>The country that's developed fastest for the past 50 years>Has 1.4 billion bluds>They're good at almost everything>They made SHAOLIN SOCCER>Nobody actually knows how to fucking play soccerExplain how this is possible?
Too busy working
crashing your forklift down the escalator is not a sport
communists weak at team sports
>>152790078Culture of every man for himself means everyone wants to be the star which is not conducive towards team sports.
>>152790474Umm buddy they're commies so they're pretty used to working together as a unit.
>>152790078Their rechristened baseball league just began its first season yesterday, their journey towards becoming a baseball nation begins now.
>>152790702It's actually a hyper-competitive society that is very good at producing atheletes focused on individual achievement, less so working together. Especially when they're taught so much to not think outside of the box which you need to do as a team sometimes.
>>152790702China is a hyper competitive country and always has been. The le communist shit has been for appearances since Mao died.
>>152790078Because they do not have the type of athletism that works in soccer. Also culturally soccer doesn't vibe with them. They are more into the cool ethnostate sports like gymnastics and synchronized swimming, dancing and shooting.
>>152790078>they made shaolin soccerOk m8 now you fucking rattled me
>>152790185somebody slide that into XGames' dm
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>>152790078> SHAOLIN SOCCERExplain me
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the chinese bugman identity makes them believe that if they pass the ball to somebody else and that somebody plays better, they will be given the resource originally meant for the bug. its not that they wont ever be good at team sports, they simply CANT be, it would require the entire culture to change
>>152790078FIFA rules of the game prevent a lot of what made Shaolin Soccer so effective. Under the current rules, using those tactics just results in red cards and games getting abandoned, so China's best can only play unofficial matches and they're left with the dregs playing under Association Football rules.
they're more of a basketball nation
>>152792254you guys are even worse than them to be fairinb4 'they have more people its not faaairrr' cope.
what ever happened when these guys were the saudis 10 years ago and were buying guys like Oscar and giving them huge salaries? did they just get bored of it?
>>152790078shit scout system and development, there is no reason they should lost to japan, but japan has soccer culture so this makes the difference in tier, wich is kinda bizarre, they are a sleeping giant, but hard to tell if they will ever 'wake'
>>152794243Turns out many of the companies behind these clubs spending tons of cash weren’t as healthy as previously thought. Then these same companies overrated the boost effect of buying mostly washed up players for obscene amounts of money. So they lost a lot and eventually stopped. Most clubs in the Chinese league are different entities now. They couldn’t get the league to boom on a global scale, and Chinese people themselves aren’t that fond of the league either. Not that surprising in my opinion They also invested a lot into youth development back then. That’s probably the part where you have to wonder why it hasn’t paid off more so far
>>152794284thanks for the explanation. I remember Brazilian guys were going over there getting massive salaries for a while, I think the club Oscar went to actually got liquidated a couple of years ago.
>>152790078Fuck off, chink
>>152790078easier to dominate snooker
>>152794290Yeah, they were really overdoing iI remember Tianjin Tianhai buying 30yo Anthony Modeste from FC Köln for 30 million (after having loaned him for another 6) and paying him 11.5 million after taxes as a base salary, plus add-onsThey then eventually failed to pay him, so he dissolved his contract and returned to Köln for free after a yearThe Saudis don't seem to do it in a significantly different way, but they have more money to spend and embed it in a greater vision of their kingdom as an entertainment venue
>>152791346You keep saying this as if mitoma and Son are somehow radically genetically different as Korean and Japanese people, and as if Messi isn't a manlet lol
>>152794443exactlyeven india would produce decent footballers if they actually cared about it
>>152794284Rip evergrande, I still have my 2013 and 2015 jerseys idk there's Wang Yudong but if you ask Chinese football enthusiasts they don't think he's got as much talent as J-League prospects his age, or even the next Wu Lei. Also worth noting that Evergrande had the biggest football academy in the world and hired foreign coaches but never actually graduated a single player into their first team maybe in another 20-30 years they can get something going but I have a lot more faith in the Canadian Premier League developing domestic talent and possibly even matching the CSL in quality than I do thinking the current Chinese model will get its shit together
