>>16871276
I wasn't talking about generic tips that would help people here, just the hoops you had to jump through in my irrelevant eastern euro shithole country 12 years ago to stand a chance of getting accepted into a western euro uni.
>>16871031
>Surely a physics phd goy can still own a house
what gave you that impression? the route most people with advanced STEM degrees took to secure a middle class lifestyle has been software engineering for the past 30 years, and that's now gone. for every tenure track position there are dozens of PhDs with zero employment prospects in their field.

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Anyone else feeling their executive function and attention span slipping? It is really interfering with my grad work. Any solutions? Meditation? Yoga? Digital minimalism?

I passed my quals!

>>16871466
stop gooning. don't use AI.

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>talk to postdoc from another group
>h index 2, 2 years after PhD
>nobody has the heart or decency to tell him that he won't have a career in research and should get out asap

>>16871651
How to not end up. like him.

>>16871661
do your PhD in a prestigious lab under a PI with a high H-index. people mostly cite highly cited articles

>>16871651
>about to defend thesis
>H-index of 2
Who the fuck is gonna cite some randos in eastern europe? I think joining the army after this is the only path left for me.

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How it feels to be in hep-th postdoc application season after applying to 30+ positions

>>16871451
>I wasn't talking about generic tips that would help people here, just the hoops you had to jump through in my irrelevant eastern euro shithole country 12 years ago to stand a chance of getting accepted into a western euro uni.
I think that too should have a place in the FAQ. Some parts of it is very specific already.

Consulting plunging even deeper than it already has:
>McKinsey Plots Thousands of Job Cuts in Slowdown for Consulting Industry
https://archive.is/5s431
>The firm’s leadership has discussed with managers in non-client-facing departments the need to cut about 10% of headcount across their business, according to people with knowledge of the matter. That could amount to a few thousand job cuts that McKinsey would stagger over the next 18 to 24 months, the people said, asking not to be identified because the details are private.
>The company still plans to hire more consultants as it cuts back on support functions, the people said. McKinsey hasn’t designated a code name for the plan this time around. Its push to ax about 1,400 jobs in 2023 under the internal label Project Magnolia had unnerved many of its staff, one of the people said.
Ah yes, the classical growth through slaughter-strategy. that always worked out well.
>Just last month, McKinsey cut about 200 global tech jobs as it joins rivals in using artificial intelligence to automate some positions.

Avoid, avoid.

should I get a b.s in mathematics

>>16872032
>should I get a bsc
for what purpose? AI will kill us all in 2027 according to polymarket.

>>16872035
i don't know what else to do and i like math

>>16872039
get a loan and spend it all on hookers and blow. better waste of money than university.

>>16872039
>and i like math
Chances are you don't know what math is yet. Go through a book on set theory first, and then reconsider if you like math or just computing. I see a lot of people fail math and physics programs because they don't even understand what they're getting into.

>>16872099
i've taken several real math classes and i know what math is

>>16872103
I don't believe you, but sure.
If you like it enough to commit to getting a useless degree, yes pursue a BS in Mathematics. However, I can't say I would recommend it to anyone who intends for their degree to lead to a related job. If you intend to go to a field where just having the degree is what matters (like many government jobs), not the actual content, than I'd encourage it. If you plan on getting a job in math, then you're a fool.

>>16872125
what would you recommend then? and why do you say the last part?

>>16872128
I'd recommend you grow up. Since you're clearly too impatient to wait for that, ask someone who already has--your professors.

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>>16872131

>>16872032
Only if you want to have major problems with getting a job. We have had several autobiographies on /scg/ over the years, about people with a maths degree struggling to get a job.

>>16872039
Do a DSP heavy EE degree and you can use maths skills and get a paying job.

>>16872209
>EE
if he actually likes math engineering will be wildly disappointing.

>>16872128
Stop listening to 4chan tards. Maths is a fine degree just keep your options open learn some applied maths even if you prefer pure maths. Learn at least some programming. That way you can find yout way in finance or programming. Try to do some internships which are practical that will allow you to pivot to these things.

The job market isn't great but a math degree isn't an arts degree.

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>>16872568
This guy works for the admissions office lol.

Writing is on the wall for "learn to code" unless you are generational talent of algorithmic mathematics AI will outpace your ability to write and integrate systems early in your career. Learn to code is what the head monk would be saying to the acolyte scribe as they watch a printing press get installed across the street; just accept the fact that midwit programming jobs (99% of them) are axed and if not axed will simply be re-distributed in the office cutting the actual job out.

For example in my research group we cut back 50% on intern hires and our electrical and other engineers simply picked up the workload on the side as prompt & audit isn't that time intensive if you aren't doing novel programming and simply integrating new features into an existing codebase.

>>16872394
What would you do?
I did DSP programming having a background in Physics, had a lot of reading to do. It is possible but not the normal route in to DSP.

>>16872568
>The job market isn't great but a math degree isn't an arts degree.
No, it is worse. A PhD in math is worse than a breakdancing PhD, careerwise.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES GET A MATH DEGREE

>>16872568
>Learn at least some programming. That way you can find yout way in finance or programming.
Did you just fall ouyt of a tree? Both the programming job and finance job markets are tanking, hard.

>>16872698
People keep saying this but I don't see it.
I was in the automotive industry and it went to shit but most people I knew have gotten jobs. From my estimate 15% of them haven't gotten jobs yet but can't say I'm surprised because:
a) The company hired anyone that walked in before they tanked (or im underestimating this)
b) the ppl without jobs just didn't have the profile
c) They sucked at their job (cant verify for all of em but the ones I saw perform badly were really bad)

>>16872621
engineers don't do math.

>>16872937
OK. So who develops new DSP algorithms?

>>16872951
ChatGPT mostly nowadays.

>>16872734
Man are you stupid or something? Nobody was talking about fucking cars. Pull your head out of your ass.

>>16872951
computer scientists. but they don't really do math either.

how's power compared to embedded and/or RF when it comes to pay, after you get a couple years of experience?
i got an $85k offer to do power shit near DC, which isn't fantastic, but it's still pretty decent for a new grad offer. however, my background is in embedded and still i'm waiting to hear back for a hardware design gig that's in the midwest
dealing with HCOL on a relatively low salary and working in a field as notoriously boring as power is a lot less than ideal, but the possibility of getting a PE and even a clearance is stopping me from denying the offer outright

>>16873180
>$85k near DC
Bro I'm pretty sure that's poverty tier. Like, I don't know if you can live alone on that; to my knowledge you'd need a roommate.

>>16872643
He didn't say PhD. He said degree.

>>16873158
Retard the automotive industry has tanked harder than any other ones. Get yout head out of your ass of course you cant get a job if you are retarded. Nothing to do with the industry

>>16873188
there are other degrees?

What kind of a job can i get with a PhD in Algebraic geometry?

>>16873226
Sure! Algebraic geometry is indeed a prestigious and highly in-denand field — some of the top career paths include:
1. Algebraic geometry professor
2. Unemployed

>>16873189
You are so out of your depth here it is laughable.

>>16873322
kek this made me crack up

Why does everyone want to be a patent lawyer now? I see this being talked about all over by people with STEM degrees, it's like a viral meme at this point.
Does intellectual property laws even make sense when we have such a high level of global integration? If you invent something that is useful obviously someone in some other jurisdiction will just copy it.

>>16873481
>Why does everyone want to be a patent lawyer now?
That sounds like a massive exaggeration, in fact several in the last thread were very much against it.
>I see this being talked about all over by people with STEM degrees, it's like a viral meme at this point.
Now that management consulting in the big 3 and big 4 are cutting back heavily and also delaying junior intakes, there remains a possibility still in intellectual property. That is not limited to patent attorneys but also as patent examiners, which are also well paid.
>Does intellectual property laws even make sense when we have such a high level of global integration?
Sure. There are many international conventions and laws on this, including TRIPS.
>If you invent something that is useful obviously someone in some other jurisdiction will just copy it.
People may try but they can be taken to court.

Apparently Physics degrees are useful in Italy for job seeking even with a 3 year and no masters. Would you guys recommend me to get one? I'm a 31 year old NEET I'd start next year in October. Something always draws me to physics.

>>16873584
What court? Let's say some Chinese company just steals your IP and starts using it in China, how do you enforce that? You won't do shit.

>>16873616
I wouldn't recommend a physics degree unless you intend to get a PhD, but I don't know how that changes for Italy; I'm American.
What draws you to physics? Many people, like with math, think they like physics because of some stuff they did in high school or pop science, but that's not representative of what the field actually looks like.
You need to have very good calculation (non proof math) skills, particularly calculus. You need to be able to intuit what solutions to problems should be prior to actually solving them from the physical laws at play, and recognize if an answer makes sense or not. You also need to be very comfortable with abstraction, even ideas that you were just introduced to.
If any of those sounds like it'd be a problem, I would definitely strongly reconsider a physics degree. I would also really think about what you actually want to do. An engineering/chemistry degree is likely a better choice if you don't plan on graduate school.

>>16873616
What is the job you are expecting to get after a physics degree?

It doesn't prepare you for any particular job. It's not unemployable but if the goal specifically is to get employed I wouln't recommend it. When I was an undergrad the most common pipeline for physics majors was various flavors of programming jobs. But we know what that market looks like now.

I did a PhD in Physics and I'm basically a gimped engineer without the proper skillset, with much narrower job prospects and warehouse worker levels of pay. Even this job was something of a miracle and if/when I need to move on or the company goes belly up I have zero idea what I could even do.

>>16873638
>>16873622
I don't know, ChatGPT said it was employable for finance, software and engineering roles. Sort of treated like an engineering-lite degree.

As for if I'm talented, probably not. I'm like slightly above average IQ. But it'd be to study undergrad and just get a random job, that way I kill two birds with one stone: study what I find drawn to and then just get a job in whatever.

