patches in the event they are tornIf you have a short name you're fucked, sorry
why didn't they just bulk buy hundreds of F9 launches the moment SpaceX demonstrated landing/reuse and do on orbit assembly
>>16834309>sam altman is reckless and he doesn't care if he creates a super intelligence that destroys humanity>im going to build my super intelligence in space where stone aged humans can't possibly reach it, it doesn't have enough electricity on earth
>>16834385>One of the major concerns with using Starship for the Human Landing System is that propellant (cryogenically liquid methane and oxygen) need to a) be transferred in orbit and b) maintained for the duration of the mission, which could be weeks, months, or years. In particular, no astronaut wants to board their Starship after a successful 6 week sortie on the Moon only to find the fuel’s boiled off and they’re stuck.
>>16834377>kids today have never even seen a proper ligatureGuess if one never reads anything printed before the word processor era, that's lost knowledge now.
>>16834400Who?SpaceX began landing boosters in 2015 and people (including myself) were still laughing at spacex as a non-serious contender as late as circa 2017…We have the power of hindsight now but let’s not pretend like everyone saw the F1/early F9 era with crystal clarity. No one realized how fast this company would mobilize, and rockets like SLS and Vulcan and Ariane 6 handwaved SX away and continued on with their more traditional designs
Assume a fully fueled Starship contains 1200 T of propellant. Raptor runs an oxidizer-to-fuel mix of about 3.8:1 (by weight), slightly fuel rich to optimize specific impulse. This means the Starship contains about 250 T of CH4 to 950 T of O2. Liquid oxygen is slightly denser than water, with 1.141 g/cm^3 at its boiling point (90 K) and 1.426 g/cm^3 at its freezing point (54 K). This densification through additional cooling is used on Falcon 9 to increase the fuel loading of the vehicle and further improve performance. Similarly, liquid methane also gets denser as it cools, running from 0.422 g/cm^3 (112 K) down to 0.494 g/cm^3 (91 K). The liquid methane occupies 506 m^3, while the lox occupies 666 m^3, assuming both fuels are fully sub-cooled to a slush state. The propellant part of the Starship occupies 8 m and 10.5 m of the tube respectively. Even though methane is only 21% of the prop by mass, it’s closer to 43% of the overall prop volume. The next step is to determine heat fluxes. There are a number of different environments to consider. First, in deep space, the sun provides about 1400 W/m^2 of heat flux while at Earth’s orbit, though this reduces to about 600 W near Mars. When orbiting a planet, the planet generally shades the sun half the time, but it’s also a source of both reflected light and radiated heat. The Earth’s albedo is ~0.3, meaning about 30% of the light is reflected and 70% is absorbed. That energy is ultimately re-emitted (except for a 0.1% delta contributing to climate change) otherwise Earth would ultimately heat up until it glowed like the sun – a bad time for all involved. It turns out (thanks Archimedes) that the surface area of a sphere is exactly 4x its cross sectional area, so radiated heat is ¼ of 70% of solar flux near Earth (240 W/m^2), while reflected flux is about 420 W/m^2, depending on geometry, when over the daylight side of the Earth. In summary, a Starship in LEO is taking 1400 W/m^2 from the sun + 660 W/m^2 from the
>>16834409kids these days see ligatures every time they have to provide an email for registration somewhere.i had to look up whether @ is a ligature, and it is, but more importantly, its first documented use was in a bulgarian manuscript from 1345, as the a in "amen".pic related.
....>What if we did no active cooling at all? The heat energy required to heat and boil off sub-cooled liquid methane is 584 MJ/T. For LOX, it’s 274 MJ/T. At 300 kW of heating, that’s a loss of 77 T of prop per day. Starships won’t arrive on the Moon fully fueled, but even if they did, they’d boil off completely in just over two weeks. This is non-ideal.>Fortunately, there’s a straightforward way to solve this problem: multi-layer insulation (MLI). 20 layers of space blanket cuts heat flow by up to 99%. Now our unchilled Starship on the Moon only boils off <1 T of prop per day, takes a few years to boil off completely, and more importantly cuts the total heat load from 10x the LEO case to about 10% of it. If we want to get fancy, we can even put an appropriately-sized chiller system on the Starship with a solar array and radiator on a pivot to keep the solar array facing the sun and the radiator in the shade as the sun takes ~29 Earth days to rotate all the way around the horizon. tl;dr- MLI blankets with no active cooling make HLS boil-off completely negligible for Artemis mission timeframes
>>16834410>rockets like SLS and Vulcan and Ariane 6didn't Vulcan and A6 both get delayed by at least two years even without attempting recovery? So much for industry experience.
>>16834415@ isn't a ligature. @ is a symbol.
>>16834410It's not hind sightIt's when spacex landed a booster, and static fired that booster multiple times, any objective person knew things were going to changeI was definitely recommending it at the time too
NB: # is a simplified symbol for the "lb" ligature. And no not looking up the alt keypad code for a proper "lb".
>>16834421fair enough, the only thing in the wikipedia article pointing towards it being one was it being in the ligature category, and that's not something you need citations for.the pound sign's a real one though. i didn't know that either.the only other common ligatures in the digital age that i know of are specific to non-english languages, like the german ß (long s plus z ligature, not to be confused with the greek letter beta), or æ for when you want to make fun of how elon names his children
>>16834294lunar wanders lookin sus
>>16834436One of the ideas that was considered fairly early on in Apollo were open-cab single-seat lunar landers. The astronaut or astronauts would suit up in the capsule, spacewalk to their landers, and descend to the lunar surface in one long EVA. The advantage of this was that the vehicle was very light. The disadvantages were everything else.
>finally open up the handmer article>80 pages of rantinghow do you expect anyone to read this?
>>16834448it's good
I'm reading about the effects of spaceflight on the human body and holy shit I used to meme about alarmists and doomers but radiation and zero-G are serious problems that are preventing us from reaching Mars, and that's before even getting into the psychological aspects.
>>16834454Jelly babies
>let's make our lunar lander stupidly tall>and let's also make it top heavy on a planet with 15% earth gravityWhat are they thinking?!
>>16834454>radiationno>but!LNT is pseudoscience.
>>16834460That it has to be launched into space on top of a rocket
>>16834448Right to left
>>16834050>this is why Anduril seems to have accomplished so much in so little time>they actually do things, engineers are able to talk to middle management and the structure is functional instead of completely dysfunctional>people who don't do anything get firedbruh the only thing they've done is build some test drones that have less capability than missiles from the fucking 1970sAR displays are fucking 1990s tech, r lee ermy even demo'd one on the history channel in 2004, literally aiming a gun around a cornerpalmer is a good hype man but he doesn't understand defense as a concept, just flashy and cool looking things
>>16834460Jeff solves the tipping problem by increasing inertia 10x.
>>16834448
https://x.com/vast/status/1985103408727224552
>>16834478how is this a demo again?
>>16834470sounds a lot like "DC-X already did the thing SpaceX did"until its scalable and actually works outside of demos, it doesn't matterremains to be seen if the AR/VR helmet does this, but some shit tier demos 20 years ago don't make an actually working integrated AR helmet any less good, just like some small test campaign with a reusable launch system doesn't make what SpaceX did with Falcon 9 any less transformative
>>16834479https://www.nasa.gov/directorates/somd/space-communications-navigation-program/technology-readiness-levels/
>>16834479demonstrating that some subsystems work in space?idk
https://x.com/vast/status/1984423602356437112launch NET May 2026
>>16834429neat. never knew that derivationbut do you know where the octothorpe came from?
>>16834424>>16834429fascinating! I figured one of the gay ligatured Apple fonts would retain this, but not even Chancery and Zapfino render # like this>stealth /gd/ thread? in my /sfg/?
>>16834479they are testing systems that will be used on haven 1
>>16834466Kek
I've got the Sunday Blues
>>16834309This has been done before during the War in Heaven and proved more trouble than it was worth.
>>16834481well its objectively true that the military is only giving them trials and all the other big companies directly sell more volume of the same type of products, like why are you arguing if you're ignorant?microsoft is the primary contractor for AR headsets by the DoW, and they started shipping two years ago. just because palmer is competing doesnt mean his products are better because lol they arent
>>16834429/sfg/ - /Symbol Foundations General/
expandable nozzles, cool https://youtu.be/AazmxNs5kmE?t=408
>>16834521Expendable nozzles
>>16834533reusable nozzles!
>>16834535Tory Bruno promised us SMART reuse, why hasn't he delivered? What a conman, we should nationalize ULA.
>>16834539don't worry, once they start being SMART spaceX is toast
>>16834540>that chartAnd people unironically complain about Elon's promises lmao. The funniest part is that nobody gives a shit and they always get away with it, maybe Bory Truno should give Elmo some lessons.
>>16834546the best part is the chart is complete bullshit
>>16834309We are star stuff
>>16834552maybe you
>>16834548Here's the paper describing it. Try not to laugh too much.https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/supporting-technologies/launch-vehicle-recovery-and-reuse-(aiaa-space-2015).pdf>[...] SMART vs Booster Fly Back. The former becomes profitable after a couple of uses while the latter requires ten uses to become profitable. >The difference is mainly because of the 30 per cent performance loss to land the booster downrange on a barge. Using the same rationale, equation, and input data, booster fly back is never profitable in a return to launch site scenario.
>>16834561And here's the famous 'reuse index' equation that they used.
>>16834415I really like that 1 stroke version better than the one we use now
>>16834563Looks good. How come SpaceX gets away with it? It is a scam?
>>16834378>Starships won’t arrive on the Moon fully fueled, but even if they did, they’d boil off completely in just over two weeks.
>>16834580>>16834416
>>16834573The US govt gives Musk money because reasons, subsidies, etc.
>>16834583wait multi-layer insulation is the solution for two weeks?
>>16834591yup apparently, can even throw in active cooling there too, I can hardly believe it though
Interesting pressure effects on this morning's Bandwagon launch
>>16834486so where's the toilet?
>>16834615dragon
>>16834615they use the dragon for the toilet
>>16834600>>16834601what's going on here? was its, err, tail catching fire?
>>16834627I think that's the flow separation effect that skuttled Firefly's last Alpha launch. The rocket isn't going perfectly straight, so it builds up a low pressure region on the leeward side that sucks up hot gasses from the exhaust plume. I think this might be the first really good view we've had of it because this happened to be a night launch headed to an odd inclination.
When Blue Urine Niglin launch?
>>168346356 days i think
>>16834601A lot of shaking going on.
Vast posted a 4k video of the Haven Demo solar array deploymenthttps://x.com/vast/status/1985172207757336810
>>16834639That looked kinda rough lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNB7Cq4vrkkLM-7A launching a mystery payload probably towards geostationary orbit in T-50:00
>>16834224Better than dildos rockets.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxN_vwl4J34isnt this old? did they repost it?
>>16834657T-14:30
>>16834684launched a few minutes late (too bad stream is on a potato)
>>16834657>>16834690>cameramen are random guys with phonesman, the chinese really don't give a fuck lmao
>>16834695this is probably a spysat launch, since there was no announcement of the identity of the payload
>>16834601>>16834633I'd been thinking for a while that max-Q is probably just a meme for current rocket designs and they should just ignore it but I guess this is why they can't.
>>16834700chinks need to ditch commie red for jade green to better align with my vidya and anime depictions of them
>>16834695gweilo aren't technically even allowed to watch
>>16834224
>>16834309He will become one with the sentient sun via neuralink. Grok's current fluctuations are due to him being connected part of the time.
>>16834519Palmer took over the contract from Microsoft you retard, wtf are you talking aboutThis is fucking comical
>>16834710https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39AuRjJ0Gfs
>>16834698https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1985203092200058978>Well this became the latest in so many Galaxy Cat moments of Chinese spaceflight lately as this LM-7A launched at 03:47 UTC appears to have delivered to GTO sth named Yaogan 46. Yes, it's named even in official reports as for "national resources/hydrology/meteorology surveying".Yeah, it's another spy satellite
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985207645901570078>SpaceX will lean in big on the Moon
>duffy is actually a genius who knew exactly what to say to get elon to give a shit about the moon
>>16834710you can't see it in the picture, but von braun is actually held at gunpoint here, that's why he looks so nervous.
>>16834726elon sees a lunar gold rush coming. there's something he knows that we dont.
>>16834734did we just witness a bird dying?
>>16834730>put on the mouse ears
>>16834739Many such cases
>>16834309that's insane
>>16834737>something he knows that we dontthe sentient sun knows
All 258 rockets launched in 2025 so far, chronologically and at scale.
