more than two lines I don't read

>>154299628
Noted. The next OP won't have more than 2 lines

>>154299620
not including primera nacional in the OP image? okay i see how it is

>>154299620
does brasileraio have relegation and promotion system?

Interesting proposition

>>154299683
Anon, I just googled best 2nd tier leagues, copied the first few logos that appeared and made the image until it was a neat rectangle. Every single 2nd tier competition can be discussed here. Including of course La B

>>154299685
Brazil has 4 national tiers with promotion and relegation. The top 3 levels have 20 teams each with 4 pro/rel spots, the 4th level is more regionalized. Our 2nd tier isn't far behind the 1st tier, and I would risk saying that the best teams in BR Serie B are about the same level of the worst teams in BR Serie A.

State leagues are separate leagues from the national one, but the qualification for BR Serie D is based on your state ranking.

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USL mentioned

>>154299757
iirc USL was trying to get 1st tier status, so Idk how that would work, but for now it makes sense to add it here

>>154299771
please watch our league

>>154299814
I've watched a few matches on youtube actually. But that was because there were no matches from our league at the time.

I also think this general could get some anons to watch some leagues they would never do by themselves. So it's something I'm also excited. Fucking /copalib/ got me to watch a Peruvian cup match once and it was actually neat

Friendly reminder that we might be looking at a Red Star promotion this season.
Meaning that in two seasons, we could have jumped from "Paris is the only european capital with just one club" to three parisian clubs in Ligue 1
>inb4 some absolute footix goes "well akshully Red Star isn't in Paris intra-muros" shut the fuck up you know exactly what I mean

>>154299928
>created by the jules rimet
Is the red star related to communism at all or just a coincidence?

>>154300021
Red Star's name actually predates the use of the red star as a symbol by communists, that's how old the club is.
It IS a coincidence that it was named that and was the workers' club around Paris as opposed to the posh clubs founded by english expats.

>>154300057
Based then, also
>4 years older than our oldest active club
Red Star lifelong fan here

>>154300102
IIRC Red Star and Le Havre are two of the oldest still active clubs in the world (although I think Le Havre had to be re-founded after a bankrupcy in one of these cases where the club legally stops existing for a day so ownership transfer or the creation of a new legal entity by the same people can be processed, I don't remember the exact details for this case)

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Derby have had a great season considering we stayed up on the last day of last season. And the journey back from almost liquidating and league one. However we cannot kid ourselves as this Championship has been pretty poor. Next year you will have Burnley, West Ham/Spurs, Norwich and Sheff Utd looking much stronger and Southampton/Ipswich/Boro if they don't go up.

Unfortunately we have too many injuries right now to make a strong push into the play-offs, but you never know.

COME ON YOU RAMS!!!

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>I'll never see my club in the first division again because of the shit format and you have to suck Tapia's ball so he rigs it for you
Honestly it wouldn't be that bad if we had the old 2011/2012 format cause it was comfy but having 40 teams in La B is such a shitshow. I can't wait to get eliminated from the world cup by Argelia so the fucking president fucks off already
Btw OP I like the idea but needs a better name

>>154300510
My team has never went above Serie B and it's the team that has played the most in it...

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We're shitting the bed and might fall out of the playoffs. Huge game on Tuesday night were we can relegate Leicester to League One

Overall though it's been a great season despite having a transfer embargo. Sergej Jakirović has been a good manager and the embargo meant we had to be shrewd with transfers instead of buying Turkish league shitters for too much because of our crazy Turkish owner.

>>154300127
That's cool, I hope Red Star can become elite again

>>154300449
Damn, I thought the playoffs in Championship had 8 teams... Yeah, it seems unlikely, 3 points behind 6th, 3 matches left, 3 above average opponents, and injuries. Next year for sure though

>>154300510
>but having 40 teams in La B
Jesus Christ I didn't know Tapia was ruining La B too...
>Btw OP I like the idea but needs a better name
Suggestions are welcome lol I just couldn't think of a better name. /2nd/ sounds incomplete, /tier2/ or /2tier/ are ok but not that interesting... Any idea?

>>154300873
>3 draws and 1 loss
Yikes
>Huge game on Tuesday night were we can relegate Leicester to League One
What the fuck what happened to Leicester? Did they sell their soul for that title?
>despite having a transfer embargo
QRD?

Also, when I was a kid I used to love this crest because I thought it was a Jaguar, then when I was 11 or 12 I finally paid attention to the detail and realized it was a Tiger so I stopped liking it....

>>154300510
>I'll never see my club in the first division
>again
Quilmes, CASM or Chacarita?

>>154301490
>What the fuck what happened to Leicester? Did they sell their soul for that title?
Their benevolent owner died in a helicopter crash leaving the stadium, and his son has fucked up. Despite having a load of players from the PL their attitudes have been awful for a relegation scrap.

They got deducted 6 points for breaking the profit and losses rules and their heads have gone.

>>despite having a transfer embargo
>QRD?

Not paying other clubs what we owed them for loan and transfer fees. Our current owner Acun Ilıcalı is a Turkish TV mogul and a bit erratic and this was the culmination of it.

>>154299620
>I hope one day we get footie board here, fuck it call it /sc/ - Soccer, I don't care... I think it would be better for both footie and other sports.
Just no. It's not worth it because of the 4CC already. /sp/ belongs together, the inter-sports banter is too important to abandon

As with many 2nd tiers, we've got a lot of chaos especially in the lower half of the table. Like ten clubs are battling relegation, Fortuna Düsseldorf currently are on a streak of five Ls in a row and look to be the most prominent victim of relegation as of now. But it's impossible to say what else is happening
On the other side of the table, the village club of Elversberg (from a town of 15,000) currently occupies 3rd place (the playoff spot), followed by traditional "big name" Hannover 96. >Schalke are first, eternal 2nd tier powerhouses Paderborn are second
Four games to go

My palloilijas are 0-3 in the season :(

>>154301690
>Their benevolent owner died in a helicopter crash leaving the stadium, and his son has fucked up.
Damn... I hope they can recover eventually
>Not paying other clubs what we owed them for loan and transfer fees. Our current owner Acun Ilıcalı is a Turkish TV mogul and a bit erratic and this was the culmination of it.
Wait, doesn't the Premier League have financial fair play, wouldn't that prevent stuff like this? Or Championship isn't part of the PL? As in the actual league

>>154301719
>Just no. It's not worth it because of the 4CC already. /sp/ belongs together, the inter-sports banter is too important to abandon
Actually a very good point

>>154301719
>the village club of Elversberg (from a town of 15,000) currently occupies 3rd place
SOVL
>Schalke
Growing up I thought Schalke was elite... Are they just an yoyo club now?

>>154299620
id rather get a general for all leagues outside the big 4
more interesting to hear whats going on in some league you dont hear about than hear more brits and germans talk about our 2nd divisions which are just the same but shitter

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i unironically don't want my club to try too hard to be promoted from the championship to the premier league
here there's less financial doping, no VAR, attendances are still high, and most players are actually from the british isles

>>154301745
The Premier League only run the Premier League, it broke away from the rest of The Football League (now the EFL) in 1992. EFL runs Championship, League One, League Two.

They had different sets of rules around club sustainability and spending.

>>154301834
This is true. When you go up as an unfashionable club it's kind of miserable.

You go from local media and decent away fans from "proper" clubs, to being scrutinised by clueless "Big 6" pundits, being forgotten on Match of the Day, and daytripper plastics and vlogging zoomers.

>>154301745
>SOVL
Elversberg are a bit controversial. Many traditionalists dislike them because they only rose to relevancy recently, and they have a pretty big investor causing their success. But performance-wise, you cannot argue with them ... and they are not as much of hardcore sellouts as Leipzig, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim, Leverkusen
>Growing up I thought Schalke was elite... Are they just an yoyo club now?
Schalke are obviously still a large club. Big clubs suffering from massive incompetence is a very prominent feature of German football: Hamburg, Köln ... and until recently also Frankfurt and Stuttgart
Schalke almost had to consider relegation to the 3rd tier last season, their last Bundesliga season was in 22/23, when they got relegated right after promotion. So this is their third season in the 2nd tier. You could argue this means they are currently not even a yoyo club
They've got financial problems, but they've begun to figure out how to not be super retarded recently. It seems like they'll manage to get promoted, but the Bundesliga might be a big challenge for them in their current form as a club in total. They obviously have the long-term potential to actually leave a mark there, though

>>154300510
Sounds like cope from teams that have little or no story in the first division when the current format is as simple as it gets with the amounts of teams(too many but it'd be nonsensical for there to be less teams than LPF), the only thing that's nonsense is how the teams are distributed in the two groups. And the truth is that the real mess in the argentine football pyramid begins at the third division, something that has NEVER been close to be fixed.

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can they at least make it to the play-offs this year?

