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>>16849846First for Rocket Factory Augsburg.
>>16849846>MethaneWhat are other differences between SpesX and BlueOrigin rocket?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_rocket_propellant#Methane
>>16849852New Glenn's second stage is a ~70-ish ton hydrolox upper stage. Starship is a 1600 spaceship. Eight Raptor 2s have more thrust than seven BE-4s. Seven Raptor 3s have more thrust than seven BE-4s. Pic related: these photos are more or less to scale.
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>>16849886>New Glenn's second stage is a ~70-ish tonExcept this is totally wrong faggot. Even Falcon second stage weighs more than that wet.
https://x.com/audrey_decker9/status/1989352112728510935
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>>16849852one of them is suborbital
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so SpaceX will ignore the moon lander for a while to send something to mars?
>>16849906No 2028 is as fast as they can realistically do it.Things just take time. Remember the gap between SN-15 and IFT-1
>>16849850Shouldn't they be back on the pad static firing again already?It's been a long time. Suspect they're having money problems sadly now that I'm thinking about it.
>>16849899>Prop transfer June 2026Mars 2026 launch window is in Nov-Dec. If this goes well they still have the chance to launch something.
>>16849899>HLS NET late 2028
>>16849899Are these actual targets or Musk targets?
>>16849912>If this goes wellA reminder that the tests up to this point were explicitly designed to stress test the fuck out of the engineering and materials.Once they start sending the ships up within safe parameters, failures will be rare.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
Starship won't get to the moon before the end of this decade
It's going to be june when 1st tower goes online again
>>16849898New Glenn upper stage is hydrolox.
>>16849914>failures will be rare.muskrat's delusion or legit reasoning?
>>16849921starship will choose to go to the moon in this decade and do the other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard
does this mean they have a high chance of landing people on mars in 2033?
>>16849931100% chance trust me bro
>>16849931>landing people on mars in 2033?They are targeting a manned landing in 2028/9.>The first Starships to Mars will launch in 2 years when the next Earth-Mars transfer window opens. If those landings go well, then the first crewed flights to Mars will be in 4 years. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1832550322293837833
>>16849934ok so chances of them landing people on mars in 2028/2029?
>>16849937zero
>>16849899BO Blue Moon is scheduled for an "early 2026" landing with the Mk 1. One way trip and smol, but gives Amazon an argument to throw money at Mk 2 to speed things up.
>>16849925Doesn't matter. It weighs significantly more than 70 tons.
>>16849945What is the stage's gross mass, then?
>>16849948personally, I'm more interested in the cute mass
>>16849912Doubtful. All Starship parameters are grey until they have a firmer design, but an estimate now is it would take two tanker flights to give a starship with zero cargo enough Delta for a minimum energy flyby of Mars. Which means, besides everything else, a Depot or the ability to get two tankers up quickly in succession to fill up directly.
>>16849948https://x.com/Orbital_Perigee/status/1990051638246252586>crazy thing: GS2 is bigger than the S-IVB. The fact it’s just being mass produced is wildBlue being Blue, we don't have any solid numbers, but apparently it's more than the S-IVB's 123 tons.
>>16849975is it still all orthogrid inside or did they move away from that like jeff mentioned in the tim dodd tour?
>>16849948its disgusting and icky
>>16849972>fill up directlyThis doesn't work since depots will be the only ones with active docking hardware and all other ships will be passive.
>>16849975But with less Delta than the S-IVB. *shrugs*
>>16849995I doubt it. It's way higher thrust and isp.Or do you mean just cause Saturn throws it further cause it's a third not a second stage?
>>16849915>Once they start sending the ships up within safe parameters, failures will be rare.Except for the fact that their next tests will be an entirely new iteration of the starship, which might have yet more problems.
>>16849999Trust the plan. Patriots are in control.
>>16849993They're doing a transfer test with Tanker, therefore Tanker must be able to transfer prop to Starship directly.*tips fedora*
>>16849999>their next testsYes, exactly.
>>16850002That was a literal psyop to goad people into inaction. It also worked.
>>16850003It will be a tanker and an early version of depot.
starship is over
>>16850022Starshit program is going backwards.
