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Tonight:
Rennes - OM (8.45pm CET)

Saturday 16/08:

5pm CET
Lens - OL

7pm CET
Monaco - Le Havre

9.pm CET
Nice - Toulouse

Sunday 17/08:

5.15pm CET
SCO Angers - Paris FC
Auxerre - Lorient
FC Metz - RC Strasbourg (DERBY)

MAIN EVENT, 8.45pm CET
FC Nantes - PSG
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Digits and Merdeseille loses
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>Water breaks
This generation is fucking soft I swear.
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KWAB, already a red
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Aller Rennes
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>>150241753
> He's triggered by the view of someone drinking water

KWAPAB
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>>150241753
Is warranted
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>>150242139
whatever, back then people didn't stop the game to drink at 35+. And they were still in top condition.
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>>150242353
Geez, Bordeaux is an oven.
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>>150242681
It was toasty last month when I was there. I think I’d like to be there if I move to France, more similar to southern USA
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>>150242353
I saw a video on social medias about an angry banlieusard complaining about the lack of trees in his city. He took the temperature and the device genuinely shown a 62 degree temperature on the ground. It's much hotter than on what's shown on that map.
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Forgot how /comfy/ ligue huh could be desu.
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LMAOOOOOOOOOO
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KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB
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AHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA OMERDE

IT IS STARTING ALREADY
IT IS ALREADY OVER AHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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FUUUUUUCK ALMOST
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Marseille never fails to entertain us kek
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Ces marseillais de merde vont encore humilié la France en ligue des champions
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We should unironically create a /mug/ - marseille united general because this is plain pathetic at this point holy shit.
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OH NONBONONONONOON
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It's sad that besides PSG no club is serious. If Les Sardines are the best we can do, we're cooked in Europe.
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>>150242353
Holy shit.
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What can we expect from it?
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OL is far more serious than OMerde
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HERE WE GO AGAIN LMAO
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>>150261486
they're not clowns. they're the entire circus.
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Sunday morning bump.
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honestly can't wait for Paris FC to play
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i hope pogba and giroud have a good season
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>>150279557
call me delusional, but Giroud and Pogba, still could play with the NT. If Thuram and Congo-Mali can still get called up after scoring fuck all, why can't Giroud come back? As for Pogba, our midfield is trash so he could easily mog.
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Ile de France is so piss easy for having a club... look at this shit
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>>150242681
Always has been, I remember a few 42 days when I was studying there
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>>150279964
i thought it was only around Bayonne/Anglet and around the 40/64 where you could find those temps. genuinely never figured Bordeaux would be that hot as well
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Hello Lyon fans, how is Tolisso doing? Still one of my favorite players
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>>150279638
>call me delusional, but Giroud and Pogba, still could play with the NT
We all know that's what Deschamps thinks, so I'm not surprised
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>>150280401
Giroud retired though, Pogba is still available, but it would be more difficult to bring Giroud back.
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Giroo actually did it, the mad man
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they filled an appeal!!
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Giroud is eternal desu
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This is the indisputable proof that MLS > Ligue 1
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Soon
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>>150283684
Based
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PFC stream link pls?
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GOL GOL GOL GOL GOL LE PAUL
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>>150283827
cracksports me
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>>150283851
Thanks King.
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Fuggg Angers scored
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>>150283684
as a psg supporter I don't know how to deal with them.
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>>150283989
Hate them. If you know the history of the club, PFC tried to erase st Germain's identity when they formed the first PSG prior to the divorce. They're not your direct rival yet, but should.
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Nice save
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Fuck sake the Anger goalie is playing the match of his life.
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Holy murderball
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>Losing to relegation candidate Angers

WELCOME TO LIGUE 1 PFC, THE LESSON IS HARD AS I CAN SEE LMAO
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the dragon was 90% of their power
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Look at all these 1-0,Ligue 1 is clearly back
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i don't know who's the bigger KWAB of the week between PFC and OM desu
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>>150286774
based ligue 1-0
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>>150286825
are you serious? Omerde of course lmao.
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>>150286672
what baffles me is how their ultra didn't pressure the club to get the Graoully back. Bordeaux immediately got their logo back after 1 season.
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>>150286825
still Marseille
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gib stream pls
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>>150288812
It's literally free on Ligue 1+
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What kind of C team is that?
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>>150288837
pourquoi c'est gratuit?
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Nantes playing with a 17-year-old centre back with no first team experience.
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> Hernandez / Zabarnyi / Beraldo / Zaïre-Emery
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How is PSG refusing for some reason to buy a backup right back is literally insane.
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>>150289080
mercato ain't over
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>>150288949
So you can keep on believing in our lord and savior Vincent Labrune
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>>150289126
it's a good trick, football should be free the first month, to hook you to it.
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>>150289146
I just checked the link and it isn't free?
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>>150289183
it's free here, you need an account tho
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>>150289220
Okay, thank you.
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>>150289260
Hope you have a VPN because it's probably going to be geoblocked
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>>150289296
Yeah, nah, I'll just sit this one out. Thanks for posting about the free link though.
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>>150287647
they are trumptard christfags
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>>150288949
noone has bought the rights to the league
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Literally tiki-taka
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>>150289335
c'est fini
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oh shit
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Holy shit almost pulled off a perfect Pauleta
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why dont nantes just accept their fate and get relegated without playing?
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>>150289546
they might still finish above marseille
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riddle me this anons, if it is free, whay do they sell subscriptions?
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>psg players near the box
>commentators are mute
>nantes players near the box
>commentators are hyped

