>messi is the GOAT because he won a world cup>but pele's 3 world cups don't count or something>also all those other players who won 2 world cups dont countCan a soccerfag please explain how your sport ranking works?I could understand if there were a bunch of people with 2 and he had 1, but pele has TRIPLE his count (and the same amount as argentina in all of history) and is the ONLY player in history to achieve the triple crown
anyone who isnt a zoomer says pele is the goat.
>>154291487i suspect it's mostly manlets shilling for messialso people insecure because pele makes the sport look black and costs them white people pointsthere's always a 4chanian chudmotivation for their posts
>>154291459How is a ranking supposed to work? Some people say A is more important than B, others say it isn’t. Comparing players across different leagues, positions, eras - in a team sport - is retarded in the first place
>>154291521>>154291487Why would zoomers call Pele the GOAT if they never saw a full match of him? Are you retarded autists just looking at wiki stats and youtube highlights?
>>154291940it's obvious the world cup is the most important thing, then the euros, then the champions league thingif you want an objective metric you weight it by viewer count, if you want it even more objective you weight it by Net Viewer Worth (sum over viewership by country * GDP/Capita of country)not to mention WC is every 4 years so it's automatically minimum 4x the value of anything yearly>>154292039muh eye test is a massive cope, always has been. You don't need to watch a sport to objectively quantify success in it
People have been calling Messi the GOAT as early as 2010 and it became common opinion by the end of 2012. Only smooth brain casuals needed him to win a WC.
>>154292068Oh, in that case Erwin Helmchen is the true GOAT. You're a fucking zoomer if you think Pele was better.
>>154292159those were all boomers who got psyopped by uefa in a marketing gimmick though3 > 1>>154292175kek i forgot he was all roided/HGH'd up tooin the end it was due to the spanish inferiority complex to angloshe was basically the barry bonds of soccer but with an army of poor manlet fans (versus another army of poor manlet fans for ronaldo)
>>154291459Messi is obviously the best player to ever play. And he didn't need the WC to prove that.
>>154292201>Erwin Helmchenworld cup count?>>154292213>he was good because... i liked him o algo3 > 1in fact it's 3 times bigger
>>154292231Judging players based on a every 4 years knockout tournament that is heavily effected by what country you play for is retarded.
>>154292284oh so world cups dont count then?also soccer doesn't even have a salary cap lol, there's shit tier parity to start with, clubs aren't different than national teams in that retardit's a deeply flawed sport
>>154292284No it isnt. If goats from shitter nations cant win then they need to work harder. Pull themselves up by the bootstraps. Why the fuck would you even want a fair fight of youre trying to be the goat? If I was good at footy Id get fucking Faroese-Danish citizenship just to carry those island dwelling nerds to a wc
>>154292355Messi isn't the best because of all his la ligas or whatever, he's the best because of how he controls the game is one of the best if not the best at dribbling, touch, passing, finishing, free kicks, off ball movement. Use your eyes
>>154292209Pelé only played a few minutes in the 1962 World Cup. He played the first group game against Mexico and then injured in the second game. He didn’t play the final, the semifinal, the quarterfinal, the final group game. Brazil won without him, they obviously were capable of thatYou seem to only value trophies, not about the context. Anatoly Tymoschuk got a medal for the 2013 Champions League, but he played like 30 minutes all tournament. On the other hand, he could have been the best player ever and still would not have had a chance to win the World Cup because he’s Ukrainian and cannot win the World Cup on his own. Who the fuck cares about this dumb GOAT debate anyway? There can never be
>>154291459>pele's 3 world cups2*
>>154292446and what about all the HGH he got?>>154292482doesn't matter, he spiritually moved them to win it :)
>>154292482>Who the fuck cares about this dumb GOAT debate anyway?it's part of an overarching geosportlitical culture and racial war ongoing on the internet and 4chan for years nowironically it's in my best interest if messi is considered the GOAT given his recent manuevers lol
>>154291459>>messi is the GOAT because he won a world cupHe's the GOAT becaus of many factors, winning a World Cup is just one of them. Same as with other sports.
>>154293736where are you from? you are deeply invested in this
>>154291459Basically the whole "GOAT" term is retarded.It's a Zoomer buzzword.The whole concept of a player being the best ever is stupid because the ERA's of football were completely different in many terms.
>>154291459US women soccers has won more WC, than pele, maradona and messi combine.
