2-0 (cunha, casemiro)
>>151589789FUCK NIGGERS
animefags are pathetic
>united
sesko is so shit lads
get yerself a nice british lass
death to all weebs
/lug/ and then Aspinallstill a kino evening of /sp/ to be had
I like sex
I HEART anime but almost never post it, just not board culture is it
grindr fc getting pounded
>no /mug/ for the whole of OctoberWhen was the last time United went a whole month without dropping points?
>>151589844willing to bet this is an american
>>151589844the absolute state of the fucking stove
>anime
>>151589825>britishchecks out
dubs and Casemiro gets sent off
>>151589844what the fuck
>>151589844I'd rather eat my own shit
WELL WELL WELL
No-one in this thread is even watching the match.
unfff unfff unffff
>mbeumo>cunhathey finally won the transfer window
sexso assist
/mug/ cuckholds quiet
>>151589987this is just a waiting room for liverpool-brentford
*scores*
Booooooomo
kneel
>>151589987muglets in shambles
yeah that's a dive. Well done ref
GET IN
>>151589910Haven't you got reparations to pay and black cock to gobble on, you fat yank fuck?
>>151589987im waiting for the sooogs posting to start, but???
zesty celebration
>>151589987i am but there's not a lot to saybrighton have been abysmal3 gifted goals
>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/>/mugug/mugug/
Liverpool sistas..this cant be happening
united chads, it's too easy
>>151589992They've been excellent. Mboomo particularly.
GLORY GLORY MAN UNITED
/mug/scum? where do we go from here?
that's a foul. goal should not stand
its happening
Šeško assist :)
>watching the reply of the player diving>"I think there was enough for a foul"they cannot stop themselves
>>151589987
>>151590009
eating chinese style sweet & sticky wings pringles atm x
>>151589844we don't use the saying "blue collar"
when the fuck is even the last time united controlled a game without a giga cuckup by the keeper or something elsefucking hell this is weird to watch
>>151590061>forest>spudsI think he might actually have a haircut
>>151590061Feel like getting myself a haircut too desu
abu silence is deafening
clueless ynited fans wanted amorim outthat's just show how clueless ynite fans are about football, they only watch results never how team plays or expected goals, shots on goal etc. basic statsthey are 16 point after this, literally in title race
Amorim is good now?
United are winning the league.
>>151590044
>>151590141>yellow piss filter ai slop
Neville is so anti United it's unreal, someone shoot that rat
god, i love luck shaw
Chelsea customers gave you lot so much shit over the past few seasons yet are nowhere to be seen tonight???
It took 11 months of the worst football ever but Amorim finally proved he isn't a fraud.>>151590061It's gonna be a killer when United beat Forest then draw to Spurs.
so the solution all this time for united has been to just buy the league instead of importing shitters
>>151590108turns out football is easier when you're not worried about your retard goalkeeper throwing the match
>>151590141mbum and amad are same height
>>151589844how do you even survive eating that
>>151589987Sorry I was installing a cracked version of YouTube on my tablet. No more stupid ads and I can listen to music with the screen locked
how does portugal produce so much talent?
>HeavenNice name
>>151590176What they really needed was a decent goalkeeper.
>>151590159they bought garnacho, isn't that enough?
tesco has a really great first touch for a striker
>>151590176Buying the best players from midtable teams worked for Fergie
>>151590188that's probably what she's hoping for
>>151590190based, fuck modern youtube I will never use their webiste/app as isrunning pipepipe for phone and freetube for pc
>>151590215not really
>>151590192wow name?
>>151589992took the recruitment team a while to realize prem proven is the way to go
Lammens was the missing piece. Only cost £18m too
>>151590190>inb4: someone from nigeria used your credit card to buy some diapersThey're actually adapting to the game and that means a lot
>>151590265Dar Ksydephil
>>151590192damn she was in her prime thereher ass is absolutely massive now but she0s a bit too fat and her face is eh
>>151590255corrrrr quality from sesko for the assist
>>151590255i don't recognize my club
>>151589992>92Now hopefully Sesko gets his act together too.
