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>Lap:
#8097

>Countdown to Azərbaycan GP:
https://f1exposure.com

>Previous thread:
>>150688475

>/f1/ Essentials:
https://pastebin.com/tZ67Gcuq

>FantasyGP.com /f1/ League Formula Autism:
Passcode: 12481641

>Haas F1 Team F1 Grands Prix without ever scoring a podium:
206

>Fernando Alonso F1 Grands Prix since last win:
217 (216 starts)

>2025 WDC Standings
PIA: 324 (+15)
NOR: 293 (+18)
VER: 230 (+25)
RUS: 194 (+10)
LEC: 163 (+12)

>2025 WCC Standings
McLaren Mercedes: 617 (+33)
Ferrari: 280 (+20)
Mercedes: 262 (+14)
Red Bull RBPT: 239 (+25)
Williams Mercedes: 86 (+6)

>2025 WEC Standings
HAM: 951.29 (+50.66)
NOR: 936.19 (+78.17)
TSU: 920.57 (+79.04)

>News
VER NOR PIA LEC RUS HAM OCO ALB ANT BOR HAD SAI BEA TSU LAW COL GAS STR
Amx was DOTD btw
AMuS: Max will race in a NLS race at the Nürburgring this weekend
Renault staying in F1 for a long time, says new CEO
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Salut!
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edd
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Real Verstappen Hours
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gimi
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happy amx
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I love dis nigga like you wouldn't believe
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amx
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get the jab
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>losing head to head to LEC 13-2
>p2 in WEC close to teammate
>p3 in WEC already expected to be btfo out by amx every weekend
hamilton should have clinched the WEC already and won 2 of the last 3 after losing to NARB
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Yeah, it's fine, we'll walk down the line
Leave our rain, a cold, trade for warm sunshine
You, my friend, I will defend
And if we change, well, I love you anyway
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russia's brave vitaly petrov
>in b4 post from canada about alonso inventing drs
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>the reason why DRS exists is that kwablonso lost the WDC after being stuck behind Petrov for 60 laps and f*rrari went crying to the FIA about it afterwards
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>>150703695
those eyes of determination that led him to the podium in the 2011 aus gp
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vitaly petrov with gimi in the cooldown room waiting to go on the podium
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>>150703323
>Renault staying in F1 for a long time, says new CEO

Does this mean they are going to start trying now?
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>>150703825
that means they are selling
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>>150703788
in my deepest simulations i just can't fathom how this interaction went
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>>150703695
I wonder if Kvyat could have been better than Poonoda in the current RBR car
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>>150703845
— Vodka?
— Vodka
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I accidentally half the bottle so far
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>>150703668
Also, do not forget pic related.
Except he's of course at 16 non-podiums now. Three to go.
Hamilton might actually be the worst driver Ferrari's ever had. (No, mid-season-replacements like Badoer don't count.)
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>>150703788
once upon a time I made a version of that pic where gimi is holding a mosin and putin is freaking out

it may have involved banan
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>>150703890
>Пyтинкa?
>i prefer kossu.
>gimi does not appear at the following race. nobody has seen him since he left the sochi paddock
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>>150703948
What's the most amount of consecutive races without a Ferrari podium? Must be either Massa or Kimi.
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BOOOOOO
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Prove to me that Norris doesn't just miss his marks constantly
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gimi
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>page 3
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>>150703995
>Must be either Massa or Kimi.
I think so. Massa had no podium in 2011, Räikkönen none in 2014.

Massa's last podium in 2010 was in the third-to-last race (Korea). His first podium in 2012 was in the 15th (Japan). That makes a streak of 2+19+14 = 35.

Räikkönen's last podium in 2013 was six races from the end (Korea). His first in 2015 was in the fourth race (Bahrain). That's a streak of 5+19+3 = 27.

Massa wins the record (unless there's someone who spent a very long time at Ferrari without getting a podium way way back, which I doubt).
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>>150704223
Page 3, or Page Three, was a British newspaper convention of publishing a large image of a topless female glamour model (known as a Page 3 girl) on the third page of mainstream red top tabloids. The Sun introduced the feature in November 1970, which boosted its readership and prompted competing tabloids—including The Daily Mirror, The Sunday People, and The Daily Star—to begin featuring topless models on their own third pages. Well-known Page 3 models included Linda Lusardi, Samantha Fox, Katie Price, and Keeley Hazell.
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>>150704309
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>>150704309
>Samantha Fox
do NOT post her first page 3 appearance
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>>150704306
(you) for the research/AI prompting
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>>150703825
they will announce that in 2026, the 5 year plan is starting again
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>>150704419
But it's F1 related, as Senna would have jumped her at the time.
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>>150703948
>1st podium (but not the 1st podium after you join them again)
irrelevant stat. put kimi in the current ferrari in his 2014-2020 form and he's never finishing in top 5 outside of DNFs
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gimi good gimi evening gimi
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>>150704525
himi
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>>150704482
every fucking time with this guy
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>>150704525
this shit chan thinks my reply to your shit post is spam
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>>150704482
Neither Kimi then nor Hamilton now should have been signed.
It's like pointing out Schumacher didn't win in the Mercedes and trying to make a point.
The only driver who's been above average past his mid-30s is Alonso.
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So... Qatar is probably off the calendar hey?
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>>150704647
>he has hope
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do you guys think there is a way to hack other teams radios? I know F1TV has all of it, but lets say a category doesnt have that, how could I monitor a guy who Im battling with to see if he is going to pit or not? The military does this all the time with enemies, so it shouldnt be that hard
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>>150704634
hamilton is miles above most of the drivers on that ferrari list, it's just a pointless stat that is irrelevant because they didn't drive a historic shitbox like the current ferrari that struggles to get podiums with the best driver lineup it has had in decades.
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>>150704720
>the best driver lineup it has had in decades
finally someone who tells it like it is
nothing beats alesi-capelli, though
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>>150704715
all the teams literally have access to that
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>>150704720
>best driver lineup it has had in decades
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>>150704630
kwab
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>>150704715
>>150704763
Oh, you mean non-F1 related. I don't do that, wouldn't want to give the jannies the chance to earn their pay.
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>>150704798
its motorsport related though, and probably in the 90's they did that (or at least someone tried to)
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>>150704423
>AI prompting
I would not rely on AI to give me this kind of specific result. It might very likely just skip certain races. And I would not rely on it being able to count.

Anyway, if Hamilton does manage to not get fired before the end of 2026, he could beat Massa's streak. If he does get to the end of that season without podiums, not only would he handily beat massa 48 to 35 (assuming another 24 races in 2026), but he'd also dwarf the record for races with Ferrari without ever finishing on podium 48 to Capelli's 14 (he already holds that record at the moment). Of course, if he eventually does get a podium, he loses that record and gains the "before podium" one instead (Pironi's 19). No idea which is more likely or more embarrassing.
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max to wec when
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>>150704720
>hamilton is miles above most of the drivers on that ferrari list
Correct. He's currently second in that list. Very likely first a few weeks from now.
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>>150704883
max to nurburgring this weekend
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>>150704720
>a historic shitbox like the current ferrari that struggles to get podiums
Well, not Leclerc's Ferrari, for some reason.
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One of the F1 pilots should date a Gen Z actress, such as:
>Jenna Ortega (pic rel)
>Isabela Moner
>Cailee Spaeny
>Kaho Shibuya
>Lisa from Blackpink
>Sydney Sweeney
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>>150704883
he doesn't look like a grill at all
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>>150704949
forgot pic
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>>150704931
>Jenna Ortega
Isn't she dating Emma Myers?
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I'LL LIVE TOMORROW
YOU I'LL NOT FOLLOW
AS YOU WALLOW
IN YOUR SEA OF SORROW
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>>150704931
>Kaho Shibuya
>34 years old
>zoomer
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>>150704776
Hamilton is better than Sainz.
>>150704915
>>150704893
Now ask your AI how many drivers on that list drove for a ferrari that was 3rd-4th quickest while 85% of the podiums went to a non ferrari, then come back to me.
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'Cause I'm goin' down the steps on a white line
Goin' down the steps on a white line
Goin' down the steps on a white line straight to nowhere
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>>150705146
Sainz was relatively close to matching Chuck in equal cars and didn't embarass himself like Hamilton did.
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>>150704855
>>150704423
On that topic: I was just about to close my goodle search window from before when I noticed this wonderful piece of AI information.
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Sitting on an angry chair
Angry walls that steal the air
Stomach hurts and I don't care
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>>150705082
Mentally a zoomer
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>>150705210
he wasn't
especially in 2022 Sainz lucked out hard
over all it was really 70-30 in favor of Leclerc
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>Hamilton is better than Sainz
At what? Being single? KWAB
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No one plans to take the path
That brings you lower
And here you stand before us all
And say, "It's over, it's over"
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>>150705287
why can't he turn left, he spent plenty of time in the states
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>>150705146
>ask your AI
Unlike you, who last week prided himself with his frequent use of AI in these threads, I don't use Ai to look up stuff, and much less to get or "verify" my opinions.
>drove for a ferrari that was 3rd-4th quickest
How come Leclerc's Ferrari is a frequent podium-finisher this season then?
What are your sources for this ridiculous "3rd-4th quickest" claim?
>while 85% of the podiums went to a non ferrari
Your first season dominanated by one team? Did you just start watching? Did you come from Dts? Or the fucking Brad Pitt film?
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>>150705303
he just needs more time
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>>150705227
Still better than 95-5
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>>150705227
>over all it was really 70-30 in favor of Leclerc
And right now, against Hamilton, it's basically 100-0 for Leclerc.
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>>150705380
time is running out
the clock is ticking
opportunities are diminishing
regrets are growing
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the lando norris aspartame monster tastes like shit and piss
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>>150705386
>>150705406
sorry if it seemed like I was defending Hamilton, yeah he is a joke
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>comfy day at my instructor job
>smug rich kid arrives there in some Ferrari with Red Bull design and wants to do GT3
>ask him if he thinks hes Vettel
>"Not quite but I've won a few races as well."
>Tell him the only thing that he has won is the passenger seat and that he should return his car to his dad or whomever
>He stands there confused as I walk away
>He follows me and suddenly starts talking about Apex (Legends?) and The Sims Racing
>"Great another guy that plays video games and thinks he can beat Hamilton."
>Dude giggles like a child sitting next to me while I set the Nordschleife on fire in my Scirocco (sub 18 minute lap!!)
Day fizzled out after that, but the audacity of some people... He can be happy if gets his entry license.
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>>150705545
>plays video games and thinks he can beat Hamilton
To be fair, he probably can.
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>>150705367
>Unlike you, who last week prided himself with his frequent use of AI in these threads, I don't use Ai to look up stuff, and much less to get or "verify" my opinions.
I have no idea what you're talking about, can you remind me of a single argument where you've proven me wrong regardless of the sources used? I don't know how many germs I've managed to upset at this point.
>How come Leclerc's Ferrari is a frequent podium-finisher this season then?
>Your first season dominanated by one team? Did you just start watching? Did you come from Dts? Or the fucking Brad Pitt film?
Amazing how you can't even connect the dots in this simple case.