>>154302030
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Torneo_Federal_A

My head actually just fell off. What the fuck is this. This is worse than the Copa Peru

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Us Schalkechads will finally leave this general after this season

Hah, joke's on you, MY favourite shitters have been shitting the bed so hard and for so long, they were in Ligue 1 five years ago and are now playing fourth tier ball
>Rani Assaf is gone
>still suck
Ah les crococo les crococo les crocodiiiii-leus ;_;

>>154302150
If were just that then the issue would be, yeah the format is absolute shit, bu fun fact, it doesn't end there, there's "another side" to the third tier which is basically a relic of the past an anachronism that nobody dares to question.

>>154302150
Absolute madness

>>154301730
How does Finland's league work anon?
>My palloilijas are 0-3 in the season :(
They will be 3-3 soon, I bet.

>>154301789
>id rather get a general for all leagues outside the big 4
That's not a bad idea either... All South American leagues are talked in /copalib/, and mls and ligamx have their own threads, so that would mostly be about other European leagues, Africa and Asia... Interesting

>>154301834
I understand the feel. My team has been in Serie B since forever and I don't think they would do that well in Serie A, at the same time there is all kinds of fuckery going on there, so I'm not that mad whenever we miss promotion (which we never had)

>>154301871
Makes sense. Brazilian teams have been trying to create a league à la Premier League for a while now, but the plan is to cover both Serie A and Serie B, and maybe even Serie C, since they all have the same format (C has a similar but not the exact same), and all of them have traditional teams. Has the EPL ever talked about the possibility of creating a 2nd level or integrating Championship? Idk
>They had different sets of rules around club sustainability and spending.
It must be a mess to be promoted for the first time, now I kind of want to see Wrexham getting promoted just to get btfo in all senses kek

>>154301966
>Elvesberg
>pretty big investor causing their success
Hm...
>and they are not as much of hardcore sellouts as Leipzig, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim, Leverkusen
Wolfsburg? I thought they were sovl because of Grafite... :( What happened?
>Schalke almost had to consider relegation to the 3rd tier last season, their last Bundesliga season was in 22/23, when they got relegated right after promotion. So this is their third season in the 2nd tier. You could argue this means they are currently not even a yoyo club
This makes me wonder, how do the top half of 2.Bundas and the bottom half of 1.Bundas compare?

>>154302030
>real mess in the argentine football pyramid begins at the third division
Anon,I

>>154302150
>uneven groups
>another group stage
>everything else
>revalida
What the fuck. What's up with Chiqui Tapia's boner for groups?

>>154302167
>Us Schalkechads will finally leave this general after this season
lmao

>>154302191
>they were in Ligue 1 five years ago and are now playing fourth tier ball
>>Rani Assaf is gone
Hey, it could been worse... My friend's team used to be a Serie A staple and now is at the 2nd tier of the state league and no national division, in comparison that would be like falling from 1st tier to 7th tier. And all of this happened in around a decade or so and despite having around 1mi fans and putting 35k+ fans on the stadium from time to time.

>>154302229
>Anon,I
Look it up champ, you'll see what I mean.

>>154302275
I did and you were right, I apologize >>154302274

>>154302275
Do you mean the split between BA and the entire rest of the country?

>>154302229
>Wolfsburg? I thought they were sovl because of Grafite... :( What happened?
They have always been despised by the vast majority of fans. People did like Grafite and Dzeko, but it never extended to the entire club. Wolfsburg are 100% owned by VW, the entire city of Wolfsburg is pretty much owned by VW. It's known as a very boring and overall irrelevant place. German football fans tend to be very much against clubs not being fan-owned, and Wolfsburg is one of the clubs not adhering to this standard. They are an exception to the otherwise strict 50+1 rule - so many fans hate them for that, as the club receives up to 100 million from VW per year (plus VW outbalances financial losses of the club, which regularly are very high) and thus has a very expensive "premium" squad despite the club itself not having a lot of pull. Their attendance is one of the worst in the league, general interest outside of the city of Wolfsburg is very low. They have basically no history beyond being VW's toy
And since VW itself is struggling financially now, some people are additionally pissed that the company fires factory workers to save money while still financing a very expensive club that basically no one really likes. And the payoff for all of that money is minimal, they've got one of the most expensive squads of the league and haven't achieved anything of note for years
Casual fans don't care about them at all, organized fans hate them. The club simply occupies a spot it cannot reach on its own, and in a very inefficient manner. Many fans want them gone asap

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>>154302150
dios mio... can't you guys make a petition to milei to use his presidential powers to behead tapia or something?

>>154302301
Damn, so they are basically a RedBull club, but local... That's much worse than I thought, damn. How come they were able to get around 50+1? They were owners beforehand? Can't the league do something about it?

Also, have the clubs who follow the 50+1 rule ever hinted or attempted a "coup", like "you guys need to fix this shit or we are leaving and making our own league"? Or is that just not realistic from a financial standpoint?

>>154302229
>how do the top half of 2.Bundas and the bottom half of 1.Bundas compare?
Hard to say in detail and for sure
2nd Bundes is called the "strongest 2nd tier in the world" here, which is of course partially a marketing stunt. There are many traditionally big clubs in the 2nd tier, and they are quite good all in all. But modern football is so finance-focused and the difference in sponsorships and TV money is so high between 1st and 2nd tier ... you'd normally expect the Bundesliga member to win, of course. The relegation playoffs are quite telling in this regard
2nd Bundes is quite balanced from top to bottom. And once your average smaller Bundesliga side, like Bochum, gets relegated, they often get whacked in the 2nd tier. But if you're a Bundesliga member for two or more years, you can have a much larger budget than any 2nd tier member

The difference is not as stark as in the Premier League, where the yoyo effect is much stronger and the financial gap is much larger ... but it could be more balanced. Especially when you realize that many 2nd tier clubs like Hertha, Kaiserslautern, Hannover are historically bigger and stronger than many bottom 1st tier clubs like Mainz, Augsburg, Union

>>154302274
To be fair Tapia didn't create that though, the current format isn't too different from what it's been most of its history even when it was called Torneo Argentino A, its evolution has been hillarious it's had as much as 120 teams and as little as 16 and then stabilized back to 30-40 teams. At that level having teams divided by geographical groups isn't the problem but having uneven groups and the fact that the format consists of a million rounds that don't make sense makes the whole setup completely retarded. Also again that it isn't the only third tier league...
>>154302287
Right, although calling it that is somewhat bogus because if you like that the teams from that side you'd find that the distinction is nonsensical when you have teams from Rosario, Santa Fe, Junin, Zárate, along other places, basically cherrypicked clubs from places that aren't AMBA, which probably made sense in the 50s or 60s but not in 2026, also funny thing in the TFA you have Atlético Escobar which is a club from AMBA but ended up there because like most clubs in the country(and really the way it's everywhere and that should be the norm for any club in Argentina) had to begin at a regional league and climb through the divisions. Ultimately the issue with the 1st and 2nd divsion is that there're too many teams(and that's merely the surface) but the mess with the 3rd division and below is of a completely different nature.

>>154302306
If Milei doing "anything" at all is the alternative then we're done for. Also the Torneo Federal A(formerly Torneo Argentino A, formerly Torneo del Interior) began in 1986.

>>154302342
That's cool, we have a lot in common in that regard. There are many traditional teams in our 2nd and 3rd tiers, and our 2nd tier is pretty balanced and not too far behind the 1st tier. Sometimes I prefer watching it too, it seems that overall organization is more of a factor than money than in the 1st tier.

I actually think 2.Bundas has a strong argument for best 2nd tier actually, I think only it, Championship and BR Serie B are in this discussion. Yours is very technical and organized, Championship is very fun to watch and BR Serie B is very competitive and traditional, its pretty much an extension of A. I feel like La Liga 2 and Serie B suffer much of the same problems of their 1st tier, but this could be a biased view.

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>>154299757

>>154302340
There are four big objects of hate that got around 50+1: Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, Hoffenheim, Leipzig

Leverkusen and Wolfsburg basically occupy the same spot, but in different ways. They are owned by Bayer and VW respectively, but the clubs are older than the 50+1 rule in its current form, and so is the involvement of the companies. But they were not always propped up the way we know it today: these clubs started as recreational teams for factory workers and thus always received support from the companies - but it was small and "for fun". But the companies eventually realized that they can push their brand in a big stage by pumping money into these clubs.
There's a backdoor in the rules that states that being a "reliable support to a club for >20 years" is enough to open a path to club ownership - convincing the few "fans" is easy in such a situation. That's how VW and Bayer made it
Interestingly, Bayer Leverkusen - while unpopular - is much more efficiently run than VfL Wolfsburg. And they also have much stronger fan identity. Some people tolerate Leverkusen because of that, but Wolfsburg is super unpopular

There have never been threats of creating an own league. It's unrealistic. But there are complaints, and there is pressure to change rules. Recently, German courts have pointed out that having such a two-tiered system is unfair

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i don't really like it here

>>154299757
I don't have a team in the (based) USL anymore because >my team is in Next Pro now. Who should I support?