>>151590255That was a foul
>>151590317>>151590265she has a name? unironically.
>class of 25
>>151590188It goes in the bin as soon as she is finished filming her video for social media.
>>151590271it was some luck too because most of the club's targets chose a different club
>>151590188It’s click bait, if you don’t understand that you should not be here
>>151589987I am kinda, im also lingerie shopping for when my boyfriend visits
>>151590343https://www.instagram.com/itsmaggzs/
>>151590317what's her name?
>>151590190rooted? I honestly havent used normal youtube for over 10 years. revanced for android and smartTube for my tvbox.
>>151590272To think they were paying De Gea £400k a week to make blunders every other match then paid £50m for Onana only for him to be the worst goalkeeper in modern history.
The worst part about Man United winning a few matches is that United fans will be crying that Shaw and Mainoo should be starting for England now.
i will never ever be able to participate in another /mug/ again
could see us winning the league after this ngl
Bueno is activating
can my boy sesko we his willy
what a diving cunt baka
how's that a yellow
>>151590118Dyche will stop them
how's that not red?
tame impala was always a meme
>>151590370you're right, she really walled.
Oh fuck off
>>151590437keeper had it covered
at least amorim won't have to explain not starting dorgu ever again
that's DOGSO or nothingreferee is a retard
that was a red ngl
>>151590363kys faggot
>>151590430keeeeek
>From having to watch Trashford and Sancho stink the place out to Mbeumo and Cunha. I could cry
>>151590430Face made for domestic abuse, god i wish i could come home and unload my shitty workday on that
for fucks sake
UH OH
Dorgu sadly has Dalots IQ
FAT BASTARD JUST LYING THERE
Noice
WELBS YOU BEAUTY
Lmao dorgu what the fuck
DAT GUY
>>151590463wasn't even a foul
kinder mbuemo
>A FUCKING WEST HAM REJECT
SECOND MOST DANGEROUS LEAD
lammens is afraud
Comeback on the cards here!
>>151590061United going give him hope with one more win then lose.
>>151590476marin is a miracle of the universe
here we go...
welbeckcome on dude, just retire and stop bullying developing teams
HOWEVER
good free kick that
DAYUM BOI
should be 2-1 right now
BRING KOSTOOULAS ON UNITED ARE HANGING FROM A THREAD
why can't i hold all these lammens
>white goalkeepers
lammens was not even a meter away. great free kick, but still
GWARN WELE
>baleba wins motm for unitedwell deserved
>>151590476>>151590519cute!
>sub casemiro for muh academy player>lose controlreally makes me think
>>151590381Yeah revanced. Have that on my phone and tablet. It stopped working a while back all I had to do was reinstall a newer APK idk why I waited this long to do it. Took less than 5 min. God I fucking hate YouTube ads
>>151590469>tf>tp
Glimmer of hope for /mug/
without casemiro they're shit
>>151590192>the perfect woman doesn't exi--
>3-1 is this open
>>151590579he's the only actual midfielder they haveugarte is too shit to count
/mug/ bros i believe
CAM ON BRIGHTON DO IT FOR /MUG/
>>151590519innit
>>151590596i know i know
>>151590585>she's certainly quite pretty>does a 360 and walks awayoh...oh my
this is good, let the muggers feel a bit of hope
>dat guy welbeckremember him trying to chip neuer in 2014 lol
nice of united to let welbeck score in his testimonial
mainoo and dorgu don't know how to do this system
>>151590591Should have dived earlier
>>151590519>>151590606
KOSTOOULAS ON ITS OVER FOR UNITED
does Jotas wife have a new bf yet?
>total control>losing balls left and right after subs
>>151590192i would literally never come up for air
>>151590591That. Person. WELBS.
has mainoo done anything since that wolves goal
How old is Danny Boy?I remember his playing with Van Persie and Rooney.
>no room for racism>boots it at the signwhat did he mean by this?
>>151590659whats the point of an ew boyfriend? she already has all his money
>>151590643>frieren winsi approve this message
>>15159068835 soon
>>151589844this is going straight to /tv/
>>151590683scored the winner in the fa cup final?