>>16834737Yeah he knows he's about to lose the HLS contract unless he pretends to give a shit about the moon.
>>16834743And of course the same media that calls musk a beetle mass murderer stayed silent when the shittle killed birds left and right lmao
>>16834739Yeah, what a dumbass.
>>16834757It lived in China. Little bro is finally free.
>>16834713Elon is based for this
>>16834309sigh..
>>16834726Let's be very honest again. We don't have a commercially viable lunar economy. Moon Base Alpha may someday come about. It's on the drawing board right now. Mars is real. You've seen the renders. We're building the Starship. We have all the Raptor V3s done, ready to be put on the aft end at Starbase... I don't see any concrete plans for a lunar economy, except that they're going to sell some helium-3 and that becomes the economy. It's not that easy in lunacy.
>>16834774dying on the moon would be so fucking cool, you know, just like slowly bleeding out in the snow.
>>16834752But I was told Elon Musk didn't want to go to orbit anyways with the Starship??!?!
>>16834774Helium 3 is like the single must precious thing we can mine as humans. The moon economy will be exponentially bigger than a Mars economy for a variety of reasons, namely that it's so much closer and easier to get to. The only way Mars will ever catch up is if it's fully terra formed.
New Eager Space video. This time on the harsh reality of the space economy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3aSAjuHdFII feel like I should compile a list of videos and articles on the Space Economy to help anons if they want to invest into space companies.If we're going to the moon then our bank accounts might as well too.
>>16834774There's no "commercially viable summit of Mt. Everest economy" either, but as long as people want to go there, there will be industry based around that.
>>16834792>>16834281>12 hoursgood morning sir
>>16834792based makemake poster
>>16834801It's Mike Brown posting from Planet 9
>>16834624>>16834625Designated shitting module
>>16834615You just hold it until reentry
>>16834615there's a small jettison port, your asshole makes a perfect seal when exposed to the vaccuum of space
>>16834816You don't even have to push
>>16834817
>>16834737Elon sees a way to advertise selling rocket flights to retards who think data centers in leo and quantum computers on the moon are closable business cases. Anything to get the cadence up and pad his pockets.
>>16834797>Eager Space - I've been interested in spaceflight since I was very young, back in the days of project Gemini.So, claiming to be an American -- in his 70s. Guess it's possible.
>>16834820Old people often struggle to imagine paradigm shifts.
>>16834820Eager Ulysses Space was born in the early months of 1964, and his first words were "I want to be an astronaut or maybe someday run an eclectic spaceflight youtube channel". His parents were deeply disturbed by this...Eager remembers watching Neal Armstrong's first walk on the moon and listened repeatedly to a short record (ask your parents) on their hifi (ditto) of the Eagle landing on the moon for Apollo 11, a very thin record that came with an issue of National Geographic on the historic landing.Eager paid lots of attention to Apollo and watched shuttle launches off and on when he could get NASA TV to watch it.Eager has been to one launch intentionally - either STS-133 or STS-134 with offspring who got to skip school to take a trip to orlando - and one accidentally in 2013, when a bike trip on the California coast took us near Vandenberg for USA-245/NROL-65, a Delta IV Heavy launch and we stopped to watch it with some locals.Eager spent his career writing software and retired from a large Redmond-based software company that you *might* have heard of.
>>16834820You can see his face in some old videos70 sounds about right
After Orion is done: buckle the fuck up
>>16834823God boomers are such windbags
>>16834823This guy is an absolute laugh riot!
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985205558811750810
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985204548936556868
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985118170672496972
>>16834876https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985199964100902950
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985187793556111427Raptor 4 under development I guess (probably not the first time Musk talked about this?)
>>16834874Starship protruding very disrespectfully.
>>16834365>ave you people read the Culture series?Culture sucks, Banks is a hack.
>>16834901so you've read it or not?
>>16834365The Culture is a dystopia
>>16834879launch some fucking payloads on starship first elon
>>16834906people are free to leave and colonize random planets if you wish, why do you think its a dystopia? the Minds do not force anybody to live on orbitals or the ships and in fact there are many splinter groups for one reason or another
>>16834909They might be free to leave but they are coddled and conditioned to not want to.
>>16834726https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985285685629407723
>>16834915you're retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxqticZ-l-g
>>16834917Someone should tell him about Mercury. Bepi will prove it.
>>16834940
>>16834919he is somewhat realisticculture Minds keep humans the way you or I would keep a beloved house-pet
>>16834908Did Merlin development continue post Falcon 9 finalization?
>>16834917the moon belongs to rabbit girls, not ai
>>16834817>delta-p(oo)
>>16834701>probably just a memeYeah, it isn't.
>>16834878>https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985207645901570078based antimatter chad
>>16834903>so you've read it or not?I did read it.
>>16835019Well, to be more specific I read Consider Phlebas and The Player of Games.
>>16834701very high accel + high drag effects due to size means that the airframe is forced to withstand the pressure similar to carrying half an entire other rocket for 15 seconds, so you simply can't ignore it.
>>16835020Consider Phlebas is kind of meh
>>16834789Hello newfriend, helium 3 is the ultimate midwit trap. It's the hardest kind of fusion, when we don't even have fusion power working yet, and mining it on the moon is like strip mining a forest to get acorns.
>>16834816>>16834817this is the most /sfg/ solution
>>16834789Current moon mining meme is to turn it into orbital Nvidia chips
>>16834898Starship always mogs the scene, even when shills try to draw it too small.
>>16835039didnt NASA just scrap this concept?
Opening up moon and near earth asteroid mining is the only way to solve resource shortages on earth without making pollution worse.The near earth asteroids have massively abundant resources.
>>16835044the white house tried to but I think Gateway got funded anyway
https://x.com/culpable_mink/status/1985165291807027601
>>16835046>moon miningWe don't even know where anything worth mining is, just seas of regolith.
>>16835054well the regolith differs somewhat in different regionshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon#Elemental_composition
>>16834473Gonna start posting this as a response any time someone says tl;dr
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985318780332122294>Starship V3 flight in January. Big step toward making life multiplanetary
Idk if it was 4D chess on purpose, or a happy little accident; but either way it’s apparent that Duffy re-lit the fire in Musk’s belly for this kind of stuff
>>16835064To that guy who is using his work computer to open X links posted on /sci/ : DON'T OPEN THE LINK
>>16835064>multiplanetary>no mention of: nuclear reactors, nuclear propulsion, plasma enginesLOL!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxN_vwl4J34
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1270061515094155264from 2020
>>16835135the account that has been deleted was Jim Bridenstine (he still has some old account that he hasn't posted on since 2018)
>>16835135/sfg/ has just turned in to “I saw a gay twink say something about this on spitter, guess I’ll repost on 4ch for (you)s!”
>>16835145I post whatever I think is interesting indiscriminately
Makes more sense to use starship to reach low earth orbit, then use solar or nuclear ion to go to the moon.Chemical rockets are only needed for thrust to escape atmosphere. The ISP of solar or nuclear electric ion engines makes them more suitable once ships leave atmosphere.
>>16835151how do you land on the moon?having many different propulsion systems increases the complexity radically
>>16835151What say you if we can more easily launch and refuel a depot or Starship directly, versus having to maintain the infrastructure of a nuclear tug
>>16835157Another vehicle (lander) parked on Moon orbit, of coursh
>>16835151If you've got time. Low-thrust trajectories can take months to get to the Moon from LEO and would spend far too long lingering in the Van Allen belts to be viable for crew transport.
>>16835162so you need 3 vehiclesmaybe that makes sense eventually with enough traffic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oYp3AQqG1U
https://x.com/NICKIMINAJ/status/1985312284340785499
>>16835175Never thought i’d die fighting side by side with a she-boon
>>16835157>>16835159>>16835164Yeah you guys are right. Unfortunately ion drives not high enough thrust:weight for lunar reentry. We are going to need nuclear.>fuel depotIs possible, but thats a lot of launches.
>>16835169It's really fucking easy when you think about itYou launch your "starship", you dock on Earth orbit on some random station, ISS, ISS part 2, whatever.TSA agents help you thru (creating jobs)Then you hop on the ION DRIVE BUS™ to Moon, you dock on the Gateway Station, you again go thru customs and land on Moon via HLS.You can use the ION DRIVE BUS™ system to travel anywhere, doesn't really have to be moon travel.
>>16835174>>16835175We will live in a timeline where Nicki Minaj and Elon Musk have a child together
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1985169720224707018>DEEP-BLUE completed two (10s and 30s) static fire tests of Nebula-1 first stage, powered by 9x20t-thrust Thunder-R1 engines. Orbital launch attempt coming up next
>>16835054On earth, we find minerals and valuable metals where asteroids impact. We know the composition of asteroids. Thus under every crater theres valuable ores.
>>16835190>ion driveyou really want to use metal plasma thrusters since they run on literally just metal powder and that can be made on the moon to refuel it
https://x.com/dpoddolphinpro/status/1985363269368918085>New Glenn-2 has appeared on the FAA Operations Plan Advisory, indicating a launch NET Nov 7th, 19:51 - 21:50 UTC (14:51 - 16:50 EST). This confirms a daylight launch + landing attempt! A backup attempt is listed for Nov 8th, 19:49 - 21:48 UTC (14:49 - 16:48 EST).
>>16835224its happening
>>16835202>that'll teach that stupid launchpad not to fuck with us
Will there be wars on the south pole of the Moon?
>>16835238I could imagine confrontations like in this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1-Gi_l-024
>>16835238in an optimistic future, where any nations besides china make an actual effort to fund a permanent presence there?maybe. but western governments have lost their sputnik shock receptors. they do not perceive being outdone in the space race by china as an actual threat.Chang'e and the ILRS are a lot bigger than a shiny orb going beep beep in LEO, but no extraordinary funding of lunar missions in the west is taking place in response this time.Artemis is no true contender to this, unless a bunch of congressmen make it rain on NASA.
https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1985381973741760575
>>16835224tick tock, muskrats...
>>16835101Bankruptcy
week of nothing but starlinkslopthen suddenly apparently ULA and Nooglin both launching this week
>>16835175She looks like a gorilla in a wig.
>>16835034Ah yes, that screenshot of a random post with no sources and a bunch of assumptions settles it. The experts are wrong if they think we need helium 3! That anon already has it all completely figured out.
>>16835260Does this thing bear any resemblance to the latest renders? (Not mockups, they don't exist yet)
>>16835034Maybe we could use it for balloons?
>>16835034>we don't even have fusion power working yet,and we never will because all of our theories about plasma physics are wrong
>>16835271>That anon already has it all completely figured out.Yes
>>16835255>multiple launch providers driving reusability to lower cost to orbitMultiple? More than one? Who? What alternate universe is Jared living in; the one where haley’s comet has hit the future artemis base camp site, perhaps?
The cost to space is indeed getting cheaper, because Bezos isn’t competitive so he is instead offering to launch payloads such as Escapade for fractions of pennies on the dollar. Real sustainable space economy you’ve got there, America
MARS IS CANCELLED.IT'S MOON FIRST.ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
Fuck Mars.
>>16834878>but how do you slow down at your destination?The destination should already have a laser set up if it's a solar system worth going to. Expensive antimatter will probably only be used for probes
Mars, the Moon, idk so long as I can die offworld.
Fuck 27023 Juuliamoreau
>>16834879>>16834908>payloadsThat's for raptor 5 edition
>>16835303they are gonna put up v3 links as soon as next year. he said as much
>>16834963>the moon belongs to rabbit girls, not aiWhy not Ai rabbit girls? On bikes
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985393270847934664https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/11/capitol-hill-is-abuzz-with-talk-of-the-athena-plan-for-nasa/>In recent weeks, copies of an intriguing policy document have started to spread among space lobbyists on Capitol Hill in Washington, DC. The document bears the title “Athena,” and it purports to summarize the actions that private astronaut Jared Isaacman would have taken, were his nomination to become NASA administrator confirmed.>The 62-page plan is notable both for the ideas to remake NASA that it espouses as well as the manner in which it has been leaked to the space community.Jared Isaacmans 62-page plan for NASA called Athena has been spread among space lobbyists
>>16835306>Isaacman’s nomination was pulled in late May, largely for political reasons. Trump then appointed his Secretary of Transportation, Sean Duffy, to oversee NASA on an interim basis in early July. As a courtesy, in August, Isaacman’s team edited a shorter version of the plan down to 62 pages and gave a copy to Duffy and his chief of staff, Pete Meachum.>According to sources, these were the only copies of the pared-down Athena plan distributed, so the initial leak came from either Duffy, Meachum, or someone acting on their behalf several weeks ago. Since then the document has been percolating among space lobbyists and policy officials. In recent days it has also been leaked to several reporters via multiple channels.