>>16873657
>finance
This is locale-dependent. If you're doing physics at MIT or Cambridge, maybe, because those schools and countries have these opportunities. If you're doing physics at a random uni in my Euro shithole and apply for a local finance job your resume goes into the shredder. Generally requires a target school and a high performer who goes out of their way to get the internships/networks/opportunities. This is not a major career pipeline for normal physics undergrads.

>software
Used to be true, but physics doesn't actually teach you programming to a degree where that is competitive, and the job market for entry-level programmers is a hellscape.

>engineering
Real engineering roles require licensed engineers. See my comment about being a gimped engineer at a lower salary and worse job prospects with a more advanced degree.

>>16873667
Cant you take the licensing exam with your degree in physics? In my country the engineer accreditation board consider science undergrads

>>16873618
It is hard but it is possible. As Chinese companies increasingly rely on own research and development (and not just industrial espionage) they enforce IP to a greater extent. It was the same in the US, started out as Wild West and now is the number one enforcer. There is a reson why movie making ended up in Hollywood.
You can also enforce your rights when Chinese pirates attempt to export the goods into countries where you have a patent. It also depends on how much your own foreing office cares. Many European foreign offices and diplomats couldn't care less about industrry, while the US tend to support their industry abroad.

>>16871374
How do I get a job in the chemical engineering field when the employers specifically state that applicants studying for a bachelor's degree will be denied? I've been looking for a compounder job for a while and nothing. I have a forklift license, I've presented them with my coursework and still nothing

>>16873616
Most physics undegrad degree holders used to move into codemonkeying but that's not an option. The entire STEM degree market was propped up by the exuberant demand for codemonkeys which no longer exists.

There is no market for physicists outside physics, and there are hundreds of physics undergrads for every physics research job.
>engineering
You can't be an engineer without an engineering degree in most countries. And while you can easily pick up an academic graduate degree after engineering (I've done it and know many who have), you can't do the reverse.

>>16873917
They find other uses. Take nuclear physics graduates. From tech level to Phd. They will be in all manner of field generally driven by salary. Power distribution, reactor operation, automation/instrumentation technicians, etc. Engineers suffer this same fate generally. Because processes are only designed once and then you enter the maturity cycle. Work out bugs, make this faster, how can we eliminate manpower, etc. Engineers will excel in such optimization roles if the pay is right.
Similar thing happens to soft skills as well. A lot of arts graduates become writers and propagandists.

>>16871466
I never felt that way in my 30s. But I tested out of curiosity how do I solve the same engineering tasks that I was doing in university. Turned out I didn't get dumber at all, my mind become calmer and easier to concentrate, attention span increased so I solve those tasks easily.

Encourage everyone to repeat this experiment.

>>16872568
>learn some applied maths even if you prefer pure maths. Learn at least some programming.
Learn ML and be on the top of the pyramid

>>16873845
Maybe look at job postings that specifically ask for interns? Does your school have an internship program? Schools have their own job boards that companies would advertise their open intern positions.

What are in your opinion fields or research areas that will go nowhere at best or are straight up rackets at worst, as in being a result of lobbying efforts?

-Carbon Capture
-Water Splitting
-Explainable AI
-Everything related to the 'Hydrogen Economy'
-String theory
-Contemporary Combustion Engine research
-The bazillionth Quantum Computing Hardware project

Anything else?

>>16874135
Most of those positions are part time only and the ones that are full time pay much less than my current job (45k/year). I can't afford to earn less I have to help in rent, pay my debts and I'm only getting half my grant. I can only go for full time jobs

>>16873180
You just need to pick a career path and stay in it. Engineering is highly compartmentalized. It's all "electrical engineering" but the power guys don't give a shit about your embedded experience and vice-versa. If you're worried that power is too "boring" for you (not even sure what this means) then the last thing you want to do is build up a bunch of experience in power and then try to pivot to something else later on.

>>16874141
Quantum computing
Fusion

>>16874141
>Carbon Capture
>Water Splitting
>'Hydrogen Economy'
>tfw going to grad school for all of these

>>16871484
congrats anon!

>>16871857
>hep-th
kys nigga

Boy I'd love to tell my supervisor and his favourite little faggot students what I think of them...


...while they are laying in hospital in comas.

>>16874141
>String theory
literally who even cares about string theory in 2025?

>>16874473
Far too many; that field has sucked in a lot of talent who have then proceeded to make zero advances in our real world understanding of nature.

>>16874548
At least 2 generations of the world's most brilliant theoretical physicists have been wasted by this sirene of a shit theory. Imagine the kind of advances they could have contributed to instead.

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>>16874343
Tried and failed, and I'll make it everyone's problem
>>16874473
>>16874556
As a string theorist, I find the math pretty, though I'm not a "true believer" per se. I still find it less depressing that the Dark Matter people being like "ok we saw nothing" for years

Anyone who has ever talked about math in an aesthetic sense is an NPC faggot redditor. There is no clearer sign.

>>16874141
>-Carbon Capture
Political correctness that is bringing the West down to its knees. Only the US will survive and rampant TDS means the reset will reject the truth.
>-Water Splitting
More of the above. Hopefully this will be sent to the scrapheap when fusion power arrives.
>-Explainable AI
A dead end that will suck in vast amounts of money and resources, and in the process secure jobs for telephone sanitizers who cannot get other jobs.
>-Everything related to the 'Hydrogen Economy'
State sanctioned fraud
>-String theory
Intellectual rot that, somehow, is attractive to far too many bright minds.
>-Contemporary Combustion Engine research
Will be needed another 50 years until safe high energy density batteries arrive, if ever. High energy density batteries today are far too explosive, which in my experience far too few realise.
>-The bazillionth Quantum Computing Hardware project
Solid state semi- and superconducting devices will be hot topics for decades to come.

>>16875110
>Will be needed another 50 years until safe high energy density batteries arrive, if ever. High energy density batteries today are far too explosive, which in my experience far too few realise.

Outdated information. China is already implementing the world's strictest electric vehicle battery safety standards, with new regulations taking effect next year (GB38031-2025), requiring that battery packs do not catch fire or explode for at least two hours (up from 5 minutes) after a thermal runaway event. Don't want explosive Batterie? Well China said just ban them, lol.

Unfortunately Western companies haven't caught up with Chinese tech and safety standards, so this will further cement China's domination in this sector, ironic, isn't it?

>hot topics
Yes, I have already said that it's a huge gift/bubble. That's what hot topics are.

>>16875138
OK, so solution and innovation by regulation? Sounds more like EU than China. And no matter the regulation, it is never a substitute for researd, innovation and development. The energy densities we have today are far, far below that of traditional hydrocarbon fuels.

>>16875166
Literal NPC grift-speak that comes straight out of the handbook of the fossil fuel lobby. Thank god the Chinese government is not as easily manipulated as dumb Westerners and their lobby groups.

>>16875179
>>16875138
Why should some lithium compound interaction cater to words written on a piece of paper? Can you describe this mechanism?
Thermal runaway is not necessarily its own root cause. One cannot make a law specifically saying thermal runaway must take x time because the event only occurs because something in the system has become unstable. Why would someone believe a system guarantee in this circumstance?
>we arent in thermal run away because our coolant pumps faster as temperature increases

Here is my prediction, the chink shills will cry when chinese cars start exploding like its GTA. This is because they are going to define thermal runaway as some kind of threshold moment that they can technically satisfy by using some kind of pressure or thermal containment system.

>>16875166
>OK, so solution and innovation by regulation?
NTA but, um, yeah?

>it is never a substitute for researd, innovation and development
Companies have no incentive for developing Good Thing while Cheap Bad Thing remains legal. You know - asbestos lining, tetraethyl lead, thalidomide, Ford Pinto? Outlawing batteries that go boom is exactly how you get batteries that are as good or somewhat worse, but no longer go boom.

>>16874469
Why are like half of advisors such genuinely garbage human beings? Consequence of being big fish in a small ponds their whole lives and eventually realizing they aren't that special and taking it out on their students? I find the professors that regularly publish are perfectly kind and tolerable and it's the fucking losers that are angry dickheads for no reason.

>>16875212
First off, batteries do not become safe by declaration, current cemistries are inherently dangerous. And there is already a need for better batteries but funding is not there and the EU industrial base is already shredded and offshore to China. The research basis is also badly broken and more grand speeches will not fix that.
The only real hope for better battery chemistry are US and Japan.

>>16875280
China currently has the best battery tech and most Japanese and American manufacturers are completely reliant battery cell technology. By the end of next year there will be 100 million EVs i in China, more than in the rest of the world together. It's time to stop coping dude and drop the 2005-era talking points and the unscientific fear-mongering. People are stopping to believe the fear-mongering pushed by big oil.

>>16875284
>China currently has the best battery tech
Perhaps, but that was not what this was about at all. My argument is that we need something better. Compare current tech, be it by energy density per kg or per litre, with that of diesel. You need to do a lot more research and development to get there, and no matter the amounts of regulation will not help you get there. Your reading comprehension is shot.

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Do not get a math degree. I post my resume to discourage anyone going down this route. Save yourself.

>>16875272
In my case it was just that the guy was a prestige whore who's never been found lacking through no fault of his own. Doesn't know what it's like if you haven't got the golden mark, so he's no use to someone who doesn't just glide through life effortlessly.

>>16875110
>Hopefully this will be sent to the scrapheap when fusion power arrives.
What, you can just electrolyze water for cheap if you have fusion power. It seems like the obvious way to handle fuels, desu.

>>16875428
When fusion power is operational, we might as well go with carbon sub nitride and stabilized cubane.

>>16875405
>7 year masters
uh what the actual fuck?