>>154302412
What's the deal with Hoffenheim?

>>154299620
unfortunately serie B and serie C here have suffered a huge downgrade in quality just like the top flight since the people in charge believe trickle down economics applies to football, serie B used to be the best spectacle around, still is compared to serie A, but it's painful to watch at times.

>>154302446
Hoffenheim are a tiny village club that you only saw in the low amateur tiers, regional football with the local lads. But they also happened to be the childhood club of Dietmar Hopp, the man behind SAP. Hopp is a billionaire and decided to financially support them. Giving money to local amateur clubs is obviously not exactly regulated. Hopp was eventually allowed to take control of the club because of that 20 year rule. He invested >500 million in total, can't say for sure. But the club itself obviously only has very few fans and no tradition whatsoever. Other fans are mad at them for having that financial advantage. Hopp has returned his shares by now, so Hoffenheim technically adheres to 50+1 ... but Hopp still gifts them millions whenever they are in trouble

Hopp also originally planned to fuse multiple local clubs in the region under the name of the biggest city in the region (Heidelberg, Germany's biggest city with basically zero football legacy whatsoever). It's quite telling that even in Heidelberg, Hoffenheim has basically no fan presence despite being relatively successful

Their stadium is very empty, in even in good seasons. Traditional powerhouses coming there regularly fill >50% of the seats there because local interest is so low

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These guys got relegated just barely via playoff from the top flight last season after ending the season with like 8 straight defeats, came out of nowhere. They are 4th in the Marathon-table and one of the big classic teams here. Starter the first 2 games in the 2nd division with 7-0 GD and 2 wins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NzmErrgi5k

>>154299685
Yes, the bottom two teams duke it out with bows and arrows and poisoned darts in the Amazon...

>>154301834
quite a different world, when I was a kid my local club wasn't promoted from the swamp league to the jungle league only because they didn't have fax machine, it was one of the administrative requirements

Can someone redpill me on Zaragoza, i remember they were relegated to 2. LaLiga in 2013 and has slowly slowly sank in the table year by year, now they need big stuff to not get relagated from 2. LaLiga. Meanwhile fun teams like Ceuta(North Africa) and FC Andorra are in 2. La Liga

>>154303486
From a football giant to third division fodder

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>>154302445
you never stop supporting your team, obviously

>>154302386
based

>>154304349
what went wrong?

>>154304385
Next Pro isn't a real league, it's just training for MLS reserves. I want a USL team to support on the side.

>>154304624
your closest team

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So we all here agree that 2nd tier derbies are always better than the ones in first division? Or is there any country where this isn't the case?

>>154299620
ADO Den Haag and SC Cambuur promoted this season to the Eredivisie. ADO also became champions. ADO is back to the first-tier after 5 seasons, Cambuur is back after 3 seasons.

Willem II, De Graafschap, Almere City, RKC Waalwijk and Roda JC qualified for the play-offs. Willem II and De Graafschap for the 2nd Round, Almere, RKC and RJC for the 1st Round. The final play-off spot is decided coming Friday and the contenders are:
>FC Den Bosch (through league position)
>Vitesse (through period championship)

The only way for Vitesse to qualify for the play-offs is if they beat Cambuur and either ADO loses to Den Bosch or Willem II loses to FC Dordrecht. Because Willem II and ADO are already period champions, Vitesse just needs to be second place to guarantee a play-off position.

Funnily enough, FC Den Bosch can guarantee itself a play-off position if it allows ADO to beat them - as long Willem II doesn't lose to Dordrecht.

So an interesting position for the final play-offs spot of the season in the KKD. The No. 16 of the Eredivisie will face the winner of the KKD play-offs.

>>154304897
Some derbies are too big for the 2nd tier. They work everywhere, but they deserve the biggest stage possible

>>154303486
>>154304459
I'll add more: Their great record caused too much debt in its day, and staying at first division was slowly becoming too much to maintain. At the team, trainers entered and left every month or so, causing an inestability that further doomed things too.

When they got relegated, an obsession to return to primera filled their very being, and so they got even more debt to do so. Returning once more to segunda, after bleeding out the last coffers, caused a fatal wound that they just couldn't heal from, so they have been stuck in a limbo of massive debt for more than a decade now.

>>154304899
Analysis for the qualified teams:
>Willem II
Relegated last year as 16th placed in the Eredivisie after losing the play-off finals to Telstar. Was for the last 30 years a regular in the mid to low tiers of the Eredivisie, with 4 relegations and 3 promotions in the last 15 years.
Was a favorite for the top 2 spots, but fell short halfway. If they achieve promotion, it will be the club's 8th promotion to the first tier in club history.

>De Graafschap
Been playing in the second tier ever since their relegation in 2019 due to losing the play-off final to Sparta Rotterdam. One of the biggest yo-yo clubs of the country.
Always tailed the top 2 but never could catch up to ADO and Cambuur. If they achieve promotion, it will be the club's 10th promotion to the first tier in club history, and the second-most promoted club in Eerste Divisie history.

>Almere City
Relegated last year as 18th directly to the second tier.
The youngest professional club in Dutch football, Almere steadily grew to a strong mid-table play-off contender with potential for more until their first promotion in 2023.
If they achieve promotion, it will be the club's 2nd promotion to the first tier in club history.

>RKC Waalwijk
Relegated last year as 17th directly to the second tier. An Eredivisie low-tier mainstay for 2 decades until its evolution to a yo-yo club after relegating in 2008.
Started strong this season, before collapsing in the 2nd Period and rebounding by the 3rd period. If they achieve promotion, it will be the club's 2nd promotion to the first tier in club history.

>Roda JC
Relegated in 2018 as 16th placed by losing the play-off semi-finals to Almere City. Formerly a stable regular midcard in the Eredivisie for 40 years, their relegation in 2014 started a financial and on-field downward spiral Roda hasn't recovered from since.
If they achieve promotion, it will be the club's 3nd promotion to the first tier in club history.

>>154305063
While nowadays their economy is better , thanks to the new investments, they have been struggling severely these last years, and after barely staying in second division this previous season, they are really, really biting the edge of the stair this year.

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The championship doesn't go far enough. For me, it's league 2 side Salford City F.C.

>>154300449
based ramsbro
need a few favours for a playoffs push but hull are looking cagey as of late so that's a bit encouraging

Our second tier is cool. Some bullshit clubs no one really needs, but probably better than the Bundesliga itself
Third tier is fine as well, we should definitely get out the reserve teams, though. And it's high time we finally fix our abysmal 4th tier system

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>>154305729
for me, its Regionalliga West

>>154305773
Interesting and based choice
They will survive this year ... as opposed to Wuppertal, kind of a shame. They might be done for
I hope we can reform the 4th tiers asap

>>154305729
The 2nd best player on >my team for the past 7 years came from the 3. Liga and we just sold him to the Championship.

>>154299692
Big if true

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LigaMX was the only soccer thread worth anything but mods/jannies are fucking fags.

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>>154303321

>>154302415
2027 first division

Which UEFA/European football league would I support?

>I hate the United Kingdom
>I hate France
>I hate the Netherlands
>I hate Portugal
>I hate Croatia
>I hate Serbia
>I hate Spain
>I hate Russia
>I hate Germany
>I hate Italy
>A European country without a monarchy
>A European country without any colonial past
>A country without overseas territories
>A member country of the European Union
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union
>A country that only uses the Euro as its currency
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurozone

>>154302274
>it could been worse
Sure can. Even domestically it could be
>Caen
Recently bought by the MBappé family who turn out to be pretty bad at running anything other than down the left flank.
>Bordeaux
I've given up on even trying to understand what is happening in there but for now they're in the 4th tier, possibly climbing to 3rd still.
>Sedan
Pretty much dead
>Sochaux
Very much dead despite some hope after a buyout
>Niort
Undeniably dead
Nîmes is just its own unique embarrassment because it's not just the covid+mediapro double whammy, it's not chinese ownership, instead it's local ownership tanking the club almost on purpose out of pettiness because the supporters and the city weren't grateful enough that he paid off the debts once.

CAM ON BRADFORD CAM ON BRADFORD

>>154312459
Austria, the Baltics and Finland arethe only ones I can think of that could fit the bill
>Switzerland
Not EU or Eurozone
>Belgium
Pretty wretched colonial past
>all nordics but Finland
Monarchies
>Poland, Czech Republic
Not Eurozone
>Luxembourg and Andorra
""" monarchies"""

>>154312485
My best option in the Baltics would be Estonia.

Why would the Finnish Veikkausliiga be my ideal football league?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veikkausliiga

>>154312459
Obviously ireland by your standards. About the football league however...

>>154312626
Do you know of any European football league that meets the criteria I'm looking for?

>>154299771
USL is trying to add a Division 1 league above USL Championship and have a 3 tier pro/rel system.