>>16835306>In the big picture, this leak appears to be part of a campaign by interim NASA Administrator Sean Duffy to either hold onto the high-profile job or, at the very least, prejudice the re-nomination of Isaacman to lead the space agency. Additionally, it is also being spread by legacy aerospace contractors who seek to protect their interests from the Trump administration’s goal of controlling spending and leaning into commercial space.Fucking snakes man
>>16835174>every humanWhat did they mean by this?
>>16835312They like to repeat this shit but early 2020 was abysmal with something like 3 humans only in space on the ISS skeleton crew
>>16835306Has it been leaked publicly yet? I want to read it.
>DuffyStatus quo, oldspace, SLS Orion aeturnum, snake, powermonger, political ambition, cares about NASA as a means to his political ends only, will gladly hand the reigns to oldspace costplus grifter contractors and senators (Cruz)He's got to go.
>>16835330I wonder what Trump is waiting for here
>>16835309I hope the mission fails
>>16835330>>16835338Support from senators that serve SLS
>>16835354what mission?
>>16835306KWAB get this slithering faggot outta here. Can’t have your cake and eat it too Mr. Duffy—no way you can keep the old guard happy with bloated contracts and not get embarrassingly lapped by China. The law of equivalent exchange is not subtle here: do you want to continue the previous 20 years of delays and cost overruns to line your friends’ pockets? Then you shall see no results.
>>16835306>nucleoor gatewaybased
>>16835308With boomer politicians, you lose.
>>16835361dont know what's worse, millennial women or elderly boomer men
>>16835362Boomers. They don't give a fuck about the end result. All they care about is max grab for their constituents, end results be damned.It's why we haven't been outside LEO since 1972.
>>16835355but they aren't going to support it? or trump has to do something else for them
>>16835366Trump wants their support for his other plans, so he is being forced to keep SLS
>>16834752WTF, I didn't realise Electron was THAT tiny
>>16835338Trump doesn't give a fuck about space. He thought it'd make him popular in his first term, it didn't really.Now all his attention is spent on chasing a Nobel Peace Prize he'll get the day after Stalin and Hitler share one posthumously.
>>16835371nothing really flashy happened on Trumps first term with respect to space, thats why the public doesn't careit needs to be something substantial and very obvious
>>16835374Demo-1.
>>16835338While overall Trump has been really good, especially compared to what Kamala would have been, he's also an ancient boomer that cares way too much about green line going up. I bet he's afraid Jared will spook the old space markets and there will be endless reports about losing American old space jobs because of Drumpfs pick.
>>16835368That's a firecracker
>>16835375not flashy at all, its just another type of capsule going to the ISSnobody knew it happened or cared about it, many people still probably think that they launch people there with the shuttle
>>16835224https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985403104448094597its over
>>16835379LOL
>>16835379Trvth
>This certainly would threaten traditional space contractors who are now leaking the document.Fuck 'em, after reading that Orion piece they can all go fuck off
Is NASA pork that good?
reminder that Richard Shelby kept orbital refilling tech from happening for decades so that money could be instead funneled into oldspace contractors
>>16835377>5 Electrons inside Starship>Refuel the Starship in LEO>Jupiter direct without any gravity assists and less than 2 years>Launch all the Electron rockets at Ganymede for being gay
https://youtu.be/oSZXeNde3HI
>mooks wants flying carluckily we have a design by an actual genius to aid his team, I'm aware that it needs front side propellers to balance itthis is something out of sci-fi, fuck real life, if I want a flying car I want it to be thorough, not a half ass, this shit could have so much maneuver freedom, micro-adjustments, and some shit I'm not well versed about anyone here in the know can tell me what's good and bad about it?
>>16835391Even your mid-level managers getting $300,000 to 500,000/yr for 15 years for doing jack shit? I’m thinking yeah, these “traditional” contract procurements are highly coveted
>>16835391government pork is government pork, doesn't matter which agency it comes from
>>16835255Private capital betting on a buncha scamsAnd spacex doing their own thing, independent of everyone else
>Trump not rushing to decide on NASA Admin because he's taking his time evaluating how Duffy moves politically and his ambitions if he should ever become a threat to the Vance dynasty this my cope what yours
>>16835431Duffy is actually the best choice because he is street smart, you don't need to know anything about rockets, being street smart is enough.
>>16835431my cope is that Trump and everyone else in the political arena couldn’t give less of a shit about NASA if they tried, this is far from top priority. Hell, it’s even further down than low priority shit
>>16835434Shelby and Cruz are street smart. Your metric is dumb
NASA is completely fucking irrelevant and nothing will change on their end because its locked in by contracts/bureaucracy/organizational cultureYou have to literally fire everyone, bring the average age down to 30 rather than 60 and MAYBE you'll make shit happen
>>16835374>nothing really flashy happened on Trumps first term>whites VS blacks demo-1 launch with black woman twerking.jpgCan't find the image in my 8 thousand image 4chan folder. Not even Samsung galley search can find it
>>16835431My cope is NASA doesn't matter anymore. As of 2025 they are 7% of SpaceX revenue and falling. Their support only serves prestige purposes. Gov't regulation of SpaceX is more important, and is why Elon better kiss Duffy's ass.
>>16835456SpaceX/Elon probably wishes they could dump all NASA contracts, too much bullshit for what its worth
>>16835379>He thinks Sunday is the first day of the weekI knew there was something off about Berger
I love to see /sfg/ cope with so much stuff as of late>mars will be practically impossible to visit>not even 10 starships will be enough for anything at all>we are not going to mars>china will beat us to the moontragical but also comical
>>16835456>>16835474It will start to matter much less once Starship starts delivering V3 Starlinks. The 10X jump in capability means they can improve speeds a lot, cost cheaper, pump more, and grow more customer base. They have ~8M customers, imagine adding another 8 million in the next 3-4 years by beaming down Gigabit speeds. Right now, I get ~250Mbps on avg with my Starlink on any given avg speed, but if they can double, triple the avg speed to Gigabit, thats a huge win to win over a huge chunk of people
>>16835453I don't have the one with the twerking gorilla
>>16835485People are starting to complain about Starlink prices a lot more often now I'm seeing, you think that will let up when V3 starts deploying?
>>16835453>>16835486I remember that, the twerking one was from a separate protest/riot in France not on that day
>>16835489Starlink will lower price to increase demand in particular cell. They've been doing that to rural areas where there's lot more bandwidth to space but not enough people to sign up. In some places in America, its ~$60/m in empty rural areas.
>>16835308Duff really is a snake.
>>16835486Ty saved:^)
There's a shot clock on Presidential temp appointments for them to hold the job without formal confirmation. 210 days, with exceptions. That would mean Duff could stay until beginning of February 2026, based on when he started at NASA. Trump would have to formally nominate and get him confirmed by then or he gets bounced.Frankly no idea how this works for someone double hatting from another confirmed job.
>>16835357>not get embarrassingly lapped by ChinaNot his problem.
>>16835209Lol no. There's one deposit on earth that happens to coincide with an impact that may or may not be related.
You're not going to Mars. you're not even going to the moon. How does that make you feel?
>>16835535To have my feet on the ground.
>>16835535ok I guess
>>16835320>I appreciate the question and understand the desire, but I was asked not to publish it. I assume it will come out in due course.Burger pussied out.
>>16835535I'm not going to space. I'm not going to ISS. I'm not going to Starbase. I'm not going to Florida. I'm not going to Texas. I'm not going to SpaceX. I'm not working for NASA. I've never seen a real rocket outside of the computer screen. It doesn't change anything
>>16835543>I'm not going to Starbase. I'm not going to Florida. I'm not going to Texas. I'm not going to SpaceX. I'm not working for NASA. I've never seen a real rocket outside of the computer screen.you should change these, they're all pretty easy to do
>>16835545well except for working for NASA I guess, that's more than a drive away
>>16835545Maybe one day, I'll take a robotaxi ride, if its cheap enough to go state to state. Otherwise, dont wanna go outside my comfort zone.
>>16835542What a great journalist he is
>>16835545The one in Houston still has soot on it from its burns on the way back to earth and you can jump up and touch it and get your finger smudged with a little history
>>16835553>you can jump up and touch it and get your finger smudged with a little historyDid you do it?
>>16835556Yes and then I accidentally touched my whitewashed jeans and got merlin dust all over my thighs Falcon boosters are so huge in person. I need to make the drive down to starbase eventually. I keep putting it off
>>16835542what a bitch
>>16835543>the Kennedy Space Center Visitor Complex receiving around 1.5 million guests per year.If you don't count repeat visitors, that ends up being a pretty sizable proportion of the national population over a lifetime. You're an outlier.Disclosure: Went as a kid. Got the warning from the tour guide not to go toward the water because of gators.
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1985441166137909327
>>16835564Its a popular tourist location but I'm not a tourist.
>>16835566He's willing to make the sacrifice of not having internet to own Elon Musk for what Trump is doing. What a fucktard. Meanwhile, due to Canada's tantrum, it has cost Canada tens of billions of dollars in damages
>>16835566shit like this is why california lost a ton of jobs that elon created
>>16835570but he is owning the chuds, don't you see
>>16835570Texas has gained like hundreds of thousands of jobs Musk created after California exit from Musk.
>>16835566>Under the contract, Ontario will provide up to $92 million Canadian dollars ($65 million) to reserve Starlink capacity for Ontario and cover hardware and installation costs for 15,000 homes, and a plan to engage Indigenous communities. The kill fee ends up being free money, so Elon least hurt in this.
>>16835542Nah, I get itHe has absolutely no way to prove it came from Isaacman and it would make him look like a huge tool for falling for whoever leaked it's lie
>>16835566This man is brave and could be president someday. We don't negotiate with Elof Hitler
>>16835567>Posts in space thread>Refuses to do space stuff
>>16835583Discussion of space activities is what matters in an online anonymous thread.
>>16835579many of the people might still buy starlink anyway, just un-subsidized
>>16835570Their new "one time" wealth tax is killing what's left of their tax base. Incredible governance
>>16835586Nta but you should visit a rocket garden, anon. Alamogordo has a nice little one.
>>16835587they probably have starlink alreadyjust wanted gibs
>>16835595Nah
>>16835566I love living in a world run by petty retards
>>16835597Well then you are lost
>>16835587Weirdly, it looks like the Ontario plan just covered free equipment costs. The monthly was paid by the users.Compare to the New York Starlink gibs, with free equipment and a $15/$20 monthly.
>>16835602exif data scrub moment
>>16835595>Alamogordo has a nice little one.Source?
>>16835603these injun communities are fly in onlyeverything is 10x the price since you have to pay whitey from toronto to fly 8 hours north
>>16835135>forward thrusters on lunar starship>stabilize when landing in high windshuh?
We need to move this forum to China if we want to be a part of space victory
>>16835607It's in Alamogordo
>>16835610The whole "no atmosphere on the moon" is a government coverup. It has a normal atmosphere like earth.
New Mexicans are something elsethe live like cattle in the desert and have impressive museums displays
>>16835623Dependent on the society we build, except for all of the parts that refuse to change with peerage, socioeconomic status, or nation.
>>16835306>i won't let you see this alleged document that is supposedly circulating, but i'm still going to write an article about it
>>16835357who's the snake? it seems to me, that the snake is the guy who's writing about an alleged document that was allegedly leaked by duffy, but won't let anyone see the alleged document which totally exists and totally was leaked by duffy
>>16835338He's holding out to see how much additional money he can get Musk to "donate" to get Isaacman nominated
>>16834365A Culture style society is fiction, and a real future with super intelligent AI is not likely to look anything like it
>>16835639Are you lost?>>>/pol/
>>16835623criminals are just victims of the society ~we~ built bros
>>16835639CRINGEWhat are you talking about? Log out of Discord and never post again.
>>16835579It would be even more free money if the contract went through. The marginal cost of providing additional Starlink services to Ontario is close to zero.
>>16835648it was a gibs program for injuns, not to elon, idiot
>>16835580yet he still wrote an article about it
>>16835649So what? The point was to provide internet services, so the money would in the ended up in Elon's pocket in the end
>>16835652*would've
>>16834535I always enjoy how they didn't even bother to put actually put the engines in the render and just slapped two jpegs on top in ms paint.
