Factories on the moon - editionprevious >>16862428
>>16865179https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1997794076570300616
Cancel gateway
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/199779728973436519025 starship launches per day
>>16865477I love working with JAXA
https://x.com/KatieMiller/status/1997790608065482801new spawn production vessel detected
>>16865485
>>16865485Fag Wars?
>>16865479this is not the future we wantedthis was never about mars, its about moneyand a race to ruin everything with A fucking Ifuck this shit, sabotage starshipthe whole thing stinks like shit now
>>16865479If they can launch that and print infinite money, that increase Mars colony's survival rate.
>>16865487Mrs. Most Based Man Alive
Remember when this general was about space and space techs and science and not about twitter and literally retard musk?
>>16865511This anti-AI sentiment is very gayIts going to be another (way bigger) massive demand driver for starship launches alongside starlink, qhich will make the cowt of launching anything into orbit much cheaper due to econimies of scaleEnergy on earth will also ultimately be much cheaper due to the demand from AI druving innovation amd expansion of energy productionSome short term supply shocks don't matter in the long term
>>16865516yeswhat are you going to do about it kid?
>>16865516That was never the case, thus was started due to starbase
https://images-assets.nasa.gov/image/iss073e0917417/iss073e0917417~orig.jpg
>>16865516You seem lost here. Mr. leddit
>>16865521oh no! stepsis is stuck! whatever should I do?!
SPACE
>>16865518I don't think these expected "profits" from space AI are paving the way to Mars, its simply yanking resources from it. Since when does AI equal money? No path forward thereIts retarded and a side quest. This so called superintelligence is far from guaranteed, and nuclear is the future of energy anyway (yes nuclear power happens here on earth, not space)
>>16865531All information will be processed by AI. Thats where the money is. And everything is information.
>>16865531You're retarded
>>16865534>>16865535proof that most of you are less than 25 and not acquainted with reality yet. keep dreaming, children, your faith in bullshit is kind of cute
>>16865537Actually, I'm older than your dad.
>muh marsYou're not going to see a human colony on Mars during your entire lifetime lmao.
>>16865485>elon on a random podcast with a new womanfirst thought is she's probably jewish>>16865487>noselooks jewish>checks wikipediayup. I'm so tired of this "philosemite" and his bs. mars fucking never
>>16865553shhh, youre not supposed to notice that
>>16865511You're and idiotAnything that contributes to industrializing space only helps MarsWhen there's reliable money to be made in space, even near earth, then you can actually start settling Mars in a way that matters.
go back
>>16865531What, you want to speedrun landing on Mars and then what? Without a meaningful space economy it won't last.Your reasoning would have called starlink a "side quest" and a "distraction from mars"
>>16865557>>16865560"it was always about money, bro! once we have enough money, we are going!"I'm out. this isnt fun anymore
>>16865570whats your alternative? getting tax shekels to put some boo TV on mars once and then dick around in LEO for another half century, because the taxes are now needed for a war for taiwan or something like that?
>>16865570I mean, my cope is that this way at least SpaceX/Musk doesn't depend on anyone else but themselves. If/when nobody else wants to jump on the Mars bandwagon, because you know that this fucking planet does not care about space even if it's literally free, then he'll just do it himself. Fuck NASA, the DoD, and everyone else.
if you give me 30 billion dollars I promise to make a 4ASS mars mission to put boots on the ground and keep them there
>>16865570How else can it be reasonably expected to be done but find ways to earn money? Considering the cost needed to get everything self sufficient that's not going to be cheap, and there's too many options to pay for it during that process.
>you don't understand we HAVE to go to a freezing, unbreathable, toxic, low-gravity hellhole>huh?? we first have to establish a space economy and can't just steal taxpayer money to fund a fruitless endeavor? ugh, damn jewsThe state of this board.
>>16865575he might just forget about it in two or three years ¯\_(:3)_/¯ Id prefer that the whole AI crap implodes on itself too, but I'm honestly trusting Elon more with it than google and if it turns out to be the thing that makes mars accessible, that'd not be the worst outcome.
My memory is fuzzy right now, but what was the plan when Starlink wasn't a thing? or when it was in its early stages, where they weren't expecting it to be this successful? Just get chosen by NASA or the gubinment, and pray that they don't get bored after the first mission?
