The Final Flight of Pegasus editionPrevious >>17007008
>>17010013https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLpYvG5GkuE
>>17010009is that Ewan Mcgregor?
Cancel Starship.
>people still swear by the Hart–Tipler conjecture even after the discovery that exoplanets aren't rare at allJesus
>>17010039Yeah but all the exoplanets are shittyThey're either too big or too close to their star
>>17010040cuz those are the easiest to spot
The Fermi paradox is easily resolved by the anthropic principle. If advanced civilizations invariably wipe out all other emerging lifeforms (which would be trivially easy and quite rational), then being in a region with no other intelligent life in its lightcone is simply another prerequisite for life to emerge, like having a rocky planet with liquid water.This would then imply we're unlikely to encounter aliens in the next few billion years.
>>17010040My point is that with more than trillions of planets around (counting the ones we can't see) it's extremely unlikely that intelligence only exists or has ever existed on earth
>>17010042Also, think of how long the paleolithic was, and how short the neolithic was. It was only a 20 or so thousand years from stone tools to where we are now. Even if FTL is possible, you might zoom all over the galaxy and find plenty of intelligent lifeforms but they're all in their stone age so you just absorb them
>>17010044This is exactly why I used the term "lightcone" instead of something less precise like "nearby." The assumption that a civilization's von Neumann probes should follow its first electromagnetic emissions at close to c and with negligible delay is a reasonable one, and explains why we don't see any radio signals.
>>17010044Considering how quickly we started sending probes that will fly in space for all eternity i think it's likely that at one point we will end up finding at least a "alien version" of the Pioneer and Voyager probes
>>17010047We're sure to pass those primitive probes by on our way out of the solar system, and from then on the forefront of our exploration will be something much more sustainable and survivable. When we finally do cross paths with another technological entity, the first and last thing we'll see of each other will likely be a bidirectional tidal wave of RKVs.
>>17010048holy reddityeah sure, because getting MAD'd out the moment you encounter another culture is a viable survival strategy that has been well practiced in history. Fucking moron.
>>17010054Neither of us can do shit about the other's overall existence, because more probes are already heading in opposite directions from our respective starting points, never to meet thanks to the expansion of spacetime. Pretty ingenious failsafe ensuring intelligent lifeforms can never annihilate each other.Also you're low iq.
>>17010056>moves goalpostskek>expansion of spacetimelmao, you are such a midwit. Barely even worthy of a (You)
>>17010047If we managed to obtain some magic propulsion system in the meantime, I think we would eventually retrieve the previous shitcans we sent, in order to clean up after ourselves, and then put them in a museum.
>>17010013I believe Starship cadence will be 1 per month after Flight 13 but only because the SpaceX female said it and not Elon. When a female is talking listen and learn!Go queen!![math]\unicode{x1F621}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F621}[/math][math]\unicode{x1F621}[/math]
>>17010013Advantage of Pegasus over Falcon?
>>17010079Mobile launch infrastructure.
>>17010082usecase?
>>17010086You asked what the advantage was and that's the only advantage they have.
>>17010090it's not an advantage if it's useless
>>17010092We weren't discussing how useful it was either.
>>17010093correct. We were discussing advantages. And there is no advantage if it is useless. Got it?
>>17010095Being able to launch from anywhere there's a landing strip is still an advantage Falcon 9 does not have.
>>17010097see >>17010092
stick the L1011 in a museum now you fucks
>>17010098See your own anus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42BjlPrRhlw
>>17010079fewer weather delays, since launch happens above the cloud layer(but a better comparison is to Electron or Falcon 1. Pegasus is pretty small)
https://www.moneycontrol.com/europe/?url=https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india/india-s-space-industry-hunts-for-its-spacex-moment-13964973.htmlLooks like the jeets want in on the space race as well>A small turd for man, a giant turd for mankind
>>17010104fewer? MORE.
>>17010099sadly, I'm sure it is just destined for the boneyard, despite being the last of its kind>>17010104>*washttps://science.nasa.gov/blogs/swift/2026/07/03/mission-to-boost-nasas-swift-launches-from-marshall-islands/>A mission to raise the orbit of NASA’s Swift observatory has reached orbit.
Behold, NGRhttps://x.com/NASAKennedy/status/2072745197721575568
Why the fuck isn't ESA starting a program to put european feets on the moon? I swear to God, the most useless space agency to this date.
>>17010042>>If advanced civilizations invariably wipe out all other emerging lifeforms (which would be trivially easy and quite rational)>quite rational>genocideYou know this is why the ayys avoid this place, right?
Herr are the next space events outside of the Earth System that will happen this year:>Next Sunday >Japanese Hayabusa 2 making a potential asteroid fly-by approaching it within 1 km but could possibly crash into it and contributing to planetary defence science >July>Chinese Tianwen-2 will land on an asteroid to collect samples which will be brought to Earth>November>European BepiColombo will insert itself into the orbit of Mercury>November >European Hera will insert itself into the orbit of Didymos
>>17010138>BepiColombo Elon will soon start talking about solar sails and colonizing Mercury for AI datacenters.
>>17010138I'll add to this with other interesting launches and moon missions:>September>Nancy Grace Roman Telescope launches to study the changing cosmos and exoplanets>NET October>Chang'e 7 launches, Moon lander featuring a rover and hopper>Q3>Blue Moon Pathfinder launch, Moon lander>November>Griffin Mission 1, a lunar lander containing a rover>November/December>MMX launches bound for the moons of Mars to return samples from Phobos>Late 2026>Blue Ghost M2 launch, lunar lander, follow up to last years successful touchdown on The Moon>IM-3 Launch, a lunar lander, their third attempt
>>17010079The ability to deliver payloads naturally to any orbital inclination as well as lower total cost. The only reason this mission happened was because Pegasus could get to a 20.6d orbit without any overly fancy maneuvers (Falcon 9 would have needed nearly 1km/s extra delta-v to get down to there from the Cape's 28d latitude) and Northrop was willing to get the last set of OSC hardware out of storage for a significant discount on Pegasus base $40M launch cost.
>>17010147I was really excited for IM-2 because it had a mini hopper that could go into permanently shadowed craters and make pictures and hop out. But at least we will get another chance with ching chong chang 7
>>17010150Hopefully this one doesn't land on a rock and tip over again.
If America was a serious country we wouldn’t even be allowing chang’e landers on the moon or mars, and we would certainly be actively sabotaging Communist factories to ensure long march rockets, lanyue landers, and chinkzhou capsules don’t make it to the lunar surface
Shoot down the Tiangong
>>17010042Earth is the only place with complex life so far, and the ayys (which are real) are divergent branches of pre-flood humanity
you vs the guy she tells you to not worry about
ship 42
>>17010178don't panic
>>17010163This will be the post-WWIII US foreign policy. Nobody goes to space without US clearance.
>>17010178its hiding
>>17010079very efficient for reaching specific orbital inclinations for small payloads.even then falcon still competes through brute force.
>>17010138pepsi columbo.
>>17010178Which ship has the white tiles on the cone we saw last month?
BepiColombo was supposed to come with a lander but it was later cancelled.
>>17010188I don't know if there was an ID for that one
>>17010190The ESA is useless
>>17010042Or just that they have already existed and died out billions of years ago? Or the Universe is like Dune.
now that pegasus, what is the next rocket to be discontinued?atlas has a couple left
>>17010190>>17010196Landing on Mercury is very hard
>>17010202Vulcan.>but it has 38 laun-They will announce 'in order to streamline our business we will terminate the Vulcan'
>>17010147It is surreal to me that Moon landings, manned or unmanned, basically ceased for 50 years despite it being right next to us and technology having advanced rapidly. We could've had a robot army on the Moon, charting out landing locations and exploring lunar caves.
>>17010202Starship
>>17010206what business
>>17010202 Minotaur perhapssome random Long Marchproton in a couple years
>>17010207>We could'veIn Quantum decoherence and History Selection theory, in the multiverse out of a near-infinite continuum of timelines, only a tiny subset are dynamically stable enough to survive and become a real outcome. TLDR Don't sweat it. The outcome we got is the 'path of least resistance' one.
>>17010207it's expensive.
>>17010207moon sucks and distance is irrelevant
>>17010180why would anyone need permission from a balkanized shithole?
>>17010217moon really does suck.
Every week Jared be like>hey guys, re-paint this plane
By 2030 we will have imaged Proxima b and determined whether it has an atmosphere, and if it does, will have categorised it.>RISTRETTO is a visible, high-resolution spectrograph designed for the Very Large Telescope (VLT) in Chile to detect and study the atmospheres of rocky exoplanets in reflected light. Set for installation by 2030, it uses advanced adaptive optics to mask stellar glare from nearby stars like Proxima Centauri.>Assuming an Earth-like atmosphere, our results show that RISTRETTO can detect Proxima b in reflected light in about 55 hours of observing time, offering the ability to characterize the planet orbital inclination, true mass, and broadband albedo. In addition, molecular absorption by O2 and H2O can be detected in about 85 hours of observations.
>>17010231I'm working on HWO and it's exciting
>>17010232Why is it slated so late? Is it because of how ambitious or advanced the project is or just because there's still the next generation of space 'scopes to get through first?