>>16875517
The consequence of unfettered Scandi socialism, surely

>be me
>3rd year of my 1st postdoc with new PI
>working at top-30 uni in the USA
>group is an absolute circus
>huge turnover of postdocs; 3 have quit in the past 18 months and I hope to follow before summer
>I firmly believe the PI is mildly schizophrenic changing her mind about fundamental aspects of the project every other day
>seems to change her mind after every seminar and every chat with departmental assistant professor candidate
>'why don't we just try this extremely difficult and novel technique teehee'
>sends sassy 'just some thoughts I had' emails at 11pm on Saturday and gets bitchy if you don't reply before Monday 9 am
>grad students are 6-7 tiktok brainrot gen alpha lobotomites
>flat out refuse to learn how to use the equipment and run any of the analysis
>told off a new Chinese grad student a few weeks ago for wasting my time asking how to do the same thing 4 times (on the 3rd of which I drew a elementary school-level diagram of what he had to do to which he said he understood)
>spoilers its still not done a month and a half on
>now he avoids me and nags the PI instead
>spoilers - he ignores what she tells him too
>started looking for work elsewhere
>had a good interview with another group earlier this year
>current PI had a meltdown when she found out
>literally badmouthed the group every group meeting for a solid month
>suspect the cunt wrote a bad reference letter out of spite so didn't get the job in the end
>now looking for industry jobs
>planning to leave with no notice soon as something (anything) comes up

Pro tip: never ever take a job with a new PI and if you do never ever let them write you letters of rec for other positions.

What's it like working for a Chink or Poo PI? Should you do it?

>>16875517
look at the whole resume. he's clearly including his bsc in the master's years. a 5 year engineering degree + a 2 year master's + a 4 year phd is quite common in europe, sadly. we don't have 4 year combined msc + phd here.

>>16875695
>female girl boss PI
yikes. you never had a chance.

>>16875764
As an American, that's not at all clear and his resume would get trashed because I'd assume he's retarded.
Although I might do that anyways just because he's eurotrash desu.

>>16875695
Asking your current PI for a letter without being clear with them that you are not going to fulfill your contract is retarded though.

>New PI has already several postdocs probably was a postdoc a few months ago
That's even more retarded

>>16875405
Nothing wrong with systems engineering, just get that comfy MBSE pay for drawing boxes and passing them as "model requirements" to domain engineering slaves

>>16875695
>never ever take a job with a new PI

Amen to this. Even if you luck out and get the rare non-reptilian young PI, you are at a very high risk of getting fucked over by their career moves.

>>16875695
>new PI
lol
lmao
get absolutely fucked

>>16875772
Better to hire Rajeesh the Scammer, agreed.

>>16875772
>I'd assume he's retarded
I am retarded.

Majored in chemistry. Don't what do a PhD, just my Master's. Realized I'm fucked because in my county 80% of chemist grads do PhDs so a Master's isn't taken seriously basically.

Should I switch to something like Energy Tech for grad school? They have a program that would accept me wt my university.

>>16875878
1. Figure out roughly what kind of job you want
2. Stalk people in similar roles on LinkedIn, see what their background is
3. Plan your next moves accordingly

>>16875772
>because I'd assume he's retarded
So who did you hire intsead??
This stupidity is the only one I have heard that is on the level of one of my very much former employers who thought PhD was a weird spelling of BSc.

>>16875881
I am stuck here. I want to pivot to a more applied materials science. This graduate program is basically a mix between a physical chemistry and a materials science Master's that focuses heavily on applied energy tech like solar cells, batteries and to a certain degree fuel cells. I think that's better to get a job long-term in different industries. Getting some solar and thin films background would allow me to pivot to semiconductors

>>16875895
NTA but what exact part of
>Figure out roughly what kind of job you want
is so hard to understand?

>>16875881
NTA I realized that copying other people in similar role with similar background never worked out because there was always a mismatch in the end between what they do and what I want to do in the future
The best way I think is the one where you specifically do your own thing instead of copying others or doing what people tell you

>>16875919
Fair enough, but if that is the approach taken, it is kind of useless to ask for advice.

>>16875895
You could aim for semiconductor related materials science, most likely there will be plenty of jobs. And you have to figure out what kind of job you want, notjust the field, as pointed out in >>16875881 and >>16875903.

>>16875930
Advice is helpful if you can't figure out your goals clearly or you don't know what path to take to reach the endpoint you want to get in
Let's say you want to end up in semiconductors but you have no clue how to get there, that's a good way to ask
But just looking at some dude on linked in and copying him might not work out because you don't have the opportunities he had while having your own, and if you do like him you'll end up nowhere

>>16875895
Do a masters thesis at institute that does something with semiconductors and go from there
CMOS, sensors, LEDs, GaN devices or even 2D materials work fine and with clean room experience you also have easy entry in PhD
Unfortunately I'm afraid you'll need that PhD because without it all the jobs that are available to you in the industry will be something on the level of lab technician

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Any recent MechEs who graduated recently have any luck? I haven't gotten any interviews in months...

>>16875772
>As an American, that's not at all clear
who the fuck asked you? it's clear enough to people whose opinions matter

>>16875878
>>16875895
I'm a chem major too and I'm looking to apply to either Chemical Engineer or Materials Science programs next cycle. When I started my chemistry degree I thought I wanted to work on pharmaceuticals but I realized the field of organic chemistry is littered with neurotic and narc PIs who will powertrip over their slaves I mean grad students. Plus most of the important vitamins, biomolecules, and medicines have already been synthesized. Nowadays orgo and synethic chemistry research encompasses: let's try to improve the yield of this particular reaction by 5% or let's try to elucidate the reaction mechanism and intermediates of this reaction pathway or let's figure out a way to synthesize this small molecule. Of course to some people working on pure chemistry problems is exciting but it doesn't sound as compelling to me compared to more applied research where you are applying your chemistry knowledge to complex systems like semiconductors or fuel cells. I feel like the golden era of pure chemistry research in the 20th century is long gone and as higher level research becomes more interdisciplinary chemists would have to broaden their skillset in areas of biology, physics, and engineering. Luckily chemistry is pretty broad as a subject matter so transitioning to other areas of science wouldn't be a problem.

>>16876230
>the field of organic chemistry is littered with neurotic and narc PIs who will powertrip over their slaves I mean grad students
Correct

>Plus it's boring
Maybe some areas. There's cool things left to be done with organic semiconductors for example.

>as higher level research becomes more interdisciplinary chemists would have to broaden their skillset in areas of biology, physics, and engineering
It's certainly become interdisciplinary, but at least in an academic context what this means is that rather than one gigachad doing the whole paper you have multiple groups on every major paper (computational, synthetic, characterization, devices) which by the way makes every publication an exercise in project management and a giant pain in the dick

>>16876230
>neurotic and narc PIs who will powertrip over their slaves
Derek Lowe has covers this in his column, including PIs with huge suicide numbers.
https://www.science.org/blogs/pipeline

>>16875405
How did you get jobs bro? If you get a math PhD you have to work as a janitor kek

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>>16877257
Just be yourself

>>16877257
NTA but he used about a year and it also took the communal effort of this general. He posted so much we can recognize him by his style, no computer based stylometrics needed.

What is going to be the next racket after SWE?

I’ve climbed the ranks and gotten to a point in my career where junior people are afraid of, or get nervous, talking to me. At my other companies I used to be able to shoot the shit and take my filter off with most of my coworkers, even go have Friday beers at quitting time. Now I can’t do any of that shit because of “appearances” or something and have to act like a corpobot managetron

>>16876086
You haven’t taken the FE exam, have you?

Look, to all the MechE’s, EE’s, and CivE’s that aren’t super genius Tony Stark motherfuckers who graduated from MIT at 16, you have a very straightforward career pipeline

>graduate college
>take and pass the FE
>work for some literally who design/construction firm for 4 years
>either go back to school for a year or so to get an MBA and go into management OR get your PE and be a technical SME
>job hop up to a big boy company from there.

>>16877470
getting ground into phosphate paste to feed the pleasure arcologies of the feudal elite who landed on the winning side of the AI breakout bet to win everything forever and get to deprecate the other 99.999% of humanity

>>16877517
Stop hiring sissies and get some real ones who go hard and have thick necks on your team.

>>16877517
I am a senior partner and a major shareholder among the partners, and I have carefully avoided what you describe.
As a senior, it is part of my job to train my juniors until they one day is better than what I have been. Many seniors hoard the interesting stuff for themselved, while I make a point to bring in juniors on these cases for training and teambuilding. I prepare as if I was doing it alone while they also prepare, Then I let them run the case untilI see them lose sight of the comfort zone and start sweating visibly and then step in. They are already informed that I alone hold the responsibility for the case but even so it is always draining the first times. So we bring the cases to a successful conclusion, while training them of the practical aspects. They already know the theory but sitting there in the firing line, trying to apply theory on the fly is tough.

So it works, they learn a lot, they gain confidence, I don't appear to be a distant partner, and we build a team. Admittedly, the problem is that competitors poach the juniors but we definitely avoid the very real problem you describe.

>>16876086
im an EE, so my experience might not be applicable, but i've been getting a decent number of interviews. if you're getting nothing, your resume is probably fucked. couldnt hurt to post it here.
and like >>16877523 says, getting your EIT will be a big help if you're willing to work as an MEP slave

math undergraate here. I just finished my first year at college.
I want to learn a skill to have sidegigs that are no tutoring nor education.
I would love to do something physical like learning to weld, but I cant buy the tools as for now.

I was thinking getting a pentester certification from TryHackMe. It's more affordable.

I guess I can also do some DataAnalytics too, I did the Course from Google in Coursera and also the Marketing one.

I also took some Intro to CS where I learned OOP and Java. I want to enroll on future CS Classes. So, a gig related to computers would be nice evethough the given circimstances.

I know beginner jobs are dead. Should I go for the THM PenTester Cert or should I look for a certification, learn a skill or learn next semester subjects this winter vacations?
I'm also open to new ideas

>>16878411
>math undergraate here. I just finished my first year at college
what the fuck are you doing nigger. why are you willingly getting a math degree if you're capable of reading this thread? switch to a degree program that'll actually get you a job

>>16878411
Stop thinking supply, what are small companies in your area that can give you some training as part of a side job or internship or whatever? And then check what prerequisites they want. Going into IT right is worse than going into retail or hospitality

>>16878411
>math undergraate here.
Oh no!
> I just finished my first year at college.
Still time to switch subjects.
And what did the university tell you about career prospects? I'd realylike to see how they trick bright youth into such a dead end.