>USL Premier
>USL Championship
>USL One

>>154299620
is it just 2nd tier or 2nd tier and below? serie c is basically serie b 2.0

>>154304899
The whole "each quarter season has a winner who goes to the playoffs" in Eerste Divisie is very strange

Heerenveen came like 16th in 1988, got promoted, and have never been relegated since lel

>>154312646
As i said, league of ireland. That this is your best option also shows why its rough to choose a league based on criteria like yours. Or that its rough to try and become fan of a league in the first place. I'm not a "fan" of first (or second) bundas even if i watch them for teams that partake

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GOOD NEWS for Spurs loanee Yang Min-hyeok who had a burgeoning spell in the Championship at Portsmouth before his club decided he would somehow get more gametime at top-of-table Coventry City and has since made just three appearances since January. Spurs will be needing Championship players next season anyway.

>>154313062
The quarter season championship is very stupid because it literally rewards laziness and incompetence.

You could get a great period, win the championship, qualify and just sit on your ass.

I still remember in 2013/14 when Sparta got the 2nd quarter, then just shit the bed for the second half of the season with only 2 wins, place 16th and reached the play-off finals, only to lose to FC Dordrecht.

At the very least, it does keep the play-offs interesting ngl (the best thing about Dutch football)

my local is in USL :))
can i post here

>>154317001
Just do it!

My local club is currently in the 3rd tier, I hope >we can make it back somewhat soon

>>154317034
thanks friend i hope you have a good a chance to go higher :)
we won our league last year but have no promotion :(

>general about 2nd tier leagues around the world
:)
>my team promoted to the first tier and nobody on /sp/ cares about the Eredivisie so no generals
:(

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Missed this thread when it was started, at least it's still up. Really like the idea of it, good job OP. Maybe expand it to lower league / non-league football in general? Or even smaller top flight leagues like others have said.

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>>154317106
yes hello

>>154317001
hell yah, brother

>>154317106
>>154317120
>Maybe expand it to lower league / non-league football in general
Hmm, I think doing both in the same general would be a bit much, no? I'd be up to try though. I just think if we go for a more general approach then 2nd tiers will be ignored due to people talking about good leagues that don't have their own general like Eredivisie. But we could certainly try for a while and if it doesn't work out we could make 2 generals
> /2tier/ (or a better name, pls recommend)
> /non-top5/ (or a better name, pls recommend)

Also, I was thinking of a way of pushing this idea a bit further, in a way to gather a bit more attention to these leagues. So I was thinking of doing a weekly 2nd tier webm thread too, that could also be done for a non top 5.

Also help, I'm not good with names kek

>>154323687
>Hmm, I think doing both in the same general would be a bit much, no?
Not really. The lower leagues barely get attention as it is on here.

>>154312459
support your local club you fucking plastic

>>154324752
what if my local club has not played football for fifty years?

Den bosch is on the dutch second division and if they lose, they have a better chance of reaching the playoffs. The players say they will try their best to win

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>>154325381
Forgot pic

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My man Markus Anderson has been on a tear so far on loan with Brooklyn FC in USL. 3 goals in his first 5 games with them.

>>154325381
>>154325392
Yes, FC Den Bosch will qualify for the play-offs if they lose to ADO Den Haag. ADO already promoted and Willem II already qualified for the play-offs, so Vitesse will get the last play-off ticket if they are in the Top 2 of the 4th Quarter.

So as it goes:
>Den Bosch wins; Vitesse wins; Willem II wins
Vitesse will be in the Top 2 of the 4th Quarter and get the play-off ticket
>Den Bosch wins; Vitesse loses; Willem II wins
Den Bosch will go to the play-offs due to its league position.
>Den Bosch loses; Vitesse wins; Willem II loses
Vitesse will be in the Top 2 of the 4th Quarter and get the play-off ticket
>Den Bosch loses; Vitesse wins; Willem II wins
Den Bosch will go to the play-offs due to its league position.
>Den Bosch wins; Vitesse ties; Willem II wins or ties
Vitesse will be in the Top 2 of the 4th Quarter and get the play-off ticket
>Den Bosch ties; Vitesse ties; Willem II wins/ties/loses
Den Bosch will go to the play-offs due to its league position.
>Den Bosch loses; Vitesse wins; Willem II ties
Vitesse will be in the Top 2 of the 4th Quarter and get the play-off ticket

Den Bosch has a 42.85% chance to qualify, while Vitesse has a 57.15% chance to qualify.

The odds are in Vitesse's favor. So not only does Den Bosch HAVE to lose, Willem II MUST win as well in this scenario. While for Vitesse, all they have to do is win the final game.

>>154302386
>>154304385
Man this USL logo is sick, I already like it more than the MLS just because of that

Guys, what about /wl/ - World Leagues?

In this case, as I mentioned in a previous post, we'll try to combine the 2nd tier general idea with the non top 5 league idea at least initially, if it doesnt work out we can just split as both ideas are good imo

Any idea?

>>154299620

>>154325673
/wfl/ - world football leagues
/ol/ - other leagues
/ofl/ - other football leagues

idk

>>154325673
i think a general for all leagues that don't get a general (so leliga/eplel/bundas/pizza A/leligue + all of conmebol premieres due to /copalib/) would make sense, including lower divisions of the previously mentioned leagues as well
issue with that is that it might muddle the waters too much by trying to cover too much ground and lose focus, but if they were separate the threads likely won't survive
maybe calling it something like /2/+/alt/ - Lower divisions and alternative leagues

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>>154325673
>/wl/ - World Leagues
That would be alright
Plays into the WORLD LEAGUE meme as well

how we feeling today /2bros/

>>154299628
op seems like a cool guy, i regret making this post. here's a bump

FERRO CARRIL OESTE 'TIL I DIE

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>>154326193
>>154326374
We'll try both of a while and see what sticks lol

>>154328567
The same, my team is still trash (19th)

>>154329732
Don't mind anon, I know how this site works by now lol

>>154336334
I still find the new playoff system laaame

>>154337293
Agreed, complete garbage. It's Xaud's first genuine mistake.

>>154337293
same, i hate this playoff shit but if they had at least done 3 straight and 4 teams fighting for 1 spot it would be more acceptable

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We at /2nd tier/ say farewell to Coventry City who after a long dedicated spell have become not shit

>>154339499
top kek that webm, must have been from when they were close to the bottom of League One

>>154339499
>We at [general]
Fuck off with this gimmick

>>154339539
Worse: 8th in League Two

>>154339499
lmfao i'd be mad too

Please lord I am BEGGING you
Do not let Le Mans get promoted to Ligue 1
I know this would require ASSE not to choke which is what the specialize in but please I don't want to see them succeed

>>154339499
absolute fucking SOVL

>>154325532
What is the 4th quaarter?

>>154326193
Does that include womens football?

>>154350934
Of the season, I assume. Like, most points over the last however many games.

>>154350943
>Does that include womens football?
OP here, I wouldn't have a problem with that either, but some could argue that's essentially another sport. But then again, there is no reason why we can't try that for a few threads and see how it goes

>>154350934
The second tier in Dutch football - the Eerste Divisie - is divided in 4 quarters, or "periodes" as we call them in Dutch:
>Quarter 1: 10 matches
>Quarter 2: 9 matches
>Quarter 3: 10 matches
>Quarter 4: 9 matches
All matches total are 38 matches - a full season.

The best performing team during each quarter becomes the "periodekampioen" or "quarter champion" in English. Not only do the quarter champions get a trophy and a monetary reward of 75k €, but will automatically qualify for the promotion play-offs, regardless of league position.

If a prior quarter champion once again wins a quarter, the second-best performing team during the quarter will receive the play-off ticket. If the second-best team already won a quarter themselves, then the play-off ticket will be decided by position at the end of the league. If the top 2 of the league have won quarters, then the play-off ticket(s) they won will go into the league as well.

Let's use this season as an example:
ADO won the first quarter, thus qualifying for the play-offs.
ADO also won the second quarter, so the play-off ticket went to 2nd best of the quarter Cambuur.
Cambuur won the third quarter, but because they already got the ticket from the second quarter, Willem II would receive it as the 2nd best of the quarter.
Now, that ADO and Cambuur promoted, the play-off tickets both teams won will be sent into the league and given to the two highest placed teams .

Add the youth teams into the mix (Jong PSV is in the Top 8 of the league) who can't join the play-offs, and you got a cooky little promotion system.

Now, if only they also allowed promotion/relegation between the 2nd and 3rd tier, and we'd have a healthy football pyramid for the first time in centuries.

>>154351699
This seems crazy to me. 9 games is not enough to determine who the good teams are.

>>154353894
Depends on the number of teams to be honest, but I tend to agree that playing only once against an opponent in a league system is retarded. If it were a knockout format then it would make more sense

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is every single spot up for grabs in your leagues too?

>>154354956
>5 relegation spots
VGH, I wish, this should be the standard here in all tiers

>>154354956
>>154354989
Damn, I need to buy a new monitor, I didn't realize those were two different colors until I read the legend and changed screens

does anyone have a clip of itten's goal in the current fortuna v dynamo match?

