Tottenham Hotspur football club is the 9th largest club in the world by revenue, with a huge 63,000 seat state-of-the-art stadium in North London. It is one of the EPL's "big six" money-spinning clubs. It is currently in the relegation zone with four games to go. What would the effect be on the Premier League if this happens? They are one of the league's blue-chip money-spinning sides. I don't think anything like that has happened before.
>>154392524>what happens if...
>>154392524Yes, nothing like this has happened before. Not because Spurs would be the biggest club ever to get relegated, far from it, but because commercialization and financial disparity, especially in and due to the Premier League, have never been more extremeThere are parachute programs in England for relegated clubs, Spurs are financially healthy in general. They would still be able to field a very strong team. Chances are they‘d have excellent chances to get promoted right away - if they don’t fuck up the unavoidable squad changes, that is. They’re currently plagued with injuries, but they also seem hilariously incompetent and not fully prepared for their situation. So it’s hard to sayThey‘d definitely lose a lot of financial leverage. Sponsors would leave, merchandise and other sales factors would decrease. Even in case of promotion, they‘d probably lose access to the „big boy club“ for years to come. But there’s so much money in the PL that I think the most likely outcome is they return to the PL right away and are at least a midtable club within two years or so
>>154392698No guarantee of that. Leicester City won the title ten years ago and will be playing in the third tier next season.
>>154392524American private equity will 100% come in and buy the club at a cheaper price, then the club will be relegated to League One.
I honestly don't consider them to be much bigger than West Ham.Spurs are only a big club in the minds of their fans.
would be kino
>>154393033Yeah bro they are exactly the same size as West Ham, totally no major difference here
>>154393166not that anon but the difference in commercial income comes from a much larger foreign fanbase who are unlikely to stick around with any loyalty when they're relegatedbut also from their stadium which is good news for them because their income from that will hardly be touched aside from having 4 extra home games next season (but none in europe)
>>154393166>5 year old irrelevant financial data*checks flag*ah yes
>>154392524>THINK IT DREAM IT DO IT
>NFL playing their London games in a 2nd tier stadiumRoger, do something.
>>154392524NothingTheir fans don't even care, should be wall-to-wall protesting but there's fuck all Get em flushed
>>154392524It could become a bigger problem for Spurs if there is any truth to the idea that the retractable pitch is causing their injury crisis. But even if it isn't true, if players get spooked by just the idea it might make it even harder to attract players if they go down to the Championship.
>>154401545The theory is that the issue isn't directly the retractable part (some say it's due to running on the tracks - it's not) but the fact that the ground is so compacted as a result of the retractable pitch. It's not as springy so when you're running a marathon on it every other week you're inflicting too much stress on your body.
>>154402160It's compacted and doesn't have much bounce because the soil isn't deep enough, the field is too thin. If this blows up they're fucked, combine this with the possibility of relegation they'll have a tougher time attracting players of any worth. It's gonna get real interesting.
Who are the Tottenham fans exactly?I work for an English firm and EVERYONE there make fun of them (even before this year), no matter who their team is, but no one there actually supports them.
>>154392524Arsenal fans would love it but they'd be straight back up following season
>>154402261I'd love to be able to point to a bunch of their fans protesting against the plight of their club in the past 2 months but this has not happened In fact The 30 or so Spurs fans who DO protest were given death threats and told to shut up and back their dreadful team
Wow we nearly went 20 whole posts talking about Spurs before Arsenal were mentioned!
>>154392867leicester are a unique basket case. the first time they went down, they came straight back up. their problem is a complete financial, managerial, and transfer disasterclass. they have a 800k wage bill and over 10% of that is on harry winks alone. it's an absolutely abysmal squad compositionnow, you could argue spurs have the same problems, especially getting an extremely low return for money spent. but i think a relegation and pruning the cans wouldn't be immediately detrimental. spurs would still have players that are more than good enough to go straight back upi guess the question is where would spurs be in 3+ seasons from now. the looming relegation is entirely self inflicted from decision paralysis as they kept frank for too long and they hired tudor for some reason and then kept him for too long too. assuming they don't fuck up and go back to a managerial rollercoaster, i reckon they will end up being relatively fine in a few years
>>154402261An ex-GF's dad was one. That was it, though.I think part of the problem for them is they've never had much of a defined identity apart from Yid Army and "attractive football", but it's been a LONG time since they could lay much claim to that, and I don't get the feeling that they managed to reall get much advantage from the "footy hipster" boom because of that lack of identity, Ginola's luscious locks notwithstanding. If you wanted a London team, West Ham and Chelsea both had that slightly more 'orfentik lower class' history (and the latter, of course, was picking up trophies for the glory hunters), Arsenal were hugely successful and actually WERE playing attractive football with Wenger, Fulham, Palace and QPR were "I know this band you've never heard of" or Millwall let you larp as a hoolie. Spurs don't have a market niche/shorthand that isn't "finish mid-table and seethe at the Gooners".