>>16865516>let's talk about spaceflight>but not the only man who matters in spaceflightokay, retard
>>16865570>I'm out. this isnt fun anymoreand nothing of value was lostyou won't be missed
>>16865584Elon still had Tesla money then
>>16865586>the only man who matters in spaceflight
>Me, a Spacex shareholder hearing the recent Spacex valuation news and reading Elon's tweetsHoly shit I'm gonna be so fucking rich I'm gonna retire before 40 >Me, a space exploration enthusiast hearing the recent Spacex valuation news and reading Elon's tweetsIt has never been more over
>>16865584The plan was for space to somehow become profitable
WHY DOES SPACEX HATE ASTRONOMY???
>>16865479I can't wait for the AI bubble to burst and all the clankerphiles to kill themselves.
>before elon: /sfg/ - SpaceX Fanboy General>after elon: /sfg/ - SpaceX Fiasco General
>>16865584>what was the plan when Starlink wasn't a thing?The idea was that people would sell their property and go to live on Mars just for fun, and the colony would naturally become self sustaining
>>16865615The AI bubble is going to burst in the sense that people will eventually realize there is very little remaining money to be made from selling "google but you can also make it write shitty high school-level papers for you" to the general public.LLMs as an integrated database service are incredibly valuable and genuinely worth investing in, and I believe this is the market Spacex is targeting. Having a flexible network of thousands of compute nodes in space that also securely handle all of your P2P communications would be a dream scenario for both the government and like... every large corporation on the planet.
we'll know if mars is still the plan if spacex tries for a mars mission this year, or if they'll quietly shelve it
>>16865626next year*
>>16865626>a mars mission this yearbasedeither a relativistic poster, or the most 1 out of all 1s
donald trump killed solar to force the industry to move to space based power
Why are you all trying to rush a Mars colony?America was exploited for fishing off the grand banks, then settled in small profitable steps.If you try to jump to a colony in one step you get a new Darien fiasco
>>16865614How does astronomy increase profits?
>>16865631the spanish were grabbing clay within a few years of finding the new world. the north american east coast wasnt settled for so long, because it had a dense population of natives that kicked everyone back into the ocean who landed. jamestown was founded when the diseases went through and killed most of them. mars doesn't have natives thatd kick us out and the extreme difficulties in getting and surviving there selects for the best trained and most capable, not desperate starving peasants and fringe religious lunatics.
>>16865636>desperate starving peasants and fringe religious lunatics.These are precisely the people who have a reason to settle a dead world that is full of potential.
>>16865631There will be no profit in Mars for a very long time. There might be ways to offset some of the cost, but not completely pay for it all.
>>16865631because elon is right, this may be the only chance humanity has to colonize space
what will you all be doing during 4chan's scheduled maintenance tomorrow?
>>16865479Starship demonstrated total mass to orbit: Zero
all these people are arguing about data centers on reddit but none of them are showing math that proves or disproves it. nobody wants to read your wild speculation.
>>16865576>SpaceX/Musk doesn't depend on anyone else but themselves. When did Elon start refining his own steel, growing his own food, birthing his own workers in bio vats?
>>16865647>refining his own steel,will happen eventually>growing his own foodkimbal musk, his brother, has a company for that>birthing his own workers in bio vats?tesla optimus
>>16865477I hate it
I guess data centers in space could make sense to run AI but what's about training AI? It seems like currently the idea for data centers is basically Starlink but with GPUs and bigger solar panels, a distributed network spread across LEO. I thought having the least amount of distance between computational units is one of the main issue in computational intensive tasks, or is this not a huge issue?
>>16865651SpaceX is a billion dollar company in a trillion dollar world economy. The idea that Elon is some sort of giant astride the planet pointing the way forward is the pinnacle of Fordian megalomania.