>>16835068More likely is that the reason we've seen so much noise from Musk on this issue recently is that Duffy has successfully been derailing Isaacman in the corridors of Washington, and so Musk launched a public pressure campaign as a last ditch effort to overrule Duffy
>>16835652cancellation fee which will be more than they woulda profitted originallyAnd now these people still are going to buy starlink at a premium
>>16835569>He's willing to make the sacrificeHe's not the one making the sacrifice, he's just the one ordering it.
>>16834573I don't know if you've noticed, but Falcon 9 boosters are reused more than 10 times
>>16835663>cancellation fee which will be more than they woulda profitWhy? As I wrote, the marginal cost to SpaceX of providing the service is close to zero. The satellites are going to be flying over Ontario whether there are any customers or not. Additional revenue is almost pure profit.
>>16835569The fact that you're making a sacrifice by abstaining from a product is true in any boycott. If you didn't want the product in the first place, it wouldn't be a boycott. Of course, the sacrifice is greater the worse the substitutes are.
>>16835648also Canadia is in the sweet spot latitude where most of the satellites turn around
>>16835672Isn't that pretty wasteful of propellant?
>>16835673>propellant
>>16835677the post he's replying to uses the phrase "turn around" and the webm makes it look like they are actually bouncing off an invisible ring around the poles like the dvd logo.
>>16835607I went to Alamogordo.
>>16835566kek, what a surprise. also, this reminds me, does anyone remember this?https://cleantechnica.com/2025/03/10/billionaire-carlos-slim-cancels-22-billion-in-starlink-orders-due-to-elon-musks-outburst/>Musk insinuated in January that Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim was significantly involved with drug cartels in Mexico.>Slim decided his giant telecoms company, América Móvil, would no longer need to spend $22 billion on Starlinks in the next few years. Initially, just about 5 minutes after Musk’s tweet, Slim canceled a $7 billion Starlink order.>“More than money, Musk lost his main partner in 25 countries, in addition to giving up all that territory to companies of his competitionit was all over the news, even though nobody had any source or confirmation for the story lmao
HLS is the realisation of pre-Apollo spaceship concepts.
>>16835680It would seem that he general level of orbital mechanics knowledge in /sfg/ is being seriously diluted by tourists. It's already bad enough that we get ayystroonomy crap posted here now.
>>16835673Starlinks have pretty short lifetimes for this very reason.
>>16835686Its fake shit. Media chases clickbait fake articles about Musk 24/7, particularly the negative ones. There's zero proof of Mexican cartel buying 200 billion worth of Starlink orders. Thats why you cant trust shit.
>>16835673Yeah, it would be pretty sweet if they somehow could turn around automatically at the latitude matching their orbital inclination
>>16835692von Braun dreamed of putting a banana in orbit
>>16835626I want to leave this place so badly
>>16835711He was putting together a team
>>16835714Topkek
>>16835626They have some astronomy oriented communities I've been very interested in for when I retire or at the very least remote hosting one of my telesclopes.https://nmsouthernskies.comhttps://nmskies.com
mcculloch status?
/sfg/ what's your favorite type of ficital spaceships? Mine are the USNC ones since they are the most realistic of what they can be in the next 100 years.
I'm still bullish on $LUNR IM-3 mission success if it fails then we will need wider asses
Sell all your rocket lab stock NOW
>>16835733Still collating
>>16835739I like the UNSC ships, not strictly because I believe they are realistic but the Halo universe in general tickles my autism for things that work under duress.A cut in half Forward Unto Dawn still had enough working systems to be dangerous The Interstellar Endurance does the same thing.Last 2 starship flights have outright been pornographic
>>16835758Pretty much, compared all to the sci-fi shows out there, those ships look more realistic and I think personally if space travel gets more advanced, get ideas from them. But I do want to add that when the game was being made and drafted, SpaceX wasn't a thing and ideas were not as that much realistic.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/03/jared-isaacman-confidential-manifesto-nasa-00633858politico has the manifesto
>>16835759One thing I did enjoy also was that during Reach both the sabers and the Autumn has to be assisted by either chemical rockets or something that was clearly much less efficient but higher thrust. This is something "realistic" and still dealt with today with SRBs assisting HLOX and MLOX engines. Some day MLOX will probably lift future nuclear ships
>>16835535YOU aren't. I'M going to fuck the Moon.
>>16835759>when the game was being made and drafted, SpaceX wasn't a thingahhh, I call that the 'SpaceX effect'. They have completely and utterly shattered every single paradigm in the space industry that if a piece of sci-fi or futuristic media doesn't, at the very least, mention them, then it becomes completely unrealistic (in the pessimistic sense). Case in point, The Martian: you have to come up with your own headcanon as to why SpaceX doesn't show up and solve everything in one go.
flight to the moon when?
>>16835773Another good example comes with Starlink: nowadays you can't use the convenient plot of 'not getting any signal' when the serial killer comes for you, since you now have internet anywhere in the world thanks to the muskrat in chief. That's why some horror movies have to be set in the 90s now lmao.
>>16835778except Greenland because they're corrupt as fuck and starlink is illegal because it goes against the state-run telecom monopoly.
>>16835782>Starlink being illegal in Greenlandhuh, you made me go into quite the rabbit hole.https://old.reddit.com/r/greenland/comments/1o3bmed/internet_in_ilulissat/https://old.reddit.com/r/greenland/comments/1hvigba/whats_the_status_of_using_starlink_in_greenland/look at these cucks, they'd rather get stuck with 90s internet than giving a penny to musk lmao
>>16835770Oh yeah, the what's-its-face maneuver that involved basically the orbital dynamics equivalent of a drive by
>>16835773>you have to come up with your own headcanon as to why SpaceX doesn't show up and solve everything in one go.The only thing that would really change the Martian is a company like SpaceX would otherwise have zero issue affording launches and you'd git rid of the entire China cooperation arc.In a commercial age there would also be less NASA lookalike hardware.The whole plot would say the same. The survival story would be relevant in the early days of mars missions with no permanent presence and limited surface hardwareIt might even have made for a more interesting story as a cargo starship lookalike landed ahead of time might straight up be empty because of boiloff
Berger and Zubrin going at it on twitter lol
>>16835797link NOW
>>16835739I kinda like the ships in deltav: rings of saturn.to preempt any shilling accusations, I got the game for cheap in a humble bundle, and i'm not sure if the full price is warranted.that being said, it's a space mining simulator in a near future setting, where you are one of many space miners in the rings around saturn.there's a space station near enceladus, where you go to refuel, sell your resources, and upgrade or replace your mining barge.said mining barge is essentially a big metal box, a reactor, and a few nozzles, through which hot reactor coolant(water) is ejected.the ore bay has beak-like excavator jaws, which you can open to swallow bite sized pieces of asteroids, and those asteroid bits can then be further processed inside your ship, if you have the necessary ship upgrade.refining ore, besides reducing your encumbrance from useless rocks, also allows you to extract water from ice, to use as coolant/propellant and extend your trip.what i enjoy about those ships, is how trashy and near-future they look and feel.all reactors, engines, and weapons(which are not the main part of the game) are either currently existing tech, or things that could conceivable exist within the next 100 years (i.e. fusion reactors and zero gravity ore refineries.used your thruster too much? now the coolant isn't hot enough anymore and you have to wait a little bit.you're barreling towards an asteroid and can't slow down because you spent all of the hot water on accelerating? shouldn't have done that.missed a mass driver shot on an asteroid? that thing's gonna keep going for a while, and someone might get hit and complain.pic related is the starting ship with its jaws open.
>>16835789they are working on an agreement. in the meantime a doctor was fined for using his starlink dish for telemedicine in Nuuk. it's stupidity beyond belief
>>16835711
>>16835797I hope they livestream it or make the whole call public.
>>16835816we have to protect her at all costs.
>>16835804https://x.com/robert_zubrin/status/1985518433908506782look at those replies
>>16835819>mommy and daddy are fightingMan, I miss pre-Ukraine Zubrin.
>>16835827I was just about to say. Between covid and Ukr, it fried his brain lol
>>16835816What is Clear's take on this situation?
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1985525768051703905>Pallas-1's first stage has completed the static fire test.
>>16835824I cant I dont have xitter on my laptop
>>16835839https://xcancel.com/robert_zubrin/status/1985518433908506782next time replace x.com with xcancel
>>16835840Oh thank you I always forget what the nitter replacement was called
>>16835739The BC-303. gray, boxy and phallic as god intended.
>>16835739>most realistic of what they can be in the next 100 years.assuming no black swan events happen within the next 2 or so years of course
>>16835833>What is Clear's take on this situation?throost away
>>16835849oh, I thought you were banned....
>>16835849my wife is so athletic...
>>16835853every repost is a repost of a repost, faggot
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1985536659795165253>Let's examine the progress these maiden flight plans.>CZ-8A: 4 launches already>CZ-12A: 2nd stage fire. pending for the 1st>ZQ-3: 1st stage fired twice, prep for launch>TL-3: 1st stage fired. ? 2nd stage, prep for launch>Gravity-2: engine fired, the rocket said to be ready in 25>Hyperpola-3: engine fire, tank ready>YXZ-1: Done a VT Sea Landing test. the rocket said to have it's maiden flight in 26.>LJ-2:1st & 2nd stage fired, prep launch>Pallas-1: 1st & 2nd stage fired, prep launch>Nebula-1: 1st & 2ed stage fired, prep launch>Ceres-2:Already at JSLC
>>16835865it's quite impressive what china is doing. I wonder when they'll get their first reuse done.
>>16835865is there NO other way to do landing legs besides Falcon 9 style? like come on china
there's alot of politcal intrigue around the nasa admin job. i wonder if they'll make a movie out of it one day.
>>16835876There's enough vehicles lined for them to have a chance of pulling off a landing before the end of the year. If they don't get it by 12/31, then they'll definitely get it sometime in the first half of next year. A lot of the companies that are lining up their first sets of flight hardware have their second rockets most of the way through production.
>>16834213smaller with stargazer
>>16835898I wonder how many people at NASA look at this plan and think>This is fine
>>16835911>
Artemis will have the first fatalities in space.
>>16835919All of these plans seem laughably cubersome if you just want to go to the moon and back (and doing it thrice, probably less trimes).Dunno if I should pray for the astronauts safety or for their demise for NASA to wake up.
>>16835877100% 60s style finlegsDo it China
Why is Sirius twinkling SO MUCH jesus christ what is it about the light from this star that turns it into a rave through the atmosphere, it just flashes between blue and red for me
>>16835481How can it not be?
>>16835931The first day of the week is Monday
>>16835928https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jx6CSYzjKd4
>>16835928anon... thats not sirius...
>>16835932Only if you're soulless.
>>16835937Saturday and Sunday are the WEEKEND
>>16835926they're not? lots of people have layovers at airports, bus stations, train stations, etc. this is no different.
>>16835949It's cumbersome in the sense that they want to build all of this infrastructure at an increasingly large expense with not much scientific gain. There's no need to build a space station around the moon.And that's not to say about the fuel transfers on orbit.
>>16835960 (me)>There's no need to build a space station around the moon.For landing on the moon I mean.
>>16835937There's no good argument for Sunday being the first day. Go ahead and try.
>>16835974don't engage with that anon, he's schizophrenic.
>>16835974It's more comfy
>>16835974it's all the way to the left on my calendar
>>16835974The Sun comes first, then the Moon. Thus, Sunday Monday.
/sfg/ - /Sunday is First General/
https://x.com/DrPhiltill/status/1985539096878407777>Over the years Elon has evolved the concept on how to pay for Mars settlement, and I think his posts yesterday and today should be interpreted in that context. The evolution:1. (2016 Guadalajara) Settlers will sell their homes on Earth to buy tickets to Mars. 2. (2017 Adelaide) Starship (BFR) will raise funds by doing point-to-point transportation on Earth.3. (October 2018 Twitter) Elon stated that his personal wealth (Tesla, etc.) is earmarked to pay for Mars as bridge funding. 4. (May 2019 Starlink press conference) Revenue from Starlink is tied to paying for Mars settlement. 5. (A few days ago on X) Starlink will not be just an internet relay, but a distributed AI compute system. 6. (Yesterday and Today) Elon leans further into space-based compute and lunar resources to build it. I think this formula (all of the above) will easily pay for Mars. I mean, building it won’t be easy at all, but the upside of space-based AI is unbounded, so Mars funding should be covered easily by this plan. I have long believed that economics will be the hardest part of Mars settlement — not radiation or gravity or technology — and I honestly think the economics can now be seen as a solved problem.
