>>151114791
Hahaha loser

>>151114791
Which position did you play?

>>151114916
defensive midfielder

>>151114946
CDM is arguably the most important position though

>>151114791
I would do the same. My Boy is not naturally gifted but we worked hard at it(I've almost given up a few times) and now he starts. He is by no means the best player on the team but im proud of what he has been able to accomplish.

Like Amorim and Højlund.

Did your dad get sacked?

>>151115048
Basado

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>>151114791
Real niggas played defence anyway
I was right-back (and shit). Horrible defender so literally anyone could dribble past me, but I was so fast I could overtake them again and force the ball from them

>>151114791
Being the son of the coach sucks. And coaching your son sucks as well. There's always going to be doubt. Either the dad is too nice to his son and puts him over the team, or the dad is too critical. It's hard to find the balance
But you not playing as striker doesn't have to man anything. Maybe it just wasn't your thing

I'm having an issue that vaguely relates to this. I coach the team at my kids primary school, so ages 7 to 11, because none of the teachers would do it and they wouldn't have a team otherwise. I bought the kits and shit too. Anyway, our county has 2 'leagues'. One is competitive, the other more 'everyone gets a turn'. That's mainly the younger kids and the year 5 and 6 kids who are shit or retarded. Now, my coaching of the competitive team has got a ton of criticism. We are well disciplined, play a strict formation, have set piece drills etc. Thing is, this translates to us winning by like 10 goals pretty often. It isn't uncommon for the other team to be crying at the end, and one team stopped halfway and refused to carry on. To be clear, my kids aren't great, we just have very thorough training.
Parents are generally pretty pissed off, staff at my school pissed off. Say it isn't in the spirit of the game, to which I say there's always the 'retard' league if they cant handle it. But still, pta at school are trying to get me to go away. Thing is, the kids on my team love it. They are happy, and even improving school work elsewhere, a few have apparently improved behaviour at home, too. Like a fucking hallmark movie. I am in the right to carry on, aren't I? Even my wife is saying i'm not, and I am begonning to doubt myself. My son is on the team, but he's reserve goalkeeper, so there's no nepotism or anything.

>>151114791
Did he shower with the team afterwards?

>>151123336
Read like a copypasta at First
It’s great that you are doing the work, and it is even greater that it works. You are doing everything right. Taking the foot off the gas is acceptable or even commendable, but not right away. A performance-based league is about performance after all, and it evidently works and helps your kids. The parents shouldn’t be mad. If you like doing what you are doing and want to keep on doing it, I suggest getting the support you can get from the kids themselves
I don’t want to sound like a boomer, but it’s true that there is some massive pussification going on. Everyone’s a winner, no one has to try. No real result comes from that. Your duty is improving the kids without harming them, and then actually giving your best and trying to win and risking to lose is what teaches them as well. So carry on in this sea of bitchness

>>151123489
Thanks, that helps. I agree about the pussification; i sucked at football at their age, but there was incentive and encouragement to improve. There isn't now. The kids are happy, I think you're right that showing that is probably the way to go. Thank you

>>151123336
Now you understand why Mourinho always gets into fights with the owners even when he’s delivering results kek

>>151123336
Keep at it. You're bringing a quality of life to the kids you manage in a world that's absolutely stupid.

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>>151118259
>Real niggas played defence
>limiting yourself to only side of the game
Why not play both?

t. midfield master race

>>151123356
Boomers used to do that but it no longer happens in burgerland

>>151123336
Never quit, anon. This is some Harrison Bergeron level shit. Make those kids even better. Fuck the school, fuck the PTA, fuck you wife. A rising tide lifts all ships and they should be grateful that someone is taking a stand against the ‘democratic’ mediocrity that pervades our societies.

>>151123672
I did play midfielder occasionally, but I always played more handball than footy anyway, so it didn't really bother me if I got the lesser experience, since football was just a side-piece.

