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>>16884240
ML faggots should get the rope

>>16884240
New petroleum jobs opening up soon after Trump’s invasion of Venezuela??

i need someone with 1 morbillion IQ to predict if ML will have a future in protein design

>>16884240
>State of britbongs in the 2020s edition
I had a lok. It was grim
https://www.jobs.ac.uk/categories/postdoc-jobs/1
Briefly, salary levels are around £45,000. One had a lower bound at £3,610 and I sure hope that was a typo. Cambridge has a distinctly un-prestigious salary level:
>Research Assistant: £33,002 - £35,608; Research Associate: £37,694 - £46,049

>>16884371
Seem to recall Cambridge lowballing people for a while. Surprisingly expensive for such a tiny city, too.

Average salary has nothing to do with the actual salary you will get.
It also means that either you make 0 or you make average wage due to high unemployment yet high wages.
If you can't land that 45k job, you won't get any job in science and have to deliver pizza to make money that's effectively 0 because you're in a dead end in your career.
In new york city the average wage is like 110k.
But if you apply for 2000 jobs in banking and get rejected from all of them because they only want to give one guy 110k and everyone else 0, you'll have to drive an Uber or something and that means you're effectively unemployed.

(reposting from last thread)
Are "engineering technology" degrees memes?
I want to do EE because I enjoy low level programming, amateur radio, and designing circuits, but I fear that I am too stupid for the math. I grew up in a household with 0 academic or career expectations and spent my youth playing videogames.
Since I work in tech currently, I want to start by getting an associate's degree ASAP so I have some job security.
Something like this: https://maui.hawaii.edu/programs/ecet
What does /scg/ think?

>>16884404
HOLY SHIT take a look at the job market you stupid idiot.
You're like one of those people who saw AI taking everyone's jobs and then got into a computer science degree.
Do you love unemployment?

>>16884415
Then what degree should I get retard

>>16884404
1. is "engineer" a protected title that you can only from certified degrees?
1.1. if yes then any degree that doesn't give you the cert is a meme
1.2. if no, then youre prolly safe

2. does your immediate vicinity, locale, state, country or whatever actually have industry for microelectronics? do these companies have junior/entry listings?
*infrastructure stuff like power systems is prolly much safer.

>>16884361
Getting funding? Probably. Actually being useful? Not really.

are all civil engineering jobs 40+ hours a week soul draining cubicle hell or are some alright

>>16884440
>cubicle hell
it's 2025+1 sweetie. everyone is doing the open office shit

>>16884453
im a neet ive never had a job sorry

>>16884404
technology "degree" -> bullshit piece of paper for technicians who already have multiple years of experience doing technician shit.
dont bother if you want to do actual design engineering. the associates you linked would get you about a year of prerequisite courses for a full EE degree, not worth it IMO
>I enjoy low level programming, amateur radio, and designing circuits
if you want to do this, get a full, 4-year, ABET accredited EE degree. embedded programming and circuit design are very common things that actual EEs do.
job prospects are pretty decent right now, even for new grads, but i have a feeling they'll be a lot rougher a couple years down the line. still one of the best bachelors degrees that you can get though
>>16884440
im sure you can get into a field engineering job if you really really wanted to, but there's a reason that most people quit those after a year or two. 40 hours in a comfy office isnt so bad all things considered

>>16884495
>40 hours in a comfy office isn't so bad all things considered
it probably wouldn't be, but whenever i hear people online talking about these types of jobs they either say they barely do anything or that they are constantly doing things, i'm just not really sure what an office job entails
what is "comfy"?

>>16884380
>lowballing
I see Imperial College trying the same stunt:
https://www.nature.com/naturecareers/jobs/postdoctoral/united-kingdom/
>£65,073 - £76,873 per annum
>Applications are invited for a Senior Teaching Fellow in AI to advance the research within the I-X Centre for AI in Science.
London is expensive and someone qualifying for this position would earn ten times as much in industry. What kind of people would even apply??

>>16884510
>i'm just not really sure what an office job entails
its 99.9% pure boredom and 0.1% absolute terror

>>16884637
>What kind of people would even apply??
jeets prestige maxxing.