it's all so tiresome
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>>150289594
Its just that one game that is free, c'mon man you're smarter than this.
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>>150289633
typical delusional piss shit gay supporter
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>>150289643
greek anon told me it's because they didn't sell the rights. I believed him
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What happened to polishbro?
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>>150289677
switched to paris fc
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>sign two 6'7+ strikers regardless of ability
>kick the ball directly into the air as hard as possible
>rush everyone including strikers into box
>wait for ball to come down vertically
>score a goal or win a penalty
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>>150289690
>>150289677
no way wtf?
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>>150289663
noone outside bein has bought french league yet its true
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>>150289272
>>150289335
>>150289379
the thing is... dissolve the DNCG. It's really that simple. Those fuckers are keeping french football down. There's no DNCG like companies in England, Germany or Spain.
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>>150289774
this is pure socialism, debt is freedom.
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>>150289677
They moved to France, there was a thread he made like two months ago
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>>150289828
but then, i get the fact that when you owe money you should be able recover your debts, it's just that in this country, when it comes to debts and lending money, it's like we're as insufferable as the Swiss or the... whatever, DNCG should be more lenient toward professional clubs, especially the historic ones or playing in strategically big market cities like Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Bordeaux, Lille, Strasbourg or Nantes. It's just common sense,
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With the whole Total 90 comeback, i like how Nike is actively trying to bring 2000s design to their jerseys.
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i dunno why, but i feel like PSG will win the KWAB of the week.
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I remember when this league was Lyon 1
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>>150289774
>>150290005

> "Yes, it's a good thing to let clubs go berserk and do whatever the fuck they want, like plan for a 100M+ budget when they only actually generate 20M of revenue, we want a league entirely built on speculation, smoke and mirrors"
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Nantes to take away anything from a 3-3, but I am not a big fan of Lille Brest. I like them bigger tbqh.
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>wins a trophy
>kwab of the week
ah yes
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>>150290099
and it's okay when Barcelona does it? look at them now. Spain trusted the process when they were indebted and now are doing great.
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>>150290099
right now that would be stupid but that's because the league isn't guaranted to grow like some other league, and that is because of the huge taxes that have always prevented any business model from flourishing.
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>>150290075
i remember nantes in the champions league
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AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 1 0 PSG
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AHAHAHAHHAHAHA SEETHE ABPSG

SEETHE NOW
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there they go fucking hell.
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gg, title won
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>>150290643
HOWEVER
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>>150290643
Now that we know who will be champion, who will be 2nd ?
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>>150290674
paris fc
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Kvara looks fat
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God I fucking love our league being budget Bundesliga. Except instead of our big club being big because of smart dealings snowballing over decades, it's because an oil state wanted soft power and PSG was the best deal available.

Not helped by the fact only an oil state can afford to pay stupidly high taxes and stay competitive on the market.
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we're shit but nantes are worse
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>>150290884
All PSG players will be toast when the WC comes next year
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>Nantes fans "Parisians are all Marseillais"
What do they mean by that ?
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kek nice shot dumbélé
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>>150290963
Nantais have a huge inferiority complex because their city will be forever mid.
Nobody really care about Nantes
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>>150290963
hidden way to say that parisians are faggots.
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IT'S OVER,
7TH 1-0 IN THE 1ST DAY
PSG ALREADY CHAMPIONS
LIGUE 1 IS DEFINITELY BACK
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so... let's vote for the KWAB of the week, shouldn't be a surprise but still:
https://poal.me/m89xln
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https://poal.me/m89xln
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oh dear.
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>>150291170
this is why I'm against paris fc in ligue 1, marseille rats are able to bully fellow parisians.
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What is life like outside of Paris?

Does anybody take non-Parisians seriously?

What is the second city, in terms of influence and culture?
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>>150291304
That would be Marseille, nobody knows anything about Lyon nor gives a fuck.
Everybody knows some factoids about Marseille, the sea, the accent, the pastis, the Southern culture...
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>>150291304
When international people go to Paris on holidays, we go out of Paris region. Best way to enjoy the country
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>>150291304
lyon is a little paris, pros and cons.
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>>150291010
Good, hope it stays that way
foreigners and particularly parichiens OUT
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THIS IS WHY NANTES LOST, WE ALL KNOW IT
PALOIS BACK !!!!!!!!!
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>>150291725
lmao Parisians have been treating Nantes like Montreuil
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>>150291807
I don't know what that means but a high speed train line to Paris is a curse I don't wish on anyone
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>>150291995
That's what I meant lol
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>>150291252
unless they lose
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>>150291304
Marseille is for Paris here what Manchester is for London in your country. Lyon would be the third wheel like I assume Liverpool is in England
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>>150254786
some meme players, as usual.
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bump
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LMAO KEK LOL ROFL
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>>150289677
I'm living in France now lol but my data provider is banned on 4chins so I don't post much unless I have like McDonalds wifi like now. Don't believe these anons saying I switched. ici est Paris! Dunno if you saw but I watched the CWC final at Parc des princes btw I've been busy hooking up with a paki refugee not sure if that matters
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Some club, any club, please buy him… I’m begging…
He scored 11 goals last season, proving he can perform good in Ligue 1.
With the World Cup coming next year, staying in the second division will get him left out of the national team.
That would be far too cruel…
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>>150314527
>I've been busy hooking up with a paki refugee
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Marseille is cooked LMAO
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>>150314894
he could give his ass for Paris FC
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>>150314894
>Keito-Nakamura
just send him to one of the yakuza owned teams in belgium
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>>150241390
How are we feeling Metzbros?
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>>150313478
This retard managed to get himself persona non grata in BOTH PSG and OM. Impressive feat if I've ever seen one. Good question is which retard is willing to buy him?
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>>150324583
hopefully optimistic of keeping the record of immediate relegation going
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>>150313478
This guy is actually cancer. How many players has he bought and sold since taking over last year.
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BREAKING NEWS : WHAT REALLY HAPPENED
https://youtu.be/eJxIeVFthS4
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>>150328010
can Molina really be trusted? what are his sources?
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>>150328282
His version is quite similar with L'Equipe's premium article
https://youtu.be/cnrkmjgru5U
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>>150242967
no shit sherlock holy shit what a fucking retard
temperatures are always mesured in the shade, ofc it's gonna be way worse in the sun / on the asphalt / in your car or your unwashed spunked STD-ridden hairy asshole
imagine not understanding the weather forecast
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>>150328010
>rabiot a shit head no matter what
>17 year old fainted at the sight of a fight
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>>150313478
how can one guy be so problematic?
And i genuinely thought he matured for the past few years
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>>150328010
why is this autist so dramatic?
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KEK,I hate that whore so much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_Y3LEqqPFE
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Friday 22/08
9.pm CET
PSG - Angers