>>16836034P2P will never be viable
>>16836034people are still going to have to sell their house and maybe more if they want to afford a ticket
>>16836034I don't think that Elon Musk will spend much for Mars colonisation. Every dollar he spends on Mars is one less for his AI/robotic/space data center dream, which makes him less competitive and less influential. There will be probably some sort of Mars colonisation but it will be slow and only a side project.
reddit turned on isaacman after he was outed as being against nasa monitoring climate data in the athena report. duffy is going to stay on and we're going to suffer for it.
>>16836078duffy is inside a government building, correct? which one?
>>16836045That would be the best business plan the world has ever seen: robbing gullible people of all they have to send them to die on Mars.
>>16836093not a lot of repeat customers
>>16835877Why change something that works?
>>16836093their names will be etched into history. their faces will be remembered by martian children.
>>16836078Do you seriously believe reddit holds any sway on this matter?
>>16835932traditionally it's Sunday, you're thinking of the "work week"
>>16835824>>16835839
>>16835974You're just biased because calendars put them togetherSunday at the left and Saturday at the right and suddenly week-ends make more sense
>>16836125The weekend is at the end of the week.Simple as. It's not "Saturday is one of the week-ends, Sunday being the other"Saturday and Sunday together are the weekend.
>>16836118release the fucking epst- isaacman files
>>16835974It's all relative to your frame of reference.Monday (moon day) is the first day of the lunar week.Sunday [...] is the first day of the solar week.Thursday (terra's day) is the first day of the earth week.
https://x.com/DrPhiltill/status/1985524728132411509>In case you weren’t paying attention, in the past 48 hours, the world’s greatest Von Braunian (Elon) has embraced O’Neillianism. Lunar manufacturing. Mass drivers. Massive industry outside a planetary gravity field. All this and Mars, too. Wasn’t on my bingo card for 2025.https://x.com/peterrhague/status/1985600097187401932>Normies don’t understand this is like the Pope converting to Islam.
>>16836149>omgggg elon embraced practical uses of space for manufacturing and industryand? It's not really that complicated. not like elon embraced oneill cylinders, that would make him retarded
>>16836152Actually caring about industrializing the moon is pretty big, seems like the napkin math on the solar panels and data centers does work because previously it was just about a research base
>>16835588Not a united statian, but my understanding is that it's unconstitutional and would be overturned by the supreme court. It's more of a purity test.
>>16836156There might be ways to structure so it's not unconstitutionalRisky to stsy in California as a resident
>>16836153when you have the capital afforded by starlink, a lot of business cases close
>>16836152Yeah Elon remains committed to working on a planetary surface, which is the sane option.The moon is a planet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8k6IeBMGQc
>>16836149took me a minute to realize, that with Von Braunian he means his mars obsession, not the salute he did that one time.i'm glad if he got over that, the other one clearly makes you better at launching rockets, and he should keep doing it.
>>16836211von Braun wasn't really a nazi, I think he was more an opportunist and being friendly with the governing powers and just wanted to launch rockets
>>16836034https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985581987529130381>Yes
>>16836213yeah, it was the context that did it for me.pardon me for seeing a tweet mentioning elon in the same breath as an ex SS guy, and expecting it to be like all the other tweets comparing elon to various nazis.
>>168360347. (Few years forward) Elon realizes he will have much greater influence on the future if he just keeps chasing what Earth economics rewards him for, Mars relegated to a side project
So why can't Starship just do Artemis by itself again? Why is Orion/more moving parts necessary?
>>16836118>ZuZu trying to be somebody again.He should just accept he's no longer relevant -- if he ever was -- and just fade away.
>>16836102>remembered by martian children.The Martian children with brittle bones from low gravity and retardation from cosmic radiation? They won't be able to even remember their own names.
>>16836190Moon's gravity is too negligible, we are almost certain a long term human presence isn't doable.If you go for rotating environments it's o'neil cylinders without the advantages.
>>16836232It's perfectly fine for industrialization. And there are resources there.
>>16835686This was retarded. The reason people said this was because after slim cancelled the contract they looked at elons net worth and saw it went down by 22 billion and attributed that entirely to slim.
>>16836224it can>Why is Orion/more moving parts necessary?its for porkall of artemis exist for porkSLS, Orion, Gateway, everything is for pork
>>16835768>Critics argue that such a move misunderstands the nature of scientific funding, since science, by its nature, isn’t a commercial venture."Also, thanks for funding my science, that I will now spin off into a commercial venture I own."You don't hate scientists neatly enough.
Bessent gave Elon that black eye. Probably manhandled that freak kekwhttps://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1985518128902590835
>>16836244
>>16836240What's NASA's public reasoning for using both together?
>>16836248Starship didn't exist when the Artemis program was started, I think NASA is basically pretending that Starship doesn't exist for the most part
>>16836244>>16836245>flashbacks to his South African school days getting beat up by huwhite kids
>>16836252and in a sense they are somewhat right, its not operational yetbut the pretending is mostly due to politics, if you rock the boat you get firedthe people deciding and controlling NASAs budget (senators and congressmen) want money to go to their districts, be that a specific NASA centre or some oldspace contractor due to jobs and the votes that brings
>>16836248NASA let Orion pork up until it was too heavy for SLS to send an Apollo style Cap and Lander. So, Gateway in a sperg orbit was required as a way station. Don't think NASA even bothered with a justification beyond "we gotta". Failure was designed into the plan.
>>16836254its not a good idea to piss of Muskhe won't forget this even if he calmed down for the time being
>>16836060Except he's already privately funding the largest space program in the world you fucking retard
>>16836214
>>16836231Mars ain't the kind of place to raise a kid.In fact it's cold as hell.
>>16836274Kill yourself
https://x.com/clearusui/status/1985579089470898481>めぐるとごももとくりあとかかぽとらでん(画像順)...>北白川亭...ご...め...??りあ?>宇推亭かごめ???>#らでんちゃんと美術
>>16836287@grok is this real
>>16836287>missing the last wordbrb kms myself
>>16836287I would fill her with cum
https://x.com/RedwireSpace/status/1985488832330940439https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWGnfvhseFU>How Elon Musk Blew Up NASA’s Leadership Battle
>>16836293LLM summary
>>16836293https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985695217966858502RedWire is also a client of lobbyist company the Artemis Group run/owned by Jim Bridenstine
based
>>16836290Yes, that’s a genuine clip from a popular VTuber cycling event in Japan. The low-angle shot captures the authentic physics of the ride quite accurately.
>>16836293Rewire is subtarded
>>16836294>please give me moneylonger summary>In a podcast interview, former NASA associate administrator Mike Gold discusses the heated U.S. space race against China, defending acting NASA head Sean Duffy's push to reopen the Artemis lunar lander contract amid delays with SpaceX's Starship and potential competition from Blue Origin, while praising Jared Isaacman's poise as a renomination contender, emphasizing the need for political savvy over technical expertise to secure funding and beat China to the moon by 2029 through streamlined procurement and infrastructure like the Gateway station—though as of November 2025, Duffy remains interim administrator amid ongoing White House deliberations.pic related is a one page summary
>>16836290No, the shadows on the bicycles don’t align with the sunlight direction, and the tire treads leave inconsistent patterns on the path.
>>16836294>We shouldnt be fighting>China is focus>SpaceX should be cancelled for the good of America>Elon Musk should be thankful>Also, we're totally not a SLS lobby group
Why don't the Gateway shills just pivot to an ISS successor and lobby for gibs for that?
quotes defending the existence of Gateway
>>16836302because those are run by individual companies already and the Gateway shill companies are probably not those companies or working with them
>>16836299>>16836301I meant that the summary in that tweet was generated.
>>16836304>5 to seven days without gatewayChat is this true??
https://x.com/spacex/status/1984885305841799452>New footage of Falcon 9 launching the Bandwagon-4 rideshare mission to orbit
In the words of based coomer Casey>The fact that [SLS] is 100 times too expensive is a feature, not a bug. Because the whole purpose of this exercise was to spend a shitload of money and make a shitload of money for key constituencies. It's not even where the real money is made. This is not Medicare-level, scam-level money. This is ripping-off-NASA-level money. It doesn't even fund that many semi-corrupt people, right? It's a neat little racket for the people involved, but it's not a huge amount of money in the grand scheme of things. It's like tens of billions a year, not trillions of dollars a year. It's small fish.
>>16836310looks more like new shepard
https://youtu.be/HwYTk6jf2Vw
>>16836304>Mike Gold is a former NASA Associate Administrator for the Office of International and Interagency Relations. He was also responsible for providing strategic direction to the Office of General Counsel and supporting NASA’s LEO Commercialization efforts. Prior to joining NASA, Mr. Gold was the Vice President of Civil Space at MAXAR Technologies, and was also General Counsel for the company’s Radiant Solutions Business Unit. Additionally, Mr. Gold spent 13 years at Bigelow Aerospace. Mike is also Trans -- if that matters.The Pig goes "Oink Oink!"
>>16836323>Mr. Gold spent 13 years at Bigelow Aerospacekek
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985460382476222824
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985544275787202877
>>16836334>That said, a self-sustaining city on the Moon, while not as resilient to calamities that affect Earth as Mars (due to its proximity to Earth), is probably nonetheless worth the doing, in addition to Mars.okay now its a city on the moon, not just a science base or even industrial exploitation but a city
>>16836334>much more important things to do in space before building a city on Mars>such as 3/4 things that don't meaningfully contribute to advancing spaceflightnice phd
>>16836334Aaaaand then there’s always his pseud arguments. Elon gets a pass because he’s the only one seriously building up the infrastructure needed to put man on Mars. But that doesn’t excuse his retarded redditbrained theories. Even bigelow sometimes seems to be more grounded with his belief in ayys
>>16836336>>16836343jello babies: moon edition
>>16836343the calamities he is talking about is communism
The most important thing right now is to send monkeys to space, we need to make HUGE space stations for them.
>>16836343>noooo hes doesnt believe what I belive, he's retarded!!!
>Elon's face when when >when the asteroid hits Mars(it was not safer from space calamity than Earth-Moon)
>>16836356good morning sir
The asteroid meme doesn't really have any substance. We'd now it's coming and could yeet some nuke-armed Starships at it to divert it no prob.Space colonization is its own reward.
>>16836359the point is to have redundancymuch smaller chance that both earth and mars are hit at the same time instead either one by itself
>>16836361Same chance as asteroid hitting Starbase on earth.
>>16836361you need to have enough space activity to be ready and have the tech to do an asteroid divert in the timeframe necessarycolonizing mars will make sure that tech and operational capability exists
>>16834121/sfg/ discord is going crazy right now...
>>16836375Trannies? What does that have to do with /sfg/?
Why don't we have a PlaneX company that makes Ace Combat superplanes?
>>16836389I'll make the logo
>>16836389Humans are involved in the equation less and less as time marches on. The future is autonomous fighters and drones all connected to starshield
>>16836389we do, it’s just that Burt Rutan didn’t see quite the same commercial success as Elon.
>>16836396Burt found his calling nonetheless and got to make a bunch of niche interesting shit for scaled composites
https://x.com/Kemp/status/1985712703374319863
>>16836404Breaking news: worst scammer you know somehow still at it, scheming more than you thought humanly possible
Scott Tingle has reportedly replaced Joe Acaba as chief of the astronaut office down at JSC. Not sure why the change was made, perhaps political? Acaba is a geologist-astronaut who was seen as an Artemis-aligned choice back in 2023. This role manages crew assignments for Artemis missions.
Artemis III astronauts will be blonde woman and black man
>>16836393ASATchads won bigly
>>16836418Victor Glover should have been the Artemis III guy.Now I’m hoping the actual downselection will be NASA’s Matthew Dominick and JAXA’s Ayu Yoneda for the Moon. It would be so funny to see the “first woman and person of color” quota be met by a japanese woman lmao
>>16836416That means he's set his assignment for the lunar surface
>>16836426
>>16836426kek yes and then all the leftist seethe about how she doesn't "really count" as a PoC, oh it would be glorious
Atlas V Rollout + Starship Launch Mount Rollout!It's rollout day alright on the Space Coast.Watch live
>>16836416https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985735248395579849
>>16836343>ven bigelow sometimes seems to be more grounded with his belief in ayysAnon they are here and walking among us
can someone give the discord link? i got banned.
>>16836428AEIOU Yoneda, imagine the seethe from china. Plus canada and ESA would be butthurt (Japan is our true greatest ally and deserves the coveted Artemis III seat before them)
>>16836434Wait wtf Reid Wiseman assigned himself to the Artemis flight roster? Kek based, can’t say I blame him
>>16836434Assigning yourself to the artemis 3 landing is kind of a scumbag move, not gonna lie. I hope that’s not what’s going on here.