>>151123560
No need to thank me
It is genuinely super important that kids 1) are physically active 2) get challenged 3) learn to give their best 4) compete with something on the line 5) work together to achieve the best results possible
You are doing the future generation a favor. You shouldn't get high on that, but it's dumb to scold you for it. As you've said, the others can play in the fun league if they don't want to face opposition that actually tries (and that's dumb already in my opinion). I assume you are teaching your kids to play fairly as well. Your team doesn't have to keep on going all out when the score already is 10:0, but that's about it
Have you given your perspective to one of your critics? If you're not a drill sergeant oppressing a superteam, but some guy wanting kids to give their best and improve as much as possible so that they can build confidence on top of other skills ... others must be retarded to not see it. It is your right to defend that. That being said: maybe making a few steps towards the moaners is smart, like a small compromise? Promising to be more sensible, and talking to the kids about the problem while letting some coming opponents get away a bit more unscathed? I don't know. In terms of pure communication strategy, going 100% wall mode probably won't help

>>151123336
If the kids you're teaching are enjoying it and having fun, then continue.

>>151123336
The only thing that matters is your kid and by extension your kid’s team.

>>151123336
If you aren't pressuring your team too hard and if you are placing value on them playing fairly and being kind to opponents, then you are doing everything right in trying to maximize their performance - assuming the kids like it as well
You don't have to demolish every opponent until the last second, but you are not obliged to play along with the "everyone gets a cookie" mindset. Actually valuing effort is better for the kids as well, I am sure of it

>>151115004
Not in kids football tho, there is no structure there
It's just about getting the ball to the talented kids up front and letting them cook

>>151123336
I have a different perspective.
As a kid/teen, I was on the team winning every match by double digits. I don't think it's gonna be a problem with your age range of kids, but as you get older the lack of challenge can be quite boring. Couple that with 1-2 hour car rides to get to away matches and it can get stale quick, though I'm unsure if this'll be a problem in a populous country like the UK. Might be a Norway thing.
Either way, have you looked into letting them play 'above their level', ie. with older kids? Could be nice for both a change of pace and a challenge, should it be possible. You might get the faculty and parents partially off your ass too

>>151123336
YTA
downvoted

>>151123336
>My son is on the team, but he's reserve goalkeeper, so there's no nepotism or anything.
Prioritize your son, make it play sometimes, it's YOUR FUCKING SON, what the fuck is up with bongs

>>151124111
To continue with my personal, similar experience in a long rant:

I teach in an individual sport. Everyone is welcome, we don't force people to compete (but we encourage them, it is a valuable experience). Performance greatly diverges between kids, and so does focus. Some kids are relatively unmotivated, some just aren't very talented, but it's okay, just give your best and we will try to challenge you within your parameters.
We have normal training groups and an "elite" group for the kids who are more focused/ambitious and also good. It covers multiple age groups. No one is forced to enter, it's for kids who want in and show fitting performance. Training there isn't boot camp, but dedicated work on a pretty high level simply because motivation and talent are there.
These kids are excelling at their sport, they have built plenty of healthy confidence, a lot of these skills translate well into other aspects of life: I genuinely believe they are more focused and disciplined than most other kids their age, more mature. But they're still kids, and they are having fun. They aren't unnecessarily cocky or mean to others when they compete.
But we often have parents (of kids from other clubs) complain - they get mad their kids got trounced, they imply we're destroying the fun, they imply we drill them. These kids are just giving their best after having worked for it on their own accord. I don't get it. Fortunately, other parents understand: it's okay as long as you give your best and as long as no one is unfair to the other. Losing is part of learning, just give your best and do better next time. You don't have to win at all cost. But if you want to get better, then work for it as hard as you can. No shame in that. It applies to everyone, and not only in sports. Why brake out those who can and want to put in more?

>>151124150
If his kids a keeper and they're winning by 10+ every match he's not gonna see any real play, on or off the pitch

>>151124150
Being coach of your own kid is very ungrateful. As a dad, he wants his son to play. But as the coach, he can't put his son over another kid who might be better. Being keeper is worst since you can't reasonably switch them like infield players
He's not doing anything wrong as a coach by having his son be the reserve, but he can't fully win in this scenario. You have to trust that he's not keeping his son at absolutely zero playtime, I'm sure he's working with him normally

>Be good at “soccer”
>Decide to be goalkeeper
>Coach tells me I shouldn’t because I was good playing forward
>Decide to play GK instead
>Suck at it but decide to keep on playing GK
>Eventually get bored of being GK
>Try being a field player again
>Completely suck

>>151123336
>Parents are generally pretty pissed off, staff at my school pissed off. Say it isn't in the spirit of the game, to which I say there's always the 'retard' league if they cant handle it.
kek

>>151114791
we had a nepotistic coach

>>151114791
Bro i was a centerback because I was so bad. I was the shortest guy on the team too.