BIG ZIRK COMING ON
>>151590550Im in love with her
>>151590688He's just a kid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXNwp1WEY88
>>151590702Moids are only good for what they can offer, facts
Xerxes coming on
>>151590683>ynr united 5-4 lyon
>>151590585yup she doesn't.see >>151590370>>151590677not like you'll be able to, especially with her current incarnation.
BIG ZIRK
HOW FUCKING MANY?!??!??!???
>>151590606she has a thread on /c/, please post screenshots of her there. I need more of them for science.
goin for a pishthe bummers better have scored by the time i get back
>>151590643No waifu lasts forever. Need Marcille on there somewhere too though.
who's the commentator on sky sports he sounds like a lovely little fella
Dorgu might genuinely be the worst footballer I've ever seen
>>151590678>>151590688>>151589617
>taking off seskocringe
I'm taking a shit
>>151590793rob hawthorne?
>>151590702still needs dicking
>>151590792>No waifu lasts forever
>>151590760nothing lasts forever, anon
>>151590822more of cute little girls drawing pepes!
soogs needs to do a professionally shot POV scene
>>151590863I've seen pics of her shitting
>>151590893soulless
should've rested penandez
>>151590863>Bell DandyClassic. If we're calling classic waifus though then I'll take Kallen Stadtfeld.
>>151590893if she did vr i'd get an headset and one of those auto wank sync to video toys
>>151590842possibly i don't know his name all i know is from the sound of it he does not want to be there
Bruno is shameless
TZIMAS KOSTOOULAS THIS IS ENDING 3-4
>muggers weekend ruined
>>151590924>Kallen Stadtfeld.Based I love her and Code Geass.
>falls over
>>151591006A man after my own heart.
just end already got shit to do
+13 for halloween please
>>151591038rip ukrainian webm bro
very tired but got a bit of charles left over from last night so might have a cheeky line or two
>>151591036People fall over all the time, he's human just like us
>>151591073
>>151591059Like what?
since when is bruno that fucking fast? holy shit
>>151591073He got drafted. English anons, take note
>>151591073russian bastidddss
only +7 typical varchester
>>151591076Throw it away, drugs are shit
>>151591073Fuck, what happened?
zirk is so funny to watch
>>151591076is charlie coke?idk why people stopped doing speed, it's such an honest drug compared to coke
KOSTOOULAS KOSTOOULAS
MUGCHADS WE STILL IN THIS
>>151591163Drafted
MOST DANGEROUS LEAD
CUSTOMERS SHAKING
amorOUT
/MUG/ back on????
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
/mug/ status?
>Right to leftSoul
I FEEL IT COMING
MUG I BELIEVE
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO,DON'T BRIGHTON MY DAY
reminder it should be 2-2 right now
HOLD UP
yanited should be down to 10 menPGMOL robbed us of a brighton win
AAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
We still making a /MUG/ if it's a draw
>>151591141it's our fault for provoking Russialiterally why is that a war a thing. can anyone tell me why we should care about Ukraine
>>151591217pending
Ahhhhhhhhh
If we get a /mug/ out of this I'll suck off a man
It's 3-2 now
CUM ON BRIGHTON
Uh oh Utd sisters...
well well well
Please choke. Please choke. It would be so fucking funny.
>>151591124one minute you're shitposting and doing god's work with the webms, the next you're fighting the russian menace. god speed ukraine webm anon.
>>151591217loading
>>151591201No way. Really? How do you know?
did we got too cocky, united chads?
SO IT HAPPENED AGAIN
5 minutes
MUGbros...
surely it cant happen AGAIN?
>belgian goalkeepers
nice subs tbqhwyf
>>151591272He posted saying he got a call up, and he would be back in no time. Its been a while now...
Customers VERY nervous right now
Imagine if United's 3rd had been chalked off like it should've been
>>151591248i volunteer as tribute
Bruno in a heap
glue back the mug
woe beckons
>>151591305it can
Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name,PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN
Even if United hold on to the lead here, their deluded fans will treat it as a hard-fought victory, ignoring the fact that Brighton have been dogshit for most of the match and they still made things difficult for themselves for no reason.