>>16878411
>math undergraate here
Switch to engineering before it is too late.

>>16878411
>I also took some Intro to CS where I learned OOP and Java. I want to enroll on future CS Classes. So, a gig related to computers would be nice evethough the given circimstances.
for what purpose? CS is a dead field.

I just finished my PhD in Molecular and Cell biology from a top 50ish place.

No industry internships, no papers published.

Looking for jobs as a research scientist in Boston biotech companies.

How is the job market for this right now? How fucked am I?

Is a PhD in statistics bad?
Im thinking that I can easily get a statistician/data scientist/ML/AI-whatever job if I don't make in academia and I would probably be way better qualified than most code monkeys larping as data scientists or ML engs

>>16878682
>How is the job market for this right now?
Please let us all know when you find out.

t.FAQ editor.

I like how he put Topology and Number Theory under Engineering.

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>>16878454
small companies are looking for graduated profesionals. the job market in my country is flooded by graduates who purchase their degree at shady universities, companies get the upper hand on the job market. Companies rather get a glue sniffer with a purchased degree than a student at a well know university.
I tried nepotism, but family wont help me get a job.
I know I have an skill issue, hence why I ask, should I focus on getting a cert or focus on next semester subjects
I can wait for interships, but it would be nice to have beer money.

>>16878682
>no papers published.
>Looking for jobs as a research scientist in Boston biotech companies.
what

>>16878755
you won't be. ML is basically fully its own field now. the theoretical framework to give you some sort of advantage simply doesn't exist because it's an empirical, experimental science.

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Do you think the admission committee will laugh at me when they see my transcript? It took me 8 years to finish my Bachelors (first couple years I took a bunch of random courses, changed my major three times, until I settled on Physics). After that I was only taking enough courses to be technically considered a full-time student. By the end of my degree I just couldn't believe how much time I wasted.

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>>16876230
You can do synthetic chemistry in a non-synthetic focused group. I used to work for big name PI but couldn't stand the culture and now I do some synthesis for spectroscopists and the difference in culture is night and day. Going from shit talking gossiping lab mates who are more concerned about who is fucking who instead of their reactions to this lab who are focused on science is fantastic. The funding is way better because the molecules I make are useful for solving problems, and the science is way more interesting due to being interdisciplinary and not just scoping out 30 substrates for a marginally different reaction. The training is as good or even better than what I would get from a lab focused on synthesis too. Look into the fields of chemical biology or see if some physical chemists need synthetic work done that helps avoid the toxicity, funding problems, and boredom that comes from working in an organic synthesis only group.

>>16879016
Yet knowing the theory you'll understand things better instead of randomly adjusting parameters. Also, degree may be good for your cv?

Sorry for basic question but I'm a lurker. Is computer science still a viable degree in the uk because I've had alot of people tell me it's a dying field. And are ai skills useful because either seems really interesting or is it overhyped?

>>16879052
Number of CS students is decreasing, number of open positions is increasing, but it's still very shit.

>>16879052
> Is computer science still a viable degree
The times when CS/IT was an easy degree with an easy and basically effortless career path in software engineering or data science are over. It is becoming more similar to a normal engineering degree: Below average grades do not guarantee you a job in the field, and if you are not open to doing R&D than your career is capped quite early. If you are open for R&D then a CS MSc from even mid UK universities is still viable.

>And are ai skills useful because either seems really interesting or is it overhyped?
We have just passed peak-AI hype, and people realize that "AI skills" requires the same depth and training as "Office skills". Specialize in something more niche that your university is actually good at, not at the latest IT slop.

>>16879018
Nobody cares. They just want grad student to keep the pyramid scheme going.

>>16879047
>knowing the theory
that's my point, retard, there is no theory to know. statistics does not study the irreducible emergent properties of fuckhuge stacks of simple universal function approximators, the whole field of modern ML is far more akin to biology than it is to traditional statistics.

the building block models used and their properties are well understood, but that's not what the research is about. in statistics you will spend years dissecting various tiny but elaborate parametric models and jerking off over your ability to prove things about them; only to enter ML and realize it's all completely irrelevant, the meta is stacking universal function approximators (which all work approximately the same so long as you can backprop them) to obscene depths and studying them empirically.

>>16879052
>computer science still a viable degree
Unclear, and if you get a job it will be a slave ship.
>in the uk
No, unless you are going to Oxford or Cambridge, in which case you will be a slave driver rather than a whipped slave. Degrees in the UK are still good, though endless doom scrolling in Financial Times is documenting the rapid decline, so get a degree, quckly, and then leave the UK to get a job. No reason to return unless itis for retirement.
Yes, it is that bad.

>>16879112
>statistics does not study
Opportunity

>the building block models used and their properties are well understood
They just invented ReLU, what are you talking about, it's baby steps phase

>meta
Loosers.

>>16879146
They did not "just" invent the relu lol. You are onto a hiding to nothing trying to break into this field if that's where your heads at mate.

>>16878755
CS departments are much better for ML. Most statisticians prefer to work on parametric statistics which is completely different from ML.
>I would probably be way better qualified than most code monkeys larping as data scientists or ML engs
No.

>>16879047
ML has no theory. It's just finding the right parameters until your clients are happy.
You know how retards think math is just doing arithmetic? Yeah well ML people have that same idea about statistics. If you want to understand data, sure study statistics, but no company will pay you for it. ML cannot interpret data, make inferences, avoid overfitting, etc., but it can do a deliverable within a timeframe and with minimal labour.

A stats degree can be useful in a job where the numbers actually matter and is not just jerking off material for clients. Jobs like proper quant and even some data science jobs in companies who actually care about the number (Google for instance), but those are few and far between, and you could get a job—maybe not the same one—in those companies just as easily with a ML monkey degree.

>>16879090
>>16879099
>>16879116

Very refreshing to have non-slop answers from 4chan thank you. And it would be a mid tier uni as that's what I have near me and I have cheap living arrangements with a partner right now.

Are there any tech degrees doing well at the moment or is it equally bleak across the industry. I like tech and want to escape being a retail wagie

>>16878682
>I just finished my PhD
>no papers published

Not to be an asshole, I know things don't always go to plan, but how did this come to be?

>>16878682
I am a math phd with 6 published papers and 1 preprint. I couldn't find an academic job so I work for a defense contractor.

>>16879112
>statistics does not study the irreducible emergent properties of fuckhuge stacks of simple universal function approximators
Statistics does study model ensembling and boosting.
There is even a statistical framework for neural networks in general but very little to none on deep neural network architectures.
>statistics you will spend years dissecting various tiny but elaborate parametric models and jerking off over your ability to prove things about them

Statistics is not just that. You learn pretty much about everything an ML-student learns about (much more rigorously) except deep neural network architectures, which are overkill for 99% of the tasks that aren't computer vision or language, and require a fuckton of data and compute resources both at training and prediction time.
This rigor allows you to make claims and say something is true for certain which you can't do in ML. All of science depends on the rigor of hypothesis testing.
Additionally you have access to a ton of models that ML monkeys can never understand.
I can easily read any paper on transformers or CNNs and fully understand it while the ML monkey can never comprehend bayesian networks or graphical models.

>>16879262
Those are both part of any reputable early graduate level course on ML.

>>16879264
Not only that but they don't scale and are clapped out uncslop...

>>16879264
Probably not, but these are statistical models, you can't understand them if you don't already know bayesian statistics and random variables.
If your ML master's is teaching you bayesian priors and conditional distributions then it's a statistics master's rebranded to ML because the name "ML" is the new shit.

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>>16878682
>I just finished my PhD
>no papers published
>How fucked am I?

>>16879196
>Are there any tech degrees doing well at the moment or is it equally bleak across the industry.
We are in a world-wide recession, with a big crisis looming over the West, everything sucks. In 3-4 years when you get your degree it will look better, but there is no serious way of knowing what will be looked for then. My guess is that systems engineering will remain relevant, because it is niche and genuinely soul sucking, and stuff related to environmental sciences. What uni are you considering?

>>16879262
>except deep neural network architectures
ML is pretty much synonymous with DL nowadays. Hell, even decision trees are not something that is given much focus in stats. Companies hugely care a lot more about how much DL and especially, NLP you know, which is not standard curriculum in stats. The jargon you learn in an ML degree helps a lot landing job and dealing with client satisfaction. Clients and interviewers love hearing "CNN" not "large deviations." They'll ask you some bullshit question about NLP which they learned while scrolling through LinkedIN, and in that case, a stats degree won't help.

>going into postgrad to be an employee

Ngmi

>>16879281
It would be anglia ruskin. I know it's not a top tier uni and mid tier might have been very generous. It's because I can live cheaply locally with parents and my partner and my they wouldn't want to move

>>16879305
I mean, on a quick glance, their ecology and global sustainability institutes looks ok, I see they have some degrees in that direction which makes sense for a rural campus but is probably not really tech. CS department looks genuinely bad.

>>16879336
Would hard work be enough to overcome those issues or would a bad department have a significant knock on effect

>>16879340
That's impossible to say, even when giving advice on a Peruvian guinea pig cooking forum

>>16879018
You have two things going for you.
First of all you will definitey stand out from the crowd. Nonlinear careers are not unknown but I think you take the biscuit.
Secondly, and importantly, you have shown you are able to stay the course. In many cases, and especially for a PhD, you will meet a lot of headwind, and many will call it a day. The PI, the management or whoever you meet, will want someone who can demonstrate he doesn't give up.
Had it been my call I'd definitely given you an interview.

>>16879349
Still appreciate your reply tho thanks

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Entering AI psychosis. Academic career has been crammed into four bullet points while a one-week vibe coded piece of software is taking up an entire bullet point. Seems irrational but I do as the machines say.