>>17010231If proxima b has so much as even a SLIM chance of being anywhere near the lower end of what can be considered a “habitable zone,” I will take it as concrete evidence that we are definitely destined to get there and be a multi-star system species
>>17010236If there's a habitable world in Proxima I'd take it as nothing less than divine favor.
>>17010238Yup that’s how I see it
>>17010235it's big
>>17010116It's a big NGR
>>17010116thank you NRO-san
Let's say Proxima B would have a civilization just like Earth, what would be the chance that we have discovered already that there are aliens? And at which distance from Earth it would start to be highly unlikely that we would discover an existing alien civilization that is just like ours
>>17010236>paradise planet start>moon big enough to test space maneuveres, landings, and off-planet bases with early tech/experience>smaller dead planet that fell out of habitability, a true test as a precursor of mankind's ambition to reach the stars>stellar neighbour has a habitable planet where everything is completely different to earth, will put us under incredible hardship but conquering it will cement our destiny as the rulers of the universe>somewhere out there is a second earth around a G or K type star waiting for us to discover and claim it, but it will be hundreds or thousands of LYs away, requiring us to harness exotic matter and putting man under the most insane tests possibleNo one can tell me the universe wasn't designed for humans. We will become the rulers of everything because we are destined to become so.
>>17010244They'd need to be radio broadcasters for us to notice.
>>17010245you'll like this video lab:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFByANR8FBMhe makes an interesting hypothesis at the end. it's a cool channel
Ok but how to do manned interstellar travel? Including stellar insertion and landing on a planet. Has any /sfg/ anon the answer?
>>17010248Do we broadcast to Proxima B?
>>17010251Overwhelmingly large Medusa ship
>>17010251you can't.c
>>17010253Omnidirectional radio signals with simple AM/FM encoding have been going out from high power transmitters for most of the last century.
A broadcast from Proxima b just flew over my house!
CMB is the siriusXM of aliens
>>17010251Maybe I am wrong but I believe that technology can survive for millions of years if it is shielded, in vacuum, in microgravity and able to withstand temperatures of near absolute zero. So all you need to do is putting an artificial womb inside the Starship(get it? Because you travel to another star) and an habitat and an AI with robotic arms which feeds and raises the child, the AI doesn't need to be AGI to raise a human, the human intelligence is enough if you give enough resources and some positive feedback loop. The human will be created just 18 years before arrival so he won't die before arrival. Also you can just cruise in space for hundreds of thousands of years under these circumstances, so you don't need to be very fast, 100 km/s delta-v should be enough. Am I delusional?
>>17010274yeah
>>17010235There are no other next gen telescopes in the pipeline, not big ones. Roman was the only flagship astronomy mission in development at NASA. It will launch soon, and the next major NASA observatory will be HWO, probably in 20 years. Maybe there will be a smaller probe sized mission, but it's very unclear if there is money. Thankfully ESA will launch Athena and LISA before then.
>>17010251Wait for completely new physics to drop before contemplating it? Why do we assume we know everything already?
>>17010274Interstellar travel will never last longer than a century at most, even when travelling to stars thousands of LY away, because relativity makes it so the travel time for the travelers is much, much shorter than perceived from home. God literally designed physics to allow us to cover an infinite distance within a human lifetime. You can't tell me we weren't destined to rule the stars knowing this.
>>17010220>>17010217The Moon is fine. Without it what would humans first target be? Going from LEO to Mars is a huge step
>>17010202yeah, but that was the last Bruiser (551). The rest have to be Starliners or a sat that fits inside the small fairing.There are only 11 Protons left, but Russia hardly launches them any more.
>>17010296You can't go home again, but why would you want to?
spehs
>>17010310I lack strong ties to Earth desu I would go in a heartbeat
>>17010317The only reason to come back would be to see what becomes of Earth in 10,000 years.
>>17010327do you think starship will have gone to orbit by then
>>17010329Yes, but even in the far flung future you will still be a faggot.
Jared Isaacman will do a flyover tomorrow, in D.C, perhaps on one of these? >>17009923But also, Artemis II crew will get on stage and talk, in the Great American State Fair.https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2073122199553106130https://x.com/NASA_Events/status/2073120592102924650
>nothing happening for the next 4 days due to the holidaywe sleep
>>17010334Go outside and launch some rockets
>>17010333it's going to be so sad when they take the stage and there are like 4 people in the audience
Wish Blue Origin's biggest advocate a happy birthday.
>>17010345happy birthday you autist https://www.americasuncommonsense.com/1-apollo-17-diary-of-the-12th-man/c-chapters-10-18/chapter-13-history-in-the-dust-contents/a-section-1/
>>17010334burn down your city with illegal fireworks during a heat waveor follow the Swift rescue mission, as they continue to bring up the Katalyst rescue vehicle to full operation and chase down Swift.
>>17010359I truly do hate fireworks.all of that powder could have been used in a Uberti
>Teams have successfully established communications with Katalyst Space’s robotic servicing spacecraft LINK, which is designed to raise the orbit of NASA’s Neil Gehrels Swift Observatory to a higher altitude.>Over the next several weeks, Katalyst will perform checkout procedures for LINK, including assessments of its propulsion, sensor, and navigation systems.>LINK will then approach Swift and complete a survey of the 21-year-old observatory, before capturing and lifting it over the course of several months.https://science.nasa.gov/blogs/swift/2026/07/03/teams-make-contact-with-spacecraft-set-to-boost-nasas-swift/
>>17010367>SpaceX status: Not Found
>>17010368moon TAM is one trillionth that of AI, why should they bother?
>>17010369the Moon isn't a bubble that will pop two weeks.
>>17010371I was told the bubble was going to pop two weeks ago, and also two weeks before that, and two weeks before that, and...
If America had gone all in on passenger SST the follow up to the shuttle would probably have been launched by some humongous Mach 3 carrier plane
six moon landingsunmatched america 250
>>17010393>claiming other men's achievements as your own
>>17010395yes
>>17010358There's a story about walking on the moon in that wall of autism somewhere.
>>17010397geologists lick too many rocks
https://x.com/SkyrootA/status/2072561773857882596>Announcing Vikram-1 Test Flight-1: Mission Aagaman, India’s first private orbital rocket launch.>Satish Dhawan Space Centre, Sriharikota>450 km, 60 degree inclination, Low Earth Orbit>Launch Window: July 12 – August 4, 2026>Vehicle is now fully stacked at India’s historic First Launch Pad (FLP). The countdown to a new chapter in Indian spaceflight begins. One rocket, a billion believers. Thank you ISRO & INSPACe for enabling this..
>>17010420fuck off space is full
>>17010304Mars sucks even more. There's just been no reason to go anywhere, other than niche science and prestige.
Io is disgusting
>spaceflight>flight>space>no air in space
250!!!!!!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4756030/Perihelion/Someone is making a game where you build and test rocket engines and can export them to KSP/KSA.
>>17010393You don't even have a real country. What is your heritage? You have no ties to the people who founded America. America is not a real country, it's an unprecedented mutt empire unified on hopes and dreams and a large stock of resources.
>>17010452>posting false-colour images to spread anti-io propaganda
>>17010501based autist
>>17010374and people will keep telling you until it eventually happens and then everyone will be left confused and scratching their heads at how it came out of nowhere and there was just nothing we could do.
>>17010452Io looked disgusting - volcanos protruding - in its orbit around Jupiter. Very very disrespectful.
>>17010452
>>17010452What's really disgusting is Saturn. We should harvest its gas until it's gone.
Why does ESA branding suck ass so bad? What were they thinking with that logo? Minimalism fucking sucks.
>>17010503Looks like a daemon world. I recommend exterminatus.
>>17010452>post is another reminder of the awesomeness of Callisto
>>17010523NSF photography be like
>>17010503>still looks disgustingKek
>>17010452Io, Jupiter :/Okonomiyaki, japan :O
I want to EAT Io
>>17010138>Tianwen-2 actually arrived at kamoʻoalewa last week but they specifically chose July 4 to do the rendezvousSneaky bastards
>>17010042>advanced civilizations invariably wipe out all other emerging lifeforms (which would be trivially easy and quite rational)If we extrapolate from experience, then we see that this is false: we actually depend on other life forms.
>no flyover in space some birthday party
>>17010042>it's rational so commit suicidehuh, thought I was on /lgbt/ for a moment
Is First Man an aryan film or are there nons/girlbosses in it?
>>17010649ask /pol/don't come back here
>>17010650Fuck off and seethe
ship 42 being stacked. some say it will be the first orbital starship.
>>17010654i meant first starship to launch from florida
>>17010420>milled isogrid work platformsI'm thinking based
>>17010190Lol bepis XD
My sources are tell me that they will attempt to catch the Booster in Flight 13.
>>17010400kek
>>17010658they couldnt even hover with the last one
>>17010502America was created by all the Europeans that thought>it's gay kissing a monarch's boot I'm going to risk getting scalped or dying on the voyage to live in America.This same mentality will create the Martian interstellar republic
>>17010658what are your sources?
>>17010662My intuition and me.