>>151591266Shitposting is essential work, he should've been exempt
it's okay we've got this
>>151591234Yanited also should have gotten a pen though
>take cunha off>lose
Dalot's playacting was comical just then
why do united keep doing me like this
>>151591364and that their third goal came after shaw committed a very obvious foul
>>151591364imagine being such a faggot you're watching a team you hate you can jerk off to the result.
It’s over…
/mug/troons....your response?
/MUG/ DENIED
NOT MY MUG
MUG IS OVER
LMAOOOOOOO
VARsinsonI'm not even watching
GAME OVER SUCK MY COCK MUG BROS>GAME OVER SUCK MY COCK MUG BROSGAME OVER SUCK MY COCK MUG BROS>GAME OVER SUCK MY COCK MUG BROSGAME OVER SUCK MY COCK MUG BROS>GAME OVER SUCK MY COCK MUG BROSGAME OVER SUCK MY COCK MUG BROS>GAME OVER SUCK MY COCK MUG BROS
It's over
>>151591266>russian menacerussia's not the menace, we should never have expanded NATO after 1990
>>151591384
commmonnnnn
>>151591406>noooo you can't just watch football matches that don't involve your own team
Sir Bryan Tetsadong Marceau Mbeumo
/mug/ mugged
GET INNNM
TOTAL /MUG/ DEATH
well thank fuck for that
KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL
utd should've been down to 10 mentypical riggers
MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO MBBLMO
thank the lord for mbeumo
FFS
must be grim being a /mug/cuck
Booooooooomo based based based
>>151589219>>151589219>>151589219/mug/-status: DENIED
>>151591320You mean Liverpool fans? Shouldnt they worry about their own match?
>>151591477Faggot
Nice
Mbeumo has been great credit where it’s due
fuck off
all it took was yet another refereeing disasterclass.
fucking hell they didnt collapse
seething plastic lmao
>>151591465It didn't need to be a menace, but it chose to be. And now they are showing everyone why the eastern block wanted to join NATO.
>>151591554
mug cunts in shambles lmao
Old United wouldn't finish this game off, /mug/bros we're gonna be out of a job soon
>Manchester United>4thABUs Seething again, United is Back
mbuemo player of the season already
>>151591234better luck next time paddy power
mbeumogame over
have fun with your wank, have a little boost to start ya off
Liverpoolsisters...
are we winning the league?
>>151591586it chose to be because we decided to expand nato and talk about ukraine being in it, which is of no use to anyone in europe or north americawe're in a totally pointless war that is wasting money and lives. we have to raise military spending to 5pc of the budget. for what? ukraine? why?
Mbeumo and Cunha have changed my life
All very well but Dorgu looks like he won a charity competition
>>151591732Cute elf.
>>151591722why would russia care about ukraine being in nato unless they specifically planned on invading another sovereign nation (a choice to be evil)?
>>151591316Damn
>>151591193>is charlie coke?yeh. it's just easy and everywhere i spose. i like the extra booze stamina it provides.
>>151590732She's leng inni
>>151591586Having talked to Finns or other Nordics its kinda insane how Russia made them do a U turn on neutrality lol
>>151591073recording drone footage as we speak
/mug/sisters...it's over
Just finished using my Jurgen Klopp Dilator and realised that those dastardly Red Devils won their game :(
can we clone mbuemo pretty please
>>151591800BASED GOD
>>151590061two to go
>>151591844mmm bueno
>>151591780>what are spheres of influence
>>151591780they see ukraine as in their sphere of influence and so were willing to go to war for that. why should we be willing to go to war for that or fund ukraine or increase our military budget? we have most of europe and the us alongside us. ukraine being in nato doesn't benefit us at all
>>151591722russia are baddies m8 and you know they are
>>151591036>>151591036that clod needs to fuck off back to bolognia
>>151591800KINO
>>151591911okay so you're confirming that russia actively chose to do an evil act? okay, just checking. good of you to admit that russia is the menace in the end.