>>152794290No the club that bought Oscar actually had solid financials (they're the Shanghai port group) and basically replaced Evergrande as the best Chinese club (and were second best before then because they had Wu Lei, Hulk and Elkeson demolishing defences, even by Asian Champions League standards that's a solid attack). SIPG aren't doing things like paying Asamoah Gyan 200k a week anymore but they can still buy better domestic and foreign talent than the rest of the league nowadays who are back to buying like MLS tier players like normal. Oscar didn't even want to leave that much, he had adjusted to China and loved it and Shanghai is obviously a much higher trust city to live in than Sao Paulo. Hell, Shenhua (the team with actual support in Shanghai btw) never collapsed either, and Drogba actually left them after 2012 because their owner was a weirdo who wouldn't pay him or Anelka properly, so if anything I'm surprised they're not the ones dead like Suning was Also one funny thing about this was that it didn't just inflate the value of foreign players, it also inflated the DOMESTIC transfer market. Like goalkeepers have to be Chinese so incredibly mediocre ones would command multi million yuan transfers, ditto pretty decent midfielders who wouldn't even make J-League or K-League squads, and then ofc you had the whole naturalization frenzy (wish we could've got Virgil Van Dijk lmao)
>>152794459There are millions of players in India, the problem there apparently is a combination of corruption/a lack of sports infrastructure ... and their apparent genuine lack of athleticism. India does have a bit of an excuse in general as they are a country with a still very small (in relative terms) middle class, and these are the people carrying a country in terms of mainstream sportsBut then you have the large Indian/South Asian diaspora. Even if you say they have a different culture and focus on academics more (which is also true for East Asians and whites in comparison to other groups), you'd expect them to have produce at least some decent athletes sporadically. India's best football player ever couldn't hang with the guys at Sporting Lisbon's reserve team. It's hard to just explain that with socioeconomic factors when Indians clearly have some sort of interest in football as a whole, as can be seen by their bandwagoning and media output. Of course, they aren't all total subhumans with zero athletic qualities ... that can't be the case either. But I don't think they can be excused by saying they don't care about football or sports at all compared to everyone else
>>152794464Can you say something about Xiangxin Wei?Yeah, I remember watching documentaries about China's new facilties and youth work. I remember being impressed and a bit worried, but then I realized they were mostly poaching guys with big names from Europe and shitting them up with cash as well ... not like this couldn't work in general, but I told myself that this seems kind of wasteful and not as strategic as it sounds at first. Still, some of it definitely should have stuck
>>152794571never met an indian or pakistan who wanted to talk about any sport other than cricket even the ones in america
>>152794459They do care
>>152794601Are you being serious ?? Just look at the amount of soccer related accounts on x from India. They literally built a statue for Messi.
>>152794613they'll do anything for money and twitter pays for interactionsif they cared about football they wouldn't have trashed the stadium because the famous guy wouldn't take photos with them
>>152794601My dad had to travel to India for business reasons and said he was surprised by the high amount of kids playing football on the streets there. Anecdotal evidence, I know ... but there are lot of Indians farming interactions in football media, they at least know fanhood in some (arguably obscene) way. Messi touring the country leading to some very erratic actions at least means something, albeit probably not that muchThe Indian students I met at my university also tended to have an interest in football, although their national pride depended on cricket and to a lesser degree field hockeyJust quoting Wikipedia as some low-effort method>Association football is one of the most popular sports in India.[5][6] According to a survey, 305 million Indians or around 21% of the Indians are football fans.[7] Association football is the most popular sport in some Indian states, like Assam, Goa, Kerala, Manipur, Meghalaya and West Bengal.[8] In Odisha, field hockey is number one.[9] In the other Indian states, cricket is the main sport. The 2017 FIFA U-17 World Cup was the first FIFA event the country hosted. It was called the most successful FIFA U-17 World Cup ever, with a record-breaking attendance of 1,347,133We obviously don't have to pretend it's their #1 sport and that they have amazing facilities to develop great players. But I think they are quite bad all in all, worse than they should be given their level of interest and access to infrastructure (be it in India or as diaspora). Being at least a decent factor in Asia and scratching World Cup qualification isn't that tough, especially after the recent World Cup expansion. Not like all other countries in AFC are that much ahead of them in development