>>16849926>not an enginseerQuite indeed. And never will be. :)
>>16849886>Waits for SpaceX to do all the hard work and research.>Copies Starship almost exactly.>Retards clap and cheer.
>>16849886>Pic related: these photos are more or less to scale.Looks like Nuglen is about the same size as Starship. What's the big fuss about Starship then?
>>16850092New Glenn started development way before Starship and basically copies nothing from it.
>>16850093>same size as StarshipIt's really not because of the square cube law. 7m vs 9m diameter.>What's the big fuss about Starship then?It's fully reusable, that's its singular point.Falcon 9 launch rate and cost is bottlenecked by second stage production so you need to make that stage reusable too if you want to go further.
he's desperate for replacing everyone in spacex with h1-bs
>>16850095Remind us all which one was launching first.
>16850102Average ESL post in this thread.Go freeze to death in your "house".
It's a pretty rocket.
>>16850103Starship? I am on the spectrum like everyone else in this thread.What I meant was what I wrote nothing else.
does anyone have a newer one of these that goes into the 2030s?
>>16850107i have no idea how to read this
>>16849899Berger and I, since 2024, have held 2030-2032 to be the likely crew launch
>>16850116Blue dates are good, anon. Red dates are bad.
>>16850116find a date on the x-axisfind a flight duration on the y-axisthe corresponding point's color is the delta-v required for the flight
>>16850119>>16850120What is MY and why is it offset from regular years for the return?
>>16850124million years
>>16850124Mars YearThe zig zag red line at the bottom shows free return from Earth to Mars then back to Earth
>>16847347>>16850122I'm waiting for him to not even acknowledge it happened. Nobody gives a shit about Bezos, so why would he spend time on it? His Youtube revenue relies solely on dunking on Elon.
>>16850107Casey Handmer made ithttps://x.com/CJHandmer/status/1883794812652200143
>Noooooo don't steal the sat nooooooo
>>16849931there is a small chance before 2040 but that's assuming a lot goes right
>>16850124I asked this in another thread then went and looked it up, it's some insane arbitrary start date related to a random fucking dust storm in the 50's
>>16850107You can probably vibe code this very easily.Give me a second I'll try.
After landing on Mars with humans, will other Stars be the target?
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>>16849846>why don't you use isotopic fuel editionkek. you idiots fell for the psyop.
>>16850141Protip: the only planet there is a saturn-tier gas giant wandering drunkenly all over the place. It ejected all other plants from the system.
>>16849913Okay but that’s not a bad time table considering all the factors here.
>>16850137It's not arbitrary. It was the beginning of all detailed observations of Mars, hence why that date was chosen as the Martian epoch. The only important events before that were the discovery of Phobos and Deimos and Galileo pointing his telescope at Mars.
>>16850156There's bound to be some neat moons, at least.
>>16850156It didn't have another gas giant to stabilise it, like how Saturn prevented Jupiter from devouring the inner system (it only ate away at Mars for a bit).
>>16850174It's in the habitable zone, and is not high mass like Jupiter. So enjoy your ice balls.
>>16850156this fucker is a spy flexing. you want answers i say go for this fucker here.
This is the plan: we gaslight Ted Cruz into believing the necessity for a mega giant space-based laser weapons system. Insane power consumption, able to glass any target it flies over and aims at. Try to get this idea up the chain-of-command to make Trump demand it.Then we just turn it around and instead use it to propel microshitsats to Proxima
>>16850180disgusting
>>16850184Why?
>>16850184Says the pillow biter
>>16850198Brought to you by the>erm let's just stay on the earth moon and mars and never move on, we are all just dust in the wind and crabs in a bucket!crowd
>>16849899Are they even going to have a working spacesuit by 2028?
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>>16850203Let's fix Mars's problems first. Then we can spend money on the outer Solar System.
>>16850203>>16850217Every inch of the universe belongs to the American republic and her people.
>>16850222SpaceX upper stage as well, boeing and ULA can get fucked
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>>16850222delightfully counter-intuitive
I suppose they are starting v3 super heavy soon, and it will need its own testing. But Super Heavy as a large rocket booster has sort of proven itself as a capable piece of hardware already. v3 might explode if Raptor 3 ends up being a little shit - but SpaceX will figure it out within 10 test flights (1 or 2 years) and Super Heavy will be right back to flying nominally. And it flies more than most ACTIVE rockets fly. No reason why NASA couldn't "human rate" Super Heavy before 2030 and throw some upper stage + orion on there. Or Dragon on top of SH lol imagine that
>>16850208who is building the artemis suits? collins? axiom? it wasn't spacex was it?