TIF 13 will be lame 14 might be cool, but someone familiar with the subject says that 15 will be based
what are they https://thedebrief.org/nasas-curiosity-rover-is-investigating-unusual-polygon-structures-that-look-like-a-giant-martian-honeycomb/
>thedebrief[-]
>>17010658Shotwell already said it'd be the same as 12.
shotwell also said E2E is the future
I'm so excited for ELT. We will photograph Proxima b by 2030.
Happy Independence Day, /sfg/!Enjoy the rockets today
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>>17010683>non-american holding american flag
>>17010684jonny kim is more american than any of us
>>17010684he is in space which is american property ergo he is american or illegal
https://x.com/djfnfkdkdkz/status/2073370783477539028>At 17:30 on July 4, China successfully launched the Long March-6A carrying the 13th group of Qianfan polar-orbit satellites.
>>17010693do we know when commercial service begins?
interestinghttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qianfan#Impact_on_the_sky
>>17010699inb4 spacex gets the blame
>>17010700based victim complexbro
>>17010701shut up eds
>>17010696Probably not for a while yet. They've only launched ~200 satellites; Amazon's only starting to talk about operationalizing Leo with 400 in orbit and Oneweb needed almost 600 before they went operational.
>>17010709its crazy how you can launch so many satellites and still have them be basically useless
>>17010274>a child that has never even felt the warmth of his parents will just grow up healthy without major developmental issues when you raise it using a text to speech programyou are retarded.
>>17010683
>>17010251AntimatterGet to the other star in a subjective 2 decades
>>17010715You can test that on Earth. After thousands of years of iterative design we will probably be able to make an AI/robotic system that is able to rise good enough humans, just like Elon with Starship. THATS WHY WE TEST
When do we get to see xAI's latest flop model?
Ashleey Vance is a man???????
>>17010732bro...
>>17010733Ashley is a female name
Elon Musk is male btw. Look at his name it is E L O N.
>>17010735its Ashlee
>>17010674What happened to the "move fast and break things" philosophy? If flight 13 will be identical to 12, why even bother? Why not at least deploy real Starlink stats, since the ship didn't blow up in orbit for the last 3 launches? Do something different, ffs
>>17010744>What happened to the "move fast and break things" philosophy?least disingenuous /sfg/ poster
>>17010744even when spacex is slow they still move at lightning speed compared to the rest of the industry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9wMMkQfev4
>>17010752be richdont be poorthe rest of the steps are easy
roooverrrrr
my poor sfg...
why is everyone pissing and shitting over orbital data centers? The cooling requirement is less than what the ISS handles with it's big radiators. That system also operates at a much lower temperature.
>>17010839>why is everyone pissing and shitting over orbital data centers?I didn't know anyone was
>>17010660you can't even hover over the public toilet, big lqd
>>17010842only the bots and EDS
>>17010839No evidence
>>17010839it's the same people who kneejerked shit-piss-cummed themselves when that story about landing the promise rover on the moonthe crying about how it wouldn't work, the moon is too different from mars, dust regolith gravity atmosphere
>>17010838Based, but should have had all living Apollo astronauts on stage, as well.
>>17010853>iSpace>not xSpacefail
>>17010853what? did I miss a 1st stage barge landing by the Chinese?wait a sec that isn't AI is it? fucking 2026
Happy anniversary to my beloved Sojourner
>>17010869https://www.youtube.com/shorts/KJP4prSeVzEseems to be only a test to see how the stage would fare while standing on a moving droneship.
>copying f9 booster for reuse Why
>>17010877why not?
Live broadcast of the Hayabusa2 asteroid explorer's flyby of asteroid Trifune.https://youtu.be/hVC3KP3FdQM
>>17010851of what?
>>17010877China can't invent. They copy
>>17010878Because they can build a way better booster for reuse if they develop it with reuse in mind from the start.
>>17010885I don't think they can, if they could they would.
>country/company does not copy spacex>sfg complains>country/company copies spacex>sfg complains
>>17010877Insect thinking.
>>17010887If they copy f9 at this point you know right from the start that it's not serious attempt.
>>17010891it's better than nothing
>>17010668behold the power of autismhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=-ZuCP40cx7g
>>17010879Konichiwa! Nips are so cute! I hope they inherit the stars along with Americans!
Hayabusa 2's flyby of Torifune will occur in 2 and a half hours. It also has a chance to crash into the asteroid if it gets too close. Will be interesting to hear more from it regardless.I wish CNSA was more public about Tianwen 2, but it's China so what can you expect? Hopefully they release information soon.
>>17010838Jeremy: "Why am I even here..."
>>17010906I teared up a bit when I was watching this. I'm not even American.
>>17010889wow... so cringe. Scifi authors should never be allowed into philosophy
>>170102742001 Nights by Yukinobu Hoshino.There's even a 1987 OVA adaptation of the Manga specifically exploring the idea of an artificial womb colony ship
Gaia DR4 release in December will confirm or refute Proxima C.
When will something happen?
>>17010948see >>17010946
>>17010953>>17010946What is the significance of that?
>>17010948The happening of today already happened, Hayabusa 2 made a successful fly-by.
https://x.com/QldFireDept/status/2073648297915658727chinamen dropping hydrazine tanks on australia
>>17010889Zoomers would seethe at this if they were capable of reading it.
>>17010946>tidally locked x-ray cooked flarestar slopFind me Toliman A at once
The real happening will happen when the Square Kilometre Array will be fully operational. We will be able to hear the aliens, let's just hope South Africa won't collapse before.
>>17010964Proxima b will be the planet that the last humans survive on because it will last for so long.>>17010956If Proxima c is confirmed and the inclination of its orbit turns out to be around 45-47°, then we can piece together various parts of the Proxima system to form a much more coherent picture. The debated dust belts around Proxima with a reported inclination of 45° as well as Proxima's own stellar rotation at 47° give or take a few would be unified with the confirmation of planet c and we can then reasonably assume that planets d and b are more or less coplanar with the rest of the system, since that's how planetary formation works, unlocking the true masses of these planets (0.36 Me and 1.44 Me respectively).
>>17010967No one gives a shit about muh aliens. All I care about is characterising rocks around other stars, which ELT will do soon. Humans are the only species in this universe that matter.
>>17010967What does this offer over current/prior arrays?>>17010969>rock snifferLeast obvious NASA employee
>>17010839people are retarded
>>17010964If they have magnetic fields, which it looks like they do, they may not be locked at all. Perhaps in some resonance like Mercury
>>17010960They're not gonna issue a cheeky littering fine to the CCP now are they, that kind of banter is only for friends.
so how is terafab supposed to be operational by late 2027
>>17011068i thought they were supposed to have a prototype chip ready by then, not the whole building
>>17011072My bad. Got it mixed up with the Gigasat Factory
>>17010709Qianfan sats launches are ramping up fast, used to be monthly at the start of the year, now it's almost weekly and will hit twice a week within a few months if they keep ramping up the launch rate. I could see it hitting the 500 mark by the end of the year at this rate.
>>17010926Philosophy is retarded. It's like alchemy.Keep your philosophers away from my science.
>he came here and replied to a 7 hour old post just to show everyone how mad he is about meaningless topic #87150467
>>17011029A stable tidally locked planet is a better place than some planet that might start rotating because of interaction with other nearby ones
>>17011089Bitch, philosophy is the father of all sciences.
>>17011124trvke
>>17011089The lack of value in philosophy comes from the lack of value in the people who pursue it as a field.
>>17011089where do you think soience came from redditard
https://www.fws.gov/sites/default/files/documents/2026-06/final_ea-boca_chica_landex.pdfI was skimming that land swap environmental assessment and noticed that the fucking beetle that people keep whinging about isn't even being considered here but they included a fucking clam. lol
>>17011130I forgot about the ocelots
>>17011127>>17011124Where do you think chemistry came from? Alchemy.Philosophy has been superseded. >>17011126The lack of value is a result of it being unscientific. Unobjective, unempirical.
>>17011161>The lack of value is a result of it being unscientific. Unobjective, unempirical.The lack of value is motivated reasoning. They made hedonism guiltless, and turned envy, lust, and murder into virtue.
>>17011162>They made hedonism guiltless, and turned envy, lust, and murder into virtue.These aren't scientific questions/answers.Who cares?I do care that people are trying to shove unscientific gobbledygook, like social constructionism, into actual science.
>>17010967>>17010982SKA is supposed to be much bigger, and more sensitive. Most radio telescopes are vintage. There hasn't been a big build out in decades. The VLA was built in the 70's, and is fairly modern compared to most. Old arrays had few numbers of antennas. Many of these facilities have upgrades, but they are still quite limited. In the past computation was expensive, so arrays couldn't be large, even though arrays with many more antennas make much better images. The amount of image information you recover grows almost as N^2. The VLA has 27 antennas, which had to be moved around to have higher resolution some seasons, or more sensitivity. SKA Mid will have about 200 antennas, spread from small scales to longer baselines. About 1/3rd are from the existing MeerKAT array in South Africa. It is much more advances than older arrays. There is also the low frequency array in Australia, which will have about 100,000 christmas-tree-like antennas. It has been scaled back in ambition due to budget reality, but they can keep building it in the future.Pic related was a quick image of the center of our Galaxy taken by MeerKAT. Images of this fidelity are just totally new. SKA will much better still. It is higher resolution than this shitty board allows.