>>152794594desu I've been following Canadian prospects more than Chinese ones because of the World Cup but I think I heard his name mentioned once or twice before and googled him. It's really funny that I was on vacation in Guangdong as a child during literally the same time he was born (I celebrated my 10th birthday at a random KFC there on March 11). Being 17 and starting in the league must mean he's probably being groomed to be the next Zheng Zhi or something but I don't know what that means in terms of being quality enough to play internationallyor it could also just mean he as promoted to the first team as a desperation measure. Meizhou Hakka aren't a rich side or anything, he's a local boy from Meizhou (which also means he might or might not be Cantonese, Shenzhen stopped becoming a Cantonese speaking city the second it became China's special economic zone and not some swampy farming village) who came up from the academy and they finished second last and got relegated. In fact Meizhou being a top flight club in the first place is very unlikely and a sign of the dropping quality of the league (Yanbian was also a tiny club that made it to the top flight but they were able to attract Korean talent because Yanbian is China's only Korean Autonomous region, and also folded like 2 years after they got relegated)In the past there was actually a rule that mandated u-23 players start matches but it became counterproductive and retarded because in practice that would mean everybody but Evergrande or like Beijing and SIPG would immediately substitute their u-23 guy to the bench again after a mere 30 secondsthe thing is about Wang Yudong is people who watch him say that he's got a one-dimensional kind of skillset that works for the CSL but would be exposed quickly in the European Leagues, whereas Wu Lei had some good attributes like positioning and off the ball running that could've been legitimately developed to be world class had he left China while younger
It's pretty crazy because here blacks are 4% of our country and very briefly represented in soccer, basketball, track and field etc meanwhile Asians ( east and sea) are 10% of Canada and basically in zero sports. For context there are 2.1 million Chinese diaspora in Canada on their own meanwhile the entire black population of the country is 1.6 million
>>152794958also Evergrande collapsing has been absolutely disastrous for Chinese football (thank god my cousins never invested in them lol). They were the one team that had a vision to develop Chinese football beyond the sorry state it is now and even had plans to eventually have an all Chinese football squad (even through bullshit naturalization sure) and still dominate the league. Like my cousins were ultras and I always wanted to watch a match (they would actually give out free jerseys to the seats of the whole stadium) so I'm biased but they were also the local club with history, R&F were transplants and I'm not even kidding, my one cousin who supported them, his name was Gei (no it doesn't mean that). Like in 2017 they let Elkeson, who probably had enough quality to play for Brazil had he not moved to China, transfer to SIPG, a direct rival, for a bullshit price, in order to improve the state of Chinese football. They had plans to actually build a 100,000 seat stadium and probably would've actually finished it had it not been for the pandemic. While I'm glad the Chinese government wouldn't bail out Evergrande (unlike local American governments who will literally pay taxpayer dollars to billionaires to keep NFL stadiums), any hope for Chinese football improving in the near future basically died with Evergrande collapsing.I remember being at Tianhe stadium (not on a matchday) in summer 2019 and if you had told me that no top flight football team would be playing in Guangzhou 3 years later I would've sooner believed that the Taiwanese would be in power in Beijing by that time. I wonder if the stores located within the stadium still exist, and how they're doing. The table tennis shop where I bought a fancy carbon blade that I've never used is probably fine but idk about the one where I haggled out a fake Chelsea jersey for 40 yuan>>152795033hey now we have future MVP and hall of famer Zach Edey
>>152794443also Su Bingtian has the fastest 60m time in history this is just retarded>>152795166hopefully these guys make it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foshan_Nanshi_F.C., my side of the family that actually gives a shit about football are from Foshan. I'd rather support these guys just by watching youtube highlights the day after than fucking "Inter Toronto" or even the joke of a club that is MLSE FCthe last thing about Chinese Football I will say is that it's really funny that even when the league was much better one of the top scorers was a guy whose mom moved to America and was playing in the USL (America's second tier division) the past three years before and didn't make it in the MLS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tan_Longspeaking of Cantonese athletes what's the German media's reaction to Fan Zhendong playing in Germany? Is he gonna move there? He seems like a westaboo ngl
>>152795033They got bbc