Saturday 23/08

5.pm CET
Marseille - Paris FC
7.pm CET
Nice - Auxerre
9.pm CET
OL-Metz

Sunday 24/08

3.pm CET
Lorient - Rennes
5.pm CET
Strasbourg Nantes
Toulouse - Brest
Le Havre - Lens

MAIN EVENT, 8.45 CET
LOSC - Monaco
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Finally the good ol Dembele we know is back
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If someone has a stream
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is going to be another boring 1-0?
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hahaha piss shit gay have fallen
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>>150357091
Hahaha, ta mère la pute
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Stream pls
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>>150357122
cracksports me
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>>150357128
Hmm, thanks Greek bro
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going to sleep
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>>150357465
G'night
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And there you go, another /comfy/ W. I don't think they'll score again...
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>>150357520
Imagine a season like this : 38 1-0 victories with 80% possession kek
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>Bayern drops 6 in their sleep
>Pussified Sexless Gays can't even score more than 1 goal a match
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>>150357829
Horse jump etc...
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WHAT AN ATMOSPHERE !!!!!!
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can't wait for PFC OM, this is going to be funny
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>>150359852
i want them to beat OMerde so the team could implode.
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>>150324734
WELCOME TO THE TURKISH SUPER LIG
>>150357520
I'm just glad that >we only got one (1) goal scored on us.
First half of the yearly humiliation ritual went better than expected.
Next step : not get 3-0'd by Monaco. I'm not holding my breath.
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>>150365900
Not gonna lie Paris FC winning would make a statement in the league, like they're not here to distribute points to every teams, but seriously looking to become a solid, permanent ligue 1 club.
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>>150369836
They have +100M€ as transfert budget, they're supposed to stay in ligue 1
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>>150369836
If you lose to SCO, you're not beating OMerde. Even if the squad is in turmoil (read : all the time)
Don't get me wrong, I would love nothing more than seeing it happen. But it's unfortunately not very realistic.
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THE LITTLE CLASSIQUE
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awww it's cute.
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>abaggyman
>2025
what is even the point of this league?
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>>150371258
Geubbels joue déjà, à peine arrivé? damn
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HOLY SHIT almost kek
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reminder this is a more historic le classique than the one agains piss shit gay
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Paris FC needs to change logo badly.
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of course...
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>>150371266
I'd rather be drinking beer in Rodez with a permadrunk 100+kg 85% bodyfat aveyronnais than dealing with OM.
Sometimes I kinda wish to get relegated again so we can play in wacky asymetrical stadiums in cheaper cities instead of losing all the time and staying up on draws.
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era? lol
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ERA FFS
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LMAO ofc its a pen
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>screaming of joy beating PFC
just for that, this deserves a second KWAB of the week.
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YOU RETARD YOU HAD ONE JOB
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>Red Star beating EAG 0-4
Are you ready for a three-way Paris derby in Ligue 1 next season?
>if only
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c'est fini.
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>>150371542
C'EST JAMAIS FINI
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CONCEDING A GOAL AGAINST PFC IS ALREADY A HUMILIATION
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if it wasnt for metz paris would be relegated this season
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>>150371387
>I'd rather enjoy the comfy south than go anywhere near the worst city in the entire country
well duh
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if Marseille draws, they win KWAB of the week.
if Marseille loses, they win KWAB of the month
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>>150371943
If they win?
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Someone explain why OM fans are ok with PFC, I thought they hated Paris as a city, not only as a club.
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>>150372175
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>>150372227
see >>150371266
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MOSES MOSES MOSES MOSES MOSES
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KWAB in progress
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KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB KWAB
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that was all the goalkeepers fault
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> Now every year Marseille is going to get mogged by PSG AND PFC
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I KNEW IT.
I FUCKING KNEW IT.
SHOULD'VE BET ON THAT SHIT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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MDR QUELLE SALOPE DE LA SEMAINE
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Nkambadio unironically deserves better defenders. I thought he was a meme but he's actually legit.
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Friendly reminder that these fuckers are playing the UCL this year, and like always they'll completely ruin out UEFA ranking
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>>150372414
Marseille is in UCL????
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ALMOST
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>jeronimo rulli
>a baggy man
>hojberg
are marseille trying to build a 2015 dream team?
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GO FUCK YOURSELF PFC WTF WAS THAT
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baka
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Get fucked parisians
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ALLEZ VOUS FAIRE ENCULER LE PFC PUTAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN
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well it's truly over now... fugg
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AYAAAAAAAAAAAAA THERE'S NO PEN MOTHERFUCKER
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PFC is collapsing. I'm gonna play vidya. I've seen enough
See ya later.
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HAHAHA VA TE FAIREENCULER GREENWOOD
BALL DON'T LIE
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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VOS MERES LES MARSEILLAIS PUTAIN JE SUIS DEG
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Bruh, Nice's GK did 2 crazy saves
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I swear Auxerre can win this game
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Fuck Auxerre, just minutes after I trusted them
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Auxerre just had a crazy chance to score
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>>150374195
both have absolutely nothing to play for in this league pure mid table fodder
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RED CARD FOR AUXERRE'S GK
THAT TACKLE LMAO
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>>150373294
too harsh on Nkambadio, Defense is ass.
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why is there a delay was there a chimpout?
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>lyon plays
>thread dies
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I'd watch it but I don't have any working stream desu
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>>150378136
cracksports me
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>>150378331
Yeah I've tried but they don't appear even after disabling adblock. Oh well
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>>150378475
use chrome
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>>150378546
yeah no
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>>150378595
you just download it and use it whenver you wanna watch a stream same with opera browser
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>>150377896
to be fair, Marseille PSG (and now PFC cause Paris) draws the most.
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>hire shitters
>win
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>top of the league
Are >we /elite/ again?
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>>150379153
our league depends on Paris (PSG), Marseille and Lyon performing well. They're the biggest markets of the country so whenever they do well, the league is doing well, so i for one, is glad those faggot are starting well.
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>>150379740
>le big city must always win!
cuck behavior, fuck off. go watch amerishart sports if you think like that
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Le Havre chads are we saving ourselves on a 12€ budget again?
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katseris will win this
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WTF WTF WTF WTF
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TWO RED CARDS FOR RENNES LMAO
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AYAAAAAAAAAA RENNES HAS SOME CRAZY CHANCES WITH 2 RED CARDS KEK
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yep, Rennes is the KWAB of the week, got to be.
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>>150392295
No∙Toulouse is a city of rugby !!!
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i'm kinda surprise at how legit Toulouse plays
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>>150392426
didn't they have like a terrible summer friendly games campaign?
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>>150372227
I imagine most OM fans will grow to hate PFC.
PFC's ultras/supporters clubs have a few different factions despite being quite small in size of fanbase. Old Clan are the ones who say they respect OM there and they're >lifelong PFC fans. They're basically apolitical. Then you have the guys who got kicked out of PSG Kop of Boulogne who will obviously be first to hate OM and vice versa. And lastly you have guys like Légion X who make Kop of Boulogne look like Sandrine Rousseau. Pure neo-nazi subcultures of East Paris who go to PFC for the fights (including vs OL for example despite latter being right wing)

