Approaching the World Cup, a Secession War is currently occuring between the Belgium FA and their Congolese descent players.In less than a year, 5 players under 21 with the youngest being 18 defected from Belgium to play for doctor congo with some already played at the 2025 AFCON in January and World Cup Playoffs in March:>Noah Sadiki (21), CM at Sunderlandwho then proceed to groom:>Ngal'yael Mukau (21), DM at LOSC>Mathieu Epolo (21), GK at Standard de Liège>Mario Stroyekens (21), CM at Anderlecht>Jorthy Mokio (18), CB/DM at Ajaxall being key players of their respective clubs. And rumors has many other belgian binational players heading to this decision (Lavia from Chelsea, Mbangula from Werder Bremen etc...)My question is:Does /sp/ support binational players who decide to play for the country they're ethnically from, OR they should represent the country they were born at become the Footballer they are today?https://poal.me/8mtndw
>Chelsea paid 60m for Lavia because Liverpool wanted to buy him at 40m>Hasn't played a full 90 in 3 years>Hasn't played for BelgiumKWAB
Cut their hands immediately
Players should only represent a nation in of which they are citizens.
Non-ethnic "Finns" aren't Finns and I don't want them in my country and I don't want them representing my country. I don't give a shit whether they're white or black or whether they were born here or not, they all should be deported or killed immediately.
>>154606412This is on lelgium for being a fake country
>>154606412Since when has this not been a thing >we (along with Scotland, Wales and Ireland) were the early progenitors of the concept. Why is it any different when Dr. Congo does it to Belgium or Algeria does it to France?
>>154606689Pretty strong words from a country that's the same age as the FA Cup
>>154606689The big question for me is, what about players whose parents or grandparents migrated from countries that don't exist any more? If your ancestors left Dakar for France in 1955, then they weren't from Senegal and neither are you because Senegal didn't exist until 1960. You should be playing for France because your parents technically left French West Africa.
>>154606548>be shit country>give 11 Brazilians passports>still be shit country but now your team sometimes nutmegs peopleYour move FIFAgs
>>154607386Indonesia is currently calling up players who had an ethnically Dutch grandparent who was born in what was then the Dutch East Indies
>>154606548Players should only represent a nation if a jury of chuds decide that they should be allowed. And yes I am being 100% serious
>>154606517kek
>>154607386unless the player's family has been living in the country for at least 15 generations he should not be allowed to play in the national team but that's just my opinion
>>154609134But you're from the Democratic Republic of Conger too
i'd prefer them to suit up for belgium FC but it's up to their own preference really, some of these belgian dual national lads have always "felt" and presented themselves as belgian citizens but other guys have always opted for their parents nation. fine by me really only thing i dont really like is opportunistic nationality switching where some guy just turns out for a nation because he played in that league a couple years so they can go to the world cup or have better chances of winning when it feels more like a club transfer than a moral choice
>>154609182South Sudan was founded in 2011. Zero of their adult players will have been born in South Sudan. Would you not let them have a team at all?
>>154609338Mokio?I agree but then again for his case it's a slippery slope.Parents and agent forced him to say Yes to Belgium when it was still 17 and 9 months so still technically still a minor.Then he literally cut off with his Parents who wanted him to sign for a fat contract in Belgium with Gent that was ready to throw him a bag, to play one more year in youth categories with Ajax and became pro with Ajax. Now he no longer even discuss with his parents anymore. As for Belgium. His agent 100% Blackmailed him to stay with Belgium because the market value of an European player is on average far greater than an African one, so he get bigger and better contract and money off Mokio.And there's a video interview of him all the way back in 2024 where he says jokingly in dutch when asked whether Belgium or Congo, he said "Belgium for now but might switch", and he also was at the Continental playoffs DR Congo fanzone cheering for them. He was already no longer Belgian mentallySo it was inevitable, he just needed to see if there are good players of his age, so he can fit in.Still fucked up to wear the senior Belgian jersey, even for one game, and then switch. But if you keep in mind the context, it's 100% understandable to see his switch coming.See it as a good opportunity to focus and develop on your young ethnic Belgians (that aren't Dutch, German or French) who'll never have any ambiguity with other nations cause they only have Belgium. There's still a very good bunch around 18-21 like De Cat
>>154609988I didnt really have sudanese in mind, I was thinking about blacks and arabs in a country like yours. a sudanese is still a sudanese whether he's in south sudan or the other sudan but a sudanese playing for england 20 years after his family crossed the english channel is just comical, or even more comical is a sudanese being gifted citizenship to play for a country like qatar or china which he's never set foot in before. this is just not right and makes international football look like a joke