>>154293815the pathetic thing to me is that messi vs ronaldo was quite blatantly a marketing campaign by europe/UEFA to get the third world to worship and follow european soccer above all else as well as make it easy(well, easier) for european clubs to cuck latin american clubs of their players as they all grow up dreaming of playing for UEFA clubs (especially madrid/barecelona) it's similar to how we're psyopping and cucking japan in baseball right nowbut the victims of this scheme are its loudest proponents lol
>>154292482>He didn’t play the final, the semifinal, the quarterfinalMessi CL run 06 .jpg
>>154294050that didn't count for some reason, i'm sure of it
>>154294050yeah they didnt won though
pre-VAR titles dont count though i was told?
>>154294380Some cope that waySome meme that way
>>154294385soccer is a highly rigged and divefaggot infested sport so it checks out
>>154292482you're in some chicano's thread dude it's quite obvious he hasnt seen a single clip of pele actually playing, who was quite decorated but never the main man of the brazilian team.the best player in their 1970 world cup win was jairzinho and gerson was objectively MOTM on the final
>>154292175I thought it was a scene from Xavier Renegade Angel.
>154292551Nobody gives a shit about this "war" you talk about, you autistic fuckGo give your wages to israel, goymutt. Daddy trump orders you.
>>154291459Messi won 4 CLsHe was the top goalscorer for years even when barca were shit in the late 2010sHe faced criticism for choking in finals with argentina, but he wasnt the only one who choked. His entire team was ass (pele didnt carry brazil, he was surrounded by world class players)
LMAOzuttkaner pretending to be a /sp/ tourist than spamming the same thing as always for the rest of the threadis he fucking retarded or something
>>154296415The gimmick would have worked 10 years ago but with so little active people here, it's so obvious it's sad.
>american tries to understand sportkek
>>154291459kek they so angry this happened
>>154291459pele's world cups count, but he technically only has 2, garrincha carried the team in 62messi is usually considered the goat because he was a playmaker and a decisive forward all in one, but even then you have to put a massive asterisk next to his career because when he was at his most dominant, the entire backbone of his team were either the best or were near the best at their positions in the world, so much so that they won 3 straight international tournaments in a row without messi pretty handedly
>>154291459who's that
>>154291459
>>154291459Pele got his cups back when the game was much easier, with less parity and poor officiating.
>>154291459Messi led South Americans minnows Argentina to their first Copa in two decadesAnd then to another one
>>154292482>he can't be le goat because he comes from a small country with no chances at silverwareIf only there was someone that has single handedly carried his small nation to silverware for the first time ever (twice) and held ALL the records of the most important and prestigious football competition maybe we could put the debate to rest but alas....>Who the fuck cares about this dumb GOAT debate anyway? There can never beIt's important because we need a paragon for the sport, someone that the younger generations can look up to, we need to find someone that has overcome all possible adversity, upbringing, institutions, the media and even the script and has beat all that through sheer hard work, willpower and determination instead of being spoonfeed, i don't know, drugs, a tailormade system, and 20 years of paid refs. Maybe some day someone like that will appear
>>154291459Messi is defended by the chosen people so this post is antisemitism
We need to clone Messi, Ronaldo, Pele and Maradona and put them to play all in the same era. We have the technology
>>154291459>>154291521>>154292068>>154292209>>154296749>>154300651>>154301341Cucknaldo
>>154294308>yeah they didnt won thoughWhat?
>>154291487This
>>154291459What is important is the skills that the player shows when playing, not the titles his teams wins. A lot of unknown players have won the World Cup but they aren't considered among the best in history and viceversa.
>>154291487anyone who's a poser you mean? and it's maradona btw
>>154300710He's also the only World Cup winner to score 900 goals.
pele was playing plumbers
Messi Made Argentina Great Again :)
>>154303258Goals aren't the same between leagues though, EPL domestic league goals are easily worth twice goals in leliga or bundles on average Goals outside of Europe absolutely never count, no matter who scores them
>>154300710Third world competitions do not count for anything, only Europe and the world cup matters >>154301276>Waxing poetic about a marketing campaign and your inferiority complex lol it's just one of MANY sports little hombre, it's not life or death
>>154291459You and everyone else are retarded. It's simple, Ronaldinho was the best to ever do it.
>>154303602Cucknaldo
Which milestone will Messi hit first: 1K goals, 500 assists of an absolute record of 50 trophies won?
>>154291459yes, players are objectively better now than they were 6 decades ago
>>154304645I think after this World Cup he is going to retire so I don't think he will reach those goals.
Messi owns shares in a bunch of clubs already.
>>154303590How many World Cup winners have at least 600 European league goals?