Because Old Clan are the dominant group they've managed to make its strict apolitical policy effective but the fact remains that all the virgins on here and JV.com who will want to exit the basement one day will pick PFC as a team thinking it's the anti-Red Star and inevitably anti-OM sentiment will grow too. I already doubt that OM fans will be allowed at Jean Bouin, no matter what bullshit about circle jerking over PSG is propagated in the media. But PFC will always hate Red Star and Creteil above any other clubs.
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>>150393110
Paris FC disavowed Legion X before this season though
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>>150372227
They hate PFC
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>>150393257
The club did and the Interior Ministry dissolved them but my point is that beyond ex-PSG guys cosplaying in leather jackets PFC have always attracted the Nazi fight club culture of East Paris and those guys no matter what their name will be there for when OM comes to town (if their supporters are even allowed).
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>>150393415
they don't, they feel indifferent because they're not there yet.
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what did he mean by that?
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>>150395709
Is she smelling her breath?
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lmao moneyco btfo by based jiroo
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>>150397060
GIWOO SCORES
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hot take. I'd prefer Giroud over Thuram in the NT.

Fight me.
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You already know what time it is,
KWAB of the week vote:
https://poal.me/4bmorp
https://poal.me/4bmorp
https://poal.me/4bmorp
https://poal.me/4bmorp
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OLIVIA GIWOO GOAT
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>>150397152
>stating something consensual as a hot take
holy reddit
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>>150397152
In an ideal world this would be the french NT
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>>150400509
In an ideal world∙you wouldn't be in America
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>>150400509
why yes, but you have to give jobs to 'them' because otherwise they sell drug or kill peoples
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>>150400509
In an ideal world, you should kill yourself
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>>150241390
Who are a fun French team to support? I used to support Marseille because of Cantona but I no longer feel anything towards them.
Looking for a team with:
>good/fun fans
>preferably left wing/working class
>plays good attacking football
>nice kit/colours
I don't really care about trophies.

Also would be grateful if I could get a qrd on:
>Stade Reims
>ASSE
>RC Lens
>Montpellier
>OL
>Stade Rennes
>Red Star

Merci beaucoup france bros.

P.S. What's the best place to watch Ligue UN
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>>150404660
Based on your criteria Nantes are probably the best bet. They used to play attacking football but maybe now they're a bit more of a classic Ligue 1 counter side. Also they are not a pure industrial working class city like Lens or ASSE but they're still pretty normal and their fans have left tendencies without being an OM or Red Star type obsessed with it.