>>17011163Social construction is a science in as much as the construction of a society is susceptible to cause and effect. People suck shit at coming up with grand theories as to why things work the way they do, but they are quite capable of deducing that if they do X, Y will happen. Philosophy has discarded that in favor of making up grandiose bullshit to justify want they want to do.
>>17010967it will be able to detect leakage if the aliens live within a few light-years, so it will detect nothing
>>17010681>>17010969Last week I attended a talk where someone from ESO showed a video of ELT rotating on it's mount. Apparently pushed by human power. Almost alive. It's covered in logos because I could only find it on the engineering company's Instagram, rather than ESO.
Even a small amount of eccentricity in a tidally locked planet can cause libration to the point where sunrises and sunsets occur at the terminator zone.
People have been making fun of Chinese rocket's horrible performance for a couple of years now, especially for their future reusable rockets, which have similar or larger size and weight to a F9, but vastly lower performance. Looks like China finally decided that their current batch of cryogenic rockets were mature enough to start implementing major upgrades and small optimizations, similar to what happened to the F9. My guess is that China will apply the same optimization process to their next generation reusable rockets in the early 2030s.
>>17011187China's rockets won't have major performance leaps without very large upgrades to the engines. Optimization will buy double digit percentage improvements, but it won't double or triple the payload.
>>17011193There have been some engine upgrades too, and the Chinese F9 clones are not that far apart from the F9, with just mass optimisations, they will get within the same payload range.
>>17011187>>17011187>people have been making fun of Chinese rocket's horrible performance for a couple of years nowhave they? from what i observed, no one just talks about them aside from the obligatory reports from space channels.the only thing i saw widely mocked were the stages falling on villages and that hasn't happened in years.the general perception i sense is that chinese rockets are competent, if a step behind spx and blorigin. and them getting to reuseability is considered inevitable.
>>17011196If the Zhuque-3E's upgraded TQ-12Bs actually hit their intended target specification without a significant increase in dry mass, they might actually do it. I do not believe the other Falcon 9 clones like Tianlong-3 or Long March 12B have a realistic chance of matching Falcon 9's expendable or reusable performance without directly matching the current iterations of Merlin 1D, and that is a very high performance and very light weight engine.
>>17011181Cool, they already finished the dome?
>>17011164kino, can't wait for the first results
>>17010218>balkanized shitholeand yet it is we who control both earth and spacecurious!
>>17011225Close to completed. The doors open and close, and the surface is nearly complete. This is from April. But there is still a lot to do. There is extra components in the dome, like the windscreen, air conditioning, ventilation, power. And they will have to get it weather tight, and i guess have a big clean. The dome is supposed to be fully compete next year. They will also start installing the primary mirror next year.
>>17011237>post-WWIIIin your passive aggressive rage you did not think to read the reply chain, embarrassing yourself in the process. Please learn from your mistake and don't make it in the future.
>>17010877Proven concept = low project risk
20 more Qianfan launched on LM8A
>>17011181>>17011240Awesome. I wish the GMT would get going faster. I wish the 30m telescope would actually get built too.
>>17010709Now at 238. 4 more LM6A and 5 more LM8A would put it over 400. LM6A and LM8(A) both launch monthly (roughly).
if I have a phone, it can talk to just about any cell tower. how long until it's the same for receiver dishes and internet satellites?
>>17011251how long until we put sanctions on chinese megaconstellations?
>>17011260They probably won't even bother to offer service in the US
>>17011252At the moment GMT is stuck in limbo. It needs funding from the US government, via NSF. Even completing just GMT would be the biggest NSF project thus far (1.6 billion). And so they have been forced to jump though lots of hoops, design reviews, reports, they got approval from the NSB. Now they have to do the final design review for NSF, but without any funding to support it. But it's very unclear if it will actually be accepted, as these are not normal times. Apparently the OMB is fighting it, and recently the admin fired the NSB. Probably it will stay in hibernation. Some are still fighting to also get enough funding for TMT, which actually has raised more than GMT. There was a US budget that said they should both, but there is no money. TMT and GMT were going for NSF funding starting in about 2010.
it's amazing how much more shit we'd be getting done if NSF budget wasn't strangled and politicized every fucking year.
CAS is buying an LM8A launch (for the eXTP mission). The price is mentioned: $36mhttps://www.ccgp.gov.cn/eadylynotice/202606/t20260608_26709230.htm
>>17010853more like hyperboa9000
>>17011260one would need to exist first
Sometimes I just randomly think about the infamous musk melty and the whole thing seems so surreal and bizarre, like what even was the tactical advantage there
>>17011295his plans are measured in centuries
>>17011295Which "Musk Melty" are you referring to.
>>17011295I think you forgot that he literally has autism
>>17011265We need to give 2000lb JDAMs to Israel to bomb children in Lebanon, you bigot!
Does Shartship have a program manager inside Spacex?
>>17011319muslims could stop being terrorists at any point
>>17011295Just blowing off steam
>>17011338Desert cults never change, they'll always be doing this until the cults go extinct.
Uh, guys Is it over for SpaceX?
Whomgst?
>>17011344THE definitive business model of the 2020s:1. claim to be the next spacex for a given industry2. acquire venture capitaland that's it that's the whole plan
>>17011344>>17011350The inherent problem for all these SpaceX competitors is that they don't have a government to back them.The US spends a lot of money on defense and related industries. Australian aerospace cannot survive without a wealthy government suitor....he can try moving to the US.
>>17011344Didn't their rocket fall back on the pad?
>>17011352spacex also had a perfect storm of ideal market conditions in the launch industry in the 2010s, ensuring they had access to unlimited contracts at what today would be considered ridiculously high prices, both government and commercial.this is to say nothing of their engineering skill, which VC investors and scams targeting them seem to forget is actually pretty important for an aerospace company
>>17011355Setting aside their need to sue to just be able to bid, SpaceX didn't have access to 'unlimited' contracts until they mastered reuse and were able to undercut everyone elses prices.
>>17011352even other countries militaries use spacex
>>17011338Israel could handle this themselves at any point
>>17010250>"I just don't think evolution is real because I don't understand it.">perfectly explains how evolution works for an adjacent event (the literal topic of this video)>"Musta been God."I can't tell if this is bait or retardation.
>>17011378he never says that?
>>17011357Nope, at the time SpaceX entered the market Proton and Ariane (the only alternatives for commercial launch at the time) didn't see any drop in flight rates. There was more demand for launches than supply, and so SX was able to make bank and finance continued development just by being mildly competitive using the expendable F9. However many rockets they were able to launch, someone would pay them for it, which allowed them to scale up with confidence.Critically, this is no longer the case, as not only have launch prices come down, but there's no supply glut; anyone who wants to fly a satellite can already do so, and cheap. Meaning companies who want to emulate SX are going to have a MUCH harder time getting customers than SX did.
https://x.com/StarbaseTX/status/2073803986767941858
>>17011384Should've blown up a Starship as the grand finale
>>17011382cont.Rather than continuing to rely on this first-mover advantage, SpaceX addressed the need for unlimited scale in a future where other companies can't be relied upon to buy every launch by becoming their own customer (launching Starlink), tying their launch capability directly to a much larger and more reliable source of revenue.This model of "integrate vertically enough to link your technology to an infinite TAM" has now become another staple of modern VC scams (including the SpaceX IPO with their AI sats)
>>17011379He does. He talks about probability at huge lengths concerning evolution, says he doesn't understand evolution, compares the odds to the low odds he formulates for the impact event (as a means to sneak in there the unlikelihood), and then talks about how unlikely it is that by pure chance that the KT event struck what he feels was the exact right location on the planet in order to facilitate humans being able to dominate it (evolutionary creationism).
>>17011390he never says "I just don't think evolution is real because I don't understand it."
>>17011393Does he or does he not say he doesn't understand evolution?
>>17011397nope.
There's life on Pluto but just gay microbes 'n shit. By the time anyone confirms it nobody will care.
what a whoretaking 4 antenna's at once
what exciting space things will happen this week?
>>17011410Half way to two weeks
>>17011410daytime visible supernova
>>17011410asteroid impacthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVNA-fUb9gg
>>17010383
>>17011338Both sides are irrational and fighting a holy war
>>17011427hexagons are the bestagons!!!!
>>17011410China attempting to land the first stage of Long March 10B at Friday and the Japanese releasing today the asteroid photo of the 800 meter fly-by.
>>17011433ah yes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/98943_Torifune
whats the minimum size an asteroid needs to be in order to claim it as legal clay
>>17011437No such scale exists because the Outer Space Treaty prohibits claiming any celestial bodies as sovereign territory.
>>17011390Humans would have dominated even without the KT impact. Non-avian dinosaurs filled the megafauna niche, but smaller fauna niches were already being encroached upon by mammals. In that other timeline, humans would still dominate, but we would have no mammalian megafauna like elephants, but we would have dinosaurs instead
>>17011448Unless we killed them all.
>>17011454It would have played out like it did for us. A few left in Africa, complete extinction elsewhere.
https://x.com/ModJapan_jp/status/2073995395920024023chinese ballistic missile test over Japanese waters
>>17011481The NORKs do this all the time
Why don't we live here yet
>>17011488Too close, targeting the moons of Rigil Kentaurus b.