>>151591911Sounds pretty villainous to try to enforce that through violence. Russia could go home any time and save all those lives and money.
>>151591532>Le trying to claim customers aren't Man U fans maymayYanited fans are customers, deal with it Klaus
>>151591800HE'S ALIVE
Let's hope the Liverpool hatewatch goes well too
When was the last time yanited scored 4 goals
>>151591920why? because they backed iran against israel? because they see ukraine as in their sphere of influence? why should any of these things concern us?>>151591965>>151591999menace implies they're a threat to us before we provoke then. george kennan warned against nato expansion in the 90s. menace also implies that they are some sort of dangerous force compared to us, which they're not
>>151592058about 7 minutes ago
>>151591999trips of truth
>>151592058the Europa league games at the end of last season, Lyon I think
>>151592169fuck off retarded nafotroon this is /sp/
>>151592197>nafotroonI have no idea what this /pol/ buzzword means. Speak like a human being.
>>151592169menace implies menacing to someone and they certainly aren't that to us
>>151592229Are you under the impression that the definition of "someone" is "The United Kingdom"? No? Then you're admitting they're a menace. Thanks for playing, mongo.
>>151592058in the prem? everton in 2024
>>151592112>why should any of these things concern us?european stability is important lad and countries shouldn't have to worry about neighbour countries deciding to invade them but you're one of those weird russiabot posters so let's not bother with any more of this you have a lovely evening yeah? x
>>151592027we /buzzing/
>>151591911I support Ukraine bcuz of webm anon, simple as
>>151592265it's implied that it's the uk because we're in the uk. you wouldn't call spiders a menace if they are a threat to flies because we aren't flies. why do you identify with ukraine? the media told you to?
>>151592283we have euro stability before we provoke russia because nato is huge on one side and russia is small on the othereuro stability is worse in provoking russia, as is world security because russia gets closer to china and even india gets closer to china>>151592308>>151592308based
so this is what abus do when without mug
>>151592410They were baited into invading. The yanks are more a menace to us than the russians
>>151592283>and countries shouldn't have to worry about neighbour countriesCorrection, white people countries shouldn’t have to worry about being invaded. Not applicable to Africans, Central/South Americans or Asians.
>>151592600Yeah alright Ivan. Anyway I'm off to watch the footie, hopefully your nation doesn't survive the decade :)
>>151592522These same people probably kept saying Russian invasion was never gonna happen and anyone warning about it was a warmonger lolNot the first time this century Russia invaded a neighbor and wont be the last, looking how they seem to eye Baltic states recently
why can't we all just get along?
>>151592410would you have called america a menace in ww2? you could say well look they menaced the germans but it doesn't make sense to say that over herewhy do you identify with ukraine? why does that plot of land matter to us? literally you just keep avoiding this question, like you're on autopilot that the war must mean something
>>151592652I'm British you spaz, I just have a grasp of geopolitics that runs beyond watching Newsnight
>>151592468>NATO expanded because the people who had so recently freed themselves from the russian yoke knew the truth: around ziggers, fingers on triggersyeah and it didn't help euro stability at all>>151592522your economy is 7 times the biggest european economy in germany. but keep wasting your time and resources in europe and the middle east, it's really beneficial to your country #americalast
>>151592743here's a good intro https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4
>>151592743>Ivansign that you've losttell me why it's beneficial to provoke russia into war in ukraine. you can'ti'm not the same as that other poster, btw
>>151592786>Implying I'll click a link posted by a /pol/tardkek
/mug/sissies really are mindbroken by 3 wins in a row
>>151592810>>151592810just trolling now because you're lost the debate?
>>151592800Invading a sovereign nation is evil, being invaded is not. It's that simple. If you can be 'provoked' into evil acts, then you were never good. Just stop being evil, Ivan.
>>151592810I'm lefty not pol
>>151592859i'm saying whether it's evil or not, i'm saying the war is pointless from our point of view. if one african county invades another, is that our problem too?
>>151592859This is such a childish way of looking at geopolitics
>Russia is evil, Ivannot even the point being made
>>151592758What does that whining have to do with you still shoveling Russian shit into your mouth? After watching them fail for 3 years.