>>16884510
a comfy office job is showing up to work at 9am, half halfheartedly writing emails and fucking around in excel until 5pm, and then going home. you get to sit on an $800 office chair for 40 hours a week and you have to leave your air-conditioned office.
believe it or not, this is much nicer than living out of a hotel, showing up to a worksite at 5am, and then doing shit in 90 degree weather until 6pm, especially when you're paid the exact same salary you would with a comfy engineering job.
or, of course, it could be a lot worse. you're not slaving away in a warehouse, retail, food service, etc job for 10-12 hours a day while getting paid pure dogshit wages, like 90% of those who neglected to get themselves into a white collar job when they graduated high school

>>16884419
A real EE degree is probably the best STEM degree in terms of employment. Math, physics, chemistry, CS degrees are not recommended.

red-pill me on teaching as a STEM career

>>16884637
>someone qualifying for this position would earn ten times as much in industry

Maybe 1.5x as much in the UK.

>>16884404
Actual EE here who works in the power industry. We hire lots of people with engineering technologist degrees. They do the same exact job I do.
The main difference is that
A) They have different eligibility standards to be able to sit for the PE exam. Some states don't allow them to get PE licensure at all, while others require them to have a greater amount of experience. If you want to work in embedded then you probably don't care about PE anyways though.
2) At least at my company, they have a lower ceiling than people with engineering degrees. They cap out at 2 salary grades lower than an engineering degree holder can climb to.
Other than that there are no differences so their career looks very similar to an engineer for the most part.

>>16884240
>Average salary
>In 2k26
If you want to make some useful statistics use median

Have /scg/ anons ever considered working in technical positions at the United Nations? The pay may be average/below average, but there is opportunity for travel and doing impactful work. Plus, no taxes and a lot of cool benefits. I believe these jobs don’t get a lot of applicants either

>>16884637
My evil supervisor

>>16884690
why do you have to pretend to be doing things for so long? cant you read a book or play runescape or practice a language or something? i guess it sounds nicer than a warehouse infinite highschool slave job but that's so much time wasted
>>16884688
why absolute terror? do these statements even apply to structural engineering or any other type of civil?

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>love crazy ideas and and have dreams of contributing to changing humanity positively, have some specific goals but overlapping a lot of other people's goals
>nobody in my program is really that crazy and just likes science for science and wants jobs after and stuff (grad/phd program)
>get along with people well enough but have zero friends
>find an outside community of crazy people that I genuinely vibe with and love, feels great finally having people I can talk with candidly
>none of them give a shit about science or have ridiculous goals and stuff
This is bothering me a lot lately. I'm not trying to act like I'm some genius or anything, I already know many people that I'm 100% sure are more intelligent than me. But am I actually that fucking crazy? I'm starting to wonder if there's actually something wrong with me. Anybody else fell this way? Is it just a communication issue? I feel so alone. It's like people's hopes and dreams tend to just be half baked because they have a gf or wife or cat or something they just allocate their meaning in life to said "life partner."
>inb4 "you'll grow out of it junior wait until you're done with grad school"
On my fourth year and I almost feel even more delusional than when I started. I don't know if I'm growing out of this. Can someone just tell me it gets better? I'm so tired of being alone.

>>16883273
>I don’t know, the tech offices in particular just seem especially bleak and dystopian to me because of their scale and impersonal nature
That's just the one flavor of dystopian (you) know. There are people here who actually unironically work in offices and on equipment build (and just barely maintained since) the 1950s, or out of a falling apart van in a constant movement between countless work sites, or in the literal Chernobyl exclusion zone. Actual hard work has never been about accommodation - it would be easy work otherwise.

CS is especially a hellscape specifically because it's easily the single most corposhitten linkedin KPI'd cotton plantation out of any science field ATM. Every single alternative is somewhat more human simply by the "virtue" of being less financially relevant.

>>16884750
>Have /scg/ anons ever considered working in technical positions at the United Nations? The pay may be average/below average, but there is opportunity for travel and doing impactful work.
I personally know several guys who do that, and there's an extremely small amount of actual non-bureaucratic positions. What they have is cool but extremely unstable literal temp work.

>>16884702
Fuck sometimes I dream of just majoring in math and becoming a teacher. Leaning towards EE tho.

anyone tried machiavelli-maxxing? just become as sleazy, pragmatic and manipulative as possible to climb up.

>>16885064
I have same feeling when doing Phd. Other PhD students somehow see it as annoying job that they need to overcome instead of viewing it as a possibility to achieve greatness on your own. Although I want to change the word in a negative way unlike you. I want to fuck everyone

>>16885064
Most people die by 25. By 30, the majority of people don't have ambitions anymore, much less dreams, and don't want to get out of their comfort zone or be open minded. The same happens in all part of life, where at this age people tend to give up and are happy with whatever milestones they have reached so far. You would think academia is different, but sadly it isn't, just the amount of such people is smaller, especially if you avoid teaching oriented people. No, it does not get better, but with time you will find similar people in research as well, end of grad school, first year of postdoc is where a lot of talented people falter.