Human feedback appreciated. No, I don't have contacts to ask. Yes, I really should. If someone recognizes me, oh well.

Looking at industry R&D roles preferably. Road back to academia is fading fast. Mostly the question is whether to emphasize postdoc/thesis work more. And whether some of the current emphasis comes off as odd to a real human.

>>16879364
Should add, current location is Europe and I'm not a US citizen so probably have to stay here.

>>16879364
Don't you have any mediocre industry experience like internships? Oxford and Harvard will scare some people away.

>>16879371
Pretty mediocre right now. Current company is small (<50 people) and relatively unknown. Hence redacted for 4chan. I also get paid <60k.

Decade old internships are useless so I crammed them into the "Earlier:" line.

>>16879380
>I also get paid <60k.
big yikes.

I am not in a position to give advise but I would remove h-index (nobody knows what that is) and dumb down everything. Maybe change your job title from Research Scientist to Engineer. I would also include your internships and put something like Engineering Intern.

>>16879380
>>16879383
Nobody knows what a Postdoctoral Fellow is. Change it to Research Engineer.

>>16879387
>>16879383

All right lads. Concerned that people might not know what a university is, should I just change that to Engineer Academy throughout?

>>16879388
Have you not been paying attention to these threads? Engineering = good. Science = bad.

>>16871466
>Anyone else feeling their executive function and attention span slipping?
You are burnt out, overstimulated/overwhelmed, or a combination of the two. Do some active rest like meditation. Digital minimalism will also go a long way. Have one day each week where you do nothing with work. I found that helps. If you cannot set a day because of your work then it's time to switch labs/mentors. You'll crash and burn and you'll be forced to switch anyways so you might as well get it over with.

>>16871651
Industry does not care about h-index, though RnD departments are the first to get gutted in major companies during rough economic times.

I already have an MSc, now I'm starting both an MBA and a PhD in the next year.
Is it a good idea? I'm unemployed with 3 years of corporate experience so I could only think of getting more educated and qualified.

>>16879399
Only do the PhD.

>>16879405
Why not the MBA?

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I got a pretty decent return offer (pay and worklife balance wise) and it made me very unsure about starting a PhD.
On one hand I can just take this offer and live the rest of my life relaxed without uncertainty. No need to constantly grind to be the top whatever percentile candidate because it's competitive as fuck. all while being poor, constantly on the move and in debt.

On the other hand it's feels wrong to just give up on it all and I can't imagine just living life without any goals. If I take this job it will just be the yearly company policy 3-6% increase in salary.

>>16879418
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hiVQf9MPzg&pp=ygUKYm9yaW5nIGpvYg%3D%3D

>>16879418
the correct answer is take the job, do fuck all for a year, and then make them sponsor your phd
or, of course, dont do a phd at all because they suck and you're an idiot for even considering one

>>16879364
what you need to realize that that resumes only exist to get you past ATS AI screening & dumbfuck, barely sentient HR roasties and into an interview with the person actually hiring you. once you're past the HR screen, your resume serves as nothing more than an ice breaker
you can trim down a lot of shit out of this resume and replace it with more STAR bullets in your experience sections
>second paragraph down & profile section
remove these, they do nothing and waste space
>education
trim this down. university, degree, and year. nothing else. stacy doesnt care about your PhD thesis
>selected publications
remove this, unless you're applying to a job where your publications directly apply to the kind of shit they're looking for.
>skills
only exists to tick boxes for AI filters. programming languages, software, and maybe actual languages can stay. everything else goes
>experience
>>16879383 is right, inflate your titles as much as possible. HR actually looks at these. if the job listing is for an engineer role, you're an engineer. if it's for a scientist role (it probably isnt), you're a scientist
your bullets could use some work. use the STAR method for everything, you've got it down for one or two bullets but the rest are missing results (you can make these up btw). use simpler words, remove the acronyms, keep as few technical terms as possible. the "people" reading this are clueless and spend no more than 10 seconds glancing over your entire resume.
remove the "earlier" shit, it's old and not relevant

>>16878682
Do not take what the others are saying at face value. A PhD with no published papers is unusual, but it depends on your research field and how complex it is and how ambitious your goal was. Industry does not care for papers, but rather if you are good at what you do. Highlight your skills in the lab bench (e.g. western blot) and instrumentation (e.g. LC-MS/MS).

do any anons do structural engineering related work? is it any good or are you just designing the shittiest stuff for the least amount of money that will fall over in 50 years so concretestein can save an extra 2 million?
as you can tell from my post, i am too much of a retarded neet for it anyway

>>16879398
>RnD departments are the first to get gutted in major companies during rough economic times.
I realized this when my entire RnD team got laid off earlier this year. Now I can't find a job and I'm not even sure if pursuing graduate school for a career in industry research is the right path.

>>16879433
>dont do a phd at all because they suck and you're an idiot for even considering one
Only reason to do a PhD is to be able to look down on people wanting a PhD

>>16879275
>>16878682
I got no papers published during my PhD, ended up in a dead end project. The irony was that those who "succeeded" got academic positions in a field that collapsed a few years later anyway.
So I left for industry earlier, and got a job. I never got any questions about my publications or lack thereof in industry.

>>16879196
>refreshing
This general is probably the only place on the entire planet where you will get the unfiltered truth anbout careers in science.

>>16879625
It's mostly bitter people who didn't make it projecting

>>16879639
That's how 99% of people end up thoughever.

With a good tech degree, one can apply to Project Management roles at tech companies
I have BS in Biochem but I work as a materials PM at major tech company

>>16871374
Will algebraic geometry help me get out of India?

>>16879653
Why not study something to improve your own country instead?

>>16879268
You've never picked up the teal book in your life have you?

>>16879655
Okay, what about algebraic topology?

>>16879640
1% is actually not that bad odds wise considering the only consequence of failing is a "wasted" 4 years doing something you like

>>16879746
you forget poverty and misery

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>>16879714
Study civil engineering and build toilets, apu

>>16879364
Looks good, should be plenty relevangt in a career researching perovskite based solar cells. You could apply for a postdoc fellowship in, say, Japan (in which case you should not delete any of the conents of your CV), or industry.
Which route do you prefer?

>>16879388
Don't listen to him. I have been to places where people had no idea about academia. Such places are not good places to work, they don't appreciate expertise, experience or the insight you can bring. Never be sorry you didn't get a job in such places. And I write from more experience than I ever wanted.

>>16879399
Doing a PhD is a full time job and then some, you will not be able to do an MBA at the same time. Also remember that doing a PhD means you go back to poverty row, a major change from a corporate lifestyle.

>>16879758
Corporations do not care about middle-school gold stars. They care about money and will give you money in return for earning them money. If you want middle-school gold stars instead of money, then you should stay in academia.

All relevant modern solar industry is now in China bro.

Albert Einstein was 26 years old when he received his PhD in Physics from the {University of Zurich (UZH) (UZH)} in January 1906, after submitting his groundbreaking dissertation, "A New Determination of Molecular Dimensions," in 1905, during his famous "Annus Mirabilis" year.

>>16879804
Step 1 to succeed in academia: be Jewish

1 nothing wrong with me
2 nothing wrong with me
3 nothing wrong with me
4 nothing wrong with me

>>16879761
You only get to stay in academia if you can bring in money to the university. Professors aren't there to research or educate, they raise money and promote the university so the university can raise money.

You try to leverage credibility for money in industry as well as academia. It's misguided to think the end goal is to make other people money. The end goal is to get other people to give you money. Grifting to get other people to give you money is the only skillset that actually matters. And it probably is the most valuable skillset to be learned in academia.

>>16879754
>>16879758
>>16879447

Thanks, anons. Current job title is scientist but day-to-day is basically engineering. Some issues with this and part of the reason for looking elsewhere. Engineering is fine, being a not-engineer doing full-time engineering badly and herding my seniors is not.

Possible cultural differences but can't substantially alter job titles here. Will keep in mind though.

I'll shorten the publications section. Decent relevance so won't axe entirely. And add STAR bullets for current job and postdoc. Skills/profile could be condensed, noted. I'll axe skills depending on job requirements. Kinda like having the profile.

Agreed that my background is best leveraged in places with some academia awareness. Fairly common in this field fortunately. Won't fit into generalist engineering places. Niche jobs but also niche candidates.

Considered postdoc fellowships. But I'm 31 and CV has glaring issues for tenure track, e.g. teaching/funding/networking. NGMI in academia long term, so just pivoted to industry. It's also underwhelming, only way forward is another industry job. Failing that, cash out savings, live in the woods, rope.

>>16880257
>Considered postdoc fellowships. But I'm 31
I was a postdoc researchfellow in Japan and turned 30 during my 2 year contract. Being 31 is not a problem.
>and CV has glaring issues for tenure track
I cannot see any from what you have posted so far. Anyway, postdoc and national research labs are also fine.

>>16872568
>Learn at least some programming. That way you can find yout way in finance or programming
Why do people keep posting these 2010 era advice?

I wasted my life so far pursing a career in science. Now it's time to become creative and build something beautiful for once in my life.

>>16880351
It's hilarious right, yeah just do a little bit of programming, that'll do the trick to get you into the most overheated prestigious fields on earth after coasting through an undergraduate science education.

I have a BA in math with a minor in CS from a top 30. Graduated in 2020 into the worst job market since the great depression and had to take a job teaching high school math in a private school.

It's really not that bad but the pay and the way the parents treat you is degrading. There is also no intellectual stimulation; kids today are unbelievably dumb. I once asked an 11th grader what half of 8 was; his response was "8 and a half." Multiply that by 100 kids times 160 school days and this is my life.

I want to get out, but don't know how to pull it off. I would like to try EE, but I will not be credible with a BA in math and MS in EE and don't want to go back for a second bachelors.

I'd have no problem getting a MS in CS and working as a software dev, but I've heard coding basically no longer exists as a job between outsourcing and automation.