>>151592962Yes your position is firmly wrong and you live in a black and white, low information midwit fantasy land
Oh the russkies really didn't like that lol. Maybe another look at the word 'menace' in the dictionary may help them.
>>151592800Russia didnt need provoking to invade Ukraine, considering the resource rich region in the East, which would have made it more independent from Russia in the long run, nvm the majority of the people being sick of the corruption going on for decades, granted by Russian aligned politicians.
>>151591722Nobody talked about Ukraine being in NATO retard, stop regurgitating russian propaganda.
>>151592786>muh realism countries act amorally to seek power and gain security>unless you're the west, then you HAVE to let russia kill, rape, and murder your friends with impunity>sending surplus arms and trainers to a country attacked by your enemy is bad because... it just is, ok?if you let a sad old man unable to admit he was wrong trick you into abandoning your friends why should anyone want you on their side?
>>151593234Bucharest Summit 2008 and at several points after.
>>151593290why is ukraine you friend? you really just want to see your country throw money around the globe, don't you? what next, boots on the ground in ukraine?>>151593323except it doesn't really make a difference as nato is way bigger than russia. the one difference is does make is that it pushes russia towards china and even india towards china
>>151593290I disagree with Mearsheimer's overall assessment but he's good on the details and his genearal approach to these things is sound. The Ukraine war is a disaster for Ukraine, very bad for Europe and Russia, and helpful for the US. The US pushed and pushed to create the conflict and here we are.And yes fuelling a pointless war that splits europe is bad for usIt's great for you flogging us overpriced LNG
>>151593290Good post anon
>>151593290>the westIs not a monolith
>>151593568not it's a bad post. countries don't have friends, only interests. ukraine isn't in any country's self interest so it's a waste of time for us to be involved there
>>151593547>The Ukraine war is a disaster for Ukraine, very bad for Europe and Russia, and helpful for the US. The US pushed and pushed to create the conflict and here we are.i want someone in here to address this
>>1515934132020 they discovered untapped gas and oil fields in Eastern Ukraine and as of now, its potential untapped reserves are only topped by Scandi countries.And Ukraine was by far the most corrupt European nation for decades, and those decades they were led by politicians who had Russias backing. This conflict boils down to Russians seeing Ukrainians as lesser serfs, a country that should not be indepent Russias foreyard so to speak. Since the fall of the USSR Ukrainians naturally have shifted more and more to seeing themselves as more than that, what with all their neighbours also being independent.
>>151593290the assumption that ukraine is your friend and russia is your enemy is laughable. your country is way too big to care about these small countreis. you should care about china and nothing is
>>151593671>not it's a bad post blyat. countries don't have friends cyka, only interests. ukraine isn't in any country's self interest so it's a waste of time for us to be involved there blyat
Russia>Has used chemical weapons to commit assassinations on the streets of the UK>Constantly hacks Government systems, spies on us, and fuels division to try to undermine us>Is a corrupt authoritiarian state controlled by a small clique of oligarchs who allow no opposition or free speechOpposing Russia is not only practical, it's a matter of values. It's funny how the same type of people who are always crying about bullshit like people being arrested for being racist on Twitter also love to suck literal Russian dictator cock
>>151593290Ivan didnt like this one
>>151593833>>Constantly hacks Government systems, spies on us, and fuels division to try to undermine usThe yanks committed the largest act of peacetime industrial terrorism against their own ally. Theyve been caught spying on them serval times tooThat's how countries behave which is why the talk of morality and values in these matters falls flatAnd the Skripal poisoning was likely false flag too
>>151593833>It's funny how the same type of people who are always crying about bullshit like people being arrested for being racist on Twitter also love to suck literal Russian dictator cockit's funny that these are the same arguments used for regime change in iraq. was that a good thing to do as well?>>151593778yeah and russia has literally said many times they're against nato expansion. what you're saying is not the same thing in terms of level of proof>And Ukraine was by far the most corrupt European nation for decades, and those decades they were led by politicians who had Russias backingyeah exactly. let russia get involved in that, it doesn't matter to us
no one has addressed it
>>151594027>That's how countries behave which is why the talk of morality and values in these matters falls flatNope, I enjoy having unrigged elections and a legal system where the President can't put you through a show trial or have you thrown out of a window whenever he wants. These are the values of the Enlightenment and should be vigourously defended.