>>17011488Because we had to feed every third world country
>>17011488Aren't all of those planets tidally locked and way too close to each other?
>>17011240Big structures are so cool.
Flight 13 when?
>>17011448That isn't the point. His hypothesis is a creationist one. There were dinosaurs before humans (some creationists don't deny this), but then they were destroyed by God (typically they say due to one of the floods [there are multiple, see Genesis 1 vs Genesis 2]), and then God made man. He brings up the KT as the mechanism that allowed God to enable mammals to evolve into humans, and take out the dinosaurs at the same time. This is a narrow, but not unheard of explanation that some Christians give for how they reconcile certain problems with Biblical history versus evolutionary history. I don't have a problem with this when they take the stance that God used evolution as the mechanism, but I do have a problem when they do what he does in that video and attempts to conflate an extremely low chance event being impossible, and so God did it, and because it's only happened once it means that the likelihood of evolution being true becomes increasingly unlikely since you are stacking ever increasingly less likely occurrences. The problem starts with ignoring the timescales, and that there is no set speed to evolution, but he weirdly does the first and then incorrectly assumes the second. The Anon who keeps saying he doesn't do this is either also a evolutionary creationist (and is being dishonest about it for reason), or has never encountered Christian apologetics by way of someone in the scientific community or is a scientific communicator.
Funny thing I have realised, if Russia had just helped China with their rocket technology decades ago, rather than trying to stonewall them, China would already have reusable rockets and a mega-constellation years ago. Russia not having access to Starlink is fucking them hard in the ass, and the Chinese Starlink clone isn’t gonna to be ready until 2028, so the Ukraine war will have ended by then. This follows a pattern of Russia constantly cockblocking China’s quest to acquire advanced technology, which has backfired badly now that China is Russia only major ally left.
>>17011531didn't rushits launch their own starlink derivative a while back? I wonder how that turned out for them, haven't seen any news on it
>>17011506They're still aiming towards the end of July, but it seems more likely that it will happen in August.
From Jeff Faust:A few notes from a presentation by Blue Origin's John Couluris this afternoon at the Spacetide conference>Company budgeted 29 days for pad cleanup and evidence recovery at LC-36; completed it in 21 days.>By late 2027, expect to have new LC-36B pad in service; rebuilt LC-36A to be ready by end of this year.>Tests of Endurance (first Blue Moon Mk1 lander) almost done, launch now expected in Q1 2027.>Multiple Mk1 and Mk2 landers in production now; no slowdown after New Glenn explosion.
>>17011540Impressive. Will they manage to btfo the skeptics by doing it in time?
>>17011161>The lack of value is a result of it being unscientific. Unobjective, unempirical.Those don't sound like objective, empirical and scientific claims to me!
>>17011540>rebuilt LC-36A to be ready by end of this yearPraying to the God for some levity if Limp forces things to go far faster than they should, causing everyone to cut corners, and then the pad destroys itself on the first launch.
>>17011532They launched the first group of satellites last month, deploying 16 of the planned 288 sats. The company projected they'd reach full coverage in 2035, which tracks with Soyuz 2 launch rates.For a LEO constellation like this, the probability of being in view of a satellite at any given time i.e. usefulness will slowly go up as they launch more. For the moment it doesn't provide any meaningful capability, other than prestige and facebook one-liner material.
Put me in charge of ESA, put me in fucking charge of ESA and I promise you I will deliver the best of the best of the best in terms of results.Both the Americans and the Chinese will shit themselves for the great might of the European power, european feets on the fucking moon bitches.
>6-meter-wide 7-ton meteor over ohiois there a single real primary source confirming or credibly speculating on the mass and diameter of this object? or did this just get made the fuck up and spread all the way to mainstream media just because it's a funny meme
>>17011512Oh ok, I didn't realise he was that way inclined. I just think dinosaurs would be cooler than elephants.
>>17011547you won't do shit except attend meetings organized by committees regulated by laws made by bureaucrats controlled by politicians who know not and care not of space.
>>17011551It couldn't possibly be only 7 tons if it was 6 metres wide.
>>17011556Unfortunately this
>>17011503I'm curious if Pad 2's flame bucket will need something to spray the walls with water as they seemed scorched after the last flight. We will see if they make changes to Pad 1's.
>>17011562>>17011556The most powerful man in the ESA is the graphic artist who designs their PowerPoint presentations and trade show booth posters.
>>17011551It's 6 feet, not 6 meters, and surprisingly it is real.https://ares.jsc.nasa.gov/meteorite-falls/events/wadsworth-oh>The NASA Meteoroid Environment Office (MEO, NASA Marshall SFC) reports the parent asteroid as a ~2m wide, ~7 metric ton body originating in the inner asteroid belt.
>>17011503idk if the perspective is fucking with me, but imagine how big those shackles are
>>17011545This is the main reason why Russia keeps failing. They keep acting like they're a true superpower that can afford to throw billions willy nilly. Glonass ate up half of roscosmos bugdets for years and for what? A super shitty GPS clone, that the Russians don't even use them of the time, choosing to use beidou or GPS instead, because they're more accurate and jam resistant, and also because russians mostly use Western or Chinese semiconductors and electronics anyway. They should have just went with Beidou from the start and use the Glonass money for other projects. So many Russian wunderweapons programs solely aimed at wasting money for yachts when they could have just piggybacked off China.
OMG HOW COOL! JAPANESE ASTEROID PHOTO :o
>>17011587
>>17011587it's hard to tell if asteroid photos are color or not
they are not finishing it this year
>>17011587JAXA is infinitely more useful than the ESA
>>17011595Neat, thanks Hayabusa2
>>17011583>they could have just piggybacked off China.Glonass older project than Beidou, by about half a century that got scrapped in 90s (like all Russian wunderwaffle) And no, Russians could not piggybacked off China because Chinese electronic industry in early 2000s was only capable of making knock-off Gameboys
>>17011648Glonass has been having regular launches even in the 2010s and even had a launch last year. BeiDou was well under way in the early 2010s.
>you can make 24 billion a year just from renting out a couple of data centers lol? isn't that more than Starlink currently?
>>17011531>China would already have reusable rockets and a mega-constellation years agoIt's doubtful, no one in the world except SpaceX even bothered to develop reusable rockets. Even if China was on par with the USA on rocket technology they would still be far behind because (like everyone else) they didn't see the point of having reusable until five years ago.
>>17011665yes
>>17011685China's main challenge has been to develop good rocket engines, and that has put them decades and decades behind the rest of the world. Their first cryogenic rocket launch was in 2014, when the first F9 finally managed a landing, decades behind America/USSR/Russia's first cryogenic rockets. China was in a very bad spot actually, they had to usher in their next generation cryogenic long march rockets, while also having to rush towards reusable rockets at the same time. It massively slowed them down, having to juggle two parallel development programs, while their cryogenic engine technology was still having major teething issues. Russia on the other hand, had the some of the best rocket engine tech in the world. If Russia had shared with them the technology behind the RD-180 in the late 90s or early 2000s and China would have a lot more experience and had lots of experience with cryogenic rockets, they would have gotten the cryogenic Long March rockets out at least a decade earlier. They 100% would have gotten reusable rockets faster if that was the case, but by how much, who know? I'm guessing at least by a year or two, and vastly improved expendable rockets a decade before that, which would have been enough to put up a operational mega-constellation too, considering that China already has 300+ of them in orbit. >they didn't see the point of having reusable until five years ago.Nah, they 100% got how special SpaceX was as early as 2014. 2014 was the year that they changed the law to allow for private rocket companies to exist, they wanted their own SpaceX and reusable rockets as soon as the first F9 managed to land. The issue was that China was still struggling with their first cryogenic rockets, of course they couldn't develop reusable rockets at that time. Which is why you only really saw serious hardware development in the last 5 years, that was the point where cryogenic engines became mature enough for China to start serious development.
>>17011702China got RD-170 engines in the nineties from Ukraine.
>>17011706From what I can tell, this was just direct sales and whatnot. I'm talking about technology transfers, where Russian engineers would walk Chinese engineers though the manufacturing process and provide support. It's not easy to reserve engineer manufacturing process from the completed item. Russia has been selling RD-180s to America too, but it's not like America can magically know how to make them just because they bought a few dozen of them. Funny enough is that Russia actually offered to sell the manufacturing process of the RD-180 to America, but the offer wasn't made to China. It's a common theme in Russian sales to China. When Russia was selling jets to China, they knew that China would rip the thing apart, so they deliberately rigged the plane to alert them and to make it as hard as possible for China to dismantle the plane. They also required China to buy those fighter jets in large batches, instead of just a handful for reserve engineering, for more money. China has been trying to buy Russian tech transfers for decades now, Russia has refused most offers, despite the fact that everyone with a brain would expect China to eventually catch up even without Russian help, or that having a strong China was in Russia's best interest, when Russia cannot stop chimping out in regards to the West. Ukraine probably sold China more technology to China than Russia did. Putin is a fucking retard.
>>17011385I'm still disappointed that Trump didn't pull out a tactical nuke from the arsenal for the grand finale.