>>152794958>>152795166>>152795283I see, thanks. Very interestingI remember the design plans for the 100,000 seat stadium. The lotus shape. Looked extremely cool, but also almost impossible. Would they have been capable of filling it?Wang Yudong does have nice stats in the CSL at least. Maybe he will get an offer from Europe to prove himself, though there probably won't be any famous clubs knocking. Some of it may just be PR, and I fear the same for Xiangxin Wei. That doesn't mean he's a hack or anything (I also just assumed he was a Hakka btw, no real reason beyond vague geography and the club name, not that I can tell the difference), maybe he will become a real starRegarding Fan Zhendong: this is not a thing at all in mainstream media. But the table tennis niche is very hyped (apparently, I'm not an expert). The duel between Saarbrücken and Borussia Düsseldorf was a very big thing, and generally, everyone seems to be glad that the TT-Bundesliga has one more huge attraction, especially now that the Boll era is over. But all of that hasn't really spilled over into the mainstream yet, Fan Zhendong and table tennis aren't popular enough for that. Boll was a household name, but I don't think any other table tennis player achieved that here or is close to achieving it
Shaolin soccer is really a 10/10. Fantastic movie
>>152795787iirc there's a Chinese security regulation which prevents stadiums from reaching 80% capacity or filling up on league days (which makes sense to me given how you still have to scan your bags airport style before even entering THE SUBWAY), but Guangzhou consistently sold out their allotment of 45,000 iirc. like idk tickets were dirt cheap and incomes are naturally higher in the cities also the subway station just before the one at the stadium (tiyu xilu) was apparently by far the busiest station in all of China, like over a million people go through it each year, I found the hard way by going back to my hotel via that one instead of the stadium station because I legit had to wait almost 10 mins on an evening after everybody worked just to get in line to get a ticket lol. insane. makes sense to me that they would want to relocate they actually edited the design to look more polygonal and generic, and then after evergrande sold the site to the city govt the capacity got reduced to 75k and it just looks big but regularly generic now. kinda a shameyeah idk maybe he can speak canto, I don't speak Hakka or anything. it's just funny because historically Canto was only a Pearl River Delta kind of regional thing and then a bunch of mountains blocked that off so you had a Hakka linguistic zone just 10km away or something. I might or might not have Hakka descent but who knows, in the Toronto area they're really just known for running Indo-Chinese cuisine because that's what the diaspora did in India apparentlyYeah it's insane because Fan is probably done playing internationally even tho he's still best itw. I kinda wonder if Fan will move to Germany. He's too old to make a national team switch even if he wanted to anyways but it would be an insane get for the development of German table tennis, even though there's thousands more recreational and semi pro players than in all of North America. Like idk you seem to be lagging behind Sweden and even France now
>>152796245Yes, our recent output isn't that impressive while France and Sweden seem to have struck gold for now. They are on their way up and we are on our way down - but our federation and the clubs with all their members have the goal of changing that, obviously. I'm sure Fan would be a huge help. If there's any chance he will stay for good, they will do anything in their power to keep him ... if they aren't retarded. Which is a real possibility, I suppose. There are quite a few sports we definitely should be better at, but encrusted hierarchies and approaches prevent it. Handball and athletics come to mind first, swimming as well, I suppose. I don't know if table tennis falls under that category as well, but the last few years hint at itThe stadium thing seems very weird in any case. Then you shouldn't be building like this. Why is this such an issue? The region doesnt seem that unsafe to me as an outsiderGiven how many people live in the area, I do believe they could have filled 100,000 seats, under the condition that the club and the league grow nicely. But it's monumental work anyway, including strong infrastructure, of course. 75,000 seems fair for sure if the club is working decently. I now remember the overhauled design as well, that still would have been quite impressive in my opinionAlso, sorry for the rather personal question: but how does this Chinese people in Canada stuff even work? What is your relationship with China/the Chinese government? The average Sino-Canadian I've met seems to be very much intertwined with China despite not living there. But it feels different from your average Turkish nationalist living in Berlin ... for starters, you seem to be visiting China more often than the average "German-Turk" here visits Turkey. But I have no clue about this, so that's why I am asking
>>152790078>>They made SHAOLIN SOCCERThat was Hongkong, put some respect on their name!