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>>154354956
For me, it's Venezia, almost solely because these are my favorite kits on any league

>Den Bosch fans are absolutely cheering with each goal ADO scored against them
>Vitesse fans threw fireworks on Cambuur's pitch after they scored the equalizer


>>154353894
>>154354848
Oh no, dw, you still play twice against each team in home and away matches. You still play a full season, but the season is sort of divided in 4 to determine the play-off positions.

I know it sounds very confusing, but it's been a big staple in Dutch football for decades now, so the crazyness of it is much more normal to me.

>>154354956
In Ligue 2, pretty much.
>1 Troyes on 61
>2 ASSE on 57
>3 Le Mans on 57
>4 Red Star on 54
>5 Rodez on 52 for the last promotion playoff spot
>6 Reims on 51
>7 Montpellier on 50
In National/3rd division, not so much. Dijon and Sochaux would need to choke all their remaining games to drop the promotion and playoff spots, and they're both going to be playing relegation candidates on a bad form.
Would be neat to see Sochaux finally come back to the full pro levels.

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4th tier division

>>154336334
>>154337412
And Novorizontino will still find a way to bottle it.

>>154326193
Come to think of it, why doesn't "LaLiga" have a general? Not popular enough?

lads we twatted Stoke City away from home
>>154373932
i remember when flags appeared on /sp/ in 2012, there was hardly any Spain flags and most La Liga discussion came from South Americans and a few Europeans. that was back during peak Messi-Ronaldo rivalry, i don't really know what it is that pulls people to that league now.

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brah valencia and sevilla shouldn't be there

>>154374096
When I look at this I cannot help but think La Liga would be 10x better without Real, Atleti and Barça

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See this pic lads, I want you to remember this. This is my team, we are first in the second division and we are going to get fucking promoted. We play the most giga retarded ultra attacking football ever seen, my team is going to heal foottie next year once we arrive in Lel Liga. You've been warned.

>>154387200
Castellon would also be cool to have up, Imagine if they win a derby vs Villarreal. And Ceuta would be kino to have up, La Liga games in north africa, though maybe next year for them.

Are you a sPainiard studying/working in Ireland

>>154387512
I am a spaniard yeah. Don't get tricked by the flag.

>>154374006
>lads we twatted Stoke City away from home
Genuinely amazing that in 8 seasons of being in the Championship, Stoke have never finished higher than 14th and no lower than 18th. Absolutely stunning commitment to mediocrity. They have not finished in the top half of any division for a decade.

>>154394577
My team is finishing in one of those positions for the first time in about 20 years. Never been 12th-19th in all that time.

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we'll host our own open cup
WITH BLACKJACK
AND HOOKERS

>>154374096
Man, I remember when Espanyol was a top tier team in Spain

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Huge news for regional tournaments in Brapzil

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>>154299620
>>154325673
imo for a general to stick it needs to cover enough stuff to attract enough anons to have enough topics to talk about every once in a while but not too much that it becomes a divided general with many sub topics, eventually one topic will overshadow the rest and then you will get a general that in theory covers a lot but its just a couple of retards masturbating themselves to the same topic over and over again

imo 2 generals would be best and even then i think it would still be too many topics to cover

unless it's a general that has "events" like some anons do on other less serious boards where every day an anchor post brings up a certain topic and everyone gives their input, but it requires a little bit of an effort from everyone involved

as for the name, i think /wl/ world leagues is good enough if combined, if separate i would go with /ll/ lower leagues

>>154403578
my lads are in 5th after seven games of glorious USL

Saw the Racing highlights from North Africa just now, 3 millimiter dissallowed offside goals and 1 post hit that nearly went in still.

>>154395298
I've always been curious about the Copa Verde because it's composed exclusively of teams from states barely anyone but themselves cares about, really neat idea for a tournament

What is the 5th tier like in your country?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ixMo2L400

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>>154404383
>I've always been curious about the Copa Verde because it's composed exclusively of teams from states barely anyone but themselves cares about, really neat idea for a tournament
It's pure sovl, too bad CBF wants to sabotage it and Copa Nordeste

>>154405029
>What is the 5th tier like in your country?
We don't have it. We have a 4th tier and teams qualify to it via state league ranking

>>154405136
I strongly recommend you get one

>>154405169
Why? Having more tiers is gay, it takes longer for teams to reach the 1st tier and protects bigger teams. I think 4 is the perfect number for Brapzil because of state leagues and the number of regional teams we have.

>>154405029
No 5th tier unless you count state championships, which are kind of their own thing but they do count towards having a spot in Serie D

>>154405029
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyWjzxHg-Qw
not great

>>154405239
Because watch the video
More = better simple as

>>154406183
The same happens in state leagues though, we don't need another meme tier

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>>154403578
I think lesser leagues / lower leagues in big countries is more than enough for one general.

>>154405239
You think 5 is a lot? Here's the full FA-organised pyramid: all the way down to the 10th tier. If you go into the county leagues outside the pyramid, you could be as low down as tier 20: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_football_league_system#The_system

>>154406328
>You think 5 is a lot?
Yes, in our situation that is. Some state leagues have 2 or 3 tiers, so that's 6 to 7 tiers in total, with 4 being national. It's plenty. Why would you wanna protect big teams that much? Why would you wanna lock your talent down so much? No wonder England doesn't produce that many talents despite this much structure and money. Everyone is stuck levels below the elite. Here a 16yo can face a Serie A team on his 1st or 2nd professional year just by being on the 1st tier of the state league, no matter how good or bad he is. The less cross tier competition there is and the longer it takes to reach higher competition the more stagnant your talent pool gets

>>154406328
Fourth division teams already have all of their travel costs subsidised by the federation, whatever would constitute our fifth tier would also need to be heavily subsidised.
We're fine with four national tiers and lots of state tiers for the moment.

>>154339499
topkek

>>154300127
>IIRC Red Star and Le Havre are two of the oldest still active clubs in the world
Sheffield FC have been continuously active since 1857, it's the first and oldest football club in the world. The club is sort of a "UNESCO Sports Heritage" category. They permanently operate around the 7th-8th tier of the English League System only to maintain itself financially and never spend more than they make so they can never go bust.

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>>154411658
They're actually too shit even for 7th/8th tier now, they're back in the regional leagues

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>>154414028
Forgot to mention that diagram on Wikipedia isn't entirely accurate; the 7th and 8th tiers (the Northern Premier League/Southern Football League/Isthmian) are what's known as the "Trident Leagues": https://tridentleagues.com/

They didn't have uniform branding until very recently. 9th and 10th tier are the proper regional leagues.

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>>154414028
Jon McClure from Reverend and the Makers, Sheffield's sixth best band, is the chairman now.

His brother Chris is that "Steve Bracknall" character who pretends to be a Sunday League manager for a BBC comedy podcast or something. He was also the one on the Artic Monkeys album cover.

Hope they just don't turn it into a circus. They're playing in Dronsfield just over the border from Sheffield in Derbyshire.

Hallam FC the 2nd oldest team in the world still inhabit their Sandygate ground, have since 1860

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>>154414222
I'd heard about Jon McClure taking them over, didn't realise his brother was doing that Royal Oak FC bollocks.

>Hallam FC the 2nd oldest team in the world still inhabit their Sandygate ground, have since 1860
Not forgetting that Sheffield/Hallam is the oldest derby in world football. The Rules Derby.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq8mRolJZo4

I hate the Dutch football pyramid. The entire bottom half of the league plays for nothing. MVV, TOP Oss, VVV-Venlo, FC Eindhoven. Just clutching for a lucky quarter period to clinch in a period title.

Imagine 2 direct relegation spots in the 2nd tier while the No. 1 and 2 of the 3rd tier promote, then have a similar play-off system between the 2nd and 3rd tier like the 1st and 2nd tier.

The amount of intense derbies that can happen, underrepresented provinces finally receiving a pro team again (Zeeland). The interesting promotions and returns to pro football.

Look for example at RBC Roosendaal. Went bankrupt in 2011 and started a 13-year rise from the 10th tier to the 4th tier of Dutch football, having a back-to-back-to-back promotion from the 7th to the 4th tier the last 3 seasons, perhaps even a 4th promotion in a row to the 3rd tier if they manage to qualify for the play-offs.

Imagine if they're allowed to return to professional football, almost 2 decades after their bankruptcy.

>>154415164
I've always wondered why the KNVB don't allow direct promotion between the second and third tier. It's fucking bizarre.

>>154415220
It's a two-way street in honesty.
Because the KNVB has strict rules and regulations that would force clubs to take high financial risks. Achilles '29 was the last club that tried it by playing by the KNVB's rules as a top-tier amateur club... after 4 seasons struggling at the bottom, they relegated in 2017 and completely collapsed, crashing from the 2nd tier to the 7th tier in 7 years.