>>151594205>Nope, I enjoy having unrigged elections and a legal system where the President can't put you through a show trial or have you thrown out of a window whenever he wants. These are the values of the Enlightenment and should be vigourously defended.that's just being a necon>let's go around the world and impose democracy on everyone!
>>151594248>Let's impose Russian oligarch kleptofascist rule on Ukraine! Who cares?Russia is a corrupt shithole, accept it.
>>151594205You're making a category errorWe're talking about international relations, not domestic political. The values of the Enlightenment go out of the window when there's enough pressure. That applies for every country whatever the state of their internal politics
>>151594352nobody is making the argument that it is a good place, why can't you get this?
>>151593413>t. neville chamberlain, 1938>>151593507I want all free peoples to be and remain the friends of the United States and our European allies. Together we are stronger than the despots and their enslaved hordes , together our wealth and industry is the envy of the world, together we can live in peace and brotherhood. If we're being cynical about it though, the US formally pledged security guarantees to Ukraine in 1994, alongside the UK. Just as a "man" who abandons his friend at the bar or in the street to get his ass beat will have no one to back him up when the thugs come for him, so too will a country that abandons its security commitments find itself friendless and alone when shit hits the fan. Also from a cold blooded perspective it's a bargain. Ukraine has destroyed thousands of armored vehicles and killed millions of russian soldiers in exchange for some western arms manufacturers getting more business. We can pay in blood or we can pay in money, and unlike a Russian dictator I value the lives of my fellow americans and my brethren in Europe higher than numbers on a page.>>151593794I wish Russia were not my country's enemy, that they were capable of living with us in peace and justice. But they aren't, and every time we've given them an inch they've taken another bite out of a country that they're still salty they don't still own. As for China, defending our allies in Europe sends the message to China that we'll defend our allies in the Pacific. I know we aren't living up to this at the moment, a folly that we are going to pay for in blood and treasure. But that doesn't make the ideals wrong or the logic false, it just makes us fools for electing fools and faithless cowards to lead us.
>>151594504>If we're being cynical about it though, the US formally pledged security guarantees to Ukraine in 1994, alongside the UK.they also pledged to not expand NATO>Also from a cold blooded perspective it's a bargain. Ukraine has destroyed thousands of armored vehicles and killed millions of russian soldiers in exchange for some western arms manufacturers getting more business. We can pay in blood or we can pay in money, and unlike a Russian dictator I value the lives of my fellow americans and my brethren in Europe higher than numbers on a page.except you don't have to pay at all because europe doesn't matter to your country any more, same as the middle east. it's actually hurting you because you are messing up the india alliance because of it, which is way more important to your country>I wish Russia were not my country's enemy, that they were capable of living with us in peace and justice. But they aren't, and every time we've given them an inch they've taken another bite out of a country that they're still salty they don't still own. As for China, defending our allies in Europe sends the message to China that we'll defend our allies in the Pacific.yeah like i said russia can't hurt you and your allies in europe don't benefit you. this isn't the early 20th century where there are some european countries that are close to you in power. you've completely blown past us now that we're not relevant to you
>>151594504>I want all free peoples to be and remain the friends of the United StatesWhy'd your government blow up Nordstream and spy on the krauts for years?>Just as a "man" who abandons his friend at the bar or in the street to get his ass beatWhat about the man who goads his "friend" into picking a fight with a guy twice his size and then sits at the bar shouting occasional encouragement while watching him get filled in?And Russia isn't your enemy. It's the enemy of the klepotocratic oligarchy running your country (and mine). Because it has its own klepotocratic oligarchy
>>151590192made for my bbc
>>151594504>>t. neville chamberlain, 1938He was right, we never should've gone to war with Germany. It only resulted in the death of our empire and handing Europe to the US and the USSR.