>Stade Reims
Bit of a relic/classic club that has a nice stadium but shit support. No real rivals either (Sedan but they are lower league)
>ASSE
Based in a coal mining shithole, but used to have huge pedigree and loads of fans particularly in the South and had overall good support until their ultras got banned by the Ministry of Interior. Have arguably biggest rivalry in France with Lyon.
>RC Lens
Similar to ASSE only less successful, but better overall atmosphere and really working class with no glory hunters. Also they are inbreds. Big rivalry with Lille
>Montpellier
Kind of a small club given the size of the city because rugby dominates, but they won a Ligue 1 with Jiroo and co recently with a fun owner and they have good fans relative to their size. Complete basket case of a club now though
>OL
Went from being mid tier to God tier on the field in the 2000s winning something like 7 consecutive title and beating Real Madrid. Kinda known for their right wing fans and glory hunters from that time, but are now a basket case of a club with Textor pulling the strings.
>Stade Rennes
Owner pumps loads of money in the club and has a yoyo record of either qualifying for CL almost or being ridiculously bad for their budget. They play the Breton national anthem before every home game but are hated by every other Breton side (including Nantes which isnt even Bretagne lol).
>Red Star
Formerly working class Parisian club, overtly antifa a bit like FCSP that is now overtaken in the stands by your standard Parisian bourgeois bohemian ("bobo") and was under the ownership of an American investment fund
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>>150404660
>>good/fun fans
>>preferably left wing/working class
>>plays good attacking football
>>nice kit/colours
you just describe any Breton club lol, pick your poison (Brest, Rennes, Lorient...)
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>>150372656
>>150372846
that movie is atrocious, but he provided us, some great meme reactions
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i honestly stand by the fact the reason our league is plummeting is because clubs aren't owning their stadiums. If half of the league had their own home and made 100% of their stadium revenues, they would be in a much better position. kinda mental that right now, only Lyon and Auxerre own their stadium. Clubs like Strasbourg, Nice, Nantes or Rennes that are eternal middle of the road ligue 1 clubs should all own their stadium at 100%. And let's not talk about the two Parisian clubs, OM or Monaco. It's sad.
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>>150408630
Brest have right-wing fans
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>>150405904
>but are now a basket case of a club with Textor pulling the strings.

no more textor anymore, he's botafogo problem now
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>>150404660
Come support SCO, I'm tired of suffering alone.
>we have no fans
>we have no trophies
>soon we'll have no squad
>we can't attack
>we can't defend
>the owner is a sleaze (and not even a fun one)
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>>150408772
Lens just bought their stadium back several months ago iirc
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>>150411614
I said Lyon own their stadium.
But with a stadium you can do more that getting revenues off games. Museums or stadium related activities, concerts, meetings, hosting events... There's many ways that money who come from tickets can get into clubs pocket to stay rich. The model of a city hall owning a stadium and then renting the stadium to clubs is not working in the fucking age of dominating oil clubs, multi-ownership and whatnot.
PSG getting purchased by Qatar while they were still renting the Parc is a miracle by itself, because when you're an investor, you're looking for to own a product with many positive assets on the long run, and renting is a liability, even for selling the club. Only reason PSG got their ass saved, and few year by now Paris FC, is because they are in a huge European market city, even worldwide market city and it gives an insane soft power for a foreign country to invest in Paris. But your Lens, Rennes, Angers, or Lorients, who only attract local to regional at best market, they're inevitably doomed at some point to get fucked over by the DNCG because their renting model sucks and isn't viable in today's football. Which is why I say Lyon and Auxerre are the only serious French clubs.
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>>150417994
It's a factor, but Serie A has similar issues with local councils owning stadia and they have a much more competitive league, that is more internationally followed and that has a better overall European record despite P$G. The fact is the owners there as well as the TV stations etc all knew how to put on a show and Ligue 1 and it's owners, despite sometimes being as mental as Serie A ones, don't know how to sell the football as entertainment. It was a 1 horse race for much of the 2000s then a quasi 1 horse race from Qatar onwards. It also has to compete with rugby for eyeballs and match going experience in the South, and let's be honest attending rugby in the South is a much more pleasant experience than for example a Nice game
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>>150418423
>but Serie A has similar issues with local councils owning stadia and they have a much more competitive league, that is more internationally followed
It's because Milan AC, Juve and Inter had time to corrupt their way into many European titles, which organically gave them many international following. France never had that, because they "played the game honestly" until Tapie tried to burst that bubble in the 90s.
But other than that, look how how Italian clubs, let alone the NT is doing these days. Only eplel and laliga are doing well, and Germany, well it's the Bayern league.
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>>150418520
You're right continental European football is fucked because of the dominance of the EPL. La Liga does well in Europe mostly because their players dope and Spanish anti-doping is a genuine joke. Other than that though look at their transfer windows and viewing figures outside the big 3, most Spanish sides are poor relative to some Championship sides in England. As for Germany 50+1 rule handicaps most of their first league as it's filled with company teams and village clubs.
It makes you realize why Perez, Agnelli and others tried to set up the SuperLeague...they think the solution is to create a rival to the Premier league. But the real problem of people switching off football is not their mega rich clubs, on the contrary, it's the fact that they've juiced their players so hard to play such mechanical football (thanks again, Guardiola) that inevitably the top teams with the top staff and players dominate. And there isn't nearly enough attention given to mid tier regional clubs with big fanbase potential.
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>>150417770
wow really? when? sweet if true.
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>>150397121
I didn't pay attention last season : did they still do the thing where the top goalscorer in the league had a special badge on his jersey?
They did that two seasons ago and it absolutely reeked of "let's do something to give Mbappé reasons to stay".
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/laliste/ just dropped.
Thoughts ?
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>>150432029
>international break
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>>150432118
Just watch some National
>no international breaks because everyone sucks
>free broadcasts by FFF
>you can bet on what colour the pitch will be (don't put your money on green, you WILL lose)
>players have to deal with random environment hazards like uneven pitches, potholes, mud, dirt, sand, heavy wind, insufficient lighting...
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>>150432029
>Marcus Thuram STILL here
this is terrorism.
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>>150437484
seriously, why is he still here?
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>>150432029
bring back giroo
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>>150440314
he's still doing well at inter, that's pretty much it
no matter how many times we see he doesn't gel with the team, he'll still get called up if he does well at club
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>>150440314
Didi and Lilian are buddies.
You wouldn't say no to your buddy.
Especially when you won 98 and 2000 together.
>at least Kephrem isn't making the squad
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That's a nice fucking move of Paris FC, melou is elite.
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>>150448210
Buddy or not, I'd tell his son fucking suck geez, friends who sugarcoat are the worst. 23 games a 2 goals is insane for a striker.
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>>150449675
you aren't gonna convince me 7M for a 32 yold is a good deal
i know pfc wants ligue 1 veterans, that melou is a good player, or that pfc isn't hurting for money, but to me he's not worth more than 3M
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>>150449675
They're trying to moneyball their way into a viable/mid-table squad it seems.
Which wouldn't be bad for a freshly promoted club.
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this thread has been up for nearly two weeks
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>>150449794
He's still a solid and viable midfielder/striker, and better than 90% than what PFC currently has.
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>>150450054
Let's keep it up another week.
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well well well
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PSG got a tough one
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>>150455297
Marseille with another historical 0 point
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huge midtable derby tonight this one will determine brest's fate if they lose its a relegation battle this season
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>>150469010
true, these are the type of games in which at the end of the season, some club regret they didn't get the 3points beforehand.
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Friday 29/08