At the same time, the big amateur clubs are very much kicking and screaming about promotion. In reality, most of the top amateur teams are semi-professional - they are often filled with former youth prospects from pro clubs or former 2nd-tier players who decided to play on a less intensive level. They do pay their players hefty under the table, more than half the 2nd tier gives them for salary. They just give them jobs in and around the clubs to "justify" the payment. Add that you also have the struggle of the Saturday/Sunday divide, where the Saturday clubs are often religious clubs who refuse to play on Sundays. The Tweede Divisie's foundation took decades because Saturday amateurs refused to play on Sunday for years. Then you have it that the Sunday teams don't want to play on weekdays (2nd tier matches are often on Fridays), so you got people stubborn to accept change.

If the KNVB just ENFORCED relegation while just allowing a loosening of the guidelines in the 2nd tier, I'd image that it'd be beneficial for not just the connection between the 2nd and 3rd tier, but also allow the poorer 2nd tier teams to not financially struggle.

Currently, there ARE 3rd and even 4th tier teams that want the pyramid to open up and even send the KNVB that they want to become professional. I just hope to see this happen in my lifetime. It would VASTLY improve the quality of the 2nd tier if some of the stagnant, non-evolving clubs just have finally a reason to adapt and evolve.

>>154411658
Seen them play a match against Inter Milan with a crowd of nearly 20k. Balotelli and Materazzi were playing and Pele was knocking about.

>Roda
>RKC
>Almere
>Den Bosch
>Willem II
>Graafschap
I think this may be the first season since 2017 where an Eredivisie club survives a play-off, because Excelsior, Volendam and Telstar are all three so much better than those 6.

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Tomorrow starts the second tier of the state league of Rio de Janeiro
Some curiosities
>In the Rio state pyramid teams that are relegated from the first tier have a chance to play the second tier in the same year that they fell. Bangu last year were relegated and promoted back on the same year, Maricá will try to do the same
>Maricá is funded by oil royalties. Both them and America are also playing the national fourth tier which is currently going on
>America is one of Rio's most traditional teams, the fifth biggest winner of Rio's state championship, but they have been horrible for a long time. Romário is currently their president
>Araruama might be able to play for the first time in history in their home city of Araruama as they're trying to get the permits from the fire department and the architecture council to use a local ground
>Both teams relegated from this tier will get a chance to play the third tier this year

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The only team in my parish that plays in the second tier Baptist Alliance might get relegated this season

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>>154426543
oh no

What's football like in Jamaica? I remember when Ian Goodison and Theodore Whitmore came over the play at Hull City together in the 4th tier here and everyone went crazy for them

>>154426543
for me it's Wifi-United

>>154425060
América will soon rise again, RomárioTV is going to give them a lot of attention >>154395298

>>154300102
Your oldest active club is from 1901? I am quite surprised … indeed, Sport Club Rio Grande is from 1900

>>154429932
The state league system was merciless to a bunch of these older clubs, and a few giants that dropped football such as Paulistano who was an elitist team that refused to hire poor fuckers (specially blacks) and was against the professionalization of the sport iirc, and a few others I don't remember the name. It's an interesting story. Paulistano nowadays is only a basketball club I think.

>>154299620
>/2tier/
So that's everything except the English Premier League?

>>154395298
wtf did Romario catch AIDS?

>>154430103
OP here. Basically the initial idea was all 2nd tiers, all of them, from any country. Then anons started suggesting that we just did a general for all leagues that don't have a general, including all tiers.

Right now the idea is to try both ideas for a while, and if it sticks this will become an unified general for all leagues and tiers, if it doesn't then we'll probably split into 2, one for all 1st tiers without their own generals, and one for all 2nd tier and under competitions.

I also find the idea of learning about leagues that I would probably never heard of pretty interesting. I have already learned a few cool stories in this thread. But I was thinking of doing themed generals or special days were we give the spotlight to certain leagues, post webms and discuss. Idk, for now it's just a mess of an idea, we'll see.

>>154429932
Some teams are older but they played other sports and only later opened a football department
The oldest team in Brazil that every played football is Paissandu. They were founded as a cricket club in 1872, won the Rio football state league in 1912, and are now just a social club, with no sporting activities.
Botafogo was founded as a rowing club in 1894. In 1904, the Botafogo Football Club was established. Later the rowing and football team merged
Flamengo was founded as a rowing team in 1895 and later started a football department in 1912
Vasco was founded as a rowing team in 1898 and later absorbed small teams from the Portuguese community to start their football squad in the 1910s
Vitória started as a cricket team in 1899 and started playing football in 1901, etc
But yeah football was quite late to get to Brazil.

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>>154429892
>America will rise soon again
>with Romário
Ask him to stop ordering the manager to play his bagre son Romarinho and maybe it will work lol
Anyways today the second tier of Rio starts as I said. Here are the matches, three of them will have official broadcasts in youtube if anyone wants to watch. All of them will start three hours from now
Olaria x Audax
https://www.youtube.com/live/3ou6WvoPUs0
America x Americano
https://www.youtube.com/live/SBKtKuV0nSg
Araruama x Serrano
https://www.youtube.com/live/o9Eo1zJ6V80

forgot 1 more match, same time as the others
São Gonçalo x Pérolas Negras
https://www.youtube.com/live/p1mkNfx7u_c
Please watch our (2nd tier) league

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There's an article about Portsmouth having the "lowest wage" in the Championship "by almost 20 per cent", which sounds fine but really is just a worrying insight into the lack of investment at the club.
https://archive.ph/EmGqc
>Mousinho spoke extensively about how far behind the rest of the Championship the club is in terms of infrastructure, training ground, staff networks, playing budget.
John Mousinho is essentially the difference and the fans know he will be offered a better job soon.
So unfortunately I think the club will be relegated next season if nothing changes.

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If you had 100% control over your country's footballing pyramid administration, what would you do?

>>154299620

>>154430845
I have read that two players from „my“ club ended up being a pioneer of Brazilian football, founding a predecessor of FC São Paulo and a „German“ club in 1899
I guess it makes sense that you started a bit later than most of Europe. But it wasn’t that much later than continental Europe, and you caught up quickly, that’s for sure

>>154432460
>disband RB Leipzig and enforce 50+1 for Leverkusen, Wolfsburg, and Hoffenheim
>ban reserve teams from any of the top four tiers, let them play in their own leagues
>completely tear the current 4th tier system apart - and unfortunately necessarily everything below that as well. We are much too federal now. As with many things
I can elaborate on the latter if you want, explaining it right away would be a bit overkill

Also, as a shameless Wessi who wants to overcome the East-West divide of this country, I would make big East German clubs forcibly erase their GDR history and have them return to their pre-division status. As in, Dynamo Dresden would be forced to merge with Dresdner SC and take up their name. Lokomotive Leipzig would be VfB Leipzig again. FC Magdeburg would be Viktoria Magdeburg. Smaller clubs from smaller cities with less impressive pre-GDR history can stay, like Energie Cottbus, or Erzgebirge Aue

>>154428558
>What's football like in Jamaica?
the quality obviously isn't all that great but its fun to watch in a way. All of the lower tier leagues below practically have 0 promotion though so its hard to keep up with them unless you're going out of your way to do so or hear from word of mouth. Non JPL stuff isn't televised either outside of a few independent youtubers taking it upon themselves to stream it. I don't really know what else to say about what its like, its the type of thing you'd have to watch yourself. The JPL play offs should be happening in two weeks so you can watch that on youtube if you ever wanted to see what its like. Or you can catch the monday night games on https://www.youtube.com/@JamaicaPremierLeagueTV/streams

>>154432460
Ooh, that's a really good question. I'll have to think about it but will get an answer put up soon.

>>154428558
>>154432620
Or you can see it now I guess humble lion is playing currently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOm31BCAlzY

>>154432460
Integration of regional amateur championships with state leagues would be my top priority
Then stopping série C's planned inchaço to 28 teams, and instead have it follow the top two tiers
Then gradually transitioning série D to 40 teams divided either in two regional groups with 20 teams or four 10 groups with 10 teams.
Then starting série E with 80 teams, divided into 8 groups of 10 teams. That would basically cover almost all serious football teams in Brazil. State leagues continue to exist as they currently do and in fact I'd even try to squeeze some more calendar dates to them by removing two legged Copa do Brasil ties. They're our heritage and I don't want them gone.
Série F is for the future, maybe it could be semipro.

