We need a /sp/orts competition to settle this question once and for all
you will never be medyou will never be European
>>153590666I get Italy, , Russia, Germany, Austria, and even Vatican and Turkey. But what about the others?
>>153590730Bvt I'll always be Romvn
HRE was the continuation of Rome (Pope said so)All Catholics are canonically forced to accept the HRE as the continuation of Rome.
>>153590761Nope.>>153590784You will never be RomanYou will always be a rootless new worlder desperate for attention and Firstie approval
>>153590736> Italy — Rome itself survived there, so it claims geographic and cultural continuity.> Greece — The Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire became Greek-speaking and lasted 1,000 more years.> Vatican City — The Papacy claims spiritual succession after the Western Empire fell.> Russia — Moscow declared itself the “Third Rome” after Constantinople fell.> Germany — The Holy Roman Empire claimed to continue the Roman imperial title.> Austria — The Habsburgs ruled the Holy Roman Empire for centuries.> France — Charlemagne was crowned “Emperor of the Romans” in 800.> Spain — As Roman Hispania’s heir, it preserved Roman-Christian traditions.> Turkey — The Ottomans took Constantinople and adopted the Roman imperial title.> Serbia — Medieval Serbian rulers copied Byzantine imperial claims.> Bulgaria — Bulgarian emperors rivaled and imitated Byzantium.> Romania — Its name and language directly descend from Rome.> Brazil — The Portuguese imperial court moved there, linking it to a Roman-rooted monarchy.> United States — Modeled its republic and symbols on ancient Rome.> Belgium — Brussels leads the EU and sits in historic Carolingian lands.> European Union — Sees itself as peacefully reuniting much of old Roman territory.
>>153590874>The Portuguese imperial court moved there, linking it to a Roman-rooted monarchy.Claim Invalidated as soon as based freemasons gave you your freedom from them.
>>153590951>Claim Invalidated as soon as based freemasons gave you your freedom from them.All our emperors were freemasons thoughbeit
>>153590666Serbia claiming to be the successor is the funniest shit ever. We went to war with the Byzantine empire more than we were in good relations with them (some of our nobles were their bootlickers) and then they grab their symbol and incorporate it into our own crest. Ridiculous.
>>153590981I'm now a fan of the Portuguese monarchy freemasons are based
>not including the /int/ meme about Finland being the legitimate successor of the Roman empire
>>153590666California as Byzantium.
>>153590896Hmm …Charlemagne wasn’t Emperor of France, his realm just included what is now France and the Franks are just the ones France is named after. They were a Germanic people originally coming from further east of modern France, not a Romance-speaking one. The de facto capital of Charlemagne‘s empire is located in modern Germany. I don’t see why France can claim him more than us, both the French and German/HRE list of rulers begin with Charles/Karl, but the title of Emperor remained with us in the endSpain just was a part of the Roman Empire. That’s it. They avoided getting islamized in the mean time.Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania are pure LARPBrazil and the US are ridiculous as well, basically the same LARPBelgium shouldn’t even be a country and isn’t taken serious as suchThe EU is a joke altogether
Rome died in 476 AD (arguably earlier). RIP. Its closest thing to a successor is the Papal States (which might be a bit ridiculous to Pagan enthusiasts).
>>153590736Russoids got the whole third rome meme larp from us, actuallyWhen Constantinople fell, Turnovo's Tsars started doing it. Then when Turnovo fell too, some monks fled to Moscow and started the meme there too
Rome is canonically pagan as it's downfall coincided with Christianity, taking any larp away from meds, thirdies or radcaths
>>153590666No Wales?
>>153590666Rome is gay, satan. The only relevant empire in history was the Tartarian Empire
>things nobody cares enthusiast
>>153590666Romania. It's in the name.
you can't be roman without owning the city of rome
>>153591387Confirmed non-white
>>153591618And not male
>>153590666we call gypsies here Romans, so it should be Plovdiv(Stolipinovo)
>>153591231Wales is enjoying being Wales too much to worry about such silly things as being Rome.
>>153591114The list of French kings starts with Clovis, not with Charlemagne. The Merovingians, not the Carolingians, were the first dynasty of France, and it was this dynasty that earned France the title of the Church’s eldest daughter.5 seconds spent on any french history channel, book, or forum would confirm that this is the accepted french history by the french themselves, not the one that the germans want for then.