>>17011722>have super bomb>can't ever use super bomb>"otherwise other people might use their super bombs!"Fuckin' gay is what I call it
aint shit going on
>>17011615Don't embarrass yourself. Let us remember the great successes of JAXA:Hayabusa (1), which was supposed to get a good sample of an asteroid. The pellet gun to kick up dust didn't work, they got a few microscopic fragments (0.06 grams in total). Hence, why they built a second. Hayabusa 1 barely made it back to earth after most of its ion engines and reaction wheels failed. It also carried a microrover, but it accidentally yeeted it into the void. Akatsuki, which missed Venus due to a broken engine, the 6-month voyage took 5 years. Funny, but this wasn't the first time.JAXA launched Nozomi in 1998, supposed to be a Mars orbiter, but failed it's Earth-flyby maneuver (to get to Mars???) and never made it there. Failing to reach Mars and Venus is really something. It was around the same era when ESA launched twin probes Mars and Venus express, both of which somehow made it to orbit.
>>17011744Lol Japan shit is shit
>>17011747>>17011744To add on, Japan’s space program in general is lackluster. Sure now they’re struggling economically and can’t afford much today, but I expected them to have had a much more robust space program back in the 1980s, back when their economy and GDP was doing gangbusters. Weird that Japan had the world’s highest GDP per captia and 2nd largest GDP for decades and all they developed was a handful of medium lift rockets.
>>17011744>>17011615Their astronomy program is even more special.ASTRO-E was supposed to be a small next gen x-ray telescope with a novel superconducting spectrometer. Blew up at launch in 2000. Replaced by ASTRO-EII, Suzaku. Which made it to space. But there was a fault and the coolant for the spectrometer boiled off in just a week, no data. Suzaku was succeeded by Hitomi. Which they put into a death spiral. JAXA rebuilds Hitomi as XRISM (much descoped), with lots of monies from NASA. Finally, the spectrometer is in space, after 3 failed JAXA missions in a row. But what's this, oh noes. The cap in front of the dewar is stuck. Completely ruining the sensitivity at low energies, where the most interesting science is. Literally four consecutive fuck-ups, spread over 20 years. Hundreds of millions from JAXA and NASA.Thankfully ESA is building Athena, which is a much more powerful x-ray telescope with a spectrometer. XRISM is a toy by comparison.This constant incompetence has massively set their program back. Missions they spent decades planning have been abandoned (a Jupiter mission to compliment JUICE and Clipper, SPICA), because they have to keep rebuilding failed missions over and over. And they only have two active planetary missions, Hayabusa 2, and the little orbiter that ESA added to BepiColombo. Thanks big brother ESA!
>>17011747>March
Ok... So what is the next happening?
>>17011747
>>17011767
>Today, I am sharing a significant next step in my journey. This September, after 32 years of military service and 17 years as a Canadian Space Agency astronaut—culminating in the incredible privilege of flying around the Moon on Artemis II—I will be transitioning from my full-time role at the CSA.>This is far from a departure. My commitment to seeing Canada thrive remains absolute. To ensure continuity in this mission, the Royal Canadian Air Force is enabling my transition into a Reservist role. This unique position is a deliberate launchpad designed to leave the door open for creative, ongoing ways to support and enable the vital work happening in Canada with respect to space, and I’m excited for the new challenges it will bring.>Our future depends on a fierce continuation of Canadian innovation and exploration in space. The technological breakthroughs and economic benefits born from this sector are vital for our country and the world, and I am as determined as ever to push that work forward.>To the Canadian Armed Forces, the CSA, NASA, our international partners, and my family: thank you. And to all Canadians: thank you for believing in what our country can achieve when we aim high.>The mission continues.https://x.com/Astro_Jeremy/status/2074181856040452235
JDS?
>>17011769so he's soft retiring? is he going to work at spacex or vast or something?
>>17011768
>>17011777
imagine if dream chaser got funded instead of starliner
>>17011777>Japan to criminalize sex with children under 16 (2023)
Are we witnessing the birth of a new schizo?
>>17011782
>>17011776I don't think he's going to work for a U.S company.
>>17011788>MDA Space>Telesat>Kepler Communicationshis options are grim
Anything interesting happen since I last posted? >>17011182
>>17011615Landed on Titan bitch
If only it were bombs
https://x.com/SpaceXAI
>>17011807what's next? stargrok?
>>17011793thats not a long timenothing interesting has happened for weeks
>>17011807https://x.com/SpaceXAI/status/2074214064746832060
>>17011823Fuck this gay timeline.
>>17011823Yep, I don't care anymore. Mars is dead.
watch spacexai replace spacex entirely
>>17011830Hasn't xai already flushed more capital down the toilet than SpaceX has ever spent.
>>17011844Yes and it will continue to drain money out (at a tune of about $1 billion a month). And that exceeds even Starlink's total revenue
Do not touch the spaceballshttps://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/jul/05/mysterious-debris-found-on-queensland-beaches-could-be-space-balls-and-may-contain-toxic-rocket-fuel
>>17011844xAI brings in more money than any other part of the company right now, bud
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/2074252717959360968>CZ-10B is vertical at Pad 2 of Wengchang commercical LC. pic via Xiaohongshu
>>17011876that doesnt look reusable
>>17011872After a boatload of capital spending. If the master plan was profiting from compute shortages he could've done much better by just buying NVDA.
>>17011880no he couldn't, researchers want to use NVDAanything else is a pain relatively speaking
>>17011712Americans always act like Russia and China are natural allies just because they're both enemies, but in reality Russia and China are just as much in competition as Russia and the West, and for many of the same reasons. Even before the fall of the Soviet Union, Moscow saw the writing on the wall that China would eventually catch up and surpass them - hence the Sino-Soviet split - and they know that once that happens, it won't be their technology that China is after, but their land, workforce, and natural resources - especially in the east where their power projection is weak. Russia may look like idiots because they keep picking unwinnable fights and losing, but they're just doing the best they can with the very shitty geostrategic hand they were dealt.Even invading Ukraine was perfectly rational, because without the Ukrainian people, farmland, and oil, Moscow and its decaying industrial power are doomed. They continue to throw everything they have into seemingly impossible objectives because they're desperate, and their national survival is on the line. Similarly, any 10-year advance in Chinese technology is 10 fewer years before a new existential threat to Russia emerges, so it's worth anything to delay that as much as possible.
>>17011866No littering fine this time, I see.
>>17011747>>17011767>>17011768>>17011777>>17011779>gookshilling in /sfg/>>>/pol/
>>17011785It's a Korean. It's in their insectoid nature to spew this facebook-tier spam every single time Japan is mentioned, in the fashion typical of third-world nationalism based on generational tribal beef (see e.g. Greece and Turkey, the Balkans, Africa, etc).
SpaceXAI
>>17011808if you can grow human transplantable organs in orbit (micro gravity solves problems in creating fine vascilature without scaffold) then that is another pretty big market
>>17011829Mars is indeed a dead planet
>>17011829pussy ass bitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SEHWRxnyxI
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2074293740047364431
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/2074243929273250124>Our 17th Transporter rideshare mission is targeted to launch tomorrow from California and will deliver 81 payloads to orbithttps://www.spacex.com/launches/transporter17
>>17011947
no wc ball on the moon, oh well. isaacman's promise goes unanswered
>>17011895And in the end, look what happened, Russia still turned into a Chinese vassal state in the end. It’s pretty simple, China would have caught up eventually in technology anyway, the smart thing would have to have just sold China the technology while Russia still had the advantage and got a fuck ton of money or a trade in technology in return, instead of giving them the cold shoulder. Instead Russia got nothing, their technology advantage is gone and their biggest trading partner doesn’t have crucial technology like Starlink clone that could have helped Russia in their war . Russia isn’t a superpower, they cannot stand alone, either they play nice with Europe or throw in their lot with China. They basically screwed over both. Russia did sell the RD-180s to America and still willing to transfer the technology too, their foreign policy is just all kinds of retarded.
a tower and pad seems to be mostly done in cape canaveral and a second one is being stacked though the flame trench hasn't been fully dug out yet
>>17011959spaceflight enjoyers should go on a pilgrimage and bow to this, at least once in their lives.
>>17011959they have an ultrabay but no manufacturing plant? i guess all the ships will be made in starbase for now.
>>17011961>Russia isn’t a superpower, they cannot stand alone, either they play nice with Europe or throw in their lot with China.This is the inevitable conclusion, but as long as there's still a government in Moscow, it's going to want what's best for itself. They're going to play every card in their hand, shedding the outermost layers of their national survivability shell one by one: international trade, regional stability, demographics in the steppe hordelands, industrial and military capital, demographics in the city, possession of land, internal stability, and finally drastic measures that could be unrecoverable like becoming a vassal or territory. Russia may be screwed in the long-term for all intents and purposes, but the fight is far from over.Regarding the transfer of RD-180, of course helping the US wouldn't do either, but unlike China the US is a world away and not interested in conquering the steppes. It was an opporunity for quick forex cash that they knew they weren't going to get again. At any rate Soviet lostech is no longer the cutting edge, so nothing would have ended up mattering; helping ULA increase launch rates in the 2000s might have even decelerated the US space industry by hampering SpaceX in their early years.I find the more you learn about someone or something, the more it makes sense; and conversely, if you think a leader or whole government is "retarded," that means you know nothing about them.This applies to Musk and SpaceX too btw
>>17011895>Hurr durr I'm scared of China I better destroy my relations with the west and remove any hope of rapprochement by invading and terrorizing Ukraine
>>17011961> their foreign policy is just all kinds of retardedThe Russians have had issues with politics and economics basically forever. Everything else is basically fine or even good, but those two things always fuck them.