Anyway, since you claimed that Hamilton isn't miles above the people on that list, I asked you to find all the seasons which these drivers scored their 1st podium at ferrari on, and find the cases where the Ferrari is on the podium a maximum of 15% of the races. If you can't do that, then your claim is irrelevant since it's pretty clear most of the people drove a rocketship ferrari that was miles ahead the competition.
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grid grill tits are F1 related
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>>150705739
he's as resilient as the quiche I'm about to scoff
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yall arguing about dumb shit again?

stop it
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wanna know how I got these championships?
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>>150705669
>I have no idea what you're talking about
Sure you don't.
Must have been another terminally Hamilton-defending Finn-flag troll then who made these posts:
>https://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/150485221/#150492348
>https://archive.4plebs.org/sp/thread/150485221/#150493819

>how you can't even connect the dots
What dots? Leclerc completely dominates Hamilton. Are you arguing that they are driving categorically different cars?
>since you claimed that Hamilton isn't miles above the people on that list
I didn't. You claimed the opposite, but I never contradicted you.
>where the Ferrari is on the podium a maximum of 15% of the races
Again, you don't seem to have ever followed the sport over a full season where a team dominated.
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>>150705857
>"My father worked 7 jobs, and was a n-"
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Hamilton will retire just in time for Ugo Ugochukwu to replace him as the designated token black driver
Which is fine with me, big fan of this lanky kid and his funny name
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are all germans autistic retards?
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>>150705669
Oh, and also:
>on the podium a maximum of 15% of the races
Leclerc has so far scored 5 podiums (4 times 3rd, once 2nd). With 16 races done, that makes 5/16, or exactly 31.25%.
So your "15%" do not even apply this season. I wonder where you pulled that ridiculous non-factual number from. Did you ask your beloved ChatGPT?
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>>150706076
>currently 16th in F3
would be so funny if they change the superlicense rules for him instead of a woman
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>>150705806
I'm arguing some germ that unironically thinks *checks notes*
wolfgang von whatever the fuck, and joise "fuck" gonzalez are better than Hamilton. Or that Vettel, "Peter Whitebread" or "Mike Parkinson" are better than Leclerc

>>150706026
Just give up like you always do after 2-3 replies. It's pointless with you.
>I didn't. You claimed the opposite, but I never contradicted you.
Are you retarded or pretending? Where did you see me claiming Hamilton doesn't wash 99% of the people on that list?
>>150704893
>hamilton is miles above most of the drivers on that ferrari list
>Correct. He's currently second in that list. Very likely first a few weeks from now.
Here? This the part that has you confused?

"Miles above most of the drivers on that list", not "above in ranking on the list". Anything else I can clear up for you?
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>>150706268
>Where did you see me claiming Hamilton doesn't wash 99% of the people on that list?
VPN-Finn doesn't know what the word "opposite" means. Kek.
>Here?
Right there I said "correct". That is not a word of contradiction. It signals agreement.
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>slipstream this car
>get the camel tow
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biz idea: an F1 race on the African continent
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>>150705611
wow, hamilton is literally complete and utter shit
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>>150706116
Lelclerc has scored 4 podiums out of the available 48, so I asked wolfram alpha and it said that's a 8% podium ratio. Since I'm a math genius I can tell that ratio is uncharacteristically low for ferrari. Think there is something to this shit but I can't be bothered trying to figure it out.
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i win this discussion btw
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>>150706540
no, I already won it.
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>Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen are now vying to buy a team in MotoGP.
>Hamilton’s interest goes back a long way. During his time at Mercedes, he was known to close off circuits to ride superbikes with his engineers.
>MotoGP’s expected growth following Liberty’s arrival has only increased that interest.

https://www.autosport.com/motogp/news/how-verstappen-and-hamilton-are-racing-to-enter-motogp/10757932/
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>>150706560
Completely coincidental that Günther Steiner is also trying to buy a Moto3 team, nothing to see here.
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>>150706528
>Lelclerc has scored 4 podiums out of the available 48
Kek. How dare Leclerc doesn't place 1st, 2nd and 3rd at the very same time, every single time! What a sucker!
(Do you really think anyone still takes you seriously, fucktard?)
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>>150706428
>South Africa's cabinet this week approved the application of the Ministry of Sport, Arts and Culture to host a grand prix at Kyalami from 2027.

>"South Africa will seek to host Formula 1 at Kyalami in 2027," minister Kumbudzo Ntshaweni confirmed. "The bid is fully funded by the South African private sector and, if successful, will contribute to job creation and economic development."

>She added that the plan includes guarantees for an initial three-year deal through 2029.

>Kyalami, north of Johannesburg, last hosted Formula 1 in 1993. The FIA has already approved plans to upgrade the circuit to Grade 1 standard, with work expected to finish next year.

>The news comes as Formula 1 also confirmed one of its most historic events will remain on the calendar long-term, with Monaco's street race extended until 2035.

>F1 CEO Stefano Domenicali hailed the "unique vibe" of the glamorous Principality, while Prince Albert II said the new deal reflected Monaco's "unique place in the international motorsport landscape".

>The Monaco extension builds on an existing agreement that ran through 2031, meaning the sport's oldest and most prestigious street race is now secure for another decade.
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>>150706593
>Günther Steiner
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>>150706560
>L*berty buys MotoGP
>F1 people now "interested" in MotoGP
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>>150706560
HAM and VER should buy a team together and make picrel. Call it Ride to Survive. Name the team Red Bull (red refers to Ferrari)
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>>150706606
we're talking about scoring 1 (ONE, SINGULAR) podium you dumb bitch
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>>150706560
>>150706593
>>150706624
>>150706636
>>150706649
who cares
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>>150706658
Max Verstappen (F1 driver) and Lewis Hamilton (F1 driver)

But yes IDGAFF
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>>150706606
also you missed this btw >>150706268

that said even the cherry picked arguments you're replying to are BTFOing you so I guess we know why you missed it
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i hope every fingol kills itself
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@grok who really won this argument?
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>>150706710
we established it already
i did >>150706540
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>>150706652
>we're talking about scoring 1 (ONE, SINGULAR) podium
And Leclerc literally scored 5 (FIVE).
Now, you claim he could have scored 48, in 16 races. Pray tell me, how would he ideally have done that, genius?
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someday /f1/ will finally give hamilton the respect he deserves
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>>150706735
I won by not partaking, per se. Thusly I've also proven to have won F1. And in life.
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someday /f1/ will finally give coloni the respect it deserves
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>>150706777
>White car
>White kerbs
VERY based
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nah boss not today
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>>150706777
>coloni
The founder/inventor of colonialism?
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what's the use of george
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>>150706797
he just perfected it and they renamed it after him
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>>150706834
>what's the use of george
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>>150706834
exposes his overrated teammates
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-07/renee-gracie-gt3-v8-supercar-onlyfans-motor-sport-racing/105668240

Sometimes the jokes write themselves.

>inb4 you now remember some /f1/ posters being obsessed with her
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>>150706834
losing the wdc to the cuckstomer team
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>>150706076
UGOCHUKWU
UGOCHUKWU
UGOCHUKWU
UGO UGO
UGOCHUKWU

I can't stop this feeling...
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>>150706876
Kazakhstan
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>>150706876
France
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>>150706076
what in the yaoi proportions is this kid
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>>150706876
bitch ugly af fr
Lewis Hamilton
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>>150706745
nobody is talking about him scoring 3 podiums per race you fucking dingus. there are 3 podiums available per race. mclaren on average occupies 1.7 of those podiums, lerclerc occupies 0.3 of those podiums etc so it becomes exponentially more difficult to score podiums in a season where ferrari is 3rd or 4th slowest especially when your teammate is marginally better than you.
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>>150706951
5 seconds penalty for leaving debris on track.
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>>150706876
>gt3-v8-supercar-onlyfans-motor-sport-racing
There's an Onlyfans team in the Supercars Championship?
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>>150706976
de vries?
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Flavio's daughter's tits
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>>150706076
There's nothing you can do to help pozfags. Look at this mf, he knows he's being psyops'd and he's like "this is fine with me XD"
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>gay
>climbs the ass of another driver
curious.
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>>150706972
>there are 3 podiums available per race.
Nope. There are three podium-spots available, on a single podium. But only one spot per driver, and two spots per team.
By your brilliant AI-logic, a team could 1-2 every single race and still not get a 100% podium-finish rate. 66.7% would be the maximum. Same for the drivers. None could exceed 33.4%, ever.
You really aren't that bright, are you?
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>>150707010
Looks straight out of any CLAMP work
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>>150707007
I'm still amazed how Ralf managed to get it up for Cora, that pussy stink must've been absolutely disgusting.
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>>150707010
Lelouch looking ass
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>>150703343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQn8E7vm9wc
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>>150706076
His real surname is Orlandi
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>>150707038
>a team could 1-2 every single race and still not get a 100% podium-finish rate. 66.7% would be the maximum
Yes, and that means they are occupying 2 podium spots. See you're getting it retard. Now just try to figure out what it means when 9 other teams are fighting for 1 podium spot and you're not the fastest among the rest.