Avoid schizos though

>>16884261
>the rope
Got one for you

>>16885064
Something something surrogate activity
Get a wife

>>16885064
My take is that eventually the rubber meets the road, you have to eat and get paid, and for 99.9% of people this is not compatible with any dream that isn't getting a fairly regular job.

The closest you'll get to working on crazy shit is academia or startups. Most efforts in both fail, and most successes involve enough grifting to keep the lights on that any original vision left is pretty words on a funding application.

I try to find meaning in life in things outside of work because attaching my identity to my career just makes me bitter about all the failures.

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am I being autistic / too introverted about this? I need a job. I worked in a very niche field for 8 years where it's hard to hire competent people because they're all retarded or their experience is dogshit since they do nothing. I'm good at my job. I quit recently. I'm connected with a guy in charge of these sorts of technologies at a different company on linkedin and have maybe talked to the guy over email once or twice when I was employed. The company I worked for did many projects for that company and I personally worked on 7 or 8 of them (two man projects, so you have a lot of responsibility / visibility when working on them). One of the sites' even offered me a job there when I quit my old company but I did not want to move to Louisiana.

Would it be impolite or unprofessional to email the guy I know on linkedin and ask if he thinks they'd be hiring in the near future at the location he works at (I would need to move but it would be in the same city I'm currently in, not an entirely new state). This sort of work I NEVER see companies post listings for. Nationwide, there are 3 positions lmao. I swear they only hire internally or train up guys and ask them to do lateral positions so that's why I might need to "network"...as such.

>>16885618
PhD?

>>16885626
No, just a very specialized position within the chemical engineering field. Bachelors. "advanced process control". That said, I've worked with some PhDs who were very good and a few PhDs who did more harm than good and shouldn't be allowed onsite. They trip the units...

>>16885630
Get a PhD

>>16885631
Why would anyone with job experience as an engineer and presumably no interest in academia ever get a PhD

>>16885618
Yeah that's what LinkedIn is for, go for it. I don't see how anyone would consider that inappropriate.

>>16885633
I have 3 years of experience in engineering consulting and I'm about to start a PhD

>>16885633
Cool. I’m too autistic for my own good.

>>16885618
>Would it be impolite or unprofessional to email the guy I know on linkedin and ask if he thinks they'd be hiring in the near future at the location he works at
That's the purpose of LinkedIn

>>16884404
I came here to ask a similar question, but on the ME side. I'm a former motorsports/R&D auto tech working on a machining AS and I really enjoy the work but I'm concerned about income potential, job quality of life, and there's just a big part of me that feels bad about not getting a "real degree." I'm also really good (as far as students go, anyway) at CAD and design work in general and have leadership/management experience that might suit MET jobs. I think I could transfer a bunch of my AS to an MET BS, which wouldn't be the case for true ME, and I think it fits my interests and aptitude better anyway. The school I'd be looking at transferring to is an in-state public tech school and the program is ABET accredited, and I believe METs can get a PE here. I guess it just comes down to whether it's worth it, especially given that I'm older and would only have 20-30 years of career left, but that has to be balanced against maybe not being sustainable long term with just an AS.

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Do I really need to be spending 70 hours in the weekdays in the lab plus reading papers and analyzing data on the weekends to graduate with a PhD on time (4 years in the US)? That's what my PI is saying. I was planning to work 60 hours in the weekdays and no work in the weekends so I can catch up on sleep. If I am going to be working 70 hours a week plus weekends, I might as well go blue collar or military, at least I get more out of it.

>>16885652
Sounds like you need a PhD which you don't have. It would add credibility.

i just started my bioinformatics ms with no relevant job experience, am i fucked? how do i even get my foot through the door

>>16884404
I got a mechatronics degree and worked a bit in low level/embedded. Company went to shit and got a remote release engineering job that is very low effort, tried to get back into embedded again but unless you're senior they want you in office.

>>16884699
I was thinking of a masterd in CS. Is this a bad idea? I already have a job/experience, just wanna do more intresting shit like getting back into firmware/embedded but remote, adding ML/IoT seems like the best way to do that but I'm feeling a bit lost.