>>17011969The idea what China is gonna to invade when Russia has nukes is retarded as hell. Russia fucked up big time, even after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and ruined relationship with Europe, they still continued to treat China as an irrelevant junior partner, instead of their most important ally. You say that Russia has to play all their cards, but they really gave China the cold shoulder. They refused to sell China crucial technologies that would have upgraded China’s aerospace sector, they basically ignored China’s technological rise and refused to buy Chinese weapons, they refused to enter into joint weapons or scientific developments with China. Even in trade, they still continued to treat Europe as their most important trading partner, despite heavy sanctions and the future invasion plans. It was clear that Putin didn’t have a single backup plan after the 2022 fuck up basically closed off most of the global market to Russia and they suddenly realised that China was the only major economy willing to trade with them, and that their land routes to China were outdated pieces of poorly maintained trash. They spend a lot of money and effort to upgrade their transport infrastructure going into China after the invasion, and to replace a lot of their sanctioned western industrial and commercial technology with Chinese versions after the invasion. When they were already struggling with the war and the economy. Even if Russia did take Ukraine in 3 days, the sanctions would still have been put into place. If Putin wasn’t so retarded, he would have already started to pivot to China before the invasion, instead of having to retool their trade routes and industry while also having to deal with the war at the same time. >>17011973Reminder that Russia was a big piece of what caused Musk to create SpaceX. So they basically helped to create Starlink, which is the biggest asset in Ukraine right now.
>>17011972They should be scared of China, much more than they should be scared of toothless Europe and disinterested America.
goodnight /sfg/.
>>17011858>$1 billion a monthThat's nothing now doe
>>17011967I mean, booster reuse is solved already and should be even easier with V3. Making enough upper stages for both launch sites should be possible.
>>17011962>flame trench hasn't been fully dug out yetTakes a lot longer than the tower if Starbase pad B is any indication.
>>17011967Pretty sure the CC starfactory is already built
>>17011807>>17011823>still no Grok 4.5 or Composer 3
>>17012024uhh thats stargrok and starcomposer to you
Transporter 17 is going up
>>17012025At least Starmind is kind of a cool name.
Booster static fire soon
>>17012085source
>>17012086
>>17012087About fucking time.
>>17012085They aiming for orbit or is that too high of a bar?
>>17012092not risking orbit until they get a successful in-space relight with V3
This is Gyromitra esculenta. It contains forbidden knowledge about rocketry. When ingested its gyromitrin toxin metobolizes into monomethylhydrazine revealing secrets.
>>17012092It will orbit but like on the other flights the orbit will intersect the earth's surface.
>>17012092I think it's clamped down for this one
>>17012107Several types of mushroom grant limited access to the Akashic Record
>>17012107This is Cladosporium sphaerospermum, first discovered by Ukrainian nuclear scientists thriving deep inside the ruined Unit Four reactor at the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant. They have properties that allow them to absorb ionizing gamma radiation and convert it into energy through a process similar to plant photosynthesis. NASA is investigating this phenomenon, now called radiosynthesis, which could eventually be harnessed to serve as a lightweight, organic radiation shield to protect astronauts from cosmic rays in space.
>>17012182>arrive at a new star system>first look the ayys get is of a mold-covered starship
moldship
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/2074483363654627426seems like there are going to be 100k gen3 starlink sats
>>17012260https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2074502917906649357>SpaceX has officially requested FCC approval to launch and operate a third-generation satellite constellation of 100,000 satellites, designed to power human connectivity and AI-fueled progress.>"The artificial intelligence revolution promises a supersonic tsunami of progress with the capability to deliver transformative prosperity to billions and carry the light of human consciousness far into the future. The Gen3 system will include 100,000 satellites operating in very-low-Earth-orbit to deliver extremely low-latency and multi-gigabit symmetrical throughput for consumers, enterprises, and government users and billions of Al-powered devices around the world. To achieve this ambitious goal, the Gen3 system will put new spectrum and sharing frameworks to work for American consumers. Al requires massive uplink capacity to support high-definition.">The Gen3 system will consist of 100,000 satellites, configured in two bands of thin, closely stacked operational shells with nominal altitudes between 323 and 327.5 kilometers and 473 and 477.5 kilometers. SpaceX seeks flexibility to operate its Gen3 system with inclinations ranging from 26 degrees to 96.9 degrees (sun-synchronous orbit) to optimize coverage consistent with evolving demand.>This new filing is separate from SpaceX's previous application to operate a constellation of up to 1 million AI satellites. They are two distinct constellations.https://fccprod.servicenowservices.com/ibfs?id=ibfs_application_summary&number=SAT-LOA-20260630-00264
>>17011972>reddit reddit I'm just going to let my people be killed by globohomoUkraine was already dead before Russia even stepped foot in there
>>17011949>SpaceX needs adsThat's depressing
>>17012267you been sleeping under a rock?they just went public and acquired a massive cash drain. What do you think is gonna happen next?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz93L728Ds4
>>17012262>inclinations ranging from 26 degrees to 96.9 degrees (sun-synchronous orbit)So this is just starlink for the AI satellites?
>>17012271no this is next gen starlink in general, some will support the AI satellites specifically
>>17012268xAI is probably cash flow positive with the rental agreements now
>>17012274>>>>probably
>>17012276you are going to have earnings coming out every 3 months, so no we just have to wait
>>17012254Starmold
>>170122621 million satellites by 2030, eh, elon? LMAOOOO
>>17012323Elon is trying to block sunlight to solve global warming
>>17012262how much bandwidth is that?
https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt>SPACEX STARSHIP FLT 13, STARBASE, TX>PRIMARY: 07/14/26 2245Z-0056Z>BACKUP: 07/15/26 2245Z-0056Z
>>17012343this is the fastest that i can remember. 27 launches in 2027 might be happening.
>>17012343>Ship static fire NET July 8th>Booster Static Fire NET July 9th>Flight 12 was 10 days after the first NET (May 12 --> launch May 22)
Seriously hope you guys didn't fall for the commercial Starship payloads before 2032 meme
>>17012349why's powder think spacex wont have enough starships for another 8 years?
>>17012352because they will be launching a lot of starlinks and starmind satellites1.1mil with the current plans, something like 30-60 sats per starship perhapswhich would be something like 18-36k launcheslets say 25k launcheshow long will 25k launches take?its going to take a while to ramp up the production, ramp the actual cadence of the starships to make them rapidly reusable and build the new towers
>>17012352opportunity cost
>>17012349They would need to make a new payload door too.
>>17012369One that hopefully doesn't fuck the structural integrity of the ship.
>game about rocketry and spaceflight>"hey it would be cool if there was a short cinematic intro fast-forwarding through the stages of human history that led to this point">list is obviously mostly western-centric because it was the western enlightenment that allowed for and directly led to rocketry and spaceflight, but there are egyptian and middle-eastern picks on there as well since they are an early part of history>"umm, guys? the ratio of whites to browns here is a bit too high for my comfort. please can you make it a bit more inclusive? for example, the zugubugu culture in subsaharan africa deserves a mention even though they contributed nothing to anything"Why the fuck are trannies like that?
>>17012390I don't know, discordtranny, why are you?
>>17012182>>17012194>>17012254>>17012301https://youtu.be/YcwRiiPIzIY
>>17012390is that the dev or some random tranny?
>>17011481implessive
>>17012396Some random tranny
>>17012398a random tranny being a retard isn't noteworthy
>>17012343The NSF Brit with the weird hair said it won't happen that early.
>>17012407They just PISS me the FUCK OFF though. Why are retards allowed to speak?
>>17011481-tier shit
>>17012390why don't you just say that there and stop being a coward?
>>17012414energy is literally free in space, grab as much as you want
>>17012482banned for racismaccount reported and permabanneduser doxxed and fired from job
>RKLB got JUSTed againlol
aint shit goin on
>>17012498StarlinkX is going to launch another Starlink batch soon.
>>17012349why is finding the price of a launch so hard for people to understand? yeah, for the right price you could expend starships to put shit up right nowspacex has demonstrated that it can induce its own demand to set a base level price for launch and give an internal desire to drive that price as low as it can possibly beanyone betting against starship will be exposed as a retard in the next 3-5 yearssimilarly for orbital datacenters
>>17012505Can't read award.