>>151595149>in exchange for over 1 million killed and wounded. Most of its military stocks have been depletedThis is all cope I'm afraid. When they win you will say its worth it because of these copes. You should go back to your NAFO discord m8.
>>151595149Yes the war is bad for Russia. It is also terrible for Ukraine
>>151595498>Doesn't reply to a single factual point raised>Calls it cope and says Russia will win in 2 weeksThanks for playing, faggot.
>>151594504Another excellent post
>>151594941>Why'd your government blow up Nordstream and spy on the krauts for years?He has no answer to this because he can't accept the reality that the US occupies Europe and weakens it for its own benefit. They are currently de-industrialising Germany and ending their automotive sector on the basis of competing with China.
>>151595630It is cope because your side is losing the war and you are telling yourself everything is fine and that it's worth it when you've pissed away billions and millions of lives in order to make Russia the unquestioned dominant military superpower in eastern Europe. It's nothing but cope.
>>151595785>Again, not a single reply to the factual points raisedFascinating
>>151595814Your cope isn't "factual" it's just spin and cope. Things are NOT going well for the West in the war. Their side is LOSING it. All you have left is millions diverted for propaganda campaigns to hoodwink gullible marks into thinking everything is fine. IT IS NOT FINE. And as a direct result of the West's inflexibility and intransigence, Russia will end up taking far more than the originally 4 oblasts claimed.
>>151595911Fuck mate you're using caps lock now?! You sure showed me!
>>151595149>Russia was supposed to be some sort of military superpower.Only in the minds of retarded neoliberal NPCs who download their opinions from the US State Department via the BBC
>>151594806>they also pledged to not expand NATOwhere, Ivan? Show me the treaty. >inb4 some guy might have said it in negotiations according to russians 20 years later>europe doesn't matter to your country any more, european allies don't benefit youYes it does. The EU and the UK is, in size and scope, a peer to the US. Our trade balance with the EU last year was over half of Russia's total GDP. Together the US, EU, and Commonwealth are more than a match for China in population, military strength, and industrial production. Together our high tech and high productivity industries are the envy of the world, and our resources can fuel any industrial processes we need to survive and prosper.>russia can't hurt younot while you're stuck dick first in a Ukrainian meatgrinder, short of putin starting a nuclear war out of suicidal angst. But we have no obligation to let you gather strength and enslave free peoples until you could pose a real danger to us. You don't get to cynically invade countries and then cry foul when we cynically help them fight back. I mean, I guess you do, but why should anyone take that seriously?>>151594941>Why'd your government blow up NordstreamSource? Ukranians did that, and they sabotaged russian infrastructure because russia attacked them. >spy on the krauts for yearsstandard practice for everyone, and they're also doing it to us. ruzzians certainly have no room to take a moral stand on espionage, y'all literally murder people in european cities with chemical weapons>And Russia isn't your enemy. It's the enemy of the klepotocratic oligarchy running your countryThere's one of those in now and its leader is screaming at Zelenskyy to bend over and let the russians take what they want. He's the one who cut off most aid too. It's almost like corrupt oligarchs stick together and hate free people sticking up for each other.
>>151596095>Source? Ukranians did thatAccording to Seymour Hersh it was the US. "Ukrainians" are a vassal state run by the US and anything they do is sanctioned or done with help from the US. Ukraine would not exist without the US, they are bankrupt and dependent on cash injections to keep their government functioning. This is a proxy war that does not benefit anybody in Europe, it only benefits US arms manufacturers and neocons. Europeans continue to be damaged by the war your country created in Ukraine by overthrowing their government in 2014. We don't benefit from this arrangement or the presence of the US in Europe.
>people actually believe that russia has lost millionsYeah and Ukraine has lost 30k tops, that's why there's 30k+ videos online circulating of ukranians being stuffed into vans in broad daylight. Source? The jew janitor of Ukraine of course, he would never lie.
>>151596267He deceptively worded it >1 million killed and woundedso that anyone wounded for any reason even a stubbed toe is included. Also ignoring that the body exchange ratios are as high as 14:1
>>151592295it's going geat