>>16865584The plan may have been to try and gather enough momentum from public sentiment that Mars colonization would become a US government and private industry priority. Recall that Spacex only exists because the Russians pissed Elon off, and the original scope of his ambitions was to just send a little greenhouse to Mars on an old ICBM to inspire public interest in Mars. This would have been the extreme naïve early days. But that wasn't the case for long, because Starlink was kind of always the plan. It's right here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink#HistorySpacex has been involved with satellite internet constellation plans with other companies for most of its existence, even before Falcon 1 flew. As those fell through, and reuse started looking like it would be feasible, they brought that goal in-house instead of continuing to try and do it through a partnership.
>>16865653Tesla's moving towards unified training/inference chips. Thats why they scrapped the other AI chip project at Tesla and focused straight on their next gen AI5-AI6-AI7 chip trajectory. >>16865584>>16865656Yeah, early on SpaceX was leaning on gov and public support. But then with Starlink SpaceX planned to go alone if they have to. With how profitable SpaceX is now with Starlink and if they become truly super profitable their AI computes will be in space, they can truly go alone on their own, at their own pace. No need to stretch out to only handful of launches being funded per year, but could be dozens or hundreds if they truly have the capital to throw at Mars.
>>16865667Throwing Capital into a project that generates virtually zero revenue, such as Elon's Marsgorod, is a great way to destroy your company.
>>16865616There was no before elon, never has been
>>168656263 weeks left, its going to be tight but lets see
>>16865670Mars is going to be his legacy. But as a capitalist and an industrialist, he wont just be throwing money at it, it would rather be an investment into the future of Mars economy. The future of SpaceX as a multiplanetary colonial system ruling enterprise. Once Earth becomes destroyed via a major war or another form, SpaceX colony on Mars will become the default human branch for future civilization. Destiny will be manifested.To reach the self sustainable civilization station, early capital into Mars is necessary. All things civilization necessary needs to be established and then Earthers can nuke themselves to death if they want.
>>16865646I did some back of rhe napkin stuff a fre weeks ago using starlink launch costs and manufacturing costs as a baseline and then adding a compute component to themIt seems feasible (at least in the correct order of magnitude) even compared to data center prices on earth today for inferenceIt just needs launch costs to come down like 10x, starship should be able to do that easily
>>16865646I just checked reddit and they're all seething about Musk's plan on SpaceX section lmao.
>>16865653Training is going to require new technology to make the small distributed nodes coherent somehowOr put a very big platform in lagrange point or so ething, which will require new tech as wellBut it will happen eventually
>>16865655800bil, its starting to be up there I wouldnt be surpised if spacex becomes one of the mosy valuable companies eventuallyThat depends on what kind of space based industries pop up
>>16865656>Spacex has been involved with satellite internet constellation plans with other companies for most of its existence, even before Falcon 1 flew.Correct. To know Elon Musk is to know Craig McCaw, the original insane autistic billionaire. To give a short summary, Craig McCaw took a failing regional cable company left to him by his father in the late 1960s and turned it into the largest telecom company in the world (McCaw Cellular) by the mid-1990s, then doubled down and did it again with Nextel. Following the Nextel buyout, Craig McCaw and Bill Gates attempted to start the """original""" Starlink, called Teledesic, in the late 1990s. They ultimately failed because the technology wasn't mature enough but it served as inspiration for Elon. Early Spacex was filled with McCaw Cellular and Nextel executives, and Craig McCaw is rumored to be one of the largest and earliest investors in Spacex. I think it's reasonable to believe that satellite internet has been on Elon's mind since the very beginning.
>>16865655*$800 billionhttps://fortune.com/2025/12/06/spacex-insider-shares-transaction-more-valubale-than-openai/
https://x.com/CJHandmer/status/1997906033168330816?s=20>Here's one idea about SpaceX's next big thing. AI computing (inference) on orbit, but how the hell can SpaceX do this cheaper than just building more datacenters on the ground?>From first principles, it's an attractive proposition because the GPUs have extreme value per kg and extreme revenue per kW, both of which are relatively expensive. That is, the value prop somewhat washes out the pain of operating in space.Longish post
>>16865689>That is, the inference is performed by a thin piece of silicon that always faces the sun, connected to a somewhat smaller piece of thin silicon with billions of logic gates in it. This helps the thermal problem too, because we're not bringing a bunch of power into one concentrated place.
>>16865688If you don't understand the difference between revenue and asset value -- and you don't -- best if you just step away now.