I was actually pretty fucking good as a kid, always playing between midfield/striker. Sigh now i'm 32 and my back hurts, i can't run without getting out of breath, My feet get al tangled up when running with the ball. Getting old sucks lads.

>>151114791
That's the KWABiest post I have ever seen.

I was the mvp of a sports team that lost every game. my parents were so proud of me since i was the only member of the family who played sports

>>151124599
>i can't run without getting out of breath, My feet get al tangled up when running with the ball. Getting old sucks lads.
>32
this is not getting old, but probably lifestyle, maybe caused by modern way of life like sitting in an office all the time (then at home), eating some shitty instant food etc.
start eating healthier, quit smoking/drinking if you do, and become more physically active
you're talking like you're 70
it's not normal that you have no energy at 32

>>151114791
I just had to scrape any rival kid trying to pass me without getting a red card, at least during first half. Never cared about the ball, neither did the coach

>>151123336
come to zamalek

I was a fattie, so it was always goalie for me...

>>151124579
CB is a big guy position tho, you should have said that to your brainlet coach and ask for midfield, the actual most fun to play position.

>>151125651
It's that incel lifestyle m8, plus some ocassional depression, i smoke quite a Lot of weed, etc

I was quite good at football and I always found it funny how people that never played football struggle to control or pass a football

>>151123336
NONCE ALERT

>>151123336
>kids
>pta
>hallmark movie
FOY

>>151123336
The armchair coaches here hold the opinion that you shouldn't focus on tic tacs and formations too young and let them play chaosball to better develop individual skills and awareness but I don't shit about these things

>>151123962 >>151124111
Yes, they do play fairly. They don't celebrate goals excessively beyond number 5, just clap each other, pat on the back at most. They know to be respectful. I insisted that they have to shake the opposition's hands after the game, and all of the other teams do that against each other now, to be fair. A small thing, I know, but I am really proud of them. Solid advice though, especially about not just putting a wall up
>>151124113
Hadn't considered that, it's a really good idea

>>151124150
>>151124321
>>151124379
It's a school team. My kid is year 4, first choice keeper is year 6. That's the final year of primary school for Bongs, so my kid is about to take over as first choice keeper for the next two years. He does get some game time now, though

Good advice from everyone here, thanks a lot guys

>>151127189
Add them to a cup tournaments that are more challenging. Use spare reserve players in the league and rest the main ones for the cup games.

>>151127217
Good luck and best of success, mate. I‘d actually like to hear how things develop for you and the kids

When I played youth football the CB and FB were just the kids who were willing to break some bones to prevent the 8-2 from happening.

>>151127330
For us the CB's were the lanklets who didnt make striker.
The FB's were the manlets who didnt make winger.

>>151123336
Tell the kids to do ear cupping/fingers in ears goal celebrations to bait the Mumsnet freaks and the PTA

>>151127330
I didn't care for footy but I got in as a cb for the sole purpose of hurting this one kid I didn't like, of course he did a number on me in training but I gave him a couple of good kicks anyway

>>151115004
Now, not back them. Back in the day CDM was the guy too shit to be an attacker and not shit enough to play as a defender

>>151115004
>CDM is arguably the most important position though
>>151124112
>Not in kids football tho, there is no structure there
It's just about getting the ball to the talented kids up front and letting them cook
QUESTION!
If youth development programs assigned the most talented youths to the positions which most suited them, even if it was disadvantageous to a team's success at the youth level, would this result in an improved game at the professional men's level?