>>16836436It's in the pastebin.
>>16836441Wouldn't you do it if you could? I would, it's the fuckin' moon.
>nobody posted the chinese space station grilled chicken videoyou're in denial.spacex needs to put a proper oven on HLS or it's over.
>>16836445Very forgiving of you to assume that was chicken
>>16836034When did people start calling computing "compute"? It sounds so gay, I'm allergic to this type of corpo jargon, yeah man we here at startup.io are committed to deliver scalable sustainable compute solutions, shut the fuck up nigga you're not even saying anything
SpaceX could send up an xStation in a month and yet they won't.
>>16836448Kek based department line 1
>>16836448They're two different words.
>>16836448b2b SaaS scaling compute inference on the blockchain
>>16836452It sounds mega gay either way so I'm still right in any case
>>16836448When AI was called ML and there were less hype faggots mostly engineers they were already calling it that.
>>16836445why don't you post stuff yourself nigga
>>16836448but computing and compute are different thingscompute is computing hardware or the computing capability, not the same as "computing"
Sorry but space isn’t for all and America needs to adopt a zero-tolerance policy to ensure chinks can’t even step foot on the Moon period
>>16836454>>16836460
>>16836454whats your preferred word for the concept then?>>16836456ML is a subset or subarea of AI
>>16836463>>16836454
>>16836462amerigolems are failing to contain China in general
>>16836460>compute is computing hardwareIsn't that a computer
>>16836467My post was idealist. I agree with you though. I’m pretty certain a majority of congress don’t actually care right now if China “beats” us back (and it would be a huge strategic failure if this happens)
>>16836428aeiou
it's overhttps://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/04/norway-sovereign-wealth-fund-rejects-elon-musks-1-trillion-pay-deal.html
>>16836471Norway? More like "no way".
>>16836460>compute is computing hardwarewrong. when they say compute they mean the abstract concept of FLOPS not any particular hardware.
>>16836471Is it realistic to expect Starlink revenue could one day overtake any gains from Tesla and that it would be fine, at some point, for Musk to walk away from Tesla?
>>16836471>1.14%
>>16836471musk is finnished
>>16836471Nothingburger. They voted against Musk's wishes previous years too and Musk prevailed.
Big Z the enemy of Z is back on board.
>>16836471>Norwayi hate that country so much
Would you prefer if Orion killed the Artemis II crew? I think it would be funny desu
>>16836483nah, even if it boosts Duffys image
>>16836474I can understand why they would not want to refer to their businesses as flops, but that would still be more dignified
>>16836483Someone somewhere would find a way to frame it as Elon Musk's Delayed SpaceX Moon Capsule Forces NASA To Kill Astronauts
>>16836462gweilo can't stop the Chinese Century
>>16835672Where's the polar orbit starlinks?
>>16836483musk will be somehow blamed for it.
>>16835673we wont need propellant where we're going in the Quantized Inertia future
>>16836491>>16836496Not my problem
>>16836471Foreign government ownership of Tesla was a mistake. A hostile foreign government.
>>16836497>Canadianopinion discarded
>>168364711% voting share. Too large for foreign gov voting control
>>16835813>doctor was fined for using his starlink dish for telemedicine in NuukHow much longer until we don't even need to pysop Greenland into the US?
>>16835877There's the new shepherd ones
>>16836471>Tesla Inc. is prepared to name a new chief executive officer from inside the company if shareholders reject Elon Musk's proposed $1 trillion pay package and he steps down.doesn't look good
>>16836511Not even close to what's happening. He's on record stating he will sandbag Optimus if not granted sufficient voting control. He would never willingly relinquish his CEO status.
>>16836224I could see Orion being used as a life-boat in an Apollo 13 situation, and maybe re-entry (if you believe that Orion is capable of safely re-entering and think that Starship can't). Otherwise, Spacex is really close to being capable of going to the moon all by itself.
>>16836514>Otherwise, Spacex is really close to being capable of going to the moon all by itself.You say this with much confidence. In what capacity though? Enough to get humans there on a starship alone? Or with the help of dragon? They can’t exactly do this yet
>>16836516Hence it's "close" and not "ready", they still need to prove that starship can land safely, prove their fuel transfer system, make a whole life support system for starship and that's all on the top of my head. But all of those are achievable with the rate of development they have.See >>16835898 cut the Orion capsule out of the equation and add a dedicated re-entry vehicle (or put starship on leo and use dragon for re-entry).
>>16836513Yep, musk can scale robots in his other companies if need be. Without secure voting power/influence, he doesnt want to do much with robots in tesla.
>>16836483I think my ideal scenario is that the heat shield suffers even more damage than the first time but the crew survives, cementing the idea that spaceflight is easy actually and stop being such a little bitch about safety.
>>16836224Neither starship or dragon can handle the entry heating from the return trip from the moon
>>16836504Someday normies will need to wake up to the self evident facts about race
>>16836514Starship can't go from LEO to lunar surface and back to LEO without refueling in lunar orbit. Sure Spacex coud do the whole thing but it would require shitload of tankers
>>16836523Neither can orion.
>>16836520I don’t doubt that they could figure it out in the next 5 to 6 years. It’s just currently not in their itinerary for “things to do” though.Orion will unfortunately be extended (likely on SLS) unless someone at Congress and/or within NASA explicitly requests ways to off board Orion on to another vehicle or pursue commercial options for getting astronauts to and from the Moon without orion.SX can do it, I’m not sure they *will* do it soon. Yes SS will eventually do all of this but probably not in a competitive sense before Artemis III or China getting to the Moon fiest
>>16836527Starship can leave lunar orbit, in Artemis 3 the Starship is supposed to go into heliocentric orbit after the crew goes back into Orion.
>>16835789You can stay there next time, redditbro.
>>16836531Why do humans offload their trash in to heliocentric orbit. Seems disrespectful
>>16836527Then it's capable (once/if refuel in orbit gets provem), just not practical. The only bit that I think they still don't have a clear path is from the moon back to earth.>>16836530Yeah, with their rate of development I also think they can do it in 5~8 years, not fast enough for NASA's schedule.
>>16836522For me it's heat shield damage that's insufficient to destroy the craft, but lets enough heat flux through to slowly cook the crew on livestream while they curse pork barrel projects with their dying breaths
>>16836426White women would literally burn down NASA if that happens
I’ve seen what SpaceX can do. We know what they’re capable of. I feel like a Gray Dragon could be made in less than a year. Beef up the heat shield and just put a bunch of life support equipment in the trunk.
>>16836533In the future, artifacts from the early space age will be sought after by amateur collectors who'll chase down all that debris bit by bit.
>>16836539The STS-27 alternate timeline>Gibson planned to "tell mission control what I thought of their analysis" in the remaining seconds before his death.
>>16836497N
>>16836528It already did once
>>16836539>implying Orion will have starlink connectivity during reentry
>>16836458here. ffmpeg sucks bigly.
>>16836549Elon will donate the hardware because he wants it to happen as much as I do
>>16836548strange definition of handled
>>16836552To the government agency that lambasts him and uses Sx as a get-out-of-jail-free scapegoat excuse? Yeah I don’t think so
>muh heat shield rated for LEOit's an ablative shield it can pretty much handle anything.it's likely even an unmodified dragon would survive reentry from the moon.
>>16836555Something like Starliner couldn’t without modification—but Dragon’s is already pretty thick and resilient. Dragon’s current shield is technically capable of multiple LEO landings w/o refurbishment (no one has ever opted to actually do this though. But it’s still possible). I don’t see why it couldn’t handle ONE rough Lunar reentry back to earth.
>>16836272I totally forgot about clean roomsI guess they make sense for lunar rovers, you don't want to contaminate your LE LIFE sensorsBig telescopes make sense tooBut Whats with the obsession with clean rooms for everything space? How come SpaceX is different?
>>16836556Yeah. The ablative itself would work just fine.Elon once said they had to make it way over thick such that the heat pulse doesn't melt the adhesive and have chunks fly off while still under parachute.That seems solvable though.
>>16836532I mean, where else in the internet would I get Greenlanders' opinions? Is there some kind of Greenlandic basket weaving forum out there? After all there are only like 5 of them.
>>16836557Astroforge was based for this and it made lots of xittards seethe.
>>16836555when you come back from the moon the extra heating causes bullshit problems like plasma cooking the back of your spacecraft. That’s why orion and the cm are shiny and dragon is not.
>>16836570Just wrap it in some tin foil. I'm sure the Hawthorne faggots can manage that.
>post-shuttle launch vehicles got shitcanned continuously, but Orion was able to secure funding for eternity
>>16836557They forgot you can just vacuum shit out
>>16836573I just don't care.Non reusable, non-profitable spaceflight only works with full government backing and that is always temporary.
>>16836578NASA should be flying nuclear engines, testing human physiology and reproduction in partial gravity, doing all the crazy experimental things.The Apollo program was state of the art back then and brought us great spinoff technology like the integrated circuit.They should replicate it in spirit and not literally.
>>16836468its more than that, its fungible>>16836474yeah I guess, but it depends on the context somewhat but usually that
>>16836474also FLOPS isn't really abstract, its quite specificcompute is more generic than simply flops
>>16836483no, because people would die but it would also set back human spaceflight most likely causing collateral damage to SpaceX even if they had nothing to do with it with karens losing their minds
So compute is hardware and power? So capacity? You can't just take a verb and make it a noun, that's Uber Eats tier, you can't just invent a new word for "food" for no reason except it's also the word that means "eat food". By Allah I will take a sword to corpo babble
>>16836530earth -> Dragon to LEO -> transfer to Starship -> Starship gets another orbital refilling in high earth orbit -> moon surface -> Starship to LEO -> crew back to Dragon -> earthI remember seeing something like this, would just need more refilling flights
>>16836589Can a non-tiled Starship aerobrake? Or does it have enough fuel to return to LEO and capture itself (risky, you risk the engines not re-lighting and NASA would never agree to this)
>>16836589>just add more tanker flights broEveryone is already trying to mitigate this to be as low as possible
>>16836586its hardware and computing capacity abstractedlike a car can be transportation
>>16836594*transport
>>16836592>Can a non-tiled Starship aerobrakeYes if you spread it out over weeks and months. Probably better uncrewed.>does it have enough fuelNobody really knows. People pretend to know but it's very sensitive to dry mass, payload mass and engine configuration.
>>16836593if Starship is actually operational then its not a big deal, they are going to have a lot of towers, ships and boostersnot having to use SLS or Orion is a big deal, they have cadences in the once per multiple years vs starship already being launched like 3-4 times a year
People still dont understand that they only need ~4-6 refuels to do everything by themselves. Dragon might cost 1-2 more refuels but even so, thats just refueling for the depot, not for the HLS themselves. HLS only refuels one time in LEO
>>16836597so just carry less payload for the first moon missions. it's not like we need 100T on the lunar surface immediately and even 50T would still be an insane amount compared to other landers
>>16836598Cope
>>16836557Alot of it is FOD and environmental storage concerns.Some of it is legitimate, especially in regards to scientific instruments. It's also a concern for any mechanical systems and electrical systems in regards to possible corrosion.What makes SpaceX different is everything they design is based on something that exists already and is often designed for earth first.Starlink solar panels for example are just standard terrestrial panels (with some modifications), they can survive being stored suboptimally unlike space specific panels which are vulnerable to everything but radiation due to needing to be extremely lightweight.This extends to everything they design. Find an industrial or commerical supplier of something and modify it to their needs. this gives the added benefit that equipment like this is designed to be installed and operated in all manner of crap and grim and thus no clean room is really required.
>>16836602The crew cabin with airlocks and elevators and shit is what you need to carry bare minimum.And none of that gets left on the moon as opposed to actual payload so it's double bad for your deltav.
>>16836557SpaceX controls for engineering
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985744194401395021
>muh computers in space/orbitwhat a retarded idea. why do they insist on this? lol
>>16836610What’s your argument against it?
>>16836610First world countries make it impossible to do things.Space is free real estate, literally.
>>16836600>4-6 refuelsTotal cope. From all calculations and public admissions by SpaceX HLS is right at the edge of its capacity.So even if V3 tanker payload is 150 tons it's clear you need more than 10 to fully fuel.
>>16836610No other ideas how to make money from space, at least they can scam investors this way.