>>16850230Axiom, God help them. They are struggling.
>>16850230You mean who has the contract or who will actually supply the suits?
>>16849850>Isar moving to the pad to prep the second launch>absolute radio silence from RFA all yearnot like this man, they had a real chance of showing that scrappy can work but it's really not looking good
xai measures in slop per gigabit. the more slop you get per gig is the optimization. if we can get ai slop to 1 trillion slops per gigabit we might well achieve mars escape vilocity.you could probably build 18m ITS with that. insane
>>16850174Not really, it's too small to have enough mass budget for decent moons. You'll have a handful of rocks like Saturn does. Not ice moons, it's in the habitable zone.At least there's always Proxima b
Can we all admit this looks way cooler than starship? Honestly
>>16850294No
>>16850173It's arbitrary. Read the footnotes. Various start dates have been proposed in papers as needed. There's no starting event like the birth of Mars Jesus, but the date mentioned seems to be the convention now.And "detailed observations of Mars" were going on long before the Eisenhower Era. A prime target once astronomical photography became a standard scientific tool, but even before then with direct viewing.
>>16850294nah
>>16850294nope
>>16850294Yes we can
>>16850022>>16850026They saw the success of New Glenn and rightfully backed down. Spacex just can't compete with that and this is proof they're not going to try.
>>16850294нeт
>>16850294Eh.
>>16850298It'll get reset when we first land humans there, guaranteed
>>16850294looks like it's for Her Hygeine
>>16850294Ummm. Is New Glenn Mini Starshop????
yes it does
why is zubrin seething
>>16850328he's a jew
>>16850310maybe Mars years will be something like our BC and AD, but it will be based on "before humans arrived" and "after humans arrived", right now it is approximately 10 BC
>>16850230>collins?Collins admitted they had no idea what they were doing and gave up a few years ago.
>>16850328they are furious at Putin for throwing a monkey wrench in their plot to steal Ukraine from the Ukies
>>16850328What there looks like sex slave gear? What a place for his mind to go
>>16850337which phase do we build the synagogues in?
Astro camping with your space frenz.
"Hi! Wanna join our Comet Cult? You get a free purple track suit!"
Sentinel G-B launch, Stage 1 Apogee 170km on an RTLS Falcon 9 launch.
>>16850351>G-BSentinel-6B, derp.
S2 got to an apogee of 210+ km, with SECO at 183km. Can't remember the last time I saw a Falcon 9 fly such a lofted flight profile.
>>16850337breezewood is truely the ultimate evolution of humanity
>>16850350wouldnt mind piping either of those two girls is you know what i mean
>>16850309Starship proportions look weird to me. The second stage is too long in comparison to the first (and the stretches will make that worse).
Why are astronomers such weird cultists no matter which part of the globe they're from?
>>16850371thats your weird opinion bro. why would being from different parts of the world make a difference anyway?
>>16850294starship is cleaner
we need more space jobs
https://x.com/Gwynne_Shotwell/status/1990306213104611642
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Gs2NBq-ds>"They're really tearing down that launch mount" | SpaceX Starbase
>>16850377even if it only saves 1 dollar per launchthat's enough for a pizza party for spacex nice
>>16850374It's really not
>>16850378So launch pad 1 was a complete failure
>>16850381No flame trench is best flame trench lol
>>16850381it launched 11 rockets and informed launch pad 2
>>16850381It was not reusable, but it did it's job.
>>16850107what is the cause of the white stripes in the pork chops?
>>16850399I remember someone saying the moon
>>16850400Mars has a different inclination than Earth so the gap is when you'd have to burn insane dv to correct for it at max separation
spehs
>>16850254Relying on outsourced parts for almost your entire rocket is fucking madness. In 1941 Germany manufacturing environment it probably would have been a badass move. In 2025 Germany? Actual madness. Yes saar here are ur valves saar besting of BMW quality.
>>16850402oh yeah, that makes more sense