Ex: on a u-13 team, the most talented player is being placed up front, but innately, he might actually be better as a defender than a striker. At the u-13 level, strikers are significantly more valuable, but at the professional level, this is less true. If a club expects to retain him as an adult, would allowing him to develop a a defender be the better option?

(my primary reference is hockey, where at the pro level, defenders are valued as much as attacking wings [actually more, if they shoot right-side], but less than centers, but the most talented youth players still tend to be assigned to forward positions)

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>>151123336
you are doing God's work. the world is corrupt and evil. communists, leftists, women, jews, and shitskins HATE hierarchy and true progress. they are sadistic entropy in human form masquerading as empathy. your little effort will definitely improve some of your player's lives and they will remember you as a hero and you can die happy that you had integrity when everyone else succumbed to the mob.

>>151127657
Good coaches, even at low amateur level (so nothing special), will tell whether kids fit a position well. Anyone who thinks football at youth level always is „okay, the better you are, the more to the front you play“ has either zero experience or only witnessed shit coaches with probably abysmal teams
By the time kids actually learn to actually play football instead of just rushing to the ball, they are often divided into simple positions for the first time. Obviously, you won’t tell a 9yo he’s an inverted wingback. As kids grow and develop, they might change positions. But it’s not only about the striker stuff, although many kids would prefer being the star player scoring the goals
Some coaches may think in that suboptimal way, but it fortunately isn‘t the norm. The more serious team and coach are, the more reasonable these decisions are. And it doesn’t take that much

In your example, most coaches who recognize the player is best as a defender will eventually field him as a defender, if not right away already

>>151127900
>In your example, most coaches who recognize the player is best as a defender will eventually field him as a defender, if not right away already
Around what age does this typically happen (if applicable)? At what age does a future professional solidify in their position?


(also, thanks for the good reply)

>>151127900
>>151127657
And yes, it would help. It does help.
It‘s rare for a coach to chase results like that, you can easily argue that a player who is better as a defender than a striker is more useful to the team as a defender. It depends on what else the coach can do, and it isn’t outlandish to expect them to figure out a way to make it work
Coaches on the youth level are often prone to chasing results without having long-term development of players in mind, but the main threat in this regard is physical development: fielding only the early bloomers whose only real quality is bulldozing smaller kids away

>>151127976
I can only argue from experience here, and especially the latter part of your question is tough to answer as a normal person.
The path towards professional status is long and arduous, kids will start at a small village club and then eventually get taken in by a pro academy tied to a specific club. That’s the norm nowadays, but when exactly that happens can greatly vary. It still is possible for a kid to enter at 16 and then turn pro, but it is getting rarer and said kid obviously wouldn’t have stayed at their first village club in such a case, he would have gone to bigger and more professional clubs. I think changing the „greater“ position (defender to striker, as opposed to going from central striker to winger) is very rare once you are in the academy. By the time a player is 17, that should be set unless it’s a freak situation. I think there won’t be many changes after the age of 14 at the ambitious level. But sometimes kids develop differently. The small position stuff (wingback or centerback, etc) can still change later. Perhaps stuff like defensive midfield or wingback can also change later. It’s normal to play a few positions at some point and then focus on one as time passes, but the focus may change
By the time a kid is 10, you can expect them to play a certain, rough position. Many kids can and will play more than one, of course. I‘d say it begins to work at the age of 8, depends on the kids and the coach and their level of course, but by 10, it should be more or less there already

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>>151128166
Good to know. I've been under the impression that chasing immediate results was rampant among youth coaches, so that identifying a natural defender may be difficult, because he's already spent years playing an attacking position.

>>151128393
You definitely aren't wrong! But most of the time, coaches can and will at some point recognize whether a player is best for a position and then try to achieve the best result with that for the collective
There's a lot of variance because of things like skill level of everyone involved, team cohesion, and physical development of kids. Coaches also have different philosophies after all, so the entire "what is his best position?" can be tricky already
But a good thing about football is that the free flow of the game usually makes it relatively easy to go "huh, that guy I use as a striker is really really good at defending somehow ...", to put it simple

>>151123336
It's time to GET PAID. Move up to high school coaching.

>>151114791
I was a sweeper keeper and basically a one man army on defense