>>154606412I think the co golese doing tht i a good thingIt democrarizes football
>>154606412They look like africans so it makes sense they play for an african team
It’s the same with Morroco, maybe even worse. These fuckers never turn out well anyway. Only one that pissed me off was that Karetsas guy choosing for Greece over Belgium In all honesty I think it’s ungrateful behaviour. Most of these people don’t even speak the language of the other country
>Chuds: GET ALL NIGGERS OUT OF MY COUNTRY>Also chuds: NOOOO NOT THOSE HECKING NIGGERINOS I NEED THEM TO SCORE GOALS
>>154611826really makes one think
>raise and nurture a kid for 18 years>he leaves to play for another nation
>>154606412Generally, I would like for national teams to field players of the ethnicity of that nation. But if a player of a different ethnicity is developed in that country, I dislike them playing for a different nation - even if it’s the one their family hails from. So if you’re a ethnically Congolese (Lingala, Kongo, Luba, whatever) guy who was born and raised in Belgium, you should either play for Belgium or for no national team at all. Ideally, we‘d live in a world they still wouldn’t be a big factor and Belgium would field only Walloons, Flemings, or Ripuarians
>>154608982In recent WCs there were very few sudaca mercs on non-sudaca teams. Even Spain, Italy and Portugal don't want them anymore. French-born players are everywhere now.>>154610075Lolno, after he turned 18 and told his parents he'll extend his Ajax contract he kept playing for Belgium. When Garcia told him he won't be going to WC26 with Belgium he immediately announces his intention to switch. In Belgium he faces too much competition (De Cat isn't a DM and he only got to make his debut in a March friendly thanks to the FA promoting players from clubs in the country; most other FAs also give increased chances to ones that play in their own countries). Mokio is just at the start of his career and often on the bench for a crap Ajax, might miss out on Europe entirely next season and were dire in all comps this season. His case to demand a spot on Belgium's shortlist was weak. In Congo he would be a starter. Because he's a Belgian full international after being capped in the NL he just has to run down the clock, 3 years. I hope the kid succeeds with the DRC.>>154611627Have Belgium ever produced a good Moroccan?>>154611337Afcon is getting closer to being purely played by players born in Europe. Well over half the starters last Afcon were foreign-born. Nice to have a dog in that fight. France XYZ v Belgium 7.sexies.>>154616442Belgium's player pool is miniscule because ageing pop. and few kids joining football clubs in recent times. The majority of the ones wanting to go pro have migrant roots. Parents usually look down on football. Even Kompany's mom wanted him to focus on academics and his fav teacher tried pushing him to uni.
>>154606672what about the Lapps?
>>154608982You just described the Qatari NT
>>154606412FUCK YEAH. I hope "French" and "English" players start doing this too
>>154606412Black = african White = euro/USThis is the real/4ch stance
>>154619241>Afcon is getting closer to being purely played by players born in Europedo they look european?
I think it's only fair for players play play for countries they were trained and educated in, unless their native country is a poor shithole with bad or non-existent academies .
>>154606412it should be like Holland rules and when a player gets foreign citizenship to play for the other country they lose Belgium citizenship.
>>154606412Do you guys think they think belgium is too "choker"???
>>154606412It’s up to the associations to have their own eligibility rules and up to the players to decide which nation they want to represent
why did we get so much shit for making a song about this? the only offensive part was calling mbappe puto
>>154606412Black people should play for African teams, white and white adjacent people should play for European teams.
>>154627346What country would us mutts play for then?
I think them taking spots in Africa is even more fucked than playing for the european countries they were born in, imagine being completely represented by actual foreigners taking up all the spots
>>154627498I'll tell you that, nobody, and i mean NOBODY in Africa thinks like this. One of my best friends irl one day told me, when we were debating about identity and appartenance to a country, where your loyalty lies, i don't remember the exact term, but there's a whole trope in Africa "the lost child" thing or whatever, that basically goes like, everytime an african kid is confirmed of belonging to said tribe (read these undertones today as, someone is of X african country descent), no matter where he was born or where does he live, he will always be welcomed with open arms to the motherland. they'd rather get their own that just came back for one day, than a stranger to the tribe that was born in their and did all his life there. They wouldn't reject the foreigner, but they would 100% prefer the ethnically native one who just arrived.