>>16885650
>>16885633
I'll send a message tomorrow. wish me luck.

How does one become an elite manufacturing engineer

>>16885656
No you don't, your PI is being a piece of shit

>30
>always shit at math
>will never be able to be an engineer or scientist
It's over for me isn't it

>>16884637
>. What kind of people would even apply??
jeets who can't actually do anything but will happily exploit this loophole in the social hierarchy to bring their entire clan over

>>16885652
ill preface this by admitting that i'm not an ME, so i might be wrong about a couple things here
you need to make sure that the MET program you're looking at is, without a doubt, ABET accredited and that you can use it to get your PE in your state. a lot of those are 4 year programs rather than 2 year ones like your AS.
the main drawback with MET degrees vs standard ME ones is that, without a bunch of past experience, you probably cant expect to get into an engineering role straight out of college, but this doesnt look like it'd apply to you so either degree would probably work
if you get an engineering job, you can expect around $60k-80k/yr with typical 40 hour weeks until you get your full PE. after that, your basically guaranteed to be employed for the rest of your life and your pay will go up to $100k-150k. likely a good deal better than what you can get with your machining AS, even if you are 40
do note that most ME work requiring a PE is MEP/construction related though, so your past experience may not be as useful as it would be in something like automotive. but, having your EIT will probably make this a moot point

>>16884702
the only benefit of becoming a teacher/professor (getting to fuck hot young students) has been deprecated so it's a deprecated career path

>>16885633
>Why would anyone with job experience as an engineer and presumably no interest in academia ever get a PhD
get with the times unc PhD is the new MBA

>>16885064
>dreams of contributing to changing humanity positively, have some specific goals
your problem is that you haven't been exposed to the real world enough and don't realize that nobody's in charge, even the most powerful or acknowledged people ultimately just ride the tiger

>>16884510
>i'm just not really sure what an office job entails
shitposting on 4chan. playing vidya if nobody's looking. ricing your setup. (very occasionally) doing some technical work before finding a subordinate to offload it to
>what is "comfy"?
being able to show up whenever and leave whenever. not sure I can go back to ever working at a place where people hold me accountable to working hours.

>>16885385
>By 30, the majority of people don't have ambitions anymore
hey man that's not fair. I have the ambition of saving up enough money next month to replace my shoes that have holes in them.

Does 4.0 GPA mean straight As/perfect grades in every single subject?
How the fuck do so many people have it?

>>16885783
Tbh the math needed in engineering isn't that hard. But if you know nothing you need at least a year to properly learn high school math before even starting uni courses

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>>16885917
I work at arguably the nicest research group in my department with only a bachelor's and a 2.6GPA, making above average money purely off of experience during my degree. Technical club leadership + research lab experience + co-op SHITS on GPA, if you have no delusions of grandeur this is the path imo. My key takeaway is people actually want people who get shit done in real life instead of coming up with larp models and other nonsense/mental gymnastics, at least in physics that actually collects data in the field.

>>16885919
Grades are the only way for us without connections to climb up.
4.0 GPA means that you have never once woken up with a headache on exam day, you have never once made a small mistake on an exam, never made a mistake on any assignment, never forgotten anything from any lecture.

>>16885917
they study piss easy courses with heavy grade inflation.

>>16885814
That's not an ambition outside Lithuania or whatever shithole you are from

>>16885952
it is when you're 30

>>16885721
>applied to a different position at the same site
>got an interview the next day
ahhh I need to email the mf before this goes on too far

>be me
>Getting fully funded PhD for up to 5 years (or even 6 if you somehow manage to fuck up)
>Huge fancy office
>Flexiblest working hours (come whenever you want, be it at 6 or at 12)
>Already hate it
What's wrong with me?

>>16886454
You just don't realise how good you have got it. I am in industry and people are being fired, just how many we do not know, we estimate about 20 percent.

>>16886454
if they're not treating you as a slave it's suspicious. probably not a good enough spot to attract people naturally so they have to go for goodies

>>16885783
Obtain some book that is filled with proofs. Attempt to prove all definitions and examples yourself before reading the author's proofs. If there is a lemma stop and ask what it will be used for. Repeat for the entire book until your early shit proofs are now almost similar to the author's. Skip the exercises until you've finished proving the book then go back and try them you'll be like this is way too easy now and the rest of math will just click as you know how the basic logic works.