Also, let's not forget you still haven't addressed anything in >>150706268, or was it a bit too embarassing to realize your gotcha didn't land?
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>>150706990
all the new drivers are gay retards with rich parents that have been racing go karts since they were four years old, they're all the same to me even the ones who are black, seven foot tall and if you say their name out loud the furniture starts floating
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This is the new Testarossa
Yes this is real
Yes we stray further from God's light every day
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>>150707092
>See you're getting it retard.
Yes, I do get that you're a complete moron.
No one uses percentages of "podiums" like you do. But, hey, you're literally trying to hang on to the frailest thread here, aren't you?
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>>150706876
>Adding salt to the wound, Gracie remembers being berated by her team after the oil-slick induced crash that severely damaged their Ford FG X Falcon.
>"I was like 'what are you worried about? I'm a racing car driver, I made a mistake'. That didn't sit right with me.
>"While it was meant to be one of the greatest moments of my life, it was also the most stressful, chaotic and traumatising time of my life, all at the same time."
kwab

federica gave birth btw
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>>150707105
I keep looking at it and every now and then I find angles or details which look nice, then I blink and it's back to being fucking ugly
at least it's an improvement over the F80 which I only find ugly
(this is coming from someone who thinks the 12Cilindri looks fantastic as long as you ignore the rear)
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>>150707130
>federica gave birth btw
yeah, to me
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>>150707105
curves are retarded, supercars need to go cybertruck
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>>150707130
>Federica gave birth btw
Kek, just seen that she’s named the baby girl Charlotte
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>>150707121
What else would you use to demonstrate the given difficulty of achieving a podium finish in a season dominated so hard by a single team they are on record breaking track? Chuck's 30% podium ratio might as well be championship deciding if it was an extremely close season which it isn't.
>No one uses percentages of "podiums" like you do. But, hey, you're literally trying to hang on to the frailest thread here, aren't you?
You're the one cherry picking my posts and still getting gaped.
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>>150707156
>>150707176
i cannot confirm or deny information that she attempted to syringe sperms from chuck's balls while he was sleeping to impregnate herself with
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>>150707105
>>150707147
>some fools got a Ferrari with fucking touch-to-start shit
At least they've learned something.

Though I agree you with modern Ferrari's, 296-whatever looks like old Corvette with modern bodykit and the new styling doesn't do any favors to F80 either.
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If car bad then why Leclerc podium often? Makes think... Maybe driver 2 bad?..
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>>150707130
>Ford Falcon
This is a Holden board
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>>150707205
>no fuckhueg screen
how will modern car drivers understand what's going on?
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>>150707191
>the given difficulty of achieving a podium finish
You're avoiding the key question: Why is it so much more difficult for Hamilton than it is for his teammate? Or for Hülkenberg in a Sauber?
>You're the one cherry picking my posts and still getting gaped.
Kek. You keep repeating that, while embarassing yourself more and more with every single post (which is the only reason I still entertain your idiocy).
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>>150707195
A mosquito just landed on your post, which allowed me to kill it. Thank you!
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Keep up
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>>150707230
>Hamilton out of nowhere
Cry a bit if you need, get it out of your system but still I want you back in the convo you're not done yet.. Explain what other system you'd use to gauge the difficulty of achieving a podium in a season. And no, "finishing on podium, period" isn't a good metric since it ignores the dominance aspect. An aspect which didn't exist for most of the drivers on your list, and an aspect which makes it harder to achieve podiums if you're not the best of the rest.
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>>150707221
meant Elfin
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>>150705177
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>>150707059
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>>150707278
no reason kick sauber can't get podiums the final races
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>>150707094
didn't read; stay pozzed
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>>150707218
lecuck is probably about as good as hulkenberg
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>pozfags left colapiss on the table
>AGAIN
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>>150707332
That compliment, Hulkenchad win WDC 3 race ago if in McLaren right now
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>>150704309
golden years
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>>150707285
>And no, "finishing on podium, period" isn't a good metric since it ignores the dominance aspect. An aspect which didn't exist for most of the drivers on your list, and an aspect which makes it harder to achieve podiums if you're not the best of the rest.
In 2021 Charles got 1 podium, Sainz got 3
In 2020 Charles got 2 podiums, Seb got 1
Both Kimi and Seb got many podiums in 2015 and 2016
In 2014 Fernando got 2
Fernando also got 10 podiums in 2011 and 2013
In 2009 Kimi got 5 podiums, Massa 1
2005 Michael 5, Rubens 4
Alesi got podiums every season he was with Ferrari during the 90s, of his teammates only Capelli in 1992 didn't
Are you going to claim that all those seasons weren't dominant or the Ferrari then was better than this years?
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>>150707105
if they are going to calling like that where the fuck is this shit
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How do I learn to become shameless? I'm not really living. I envy Lewis' shamelessness. But yeah he's absolutely shit.
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>>150707390
Be black
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call it*
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>>150707390
>shamelessness
he has that because he theatrical because he's a homosexual
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>>150704634
alonso got shit on by ocon, bro
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>>150707385
The flat rear window?
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>>150707408
so I should become theatrical? or homosensual?
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>>150707415
yes, that's the most iconic part of the 'rrosa IMHO
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>>150707105
f80 at home
dropping pininfarina is still the worst decision they've made
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>>150707419
yes
or black (the theatricalness and homosexuality are part of that whole thing)
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>>150707445
how do I become black like Lewis?
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>>150707439
Yeah Pininfarina still has it. Though I'm gonna be honest I really like the F80, if not for the black bar at the front
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>>150707285
>Hamilton out of nowhere
This whole back-and-forth literally started with Hamilton and him failing to get podiums. It's what riled you up so much, troll:
>>150704482
>>150704720
How the fuck can you now pretend that this is not all about Hamilton? Are you this stupid or just dishonest (but still stupid enough to think you think you can get away with it)?`
>what other system you'd use
For podium finishes? Simple: P/(P+N), where P is a podium-finish and N is a non-podium finish. Which boils down to P/R, where R is the number of race starts. That is per driver, of course. Per team, you'd have to differenciate between podium-finishes and double-podium finishes. That's not my invention, by the way. This is how literally any publication classifies podium finishes. Not your retarded P/(3R) system.
>to gauge the difficulty of achieving a podium in a season
You do realize that we did not even talk about that, right? Anyway, way more factors play into that. But let's say we can take the McLarens finishing every race with a double-podium as a given (we can't, and they haven't). Then you still cannot say that you have an even playing field for all other teams or drivers. You could of course look at teammates and compare them. If a driver finishes on a podium regularly and the other does not, then that does mean that one of them is underperforming, wouldn't you agree? Which brings us back to: Why is Leclerc's Ferrari so much "better" than Hamilton's?
>it ignores the dominance aspect.
Again, you're acting as if this was the only dominant season ever in the history of the sport. The Mercedes dominance was much worse, just to name one.
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>>150707450
get groomed by ron dennis
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>>150705216
excellent posts
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>>150707156
>yeah, to me
It should have been me
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>>150707554
If you were her son, you would be even less likely to have sex with her.
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>>150704482
>2014
nah, kimi 2014 was decent, for that shit car, and did an ok job for a second driver during vettel
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>>150705227
he was in ferrari for 4 years, no 1...........
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>>150707475
You started this convo pretending that chuck putting it on the podium a few times in a season where 2 mclels and max gobble up the vast majority of podiums and where the top10 is often within 0.7 sec of each other is somehow comparable to some rag tag of random drivers from the 70s getting a podium finish in their p2w ferrari speedmobile and now you're telling me i'm le bad dishonest actor KEK
>That is per driver, of course. Per team, you'd have to differenciate between podium-finishes and double-podium finishes.
you already came to the conclusion that the highest possible number of podium steps on average a team can occupy in a race season is 2, and we're specifically looking for the difficulty of getting a ferrari on the podium step not how hard it's for a given driver of a given team since your cope is obviously about hamilton not beating leclerc to the podium somehow equaling worse performance than hans von guggledicock from 1960 putting it on the podium vs. some hobbyist drivers finishing 5 lap down
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>>150707658
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I like f1 actually
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Didn’t think Pisstree would reach pole position but here we are, my friends.

gimi
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>>150707694
>someone made this gif
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>>150707710
I love ponytails so fucking much bros
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>>150707710
are they getting piped by big hohol cocks as we speak?
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>>150707728
i'm of knowing this feeling's
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>>150707728
same because my first kiss was from a girl with a ponytail… f1 related because… uhh
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>>150707745
turn your fucking vpn off retard

they're finnish
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>>150707658
>some rag tag of random drivers from the 70s getting a podium finish in their p2w ferrari speedmobile
Wow. You really know nothing at all about the history of this sport. Almost impressive, if it wasn't so sad.
>you already came to the conclusion that the highest possible number of podium steps on average a team can occupy in a race season is 2
Yes. Which is why your x/48 calculation was so ridiculous.
>we're specifically looking for the difficulty of getting a ferrari on the podium
Well, that would depend on how good the Ferrari is compared to other cars, wouldn't it? And how do we gauge that? I suggested, since we're talking about podium-capabilities, to simply look at how often it did actually finish on the podium so far. For the Ferrari, that number is 5. In 5 of 16 races, the Ferrari has finished on podium. For Red Bull, for example, the number would be 7. Of course, in the Red Bull example, we see that one of their two drivers disproportionally finished on the podium compared to the other (7 vs. 0). Now, doesn't that suggest that while both drivers had that same 7/16 chance to finish on podium given the car performance, right? And that one of them did get more out of that than the other, right? Now, why not do the same for Ferrari?
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Now I don’t hate Hamilton.
I think he’s pretty cool.
Granted he’s not the best.
Gone are the days of his prime years.
Even he probably knows that.
Regardless, he’s OK.
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>>150707779
missed the big bottas get AND the great gimi digits
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>>150707779
nah he's literally complete and utter shit bro
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>>150707746
>high pony tail
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https://www.youtube.com/live/nFVEWwrzDLw
live chase
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>>150707877
>wrecked on a curb
kwab
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>>150707877
>already over
boo
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>>150707767
>mu-muh old drivers...WERE LE REAL PROS!!! I JUST KNOW!!!
fucking KEK you could timetravel stroll into one of the 60s shitboxes and give him 3 days to pracc and he'd win a championship
>Yes. Which is why your x/48 calculation was so ridiculous.
Nu-uh
>Of course, in the Red Bull example, we see that one of their two drivers disproportionally finished on the podium compared to the other (7 vs. 0). Now, doesn't that suggest that while both drivers had that same 7/16 chance to finish on podium given the car performance, right? And that one of them did get more out of that than the other, right? Now, why not do the same for Ferrari?
It's just not that complicated. You see when 2 cars essentially make the number of available podium spots "1", then to get on the podium you realistically need to beat the odds of one of the 2 cars not making it (15%), Max not making it (?%), OR you have to beat your Teammate who's got an edge over you (so far, 0%)