>>154627498>>154627940Goes to show how strong the concept of ethnicity is. Rightfully so. Only the ethnic groups of Europe think they are beyond that and that everyone is the same and can integrate anywhereThe African nations would be much worse without their diaspora. But it's still an ethnically sound and representative team
>>154628049there's still some counter examples about identity vs nationality though:New Zealand is the perfect example. While British settlers in Australia basically waged war and terrorized the locals Abos, New Zealanders did the polar opposite and fully integrated, assimilated, exchanged their technlogy with the locals for their culture to claim as theirs as well, and i guarantee that the descents of Maoris and Whites in walk hand to hand together. A white man or white woman doing a Haka or ritual maori stuff in NZ is not bizarre at all, and we see it everyday, in sports, wedding, funerals etc...South Africa has a much rougher history, but it's overall towards the path of NZ were the new generations of Afrikaneers and native are walking together as well.Then you got countries like Mozambique & Namibia with a huge percentage of whites for immigration standards in Africa and... yeah, some feel belonging of that country, others not.It really depends of the person really, and how his parents/household educated him/her.Oh and speaking of Namibia, let's not adress the elephant in the room:
>>154628251I dont think meme sports count though, is Rugby significantly popular for the average Namibian?Like the cricket team in the US is all indians and I know the argie team is all anglodescendants because someone posted that recently, etc. but that tends to be mostly because an otherwise unpopular sport is played by a specific ethnicity that happens to live in the country, while that is not the case with football.
>>154606412As usual it depends so I agree with players being given freedom of choice Look at the Boateng brothers, one played for Germany one for Ghana, I don't see anything wrong with that
>>154628389You know that Namibia is better at Rugby than they are in Football, right? That's their main sport. They have 0 (ZERO) World Cups apparations, and only 4 (FOUR) AFCONs, emphasis on 4 because THAT COMPETITION IS PLAYED EVERY 2 YEARS.Meanwhile it's one of the best in Africa in Rugby.That's how sorry they are at Football. It's a Rugby nation and everything else is cope.
bit of a trend last two years for brownies choosing the country of their parents over their host country>there's even more than mentioned in OP's postthis is a positive evolution
>>154626305>the only offensive part was calling mbappe putoThere it is, Fifasissies get really triggered by the 'puto' word for some reason>>154627449United States
>Haaland>Musiala>Olise>a gorillion othersEngland seem to lose out on the big names. For France, Belgium and the Netherlands it's basically all players that weren't getting called up and tried their luck elsewhere in order to pad their international careers. Despite Spain's colonial history and being flooded by migrants not that many Spanish-born players on other teams than Spain, a few on Morocco. Spain more likely to naturalize foreigners to plug the holes in the team. Italy and Portugal are similar. Germany used to produce players for Turkey. Not sure if Turkey still have many German-born players. Germany has by far the largest migrant population, so quite odd how few switch to other NTs.
>>154631321>Not sure if Turkey still have many German-born playersCan Uzun, Kenan Yildiz, Salih Özcan, Atakan Karazor, Kaan Ayhan, Ahmed Kutucu, Hakan Calhanoglu is still there. And a few other guys like Berkay Yilmaz and Livan Burcu (among others) who currently play U21>Germany has by far the largest migrant populationIn Europe? Do we actually have more migrants than France? I would have said no, but then again, I am not sure. If anything, it's because our population still is significantly largerTons of players here decide against representing Germany. Africans are pretty loyal, but Turks and Balkaners often change allegiance after already having represented Germany at youth level. Croatians come to mind, one of Bayern's top defender talents just chose Croatia over Germany despite having been born and raised here. As did Josip StanisicBut yes, we aren't as much of a factory as France, for exampleOn a different note, Haaland playing for England is a ridiculous pipe dream, surely. He's the son of Norwegian international who was working in England at the timeMusiala ... typical mutt, I'd say. German-Polish mother, Nigerian father, born in Germany, moved to England at 7, came back at 16. Fits kind of nowhere, but I guess Germany is arguably a better fit than England despite England having developed him a lotOlise definitely could have been an England player to me since he was born in England and grew up there
>>154631505In Europe? Do we actually have more migrants than France?Yep, should have added in Europe. And yes Germany have the most migrants by quite some distance. Then it's France, UK, Spain and Italy. Getting trustworthy numbers on migrants is hard and often it's just born abroad or at best also includes those with foreign-born parents.
>>154631824Born in other countries, I can see us being first. But I would have expected the French Algerian and African population to balance things out. I only remember seeing some videos listing nationalities, France had much higher numbers there. But then again, maybe they were bullshitI just heard France has 7,000,000 ethnic Algerians, 1,500,000 Moroccans, and like 5,000,000 blacks. Most of which were born in France. Our 4,000,000 Turks (including Kurds) cannot compare in that regard, for exampleBut then again, what does it matter? We're all fucked anyway
Thats the most based thing I've heard all week.I hope the french players follow along with this.
>>154606517Take it easy there, King Leopold!
>>154631321did Haaland ever wanted to play for England anyway? Bryne FK trained him, did all his life in Norway
>>154628400this