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>>154432460
>>154432698
So here's what I would do for the English pyramid (I have more ideas but these are just the initial ones)

>standardised promotion/relegation between all the 5 national level divisions: PL relegates 3, EFL Champ/L1/L2 promote 2 automatically + 3rd-6th play-offs and relegate 3 automatically; NL also does the same for promotion as the EFL divisions, BUT due to the nature of regionalised divisions, 4 go down from that division (effectively 2 North / 2 South)

>keep NL North / NL South as they are (24 teams per division), but reduce play-offs to 2nd to 5th; there does not need to be an "eliminator"

>7th and 8th tier (Trident Leagues) remain as they are (22 teams per division), but play-offs across the divisions are all played to the same rules (the Isthmian goes straight into penalties after a draw whereas the Northern Premier/Southern League have extra time first)

>9th and 10th tier (regional leagues) to be fixed to 20 teams per division based on geographical proximity of the teams involved

>reserve teams are not allowed to play in the actual pyramid itself; the highest they are allowed to play is 11th tier (the Regional Feeder Leagues or RFLs) and are ineligible to apply for promotion to the actual pyramid

>all RFL divisions MUST have a structure for level 11 and below detailing their respective pyramid system which clearly denotes where specific leagues reside in the respective RFL's "pyramid"

>>154438180
Fuck, I knew I forgot something when I made this post:

>all regional-level play-off finals are played at the ground of the respective league's champions so there is no home advantage gained (currently they're played at the home of the highest placed side's semi-final winner)

>Goalkeeper, 70, set to feature for Spanish club
>At 70, former miner-turned-goalkeeper Angel Mateos Gonzalez is proving age is just a number.
>When he pulls on the gloves for CD Colunga against visitors Praviano in the fifth tier of Spanish football on Sunday, he will reportedly become the oldest player to appear in an official match in Spain.
>Colunga said it has named Mateos in the matchday squad for the Tercera Federacion Group Two fixture as a "tribute" to the keeper, who originally retired from competitive football at the age of 43.

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>>154443946
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamberto_Boranga

>played over 100 times in Serie A
>retired at 77, came out of retirement and is 83 now
>also a Masters Athlete, set the world record master in triple jump, with a distance of 10.75m, in the M70 category

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfHiU8PSV9w

>>154444061
I need to know more about the Italian club Bastardo

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>>154444103
[FB].com/groups/47830293001

They definitely exist(ed)

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>>154444103
>>154444301
It's a real team.

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>>154432460
>League finally gets done, as egalitarian as possible
>Serie A goes to 18 teams with 3.5 relegation spots
>Serie B goes to 22 teams with 4.5 relegation spots
>Serie C goes to 2 groups of 22 teams then knockouts, 8 relegations total
>Serie D 16 groups of 10 then knockouts
>Promotion Cup between Serie C and D, whoever wins gets the playoff promotion spot to Serie B

>Regional cups become leagues and a tier above state leagues and all regionals adopt a WC-like format with 4 or 8 groups of 4 or 5 teams and 8 dates maximum. They would happen before Brasileirão stats, on different days of the week
>Regional tournaments celebrate different aspects of each culture, honor each states footballing history and celebrates the beginning of the season
>Every 4 years a different Regional league invites foreign teams to participate, preferably from other South American countries

>Copa do Brasil: Regional champions + state cup champions + n best teams via ranking so we get around 64 teams

>Official 2nd, 3rd and 4th national teams, and create teams based on each regional league, who play each other or the main national team during FIFA dates

We are a continent and we should behave like one. Also: Regionais.

>West Bromwich Albion have appointed James Morrison as head coach on a two-year contract after steering the club to Championship safety.
they were booing the absolute shit out of him just two months ago

>When Wrexham's first Hollywood season ended in final-game tears
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/crlp8834x42o

>The red carpet was out again for Wrexham in Los Angeles.

>Celebrity co-chairmen Ryan Reynolds and Rob Mac were in the spotlight at the launch of the latest series of the documentary that has put the north Wales club on a global stage.

>Of course, with Saturday's decisive day to come, the final episodes are yet to have their ending.

>A win over Middlesbrough is essential for a place in the play-offs and even then could still not be enough. Anything other than a victory leaves it up to fate.

>yet another Wrexham article where it is made clear and obvious the owners are bigger than the club
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>154432460
I'd make a true pyramid. So that every division relegates into 2 feeder divisions. 5 teams should go down, with 2x2 autos and a joint playoff.

Probably would have 16 teams a league, too, with more random cups. Would introduce new cups like
>The Baltic Sea cup (only teams 20km from Baltic can enter)
>The Carpathian cup (like above but for the mountains, maybe 100km distance)
>The Catholic Cup (only teams which identify as Catholic can join)

Sick of mid table shit.

>>154446263
Ah, forgot to mention. It's fake and gay being the "League 2 winner". Nobody cares, you've just won the title of being shit.

At least if you're the "Champion of the North" or the "Champion of Silesia" your title actually means something.
It'll increase attendances as well. Teams who don't get certain attendances should be banned from charging fans, and disqualified with repeat offences..

>>154446263
>The Catholic Cup (only teams which identify as Catholic can join)
This has a lot of potential depending on how far you'd want to go to invite teams

>>154432460
nuke MLS headquarters, hang Don Garber and leave the body displayed in front of SUM headquarters, and convince blumpf to reinvest all the title 9 funding into a sweeping soccer reform program for elementary schools all around the country

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Well that was random

>>154450256
i wonder how his ancestors got that surname

>>154450417
that's his nickname, his surname is dos Santos Queiroz
Athletic is a curious team, they spent 48 years without playing any official competition and then came back out of nowhere and now they're on the national 2nd tier. Pretty crazy

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Looking for some 2nd tier highlights, will post later

>>154450643
pretty based might /lifelong/

>>154459687
Got me thinking. If you score, and a player punches you in the face as you take your shot. Do you get a penalty after, too?

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>>154459687

>>154460743
I guess they would give you the advantage and ignore it

>>154432460
>ease up regulations for amateur/semi-pro teams to become professional, while making it financially easier for the struggling clubs in the 2nd tier
>turn the first 4 tiers of Dutch football professional, while the 5th and 6th tier will be semi-professional
>reserve teams get kicked out of the pyramid and put in their own league
>shrink the Eredivisie to 16 teams
>dissolve the play-offs for European football, the 5th place directly goes to the Conference League qualifiers
>15th and 16th still relegate directly, 14th will be sent to the relegation play-offs against 2nd tier teams
>shrink the Eerste Divisie to 16 teams
>keep the current play-off system for promotion
>15th and 16th relegate, 14th plays a relegation play-off against 3rd tier teams
>turn the Tweede Divisie in a league of 20 teams, champion and 2nd team promote directly, 3rd till 8th enter the play-offs with the 14th of the 2nd tier
>19th and 20th relegate directly, 17th and 18th play relegation play-offs with the 4th tiers
>merge the Derde Divisie by taking the strongest 20 of League A and B, the 16 weakest teams will merge with the strongest 16 teams of the Vierde Divisie to create a new Vierde Divisie that is split nationally in 2 leagues, the current Vierde Divisie becomes the Vijfde Divisie with 4 leagues.
>Secure better TV deals for the first 4 tiers, no more long-term contracts for 5-10 years

>>154432460
Assuming I can't use magic to make certain tiers more professional and financially lucrative out of nowhere, all I'd do for starters is

>enforce 50+1 for EVERYONE
plus stricter controls for how the money comes in from investors in general. Fuck Leipzig, Wolfsburg, Leverkusen, and Hoffenheim
>reserve teams out of the 3rd tier
Clubs in the first three tiers have reserve sides in their own leagues. Clubs in tier 4 and below can have their reserve sides in the regular pyramid for all I care, but with the usual two tiers of minimum distance at first. So the first tier you could see reserve sides in would be the 6th tier
>change the entire pyramid system below the third tier
Our 4th tier system is super shit, some of the five regional tiers are hilariously weak and filled with village shitters. And we've got five regional champions battling for four promotion spots in a shitty and unfair playoff system. We used to have three tiers that were much stronger, but clubs complained about travel costs. Since I cannot think of a "fair" way to separate the country into four regions, I'd try to return to the three tiers and get in some more money for everyone in hopes of professionalizing everything enough to warrant the travels. Each of the three champions get promoted
I then want six fifth tiers below that. We currently have 14, and they wildly differ in strength. It's Germany's federal history. And so and so forth

I'd also try to give the 3rd tier Bundesliga status in hopes of it getting a bit more money as well
Oh, and I'd attempt to implement a salary cap, force clubs to invest more in youth development, and maybe change our TV money distribution a tiny bit (interest and youth work slightly bigger factors, a bit more parity in total)

>>154459754
Teams in Brazil come back from long periods of inactivity more often than in other countries because most of them are social clubs as well, with infrastructure like ballrooms and pools that are used by the local community. Also many clubs play sports other than football
Don't know about Athletic's case. But my "local" club last played in an official football league in the 1930s and last played any kind of organised football in the 50s. A few years back they were trying to perhaps get back to having at least youth teams but the costs were too high.