Could getting a MS CS --> PhD CS with a focus on machine learning be credible? With the goal of being an ML engineer for something that helps society like drug discovery. Will expert American humans still be needed in this field in the future, or is everything going to be lost to automation? Is this delusional?

How do I escape this nightmare? PhD in math and try to work for a defense contractor or the government?

>>16880516
>PhD in math
I would not recommend this if you don't want to go back to teaching afterwards. If you don't want to teach, I would get some degree with engineering in the name.

Maybe do an online master's in EE, like this one? You probably to self-study some physics and electronics before start it though.
https://www.colorado.edu/ecee/academics/online-programs/ms-ece-coursera

Oh yeah real fucking impressive you went from Cambridge to Cambridge to a company founded by someone from Cambridge. Fuck you you mook.

>>16880516
We sure get a lot of maths graduates here, and yes, the job market is a horror show these days.
Then again CS the last few years was not pleasant either and will remain bad for years. It will be hard to get a job until managers realise that AI will not replace all juniors and that they will need juniors to fill senior positions a few years ahead. It might take 5 years before the issue becomes too visible to avoid.
Big Data and ML ws hyped but are now forgotten. In silico drug discovery was also hyped but turned out to be a costly dead end. There is still fallout from that.
In the end, EE seems a far better option.

>>16880448
What is it?

>>16880564
Who are you talking to? Are you ok?

>>16879275
For a job at a company? Doesn't matter, literally a non issue. Your career as a postdoc is over though.

>>16880575
No I'm not ok I got a stem PhD.

>>16880572
A world changing lounge chair.

>>16880516
>Could getting a MS CS --> PhD CS with a focus on machine learning be credible? With the goal of being an ML engineer for something that helps society like drug discovery. Will expert American humans still be needed in this field in the future, or is everything going to be lost to automation? Is this delusional?
There are a lot of ML PhDs, but the demand for people who are actually good at it is still high. Make sure to get a degree in applying ML in the field you want to end up it, robotics is actually the current hot shit. Avoid pure ML/DS PhD topics, it is piss easy to get money for it, and most projects are just shit and you will not gain any useful technical skills, and I think the time for ML/GenAI PhDs is a bit too late, in 3-4 years you would graduate right into the trough of disillusionment with everyone and their mother competing with you.

>>16880563
This seems like a program for people who already have an engineering Bachelors and want to transition into EE. OP if I were you, I would do the 2nd Bachelors if you want to transition into EE as a career. Otherwise, a Math BS + EE MS will just make you a second rate engineer compared to people who did an undergrad in EE which involves internships and probably some extracurriculars that make them stand out. At the very least you could probably shave off the first year math courses and only have to do 3 years of schooling. Sucks but you just have to suck it up.

Everybody here is doing Machine Learning Bullshit except Dr Oxford who is doing optical engineering and Dr Sweden who is doing computational EM. If ML was a viable career path, would losers on 4chan be doing it? QED.

Just a question for you guys here,
I'll be brutally honest and say i'm not exactly the brightest. But when I have a child I want them to be the brightest possible person they can be. Of course some of our intelligence is genetic (It seems to vary from resource to resource between 30-60 of our intelligence is genetically linked)
I was wondering if any of you recall doing anything as a child or how your parents acted that may have influenced you?
I heard that stuff like playing classical music in the womb can help etc. as an example.
I'm sorry if this comes off as a jumbled mess. I'm not even an ESL just punctuation in school never stuck.

>>16880658
We have Dr European Patent Attorney also.

>>16880662

My parents were working class and nobody in my family before me went to uni but through events I ended up spending part of my youth among rich international types.

There's fairly typical things you find with rich kids whose parents try to make something of them. Making them have a sport and a musical instrument as hobbies from early on. Being involved in their education (making sure they go to the right schools, checking that they do their homework, caring about their results, hiring tutors etc.). Forcing them to go to university, giving them the guidance and whatever for admission, and financially supporting them to push them through. Then getting them a job via nepo contacts. This with a trust fund or providing capital and investments early on and the kid's set.

Dumb people can have intellectual credentials and be successful in life this way. But they will not be sharply intelligent. Everyone knows at elite universities you can be poor or you can be dumb but you can't be both.

For me, my dad was very smart but borderline autistic and not involved in my upbringing. Had people that cared but couldn't really provide much support due to lack of resources or awareness or difficult circumstances. So I had to figure it out by myself. Always did well in school and it was the one thing that gave me self esteem so I put effort into it, this country used to have great public schools. In the end decent public schools + reasonable IQ + work ethic was enough to dab on people from much better backgrounds.

However I'll forever be a poor shitter because of poor career decisions on my part and how long it takes to compound wealth (especially in this day and age).

>>16880662
why would you ask here? this is where the retards who were too dumb to land a FAGMAN job end up

>>16880658
>Everybody here is doing Machine Learning
you gotta put AI in your grant applications to get funded

>>16880257
>Considered postdoc fellowships. But I'm 31
lmao, now imagine not being american
>29 now
>if everything goes right will get PhD around the time I turn 30
>this is literally faster than the fastest nominally possible age for someone in my specific track to get a PhD (I skipped a year and did my thesis in less than 3)
you faggots all get PhDs 2 years after your master's and start college a 17/18. it never even began if you're born in e*rope

>>16880760
Ummm, actually sweetie some of us got FAANG INTERNSHIPS and it's hellish.

>>16880763
Even if you graduate high school at 19, take 5 years for bachelors + masters and 3 years for PhD, you'd graduate at 27.

>>16880616
>Avoid pure ML/DS PhD topics
I know what ML is but what is DS?

>>16880676
My arch nemesis... Here I am in the heart of the European project, meet me at plux and lets sort this out once and for all...

>>16880948
Data science, playboy

Are two-month internships even worth it? Thinking about applying for 2 month summer internships abroad but moving to a foreign country and all the effort will obviously be a net drain to my resources.

>>16881100
Yes.

>>16880763
>you faggots all get PhDs 2 years after your master's and start college a 17/18. it never even began if you're born in e*rope
I started my BSc (hons) when I was 19, having completed my national service. I did 4 years of BSc and then straight to 4 years plus a few months for my PhD, completed when I was 28.

t.European

Why does god hate me? Why out of everyone in my research group am I being put back into the shit?

>>16880676
>We have Dr European Patent Attorney also.
Yes. Feels good. I think there are more people from the patent profession here, I am just the more talkative one.

>>16880949
>My arch nemesis...
A it dramatic, don't you think?
>Here I am in the heart of the European project,
What does this even mean? Brussels, without the sprouts?

>>16881173
>19, having completed my national service.
you cannot suffer. in my country you graduate HS at 18/19 not 17/18.
>phd with bsc
what country? here and most others I know of you need an MSc to even apply to any PhD programs.

>>16881263
>>16881173
my BEng was 4.5 years though (9 semesters) so technically I could've saved a year by doing a different program

but it would still be 4+2+4, unless you do a fake 1 year msc which I guess makes the shortest possible path 4+1+4 or 3+2+4

is it possible to be too autistic for engineering?

Some intereting news, part 1:
>'One of America's Most Successful Experiments Is Coming to a Shuddering Halt' (nytimes.com)
https://news.slashdot.org/story/25/12/30/0659206/one-of-americas-most-successful-experiments-is-coming-to-a-shuddering-halt
>The six-decade flow of highly skilled Indian immigrants to the United States -- a migration pattern that produced some of the country's highest-earning households, several Nobel laureates, and the CEOs of Google, Microsoft, and Pepsi -- appears to be grinding to a halt amid rising anti-Indian rhetoric from Republican officials and chaos in the visa system, according to New York Times.
>Indian student arrivals at American universities fell 44% this year, even as Indians had just become the largest contingent of foreign students the previous year. The decline comes as top Trump administration officials have publicly accused Indian immigrants of gaming the system. Stephen Miller, the architect of the president's immigration crackdown, declared on Fox News that Indians "engage in a lot of cheating on immigration policies that is very harmful to American workers." Governor Ron DeSantis called the H-1B visa program "chain migration run amok."

>>16881263
BSc (hons) is from bonnie Scotland.

>>16881238
Oui oui, I'm eating preparé with my bare hands and double fisting maes, come face me if you dare.

>>16881300
THANK FUCKING GOD

My so called supervisor... What can you say? If you weren't part of his inner circle of personal pepperoni boys it's like you might as well have been a worm to him. Little does he know I'm torqued up, rock hard and ready to rumble once we cross paths south of the border...

Some more interesting news, part 2:
>PhDs Can't Find Work as Boston's Biotech Engine Sputters (msn.com)
https://science.slashdot.org/story/25/12/29/2357222/phds-cant-find-work-as-bostons-biotech-engine-sputters
>Massachusetts experienced a slight decline in its roughly 65,000 biotech research-and-development jobs in 2024 after years of mostly strong increases, including during the Covid-19 pandemic, according to federal data. The numbers indicate that job losses continued through at least June, while hiring remains sluggish. By the end of September, nearly 28% of greater Boston's laboratory space sat empty, according to the latest estimates from real-estate firm CBRE. "Every stage of the life cycle has been impacted by policy or regulatory uncertainty this year," said Kendalle Burlin O'Connell, chief executive of MassBio, an industry trade group. The impact has hit startups especially hard, she said.
>A continued downturn poses risks for a region where workers will put up with sky-high real-estate costs if they can land high-paying jobs. Massachusetts faces competition from other states and China, which are eager to peel away talent and investment. "There are states and countries chasing us every single day," Gov. Maura Healey said in an interview. In late October, the Democrat testified before the Massachusetts legislature in support of a $400 million "competitiveness agenda" that she is seeking to spur new investment and supplement research funding lost this year. Lawmakers are reviewing the bill, a House spokesman said.

>>16881308
Fuck I was trying to get into biotech. Why am I such a useless fucking idiot, stupid low level slime slave.