8.45pm CET
Lens - Brest
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Saturday 30/08

5.pm CET
Lorient - LOSC
7.pm CET
Nantes - Auxerre
9.pm CET
Toulouse - PSG
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Sunday 31/08

3.pm CET
Angers - Rennes
5.pm CET
Paris FC - Metz
Monaco - Strasbourg
Le Havre - Nice

MAIN EVENT, 8.45 CET
OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS - OLYMPIQUE DE MARSEILLE

KWAB of the week standings:
1. OM (1x KWAB)
-. Stade Rennais (1x KWAB)
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I am adjusting my Lenses for this spectacular Friday night Brest fixture
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Brest are holding their ground, surprisingly.
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>mama balde
>neither a mama nor balde
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incredibly how all upper mid table teams have downgraded this season there is no huge discernible difference quality wise between lens and angers
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>>150471393
Lens are tanking this season to make up for the purchase of their stadium which for your average ligue 1 side cost a lot and makes you force to sell your best assets and stay with a shitty team. They'll bounce back on the long run.
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>>150471507
but they always sell at least 3 starters each season
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KWAB Alert?! Brest goalie lmao
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>>150471545
that's the DNCG for you.
Wages too costly, receiving few pennies for the horrible league broadcasting contracts, giving the DNCG money because, why the fuck not and the purchase of Bollaert-Dellelis set the club back a bit, but as i said, once they stabilize in 2-3 years, their stadium revenues will set them right back on track.
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wtf Lens is solid?!
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>>150472289
Was about to post the same, hope the best for our lil niggy
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>>150471393
Don't worry, SCO is scheduled to lost Lepaul and possibly Abdeli aka their two decent players left.
We gon struggle to stay 16th all season yay
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>>150486792
Angers game? if so, you know the drill, pics or never happened
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Lorient's being raped kek
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>>150471507
They still have good players though
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this game was 1-2 uuntil the 80th minute what the hell happened
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>>150490467
Lorient motherfuckers thought they could play football
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>>150489515
I think we have our KWAB of the week (unless Marseille or Lyon outdoes itself for muh Olympico)
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>>150489515
Yep KWAB of the week, gaddayyum
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Don't write Stade Renoi off too quickly, they are perfectly capable of getting curbstomped two weeks in a row by teams that will be in the relegation fight all season
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Is there any major streaming service where I can watch this league?
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>>150491466
noone besides bein spor has acquired the rights, practically khelaifi just funding his team in a roundabout way
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>>150491558
Damn. First world problems i guess. Thanks
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>>150491404
their only way to outkwab Lorient would be a third red card in a row and losing
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how would you make this piece of shit attractive?
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>>150491599
Yeah okay when you put it that way it's going to be difficult to top Lorient as our weekly KWAB.
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>>150491705
Infinitely better than DAZN last year.
Does it include Ligue 2?
I unironically miss Amazon's Ligue 2 multiplex and the magic that was pundits and guests pretending to be hyped for Amiens-Rodez
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Nantes is based
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>>150491705
>ALL Ligue 1 & 2 games
>Able to watch several games at the same time
>Able to rewatch games on demand
>Able to watch classic games
>Talk shows, debates after games
>Documentaries about clubs, memorable players or coaches or eras
>Ligue 1 & 2 related reality shows i dunno about several supporters/ultra put inside a house reacting to their club performing and letting the drama unfold or games i dunno, a family feud type of tv game show but with supporters answering questions about L1/l2 stuff and they can win tickets for games