>>154402275>this bedroom dweller constantly going on and on and on about Spurs fans not protestingFast becoming the dullest gimmick on this board
>>154402261North Londoners that aren’t Arsenal fans and think they’re middle class
>>154402360They had some amazing players since I've been following them. Prime Bale, Kane, Son, Dembele. And under Ange they were amazing until the Chelsea game after which the wheels fell off. Since then, injuries have devastated the squad and they weren't willing to play more pragmatically until Frank, but under him it somehow got worse.
>>154402385They can end it now by protestingYou should end it as well. But in a more total way
>>154402460> Amazing player> Mousa Dembele
>>154402261I've said this before but it's two things:1. Arsenal were the top team in the country (sharing with Man United) in the late 90s and early 00s, so a lot of kids bandwaggoned them. My theory is that their friends saw this and thought "I hate them!!! so I'll start supporting Spurs, Arsenal's sworn rivals!!" it was just contrarianism, and if Arsenal are big why wouldn't their main rivals be too etc2. Spurs made sure that their club merch can be found at any sporting goods shop anywhere in the UK, which helped reinforce the idea that they're a proper big clubThe reality in both cases is that they just aren't that big.
>>154392524>What happens if Tottenham are relegated?they go to the Championship, deservedly.we are not America, Premier is not some European Super League. Promotion is there to ensure any club can climb into the Premier on merit, and relegation is there to ensure that shit clubs end up where they belong.
>>154402462>They can end it now by protestingYou're absolutely obsessed with the thought protesting will do anything to change things at PL clubsLook at those recent Chelsea protests, they achieved nothing - BlueCo are still in charge>You should end it as well. But in a more total way/sp/ would be a much better place if you practised what you preachBut you'll never leave your bedroom to even try that
No-one even wants their shit, crocked players lmfaoooo
>>154402583Bergvall, Gray, Vušković, van de Ven and Kudus would all get decent offers.
It's the Kolo Muani curse.Maybe now you'll start listening.
>>154402494He was kino, though. Him keeping the ball and moving through midfield was just really nice to watch
>>154402598Bergvall is just a looks merchant, he's useless
>>154402633But he is young enough and just talented enough for some manager to think they could unlock him.
>>154402261Mostly foreign people
>>154392524despair, dread, die
>>154393348>>154393324>wet spam copeYou will never be a big club even with the rip off deal you get for >>your stadium.
>>154402261ignore the cope answersThere is a large about in North London, Essex and Hertfordshire, plus a broad smattering around the rest of the south-east.
>>154402822And none of them slime their way outside to protest ENIC
Spurs can be summed up by their January window. Several key players out so they break their wage structure to sign the even-then-useless Conor Gallagher. He has consistently been their worst player since.
>>154402861This season yes. I sincerely believe Levy wouldn't have let things get to this point if he were still in charge.
>>154402261Their support is concentrated in North London, and - like West Ham - they benefit from the bias towards capital clubs and the city's large population. They have nowhere near the same support around England as, say, Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool.They've always been known as a cup team who try to play passing football, so you can think of them as a glorified West Ham. In their entire history, they've won two league titles, which is less than Blackburn Rovers, Huddersfield and Sheffield Wednesday.
>>154402861>Conor Gallagherloooooool
>>154402633Ah so Benfica or Sporting will get him
I know I am being unfair to them, Spurs are an old and established club with lots of tradition. And they have some trophies at least, their European tropyh cabinet is pretty impressive - even though they have no CL, of course. But all of this "OMG, look at Spurs in trouble: this would be a huge event, such a massive club!" feels extremely fake and forced to me. I acknowledge they played great football a few years ago, many interesting players in that squad. But I cannot and will not see them as this "huge club" with global reach they're made out to be. They are a big business, but not a truly big club. To me, at least
It does feel really weird seeing them in their current state when they've been around for so long. Leicester going all the way down to the 3rd division feels more believable than Spuds being relegated because they've always been a Prem side for as long as I can remember. Plus I think back to their glorious CL run in 2018-19 and it feels strange realizing that it's already been 7 years since that season. That side had a lot of heart.
>>154402805Never said they were, get over yourself.
>>154404351They've been relegated 4 times previously, it shouldn't be that impossible to believe.
>>154402264Tell it to title-winning team Leicester City.
>>154404351>glorious CL run in 2018-19Not going to look this up to make sure but surely it was Liverpool that had the glorious CL run that season, not Spurs?
>>154392524Surely based on the parachute payments + the revenue that a 63k stadium could make Spurs will still keep the same old players. I mean there are more games in the Championship + will probably steamroll the competition. The board should be lucky that they are relegated AFTER the World Cup cycle not before it.We could also say the same thing with West Ham too they are in a 55k stadium. Revenue wise they make a lot of money its just hard to keep spending money to rent a stadium they don't own
>>154405185Spurs are/were one of the six never to have been relegated in Premier era tho (also Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton, Liverpool, Manchester United). But yeah, relegation is generally recoverable. Man City were a third tier side in 1988/89. Other sides, Blackburn won it in 94/95, relegated in 2011/12, never been back since. Leicester might be gone awhile now as well.
>>154405549West Ham rent that for (relative) buttons. It's just - unargued - a shit stadium for football tho.