>>16865689Show radiators
>>16865694If you were implying that there are companies making a trillion in revenue, then you're wrong toohttps://companiesmarketcap.com/largest-companies-by-revenue/
>>16865695Integrated on the back of the solar arrays that are always facing away from the sun
>If one Starship can launch 100 T to LEO, then that gets close to 30 MW of inference per launch. 1000 launches is 30 GW. Now we're talking real scale - and provided the revenue per kWh is greater than about $4.00, I think the economics work out.Starship: Total Launches to Orbit: Zero. Total Mass to Orbit: Zero
>>16865631>Darien fiascoman I'm liking this box, all that shit under the lid is latches and springs, it must have opened from some actuator on top
>>16865636Mars also doesn't have natives to enslave, soil to grow crops and you have to manufacture your air and water. Elon is planning to colonize an Antarctica where you have to hold you breath.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4MipyapuRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwb1frNorI
>>16865670It depends on how much money he can use. He already did the same with twitter.
>>16865670a business case will present itself
>>16865741A necessary amount to save the US, long enough to reverse the dangerous trend we were heading towards.
/sfg/ has been reduced to cheerleaders for glorified cell phone towers and datacenters.Every child's dream come true!"You want to wake up in the morning and think the future is going to be great - and that's what being a spacefaring civilization is all about... I can't think of anything more exciting than going out there and being among the stars"
>>16865516Oldfag here. Spaceflight General literally started as SpaceX General back when we were watching early Boca Chica progress. This was always a SpaceX first general. Go back to le reddit pls
>>16865821Anon, you can't go to Mars on dreams alone, or /sfg/ would already be there.You need money, lots of it.Hence the cheerleading.
>>16865831>ywn visit the hydroponic farm where Cousin Boneless lives with his extended family and play tag in the augmented reality SpessXbox with him and his goofy wiggly palswhy even live
ACES is finally getting funded?https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/dec/2/war-space-heres-could-unfold
>>16865821those are necessary enabling stepsyou are the child here if you don't see it
>>16865874>>16865821i.e. if the only thing keeping things going is the will of one person, then that is a very unstable situationif there is an economic incentive, there will be many people coming to the field to progress it forward even if they didn't care about the "goal" at allthis whole attitude is actually very childish and naive, its like the attempts to make things "green" without caring about it being economical in any wayto make a permanent positive change (by this I mean from the standpoint of the persons goals) you need the economic incentive i.e. make EVs cheaper and better
>>16865717>Elon is planning to colonize an Antarctica where you have to hold you breath.It's way better than Antarctica. Normal day night cycle, and there isn't a mile of ice between you and the useful minerals.
>>16865651>kimbal musk, his brother, has a company for thatCorrect me if I'm wrong but I believe it went under
Since nothing is happening I was watching this barely existing Space Podcast. One Boomers argues about Starship with Handmer and refers to thunderf00t's "work" where he says Starship lacks dV to get to orbit.https://youtu.be/W8FfSmubS1E&t=798>That's insulting to your audience. even suggest that Thunderfoot has something meaningful to say about about rockets that Thunderfoot literally like a counter signal. Everything he said about science and technology has been wrong for the last 10 years. I used to be I used to be a huge fan to be honest like I don't know 10 15 years ago he was fabulous especially in the new atheism stuff. Really really funny guy. At some point he lost the plot.
>>16865870tory should write less speculative scifi and manage his company better
>>16865883>10 15 years ago he was fabulous especially in the new atheism stuffYou know remember that neckbeard atheism era of Youtube
>>16865476>mass drivers on the moonGrok... what the...?!
>>16865886I 'member. "why people laugh at creationists", venomfangX, theamazingatheist aka banana-man, debunking noahs ark and the great flood.
>>16865898kind of weird how many of those people went 100% in on the whole woke thingso the atheism thing was motivated by aversion/hate towards christinity mainly and not any actual curiosity of what is true and what isn'tDawkins might be one of the few exceptions
>>16865831>"MUH JELLO BABIES"Star trek style gravity plate shit is 100% possible. The Ayys figured it out and so will we
>>16865877I'm all for Mars but let's be honest here, if there were a planet with the same characteristics we would call it a paradise.Water, breathable atmosphere, protection from radiation and the right amount of gravity.