there you go.
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Good evening frens :)
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>>150492150
>Ligue 1 & 2 related reality shows i dunno about several supporters/ultra put inside a house
Ligue 1 Fishtank let's fucking GO
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>>150492222
ANON WANT TO SEE A 80% POSSESSION, 1-0 PSG VICTORY
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>>150492282
Kino
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Are ligue 1 threads back ? It feels like an eternity since the /comfy/rama era.
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>>150492150
>>Ligue 1 & 2 related reality shows i dunno about several supporters/ultra put inside a house reacting to their club performing
this is genuinely a good fucking idea, imagine the chaos between a marseigay, a parisian & psg fan, lyonnais, niçois, lensois etc...
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>>150492222
Checked and based
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>>150492150
>>ALL Ligue 1 & 2 games
You know why that won't happen.
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Put a cheeky fiver on a PSG choke if you want some free money.
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>>150492855
100% pas marabouté
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>>150492799
fuck him; if he really cares about saving the ligue like he claims to be, he would let it loose. We appreciate the effort for winning the UCL and bringing it back to France, but come on now.
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>>150492332
honestly? It's up to us to keep them alive. you might get a few loyal visitors like polebro, luxbro, greekbro or belgbro, but most of the board won't give a shit about our ligue so they won't make generals and our league will stay in obscurity aside from the casual psgay games. we gotta do it ourselves hoping maybe outsiders will follow organically while we keep the general alive through the days
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Seething peasants
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>>150492222
thats in front of your tv
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>>150493081
The only answer to these motherfuckers is this : Rugby city
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PSG 1000000000 - 0 toulouse
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Anal in the ass for Toulouse
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DAMN GOLAZO and a second goal right after. Shit's too fast
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NO WAY LMAO
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???
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We need a ukraine bro to post the webm of goals.
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>>150493650
teach yourself how to fish
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>>150493650
I'll try but I'm not as fast
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>>150493690
nice thank you.
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>>150493081
ON N'ENTEND PLUS LEURS GRANDES GUEULES AHAHAH
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ERA
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IT'S A PEN FOR PSG
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now you understand why noones is buying rights to the ligue 1
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4 0 LMAO
>>150494027
NO
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How do people cheer for psg when they keep winning every fucking year it’s getting boring I hope they get nuked
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>>150493834
J'avoue ils chantent encore plus fort.
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>>150494064
Where were you when Bayern won 11 titles in a row ?
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>>150494064
You would have sided against Muhammad when he was constantly winning in the desert?
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>>150494101
This. They only hate it when we do it
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>>150494101
I still seethe at the bundeass liga it’s just shit and boring when you know already who’s winning there’s no enjoyment or any excitement that’s why serie a is the best league rn it’s fun and every year a new champion

Even when juve dominated it’s was still close between 1st and 2nd it was always exciting till the end
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HOWEVER HOWEVER
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>>150494233
Era mano
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FUCK THE REF PEN FOR TOULOUSE
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LMAO SAVED BY CHEVALIER
BALL DON'T LIE
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KWAB
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Gigio would never
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>toulouse
Kwab kwab kwab
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AYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
2 PEN SAVED Y CHEVALIER
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this kid is legit
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THAT LEVEL OF ANAL IN THE ASS
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>>150493834
J’ai lu le message avec la voix/intonation de Dieudonné
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>>150495134
the J men really hate that picture
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>>150495166
They're completely seething every time it turns into a thread kek
It’s gonna happen, nothing you can do about it
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That ref is straight up retarded
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>>150495234
Great pic, have another one
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>>150495234
i really cannot comprehend how one simple pic of him utterly broke them. We got shitload of "." threads since the dawn of time, but somehow when one of them include that pic, they get assblasted to oblivion lmao
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>>150495346
Not only assblasted, but also banned because "you evaded ban" kek
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POPOPO THAT GOAL
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PSG's schedule combined with their good managing is so broken, literally easy mode every weekend. They can fully focus on CL like this every season.
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Road to brazil
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okay 2 (TWO) 7-1s in ligue 1 would be crazy
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didn't realise charlie cresswell played in france
has he been shit?
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>>150495730
He almost scored twice tonight. The best Toulouse player for me
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>>150495768
in general though, has he had a good year in ligue 1?
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>they blew the 7-1 score
KWAB
W
A
B
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>3-6
COMEBACK
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>>150495987
Le PSG qui n’est pas totalement débarrassé de ses vieux démons
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> 6-3
LMAO PSG DID A RUGBY SCORE IN THE RUGBY CITY KEK
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>the Lille game was 0-0 at half-time
lol
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buy our frauds
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>Somehow, Strasbourg is 5th
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>>150507916
>Somehow

they are shitters but chelsea spent 120m this summer for their sorry ass
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>>150507916
That's just the magic of august and september football.
>day three of the 23-24 season
>Reims is third
>Strasbourg is fifth
>Montpellier is seventh
>PSG is eighth
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>>150507916
I'm a Hull City fan so rooting for Liam Rosenior
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Dropping some Liguejaks for the sake of future threads and shitposting, in case you need them.
I'll try and make some for the clubs that don't have them. Just in case.
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Rennes one is further up the thread.
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Current Ligue 1 clubs I haven't made :
>Paris FC
>HAC
>FC Metz
>Lille
>TéFéCé
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>inb4 new version waving a brazilian flag
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And that's it.
I have some for Sainté, Clermont, Ajaccio and Troyes but they're in Ligue 2 now.
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STARTING SOON
Angers SCO vs Stade Rennais
>Standings
Angers : 11th. 1W 1L 0D. 3 points
Rennes : 13th. 1W 1L 0D. 3 points
>the stakes
Rennes is fighting for its title of KWAB of the month after Lorient's stellar performance.
Angers needs every win it can get especially in the early season when their lack of depth isn't too much of a problem yet.
It's the Estéban Lepaul derby with this match being the first time the striker plays for Rennes after leaving Angers two days ago.
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>get scored on by your former player
>at home
>three days after he left
the absolute STATE of Angers
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>>150508353
Waiting for the PFC one desu... Maybe an old clan one?
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>>150512678
I don't know enough about PFC to do something funny so I'm open to suggestions.
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I tried
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STARTING SOON
AS Monaco vs RC Strasbourg
>Standings
Monaco : 8th. 1W 1L 0D. 3 points
Strasbourg : 4th. 2W 0L 0D. 6 points
>the stakes
Strasbourg can keep an undefeated record. With a victory, they are guaranteed a podium placement at the end of the day.
Monaco has to prove they can stay awake in the stunning silence of the Louis II Stadium.