>>154405549Their best players are not going to want to hang around getting run into the ground playing more games, getting kicked to bits by dogshit Championship-quality oppostion. seeing their international standing diminished and picking up injuries on their rock-hard pitch.
>either one of the tenants of toilet seat stadium or olympic stadium becoming a nooooooooooo member of the championship
>>154405549They got £164m in broadcast income last season. If they go down its about £10m + £44m in parachute payments, so a £110m shortfall overnight.Also the allowed losses are £39m over 3 seasons as opposed to £105m over 3 seasons in the prem.
>>154402261They’re concentrated in north London and the Home Counties. Distant second after Arsenal for most supported club in London. I encounter chelsea and West Ham fans fans less often. The others like Fulham etc. are invisible. Chelsea probably have more fans outside London though due to attracting plastics during the Abramovich years but that’s a guess as I’m only familiar with London and surrounding areas
>>154402944As a spurs fan I can confirm this. The Lewis family getting rid of Levy then having no clue how to run a club is what has relegated us. Taking so long to sack Frank and that January window are unforgivable
>>154405185They’ve spent 1 season outside the top division since the 1940s so saying they’ve been relegated 4 times without context on how ancient most of those relegations are is pretty disingenuous as it’s exactly why it’s such an anomaly
>>154405568>Man City were a third tier side in 1988/8998/99 too
Most teams that get relegated don't have ~£200m in commercial income to fall back on, they'll be fine. There'll be a fire sale of players who think they are too good for the Championship followed by buying a load of players who genuinely are too good for the Championship but would normally be beneath Spurs notice.
>>154408005Tottenham are terrible at scouting, they'll sign more ngubu frauds and then become a championship midtable team
>>154407961The only season they've ever spent in the third tier
>>154407961>>154408078yeah, that should have said 1998–99 originally, my fuckup.
>>154406941West Ham have much tougher fixtures, that's why I think they're going down. I think Spurs will scrape 1-0 wins against Leeds and Everton at home, and stay up by a point.
>>154408165Is it really much tougher?As an outsider, I would have said>Villa for Spurs, Brentford for West HamSeems like Spurs have it harder>Leeds for Spurs, Arsenal for West HamArsenal are obviously much stronger normally, but they're mentally shaky and have been struggling for weeks now. I don't want to write off West Ham here at all, even though Arsenal are the favorites. Leeds on the other hand seem like an unpleasant opponent right now, or at the very least pretty hard to defeat>Chelsea for Spurs, Newcastle for West HamBoth are absolutely shit right now, both should be much better. I have a hard time figuring out who is supposedly weaker, but both are definitely beatable>Leeds for West Ham, Everton for SpursAs already said, I think Leeds are hard to defeat. Everton are better in total, but their recent form does not make a better impression. Maybe they'll recover a bit in time for the final matchday. I don't think either opponent is much tougher than the other right nowSpurs basically need one more win than West Ham. I don't find that easy in the slightest. They barely beat Wolves and have a ton of injuries. They really need to step up. West Ham have been looking somewhat solid, albeit within their limited possibilities, in recent weeks already
>>154404351Leicester have only spent one season outside of the top two tiers in their history, in the 2008/09 season
>>154392524Hard to say what will happen. Maybe the owners will wake the fuck up and invest into the football side of things. Maybe they'll just give up and sell the club on the cheap. These fuckfaces have spent the last decade focused soley on maximising the value of the club in the eyes of other retarded nepo baby owners. The result being them selling on a loss would be the perfect punishment. Either way the club would never be the same in my lifetime at least. >le big 6 marketing would be gone forever. >>154393033yeah 4x the historical honours, and an unquantifiable gap in fanbase and finance but they:re the same.
what if chelsea and spurs merged to become one big mega clubsurely they would be good enough to finish top 15 or so (at worst top 17) and be safe from relegation
>>154410432>chelsea and spursArsenal would be nearer (to Spurs) plus Emirates stadium is a shit bowl, so they'd be happy, I'm sure.Chelsea and Fulham are basically next to each other but neither has a huge stadium, so, not much point in them merging.
>>154410867The Emirates was outdated when it was built
>>154392524>What would the effect be on the Premier League if this happens?no effect on the wider premier league. a few less All-London Super Sundays on Sky tv. tourists buying ticket packages will go to arsenal or chelsea. spurs relegation is irrelevant to the global premier league audience. i think spurs are staying up on goal difference or by a point, last day of the season drama. west ham have harder games.
>>154413809Spurs have so many injuries though and West Ham are almost full strength.
>>154402261jews
>>154413809agree with all pointsoutside of south korea who tf even supports spurs?they're a small time north london club
Tottenham are roughly as big as Everton and Aston Villa. They're an established Premier League team who sometimes look like they might get relegated (remember Juande Ramos?) but who are also one of the few who can achieve the most based thing in English football: qualifying for the Champions League out of nowhere, doing well in it, and then disappearing into irrelevance again. They've done this a few times now, and it's always so much more soulful than the same teams qualifying every season.
weren't they really bad the year before? and only bailed out because the bottom 3 were historically bad last season? them, wolves, and united all had point totals that could have gotten them relegated in most other seasons.