>>153591114Charlemagne didn't give two fucks about all the "honours" bestowed upon him. He wasn't interested in resurrecting Rome's corpse. He let that rot and set out to build a Frankish Empire. Granted he instrumentalized the Roman-Christian framework, mere means to an end, yet throughout his reign he remained a Frankish warrior and called himself the ruler of Franks, not chubby little roman gyppos. Like his predecessors did, true to their Frankish roots. From their early family home and powerbases in e.g. Herstal and Doornik the Salian Franks conquered most of Europe, incl. subjugating the tribes of France and Germany, and set up vassal states outside of their realm. HRE was a continuation of the Frankish Empire but a weaksauce one.Those in Charlemagne's court that were close to him had to speak proper Frankish or were sent to his ancestral lands in Belgium to learn it. Dutch is the direct descendant of Old Franconian, Frankish, a.k.a. lingua theodisca or Diets = Dutch. Charlemagne disliked and actively worked against the "bastardized" vernacular Latin/Romance speech common in France. They viewed it as degenerate. And likewise they looked down on Saxon and other German dialects.
>>153595464Clovis was born near Doornik (Tournai in present-day Belgium). His father, Childerik, was also buried in Doornik.
>>153596102Yet he made Paris his capital and Reims his crowning church.
>>153590736It is internet nonsense. It is just vibes
>>153590666America
>>153596875And it still has little to do with actual France. That’s basically like some people here pretending Arminius beating Varus was a national German thing. If you play that way, Germany seceded from France in 843. And come on …>>153595986Making a distinction between Dutch and Deutsch that way is dumb, there’s a reason Italians whined about the Dutch Pope Hadrian: he was a German to them. Being a continental West Germanic person means being German, it has little to do with the actual state that has existed since 1871 in some form
>>153590666/int/cels are retarded for real
Sports?
>>153590666Real simple really. If you are the top dawg in the top military alliance you are the inheritor of Rome. Any of this trivial spiritual inheritor, blood inheritor, etc means nothing if you don't have the iron to prove itSorry not sorry!
>ItalyThe most obvious claim. Their only problem is that they aren’t deemed important enough to fully convince everyone>VaticanSurprisingly good claim even though it starts out as a total joke. But it’s the same problem as Italy but in larger, and it also feels wrong to assign Rome, which is primarily connected with paganism, to Christianity like that>GreeceIf they still had Constantinople, this would be quite valid. You can of course debate about the validity of the Eastern Roman Empire as „THE Rome“, but it kind of checks out. Still, the Greeks and the Romans are seen as two things, giving both to modern Greece after its phase of long occupation feels shady>Germany and AustriaAlso based on Christian stuff, the revival of Rome through Carolus Magnus is a bit weird. But it got accepted for a really really long time. It’s quite solid, the problem here is that Germany and Austria split, and now no one can fully claim that area>TurkeyThey took Constantinople, and that’s not bad. But the rest …>USAThey used some LARP stuff and can claim to be the top dog now. That’s it, but it’s hard to fully disagree when they can just nuke youEveryone else, even Russia, can go home
>>153590666the eu doesn't claim that
>>153590666Doesn't have Spain an actual legal claim to Rome through their crown.
>>153597420Greeces claim is invalid because following independence from the ottomans they decided to larp as ancient hellenes instead of proper eastern romans. You cannot be both and they made their choice, they have no claim to anything roman. Its Italy
>>153597451No, its mental gymnastics because some guy decided to illegally sell the title to the spanish sovereign at the time. Spain has 0 serious claim, even russia has a better one
>>153597425The German government also doesn’t claim it. I would be surprised to see any of these countries make an actual push for recognition as Rome‘s spiritual heir
Italy - ethnically USA - politically Vatican City - culturally
>>153597495Best Roman Emperors were Hispanics.We extended the religion of the empire beyond our contninent.Spain is the most solid contender.
>>153590666When has America ever claimed succession of Rome?
If you use fucking kilometers to measure distance you're not the successor of Rome.
>>153600210If we asked Donald Trump right now, he would do itMost of these countries haven’t had made actual claims. You think Merkel or Merz held a press conference saying „we are the true successors of Rome btw“? But the countries on that list are either successors of entities who made such claims or stylized themselves as successors in some form, or people in general have argued on their behalf
>>153600279Change your mile to the Roman 1,480m and you might actually have a point
>>153600280He would say America is more powerful and influential than Rome ever was (and he’d be right)
>>153600293>mThere you go again, using some faggot french measurements.
>>153600414Rome's primary influence was promoting other people's shit. Christianity was middle eastern. Their alphabet was Etruscan (and ultimately Phoenician). Their gods were Greek. Their numerals are a joke and only still used for kings and super bowls. Their only real innovation was concrete.
>>153600210>>153600280historically only its critics called it the Roman Empire. "The American Empire" or "America is the new Roman Empire" BECAUSE the US was actually modeled on the Roman Republic not the Roman Empire. The founding fathers took a bunch of material from Cicero and Cato. It still in some ways LARPS the republic not the empire.