Now take your shitter from the 70s, they have to beat an assortment of various shittermobiles driven by hobbyists and playboys and maybe a few serious drivers in the top teams beside ferrari, and with cars blowing up half time time, the field spread not being ~0.7sec, it's just a lot easier.
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>>150707923
Old drivers actually needed talent since there was limited practice time, nowadays these guys can just grind infinitely in their sims
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Which driver and WAG is this /f1/?
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>>150707955
This ugly motherfucker is licking white girls and basically you're fucking stupid
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>>150707951
Yeah but that's my point, Stroll would literally destroy your average champion from that era because nowdays you have F1 drivers that enter the sport with more pro racing experience than your average champion.
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>>150707985
comparing apples to oranges though
comparing kids who play airsoft every week to actual soldiers who went to war
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All this time, I swore I'd never
Be like my old man
What the hay, it's time to face
Exactly what I am
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>>150707923
>fucking KEK you could timetravel stroll into one of the 60s shitboxes and give him 3 days to pracc and he'd win a championship
I really cannot tell whether you are trolling or THIS fucking ignorant.
>Max not making it (?%)
If we're talking empirical data, he hasn't "made it" in 9 of 16 races, i.e. 56.25%. Not that rare.
>OR you have to beat your Teammate
Right. If we do assume that the McLarens both have a guaranteed podium spot (not quite the case, but close enough if we're not talking about when both Mercedes finished on the podium in Canada), you do need to beat your teammate. And that's the answer to why Leclerc did get five podiums, and why this is not a Ferrari problem, but just a Hamilton problem.
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>>150708010
More like kids who played airsoft as kids, then went to a military academy, trained as marine, practiced competitive shooting in their free time, worked as a military consultant, served on couple quick tours in the middle east and is now getting shipped there again, but in a slightly bigger outfit.
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>>150707985
>>150708092
You REALLY think that cars back then drove just like cars nowadays, don't you?
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>>150708078
>you do need to beat your teammate. And that's the answer to why Leclerc did get five podiums, and why this is not a Ferrari problem, but just a Hamilton problem.
Is this your big gotcha moment you were building up to? I never claimed current Hamilton should beat Leclerc, just that your statistic is irrelevant because your shitters (yes, shitters) from the 60s never had to beat a teammate even half as good as Leclerc or a grid as competitive as it is now.
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>>150708122
Stroll would literally destroy your average grand prix champion and you're fucking retarded if you think otherwise.
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>>150708144
I bet you'd destroy Stroll's penis ya fag
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>>150706621
Not happening
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y'all suck at debating
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>>150708197
not me, im the smartest guy alive, i did one of those online iq tests and i have an iq of 220
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>>150708197
I want them to shut up
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I just hope verstappen can keep it up, and at least get second.
Fuck McLaren and their suspiciously quick and consistent dominance.
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>>150707955
YJN
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-to-make-long-awaited-nordschleife-race-debut-this-weekend-/10757959/

max racin on satday and sunday
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He's going to yolo to try to do a hotlap and die like all those BMW drivers.
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>>150708131
>I never claimed current Hamilton should beat Leclerc
But he reasonably should, on occasion. If they just had a 80/20 split, Hamilton would have gotten one of Leclerc's podiums, or just even have capitalized on the McLarens' errors. Like others have. You do not have to be better or as good as Leclerc to beat him sometimes. You just need to be not much worse. In other words: Not getting a single podium when your teammate has a handful of podiums IS a measure of quality. Which is what this statistic, at least in part, reflects.
>never had to beat a teammate even half as good as Leclerc
Again, you prove that you know very little about F1 history.
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>>150707105
these retards saw the negative reception to the 12cilindri and doubled down
this new design language sucks major balls
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>>150707955
You just know

>>150707975
>white
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>>150708263
>anons actually discussing something
>whaaa reeee noo pls make it stop
there's always someone like this
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Why does /f1/ underestimate retro drivers so much? I can't believe you put today's zoomers on so high a pedestal. You actually buy into the hype.
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>>150709225
they're pozzed in the head
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>>150709173
you are literally a whore, bestie
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>responding to VPNfags
why
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you guys are going to get jamaica nuked again, leave him alone!
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>>150709225
It's just contrarianism. They actually have to stop races nowadays because of rain because they're worried that the retard drone modern drivers will go straight into a wall if the conditions they've spent two thousand hours practicing have slightly changed.
Today's drivers are just pay drivers who've grinded enough sim time to be competent, back in the day you actually had to be good to win because the only practice you got was during race weekends and there was no accurate data to study optimal racing lines or brake speed or whatever.
Schumacher is the GOAT but his autism "solved" the sport and it's been dogshit ever since
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>>150709173
>vpn indog raging with someone foolish enough to bite onto his shit
>discussing
that isn't discussing, that's just pointless RRRREEEEEing over shit neither of them actually knows anything about
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>>150709173
don't be stupid
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>>150709331
i generally follow rules and dont ban evade when janny spanks me
they give me a little extra leash desu
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I really don't know what you guys are talking about. Testing with cars and drivers was virtually unrestricted before the mid 90s. Most of the guys that got signed had extensive experience in a team's car before they ever raced.
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>>150709476
Because of sims modern drivers can do 1000 laps at Monza without ever actually visiting Italy
Even a green rookie like Bort or Hadjar has driven that track more than someone like Senna
It's not the same at all
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>>150709476
modern analytics and training
same reason why some meddling nba player nowaday would absolutely rape any nba player back in the day
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>>150709593
>modern analytics and training
Which is great for training people for "modern" cars. Put them in one that's older than 30 years and they'll struggle. And the other way around.
Cars have changed, and the drivers with them. You cannot compare them, let alone say one group is inherently better than the other, when they're each better at completely different things.
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>>150707105
why does every design have that stupid black bar across the front
every single one would be improved by just filling that in with the body color
sad that the Testarossa remake got absolutely fisted in design by the Countach
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>>150709893
someone high up in the design studio has a daytona fetish
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>>150709942
ahhh I see
it’s the black filling on the led headlights of the new ones making the bar look too wide and stupid
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>>150710068
no its just that the current design language is fucked
someone thinks there being clever with pulling heritage elements, trying to capture 60s voluptuousness and then slapping on boxy bits
the best thing i can compare it to is when gordon went to that restaurant and told the guy he can cook just fine but crawl out if his own ass for 2 seconds to realize hes doing too much
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>>150703323
Lads, I made out with a girl.
First time since 2015.
Races for this feeling?(AKA a boner)
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i have compared the albacore but its actually not and its dogshit yeller in snoy grease
the olive oil helps but maybe just stick to sockeye for big can spends
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f1 demon hunters
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including this year, mercedes engines have won 10 of the last 12 wccs
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Max has his own downforce package.
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>>150703948
>Wolfgang Von Trips
How have i never heard that name till now.
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>>150711619
>How have i never heard that name till now.

you like dts dint you?
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I want to dance to disco like a madman, wish I could find a club that plays just disco
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>>150711679
Ive never watched it in my life. Im just not super knowledgeable about the older drivers pre 80's outside the bigger names.
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>>150711750
you know what i dont believe you
dont look up
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>>150711770
I dont care if a Lando fan believes me or not!
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>>150711933
>a Lando fan
ill hurt you.
ps3 mouth supremacy
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>>150709942
I can feel it CALLING in the air TONIGHT... Oh LORD!
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the spaniard stole my money, so im going to go to spain to kick his ass
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>>150707105
their designs had been dogshit ever since they divorced from Pininfarina as their designer.
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>>150705722
So are race queen butts.
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>>150706414
>get the camel tow
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>>150707182
Is that Tony from Garbage Time?
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>QATAR CANCELLED
>QATAR CANCELLED
>QATAR CANCELLED
>QATAR CANCELLED
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The F80 is like those shitty retro tribute cars americans were making in the 2000s because they were in deep shit financially and didn't know what to do
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The F80 is supposed to be a tribute to the F40 but they didn't even use a turbo V8 that they use on their top tier non limited edition mid engine cars. I feel like they are using the V6 turbo to drive up sales of the 296 as the baby F80
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sophia
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>>150712760
Didn't we already have the Qatar gp?
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gimi
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>>150707105
Love it. I just hate how wide and long it is. But apart from that, I think it looks great
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>>150713070
Wait. I actually was wrong about the dimensions of the car. Now I love it because it isn’t as wide or along as I thought. 9/10.
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>>150713117
It looks like an uglier Sp3
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>>150708424
When was the last time a full time F1 driver ran a race in a different series mid season?
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>>150713169
Bearman has done it like six times this year
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>>150713169
Alonso 2017 Indy 500
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>>150713132
Personally I like the “straight” design of it. It’s definitely not a design that will age as good as the 90s testarossa but I’d rather own this than a toy-looking Lamborghini or a boring McLaren
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>>150708424
Finally some good fucking racing.
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>>150713181
who
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goblando sucks
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>>150713181
He said F1 driver.
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Good night everyone.