>>16836610unlimited power, unlimited real-estate, no EPA or other shit to deal with when building the data center and/or a dedicated power station and/or a water processing stationtl:dr its to get around red tape on earth
https://x.com/NASASpaceflight/status/1985743730951741880HUGE
>>16836613It makes no sense at this time if you're optimizing for cost.Elon talks solar and space meanwhile XAI is buying every natural gas turbine they can their hands on.
>>16836615>starship need to deliver 150 ton to lunar orbit on the HLS missionThe entire HLS can be done with 10 ton
>>16836593Falcon is flying twice a week. Once starship has that cadence a tanker in lunar orbit and one in Leo won't be that big a deal.But I bet it would be easier to have unmanned lunar supply ships and have an uprated lunar dragon in the near term. It would be much less mass to move around.
>>16836618
It’s actually kind to pathetic to think about how Starship HLS architecture was the best/most realistic option
>>16836617This makes no sense. They are spending upwards of 50 billion dollars per datacenter now.All the important politicians are paid off, the environmentalists don't actually make decisions.
>>16836624Why wouldn't SpaceX make warp drives? They already exists in fiction. Its just easy to make it real
>>16836620its not for optimizing cost, its to get around the limiting factor of power right nowand the factor limiting power is basically red tape (though there are long lead times for gas turbines, transformers and shit like that too)people are already whining about higher electricity prices and water usage
>>16836586Retard, it's not some uber eats tier corpobabble and the term has existed way before LLMs became mainstream.'Build' is a verb and a noun, so is 'run' and the aforementioned 'transport'. 'Server' is derived from 'serve', 'serve' is also noun (e.g tennis).Compute is a resource representing the hardware, electricity, availability and other associated costs. Since AI is the big deal now and is very COMPUTE-intense, compute has entered the mainstream lexicon.
>>16836625thats just not true, some data center locations have already been blocked
>>16836626My post was more of a dig at everyone else, not really at SpaceX. No one could submit a realistic lander design? Alpaca and natty team were so dogshit.
>>16836554"If your enemy plans to hit himself in the head, lend him a bigger hammer" - Sun Tzu
>>16836625Nimy is powerful such that you cant build things in certain states without political kowtowing to the extremes of the political partisanship. This applies to other countries in other continents as well. So to reduce the friction and maximize the return, the best is to send them to space where there is infinite real estate, infinite energy, and no nimby
>>16836621>something that I did not say>ESL grammar>reddit spacingLearn to read if you want to be taken seriously.Alternatively go back to xitter.
>>16836628“Compute” entering the business lexicon is actually just a product of ESL jeets being integrated into the system more and more over the last 10 years—it’s that simple
>data centers in spacethe most retarded idea ever, is this the new micro-gravity manufacturing meme?
>>16836635Not an idea anymore, its real. Starlinks are data centers in space already. They have onboard computes.
>>16836625>>16836629in fact, have a list
>>16836613it's pointless?>>16836617>unlimited power, unlimited real-estateanon, you could make a datacenter in the middle of nowhere and it would be cheaper than this crap. desert land is cheap as fuck and it gets a lot of sun. you could fill the unused space with solar panels and batteries. you could dump the heat to the soil, air or whatever and that would be it.
>>16836627So build a gas turbine factory and put your datacenter right next to a pipeline.Way cheaper than space and you need to spend the money for the factory only once instead of paying a huge launch penalty for every computer you deploy.
>>16836610>why do they insist on this? lolTo scam VC retards (which is based btw)
>>16836638There is no such thing as "nowhere" land on Earth anymore. Every piece of land is owned by some government and you have to kow tow to local politics
>>16836635Space data centers have more testing and validation through starlink than any other commercial application.
>>16836462Based!Only through American dominance can we ensure Black genes spread off world as there is no way the evil racist chinks would let that happen.Thanks to the USA the next person to step foot on the moon will be a Black women of Color, just as it always should have been.
>>16836636>anything with a computer is a data centerbad faith argument
>>16836624It's the best option given the time constraints.No doubt they could make something like Apollo if they actually wanted, but the whole plan is saving face for the failure of SLS/Orion.
>>16836630natty team were under the impression this was another opportunity to grift some money but they got basically fucked by the interim admin and people in charge of choosing the contractor (and too little money for two landers)delivering instead of grifting is a new concept in space, at least in the last 50 years or so
>companies are allowed to hydraulically fracture the ground in texas by pumping high pressure slurry from a diesel powered pump farm>noooo building a computer is basically illegal muh red tapelearn to lobby faggots or stfu
>>16836637I can't wait for all the cheap h-100s to hit the market when the bubble pops
>>16836644Musk is going to build them on the back of starlink laserlinksremove the phased-array antennas, add some radiators and a gpu or ASIC for the compute
>>16836639Saar what about the carbon emissions?
>>16836647Kinda hard to do when your top guy is volatile and has melties and undoes an entire year of progress by calling the regulator-in-chief a pedo
>>16836639people already do the latter and the former is not something you can just do instantly, doesn't really make sense either due to the current gas turbine manufacturers expanding their productionalso it doesn't remove the most pressing problem, namely red tape
>>16836644No, Starlink is.
>>16836651Still no epstein files btws
>>16836618>>16836623yourmamajokesbros..we are all forgotten
>>16836638>anon, you could make a datacenter in the middle of nowhere and it would be cheaper than this crap. desert land is cheap as fuck and it gets a lot of sun. you could fill the unused space with solar panels and batteries. you could dump the heat to the soil, air or whatever and that would be it.if that was the best way to do it, you would already see the hyperscalers do that
>>16836551Nuggies? In space?
>>16836551imagine the smell
>>16836659to add to this, what I suspect the limiting factor for this idea is grid scale batteriesthere will eventually probably be something like this as well though
>>16836659they care too much about the distance from city centers and muh water cooling.so, again, if those are their worries, then why put computers in space?
>>16836666NIMBYS, they will come for you even in deserts
>>16836667When did zoomers start rejecting the label “decelerationists” and switch to “NIMBYs”? Is this a canadian / truthful / redd*t thing?
>>16836667YOUT MOM will come for muh dick even in deserts
>>16836666Because Starlinks operating 400km in orbit is faster than Starlinks having to travel 20,000km away to data centers in Texas
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985775942560858504https://research.google/blog/exploring-a-space-based-scalable-ai-infrastructure-system-design/google is going for compute in space as well now
>>16836668decelerationist and NIMBY are different things you retardNIMBY is just about building physical things, decelerationism is a much wider concept
>>16836670sure, and then the "software engineers" add some javascript piece of shit program on top of some other javascript piece of shit program to manage the datacenter, all in the name of "reliability", and all the advantage you had in latency is lostalso, good luck replacing broken parts in orbit lmao
>>16836659>>16836665Casey Handmer writes about this.The more expensive your load per watt (overpriced Nvidia cards are as expensive per watt as it gets) the less terrestrial solar makes sense.You need to keep uptime high to optimize cost so the overbuild required of solar and batteries becomes ridiculous and not worth compared to gas.If you had 50% uptime it'd be like overpaying 2x for your computer which is totally retarded if just the computers is 80% of your gajillion dollar capex.
https://x.com/martinmbauer/status/1985754618979111143
>>16836659They should be thinking about it. M$ has a bunch of Nvidia hardware uninstalled because they can't get power online fast enough.
>>16836671Google is also big into quantum computers and that's a total scam too
There is 0 practical benefits to put computation in space, except for space-based comms.If you want to maintain "normal" data centers that handle the base computational needs of society, there are only downsides: COST being the biggest one. A relatively basic data center can weigh hundreds of tons in hardware alone, add shielding and solar panels to this and you can't lift these into space at any reasonable cost. Maintainability being the other. You can't replace broken drives, GPUs, networking or anything else and they would break one by one and get permanently lost when the satellite burned on reentry.Another issue with cluster computing is the node-to-node latency, which would reach ridiculous degrees in scattered LEO satellites.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1875023335891026324from January 3rd
>>16836682https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985743650064908694now
>>16836675you replace the whole mass produced satellite, just like with regular starlinks
>>16836676this too, though batteries are already a good idea for data centers to keep the load steady and for peak shaving to get a faster grid connectionbut a full solar power + battery system is a whole different story
>>16836682>>16836684>noo deserts are too far!>the moon looks like a nice place to put datacenters thoughHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>16836681and yet Musk is going to do it (hint, distributed inference and laserlinks)
AI is so gay lmaoGrok is the most reddit name possibleAll of them are golemized wordcels with less real intelligence than a dog>my Gwok Ay Eye is going to the heckin mooooooon!!!!
>>16836677Immediate grifting
I'm gonna distribute dildos in orbit for you faggots to brag about "having sex in space"
>>16836691>musk off his meds on Xitter>/sfg/ takes his rants as gospeltale as old as time
>>16836694>Erm great question! Let’s break that down into a concise summary. (Also I am pickle rick!!)Grok and all other AI should be nuked
>>16836690the theoretical latency through starlink is lower than going through fiber on the groundthe speed of light in glass is about 2/3 of what it is in vacuum and going up and down to LEO is negligible compared to the circumference of the earth
>>16836697>Im just going to cherry pick the “bad” things and hand wave them away Cope of the highest order
>>16836698>>16836694samefag
>>16836697Lets see you build a rocket then I'd give equal weight to your argument
>>16836682>>16836684Besides AI stuff, I think Musk pivoted to the moon as it's the most immediate achievable goal. No way they're getting to Mars before 2030~2040, a Moon base can get started pretty much right now.
>>16836699Latency doesn't even matter. None of this is about latency.
>>16836697SpaceX has a patent from 2022 for starlink based distributed data centers in space >>16836655https://x.com/seti_park/status/1972888018265731271
>>16836676>The more expensive your load per watt (overpriced Nvidia cards are as expensive per watt as it gets) the less terrestrial solar makes sense.The more expensive the load capex the more it makes sense to spend on the power system overbuilding solar and batteries. Casey's own project relies on cheap intermittent solar without batteries for his cheap load to make economic sense.
>>16836704They're getting to Mars as a SpaceX mission in 2026-2027
>>16836704They missed the 2026 Mars window.But you can go to the moon any time.
>>16834121IT'S OVER! CHINA WON!: https://x.com/DJSnM/status/1985722718218830221?
>>16836613Honestly, I just don't understand computer stuff
>>16836706latency does matter for certain workloadsand even in cases it doesn't, I just pointed out that this particular criticism was retardeddistributed compute in LEO beats a singular data center in a remote location in latency for almost all cases
>>16836710Really skeptical about it desu, but I would be pleasant to be wrong in that case.
>>16836677I've fucking had it with astronomers
>>16836716>but I would be pleasantbut I would be pleased*Fucked that up cause I rewrote from "It would be pleasant"
>>16836704I don't think mars has been deprioritized at allhe just realized that there are in fact a lot of synergies with his other interest/companies as well
>>16836706>Latency doesn't even matterLMAO
>>16836713Why hasn't nasa done this?
>>16836716Whats there to be skeptical about? If they can demonstrate refueling in orbit this year, its basically set in stone. Once they get to Mars, there maybe questions about whether landing will be a success or not. But aside from that, they can probably launch a space based Starlink on Mars as one of the layloads to use as Martian comlink as the Starship approaches Mars orbit.
>>16836721The gigacope in this thread today is unreal lol
>>16836698You can just ask it to respond in the manner you want it to.
>>16836726YWNBAW
>>16836724>ISSpresso was the first espresso coffee machine designed for use in space, produced for the International Space Station by Argotec and Lavazza in a public-private partnership with the Italian Space Agency (ASI)>ISSpresso was one of nine experiments selected by the Italian Space Agency for the Futura missionJust the fact that they considered this a worthwhile experiment should have been immediate grounds for deorbiting the ISS
>>16836724they baked cookies
>>16836712>But you can go to the moon any time.This makes Marscucks seethe
>>16836724because they don't like to take any risksthe shuttle disasters buck-broke them completely
>>16836724Costs billion dollar to fry chicken in space.
>>16836709Exactly Casey's project makes sense because it's an ultra cheap load.The graph you're showing is how much a battery solar system would cost to achieve optimal uptime not whether it makes sense in the face of alternatives.The point is with load capex >10^7$/MW you're better off without solar as you cross above the price of even grid power.
>>16836729literally what else is the italian space agency capable of?
>>16836725It's because we've had Mars schedule slips for half a century, so I'm skeptical about any claims of "Mars soon". But it would be nice to be proven wrong. Anyway, 2026-2027 is around the corner so we'll see.