>>16881305
The pearl clutching over in Slashdot was quite something. Even more people are astonished that Trump did what he in fact promised. I didn't check over in r/Ritalin but I guess they are now shaking so much they can only tell us that they cannot write.

>>16881309
It is worth following "In the Pipeline" which also covers work and industry news:
https://www.science.org/blogs/pipeline
Bio- and gene-tech have had numerous downturns but also recoveries. In 5 years it might be back again. The cost of industru giving up on this now is just too great.

>>16881320
I just started reading this, probably at your advice in an earlier thread, thanks. At least I am a ML/LLMs guy trying to break in so can fall back on that, unless that blows up too...

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>>16881308
Not even biotech is safe from jeet outsourcing. What the fuck are we supposed to do now?

>Novartis is deepening its presence in India, positioning the country as one of its most important global centres for biomedical research and drug development outside its headquarters in Basel, Switzerland.
>India is among the few markets where the Swiss drugmaker has established biomedical research alongside a full-spectrum development and operations footprint.
>The company, which operates the largest pharma Global Capacity Centre (GCC) in India, has ramped up its workforce over the last couple of years to strengthen early-stage research. The India team now has over 9,000 employees, accounting for about 11% of its global workforce, a top company official said.
>India-based teams now contribute to nearly every Novartis molecule that reaches late-stage development, spanning clinical operations, biostatistics, regulatory affairs and advanced analytics. The company’s expanding India hub underscores a shift beyond cost arbitrage to high-value, science- and data-led innovation.


>https://m.economictimes.com/industry/healthcare/biotech/pharmaceuticals/novartis-bets-big-on-india-builds-its-largest-global-rd-hub-outside-switzerland/amp_articleshow/126038923.cms

So what are unemployed CS grads doing now?

>>16881300
wow, i guess he isn't all bad after all, too bad globalism is still a thing

>>16881407
i know one who's been doing doordash for like 4 years, another who spends all of his time jerking off on discord

>>16881477
>4 years, another who spends all of his time jerking off on discord
ok, what are the motivated ones doing?

>>16881301
so you jumped around multiple countries? I guess if you're a richfag you can make life easy for yourself. I'm more interested in which country you did your PhD in, did you go to America?

>>16881407
phd

>>16881609
>so you jumped around multiple countries?
You could say that, though my younger relatives are far more globetrotting than I ever was.
> I guess if you're a richfag you can make life easy for yourself.
Probably, though I couldn't tell from my own experiences. Rather, when I had completed my PhD studies, I went home with all my posessions in two bags, and one of those bags contained my books. In my first job in industry I was credit checked by a secretary, and the full details of my financial status was spread across town. On two separate occations, massively drunk female colleagues mentioned it and helpfully added that no woman would ever marry me because of this.
>I'm more interested in which country you did your PhD in,
Scotland
> did you go to America?
No, by a series of random chances I ended up never going to the US.

>>16881687
>>I'm more interested in which country you did your PhD in,
>Scotland
>> did you go to America?
>No, by a series of random chances I ended up never going to the US.
So the long and short of this is that it's possible to do a 4+4 PhD in Scotland. Which, fair enough, I wasn't really considering the UK. In much of continental Europe, especially here in ex-commie land, the system is pretty rigid and hellbent on wasting people's time

>>16880658
>Everybody here is doing Machine Learning Bullshit except Dr Oxford who is doing optical engineering and Dr Sweden who is doing computational EM.
There's also me doing conservation genetics.

>If ML was a viable career path, would losers on 4chan be doing it?
I think 4chan users are just overrepresented in the scriptkiddie populace.

>>16880763
>>16880287

Being 31 doesn't prevent postdoccing. Don't want to live with roommates and suitcases eternally half packed in my 30s though. Having to constantly look for jobs and move means a lot of compromises. Postdoc for me just kicks the can down the road. And really I don't think I will make it in academia, or like it even if I did.

CV is meant to show me in a good light. What it doesn't say is that there's a lack of 1st author papers, basically no funding begging experience, basically no teaching experience, and basically no active research network. Maybe I've just been around really competitive people but the ones I know who got tenure track positions had much stronger CVs and way stronger networks.

The only real issue now is that my standard of living hasn't risen since moving to industry. I just want more money and I'd be OK with the situation.

>>16881758
>CV is meant to show me in a good light.
Incorrect, if you target industry positions. The CV is a piece of paper meant to get you to the interview. You need to communicate to the AI and HR bitch sluts that you CAN and WILL do the job in their language.

>>16881390
Big pharma in India relates to things so murky and unethical that most of media will never touch it with a fire proof barge.
Legal requirements for testing on animals and then humans are very costly and time consuming. Worse, a project on a new compound can be terminated if animls die but it might have been non-toxic to humans, just like chocolate will kill dogs but not humans.
So to the surprise of nobody, several bog pharma companies went straight to testing on humans in the Indian slums. If it failed and people died, all records were destroyed. If it worked they had bupassed 10 years of testing and now they just had to fabricate years of testing, which is far easier than conducting the tests.

More news, relevant since many STEM graduates end up in finance and consulting:
>AI forecast to put 200,000 European banking jobs at risk by 2030
https://archive.is/UcqPD
>banks employ roughly 2.12mn staff, meaning that a 10 per cent reduction would result in about 212,000 job cuts.
>“Many banks have quoted efficiency gains coming from AI and further digitalisation to the tune of 30 per cent,” Morgan Stanley said.
>banks employ roughly 2.12mn staff, meaning that a 10 per cent reduction would result in about 212,000 job cuts.
“Many banks have quoted efficiency gains coming from AI and further digitalisation to the tune of 30 per cent,” Morgan Stanley said.
There is essentially no hope for juniors in banking the next 5 - 10 years. And it extends well beyond banking:
>Jason Napier, head of European banks research at UBS, said: “We can already see industry changes in audit, law and consulting, but banks aren’t delivering improved efficiency yet. Cost bases are large...and these new powerful tools are yet to be fully implemented.”
However:
>Conor Hillery, JPMorgan Chase’s co-chief executive of Europe, Middle East and Africa, said: “The one thing we have to be very careful about — in this rush and excitement about AI in our world of banking — is that people don’t lose an understanding of the basics and fundamentals.”
>He added that JPMorgan was trying to strike a balance between using AI to expedite basic functions and making sure its junior staff were still properly trained in core tasks such as constructing cash flow models and price-to-earnings ratios.
That is what they say.
“Otherwise, we’re storing up a big problem for the future,” Hillery said.
Expect the pendulum to overshoot grossly before finding a new equilibrium. Meanwhile, banking, finance, consulting, auditing and accounting will crater.

>>16881758
>Being 31 doesn't prevent postdoccing.
maybe but it really pisses me off that even if I graduate a year early I'm hopelessly behind my peers simply due to how the retards in charge of my country decided to set up the education system.
>you WILL spend at least 9 years to get a PhD
>you WILL spend 11 years to get a PhD if your first degree was in engineering
>you WILL start university at 18 or 19 to ensure you can't even start a career in research because you'll be senile by the time you graduate and no one will hire you as a postdoc
everyone wants young employees especially for postdoc. your brain stops working after 28-29

>>16881864
Your age is not your problem. I think you need to be more of a 'yes' man syncophant.

>>16880853
Internships are nowadays looked down upon because to recruiters it seems that you work for free (little money) which makes you look of less value.
The only way statistically internship actually help with is to get a job at same company that you internded but if they don't you've wasted your time
That's how fucking petty the recruiters are nowadays. Internships are now just there to get a hire for pennies and replace them with another intern with no intent to actually employ afterwards

>>16880676
I kinda wanted to take the path too but i wanted to invent shit myself rather then helping to patent someone's inventions and I found a nice lab to do phd in neuromorphic hardware so I'm now stuck with it for a while

>>16881880
>That's how fucking petty the recruiters are nowadays.
yeah no joke the HR roasties have straight up started applying dating rules to hiring
>the candidate fit every requirement but he looked like he actually NEEDED a job
>ew, gives me the ick
>a real candidate has all the employers chasing him

>>16881880
Wtf... Faang internship sisters is this true?

>>16881891
This is correct. If you come off as desperate like
>uuuh i did 20 low paid internships pls hire me
>oooh i had no job for a year i need some money
>pls im willing to work for minimum wage under shit conditions
it gives them the ICK. Because how dare he ask a job to live? We dont need those desperate losers. We need chad thunderjob who has 20 recruiters sucking his cock and offering him hundreds of thousands because this guy SURELY knows how to bring us money!
This applies specifically to higher skilled jobs during a recession. And internships allow them to pay less (or nothing at all) disregarding all the rights because it's internship. That's why at the websites of those major companies you only find either expert jobs with 20 years of experience or internships (and they still ask you for years of experience in X Y and Z for an INTERN!) because every jeet thinks slapping "i was working for free at google" gives him edge over other jeets that don't
FAGMAN companies surely love to do that.

>>16881880
>little money
>He doesn't know

>>16882003
The ones that pay are actually valid. But that's not what an average intern is getting at.

>>16881916
>We need chad thunderjob who has 20 recruiters sucking his cock and offering him hundreds of thousands because this guy SURELY knows how to bring us money!
We had one of these at work. He was a abt crazy psychopath but charmed the women and also bedded at lest one of them. His talk was smooth but he failed to deliver and in the end, his antics exceeded what his charm could carry and he was ejected. By that time he had caused serious damage. Now, we hope that also one of the women that brough him in will also be ejected, turns out she doesn't know much about her work either.

It is scary how people can move up in life based on smooth talk only.

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>ITT: untalented schizos blaming their failures on literally anyone else but themselves
Tech is overfull with retards and it is high time we purge people like you out

>>16882063
Fuck you, fuck you, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU.

>>16882139
Don't forget to mention /stem/ when you finally off yourself :^)

>>16882150
I'm just kidding I'm a happy well adjusted competent professional with absolutely NO mental health problems whatsoever. Happy new year.