*tucks you in and read you your least favourite bedtime story*
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>>150713589
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>>150713017
November.
The sandbox races are objectively all the same, though.
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>>150712872
>The F80 is supposed to be a tribute to the F40
Looks nothing like it. If I didn't already know that's what it's supposed to be, I would never guess it's related to the F40 in any way.
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>>150708357
RB copied Mclel wheel design, looks like it works
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>>150708357
mclel when behind max is the funniest thing ever

they just shart bad decisions
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMQV4YXBU6w
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>>150714000
hell yeah dude
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>>150707105
About damn time Ferrari makes a new car that actually looks like a Ferrari
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>>150714000
Let's fucking go!
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>>150714000
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>track limits
Yeah that's going to be penal
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wawaweewa
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Where's he goin'?
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just let Juan and his amigos waddle home
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Take that scooter!!!
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>i didn't do nothing foo, day didn't tell you?
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lapd is a fucking joke lol
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dude just left from the dodgers game leave him be we finally got some wins
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LETS GO ADELAIDE CROWS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>150708531
>But he reasonably should, on occasion
And he has, multiple times finished above him, but not at times when they had enough pace to challenge for podiums
>If they just had a 80/20 split, Hamilton would have gotten one of Leclerc's podiums, or just even have capitalized on the McLarens' errors. Like others have
How would he have gotten one of lerclerc's podiums if he can't beat Leclerc and the team isn't regularly on the podium? How would you capitalize on mistakes when the Mclaren has only given up 5 podium spots out of 32 possible
>You do not have to be better or as good as Leclerc to beat him sometimes
You do in fact have to be better at someone to beat them
>just need to be not much worse
He has one of the lowest Qualifying deltas to a teammate, and was trailing Leclerc in points up till few races ago.
>Not getting a single podium when your teammate has a handful of podiums IS a measure of quality. Which is what this statistic, at least in part, reflects.
>Again, you prove that you know very little about F1 history.
You mean getting a podium during this era where 90% of the podiums go to 2 non-ferrari teams is as challenging as getting a podium in the era where 70% of the drivers DNF'd and the rest who weren't ferrari or on the podium finished 10 laps down? Educate me how these GOATs did it
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Papaya rules be like
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>>150714123
Why didn't Oscar just refuse?
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>>150714125
probably because he thinks he can beat him regardless and doing this will make him easy to tard wrangle in future seasons
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why weren't medshitters bitching this much last year in hungary where the exact same fucking thing happened but with the roles reversed
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In hungary mclaren put lando on a strategy that specifically undercut piastri

In monza mclaren asked lando if he wanted to pit first or second, lando chose to go second because he was gambling that a safety car might come around, it didn't and lando got screwed by his own risky choice but that gamble was saved by mclaren making piastri swap to save little lando
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deal with it based bois
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>>150714131
why didn't papaya rules apply in silverstone when Oscar specifically asked for the place back after losing first place because of an unfair penalty no one on the team agreed with?
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>>150709749
>Cars have changed, and the drivers with them. You cannot compare them, let alone say one group is inherently better than the other, when they're each better at completely different things.
This is cope. Cars don't suddently start defying laws of physics and change the fundemental driving techniques required when they get faster. This is why you can put a shitter like Ericsson or Grosjean into a slower class and he will destroy the field. If anything the current cars are much much harder to drive on the ragged edge discounting the fear of death because you're not driving a shitbox that kills you if you hit a bump
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>>150714170
COME BACK LANDO
LETS RACE LIKE MEN
>he doesn't come back
lel
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>>150714172
you really think the babies who need a guy on the radio to tell them what buttons on the steering wheel to press mid race could handle a car from fifteen years ago let alone fifty?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Xg4Fr9SY04
Good fucking luck
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>>150714188
>you think the people who drive cars that are twice as fast and powerful could drive a slow revving low power low grip car
yes, and they'd do it a lot better
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>>150714206
the same guys who cried and begged for the race to be delayed during Spa this year because it was raining?
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>>150714223
driving a 200bhp 500kg car isnt some superhuman racing feat you think. you can get the same experience with some modern kit car. as it turns out when you drive a car that's twice as fast over a lap the marging of error shrinks respectively and the car becomes less predictable.
>the same guys who cried and begged for the race to be delayed during Spa this year because it was raining?
this happens because the cars actually generate downwash and throw liters of air into air per second and you literally can't see the track.
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>>150714240
>you literally can't see the track.
this has always been the case for wet races you sperg
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>>150714256
slower + little to no downwash + worse wet tyres = less water thrown up, it's a solved science
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>>
I am looking for a job don't you know about any open position?
I am a 40 years old
Still a virgin
Living with my parents
Small kids and women are unconformable around me
I am powerhungry and LOVE feeling of power no matter of how small
Just like F1 track marshals I don't mind working for free

Work experience:
Already moderating 3 discord and 2 roblox servers

Could any of you recommend me something?
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>>150714369
mclaren front left needs another lad
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>>150714170
>unfair penalty
source?
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>>150714369
Welcome to McLaren, bloke.
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>>150714384
being a retard under SC under heavy rain isn't his fault if he kills the grid behind him, bro
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Azerbaijan next
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>>150714420
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>>150714420
>even the straight girls are dressing like lesbians now
What’s going on?
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>>150714435
goyim virtue signaling, they know ((they)) are coming and it's just a matter of time so they are pre-emptively seeking favor with their new overlords
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>>150714427
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>>150714483
Fuck, I just realized she needs a nose job
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Elf women
Elf lubricants
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anyone here in the know why drs was introduced?
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>>150714492
Sorry sir, forbidden information.
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>>150714435
the consequences of the industrial revolution have been a disaster for the human race
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>>150714492
Medshitter couldn't get past a backmarker
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what happened to elf
looks wrong seeing eni on alpeenis this year
renault/alpine-elf-michelin is THE combo. No wonder they are SHIT
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>>150714519
they got shelved
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even castrol doesn't look right on renault
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Jensen butthole
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got gaped
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gm
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>>150714654
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>>150714678
wuff
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>>150714678
I feel so fucking bad for Lecuck's dog. He is just a fucking accessory to them
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>>150714712
>inb4 anon dognaps leo or roscoe
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>>150714712
Leclerc just need to replace her
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>>150714120
>How would he have gotten one of lerclerc's podiums if he can't beat Leclerc and the team isn't regularly on the podium?
I thought we'd been over this? The team is on the podium regularly. Leclerc finished 5 races in the top-3 so far. That is about a third of all the times he could have.
That Hamilton can't beat Leclerc is a driver issue, not a car issue.
>How would you capitalize on mistakes when the Mclaren has only given up 5 podium spots out of 32 possible
Like Kimi Antonelli did in Canada, for example. Or how Leclerc and Russell have repeatedly: By being consistent and waiting for those mistakes to happen. That's the real problem: Hamilton is not at all consistent.
>You do in fact have to be better at someone to beat them
You do not. Drivers beating each other tends to go both ways in a team. Over the course of the season, one driver most often tends to come out on top, yet he still gets beaten a few times by his (generally worse) teammate.
>He has one of the lowest Qualifying deltas to a teammate, and was trailing Leclerc in points up till few races ago.
Which brings us back to him just being bad, this season at least. And the statistic of him needing longer than almost anybody else for a podium in a Ferrari does seem like a good representation/indicator of that, does it not? Because, as you just argued, had he been better, he'd have had a much better chance of already having scored a podium.
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>>150714120
>where 90% of the podiums go to 2 non-ferrari teams
Again, you're using this strange x/48 metric that makes no sense. A third of all "podiums" [sic.] will always go to non-Ferrari teams according to your method. And Ferrari has had worse seasons than this one, going by number of podium finishes.
>where 70% of the drivers DNF'd
That was never the case over a whole season, and very rarely ever in a single race. Plus, if 70% of the drivers randomly DNF, that means that you (as a specific driver) also have a chance to DNF in 70% of the races (assuming relative equality between car reliability). That will in turn impact your number of podium finishes negatively.
>the rest who weren't ferrari or on the podium finished 10 laps down
You really need to educate yourself on this topic, anon. Not even hyperbole can excuse this claim.
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>>150714727
At least Lewis loves roscoe and his relationship with him seems organic. Leclerc and his GFs relationship with Leo seems so fake
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>>150714735
>>150714738
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>>150714727
I'm unironically planning this
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>>150714753
do you intend to ask for ransom to the amount of lets say.. 100x annual jannie wage?
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>>150714752
Call me a fool, but I hang on to the sliver of hope that he'll leave this exchange a slight bit more educated. Maybe even stop having AI make up his mind for him at some point.
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Uh oh NARB? LULU?
What's our response?
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>>150714777
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*kills /f1/'s narrative*

what now, chuds?
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>>150714830
not my problem
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>>150714794
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remember that time when the race was such a slurper that half the posters in the thread started posting goon material?
good times
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>>150714849
uhh which time.. haha..
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>>150714849
which half?
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>>150714854
on sunday

>>150714860
the based half
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>>150714860
>>150714849
nah it was funny after like lap 5 when max took over and his just gained .10 every lap on lando until it was like +6

then everyone started posting goon shit (defs not me tho.. im a good boy)
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>>150714770
I don't intend to return leo
roscoe I will just set free
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>>150714885
>roscoe I will just set free
use an exit bag, it's more humane
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>absolute garbage of a thread in the middle of a post-race week
been a while since /f1/ had one of those