>>154465590
To elaborate, the fourth tiers would be
>West
The states of North Rhine-Westphalia, Rhineland-Palatinate, Saarland, and Hesse
>South (Süd)
Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg
>North/East (Nord/Ost)
The rest

These three have roughly equal populations and football representation. West is seen as the strongest, but they have many clubs in the upper tiers already. North/East has the lowest density of overall clubs, but I think having both Berlin and Hamburg makes that up a bit. It's unfortunately the largest region and the one that would rightfully moan about travel costs, as was the case before we went from 3 to 5 fourth tier leagues, which turned out to be a terrible idea
(I'd also definitely rearrange our actual states if I could, I'd model them after cultural regions. But that's a different story)

Below that, I want twice as many tiers. For as long as possible. So six 5th tier leagues. If that's too crazy, then maybe tripling would be fine in this case. But we need fewer leagues in the 5th tier, and they need to be more balanced. My idea would be
>4th tier West splitting into NRW and the rest (RLP, Hesse, Saarland)
>4th tier South splitting into BaWü and Bavaria
>4th tier North/East splitting into North (Lower Saxony, Bremen, Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein) and East (Berlin, Brandenburg, Saxony, Thüringen, Saxony-Anhalt, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern)
Though I'm somewhat inclined to give MeckPomm to North instead to avoid excessive GDR larping, but they wouldn't want that

These leagues would represent roughly equal populations

For me it’s Pompey

>>154467298
The 6th tier would realistically be the lowest tier with any sort of beyond-regional relevance

>5th tier NRW would be split into the 6th tiers of Nordrhein and Westphalia, as the state name shows
>5th tier Middle Rhine or whatever it would be called would be divided into 6th tiers of Hesse and RLP-Saarland
>5th tier Bavaria would be divided into 6th tiers of Franconia and Bavaria proper ... plus Bavarian Swabia (this is something that would be different if I got to rearrange the actual states)
>5th tier BaWü would be the 6th tiers of Baden and Württemberg
>5th tier North would be the 6th tiers of Northwest (Lower Saxony, Bremen) and Northeast (Hamburg, Schleswig-Holstein)
>5th tier East would be the 6th tiers of Greater Saxony (Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt, Thuringia) and Greater Brandenburg (Brandenburg, Berlin, MeckPomm)

Not ideal population distributions, but the best we can get, I think
If you want to see my idea of such a league system in a Germany with non-retarded states, hit me up and you shall receive some extra autism

>>154466395
>But my "local" club last played in an official football league in the 1930s and last played any kind of organised football in the 50s. A few years back they were trying to perhaps get back to having at least youth teams but the costs were too high.
Paulistano?

>>154469290
Did they ever try to return to football?
And no, it's not them. But it's a similar case of team that played in the state leagues when they were amateur but left when they became professional

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>>154299620
CD Tenerife is back to segunda, then Eldense is most likely to be with him in segunda next season the other 2 spots will be for: Sabadell, Algeciras, Cartagena, Europa, Ponferradina, Zarmora or Pontevedra.

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>>154432530
I'd imagine that'd be EC Pinheiros? They used to be called Germânia but they no longer play football. Fun fact, Rio de Janeiro also had a club called Germânia, but they were not a club of the German community, they simply honored the São Paulo club instead
There are some crackpot theories about football having earlier origins in Brazil. Apparently some British sailors played some sort of football before the rules were standardized here. There's also sparse records of a professor that introduced football to a school to Petrópolis in 1876, but nothing too much ever came out of this
And to end this shameless bump uhhh Juventus da Mooca managed to return to the first tier of the São Paulo state league after almost twenty years. They have a good following for a small side, being closely associated to their neighbourhood and to the Italian community of São Paulo. They are called Juventus but they wear Torino's colors, among the founders there were supporters of both teams and they reached a compromise, or so I've heard.

>>154465590
>Our 4th tier system is super shit, some of the five regional tiers are hilariously weak and filled with village shitters. And we've got five regional champions battling for four promotion spots in a shitty and unfair playoff system. We used to have three tiers that were much stronger, but clubs complained about travel costs.
I read about this a while back and was rather confused by the fact 3. Liga has 4 relegation spots to 5 feeder leagues. Would relegating 5 from a division of 20 be too big a proportion? I checked the other "big 5" European leagues and they all have a much more logical progression to the regional levels.

>>154486964
It had three spots because we used to have three 4th tier leagues. 3/20 was low, but they were cautious about increasing the share because the third tier is the lowest „big stage“ after all. Then they went to five fourth tier leagues for logistical reasons, which was a terrible idea because these leagues are overall way too weak. And because of the promotion format, of course. Everyone knew something had to change. The 3rd tier agreed to a fourth relegation spot in return for the number of 4th tier leagues to be reduced to four. So that every champion goes up. But the 4th tiers couldn’t agree on shit so far. The 3rd tier is unwilling to give up another spot because they already gave up a spot without getting anything in return and without the actual problems being solved (leagues being weak and too many). They also don’t want a fifth spot because they feel that would be too much when it comes to the share. Having five clubs drop into the harsh reality of regional football with all the financial repercussions is very unattractive to any club that aims to establish itself in the 3rd tier

>>154487124
What a mess.

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>>154467346
based

I'm glad Wrexham wont get the chance to go up

>>154488538
every single club in the Championship has made a loss, Wrexham is among those who spent big expecting another promotion.
really is a simple matter of their owners realising they've hit a wall and so either they attempt to spend more and risk points deductions or admit this is as far as some eastern welsh team can get.

>>154488181
Indeed. Germany is too federal for its own good …
After years of debates leading to absolutely nothing, they‘re apparently close to going down to four leagues now, with a weird „dynamic compass model“ where 4x18 teams are divided into four geological clusters of North, South, East, and West based on travel time. Weird and not helpful when it comes to the shitty fifth tier distribution below …. but better than the current shit
Bavaria is apparently blocking it the most so far. They got their own 4th tier league when they went up to five. So it’s not a done deal by any means. But they’ve never been this close to a solution

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my teams won today

Congratulations on FC Metz for their relegation from Ligue 1, for joining us in this new general and extending the record of consecutive ups and downs :D

>>154488578
They can just get Wrexham Council to siphon millions of pounds of taxpayer money again and claim it's infrastructure upgrades.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2026/may/02/wrexham-afc-taxpayer-funds-pitch-upgrades

Is it happening for Zaragoza

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We're getting promoted to Serie B next year

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Currently, as it goes in the Eredivisie:
>NAC lost to Utrecht 0-2
>Excelsior beat Groningen 3-2
>Telstar tied with NEC, 1-1
>Volendam lost to Heerenveen, 0-2
>Zwolle beat Heracles, 1-0
>Fortuna choked and lost to Feyenoord, 1-2
As it currently goes, NAC will relegate with Heracles to the Keuken Kampioen Divisie while Volendam will go to the play-offs.

It will be an interesting conclusion because Excelsior will face Volendam next week, while Telstar will face Heracles. Then at the final day, Volendam and Telstar face each other in a real relegation thriller.

Going by how they performed the last 5 matches
>Excelsior gathered 8 points with 2 wins, 2 ties and 1 loss
>Telstar gathered 7 points with 2 wins, 1 tie and 2 losses
>Volendam gathered 4 points with 1 win, 1 tie and 3 losses
Excelsior and Telstar have the highest chances of avoiding the play-offs against relegation. Volendam would be sentenced towards the play-offs at the penultimate match if they lose against Excelsior and Telstar beats Heracles - the current goal difference of 9 goals between them would be impossible to bridge in just 1 match.

NAC has theoretically a chance to avoid relegation if they win their final matches. But with the fact the team hasn't won a match since February and they'll face Heerenveen and AZ, they are basically relegated.
Fortuna would also be in the race against play-offs, but the fact Excelsior, Telstar and Volendam play against each other at least once, means Fortuna is basically safe.

The first half of the group stage of the Brazilian fourth tier ended today and I still haven't gone to a game
Do you guys regularly watch lower division games? I went to three série D games a few years back and they were really fun, even if there were less than a thousand people at the ground
>>154497346
Who'd you like to stay up?

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my team lost 1-0 :(((
how you doing /2tier/ Kings

>>154509042
Only when the local teams are playing
>>154509248
/myteam/ drew 1-1 on Serie D

>>154509436
when does your league start? we're only 8 matches into /2SL/
go riverhounds please follow my team

>>154485246
Yeah, you're right. Hans Nobiling and Hermann Friese are the guys

>>154510972
It's the 5th round for Serie D, it just started last month
Just looked into the Riverhounds, really nice stadium if I say so myself

>>154511164
stadium is pretty new maybe within ten years and extremely comfy I mean views and nice seats and there's beers under the stand
tickets are about $17-30 roughly
beers are like $4 which is ridiculously low

My local club had a terrible start into the season, played like shit and had tons of injuries. Dropped out of the regional cup (which also serves as the qualifier for the DFB-Pokal) quite early and finished the first half of the season on a relegation spot. Then they started popping off out of nowhere and had a crazy run, actually started sniffing promotion. But now it's clear that they won't get promoted and won't reach Top 4 either, which would have taken them to the DFB-Pokal as well
Just feels bad right now tbqh. All for nothing, and now some faggots from the second tier will take some of our star players

Thanks for reading my blog