>>16865590>>16865594>>16865595>>16865596well memed
>>16865891What's wrong with that?Low gravity and no atmosphere, it's perfect.
>>16865905or just, you know, spin a large enough circular craft like people have understood how to do since Werner von Braun and Arthur C Clarke
>>16865628The -1 disagrees with Elon on everything because he knows that Elon will outperform his own wildest expectations.400 tons, and not to LEO, but escape velocity—with zero refueling flights and by the end of this sentence
>>16865904The british atheists in general seem more resistant to it than americans
>>16865629He put the based in space based power
>>16865651>birthing his own workers in bio vats?>tesla optimusElon uses random adult human females for that
>>16865909I'm not really sure actuallya planet that was like antarctica, i.e. water and a thick atmosphere but miles of ice on top of everything, right gravityvs mars, thin atmosphere, low gravity, much colderI guess it would depend on the actual thickness of the ice, but making the antarctica planet self sustainable might be more difficultwould be much more difficult to land and get out of there for instance, so landing would be very risky, you would need much more infrastructure to get to some actual mineralsit would have plenty of water but mars has plenty of water as well, so idk of that is really a problem+ the low gravity will be very useful when you start using mars as a refueling station for going further
>>16865655>SpaceX is a billion dollar companyI need a new slur that's more powerful than gay, retarded or nigger
>>16865670He keeps finding a way to generate revenue. You should have noticed that.
>>16865921It exists, I got a 3 day ban for saying it.Hint: who is so immune to criticism that they need special laws to protect them?It so powerful anyone who says it gets insta-cancelled
>>16865915Maybe it's because America seems more religious, so being an atheist is more like a counter-reaction like fuck you mom, I'm going to stop going to church and start wearing a dress. Then the British ones are more just cynical like hello I'm a dry sarcastic Englishman and I will tell you why this thing is gay and stupid
>>16865670
>>16865883>The Space Show>retard quoting thunderniggerkek
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>>16865936Manned SRB launchers is such a wild concept. Arguably even crazier than hypergolic crewed vehicles like Gemini-Titan or the Lunar Module. Solids are crazy work.Imagine riding to space on OmegA, just one giant stack of solids lmfao
>>16865913if you are a savage maybe
>>16865538>only made a trillion dollarydoosyeah, he should have invested in beanie babies insteadhow many trillions have you made, by the way?
Did anyone miss /sfg/?
>>16865966i was crying the whole time
>>16865966>>16865968I came and shit my pantsWhat happened to /sfg/?
>>16865975it came back. thats all i need to know
>>16865966damn, I was being productive in the meantime
there really isnt anything going on today
>>16865937can't wait to see jeets fly on top of this
The grade of metal ore you could find in Antarctica far exceeds that on rust world. Enjoy trying to get results from what would be mine tailings on Earth lmao
>>16865831"I've been on a general of a sub on a fringe social media forum for decades" isn't the flex you think it is. It's just makes people sad in a there but sorta way.
>>16865538its coming, requires cheap tunneling first due to the curvature of the earth (and also the expense and complexity of getting right of way on ground)
>>16865994mars had a water cycle, so what do you base this on? also YWNBAW
>>16865996being a newfag and proud of it is even worse
>>16865877May we see these "useful minerals"? Since Mars lacks plate tectonics, which brings up the good stuff from down below. Has some ancient shield volcanism and an early hydro cycle to possibly concentrate deposits, but may not be much that's exploitable.Exception: A fair amount of metallic meteorites have been found by rovers. May be something in that.
>>16865999And Antarctica didn't?
>>16865989There's a Falcon 9 launching in a few hours, along with a Long March 6A and 2D going up at some undisclosed point today
>>16866000Only thing worse than that is being a proud oldtroonImagine being smug about wasting years of your life in this shithole.
>>16866009Now he'll boast about Moot replying to his post once and we'll be sad again.
>>16866009we all know we're here forever
>>16865999I'm very sorry that Mars's tiny core died aeons ago and can't power differentiating processes ;_;
>>16866014Teeny tiny core. The girl planets giggle when they see Mars' weensy metallic center.