Alaia Rosberg
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>>150714901
>middle
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>>150714890
...no
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>>150714901
The nonce of Negreni
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>>150714830
Why can't he stop on the mark?
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>>150714975
Much of the car's feedback is transmitted to the driver through the bum and Lando's bottom is damaged.
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>>150714735
>I thought we'd been over this? The team is on the podium regularly. Leclerc finished 5 races in the top-3 so far. That is about a third of all the times he could have.
That's not "regularly on the podium", that's "occasionally on the podium".
>That Hamilton can't beat Leclerc is a driver issue, not a car issue.
It's both a car issue and having a strong teammate issue. I asked you to find me all the seasons where the drivers on your list had to contend with either of these challenges and so far you haven't brought me a single season and simply try to distract from it time and time again to cry to teacher about Hamilton taking your lunch money.
>Like Kimi Antonelli did in Canada, for example
Great example. Let's see how Kimi is doing in the stats that matter.. Hmm... Oh right, he's 1/3 the points of Russell. He's outqualified him once to Hamilton's 4. He's outperformed him in sprint races 0 times to Hamilton's 1, in sprint quali 0 times to Hamilton's 2 and he's HANDSOMELY leading the DNF statistic as well over his teammate.
>b-b-b-b-but m-muh 7 times WDC vs rookie
Your argument was that Hamilton is much worse, yet how come Antonelli who's 1/3 of Russell in the WDC has a podium?
>By being consistent and waiting for those mistakes to happen
But Lewis is right behind Charles in the WDC, and an average finishing position, correct me if I'm wrong, less than 1 position down from Leclerc?
>Hamilton is not at all consistent.
He has the same DNF count as Leclerc as well.
>needing longer than almost anybody else for a podium in a Ferrari does seem like a good representation/indicator of that, does it not?
KEK you basically had to ignore the example classification I gave you to cry about this, or did you post this post before you read it and then retroactively tried to cope about it? Tell me how the logic of ferrari dominating vs. not dominating somehow doesn't affect the ease of getting a podium KEKEKEKEKEKEKKEKEKEKE
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You either become a Max Verstappen and rape everyone in F1 or become a Nicklas Nielsen and rape everyone in endurance
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>>150714987
narb lowkey having a great season
shame its overshadowed by the papaya cheaters
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>>150714738
>Again, you're using this strange x/48 metric that makes no sense. A third of all "podiums" [sic.] will always go to non-Ferrari teams according to your method
What the fuck are you talking about? All 3 of all podiums go out exactly even across all the teams. It's not difficult to understand. Ferrari has 5 podiums out of 32. By the end they have X out of 82 or whatever, and the minimum amount of non ferrari podiums is 82-5 so if chuck gets 0 podiums from now till the end and hamilton 0 then ferrari has 0.05 average podiums per race
>Plus, if 70% of the drivers randomly DNF, that means that you (as a specific driver) also have a chance to DNF in 70% of the races (assuming relative equality between car reliability)
why would you assume relative reliability in this age out of all you big fucking dummy
>You really need to educate yourself on thistopic, anon. Not even hyperbole can excuse this claim.
KEK KEK KEK you are constantly trying to say that while you are practically having to ignore the fact that your entire cope is based on refusing to believe 2025 ferrari is having on average a shit season to the average ferrari season.
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>>150715016
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>>150714996
naming your son Senna is lame
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>>150715025
apparently a member of the mid night racing team named one of his kids "tarbo" which is how japanese people say turbo
passion seems silly from the outside
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>>150714984
Is that also why Lewis is on the downward spiral since 2021?
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>>150715062
maybe, but what about before 2021?
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>>150715068
Carried by car?
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>Wolf Zimmermann and Lars Schmidt
There's no way these two are not Audi sleeper agents with those names.
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>>150715038
>not fd3s
so close to greatness
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>>150715038
yeah but at least he's not named Savile or Glitter
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>>150715101
keyed
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>>150714987
>That's not "regularly on the podium", that's "occasionally on the podium".
A third of the time is pretty damn regular. Verstappen isn't much higher with his 7 podiums. Where do you even draw the line?
>I asked you to find me all the seasons where the drivers on your list had to contend with either of these challenges
Well, I don't know whom you'd consider a strong teammate other than Laclerc himself, so we'll have to limit it to him. That means we can only look at the seasons 2019 to now. For having a weak car, that's again hard to gauge. But let's use the thing that we're talking about right now: Capability to score podiums (measured by counting).
In that case, 2020 was a much worse car than the current Ferrari, with only 3 podiums. Vettel scored one of them, so he did better than Hamilton under worse conditions.
2021 had 5 podiums, which is equal to this season up until now, possibly worse by the end. Sainz had the strong teammate Leclerc, but somehow managed to score four of those five podiums. So maybe we should say Leclerc was the one in a bad position and did better than Hamilton?
There are of course way worse seasons car-wise in the past. But without knowing your criteria for having a strong teammate, we can't go further back than Leclerc.
>Let's see how Kimi is doing in the stats that matter.
So you're saying that he's performing worse than Hamilton compared to their respective teammates. Yet earlier you blamed Leclerc being too strong on Hamilton's lack of podiums. Apparently Russell is both a stronger teammate than Leclerc, but not strong enough to keep his teammate of the podium like Leclerc does. Interesting.
>how come Antonelli who's 1/3 of Russell in the WDC has a podium?
I told you: Maximizing on the mistakes of others.
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>>150714771
you are talking to a bot you dumb autistic retard
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>>150714794
UwU
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>>150715196
you are talking to a bot you dumb autistic retard
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>>150714987
>right behind Charles in the WDC
Irrelevant for what we're talking about
>less than 1 position down from Leclerc
Leclerc average: 5.0
Hamilton average: 6.5
That's more than 1. And Hamilton's finishes range between the occasional 4th (3 times) to 12. Leclerc basically has one bad result with a very unlucky 14th. Leclerc's third worst result (when he finished) is basically Hamilton's average.
>had to ignore the example classification I gave you
Wut?

>>150715016
>What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm talking about how your method makes no practical sense and seems to be tailored to making all teams look worse in terms of podium finishes than they are by a factor of between 0.33 and 0.67.
>why would you assume relative reliability in this age
Because all teams had relatively equal poor reliability. Not the exact same, sure. But it's not as if Ferrari was always among the most reliable. Look at 1980.
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>>150715203
>you dumb autistic retard
no u
i have hope it's the germoid who also is autistic about japanese pronunciation
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>>150715196
He's frankly too stubborn for a bot.
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>>150715212
you're a bot
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>>150715215
No, you're a bot.
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>>150710317
gay
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>>150715209
Impressive, very nice. Now let's see Red Bull's second driver.
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i don't care for george
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i'm reading about the atomic spies again
almost all of them were jewish
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total death to mclaren, mercedes and hamilton
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>>150714128
I bet he's not wrong thinking that. Lando Poopis will bottle every other chance he has himself. But PS3 didnt have a great race in Monza tho

>>150714148
I'd really like to see what Webber thinks bout it. He experienced the same and I guess he wont take it too easy. But I dont know if he made any comments after Monza. If things go to far by the end of season, I wouldn't be surprised if Oscar makes a sudden swap to Mercedes. Toto got too mad at >gimi recently.
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dog thread >>150713948
from https://x.com/salsichinhas/status/1879925100792926365
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>>150715038
>apparently a member of the mid night racing team named one of his kids "tarbo" which is how japanese people say turbo
>passion seems silly from the outside
that's not that unusual, i've heard turbo was used as child name already years ago
Honestly given the stupid names celebs give their kids its not even that bad
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>>150715190
>Well, I don't know whom you'd consider a strong teammate other than Laclerc himself,
I mean from your list. Can you summarize the seasons of let's say, 10 drivers from the 50s thru 70s and see how their ferrari seasons on average compared to the current. I'll even let you use AI that you're so scared of if you lack the expertise and education in grand prix racing like you claimed you possess.
>Yet earlier you blamed Leclerc being too strong on Hamilton's lack of podiums
Russell also won a race when Antonelli got his podium, could it be that they had a strong car since they scored a double podium with a driver who's currently a regular backmarker?
>Yet earlier you blamed Leclerc being too strong on Hamilton's lack of podiums
How many times did Antonelli steal a podium from Russell? You pulled up this 20-80 ratio and so far this doesn't manifest in Antonell.
>Apparently Russell is both a stronger teammate than Leclerc, but not strong enough to keep his teammate of the podium like Leclerc does. Interesting.
He didn't keep his teammate off the podium, it was a double podium.
>I told you: Maximizing on the mistakes of others.
Is he also maximizing his own mistakes? Seems so. Also why isn't he capitalizing (since that's the word I assume you mean) on the mistakes of others more often to score more points?

>>150715207
>Irrelevant for what we're talking about
How?
>Wut?
>>150714120
Was it not your cope that the old GOATs weren't just a bunch of shitters driving shitboxes while the top 3 could finish a minute apart and still get on podium and that Hamilton isn't better than a driver who finishes 40sec below P1 and still gets a podium? This is why i want you so badly to start digging up the seasons and actually realize in real time how big of shitters most of these drivers were in comparison to the modern drivers.
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>German autism vs "Finnish" autism
a battle for the ages
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>>150715207
>I'm talking about how your method makes no practical sense
but you didn't illustrate in your 1st reply, you were just getting confused about some "third of the podiums" shit. a driver can only get 1 podium per race so whatever you're confused about doesn't matter and the average podiums a car scored stays the same
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>Audi+Adidas+ red, black and a bit of white as signature colors
Either we are returning to pure german racism or Audi is catering to the abanian market
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>>150715250
>I'd really like to see what Webber thinks bout it. He experienced the same and I guess he wont take it too easy
I don't think Wobbler's and Pastry's situations are 1:1 comparable besides the obvious similarities, also Webber even acknowledged he played his wrong back then
He was overly dramatic/ emotional, at least in Nui's account, Piastri seems much smarter, keeping his cards closer to his chest in comparison
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>>150715354
Albanians are more into Mercedes’s with fucked up locks and steering wheel on the right side
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>>150704720
VPN melty
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>>150715332
>10 drivers from the 50s thru 70s
I'm not going to go through the whole history of the sport in this fucking thread. Read their fucking wikipedia articles if you want that.
>how their ferrari seasons on average compared to the current
Again, you prove that you know nothing about the history of the sport if you think you can just directly compare those seasons. Or that a 16-race record could have been achieved within the span of a single season back in the 50s.
And, no, the sport being different back then does not mean the drivers were worse.
>could it be that they had a strong car
Sure. Could it be that Ferrari also have a strong car, given that only one of their drivers does underperform while the other gets podiums?
>How many times did Antonelli steal a podium from Russell?
Why would he need to "steal" a podium? Why would Hamilton need to when there are other opportunities to finish top-3?
>He didn't keep his teammate off the podium
Exactly. That's what I said.
>Is he also maximizing his own mistakes?
Irrelevant. He was ready to score a podium when it mattered. Hamilton was not, and also is very error-prone.
>How?
Points tallies depend too much on things entirely unrelated to podium finishes. It's not the same metric.
>Was it not your cope
No. And you REALLY need to educate yourself on the topic already.
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>>150715250
>But PS3 didnt have a great race in Monza tho