>>16882063
my standardized testing scores were so high that this is a laughable thing to suggest. I also run circles around other people at any job I manage to get, which includes actually being a code monkey in the past. my current predicament is the result of a couple of dumb career decisions (prioritizing education over a couple of job opportunities pre-covid), as well as being born in a shitty poor country that really restricted my options.

you're just a just world faggot trying to reassure your belief that what success you got was entirely your own making and not determined by random chance to a massive degree.

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>>16882155
>standardized testing scores

99th percentile standard penis score

>>16874756
What's the problem with finding some math neat?
I think you dont even care about that and just want to elbow random anons.

>>16882155
If I would be from a country where going into research is even more stacked against you than any where else, I would not do it and then complain online. Good luck with your scores

>>16882155
All people that continue into academia were at some point the A student, the 90 percentile among their peers.
But suddenly their competition IS the other A students. They are no longer special. They are lucky if they are in the average range among their peers.
You truly begin to feel how exponentially steep the climb is into the upper percentiles is.
Then you realize that merit alone is not enough and you need to also navigate humans and bureaucracy and master the art of taint tonguing and asslicking.
It's difficult to not become bitter

Hey did you hear what I said? I said 99th standard penis score.

>>16882442
I saw those 99% top students in PhD and more. Many of them have zero ideas, zero creativity and are just going with the flow.
I see them sitting in front of their pc all day and microadjusting some dumb PowerPoint presentation and drinking coffee instead of sitting in the lab and doing the job

>>16882011
I mean the post was about FAANG internship. They always pay well (well maybe not Amazon and Netflix), but if you are using FAANG liberally to also mean companies like NVIDIA, JPMC, GS, etc., they pay undergrads more than what many in STEM earn years into their career.

>>16882573
Still more successful than you, how sad to be outlucked by such losers

>>16882573
You misunderstand what the job is, which is why the people who spend their time self-promoting and networking will have more successful careers.

When I was a child someone praised me for being smart and basically that ruined my life

>>16882655
>>16882671
Not really. While they complain about professor not reading their paper I get to travel across the world because I actually get things done on my own initiative instead of being told what to do next

>>16882791
My holes are open for you I want, nay NEED, to suck you to completion BADLY

Why is it that nobody ever seems to mention how fucking dystopian "software engineering" jobs really are?

When you look at videos of the campuses of big tech giants, it's always a bunch of people packed into their open office concept like sardines. They don't even get cubicles.

Seemingly designed to keep you there as long as possible. We have everything you need here on this mega campus, no need for a family or life outside of work.

How does this in any way contribute to a sense of meaning, fulfillment, individuality?

All this for your job to probably be outsourced to India and for you to be treated as disposable. Never mind that there is almost no career longevity and you essentially age out by the time you're 38.

Seriously, why the fuck did so many kids go into this field? Are things better in other smaller companies?

Forget about the pay. A public school math teacher who can't be fired and has an awesome pension will make more lifetime than someone who has to hop from job to job every 18 months due to a layoff and can't find work past age 38. Never mind the fact that they don't have to stare at a screen 50 hours a week.

Seriously, someone help me understand how kids were conned into this shit?

>>16882922
Whatever you said about these FAANG jobs can be said about almost any job where you’re not self employed.
Can you think of any white collar job that doesn’t require you to stare at a screen for 40+ hours a week?
All the cool jobs you hear about on twitter from OpenAI, SpaceX etc are the 0.001% of jobs which only go to insanely capable people. The rest of the world still requires boring, safe and reliable engineering.

You’re also looking at the public school teacher route with rose tinted glasses, believe me, I’ve also had delusions and dreams of going back to my hometown and becoming a math teacher at my old school.
As a school teacher, the pay is shit, you hardly learn anything useful at work and your growth is basically capped unless you try and fight your way into administration. Being a teacher could be more spiritually fulfilling than being a software engineer though.

>t. work as a software engineer at a FAANG like company outside America

>>16882922
Adult life sucks, news at 11.

Like >>16883044 said, pretty much every job is you being a disposable cog living on scraps doing things that don't matter. Software at least used to pay enough to be able to retire one day, which is more than can be said for 95% of jobs out there.


I know plenty of self-employed people and it's a battle in its own right.

Insanely bleak thread

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>>16883044
>>16883155
I don’t know, the tech offices in particular just seem especially bleak and dystopian to me because of their scale and impersonal nature. Like a bunch of worker bees plugging into the hive. Pic related.

At a small traditional engineering company, you might still be in a cube but at least your picture is on the website and you have a sense of autonomy and identity.

I actually am a high school math teacher. The work is boring, there is no room for advancement and the students and parents often treat you in a degrading manner. However I at least go home knowing that my work makes me valued as an individual rather than just a cog in a mega corp. I may not be able to retire until 70 but I can’t be fired.

>>16883273
I think the impersonality just comes with any big corporation.

I'm in a small tech company now (not really traditional engineering). There is autonomy and that is nice. The flexibility goes both ways though, I spend a lot of time doing things that are not my job and dealing with unreasonable circumstances.

My pic is not on the website, I'm very much replaceable, and while I have decent freedom within projects those projects are still dictated by management. The pay is pretty bad, there is no room to move upwards, and the company might no exist in two years. I think there's value in having seen this operation but also it's obvious why a big business would be a preferable employer for many.

Maybe there's an attitude question. My field/work used to be my identity and my coworkers my friends. Now it's just how I make money and the people I'm obligated to tolerate 8 hours a day. After I clock out the place can burn down with everyone in it for all I care. A soulless office and uncaring coworkers are non-issues, since my personality and social circles are decreasingly tied to my employment.

>>16883288
>since my personality and social circles are decreasingly tied to my employment.
how to achieve such power?

>>16883300
Work with predominantly older people and have your career end up a dud. Personality and social circles are decreasingly tied to the workplaced as they cease to exist altogether and the light fades from the eyes.

More balanced approaches might include hobbies, pre-existing social circles, and starting a family. People in their 30s-40s usually have enough other stuff going on, and enough experience to know it's just a job.

How do you deal with being a mediocre idiot? INB4, getting a gf.

itt
>socially inept idiots discover that a job is not a substitute for a social life, no matter how good you are at your job

>>16883317
Just follow your passion. What motivates you?

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>>16883346
Welcome to /scg/, the anonymous peer support group for autists trying to eke out a living in the modern workplace.

>>16883353
Ah yes, the niece poster strikes, this time in /scg/ of all places.

>>16883317
>How do you deal with being a mediocre idiot?
Hard work will go a long way to compensate.
>INB4, getting a gf.
Thankfully, it is not that difficult.

>>16882922 (1/2)
>Why is it that nobody ever seems to mention how fucking dystopian "software engineering" jobs really are?
What? In this general, people often warn against a CS "career", frequently comparing it to a slave ship. And with LLM it is getting much, much worse. It is now in the same division of hopelessness as maths degrees.
>When you look at videos of the campuses of big tech giants, it's always a bunch of people packed into their open office concept like sardines. They don't even get cubicles.
That is also common in finance and consulting, other professions in similar problems.
>Seemingly designed to keep you there as long as possible. We have everything you need here on this mega campus, no need for a family or life outside of work.
Time is money, quite simply. There is also comparative advantages, the employer earns more by getting more out of their employees, even if it means making and serving meals for free.
>How does this in any way contribute to a sense of meaning, fulfillment, individuality?
None. Then again, it makes a lot of money, as long as you are employed.
>All this for your job to probably be outsourced to India and for you to be treated as disposable.
A common problem in the software industry and I have experienced this myself. Management loudly pointed out how much cheaper it was in India, and a few weeks later the redundancies were announced and my job was gone too.
>Never mind that there is almost no career longevity and you essentially age out by the time you're 38.
By 35 you are supposed to have moved to management.

>>16882922 (2/2)
>Seriously, why the fuck did so many kids go into this field?
It started as a well paid career that could absorb a lot of employees in many countries, also graduates from third tier universities.
>Are things better in other smaller companies?
Consolidation is going full tilt so there are not so many small companies left, and the likes of Google is actively keeping the underbrush down by all means, not all are entirely legal. Otherwise, smaller companies are better, more transparent and more likely with some ethics intact.
>Forget about the pay.
That is a luxury fresh graduates cannot afford.
>A public school math teacher who can't be fired and has an awesome pension will make more lifetime than someone who has to hop from job to job every 18 months due to a layoff and can't find work past age 38.
Sure? In any case, you have to do some minimum of planning, like getting out of programming and into management before 35. Founding your own startup is also possible.
>Never mind the fact that they don't have to stare at a screen 50 hours a week.
The standard for the average pupil these days is as bad.
>Seriously, someone help me understand how kids were conned into this shit?
Simple: it was once absolutely great, now rot has set in but reputation is still not entirely dead, yet.

Opinions on Materials Science as a major?

Are "engineering technology" degrees memes?
I want to do EE because I enjoy low level programming, amateur radio, and designing circuits, but I fear that I am too stupid for the math. I grew up in a household with 0 academic or career expectations.
Since I work in tech currently, I want to start by getting an associate's degree ASAP so I have some job security.
Something like this: https://maui.hawaii.edu/programs/ecet

>>16883803
>Are "engineering technology" degrees memes?
Yes however you can get engineering jobs with them. Especially with defense companies, they'll take anyone with a pulse.

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How can I make the jump into management? I don’t wanna keep programming for the rest of my life

>>16883864
Lift weights and look like someone who should be leading instead of looking like a sperg incel

>>16883864
>How can I make the jump into management?
The most important part is to be visible, tragically being competent is not the most important part, which sure explains a lot of problems in this world. Try to get a project leader post and then an MBA. Sometimes management consultancies (like MBB) have open positions that can be a good fit for someone with a tech background.

Recently watched this TV show called Landman. Do petroleum engineers really have to do so much fieldwork and live in the middle of nowhere?

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