For example Axler's book https://linear.axler.net/ all the defs/lemmas he proves are in blue so stop when you see that, do it yourself then look at his proof and mimic his style as you go.3Blue1Brown has vids on complex numbers.

>>16886454
German autism

>>16886487
That's a 100% standard setup on, what are you rambling about?

>>16885919
>if you have no delusions of grandeur
you're in the wrong general

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Google insider trading account bets that Gemini will score 70% on FrontierMath

I hate not having a fucking PI.
I'm just a student, I have no fucking idea what I am doing. My PI got himself fired and now I'm doing his fucking job on top of my own.

>>16886602
My pi is professor that has 15 minutes of time for me every two months or so
I'm basically paid to do science shit on my own. Like here's your lab, here's your money fuck you and see you in two months

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>>16884240
Absolute state of africa lol

>We're all equa-ACK

>>16886586
>insider
>trading peanuts

>>16885783
you're only shit at math if you don't like it. someone who's truly interested and fascinated by it and wants to learn will practice, and through trial and error will learn math and be good at whatever field he shall choose.

>>16886621
>>16886586
I checked his stats on pm analytics and I take it back. 43k gains against 1k losses and he voted for d4vd as most searched person on Google. you're onto something

how long do you guys need to write a paper/thesis? You guys think 5 days is enough to write a master thesis in physics? I have been procrastinating way too much lately and still have no clue how to start.

>>16885656
1. Those hours are completely unreasonable and your PI is a psychopath.
2. You have limited leverage for dealing with the situation.

>>16886636
start now. open overleaf or whatever and just write the title, your details and a placeholder for the introduction. it's easier to work on a project when you already started it. big procrastinator here btw.

>>16886636
5 days of what? If you have results and just need to stitch them together in something comprehensible then yes, it's doable.
If you have no results then good luck lmao

>>16885656
If it's American PhD where you do masters+PhD together then yes, but why would you even do it to you?
If it's just the PhD then you're being exploited in a bad way. Because your brain won't even function properly for that long, what's the fucking point? You can only do high quality research for like first 3 hours of your workday. Then your brain is ok a decline

>>16886636
I can write documents at a pace of around 1k words per day pretty easily if the material is there.

It still takes me like a year to write a paper because actually writing it is the easiest part and it's stuck in some version 1.241.24_final_v3_commented_reformatted and bouncing between eight people for an indeterminate time.

>>16886646
Trick is to write it like a script. You want the hook in the beginning, suspense buildup and a satisfying climax. A narrative that tells why this work matters and how it connects to classical literature on the subject by fulfilling some dream they had but you have now shown is possible. Many premiere papers you'll notice they do this too.

>>16886617
The science isn't the problem, that shit is easy. It's publishing and evaluating the journal I can aim for that is taxing.

>>16886653
Sometimes there's papers like that. Maybe a single author paper on a project that worked exactly as intended.

A lot of the times there's papers that had a half-baked plan, then it turns out the approach taken is not suitable to answer the question, and then you have to work backwards to piece together a narrative that justifies the existence of a paper and 18 Gb of data that took time and $$$ to collect. When the reason you are publishing is not because you have something to say but because you need to publish.

Even better with collaborators, since you are obligated by manners and politics to somehow work their contributions into that narrative. With enough data not everything ever lines up perfectly. So you tiptoe the line between limp-wristed vagueness and scientific fraud.

Then you need to send it to collaborators who take weeks to respond and when they do you find they inexplicably moved random sentences around and deleted all your commas. Then you find you need more data, need to contact another person, send it for another round of comments. Then submit it, get it rejected, revise, resubmit, deal with n rounds of reviewers, check proofs, and so on. Usually juggling other projects and work all the while.

That's how a project that was "done" somehow hangs around your neck for a good year afterwards.

>>16886602
I was in that position and I think it killed my academic career before it ever took off.

Anyone considers making a scientific startup?

>>16886767
Thought about it but not haven't made serious efforts that way yet. With the right idea and the right people I'd be up for it. PhD was when the people fit was best but the research at the time didn't lend itself to a startup well.

>>16886667
>my academic career
I couldn't care less about an academic career, even if I have some pretty decent papers.
It's just hard to convince people that this was a solo effort.

>>16886767
A PhD

>>16886636
>You guys think 5 days is enough to write a master thesis in physics
in most of a the world yes. in a good uni no
>>16886646
>version files
for academic papers you use latex and a vcs like git (though it is often abstracted behind a SaaS, namely overleaf)