>>152790078undisputed LiveLeak world champions for decades
>>152792389https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vje8Fp3yQFM
>>152794243 their league collapsed after covid
>>152790078Shaolin soccer is entertaining to watch but turns out in real life magic doesn't exist
>>152796457Yeah I'll try to reply tomorrow, keep this thread up
>>152790078At some point, they will be World Cup regulars... because FIFA will expand the World Cup to 128 teams at some point if it means getting China in there. I fully expect them to expand to 64 teams soon, with Asia getting like 14 spots. China currently is ~15th in Asia
>>152790078stfu moron. They failed in every sport they tried like football.
>>152790078they have fucking failed in every sport they have tried outside of single athlete competitions at the olympics. i dont know why the fuck you chuds keep trying to build this shithole up as some athletically amazing country. we are almost 20 years past yao ming as there still hasnt been any chinese superstar nba players despite how much they care about it. taiwan completely mogs them in baseball. the only thing they are good at is swimming 50 meters 400 different ways or doing 50 different types of gymnastics.
>>152794571Indians aren't very good at cricket either despite it being far and away their number one sport. They regularly lose to us and that's despite the game is heavily rigged in their favour because they're the number one market for cricket. Cricket is basically just England, Australia, NZ, south africa, the caribbean and india and pakistan and still they rarely come out on top.
>>152790078They have yet to show actual promise in any somewhat global team sport. You could also ask why they aren’t super good at basketball. Dominating football is even harder
>>152790317Ironic, isn't it.
>>152790078The more global a sport is, the worse China is at it. Water diving? They are gods. Table tennis? Basically undisputed. But basketball? Football?And it’s not like they don’t careBeing a decent Asian power and regularly qualifying for World Cups isn’t that much to ask for. They have invested plenty and have a good development. It is weird
>>152790317CCCP was dominating euro football
>>152810379nah
>>152810379When? They were good at the early Euros and won the first one, which wasn’t attended by Germany, Italy, and England, as the tournament wasn’t deemed important at the timeThe Soviet team wasn’t bad by any means, but they didn’t dominate anything at any point
>>152810299>But basketball?they got like 1 guy above 2m vs. 400 giganybugus in the US.
>>152807580Like 4 countries care about baseball
Searching i saw a vid from last year and kids look promising...they need more time i guess
>>152790078too busy filming amateur porn on Weixin
>>152810921who knows how many will stop playing football though. china is increasingly high income and it means shit like going to college and getting a codecuck job and the chinese equivalent of a great job instead of a shit one if you don't make it (do football coaches anywhere get paid that well)
>>152790078Can't do the third hand "china numbah yuan" with a live game like you can a news report
Emperor Xi, please more free limited time guns with the cool effects on cod mobile
emperor xi please buy out clearlake like my god eghbali is ass
>>152790317china was top tier in women's volleyball for decades
>>152810379dumb arab
>>152810560Now try Czechoslovakia in the 70s, Poland in the 70s, Yugoslavia, the Romanian and Bulgarian teams that peaked in the early 90s and... AND..... OHNONONONONONONONON AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH
>>152817128Not the USSR, and they also didn't dominate. I didn't say any of these teams suckedAlso ... would you mind telling me who won that tournament you took the screenshot from?
widespread societal Gacha addiction president Xi should ban mihoyo
Look at your average east asian manthey arent built for sports. thats why china focuses on niche olympic sports with low competition
>>152830338the average man of any ethnicity isn't built for sports.
>>152806764proof?
>>152830338Any nation can produce someone elite at any sport. to think that the chinese, indians or other countries are incapable of having elite athletes is wrong. Genetics doesn't determine most sports as much as desire, mentality and sheer willpower.Obviously genetics plays a part but being skilled at something isn't genetics, that's putting in insane amounts of time and effort into your craft that sets you above.There are so many athletes that aren't in any way genetic freaks but are just completely obsessed with their field.
>>152830338So explain Japan and worst Korea being decent