All he really has to do is play it safe and he's a world champion in his third season. He's too smart to throw that away.
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>>150707105
What is that front
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>>150715481
They are tripling down on the 12cilindri look
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>>150706876
>Sometimes the jokes write themselves.
what's the joke?
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>>150715496
women
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>I'm not going to go through the whole history of the sport in this fucking thread. Read their fucking wikipedia articles if you want that.
Thanks, I was just doing that.
>Again, you prove that you know nothing about the history of the sport
Did you say something about 70% of the drivers not finishing, or finishing one lap down and getting a podium not being the norm? Seems very much so. Can I call into question your historiographical expertise on the phenomenon known as Formula 1 racing? Or racing in general, since you don't understand the difference in the ease of getting a podium when you are *one lap* faster than the other drivers? Or what you simply get on the podium if you finish a race without crashing?
>Could it be that Ferrari also have a strong car
A strong car that hasn't won a single race? Hmm. Bad luck or Leclerc is just shit, must be.
>Why would he need to "steal" a podium?
Because he didn't actually need to beat Russell to get on the podium. Do I also need to tell you that to win a race you must win it?
>Why would Hamilton need to when there are other opportunities to finish top-3?
Again we're talking about the specific example you pulled up, Russell and Antonelli on the podium. Your hypothesis for why a driver who's 1/3 the points of the lead driver, very error prone, and currently a backmarker, simply having more skill to capitalize on opportunities than the 7 time WDC Hamilton, instead of sheer dominant race pace that enabled the car to win and also score a double podium is not a convincing one.
>Exactly. That's what I said.
He didn't "keep" him off the podium since he didn't finish P3 while Antonelli finished P4, he *won*, aka finished P1. Last spot on the podium is P3, not P1.
>Hamilton was not, and also is very error-prone.
I can sense your desperation. Antonelli currently stands as the most error prone driver, with the most DNFs due to unforced errors. Even Leclerc has had more incidents this year than Hamilton.
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>>150715439
>Points tallies depend too much on things entirely unrelated to podium finishes. It's not the same metric.
Your initial cope was that Hamilton is much worse than Leclerc, but they have a smaller WDC points delta, and Hamilton doesn't get ruthlessly destroyed in h2h stats like Antonelli does. Are you saying to get on the podium requires a different sort of skillset than finishing as high as possible as consistently as possible? By any logic, it should be the same skillset that enables podiums since you have to consistent and high up in the running to get a chance at a podium to begin with. This is just another instance of your copes becoming more and more apparent the more desperate you get since it's a lot less complicated and simpler to explain by Antonelli who is a shitter having a freak pole since if he wasn't a shitter he wouldn't be 1/3 the points and leading in unforced errors the way he is, while Ferrari just hasn't had the raw race pace like Merc at canada.
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>>150715344
you meant to say AIDS, but you're a gentle anon and toned it down, kudos
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>>150715543
>Seems very much so
It literally doesn't. Not even in your cherrypicked examples. Do you know how much 70% is?
>the ease of getting a podium when you are *one lap* faster than the other drivers?
Funny how you assume that Ferrari was always the one that was among the faster competitors.
>Or what you simply get on the podium if you finish a race without crashing?
Kek. You seem to lack common sense as well.
>A strong car that hasn't won a single race?
Yes. Believe it or not, but during a dominance, some strong cars don't win races.
>Because he didn't actually need to beat Russell to get on the podium.
Just like Hamilton would not have needed to beat Leclerc to get there either on quite a few occasions (Australia, Saudi, Canada, Netherlands all had only one McLaren on the podium. Also, technically China since Leclerc was disqualified, but so was Hamilton.)
>simply having more skill to capitalize on opportunities than the 7 time WDC Hamilton
Yes. This much is evident by him doing so.
>He didn't "keep" him off the podium
Exactly. We are in agreement over this. Not sure why you keep repeating it as if I disagreed with you on that.
>Antonelli currently stands as the most error prone driver, with the most DNFs due to unforced errors.
And Hamilton stands as the soon-to-be worst Ferrari driver ever. Let's wait and see whether Antonelli will even get the chance to compete for that honour.
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>>150715615
there no real 'they' there though
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>they're still gooning
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>>150715565
>but they have a smaller WDC points delta
Again, points don't tell the whole story. Not even half of it.
>Hamilton doesn't get ruthlessly destroyed in h2h stats
He quite literally does. LEC-HAM is, right now, 12-2. And that's if we're being generous to Hamilton and go purely with finishing positions.
>finishing as high as possible as consistently as possible?
That's what absolute points represent. Points margins however do not. They reflect the relative strenght of the competition as a whole more than a driver pairing, and take a good amount of chance into account. (The latter is also true for absolute points.)

It's also quite funny that you think that I need to defend Antonelli for some reason, when the only instance I brought him up was to explain how it is in fact very much possible to finish on podium without beating your teammate this season, contrary to your claims.
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>"It was like an Instagram feed, but with photos that were a little more risqué, a bit more sexualised, nothing crazy, and I was like 'I can do that'," she said.
oh my fucking keks
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>>150715638
Pretty much everyone did, anon.
It was a bit overshadowed by the McLaren team order drama (or the lack thereof).
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>>150715644
>Its just a bit off boob nothing more
>Oh just a bit of ass haha
>Oh he just paid for my pussy ahha
>Oh my boyfriend wants to help out haha
>Oh its just the tip in the ass haha
>Oh its just two guys haha
>Oh johnny sins called lol
>Oh blacked called haha oops... its just bit more risque~~
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>>150715653
the belle delphine model
I've seen it work for quite a few people
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>>150715209
generational talent btw
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>>150715670
don't you dare speak about my Princess Belle like that
my daughter idolized her since Belle appeared online
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>>150715670
Surprised Amouranth still hasn't done a real dick on cam
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>>150715608
Those weren't cherrypicked, they were the first names from the list you posted that I looked up on wikipedia that got on the podium in their 1st race. You're not even daring to check wikipedia since you know I'm right. Your every cope so far that is irrelevant to the OP I've managed to make you kvetch about that you're trying to avoid going into. Like the whole cope about half the grid being shitters driving shitboxes that would get instantly slapped with a DNS in 2025.
>Yes. Believe it or not, but during a dominance, some strong cars don't win races.
The strong car cope you're making is specifically in context to Merc winning a race. Check mate :^)
>Just like Hamilton would not have needed to beat Leclerc to get there either on quite a few occasions (Australia,
He finished P10 that race, P8 behind Leclerc, yes he would have needed to beat Leclerc to get the podium unless Leclerc simply parked his car and let Hamilton drive past him. And even then he'd be 8th, on a track where overtaking is generally difficult and cars were on their final stint and ferrari lacked pace to the point they lost to a sauber.

At this point, you are just desperately grasping for straws. I want to hear new copes besides
>ferrrari is actually a strong car this season bro
>leclerc has 5 podiums but they're all P3s (and one P2) but that's irrelevant because I don't want to think about it
>hamilton is worse than drivers who compete among shitters that are allowed to finish 7 laps down on regular
>the GOATs from the 1950s weren't actually shitters who mostly drove for sport they were DA REAL PROS (btw i won't demonstrate or elaborate they just are, apples to oranges bro!)
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>amouranth
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>>150715749
in talk for english??
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>>150714996
>be named Iskender (Alexander)
kek, nice Turkish name
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>>150715634
>Again, points don't tell the whole story. Not even half of it.
KEK not even an attempt at elaborating? Come on try at least.

Also don't cherry pick, you left out entire sentences on the table. Why aren't you addressing them?

>He quite literally does. LEC-HAM is, right now, 12-2.
Why would considering only finishing positions be generous? You obviously realize he has a low qualifying delta and thought it'd be a bad look for your stance. 4 times he's outqualified leclerc to his 12. He also outqualified him 2 to 0 in sq's, and is 1-0 in sprint wins. Those aren't comparable to Antonelli vs Russell deltas which you already tried to avoid by ignoring them in >>150714987
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Good morning, people!
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gimi
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Jamie Chadwick
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>>150715752
>>150715774
markorepairs motorsports F1 team
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>>150715729
>Those weren't cherrypicked
The "70%" race was. You might as well post Monaco 1996 for the memes. Oh, wait, that's way too late to support your narrative.
>The strong car cope you're making is specifically in context to Merc winning a race.
What are you even trying to say here?
>yes he would have needed to beat Leclerc to get the podium
No. They could easily both have made the podium, had they been faster. Like Mercedes in Canada.
>At this point, you are just desperately grasping for straws
That's rich, coming from you. How many goalposts removed from where this whole thing started are we now anyway? Right now you seem to be claiming a victory on the Sauber scoring a podium. Not sure how that has anything to do with what I said, or how it's supposed to make Hamilton's newest record any less embarrassing.
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>>150715794
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>anymore
>never had them
Which is it?
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>>150715773
>not even an attempt at elaborating?
I don't like repeating myself. See my prior posts where I went over this in detail.
>you left out entire sentences on the table
Because you're flooding your posts with bullshit. Now you complain about me filtering it out. A well known trolling technique, but way too transparent.
>Why would considering only finishing positions be generous?
Because we might as well start arguing WHY Hamilton finished higher in those races. Let's not go there.
>he has a low qualifying delta
>4 times he's outqualified leclerc to his 12
Kek. You really had the chuzpe to call 12-4 "low".
>sprint wins
No comment.
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>>150715834
(papaya) rules for thee but not for me
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>>150715834
The writers are doing a swerve. Fat Brown will betray Lando in the last race and reveal that he was on Oscar's side all along. Kinda like Mick Foley vs The Rock.
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>>150715886
Does that make Verstappen Stone Cold Steve Austin?
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I don't even know what they are talking about, is it another "Hamilton bad - hamilton good" discussion?
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>>150715886
>Fat Brown will betray Lando in the last race and reveal that he was on Oscar's side all along
How does the wallet that kept them afloat when McLaren were near bankruptcy respond?
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>>150715821
Let's see,

so this is the OP:
>You mean getting a podium during this era where 90% of the podiums go to 2 non-ferrari teams is as challenging as getting a podium in the era where 70% of the drivers DNF'd and the rest who weren't ferrari or on the podium finished 10 laps down? Educate me how these GOATs did it.