Paris FC vs FC Metz
>Standings
Paris : 17th. 0W 2L 0D. 0 points
Metz : 18th. 0W 2L 0D. 0 points
>the stakes
The shitter derby, two teams at 0 points and a -4 goal difference.
Paris FC's first home game this season and their first game in their new home stadium.

HAC vs Nice
>Standings
Le Havre : 16th. 0W 2L 0D. 0 points
Nice : 9th. 1W 1L 0D. 3 points
>the stakes
You never want to be the one giving a relegation candidate at 0 points its first win.
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>>150514161
Nice
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>Monaco 1 - 0 Strasbourg
>Paris FC 0 - 1 Metz
>Le Havre 1 - 0 Nice
Another wonderful day in Ligue 1-0
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Losing against Metz is a fucking insult against football, come on PFC !
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(Pen)FC
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PFC scores, 2-1
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what in the FUCK is going on at Jean Bouin?
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>>150514161
heh... i'll take it
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3 2 PFC THIS IS FOOTBALL
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HELL YEAH
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Who would have thought the most Ligue 2 matchup would be such a kino game?
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why does Paris FC produces me more joy when they win than PSG?
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>>150508366
>>150508383
kek well done

>>150514161
paris fc should be a marseillais hidden behind a pfcjack mask

>>150517177
because you're retarded
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>>150517177
You're a hater, that's why
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Do not let the PFC-Metz game distract you from the fact that Monaco has blown a 2-0 lead in 3 minutes to Chelsea's C team
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ERA ROJA wait a minute this isn't Rennes
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RED CARD FOR METZ. WELCOME BACK TO LIGUE 2 LMAO
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wtf Krasso
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OGC NICE IN SHAMBLES
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FINALLY
GG PFC
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PFC WON
EUROPE IS WARNED

MONACO SCORES
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>>150514161
Time to buy some LVMH stocks.
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>Somehow, Strasbourg is 6th
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RED CARD FOR RCS
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God dammit Nice blew it, we could have had THREE 3-2 in the same multiplex
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You should have stayed to Ligue 1
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I have to admit this week has been kino so far
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>>150518409
And there's still room for more with OL vs OM next.
>there are people RIGHT NOW who do not watch our league
sad
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>>150518409
KWAB will decide in that game, got the feeling, still Lorient for me, but Olympicos always deliver
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>>150518603
Considering the current state of the OM locker room, do not underestimate their ability to implode on the field and maybe have a brawl or two.
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https://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Ligue-1-du-beau-monde-en-tribunes-pour-la-premiere-du-paris-fc-a-jean-bouin/1589316
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STARTING SOON
OL vs OM
>Standings
Lyon : 1st. 2W 0L 0D. 6 points
Marseille : 7th. 1W 1L 0D. 3 points
>the stakes
Look, it's Lyon and Marseille, I don't need to tell you what that means.
Aubam' saying "there's only one Olympique" the other day sure is a good bait.
Good lord people are going to die outside of the stadium no matter what happens.
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>>150519277
> Raï is PFC's ambassador

They want war
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> My IPTV of 5 years just died

Holy fuck, they really are taking them down
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>>150520503
>IPTV
what the hell is iptv??
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CLEAR DIVE
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IT'S A PEN
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NO ERA
DIVE HARDER
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>Abner Vinicius
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KWABSEILLE
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LMAO RED FOR MARSEILLE
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HERE WE GOOOOOOOOO IT'S ALL DOWNHILL FROM HERE
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>>150520955
remember what happened last season when marseille were playing 90 minutes with a man down
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Fuck lyon club corrompu et Fuck Aulas
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>>150520617
paying for pirate streams ? aint for me
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AHAHAHA Véronique won!

>>150521021
Bwahahahah cope
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>>150521032
>Aulas

pourquoi mêler le candidat a la mairie de Lyon à cette histoire
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>>150521042
Especially when the money goes in bougnes pockets
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What is he thinking right now ?
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>>150521177
looking for another gringo to ripp off
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this dude looks like a woman. had to check twice
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If Rabiot had been there, this would already be 0-3 and two reds for Lyon.
He was framed to neutralize THE title contender.
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>>150286825
>>150491774
>>150509764
I wonder if someone keeps track of all the KWAB of the week ?
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>>150521380
women look like that in france?
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>>150522046
yep, here >>150469474

>KWAB of the week standings:
>1. OM (1x KWAB)
>-. Stade Rennais (1x KWAB)
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>>150522064
Looks like a girl in the thumbnail
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>>150522064
Unironically yeah, pretty much.
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AWW SHIT, this would have been a sick goal
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Man, the afternoon games were better than this.
Except SCO-Rennes, that was a snoozefest.
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>>150518603
jinxed it
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>>150522777
still 10 minutes for hope
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>>150521380
Bakwa desu senpai
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Bump limit post
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Fuck you OMerde
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AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
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Hop in:
>>150522914
>>150522914
>>150522914
>>150522914
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>>150522095
Based OM comforting their KWAB of the week standing
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LMAO 1 0 LYON
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THERE IT IS

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What even was tha( goal kek
>Ballerdi trying to to handball it out of the line
>that slow zoom on Aubameyang's face
Hah
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AHAHAHA go to hell sardines. Oh wait you are already in hell.
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already two defeats for merdeseille ?
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>>150523196
whats even the point when the 4th position will guarantee ch l next season?
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