>>16836714based
>>16836737The Starship is basically ready. The only relevant question is can SpaceX do the orbital refueling, and can they expend few Starships for Mars? I think they can.
>>16836671https://x.com/DrPhiltill/status/1985780676918972862
SpaceX will overextend, trying for the 2027 Mars window, HLS, Starlink and with this compute insanity.It's over, they will implode
>>16836742Why would they over extend? They will build spare Starships. Older Starships flight proven hardware will be sent to Mars as as resting place.
>>16836671>>16836741>google is going for compute in space as well now>radical tech ideasMember when Google founders invested in Planetary Resources in 2012? I member.
>ctrl+f "x.com">53 resultsWhy can't xitterfags stay there?
>>16836746Also big into quantum computing which is entirely useless research tinkering atp.Quantum is 100% bubble no value generation look up $IONQ
>>16836748the existence of a hype bubble doesn't mean that there is no valueEVs had a hype bubble in 2020, but they are still trucking alonginternet companies had a hype bubble in 2000, railways had on in 1940s
>>16836746>Planetary Resourcesit's the sex crime olympics
>>16836690>>16836684Depending on the scale of orbital compute being asked for, it eventually becomes cheaper to bootstrap lunar manufacturing and launching it from there with a mass driver, than doing it all from Earth and launching it with a rocket.
>>16836749There has been ZERO economic value generated from quantum computing since its inception.Not even talking profitability, just flat out zero dollars of value.
Foreign space bros always bringing the good food to the whites
>>16836748Quantum computing has niche, but potentially very valuable applications. Obviously the field is full of grifters and scams, but it's not something that "can't deliver value".
>>16836756They also did some sort of steak.NASA cucks are having tortillas (crumb free) with peanut butter and jelly tonight while crying in their pods.
>>16836749*1840s I mean
>>16836753You leveraged yourself into debt and fell for some grifter investment scam? lmao
>>16836763What are you talking about. I'm saying they're grifters and you should short all quantum stocks when the time comes.
>>16836548Shittle handled a cold weather launch once.
Ariane 6 in an hour for anyone still interested in spaceflight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6daC_wTrjS0
>>16836753yes but you say this as some kind axiomits in the realm of a difficult engineering problem now, not impossible
>>16836763kek
>>16836671>elon "thanks for the great idea, suckers *YOINK*" musk
>>16836764shorting meme stocks sounds like a really bad ideawhy not just go long in good companies?the risk/reward in shorting just seems kind of shit
>>16836767I'll believe it when I see it dude.There has been about 10 announcements now of "quantum advantage" being demonstrated over classical computers followed every time by someone actually doing the problem faster on their home computer, or the experiment being fudged by not taking into account the time needed to diambiguate the result or some other scam.
>>16836713they made this /sfg/ shitpost real
>>16836764Anybody expecting any short-term returns on quantum computing is working on delusional expectations. The companies that are serious about it (Google, IBM, etc) know the technology is fundamentally limited and that any immediate benefits are improbable.Your "advice" is basically common knowledge, which makes me think you got grifted.
>>16836639build a data center near where they currently burn off excess impure nat gas near wells, or at least make it possible to capture and use that to power a data center
>>16836638thanks to starlink, you can put a data center in the desert and get lots of bandwidth with low latency
>>16836774>go long in good companiesYes that is a better strategy. Go long and then don't touch it for 10 years.
>>16836779So just wait and see then or go short the meme stocks and reap immense profits. Oh wait you can't, they already rug-pulled you
>>16836639>>16836783Good plan. We'll see your datacenter online in 2032. That's a long ass lead time for something so hype driven.https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/news-research/latest-news/electric-power/052025-us-gas-fired-turbine-wait-times-as-much-as-seven-years-costs-up-sharply
>>16836787>headcanonAlright bro. Btw do you have that image with the syringe and even more fucked up looking? I've been looking for it
JARED POSTED THE DOCKY
>>16836779there was an article on ars the other day where they had a problem that quantum could solve faster than computers> Google has a useful quantum algorithm that outperforms a supercomputer>An approach it calls “quantum echoes” takes 13,000 times longer on a supercomputer. https://arstechnica.com/science/2025/10/google-claims-to-have-quantum-advantage-with-a-potentially-useful-algorithm/
This is a sputnik moment in the second space race. In response, the USA will now embed its entire fast food chain establishments to the outer rim of this solar system. You have no idea what is coming.
https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1985796145017471442
>>16836797
>>16836798
>>168367814chan is upstream of all pop culture
>>16836799
>>16836796Musk will relocate X serves to the yet to be discovered planet X. The new space economy.
>>16836800this has been known for years
>>16836802end
>>16836797>>16836798>>16836799
>>16836803actually, you made me realize that he could use pluto for a datacenter. pluto must be the coldest planet of all, right? so no more overheating issues
>>16836761NB: NASA uses taco shells from Taco Bell for Taco Tuesday on ISS, because those shells don't have crumbs and last a year.
>america still hasn't put a mcdonalds in spacethe west has fallen
>>16836797>>16836798>>16836799>>16836806Fuck off
boeing may be kill but whats lockheeds excuse? why are they so shit at the space game these days?
On SLS and Gateway>To be clear, the plan does not issue a directive to cancel Gateway or SLS, in fact, the word “Gateway” is used only three times in the entire document. It does explore the possibility of pivoting hardware and resources to a nuclear electric propulsion program after the objectives of the President’s budget are complete. Do many smaller missions (instead of one big one) and buy services from the commercial market if they are available instead of doing them in parallel in NASA>Expand the CLPS-style approach across planetary science to accelerate discovery and reduce time-to-science... better to have 10 x $100 million missions and a few fail than a single overdue and costly $1B+ mission. I know the “science-as-a-service” concept got people fired up, but that was specifically called out in the plan for Earth observation, from companies that already have constellations like Planet, BlackSky, etc.Create Starfleet Academy> NASA eventually should build a Starfleet Academy to train and prepare the commercial industry to operate safely and successfully in this future space economy, and consolidate and upgrade mission control into a single “NORAD of peaceful space,” allowing JSC to become the spaceflight center of excellence and oversee multiple government and commercial missions simultaneously.
GAAAAAAAAAAAAN
>>16836809>pluto>planet
>>16836816seems like good ideas
>>16836813>>16836807back to /b/ faggot
>>16836818Pluto's designations are Dwarf planet and minor planet. Either way, planet is in the classification, so yes, a planet.
>>16836766live. SFN is also covering it
>>16836766>>16836825t-24min
>>16836827>mission control is a few people locked into a closetariane has really fallen off
>>16836823Why don't you go back to twitter since twitterslop is what you want to "discuss"? If you can call text dumps discussion
10/10 sound quality on that satellite ad
Sentinel-1D is going to ~700km and is about 2.1 tonnesAriane 6 seems kind of overkill, A62 is about 100mil per launch
well, /sfg/?
>>16836833what do you want to discuss? how often do you come here?
>>16836833Another question, do you know who Jared Isaacman is and why he is relevant to spaceflight?
>>16836811SpaceX will put a Tesla Diner on Mars. Why would they put McDonalds on there?
4 niggas in a row
>>16836840>do you know who Jared Isaacman is and why he is relevant to spaceflight?You think there are people on /sfg/ who don't know who Isaacman is? Maybe you should go to /b/ or /pol/ if you want to spam pointless walls of text nobody reads and hold trivia contests
>>16836845there are always tourists that hang around after a starship launch
>>16836766
DECOLLAGE
EUROPE IS STRONG!
WTF they said the thing from the meme!
>>16836766The announcer had to rush the first five seconds of the countdown because he started too late. Embarrassing.
>>16836845"People" are astroturfing here. Tranny raid because they are radicalized on politics
100mil into the drink
Did that tilt up look really close?
I didn't see any european ladies on a bike.Once again they can't match american superiority.
Don't mess with Europe.
>>16836861They're not allowed outside anymore
How many European payloads have flown on falcons? Could spacex actually have launched more for Europe than Ariane?
McGregor is active right now
>>16836866I thought i would be too late but it is still going on.
>>16836868It is still going on.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOmmvhDQ2HM
Go Raptor go Raptor go!
It's over... SpaceX is finished...
>>16836865Plenty and yes. F9 launched more European payloads in 2024 than Ariance 6 has in 2024/2025 combined.
>european space agency>no europeans
>>16836874Nah I'm racist as fuck but at least they're natives and it provides them with jobs and opportunities at least. When it's at home it's different.
>>16836746I still work with an ex Planetary Resources guyCool dude
>>16836766deployed!
https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1985754323813605423Reminder, major players are looking into space data centers. SpaceX, Nvidia, and now Google.
>>16836880why dont you post screencaps instead of just a link?
BREAKING NEWS! ELON MUSK IS GOING TO START A CANDY COMPANY!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0AMx2nVDa8
>>16836882Whats wrong little man, still fighting your culture propaganda war?
https://services.google.com/fh/files/misc/suncatcher_paper.pdf
>>16835379>>16835224Still can't find anything about the launch in general on https://www.blueorigin.com/Nothing about the targeted date on X. Can't slip on a launch date if you don't announce it. What a mickey mouse company.
on some more Musk news, he just offered me a blowjob.how does this affect spaceflight?
>>16836886qrd?
>>16836905Elona has nice boobz
>>16836893They're not going to have live views of the landing again.
>>16836610Power grids are fucked and there's nobody making it strong enough to handle what they want the AI bubble to go to.
>>16836656They ain't ever fucking getting released, man.
>>16836915right. that's why we should send servers and *checks notes* solar panels to orbit instead of installing them here on earth...makes a lot of sense.
>>16836918solar panels don't work at night, but in certain orbits you can have almost continuous solar powerno seasons in space either
>>16836918If you only knew how bad it was.Google datacenters are set to be built on a huge ass parcel of the most fertile soil in Norway, a country not known for its vast amount of fertile soil.And the energy to power it? lol, nobody knows where that's coming from or what it will do to our power supply. Existing companies are begging for more power to expand, but nope.Line must go up and the AI centipede that produces fuck all must continue.
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1985843438214881465Jared Isaacman nominated as NASA adminfuck yes
we're back
>>16836921re-nominated*
https://x.com/ashleevance/status/1985840779907235941
>>16836921What a rollercoaster ride this has been LMAO
The roll-out of micro reactors at every US military base will also come with the deployment of servers at those bases for government compute and AI. After demonstrating the feasibility of micro reactor technology for data centers and paving the path through regulation, the private sector will begin deploying these as well.This was revealed to me while taking a piss.
>>16836920>Google datacenters are set to be built on a huge ass parcel of the most fertile soil in Norway, a country not known for its vast amount of fertile soil.ok, and who is to blame for that?what's stopping Google from building a 10 story building and installing solar panels in the land while ALSO sowing vegetables or whatever? ever heard of agrivoltaics?
>>16836926Big and Truefission is the future. Solartards need not apply
can't wait until his nomination gets yanked again the next time someone reminds trump he donated to a democrat once
>>16836883sorry, Mars bars are already taken
>>16836928also, the chinese are building thorium reactors and apparently the first stage (I assume, I'm not an expert) was successful: >>16834144
>>16836930The next musk melty and jared is yoinked lol
>>16836465Computation.(different anon)
>>16836933you are confusing cause and effect here
>>16836460It sounds dumb because "compute" is a verb that is being clumsily used as a noun.The correct form for what you're describing would be "computation"
I think tech companies are not interested in anything related to energy for a simple reason: it's not really that profitable.solar generation is not too profitable in my country, the one with the driest desert in the fucking world and the biggest reserves of some minerals (copper,lithium) unless you add batteries. of course it's even less profitable in murica, where oil is cheap af.
>>16836921does that mean the jerk who fought with Elon and canceled Jared's original nomination has been booted out of Trump's inner circle?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1985775942560858504https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1985817039416742310Google will likely be buying bulk Starship launches (Google owns ~10% of SpaceX shares btw) in the future if they want to scale up their AI data centers
>>16836921entire year wasted award
>>16836939you mean Sergio Gor? that happened a few weeks ago, he got sent to Nigeria or some other shithole as an ambassador
>>16836940Maybe it’s a good thing that Apple has held off on their own AI for a while, perhaps by the time they are ready to commit huge resources on it they will be able to make the decision to choose space as an option and that will inject billions (perhaps trillions) from a new faucet opened up into the space economy.It’s fascinating how they were sort of ahead of the curve with Siri, but have since fumbled so hard at the emerging AI bubble.
>>16836940good to have some customers lined upif this actually works, the demand for launches is going to be insane