The hyperbole aside, the examples provided aren't cherry picked, they're the first results I pulled up. Go and look up 1950s and 1960s F1 seasons and see for yourself, or is opening a wikipedia more work than spending a day trying to convince people with high school math that the current season Ferrari is actually a competitive machine in comparison to the average Ferrari season especially in the early days, just not driven well enough meanwhile all the GOATs in the 50s/60s were just built different.
>Oh, wait, that's way too late to support your narrative.
My "narrative" which hasn't changed since my 1st post btw is the one you keep dancing around, which is pretending random shitters which most of that list are, are somehow better than Hamilton because they are "above" him on some list that is most likely AI generated, and acts as meaningless statistics for engagement farming on social media.
>What are you even trying to say here?
What are you confused about? Mercedes won the race with the car Russell scored a podium in. How many race wins does ferrari have since you're trying to use this comparison?
>No. They could easily both have made the podium, had they been faster
But... they weren't???? So is Ferrari now a strong car because you imagined it?
>That's rich, coming from you. How many goalposts removed from where this whole thing started are we now anyway?
KEK KEK KEK KEK your entire goalpost here is to ignore what my OP is stating, avoid elaborating or bringing up evidence to contradict it, then cry about Hamilton taking your lunch money every 2nd sentence while you hop between my points cherry picking the ones you like and don't like
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>>150715901
it's this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkgoSOSGrx4
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>>150715894
We shouldn't go down this road
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>>150715846
>I don't like repeating myself. See my prior posts where I went over this in detail.
I also addressed your retarded "points" but you simply chose to ignore it: >>150715565
>Again, points don't tell the whole story. Not even half of it.
How does that address any of it?
>Because you're flooding your posts with bullshit. Now you complain about me filtering it out. A well known trolling technique, but way too transparent.
You don't think your point being addressed warrants a response and call it trolling and bullshit? Speaking of moving goalposts, you brought up Antonelli's podium, while claiming Hamlton is "much worse than Leclerc" as the reason he hasn't scored podiums but ignored how Merc also had the fastest car that weekend, then came up with some bizarro "scoring podiums is actually a different skill than finishing higher up the order more consistently brah, Antonelli's just better even though he's P8 and Russell is P4" and now you're in this mess because you're failing to address it when copes you've hastily made up start falling down.
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>>150715846
>Kek. You really had the chuzpe to call 12-4 "low".
Delta doesn't mean what you think it does. But no, he does have a low average qualifying delta. One of the smaller ones in the field.
>No comment.
No comment, why? Do the drivers just not care about winning championship points so they all intentionally throw the result?
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someone should compile this argument so we can view with posterity who won
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>>150715922
>hyperbole aside
"Hyperbole aside" your whole claim gets reduced to what? That reliability overall was worse back then than it is now? That's trivial.
No, your hyperbole in this case was the very point: You could not just get a podium by finishing the race. And there certainly was never a time when Ferrari + at most three more drivers were "10 laps" (or even just "many laps") in front of everyone else over a whole season consistenty. Your claims were outlandish and implied that Ferrari dominated the 50s, 60s and 70s in both reliabilty and pace. This simply is not the case, and not supported by the race results you posted.
>with high school math
Believe it or not, but "high school math" is all you need to compare results.
And, yes, this season's Ferrari is not below Ferrari's average, looking at the results, particularly Leclerc's.
>are somehow better than Hamilton because they are "above" him on some list
They are most definitely better in that one regard. And they're below him in the list, not above.
Now, sure, we can debate whether that one trait (getting a podium) is worthwhile, but you seem to concentrate mostly on your outrage over them being "random shitters".
>that is most likely AI generated
Why would the list be AI-generated? You're projecting your methods of research onto others, who've been doing this stuff for decades long before AI was a thing.
>How many race wins does ferrari have
Why does that matter in regards to anything we're discussing here? My point was: A car does not need to win to be a strong car. How does another car winning affect that point? Right, it does not.
>But... they weren't????
True. But irrelevant. They had the chance to both be on the podium.
But, hey, if you really insist that we look at a race where Ferrari had the pace, let's look at Monaco. Leclerc got 2nd there, so Hamilton could have gotten a podium by matching what his teammate achieved. Yes, he'd need to beat one McLaren, but Leclerc managed.
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>>150715967
>you simply chose to ignore it
I quite literally did not, as anyone can see by just following the post chain.
>you brought up Antonelli's podium
I told you why, and in which specific context. Again, you try to strawman me into having to defend Antonelli.
>No comment, why?
Because you're the only one in here (or anywhere) who takes sprints seriously.
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>an avg Finn vs German argument
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holy shit they're still going at it
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J*nnies, Fingols and Germoids should be put into camps and tortured to death
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BREAKING NEWS
>BREAKING NEWS
BREAKING NEWS
>BREAKING NEWS
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No more brother wars
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>>150716155
What kind of mental illness do you have?
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>>150716155
>error spotted
No, no, you need to post two near-identical pictures to play that. Can't just post one picture and expect people to know what the supposed errors are.
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>>150716167
The kind of that makes me read AI slop from Facebook
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ITS UP ITS UP ITS UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCVQQt0Kd9U
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>>150716060
>"Hyperbole aside" your whole claim gets reduced to what?
To >>150715543, which you claimed was cherry picked, and thought best to ignore.
>That's trivial.
Not by the slightest, the current cars are extremely reliable in comparison, so it, along with reliability between manufacturers not being universal, becomes a valid argument.
>in front of everyone else over a whole season consistenty. Your claims were outlandish
Just open wikipedia bro. It's not that hard.
>b-b-b-b-but they're only 1 lap down!! that's not the same as 10 laps down!!! waaaah!!
kek, this is your stance now
>They are most definitely better in that one regard. And they're below him in the list, not above.
KEK you still haven't managed to figure what "above" means. Sometimes smaller number is better :^)
>Now, sure, we can debate whether that one trait (getting a podium) is worthwhile
You sure put a lot of value on it since you claimed that Antonelli exhibits this super sikrit talent for snatching podiums that nobody else has that has nothing to do with scoring more points consistently than the other guy.
>Why does that matter in regards to anything we're discussing here
because it means your car is the fastest, so it SHOULD have 2 cars on podium in the ideal situation. not 1 or 0
>A car does not need to win to be a strong car
You're the one who said this bro, I said that "mercedes won because it was a strong car" and then you went "nu-uh ferrari's strong too", so clearly you understand what my criteria for "strong" means here.
>True. But irrelevant.
How? Are you okay?
>They had the chance to both be on the podium.
They were running P10 and P8 on the final stint, on a track with hardly any overtaking opportunities. Dare I challenge your expertise on the matters of racing on this occasion?
>>150716076
>I quite literally did not
You did. Or did you think that calling my challenge of your retardation "trolling" was it? Why is snatching a podium some esoteric skill only Antonelli has?
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>no no it isn't spam at all
t. a retard
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sextuple j*nnie pay
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>>150716202
holy shit kill yourself you fucking loser god damn get a job that'll keep you busy
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Are we sure it's not just 1 guy again?
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>>150716251
so which should he do? kill himself or get a job?
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>>150716280
he should get a job MAIDing himself
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>>150716202
>which you claimed was cherry picked, and thought best to ignore.
Wait ... did I say it was cherrypicked or did I ignore it? Can't possibly have been both at the same time.
>Not by the slightest
Yes, and blatantly so. Everyone knows that cares used to be less reliable. Hence: Trivial.
Oh, wait ... you don't know what "trivial" means, do you?
>Just open wikipedia
You won't find wikipedia stating that Ferrari dominated three decades, no.
>1 lap down!! that's not the same as 10 laps down
Correct. You do realize that most of the time half of the field still finishes a lap down nowadays, right?
>you still haven't managed to figure what "above" means. Sometimes smaller number is better
The list is literally ordered from high number (on the top) to small number (on the bottom). Above refers to the position in the list, and Hamilton is LITERALLY above most others in that particular list. And, yes, that does not mean "better".
>you claimed that Antonelli exhibits this super sikrit talent
And once again you try to frame me as an Antonelli proponent. This is getting tiresome.
>because it means your car is the fastest
No. One race win does not mean that. You really need to either learn about this sport or at least apply some common sense.
>I said that "mercedes won because it was a strong car" and then you went "nu-uh ferrari's strong too"
I never said "nu-uh". I agree that Mercedes is among the stronger cars this season.
>How?
Because we were discussing possibilities, not outcomes. If we stick to outcomes, then of course Hamilton simply wasn't on a podium because he wasn't on a podium. For you that seems to be the same thing as "he never had a chance".
>They were running P10 and P8 on the final stint
Again: We are not discussing what was, we want to find out what could have been. They WERE bad, they COULD have been better.
>You did.
You really are stupid.
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J*nnies support this cancer
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>ferrrari is actually a strong car this season bro
>leclerc has 5 podiums but they're all P3s (and one P2) but that's irrelevant because I don't want to think about it
>hamilton is worse than drivers who compete among shitters that are allowed to finish 7 laps down on regular
>the GOATs from the 1950s weren't actually shitters who mostly drove for sport they were DA REAL PROS (btw i won't demonstrate or elaborate they just are, apples to oranges bro!)
>Antonelli is secretly the best podium scorer in modern F1 he's just inconsistent
>car that scores P1+P3 driven by a rookie is equally strong as a car that can only score P3+a freak P2
>sprints literally don't count even though they award WDC points
>going from P10&P8 to P2&P3 is a realistic goal for final stint for a midfield team in Melbourne
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>>150716347
(you) should apply
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>>150706621
These niggas are loadshedding and they think they can host a f1 race? dumb ass coons.
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>>150716359
Haha are you retarded
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Gotta have something wrong with you to go along with this crap
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best not make a new thread>>150716359
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>Janitor applications are now being accepted. Click here to apply.
races for this feel?
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manifesting marta garcia giving me a titwank
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>>150716358
>>leclerc has 5 podiums but they're all P3s (and one P2) but that's irrelevant because I don't want to think about it
Where are Hamilton's podiums
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>>150716471
The one closest to where you live, next year.
Probably Silverstone 2026 for you.
Applications for track marshal are now being accepted.
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I'll bake but only if these two go in the oven
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>>150716493
He won a sprint!!!
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>>150716544
Hell yeah! Those fucking losers in the 1950s never won a sprint!
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>>150716388
why is everything run through discord? I've never used it and I don't feel like I'm missing out
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>>150716590
Because Discord is bestgirl.
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>>150716275
you finally realized it
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>>150712383
come, have a beer
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>>150716649
They call me Checo "Minister of Defence" Perez
Nothing gets past me
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>>150716694
>Defence
It's "War" now, anon.
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>>150716748
They call me Checo Perez
I'm a bit slow
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>mfw
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>>150716388
Meh, a job's a job.
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Are we relenting?
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>>150717052
why is she looking at me like that?
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>>150716562
Winning a sprint in 2025 counts more than winning a race in 1950-1960s
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>>150717100
Mini race, not relevant.
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>>150717100
Yeah, you're totally not trolling. At all.
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>>150717052
if it'll shut the two autists up i'm all for it
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>>150717111
>not relevant.
neither are races in 50-60s
>>150717112
Yeah you got me, I actually also believe that podiums in the era when half the grid were hobbyists count.
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real human bean
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>>150717170
I hate DtS and what it did to this sport's fanbase.
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>>150717212
You could've written this as a Ted Kaczynski line but you chose not to. Sad
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>>150717202
pic unrelated
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(German and Finnish autists not allowed in)
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>>150717244
>Ted Kaczynski
We don't care about your US celebrities over here.
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>>150717212
>muh DTS
i tried watcing ep1 and some ep of the new series, couldnt finish either one both times i tried
maybe its time to stop overrating drivers just because they were le doing it early in the chronology
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>>150717325
You protest too much.
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>>150717350
maybe, but am i wrong?
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>>150717362
Yes.



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