>>17012505he isn't betting against starship, he is working at the company founded by employee 1. of SpaceX and is like employee 10. himselfwhat he is saying is that the self-induced demand of SpaceX is going to be so high in the near future that SpaceX has no reason to start lowering the external launch costs for customers on Starship, they would just be leaving money on the table compared to launching their own payloadsits going to take competition and/or SpaceX saturating their own demand with massive amounts of launch capacity and then actually hit demand limits on the launch market such that it would make sense for them to decrease prices for more demandright now the launch market is capacity limited, SpaceX has been increasing their prices and not lowering themand I mean with how much money starlink and starmind is going to make, it might not actually make sense for them to launch any customer payloads at allbut they will probably do that just because its good for the space economy and the ultimate goal of SpaceX is to basically build that space economy (you could say its kind of necessary to make life multiplanetary)but they don't have to do that on the short term and certainly don't have to start driving prices down drastically on the short term even if the internal prices for them would plummetlike someone else already said, doing that would have a pretty big opportunity cost
the information reports that SpaceXAI/Cursor new model is coming out tomorrow, Musk said it would be Claude Opus level
>>17012526>SpaceXAI/Cursor new modelThe model Cursor is going to release and the model that SXAI is going to release aren't the same.>Musk said it would be Claude Opus levelHe said it could be below it, too.
>>17012526whatever, i dont care. just get the money already so we can focus on colonizing mars.
>>17012529sure, and he didn't specify which opus (4.5 or 4.8 etc) but you would think he meant 4.8
>>17012531Colonizing Mars?
>>17012535subscribe to what
>>17012524>its going to take competitionI'm still thinking about whether or not it's worth lowering prices to deal with competition versus just ditching much of the commercial launch market. I suppose they'd have to consider (they probably already have) if they should be suppressing other launch companies by eating up missions that they could use to get money/cadence and if that's worth the opportunity cost.
>>17012540It's about the weather channel
>>17012349>>17012505Obviously the president of a SpaceX competitor isn't going to make a fair and unbiased public assessment on whether Starship will annihilate his business or not. Without even going into the details it's obvious he's engaging in motivated reasoning and should not be taken at face value.
>>17012544if orbital datacenters actually work, none of that is going to matterlaunch companies are going to get money thrown at themorbital datacenters don't need to compete for spectrum and the need for inference won't be saturated like the need for connectivity will be (at least until the data going up and down into the orbital datacenters themselves becomes a bottleneck, but I think there are already some research or actual tech looking at how to use laserlinks as a datalink from orbit to earth which doesn't have any spectrum regulation)but that is probably pretty far away and won't effect the money being thrown at orbital datacenters in any case after they have been shown to work
>>17012549>a SpaceX competitorfucking retardhow do you people breath
>>17012549Impulse space is not a direct competitor, at least not until spacex develops a kickstage themselvesI guess you could say they are competing somewhat with direct insertion, but most of that requires expending F9 stages or using Falcon Heavy and I don't think SpaceX really wants to do that too much, FH basically exists because the defense industry wanted it if I remember correctly and Musk wanted to cancel it alltogether
>>17012555>>17012559>at least not until spacex develops a kickstage themselvesThat's what Starship orbital refueling is. Their best realistic hope is that Starship either doesn't get orbital refueling or doesn't get a big payload door any time soon. That would leave them (and whatever conventional LEO launcher they can ride on) a niche: putting large satellites in extreme orbits, like interplanetary probes and GEO hugesats.The idea that Starship won't do commercial payloads at all is pure copium, and serves as a buffer for the real, more complex arguments to be had about what markets it will or will not utterly consume.
im worried about helium
>>17012349>Why would you sell a thing you don't have enough of for yourself, at a bargain-basement price, to your competitors?Because your internal usage depends on Starlink and AI demand scaling, satellite production, internal schedules and deadlines, and is based on future revenue forecasts and lending; rather than the immediate cash payments you can get for commercial launches.Because what is considered a bargain-basement price to your competitors is still well within your envelope with plenty of margin, thanks to your superior technology and scale.Because you aren't launching for your competitors (other launch providers and LEO constellations), the opposite is true: eating up as much of the commercial launch market as possible both stifles competing launchers AND makes it harder for them to launch competing constellations, actively protecting your broad-spectrum market dominance.Most Starship launches will be Starlink and maybe AI sats, but SpaceX would be idiots not to also put commercial payloads on it. Shotwell has said they plan to transition fully from F9 to Starship once it's fully operational, and this is the obvious best course of action: F9 is still THE dominant launcher in the world, and Starship does (almost) everything it does but better and cheaper. To not commercialize Starship, whether sticking with F9 or not, would be an abdication of the commercial launch market at a time when they're poised to absolutely devour it, and a forfeit of a massive revenue stream for literally no reason.>>17012571Technology gates like orbital refueling and larger payload doors are obvious next steps to capture other markets, and we should expect SpaceX to open them if and when they feel it's necessary or prudent, i.e. at some point rather than never.
>>17012571starship will do commercial payloads eventually, but due to its size, its going to be either constellations or rideshare and then rideshare with basically an expendable starship into a GEO orbitI don't think SpaceX would want to do that, getting a starship back from GEO would be a pain in the asshowever kickstages or space tugs that go back and forth and then get refueled by starship is the niche that Impulse Space is aiming fora expendable mission to GEO would be extremely expensive with a starship (relatively speaking) but I guess we will see what happenskind of goes against the fully and rapidly reusable thing though
>>17012526https://archive.is/REsCd
>>17012524>the self-induced demand of SpaceX is going to be so high in the near future that SpaceX has no reason to start lowering the external launch costs for customers on Starshipnothe self-induced demand INHERENTLY lowers external launch costsin fact the internal demand is so great that external costs will likely be even lower than f9
>>17012587this nigga thinks cost is price lmaooo
>>17012587no it doesn't, if they let the market decide its simply about outside demand vs supply and if SpaceX internal demand eats all the supply there won't be any supply left for the outside demand, hence the supply could still easily be less than the demand on the outside marketwhich would mean there would be no reason for SpaceX to lower the pricein fact as long as the price is less than what SpaceX expects to get from Starlink and starmind and SpaceX is supply limited for themselves as well, it doesn't make sense for them to provide any customer launches at allthey might do some demo missions for customers that are willing to make their satellites in the same flatpack form factor but like I said here >>17012362SpaceX is going to need a lot of launcheshow long will it take to launch 25000 times with Starship?25 per year isn't going to cut it
SpaceX's demand for Starlink launches reduced the price of F9, didn't it? oh
>>17012593prices went down, but competition is still needed to drive the costs down even further
>>17012598>prices went downF9's price has only went up.
>>17012593>>17012598F9 actually increased its pricethe internal cost went down, the price actually went up
>>17012605Yeah, I was being facetious.
what all this means is that as long as blue origin, rocketlab, relativity etc get their rockets actually working, there should be a market for them even with starship existing, maybe for long enough for them to try to develop a competitor to Starship (if Orbital datacenters work there should be enough investment interest)
SpaceX just doubled its Starlink Business Aviation monthly priceshttps://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2074640012004520231
>>17012617inflation is tearing this country apart. we're going to be argentina soon.
>>17012580>a expendable mission to GEO would be extremely expensive with a starship (relatively speaking)Which is cheaper: refueling an orbital starship enough to get to GEO with payload and back to LEO empty, or expending a kick stage with comparable payload capacity? I could see it going either way.
>>17012634or you could refuel a smaller kickstage-like tug instead of a full starship
>>17012647I imagine we'll see a lot of mission-specialized starship variants in the coming decades, if deep-space missions prove to be an area of interest: no heat shield or fins, jettisonable fairing, fewer atmo/gimbal engines, active prop cooling, to name a few obvious improvements.
>>17012605>What is inflation for $500 Alex?
>>17012658cost went down, price went up, meaning that margins actually grewthis isn't just about inflation, its due to more demand than supply and no competition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XlXritWnjY>Florida's Space Race is Heating Up | Space Coast Update
>>17012577>and Starship does (almost) everything it does but better and cheaper.source?
Booster 20 static fire before or after Flight 13?
>>17012726Makes more sense to do it after.
>>17012658Still waiting on a relevant post.
https://x.com/sourceryy/status/2074530632106127536?s=20
>>17012704same source as all starship info: reasonable speculation
AVI LOEB: Hayabusa2 approached a derelict spacecraft!https://futurism.com/space/paper-asteroid-japan-probe-derelict-spacecraft
>>17012824>https://futurism.com
>>17012824> (((avi loeb)))
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/08/business/dealbook/bezos-funding-blue-origin.html
>>17012860>But the company is now raising outside capital for the first time — $10 billion at a $130 billion valuation excluding the new funds — DealBook has learned. It’s a sign of the accelerating space race and investors’ appetite to fund Blue Origin’s ambitions as it seeks to compete with SpaceX, which sits on billions that it raised in its I.P.O. last month.>The round: Coatue Management, a big asset manager, is expected to lead with a $4 billion commitment, DealBook understands. (Bezos’ family office is a major investor in Coatue’s Innovative Strategies Fund, which is focused on emerging-technology start-ups.)>Bezos himself is set to contribute an additional $2 billion to the Blue Origin round. The other $4 billion is expected to come from large institutional investors.
>>17012343Oh sweet, I have a doctors appointment that day so I'll be home early to watch it.
>>17012860IPO when?
Any predictions for Flight 13?
STAGING >>17012875>>17012875>>17012875
>>17012860Reminder that BO employees do not get stock options.
